"holy" bible is the best book of porn that have ever written in the human history. fuck christians and jews. they rape their daughters and mothers. we often see on? news that son rapes his mother and father rapes his daughters in US. (/watch?v=Wh6MD-y9GGc&feature=related) (/watch?v=oC_nSeIzdiw&feature=related)
There is one thing that people seem to forget. The Quran emerged 1400 years ago. That's 600 years after the bible and more than 1000 years after the law of Moses. The Bible is irrelevant, I agree with you, people were really retarded 2,000 years ago. 1400 years ago, now that's a completely different story. It does look like the Quran was made to "upgrade" the existing religions because it emerged 600 years after everything else. That's 15 generations to study the Bible and find its flaws...
Without 'Mahr', Nikah CONTRACT, (Marriage is a Christian word) cannot go ahead, Mahr' IS PAYMENT FOR THE WOMAN FOR USING HER BODY FOR SEX, is this marriage?
After Husband has had sex with her, Mahr' becomes payment for that. Sahih Muslim 9:3557/A.Dawud 11:2078
The Prophet said: 'If anyone gives as a dower to his wife two handfuls of flour OR dates he has made her lawful for him for sex.'Abu Dawud 11:2105 THIS IS PROSTITUTION - not marriage
20=And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life..
By Jesus rising from the grave, it assures him his his partaking of the divinity he now share sthe nature of God, being born of the Father's Spirit, he can died no more.Romans 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;) even Jesus Christ our Lord
book of job is the oldest book in bible so more reliable. so if it says sumat its more reiable and hence less altered well done book of job. also john 10;30 jesus never said my father and i AND the holy ghost are one. you say he said my father and i are one. if you read on it also says the disciples are one in him and ect so xtians should in that case worship 12discples and trinity so they shud worship 15gods not three
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Philippi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Rom10-13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
BOOK OF JOB SAYS THAT COMPARED TO GOD HUMANS ARE LIKE MAGGOTS, AND JESUS IS LIKE A WORM. JESUS RAN TO BUSHES TO GO TOILET LIKE ANY HUMAN. YOU DARE SAY GOD DID THAT TOO.... ALL ATOMS IN UNIVERSE FOR 14BILLIUONS YEARS THERE MOVEMENT AND FORM CHANGING , THEN ALL OTHER UNIVERSES YOU THINK JESUS COULD CONTROL ALL THAT IN PLANCK TIME SPEED. CAN HE LIFT A NEUTRON STAR, JUMP ON A PULSAR, WITHSTAND A GRB BURST., EAT A BLACKHIOLE ECT ECT. ALL PROPHETS SAID GOD IS ONE ...
@mrlogicalman1 1.Mauhammad ke bete ki biwi ka naam zanib tha jise ki muhammad bhi khoob pasand kaarta tha,baad mein muhammad ne apne bete se oska divorce karwa oos se khud hi shadi karli. muslim history ke mutabik zanib ka poora naam zanib bint jahsh tho. Brother agar aap muhammad aur ooski biwion ke baare poori tareh januna chahte hain tou ye video dekh ooski poori histiry parhen - LIST OF WIVES OF PROPHIT MUHAMMAD.
@mrlogicalman1 Muslim history ke mukabik zainab bint jahsh mauhammad ke bete ki biwi thi jo ki mauhammad ko bhi khoob pasand thi.Baad mein mauhammad ne oska apne bete se divorce karwa khud oos se shaadi kar oose apni 5th biwi banaya, zainab ka hi poora naam zainab bint jahsh hai.
Shit Your mashallah, Inshahllah or Allah Koye 6 Baar Jung Kay kiya Tere socalled Allha
◘ He had sex with a nine year old girl, while he was over fifty years old.
{Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated Aisha: that the prophet married her when she was six years old, and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years}.
THEN XTIANS SAY GOD WILL SEND ALL MEANING ALL EVN PROPHETS AND BABIES TO HELL COS ADAM ATE A FRUIT. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT MINOR SIN DID WE? YET XTIANS SAY RAPISTS,KILLERS, BABY TORTURERS. ECT GO TO HEAVEN JUST FOR BEING XTIAN. EVN PPL THAT HAVE NEVER HEARD OF GOD OR HIS PROPHETS. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL? wot of all ppl born b4 jesus, they go hell too? IF XTIANS WER TRUE THEN JESUS WUD HAVE COME AT TIME OF ADAM SO THEN NO1 CUD SAY WE DINT KNOW ABOUT JESUS RIGHT [ I AWESOME ]
LOOK IF YOUR KID IS RAPED AND KILLED , YOU GO TO GOD AND ASK FOR JUSTICE. GOD WILL SAY SORRY , I HAVE TO SEND THE GUILTY TO HEAVEN COS HES A CHRISTIAN, AND SOME INNOCENT GUY HAS BEEN PUNISHED INSTEAD. NO COURT IN THE WORLD WUD LET GUILTY GO AND PUNISH AN INNOCENT MAN INSTEAD. . YET THEY SAY GOD DOES DO THAT EVN THO WE HUMANS DONT. SO THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE MORE KIND AND JUST THAN GOD. SEE HOW XTIANS DONT PRACTISE WOT THEY PREACH COS THEY KNOW HOW STUPID IT IS TO PUNISH INNOCNT PERSON
once again in my newspaper a christian religious leader arrested for raping women and innocent children , for 30 years. the satan was with him, not the unholy ghost. why do xtians do all filth imaginable, like rape, alcohol till they puke or drive and kill , make por movies, screw a stripper all at the party evn the bride to be. pig meat, cos they say some one else paid for it. exactly how can he still pay for it hasnt his sacrifice outstripped the sins by now.
GOOGLE 10CHRIST LIKE FIGURES , AND CHRISTIANITY ORIGINS COUNCIL OF NICEA 325AD, SEE STORIES LIKE MITHRAS AND DIONYSIS, WHO WAS BORN ON 25DECEMBER, FROM VIRGIN , CRUCIFIED, WENT TO HELL CAME BACK, CALLED KING OF KINGS, GOD OF WINE, KILLED A FIG TREE ECT THEY JUST STOLE ALL GREEK MYTHS TO PUT IN BIBLE. THEN THEY REALISED NEW TESTMNT IS JUST SAME STORY COPIED 4TIMES, AND ONLY ABOUT JESUS SO THEY STOLE JEWS OLD TESTMNT THAT TALKS ABOUT CREATION AND OTHER PROPHETS . EVN BIBLE IS A MADE UP NAME
It's clear this man doe's not want to accept the salvation of Our Lord Jesus Christ, oh well his loss. The bad thing is that he deceives so many people.
9=Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 20:28-29, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
@Andytheantiathiest , sorry this no offense. My question is just for learning. I'm sincere. Please teach me. My question is, why do Christians worship Jesus? Why don't they worship GodFather? And why don't they worship Holy Spirit? I appreciate your positive answer because I want to learn
No, Jesus never said the exact three words, "I am God". But Jesus also never said the exact four words, "I am a prophet" or the exact four words "I am a man," but we know he was both a prophet and a man. It is not necessary for Jesus to say the exact phrase "I am a man" for us to know that he was a man. Likewise, it is not necessary for Jesus to utter the exact three words "I am God" in order for us to determine whether or not he is divine.
@Andytheantiathiest jesus referred to himself in 14 places in the bible for example Mark 13:26 and 14:62
And let me ask you if he being god is so important (it's the basis of christianity along with the concept of original sin) why didn't he say it and instead called himself son of man, prayed to god and said all these other things you heard in the video...he also didn't know when the judgment day will happen....all the prophets (including jesus pbuh) did one thing..they worshipped the one God
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. all of their foundational beliefs, holy practises & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either 'ANCIENT EGYPTOLOGY', Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions (like ZOROASTRIANISM)
IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises existed 1000's of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
smh youve been worshipping da blazing SUN & PAGAN GODS all these yrs
did dr zakir think jesus would dance and sing around saying he is god he is this and that? No Jesus clearly states who he is in the bible but i guess dr zakir missed John 8:58 and my favorite John 14:6 ow and Rev.1:7,8 but its easy to miss these things Jesus does not say he is God directly but indirectly
THE GOSPEL OF BARNABUS PROVES ALL CRAP IN THE NEW TESTI-CLE IS FALSE AND JESUS IS NOT A GOD. IT SAYS ALOT MORE TOO WRITTEN BY A CHRISTIAN FROM GOD EXPLAIN THAT THEN RETARDS
BIBLE SAYS GOD HAS MUMS CUT OPEN TO KILL THER UNBORN, HAS COUNTLESS BABIES AND ANIMALS SMASHED ON ROCKS. HAS MOSES WIPE OUT CITIES EVN ANIMALS ONLY VIRGINS KEPT 4 THE MEN EVN GOD GETS A SHARE. SAYS GOD WILL SHAVE BILLIONS OF PPL LEGS WITH A RAZOR. PROPHETS DOING INCEST. ANGELS SINNING . EVN SAYS JESUS GREAT GRANDPARENTS WERE FROM INCEST. SAYS KILL EVN UR KIDS IF THEY LEAVE CHURCH. BLACKS KILLED FOR BEING BLACK. ECT ECT THIS FILTH IS EXACTLY WHAT SATAN SAYS. BIBLE EVN SAYS DONT PRAY TO GOD......
dude god knw about humen beings how to treate and how to teach ,,,, he is full of power so he can tak birth on earth ,,,, ya jesus said tht he is son of god . he took birth wit power of god iam a hindu but still i belibe that jesus is son of god
John 10:25 - - - Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
Please search the web for incorrupt bodies and let me know if there is an instance of any Muslim's body. Can you tell me why it is so? If you say Islam is the truth, can you prove it through your experience of any miracle or supernatural event or healing in the life of a human being? If the Christians are doing wrong then why is God helping us? Remember Satan cannot do good .. Only God Can... Prove me wrong if you can.... I am sure you cannot...
Mathew 12:31-32 "And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come". Can anyone tell me why the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven?
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. etc.
if youn are disputing the words of Dr. zakir Naik then watch peace tv and see how respected pastors,bishops and monks find it difficult to argue against dr naik
To understand Bible you must have the Holy Spirit.Yes Jesus is God, but He is also man.He spoke as both 'Man' & 'God'. When He was born, God became a man.That's why the angels came down.That's why the wise men worshipped Him. John 1:10 says,"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not". In Jn.14:9 Jesus said,"..he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.." & in Rev 1:8 He says,"..I am The Almighty". In Heaven He sits on the Throne and is worshipped, Rev.4:7-11.
@kfc667 actually if you google 10christ like figures myths like dionysis and mithras you will see all jesus details. from the same greeks that started xtianty. he was born 25dec from virgin crucified went to hell came back. killed a fig tree . called king of kings ect ect
@kfc667 Aren't you bashing your own religion given that one of your tenants or duties is to acknowledge Jesus as one of Allah's prophets? I'm not Christian but I'm thinking of converting to Islam...
@chiriviscospower lol i aint religious...religion stems from UNEDUCATED PRIMITIVE TRIBES
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. ALL OF THEIR foundational BELIEFS, holy PRACTICES & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either ancient Egyptology, Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions. IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises EXISTED 1000s of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
@kfc667 That Book was not invented by Mr. Constantine but by God who used men like Moses, Isaiah, John & Paul who were born long before Mr.Constantine. I have seen miracles in Jesus name & no other. Every day of the week has pagan origin not only Sunday. Dec 25 was a pagan festival but not again thanks to Jesus' virgin birth. That's why the sun god religion is HISTORY. Trying to discredit the Bible & Jesus is satanic.
@Taurion4467 "show your evidence for your claim plz"
wtf? go in a library or use the internet & find out for yourself
ive personally studied these religions for the past 2yrs (by myself), analyzing bias & non-bias claims/opinions/facts, etc and i have come to a conclusion:
all religions are bullshit, religion is man made, mainly to control people (or a society)
these religions were 1st tribal, with tribal beliefs & practises...worshipping the sun, the stars, volcanoes, people, etc
@kfc667 The bible is about Jesus. It is a rescue manual for sinners and shows that sinners are incapable of saving themselves through religion and atheism
@Thechristiancullen the bible is about all of the prophets & their stories/laws of religion
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. all of their foundational beliefs, holy practises & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either ancient Egyptology, Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions. IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises existed 1000's of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
@kfc667 quran demands muslims to kill.Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57). You must be ignorant to have faith in a religion and a man that teaches to kill in the name of GOD(ALLAH).muhamad's way was and still is"ISLEM TESLIM."By the Sword. Read sura 9:29 “Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, Muslim’s make every effort to suppress any who claim to follow the Bible. Check your quran
@mrlogicalman1 Yes the Bible says No man has seen God (Jn.1:18). That's His glorious form of light which is invisible to us. For us to see God, He has to manifest in a form that we can see. Jesus is God manifested in flesh (1 Tim.3:16). Colossians 1:15 tell us that Jesus is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE GOD. In Jn.20:28 Thomas called Him "..My Lord & my God..". Acts 26:8 tells us that GOD rose from the dead. Titus 2:13 says "looking for ..... the appearing of the great GOD & Saviour Jesus Christ.
Is Naik Thick. Christians don't say Jesus is God and true he should Not be worshiped...But also do you think the Prophet wants Moslems to put him on such a high pedestal and do all manner of terrible things in his name. And twist his teachings out of all truth. He was a humble man like Jesus or Buddha not a pop star. These great men did not ask to be revered. It's Imams Bhramins and Priests who hijack their teachings and misinterpret them to make a name for themselves. Naik is a jealous man.
@Matt55481 not speaking arabic is not a obligation to be a scholar, understand it sure, but is not a requirement to fluently speak it (is better, sure).
In the same way (as your parameter indicates)) it cannot be a christian scholar then, UNLESS HE SPEAK ARAMAIC as it was the language os Jesus.
In several places Jesus claims to be the Son of God and that is why they crucified him. When The High Priest asked if he was the Son of God he said 'it is as you say'. Even after He rose from the dead he claimed to be equal to the Father (I and the Father are one).
@Ariana321 well, laugh away. it will be to your detriment. those who deny the Son, deny the Father also; if you denied God in such a wholesale way what hope is there for you?
The Bible talks about Jesus as "the Son of Man," referring to His humanity and as "the Son of God" referring to His divinity. All you have done is cite those verses that deal with His humanity. It is actually very disingenuous of you.
@StockportWesleyanC Good reply. the 'learned scholar' is just quoting a whole lot of texts like the sects and cults do. This is not employing the Word of God honestly.
The reason Jesus Himself does not openly call Himself God, is a fulfilment of Isaiah 53:7"...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth." Nevertheless, Jesus makes it clear that He is God by claiming omnipresence Matthew 18:20 and the power to judge John 5:22 and to forgive sins Matthew 9:6.
@DarkestSide1000 The reason Jesus Himself does not openly call Himself God, is a fulfilment of Isaiah 53:7"...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth." Nevertheless, Jesus makes it clear that He is God by claiming omnipresence Matthew 18:20 and the power to judge John 5:22 and to forgive sins Matthew 9:6.
@DarkestSide1000 He accepted worship from others including his disciples many times and he authorised the disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Both these imply his equality with God as taught in Phil 2. These are amazing things for a mere prophet. He also allowed others to call him God such as Thomas with the suggestion of a rebuke!!! (Jn 20.28). Jesus then equated Thomas' declaration with true belief in Him!!
@DarkestSide1000 You reply with no argument. Just scorn and dogmatic statement. 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God' (Jn 1.1). 'Then the Word became flesh and dwelt among us . . . and we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten Son of God, full of grace and truth' (Jn 1.14). So the Word was God (v1) but the Word was Jesus (v14) and hence, Jesus was God.
The Bible itself is a scorn and dogmatic statement. It states with zero argument. What? God is too idiotic to put his word in codes so that no one would realize it until the majority has discovered it? Look at Islam, Muslims don't need the Qur'an to prove Allah is God. The Arabic word of ALLAH is written in our hands. Is it a coincidence that all our fingers formed the word which means God?
@DarkestSide1000 You were trying to prove me wrong re the NT's witness to the divinity of Christ. I have presented you with 2 scriptures to answer that charge and your answer is to ridicule our scriptures. You haven't entered into this argument in good faith. There is no point in continuing what might have led to some understanding between us. I am sorry about that because according to the Bible, you are my neighbour and I am to love you as myself. So I do wish the best for you.
Okay, you passed my test. I'm really sorry for that because most Christians are too violent when I tried to talk to them and I had to do this to know who I am talking to. What I was trying to say, the New Testament offered us the verses that talked about Jesus' divinity. In our religions, God is the best of the best. So, why did he just give it out straightaway without His believers to find out? And you too are my neighbor according to Islam. I did it to save my time.
@DarkestSide1000 Well I'm glad I passed your test!! If you are saying that the New Testament (NT) gives one view of Jesus and your religious teaching another then I guess your teachers would say that our holy NT is simply wrong. By the way (btw) I was glad to receive your message and assure you that my Lord spoke very strongly to me about you; reminding me to talk to you as Jesus talked to the people he met. Be blessed in all you do!
I don't have teachers, mate. Most of them don't know jack about what they're saying. Teachers mean one that pass knowledge to the others. So far, they passed nothing to me except I learned the pillars on my own. I never said the New Testament is wrong, if I do, I'm the craziest guy on Earth. But I never said NT is right as well. I believe it has been distorted. How so? How many Christians that read NT in its original language?
@DarkestSide1000 Following Christ does not depend on reading the NT in its original languages at all but on hearing the good news about Jesus and believing. The Christian gospel is a spoken message (Rom 10.14-21) that when accepted in faith leads to regeneration. (I studied biblical Greek for 18mths when I was younger and have a Greek NT but I am no expert.) How did u become a Muslim? What were you before that? I was raised a Christian but decided for myself to remain so.
I was an unbeliever. I mean, I was a Muslim without faith. I was lost. I began to fancy Christianity until I saw the light. You mean you don't read the Bible in its original languages? Shame... the Bible itself speaks of Muhammad PBUH.
“Cheeko mame tah kim, vechulo Mohamadim. Zeh doudi, Me zehre he, beyna Jeruzalem” (Songs of solomon 5:9-16)
Elohim.
Mohamadim.
The God gives an utter respect to Muhammad PBUH in the Hebrew Bible.
@DarkestSide1000 We have to realise that the earliest Christian believers were uneducated men who didn't know Hebrew either!! I also find this supposed reference to Muhammad unconvincing. This person was a someone living at that time. There is no indication that it is pointing to someone in the future. I know that Christians use this about Jesus but I don't agree with that either.
@DarkestSide1000 I did give one reason. If the whole text of S of S is read then the action of love between this married couple takes place a thousand years before Muhammad.
@riian1946 I tried to put in a link but it seems we are not permitted to do that. As you noted the word you take to be of your prophet is plural. However, in the OTest the idea of a plurality of majesty is absent according to scholars that I consulted. (Elohim, God, is an interesting word because it implies that God is One but also more than one; a God in Relationship with Himself. Sorry I digress.) None of the translations I have consulted hint at the Islamic interpretation.
so, that's how you changed the fact. Elohim is God... but tell me, when Queen Elizabeth talk, would she say, "I have decided..." or "We have decided..." which in reality, she has decided. "We" is the royal term... the God used that in Elohim. You can put the link here... but add spaces by each dot, slash and underscores.
@DarkestSide1000 I accept your understanding of the royal 'we' used by Kings and Queens. The question is whether that plurality of majesty was used in the Hebrew language 6000 years ago. 19thC liberal Xn scholars who were not trinitarian said that Elohim was just a plurality of majesty. That view is now out of favour.[thx for the tip a/bt links!] answering.-.islam ..org.../..authors ../..rogers../..plural.._..majesty.... .html Peace (salaam) and grace be with you.
answering Islam has disappointed me. I've engaged in a debate with Faris (Khaled's assistant) and he keeps ignoring my questions. So, tell me what you understand and I'll try to counter it. Can I ask you one thing? What do you mean by lurality of majesty was used in the Hebrew language 6000 years ago?
@DarkestSide1000 I believe there was NO plurality of majesty used in the Hebrew language 6000 years ago. Plurality comes from plural meaning (in English) more than one. However, even though Elohim is a plural (-im ending) both Jews and Moslems for different reasons deny it is plural. You can see why they say this. My argument is that no evidence exists for the Hebrews using the plural for majesty. Hence, Elohim is a word that implies more than one person in the godhead. Peace!
@DarkestSide1000 The Trinity is at least not inconsistent with God being called 'Elohim' (Genesis 1.1). In Gen 1.26 Elohim says, 'Let US make man in OUR OWN image' etc. But in v 27 the text reads, 'So God made man in HIS own image, in the image of God HE [singular] created them' [etc]. Do you c it? The bible uses both US, OUR & HIS, HE about Elohim. And we know that the US in v26 cannot mean God plus angels because we are made in the image of God solely. I hope I've been clear.
@DarkestSide1000 What I'm saying is that Elohim sometimes uses plural pronouns and sometimes singular ones. That fact suggests a Trinitarian type of understanding of Elohim: one and many together. Do you see what I'm trying to say even if you don't agree with it? In any case, the most important thing is reading the gospel accounts and getting a clear picture of Jesus and deciding what you think about HIM. Christians are followers of Christ, 'Christ ones'.
@riian1946 Yes the Elohim (Gods or Astronauts) took their own DNA and combined to that of earthlings to create man. Adam and then Eve. This's Sumerian (or Babylonian) which the Jews learned during there captivity. Only on their release did they write the Bible based on the Sumerian version of Genesis.So Adam or Adama (one who is adept in Sumerian) was a genetically modified creation made from Elohim DNA.How do you think they got all those animals in the ark? DNA samples and Noah was 1000 yrs old
@riian1946 I spend much time studying Religions and their origins.My family is even a mix of Christian, Jew, Hindu and Moslem and I live between EU and SE Asia.So I respect Buddhism and lived in India. I'm Vegetarian. I've read most holy books and more. I'm non denominational. I think we must be true to ourselves and believe what we truly believe. God respects this.Religion is for the masses not for most deep thinkers.So my Religion is just me.No one else need join it but it is good as any other
@fjt108 I asked about your religion (which is a DIY religion isn't it?) because I wanted to work out why you've said all you've said above about the Bible. If there is one thing I am at least sure about it's that the Bible's account of creation is unique and bears little if any dependence on the Babylonian/Mesopotamian creation myth, Enuma Elish. How anyone can read the latter account and say the Genesis account is like it beats me! They are poles apart. Thx for giving your b'ground.
@riian1946 Well obviously as a Fundamentalist you would say that wouldn't you. You need to read some other books or is that a sin. Try Zecharia Sitchen who explains in detail the Sumerian origin of Genesis. The Bible is not at all unique it had to be concocted by 70 rabbis educated in Babylon after their release from captivity. Check it out.We need to open our minds to know the truth and it shall set you free.Otherwise we are enslaved by dogma and fundamentalism. Which is a very dangerous thing.
@fjt108 nothing like being tarred with the F--- word! No, it's not a sin but he reads like von Daniken. This is not new. Sitchen, like von D has no cred whatever in the scientific world. And I think your 70-rabbi story may be a distortion of the 70 translators who translated the OT into Greek, the Septuagint (the 70), which is often quoted in the NT even by Jesus. I concur with your quoting of Jesus about the truth and freedom. It would be interesting for you to look it up in context.
@riian1946 As if any Bible or Religion has credibility in the scientific world. The Bible or NT has No direct input from God or Jesus. NT was written after the council of Nicea 325 AD on Constantine's command. For Political reasons.Jesus's teachings are hearsay. May I ask who you think was Yahweh and why he made an illegal covenant with the Jews (causing war ever since) and how the God of a small country became the God of 3 major religions? Even though he is violent, vindictive and jealous.
@fjt108 All the NT letters, gospels, etc were written in the first C AD and may be even before AD 70. Where did you get this Nicea error from? Nicea Council was convened because of differences re the nature of Christ. Nicene Creed emerged from that Council. It's still recited in the Anglican Church! No, Jesus' teaching is not just hearsay but eye-witness accounts. Oral culture had excellent memories unlike ours. If Yahweh is the only God then he can make a covenant with who he chooses!
@riian1946 Violent, vindictive, jealous? We are not in any position to judge God; it is rather the fact that we are judged and found wanting. That's why Jesus came to deliver us from the penalty and power of our unfaithfulness to our creator-redeemer. Jesus signed a new covenant for all mankind with his sacrifice and his rising from the dead. The covenant with the OT people came to an end with Jesus' appearance for now all can benefit from the New Covenant, Jew and Gentile alike.
@riian1946 You still didn't answer my Q about how Yahweh the God of a small country got to be the God of 3 major religions even though he would appear to have no credibility if looked at objectively and would be wanted as an ethnic cleansing, war criminal today. And where does Jesus speak of signing a new covenant? Which Bible writer new him?
Dangerous monks, priests and popes made these things up to suit their own agenda for control over people.Jesus was used as a political tool of the Romans.
@fjt108 Your first question is unanswerable in the form in which you put it. Yahweh was the God of the whole earth. Not a tribal god. But his redemptive plan focussed on the Hebrews for he purposed to bring the Messiah from the Jews. Matthew & John knew Jesus according to early tradition well before your dangerous monks, priests and popes which didn't exist until centuries after Jesus. Jesus was used? You think so? I think rather that they fulfilled what had been written in Isaiah 53.
@riian1946 Where is the proof that Yahweh was a God of the earth?.He would not have been heard of outside tiny Israel. Not in China, India or Europe. He was not even a tribal God but a human being who incited the Jews to wage war on their neighbors because he was Jealous and Vengeful so entered into a bogus covenant to kill your neighbors destroy there deities because I am envious. Take their women and children into slavery and I will give you this bit of land called Israel and war forever.Amen.
@fjt108 As a Christian I follow the bible and its first 11 chapters demonstrate that Yahweh made 'all things seen and unseen' and was the creator of all nations. Then his interest focuses on Abraham and his descendants only because he had chosen them to bring forth the Messiah, the One who will redeem the world. Many times in the OT it is said that Elohim wanted the other nations to look at Israel and desire what they had. A good example of Yahweh's love for Gentiles is Jonah's story.
@fjt108 So tell s a few examples of what Yahweh did to prove he was God of the whole world. He's mainly remembered for his contract with the Jews which we know 3600 yrs later was a big mistake as it caused wars that go on to this day. So did he do any good things?
@fjt108 Jonah was sent to Nineveh, a city that was a sworn enemy of Israel. Yet God had mercy on them even to having pity for their cattle!! (Jonah 4.11). Well the same God sent his only begotten Son into the world to die for sinners like me and you (non-Jews). No covenant now exists between Yahweh and Israel because of the New Covenant made with all peoples. Jesus on the Passover night just before his death said, 'This is the blood of the new covenant' (Mark 14.24).
@riian1946 It sounds all very political esp as Yahweh supported Israel against all neighboring countries, like today I suppose.And yet you say he's the God of the whole world. Might it not be a case of winner takes all? Who decided that he should be the God of the world when he has such a bad human rights record? Did Mark actually hear Jesus speak about the covenant with his own ears? Or is it hearsay? And about Jesus being the only son of God. Why didn't Yahweh have more kids ever in Eternity?
@forramelagalleta Your words are without understanding of the bible's text. Jesus was not spoken as a word. He was the Word from the very beginning. And note, the text, not me says that the Word was with God and was God. Look this up in the New Testament and read it for yourself in John 1.1. The Word spoken of in verse 1 is obviously Jesus because of verse 14 so read that too.
But Jesus was BORN, he didn't just "became flesh and dwelt among us"
now make up your mind "the Word was WITH God or the Word WAS God?
or God was with himself? he cloned himself or something?
Dont get mad at me, you wrote that in your coment, IT'S CONFUSING!!, and the words of God cannot be confusing, otherwise he cannot blame us for our mistakes if the INSTRUCTIONS are not clear!!
@forramelagalleta yes, Jesus was born but St John is saying he became flesh (i.e.,human) implying that he wasn't flesh before his birth. He was with God. I understand your confusion. You are working with Allah who is a solitary God. The God of the Bible is more complex than that because He is Triune. I know you reject that and I appreciate that because earlier in my life I tried to live as a Christian without believing in the Trinity too.
@riian1946 Just to say something further about your comment about confusion. The Lord God is not going to hold you or me responsible for stuff we can't understand rationally. Salvation is by the favour (grace) of God alone not because of our works. You are aware of your many sins just as I am aware of mine. But the sacrifice of Christ has forever dealt with the question of sin for all who believe. John 3.16. Do you know what that blessed verse says? Well Jn 3.15 is also wonderful.
I apreciate your response but im not confused for the exact fact that i worship one God,.
Besides when Jesus talked about the Father, he mentioned as one, "father" he never said PARENTS or THEM , so he is God or part god part human? anyway it cannot be explaines nor reasoned about since 3 being 1 and 1 being 3 is totally out of logic,
@forramelagalleta Yes I appreciate you first sentence: with all Xns I worship one God. But we have to remember that we are discussing a Muslim challenge to Christians about Christ's deity being not taught in the Holy Scriptures.Our Faith is under challenge! Christians believe in one Father, one Son and one Holy Spirit; each of these is called God but there is only One God. Our best human theological response to that set of revealed facts is the Trinity.
@riian1946 Faith alone is not sificient, it has to have some sort of racional ground for the mind and heart of the human being to accept other wise is just emotion, and emotion has not a solid ground.,
as emotion and pasion are what the devil uses to distract us from god, reason is what keep us in check.
@forramelagalleta using faith does not mean the absence of rationality. I am well aware of the point you make here. Nevertheless, when the intellect has done its job then faith must be exercised to accept either Jesus or Muhammad's words. I am a follower of Jesus because I believe he leads me into the heart of God. I class myself as an intellectual (I have a PhD in psychology) but that does not mean that I don't need to exercise faith and trust in something/one beyond ourselves
Exactly the point!, i agree totally with your words here, the senses and intelect give us the tools to grasp that knowledge and asimilate it, but after they cover their ground, there is still more to discover, and that's where faith comes to play.
Many times we plan with full detail, and then something goes wrong, is a clear proof (among many) that something's got more control than us in this world.
I'm glad to find a rational person that understand the proper balance.
@riian1946 My second last & last sentences should read, "He also allowed others to call him God such as Thomas with NO suggestion of a rebuke!!! (Jn 20.28). Jesus then equated Thomas' declaration with true belief in Him!!' @DarkestSide 1000 can see none of the mighty implications of these words and this only shows a defiant blindness to the true character of Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
Let's pretend that there is a person living in a far off African village in virtually the middle of nowhere. This person is taught of the existence of the Creator God by the village elder and wishes to have fellowship with Him. If this person acknowledges the existence of the Creator, decides to call Him "Jesus", and places his/her faith in Him for salvation, then who are we to tell this same person that "Jesus is not God"? Go figure...
Let's pretend that there is a person living in a far off African village in virtually the middle of nowhere. This person is taught of the existence of the Creator God by the village elder and wishes to have fellowship with Him. If this person acknowledges the existence of the Creator, decides to call Him "Jesus", and places his/her faith in Him for salvation, then who are we to tell this same person that "Jesus is not God"? Go figure...
Jesus pbuh is not a Muslim. He is a Christian but he follows his own teaching from the God. Jesus does not perform the First Tahiyyah during the prayers, he continues till the end... The First Tahiyyah was added by esteemed Muhammad PBUH, permitted by the God SWT, to ease our prayers and not get confused in Zuhr, Asr and Isya'.
Yes, it is true and I made a mistake by saying Jesus pbuh is a Christian. My fault and I'm sorry. Jesus is a Muslim and preached Islam but what I was trying to put was, the names Islam and Muslim weren't created in his time.
The religious leaders were upset with Jesus because by forgiving sins, He made claim to divinity (Matt. 9:1-8). Another place Jesus says "I AM the door," which also infuriated the religious leaders, because the "I AM" was a reference to God who identified Himself to Moses in the burning bush as the "I AM." At any rate, Jesus claimed to be the only way to the father (John 14:6). Any Muslim who denies salvation via Jesus only, must logically call Jesus a liar.
Nampaknya kamu telah keliru dengan konsep beriman. Tahu kah kamu apa maksud beriman kepada Nabi dan Rasul? Erm... Rasanya kamu tidak faham. Tidak pasti sama ada di dalam agama kamu ada atau tidak konsep beriman kepada nabi dan rasul. Orang Islam tak ada masalah dengan konsep ini.
of course jesus didnt say he was God...he wasn't even Christian but jewish (you belong to the religion you yourself believe you belong to, not what others think - therefore he was not a muslim). in Judaism it is believed that Jesus was Messiah, the savior sent by God...not God himself.
Note the son's name shall be called The mighty God, etc.:
P1
ONLY SOME of the MOST POWERFUL PROOFS that JESUS is God
700 yrs before Jesus was born, the Prophet Isiah prophesied the following regarding Jesus IDENTITY:
Isiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son (Jesus) is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, *The mighty God*, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Face it, Islam and Christianity are two sides of the same coin. Both full of shit, both are havens for hypocrit lunatics, and both are insidious tools to control weak minded morons. The next step for human evolution is to abandon all gods. So far we have forgotten about 4,000 of them...Isis, Jupiter, Thor and the list goes on and on and on and on...
Jesus said before" Abraham was I AM". Do you understand Jesus said he is God?
hey why are you guys so afraid of Jesus? Why do you try to shut the mouths of Christains and deny Christ?? What are you so afraid of? Why do you force people to become Muslim by fear of death? It's because you are afraid of the Truth, which is this. No Man Comes to the Father but by Christ.
@sureshotjay100 is the promise of hell not the exact same thing? according to the general Christian doctrine, if you're not "saved" or "sanctified" or "redeemed," you go to hell. Why do you force people to become Christian by fear of hell?
i'm not afraid of the truth. in fact, it seems you're afraid of admitting how ridiculous your belief often sounds, compounded with shaking in your boots at the uncertainty of death. few of history's truth-seekers have landed on Christianity.
there is no miracle in the Qur'an except for the Qur'an, well except for MooHaMed ascending into heaven on a donkey . . . <---that sounds pretty miraculous!!!
Jesus claimed to be GOD because he claimed to be able to forgive sins. Only the One originally offended, or the One offended can forgive sins.
you are simpletons misquoting the bible . . . HE IS GOD IN THE FLESH . . . BORN LIKE A LAMB IN A STABLE TO TAKE THE SINS OF THE WORLD AWAY . . . GOD CHOSE THE JEWS INSTEAD OF THE ARABS . . .
oh lulz qu'ran is an upgrade from previous religion. LOL.
HistoricalAbstract 6 days ago
"holy" bible is the best book of porn that have ever written in the human history. fuck christians and jews. they rape their daughters and mothers. we often see on? news that son rapes his mother and father rapes his daughters in US. (/watch?v=Wh6MD-y9GGc&feature=related) (/watch?v=oC_nSeIzdiw&feature=related)
MrAzeemmmm 1 week ago
Sir, U forgot to Mention one Verse Which you have NO EXPLANATION so u ommitted it.
[I and the Father are one."[ John 10:30
can u plz accept a debate with any of the Pakistani Preachers challening you. plz dont run away. thanks.
visiondq1 1 week ago
There is one thing that people seem to forget. The Quran emerged 1400 years ago. That's 600 years after the bible and more than 1000 years after the law of Moses. The Bible is irrelevant, I agree with you, people were really retarded 2,000 years ago. 1400 years ago, now that's a completely different story. It does look like the Quran was made to "upgrade" the existing religions because it emerged 600 years after everything else. That's 15 generations to study the Bible and find its flaws...
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NIKAH (Penetration) + MAHR (payment) = PROSTITUTION
Without 'Mahr', Nikah CONTRACT, (Marriage is a Christian word) cannot go ahead, Mahr' IS PAYMENT FOR THE WOMAN FOR USING HER BODY FOR SEX, is this marriage?
After Husband has had sex with her, Mahr' becomes payment for that. Sahih Muslim 9:3557/A.Dawud 11:2078
The Prophet said: 'If anyone gives as a dower to his wife two handfuls of flour OR dates he has made her lawful for him for sex.'Abu Dawud 11:2105 THIS IS PROSTITUTION - not marriage
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1 John 5 Jesus is God .
King James Version (KJV).
20=And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life..
believeonetime 2 weeks ago
By Jesus rising from the grave, it assures him his his partaking of the divinity he now share sthe nature of God, being born of the Father's Spirit, he can died no more.Romans 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead;) even Jesus Christ our Lord
DocHoliday1882 3 weeks ago
book of job is the oldest book in bible so more reliable. so if it says sumat its more reiable and hence less altered well done book of job. also john 10;30 jesus never said my father and i AND the holy ghost are one. you say he said my father and i are one. if you read on it also says the disciples are one in him and ect so xtians should in that case worship 12discples and trinity so they shud worship 15gods not three
mrlogicalman1 3 weeks ago
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Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Philippi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Rom10-13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
believeonetime 1 month ago
Christianity destroyed by this video. Nuff said.
ZaeemIslamSoldier 1 month ago
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Thanks for your comment
qwerty0019 1 month ago
@ZaeemIslamSoldier Challenged Response to Dr. Zakir Naik- Islamic Kalima By Rev. Dr. Samie Samson (Urdu Language)
visiondq1 1 week ago
BOOK OF JOB SAYS THAT COMPARED TO GOD HUMANS ARE LIKE MAGGOTS, AND JESUS IS LIKE A WORM. JESUS RAN TO BUSHES TO GO TOILET LIKE ANY HUMAN. YOU DARE SAY GOD DID THAT TOO.... ALL ATOMS IN UNIVERSE FOR 14BILLIUONS YEARS THERE MOVEMENT AND FORM CHANGING , THEN ALL OTHER UNIVERSES YOU THINK JESUS COULD CONTROL ALL THAT IN PLANCK TIME SPEED. CAN HE LIFT A NEUTRON STAR, JUMP ON A PULSAR, WITHSTAND A GRB BURST., EAT A BLACKHIOLE ECT ECT. ALL PROPHETS SAID GOD IS ONE ...
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@mrlogicalman1 10 steps to become a bhenchod musalman(slumpig)
1.Wear used CONDOM as a cap on head
2.Worship a 'goat fucker'
3.Worship pubic hair of hazarat
4.marry multiple women n open a brothel for them
5.molest 6 Yr girl
6.Drink camel urine n eat intestine of SWINE
7.Fry n eat testis of goat n pollute an air n ur stomoch both
8.Get married with wife of ur son(Daughter-in-law)
9.never try to talk english..otherwise ppl laugh their head off
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@mrlogicalman1 1.Mauhammad ke bete ki biwi ka naam zanib tha jise ki muhammad bhi khoob pasand kaarta tha,baad mein muhammad ne apne bete se oska divorce karwa oos se khud hi shadi karli. muslim history ke mutabik zanib ka poora naam zanib bint jahsh tho. Brother agar aap muhammad aur ooski biwion ke baare poori tareh januna chahte hain tou ye video dekh ooski poori histiry parhen - LIST OF WIVES OF PROPHIT MUHAMMAD.
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@mrlogicalman1 Muslim history ke mukabik zainab bint jahsh mauhammad ke bete ki biwi thi jo ki mauhammad ko bhi khoob pasand thi.Baad mein mauhammad ne oska apne bete se divorce karwa khud oos se shaadi kar oose apni 5th biwi banaya, zainab ka hi poora naam zainab bint jahsh hai.
Shit Your mashallah, Inshahllah or Allah Koye 6 Baar Jung Kay kiya Tere socalled Allha
NaPakAsstani 1 month ago
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@mrlogicalman1 Truth about Islam and Muhammad:
◘ He had sex with a nine year old girl, while he was over fifty years old.
{Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated Aisha: that the prophet married her when she was six years old, and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years}.
NaPakAsstani 1 month ago
@mrlogicalman1
Asalamou ,Aleykoum
The reference for that is Job 25:4-6
BeholderGuard 3 weeks ago
THEN XTIANS SAY GOD WILL SEND ALL MEANING ALL EVN PROPHETS AND BABIES TO HELL COS ADAM ATE A FRUIT. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT MINOR SIN DID WE? YET XTIANS SAY RAPISTS,KILLERS, BABY TORTURERS. ECT GO TO HEAVEN JUST FOR BEING XTIAN. EVN PPL THAT HAVE NEVER HEARD OF GOD OR HIS PROPHETS. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL? wot of all ppl born b4 jesus, they go hell too? IF XTIANS WER TRUE THEN JESUS WUD HAVE COME AT TIME OF ADAM SO THEN NO1 CUD SAY WE DINT KNOW ABOUT JESUS RIGHT [ I AWESOME ]
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
LOOK IF YOUR KID IS RAPED AND KILLED , YOU GO TO GOD AND ASK FOR JUSTICE. GOD WILL SAY SORRY , I HAVE TO SEND THE GUILTY TO HEAVEN COS HES A CHRISTIAN, AND SOME INNOCENT GUY HAS BEEN PUNISHED INSTEAD. NO COURT IN THE WORLD WUD LET GUILTY GO AND PUNISH AN INNOCENT MAN INSTEAD. . YET THEY SAY GOD DOES DO THAT EVN THO WE HUMANS DONT. SO THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE MORE KIND AND JUST THAN GOD. SEE HOW XTIANS DONT PRACTISE WOT THEY PREACH COS THEY KNOW HOW STUPID IT IS TO PUNISH INNOCNT PERSON
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
once again in my newspaper a christian religious leader arrested for raping women and innocent children , for 30 years. the satan was with him, not the unholy ghost. why do xtians do all filth imaginable, like rape, alcohol till they puke or drive and kill , make por movies, screw a stripper all at the party evn the bride to be. pig meat, cos they say some one else paid for it. exactly how can he still pay for it hasnt his sacrifice outstripped the sins by now.
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
GOOGLE 10CHRIST LIKE FIGURES , AND CHRISTIANITY ORIGINS COUNCIL OF NICEA 325AD, SEE STORIES LIKE MITHRAS AND DIONYSIS, WHO WAS BORN ON 25DECEMBER, FROM VIRGIN , CRUCIFIED, WENT TO HELL CAME BACK, CALLED KING OF KINGS, GOD OF WINE, KILLED A FIG TREE ECT THEY JUST STOLE ALL GREEK MYTHS TO PUT IN BIBLE. THEN THEY REALISED NEW TESTMNT IS JUST SAME STORY COPIED 4TIMES, AND ONLY ABOUT JESUS SO THEY STOLE JEWS OLD TESTMNT THAT TALKS ABOUT CREATION AND OTHER PROPHETS . EVN BIBLE IS A MADE UP NAME
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
It's clear this man doe's not want to accept the salvation of Our Lord Jesus Christ, oh well his loss. The bad thing is that he deceives so many people.
magnum02jr 1 month ago
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John 14 (King James Version).
9=Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
believeonetime 1 month ago
Naik is nothing but a desiever. Just like the devil shaton himself. He only quotes part of the verse and twists it to look bad.
33heis 1 month ago
Jesus Said "My Father is greater than all"..so if Jesus is a God, His father must be Ultra God :p..so which one you will worship?? :)
Gospel of John,Chapter No.5, Verse No.30... 'I can of my own self do nothing' : That is
yeniz13 1 month ago
John 20:28-29, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
Eat that
Andytheantiathiest 1 month ago
@Andytheantiathiest , sorry this no offense. My question is just for learning. I'm sincere. Please teach me. My question is, why do Christians worship Jesus? Why don't they worship GodFather? And why don't they worship Holy Spirit? I appreciate your positive answer because I want to learn
MusangSemput83 1 month ago
No, Jesus never said the exact three words, "I am God". But Jesus also never said the exact four words, "I am a prophet" or the exact four words "I am a man," but we know he was both a prophet and a man. It is not necessary for Jesus to say the exact phrase "I am a man" for us to know that he was a man. Likewise, it is not necessary for Jesus to utter the exact three words "I am God" in order for us to determine whether or not he is divine.
Andytheantiathiest 1 month ago
@Andytheantiathiest jesus referred to himself in 14 places in the bible for example Mark 13:26 and 14:62
And let me ask you if he being god is so important (it's the basis of christianity along with the concept of original sin) why didn't he say it and instead called himself son of man, prayed to god and said all these other things you heard in the video...he also didn't know when the judgment day will happen....all the prophets (including jesus pbuh) did one thing..they worshipped the one God
daoudhaz 1 month ago
@Andytheantiathiest i meant referred to himself as son of man
daoudhaz 1 month ago
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. all of their foundational beliefs, holy practises & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either 'ANCIENT EGYPTOLOGY', Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions (like ZOROASTRIANISM)
IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises existed 1000's of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
smh youve been worshipping da blazing SUN & PAGAN GODS all these yrs
kfc667 1 month ago 2
did dr zakir think jesus would dance and sing around saying he is god he is this and that? No Jesus clearly states who he is in the bible but i guess dr zakir missed John 8:58 and my favorite John 14:6 ow and Rev.1:7,8 but its easy to miss these things Jesus does not say he is God directly but indirectly
Taurion4467 1 month ago
sure he is not god.
there is no god
only retards believe in god
nuff said
Impulse116 1 month ago
theres been human worship for millenia. all claaiming ther crap is true. jesus never said my father and i and the ghost are one.
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
THE GOSPEL OF BARNABUS PROVES ALL CRAP IN THE NEW TESTI-CLE IS FALSE AND JESUS IS NOT A GOD. IT SAYS ALOT MORE TOO WRITTEN BY A CHRISTIAN FROM GOD EXPLAIN THAT THEN RETARDS
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
BIBLE SAYS GOD HAS MUMS CUT OPEN TO KILL THER UNBORN, HAS COUNTLESS BABIES AND ANIMALS SMASHED ON ROCKS. HAS MOSES WIPE OUT CITIES EVN ANIMALS ONLY VIRGINS KEPT 4 THE MEN EVN GOD GETS A SHARE. SAYS GOD WILL SHAVE BILLIONS OF PPL LEGS WITH A RAZOR. PROPHETS DOING INCEST. ANGELS SINNING . EVN SAYS JESUS GREAT GRANDPARENTS WERE FROM INCEST. SAYS KILL EVN UR KIDS IF THEY LEAVE CHURCH. BLACKS KILLED FOR BEING BLACK. ECT ECT THIS FILTH IS EXACTLY WHAT SATAN SAYS. BIBLE EVN SAYS DONT PRAY TO GOD......
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
dude god knw about humen beings how to treate and how to teach ,,,, he is full of power so he can tak birth on earth ,,,, ya jesus said tht he is son of god . he took birth wit power of god iam a hindu but still i belibe that jesus is son of god
kirannaveen2 2 months ago
@kirannaveen2 then how are you a hindu then idiot
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
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John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
voldime 2 months ago
John 10:25 - - - Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
voldime 2 months ago
@voldime ERM WHERE IS THE GHOST DID HE FORGET TOMENTION HIM I AND MY FATHER EQUALS TWO NOT THREE GENIUS
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
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Please search the web for incorrupt bodies and let me know if there is an instance of any Muslim's body. Can you tell me why it is so? If you say Islam is the truth, can you prove it through your experience of any miracle or supernatural event or healing in the life of a human being? If the Christians are doing wrong then why is God helping us? Remember Satan cannot do good .. Only God Can... Prove me wrong if you can.... I am sure you cannot...
voldime 2 months ago
Mathew 12:31-32 "And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come". Can anyone tell me why the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven?
voldime 2 months ago
John 14,8
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. etc.
mon2908 2 months ago
if youn are disputing the words of Dr. zakir Naik then watch peace tv and see how respected pastors,bishops and monks find it difficult to argue against dr naik
siriyaz99 2 months ago
To understand Bible you must have the Holy Spirit.Yes Jesus is God, but He is also man.He spoke as both 'Man' & 'God'. When He was born, God became a man.That's why the angels came down.That's why the wise men worshipped Him. John 1:10 says,"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not". In Jn.14:9 Jesus said,"..he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.." & in Rev 1:8 He says,"..I am The Almighty". In Heaven He sits on the Throne and is worshipped, Rev.4:7-11.
SRamdhani1 2 months ago
@SRamdhani1 amen ramdhani amen
copperhairbelle 2 months ago
@copperhairbelle Thank you, thank you.
SRamdhani1 2 months ago
@SRamdhani1 SUN GODS: History of Religion Part 1 of 3: watch?v=PobDpVqny3I
Jesus? crucifixion & resurrection is an ADAPTATION from da famous SUN GOD Horus, atleast 3000 BC (LONG BEFORE jesus)
southern crux (cross) constellation & crucifixion is PAGAN (3000 BC)
christmas/easter=sun worship (sun-day), satanic
Horus, Nimrod, Zeus=sun gods, existed LONG BEFORE Jesus
da romans (emperor constantine) adopted pagan practices to da religion to gain converts & votes for political power
allahu akbar!
kfc667 2 months ago 16
@kfc667 actually if you google 10christ like figures myths like dionysis and mithras you will see all jesus details. from the same greeks that started xtianty. he was born 25dec from virgin crucified went to hell came back. killed a fig tree . called king of kings ect ect
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
@kfc667 Aren't you bashing your own religion given that one of your tenants or duties is to acknowledge Jesus as one of Allah's prophets? I'm not Christian but I'm thinking of converting to Islam...
chiriviscospower 1 day ago
@chiriviscospower can you please clarify?
chiriviscospower 1 day ago
@chiriviscospower lol i aint religious...religion stems from UNEDUCATED PRIMITIVE TRIBES
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. ALL OF THEIR foundational BELIEFS, holy PRACTICES & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either ancient Egyptology, Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions. IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises EXISTED 1000s of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
kfc667 11 hours ago
@SRamdhani1 how can u BELIEVE in a book (invented by a POLITICAL pagan roman: Mr. Constantine)
da letter 'J' was invented in da 1600's by a bisexual/freemason, king james
Jesus real name = Yeshua (Joshua/Esa), God=Yahweh
Jesus is an ADAPTATION of a egyptian/roman god HORUS/ZEUS (king of kings)
sunday is a pagan day 2 WORSHIP da SUN GOD
DEC 25th is Horus bday (& also for 100s of other pagan gods, LONG BEFORE Jesus was born) it is a SUN FESTIVAL, Nimrod resurrected annually on dec 25th
kfc667 2 months ago 19
@kfc667 That Book was not invented by Mr. Constantine but by God who used men like Moses, Isaiah, John & Paul who were born long before Mr.Constantine. I have seen miracles in Jesus name & no other. Every day of the week has pagan origin not only Sunday. Dec 25 was a pagan festival but not again thanks to Jesus' virgin birth. That's why the sun god religion is HISTORY. Trying to discredit the Bible & Jesus is satanic.
SRamdhani1 1 month ago
@kfc667 waw very good.
freeopinion77 1 month ago
@kfc667 you are so wrong and its not even funny show your evidence for your claim plz
Taurion4467 1 month ago
@Taurion4467 "show your evidence for your claim plz"
wtf? go in a library or use the internet & find out for yourself
ive personally studied these religions for the past 2yrs (by myself), analyzing bias & non-bias claims/opinions/facts, etc and i have come to a conclusion:
all religions are bullshit, religion is man made, mainly to control people (or a society)
these religions were 1st tribal, with tribal beliefs & practises...worshipping the sun, the stars, volcanoes, people, etc
kfc667 1 month ago
@kfc667 The bible is about Jesus. It is a rescue manual for sinners and shows that sinners are incapable of saving themselves through religion and atheism
Thechristiancullen 3 weeks ago
@Thechristiancullen the bible is about all of the prophets & their stories/laws of religion
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. all of their foundational beliefs, holy practises & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either ancient Egyptology, Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions. IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises existed 1000's of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
kfc667 3 weeks ago 4
@kfc667 However even 2000 years ago it was still unusual for someone to raise themselves from the dead.
Thechristiancullen 3 weeks ago
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@kfc667 quran demands muslims to kill.Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57). You must be ignorant to have faith in a religion and a man that teaches to kill in the name of GOD(ALLAH).muhamad's way was and still is"ISLEM TESLIM."By the Sword. Read sura 9:29 “Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, Muslim’s make every effort to suppress any who claim to follow the Bible. Check your quran
33heis 5 days ago
@SRamdhani1 bible also says no1 has seen god ever
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
@mrlogicalman1 Yes the Bible says No man has seen God (Jn.1:18). That's His glorious form of light which is invisible to us. For us to see God, He has to manifest in a form that we can see. Jesus is God manifested in flesh (1 Tim.3:16). Colossians 1:15 tell us that Jesus is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE GOD. In Jn.20:28 Thomas called Him "..My Lord & my God..". Acts 26:8 tells us that GOD rose from the dead. Titus 2:13 says "looking for ..... the appearing of the great GOD & Saviour Jesus Christ.
SRamdhani1 1 month ago
i think islam and christianity are both fake but jesus also says if you have seen me you have seen god too
jayd4ever 2 months ago
Y'shua is YHWH, is god is elohim, get over it.
mon2908 2 months ago
@mon2908 amen amen
copperhairbelle 2 months ago
Is Naik Thick. Christians don't say Jesus is God and true he should Not be worshiped...But also do you think the Prophet wants Moslems to put him on such a high pedestal and do all manner of terrible things in his name. And twist his teachings out of all truth. He was a humble man like Jesus or Buddha not a pop star. These great men did not ask to be revered. It's Imams Bhramins and Priests who hijack their teachings and misinterpret them to make a name for themselves. Naik is a jealous man.
fjt108 2 months ago
Jews have the religion of money, for it's that, they worship.
Christians have the religion of man, for is that, they worship.
and Muslims have the religion of God, the one and only, for is that, they worship.
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
@Matt55481 not speaking arabic is not a obligation to be a scholar, understand it sure, but is not a requirement to fluently speak it (is better, sure).
In the same way (as your parameter indicates)) it cannot be a christian scholar then, UNLESS HE SPEAK ARAMAIC as it was the language os Jesus.
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
In several places Jesus claims to be the Son of God and that is why they crucified him. When The High Priest asked if he was the Son of God he said 'it is as you say'. Even after He rose from the dead he claimed to be equal to the Father (I and the Father are one).
pb4lyf 3 months ago
@pb4lyf
It does? where? chapter and verse please? he say as you say?, looks like the old version of "wathever man".
he and the father are 1 so 2=1? , do you want some fries whith that logic?
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
Jesus h. christ I can't help but laugh my ass off from this.
Ariana321 3 months ago
@Ariana321 well, laugh away. it will be to your detriment. those who deny the Son, deny the Father also; if you denied God in such a wholesale way what hope is there for you?
riian1946 2 months ago
The Bible talks about Jesus as "the Son of Man," referring to His humanity and as "the Son of God" referring to His divinity. All you have done is cite those verses that deal with His humanity. It is actually very disingenuous of you.
StockportWesleyanC 3 months ago in playlist is jesus god or son of god. trinity explained from the bibl
@StockportWesleyanC Good reply. the 'learned scholar' is just quoting a whole lot of texts like the sects and cults do. This is not employing the Word of God honestly.
riian1946 2 months ago
The reason Jesus Himself does not openly call Himself God, is a fulfilment of Isaiah 53:7"...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth." Nevertheless, Jesus makes it clear that He is God by claiming omnipresence Matthew 18:20 and the power to judge John 5:22 and to forgive sins Matthew 9:6.
StockportWesleyanC 3 months ago in playlist is jesus god or son of god. trinity explained from the bibl
@StockportWesleyanC
God is a term that one should clearly state of His authority. Why should Jesus pbuh be afraid to say he is God if he really is God? God > Everything.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 If you scroll down the comments you will find I have answered this question already.
StockportWesleyanC 2 months ago
@StockportWesleyanC
comments are massive here, mate. Care you repeat, please?
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
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@DarkestSide1000 The reason Jesus Himself does not openly call Himself God, is a fulfilment of Isaiah 53:7"...as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth." Nevertheless, Jesus makes it clear that He is God by claiming omnipresence Matthew 18:20 and the power to judge John 5:22 and to forgive sins Matthew 9:6.
StockportWesleyanC 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 He accepted worship from others including his disciples many times and he authorised the disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Both these imply his equality with God as taught in Phil 2. These are amazing things for a mere prophet. He also allowed others to call him God such as Thomas with the suggestion of a rebuke!!! (Jn 20.28). Jesus then equated Thomas' declaration with true belief in Him!!
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
if that's the way you're proving of Jesus' divinity then spare me. Even I can write a text like that but John 20:28 ain't proving Jesus is God.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 You reply with no argument. Just scorn and dogmatic statement. 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God' (Jn 1.1). 'Then the Word became flesh and dwelt among us . . . and we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten Son of God, full of grace and truth' (Jn 1.14). So the Word was God (v1) but the Word was Jesus (v14) and hence, Jesus was God.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
The Bible itself is a scorn and dogmatic statement. It states with zero argument. What? God is too idiotic to put his word in codes so that no one would realize it until the majority has discovered it? Look at Islam, Muslims don't need the Qur'an to prove Allah is God. The Arabic word of ALLAH is written in our hands. Is it a coincidence that all our fingers formed the word which means God?
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 You were trying to prove me wrong re the NT's witness to the divinity of Christ. I have presented you with 2 scriptures to answer that charge and your answer is to ridicule our scriptures. You haven't entered into this argument in good faith. There is no point in continuing what might have led to some understanding between us. I am sorry about that because according to the Bible, you are my neighbour and I am to love you as myself. So I do wish the best for you.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
Okay, you passed my test. I'm really sorry for that because most Christians are too violent when I tried to talk to them and I had to do this to know who I am talking to. What I was trying to say, the New Testament offered us the verses that talked about Jesus' divinity. In our religions, God is the best of the best. So, why did he just give it out straightaway without His believers to find out? And you too are my neighbor according to Islam. I did it to save my time.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 Well I'm glad I passed your test!! If you are saying that the New Testament (NT) gives one view of Jesus and your religious teaching another then I guess your teachers would say that our holy NT is simply wrong. By the way (btw) I was glad to receive your message and assure you that my Lord spoke very strongly to me about you; reminding me to talk to you as Jesus talked to the people he met. Be blessed in all you do!
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
I don't have teachers, mate. Most of them don't know jack about what they're saying. Teachers mean one that pass knowledge to the others. So far, they passed nothing to me except I learned the pillars on my own. I never said the New Testament is wrong, if I do, I'm the craziest guy on Earth. But I never said NT is right as well. I believe it has been distorted. How so? How many Christians that read NT in its original language?
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 Following Christ does not depend on reading the NT in its original languages at all but on hearing the good news about Jesus and believing. The Christian gospel is a spoken message (Rom 10.14-21) that when accepted in faith leads to regeneration. (I studied biblical Greek for 18mths when I was younger and have a Greek NT but I am no expert.) How did u become a Muslim? What were you before that? I was raised a Christian but decided for myself to remain so.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
I was an unbeliever. I mean, I was a Muslim without faith. I was lost. I began to fancy Christianity until I saw the light. You mean you don't read the Bible in its original languages? Shame... the Bible itself speaks of Muhammad PBUH.
“Cheeko mame tah kim, vechulo Mohamadim. Zeh doudi, Me zehre he, beyna Jeruzalem” (Songs of solomon 5:9-16)
Elohim.
Mohamadim.
The God gives an utter respect to Muhammad PBUH in the Hebrew Bible.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 We have to realise that the earliest Christian believers were uneducated men who didn't know Hebrew either!! I also find this supposed reference to Muhammad unconvincing. This person was a someone living at that time. There is no indication that it is pointing to someone in the future. I know that Christians use this about Jesus but I don't agree with that either.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
why is it unconvincing? Elaborate.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 I did give one reason. If the whole text of S of S is read then the action of love between this married couple takes place a thousand years before Muhammad.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 I tried to put in a link but it seems we are not permitted to do that. As you noted the word you take to be of your prophet is plural. However, in the OTest the idea of a plurality of majesty is absent according to scholars that I consulted. (Elohim, God, is an interesting word because it implies that God is One but also more than one; a God in Relationship with Himself. Sorry I digress.) None of the translations I have consulted hint at the Islamic interpretation.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
so, that's how you changed the fact. Elohim is God... but tell me, when Queen Elizabeth talk, would she say, "I have decided..." or "We have decided..." which in reality, she has decided. "We" is the royal term... the God used that in Elohim. You can put the link here... but add spaces by each dot, slash and underscores.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 I accept your understanding of the royal 'we' used by Kings and Queens. The question is whether that plurality of majesty was used in the Hebrew language 6000 years ago. 19thC liberal Xn scholars who were not trinitarian said that Elohim was just a plurality of majesty. That view is now out of favour.[thx for the tip a/bt links!] answering.-.islam ..org.../..authors ../..rogers../..plural.._..majesty.... .html Peace (salaam) and grace be with you.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
answering Islam has disappointed me. I've engaged in a debate with Faris (Khaled's assistant) and he keeps ignoring my questions. So, tell me what you understand and I'll try to counter it. Can I ask you one thing? What do you mean by lurality of majesty was used in the Hebrew language 6000 years ago?
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 I believe there was NO plurality of majesty used in the Hebrew language 6000 years ago. Plurality comes from plural meaning (in English) more than one. However, even though Elohim is a plural (-im ending) both Jews and Moslems for different reasons deny it is plural. You can see why they say this. My argument is that no evidence exists for the Hebrews using the plural for majesty. Hence, Elohim is a word that implies more than one person in the godhead. Peace!
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
So, according to you, the plurality of Elohim lies in the Trinity, is that it?
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 The Trinity is at least not inconsistent with God being called 'Elohim' (Genesis 1.1). In Gen 1.26 Elohim says, 'Let US make man in OUR OWN image' etc. But in v 27 the text reads, 'So God made man in HIS own image, in the image of God HE [singular] created them' [etc]. Do you c it? The bible uses both US, OUR & HIS, HE about Elohim. And we know that the US in v26 cannot mean God plus angels because we are made in the image of God solely. I hope I've been clear.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
I'm not trying to be an ass... but I really don't understand.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 What I'm saying is that Elohim sometimes uses plural pronouns and sometimes singular ones. That fact suggests a Trinitarian type of understanding of Elohim: one and many together. Do you see what I'm trying to say even if you don't agree with it? In any case, the most important thing is reading the gospel accounts and getting a clear picture of Jesus and deciding what you think about HIM. Christians are followers of Christ, 'Christ ones'.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 Yes the Elohim (Gods or Astronauts) took their own DNA and combined to that of earthlings to create man. Adam and then Eve. This's Sumerian (or Babylonian) which the Jews learned during there captivity. Only on their release did they write the Bible based on the Sumerian version of Genesis.So Adam or Adama (one who is adept in Sumerian) was a genetically modified creation made from Elohim DNA.How do you think they got all those animals in the ark? DNA samples and Noah was 1000 yrs old
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108 and your religion or non-religion is?
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 I spend much time studying Religions and their origins.My family is even a mix of Christian, Jew, Hindu and Moslem and I live between EU and SE Asia.So I respect Buddhism and lived in India. I'm Vegetarian. I've read most holy books and more. I'm non denominational. I think we must be true to ourselves and believe what we truly believe. God respects this.Religion is for the masses not for most deep thinkers.So my Religion is just me.No one else need join it but it is good as any other
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108 I asked about your religion (which is a DIY religion isn't it?) because I wanted to work out why you've said all you've said above about the Bible. If there is one thing I am at least sure about it's that the Bible's account of creation is unique and bears little if any dependence on the Babylonian/Mesopotamian creation myth, Enuma Elish. How anyone can read the latter account and say the Genesis account is like it beats me! They are poles apart. Thx for giving your b'ground.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 Well obviously as a Fundamentalist you would say that wouldn't you. You need to read some other books or is that a sin. Try Zecharia Sitchen who explains in detail the Sumerian origin of Genesis. The Bible is not at all unique it had to be concocted by 70 rabbis educated in Babylon after their release from captivity. Check it out.We need to open our minds to know the truth and it shall set you free.Otherwise we are enslaved by dogma and fundamentalism. Which is a very dangerous thing.
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108 nothing like being tarred with the F--- word! No, it's not a sin but he reads like von Daniken. This is not new. Sitchen, like von D has no cred whatever in the scientific world. And I think your 70-rabbi story may be a distortion of the 70 translators who translated the OT into Greek, the Septuagint (the 70), which is often quoted in the NT even by Jesus. I concur with your quoting of Jesus about the truth and freedom. It would be interesting for you to look it up in context.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 As if any Bible or Religion has credibility in the scientific world. The Bible or NT has No direct input from God or Jesus. NT was written after the council of Nicea 325 AD on Constantine's command. For Political reasons.Jesus's teachings are hearsay. May I ask who you think was Yahweh and why he made an illegal covenant with the Jews (causing war ever since) and how the God of a small country became the God of 3 major religions? Even though he is violent, vindictive and jealous.
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108 All the NT letters, gospels, etc were written in the first C AD and may be even before AD 70. Where did you get this Nicea error from? Nicea Council was convened because of differences re the nature of Christ. Nicene Creed emerged from that Council. It's still recited in the Anglican Church! No, Jesus' teaching is not just hearsay but eye-witness accounts. Oral culture had excellent memories unlike ours. If Yahweh is the only God then he can make a covenant with who he chooses!
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 Violent, vindictive, jealous? We are not in any position to judge God; it is rather the fact that we are judged and found wanting. That's why Jesus came to deliver us from the penalty and power of our unfaithfulness to our creator-redeemer. Jesus signed a new covenant for all mankind with his sacrifice and his rising from the dead. The covenant with the OT people came to an end with Jesus' appearance for now all can benefit from the New Covenant, Jew and Gentile alike.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 You still didn't answer my Q about how Yahweh the God of a small country got to be the God of 3 major religions even though he would appear to have no credibility if looked at objectively and would be wanted as an ethnic cleansing, war criminal today. And where does Jesus speak of signing a new covenant? Which Bible writer new him?
Dangerous monks, priests and popes made these things up to suit their own agenda for control over people.Jesus was used as a political tool of the Romans.
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108 Your first question is unanswerable in the form in which you put it. Yahweh was the God of the whole earth. Not a tribal god. But his redemptive plan focussed on the Hebrews for he purposed to bring the Messiah from the Jews. Matthew & John knew Jesus according to early tradition well before your dangerous monks, priests and popes which didn't exist until centuries after Jesus. Jesus was used? You think so? I think rather that they fulfilled what had been written in Isaiah 53.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 Where is the proof that Yahweh was a God of the earth?.He would not have been heard of outside tiny Israel. Not in China, India or Europe. He was not even a tribal God but a human being who incited the Jews to wage war on their neighbors because he was Jealous and Vengeful so entered into a bogus covenant to kill your neighbors destroy there deities because I am envious. Take their women and children into slavery and I will give you this bit of land called Israel and war forever.Amen.
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108 As a Christian I follow the bible and its first 11 chapters demonstrate that Yahweh made 'all things seen and unseen' and was the creator of all nations. Then his interest focuses on Abraham and his descendants only because he had chosen them to bring forth the Messiah, the One who will redeem the world. Many times in the OT it is said that Elohim wanted the other nations to look at Israel and desire what they had. A good example of Yahweh's love for Gentiles is Jonah's story.
riian1946 2 months ago
@fjt108 So tell s a few examples of what Yahweh did to prove he was God of the whole world. He's mainly remembered for his contract with the Jews which we know 3600 yrs later was a big mistake as it caused wars that go on to this day. So did he do any good things?
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108 Jonah was sent to Nineveh, a city that was a sworn enemy of Israel. Yet God had mercy on them even to having pity for their cattle!! (Jonah 4.11). Well the same God sent his only begotten Son into the world to die for sinners like me and you (non-Jews). No covenant now exists between Yahweh and Israel because of the New Covenant made with all peoples. Jesus on the Passover night just before his death said, 'This is the blood of the new covenant' (Mark 14.24).
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 It sounds all very political esp as Yahweh supported Israel against all neighboring countries, like today I suppose.And yet you say he's the God of the whole world. Might it not be a case of winner takes all? Who decided that he should be the God of the world when he has such a bad human rights record? Did Mark actually hear Jesus speak about the covenant with his own ears? Or is it hearsay? And about Jesus being the only son of God. Why didn't Yahweh have more kids ever in Eternity?
fjt108 2 months ago
@fjt108
you still won't believe about the Mohamadim huh?
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@riian1946 so everything that God spoke it became him then, your word have no logic, u speak out of emotion.
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
@forramelagalleta Your words are without understanding of the bible's text. Jesus was not spoken as a word. He was the Word from the very beginning. And note, the text, not me says that the Word was with God and was God. Look this up in the New Testament and read it for yourself in John 1.1. The Word spoken of in verse 1 is obviously Jesus because of verse 14 so read that too.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946
Fine... now, what word, what is the meaning of that "word" now?
what does it mean EXACTLY and what does it represent.
please give me a direct answer, not an analogy nor a metaphor.
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
@riian1946
But Jesus was BORN, he didn't just "became flesh and dwelt among us"
now make up your mind "the Word was WITH God or the Word WAS God?
or God was with himself? he cloned himself or something?
Dont get mad at me, you wrote that in your coment, IT'S CONFUSING!!, and the words of God cannot be confusing, otherwise he cannot blame us for our mistakes if the INSTRUCTIONS are not clear!!
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
@forramelagalleta yes, Jesus was born but St John is saying he became flesh (i.e.,human) implying that he wasn't flesh before his birth. He was with God. I understand your confusion. You are working with Allah who is a solitary God. The God of the Bible is more complex than that because He is Triune. I know you reject that and I appreciate that because earlier in my life I tried to live as a Christian without believing in the Trinity too.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 Just to say something further about your comment about confusion. The Lord God is not going to hold you or me responsible for stuff we can't understand rationally. Salvation is by the favour (grace) of God alone not because of our works. You are aware of your many sins just as I am aware of mine. But the sacrifice of Christ has forever dealt with the question of sin for all who believe. John 3.16. Do you know what that blessed verse says? Well Jn 3.15 is also wonderful.
riian1946 2 months ago
.@riian1946
I apreciate your response but im not confused for the exact fact that i worship one God,.
Besides when Jesus talked about the Father, he mentioned as one, "father" he never said PARENTS or THEM , so he is God or part god part human? anyway it cannot be explaines nor reasoned about since 3 being 1 and 1 being 3 is totally out of logic,
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
@forramelagalleta Yes I appreciate you first sentence: with all Xns I worship one God. But we have to remember that we are discussing a Muslim challenge to Christians about Christ's deity being not taught in the Holy Scriptures.Our Faith is under challenge! Christians believe in one Father, one Son and one Holy Spirit; each of these is called God but there is only One God. Our best human theological response to that set of revealed facts is the Trinity.
riian1946 2 months ago
@riian1946 Faith alone is not sificient, it has to have some sort of racional ground for the mind and heart of the human being to accept other wise is just emotion, and emotion has not a solid ground.,
as emotion and pasion are what the devil uses to distract us from god, reason is what keep us in check.
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
@forramelagalleta using faith does not mean the absence of rationality. I am well aware of the point you make here. Nevertheless, when the intellect has done its job then faith must be exercised to accept either Jesus or Muhammad's words. I am a follower of Jesus because I believe he leads me into the heart of God. I class myself as an intellectual (I have a PhD in psychology) but that does not mean that I don't need to exercise faith and trust in something/one beyond ourselves
riian1946 2 months ago
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@riian1946
Exactly the point!, i agree totally with your words here, the senses and intelect give us the tools to grasp that knowledge and asimilate it, but after they cover their ground, there is still more to discover, and that's where faith comes to play.
Many times we plan with full detail, and then something goes wrong, is a clear proof (among many) that something's got more control than us in this world.
I'm glad to find a rational person that understand the proper balance.
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
@riian1946 My second last & last sentences should read, "He also allowed others to call him God such as Thomas with NO suggestion of a rebuke!!! (Jn 20.28). Jesus then equated Thomas' declaration with true belief in Him!!' @DarkestSide 1000 can see none of the mighty implications of these words and this only shows a defiant blindness to the true character of Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
riian1946 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000
Isn't oposite to the glory and majesty of God to humiliate himself to the extent of letting himself be KILLED by his own creation????
God is not needy of the worship of man, only a man feels the need to be recognized and praised.
forramelagalleta 2 months ago
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Something to ponder:
Let's pretend that there is a person living in a far off African village in virtually the middle of nowhere. This person is taught of the existence of the Creator God by the village elder and wishes to have fellowship with Him. If this person acknowledges the existence of the Creator, decides to call Him "Jesus", and places his/her faith in Him for salvation, then who are we to tell this same person that "Jesus is not God"? Go figure...
SylentIntensity1122 3 months ago
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Something to ponder:
Let's pretend that there is a person living in a far off African village in virtually the middle of nowhere. This person is taught of the existence of the Creator God by the village elder and wishes to have fellowship with Him. If this person acknowledges the existence of the Creator, decides to call Him "Jesus", and places his/her faith in Him for salvation, then who are we to tell this same person that "Jesus is not God"? Go figure...
SylentIntensity1122 3 months ago
Jesus pbuh is not a Muslim. He is a Christian but he follows his own teaching from the God. Jesus does not perform the First Tahiyyah during the prayers, he continues till the end... The First Tahiyyah was added by esteemed Muhammad PBUH, permitted by the God SWT, to ease our prayers and not get confused in Zuhr, Asr and Isya'.
DarkestSide1000 3 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 jesus is a muslim.
how can he have been a christian, when he never even heard the word 'christian'
jesus chrsit (pbuh) preached ISLAM.
"I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]
Mancunian786 2 months ago
@Mancunian786
Yes, it is true and I made a mistake by saying Jesus pbuh is a Christian. My fault and I'm sorry. Jesus is a Muslim and preached Islam but what I was trying to put was, the names Islam and Muslim weren't created in his time.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
@DarkestSide1000 lol, no worries.
Mancunian786 2 months ago
The religious leaders were upset with Jesus because by forgiving sins, He made claim to divinity (Matt. 9:1-8). Another place Jesus says "I AM the door," which also infuriated the religious leaders, because the "I AM" was a reference to God who identified Himself to Moses in the burning bush as the "I AM." At any rate, Jesus claimed to be the only way to the father (John 14:6). Any Muslim who denies salvation via Jesus only, must logically call Jesus a liar.
Guyfrommars183 3 months ago
@Guyfrommars183
Nampaknya kamu telah keliru dengan konsep beriman. Tahu kah kamu apa maksud beriman kepada Nabi dan Rasul? Erm... Rasanya kamu tidak faham. Tidak pasti sama ada di dalam agama kamu ada atau tidak konsep beriman kepada nabi dan rasul. Orang Islam tak ada masalah dengan konsep ini.
AkuKiniKembali 3 months ago
@AkuKiniKembali
English, dude... English.
DarkestSide1000 2 months ago
muslim just means he who submits will to god all prophets did so all were muslim fools. im so clever.
sajakram1 3 months ago
of course jesus didnt say he was God...he wasn't even Christian but jewish (you belong to the religion you yourself believe you belong to, not what others think - therefore he was not a muslim). in Judaism it is believed that Jesus was Messiah, the savior sent by God...not God himself.
bobbysuger 3 months ago
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May the Lord Jesus forgive him.
David325ful 3 months ago
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Jesus is the SON of God.
smurfboywv 3 months ago
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BEGOTTEN means to be BORN.
Muslims also BELIEVE THAT because you believe that Mary gave BIRTH (BEGOT) him.
He is Son of God JUST like QURAN says because The SPIRIT of God Inpregnated Mary.
SO the BIBLE and QURAN says the same thing.
Its only you Muslims and Mohammad that are illiterates and can't interprete / understand what your QURAN says.
We Christians therefore have NOTHING to DEFEND.
We only TEACH you your book with REGARDS to Jesus DIVINITY.
mrptmonk 3 months ago 4
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Jesus = God
Note the son's name shall be called The mighty God, etc.:
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ONLY SOME of the MOST POWERFUL PROOFS that JESUS is God
700 yrs before Jesus was born, the Prophet Isiah prophesied the following regarding Jesus IDENTITY:
Isiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son (Jesus) is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, *The mighty God*, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
mrptmonk 3 months ago 3
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The WORLD'S NO 1 ENEMY is SATAN.
WE VIEW ISLAM as SATANIC-INSPIRED & therefore ISLAM is our no 1 ENEMY.
HOW CAN IT NOT BE, when all the acts depicted as EVIL in the BIBLE is actively PROMOTED in ISLAM? e.g.
(1) Kill everyone - non-believers, Muslim apostates & Muslim sinners via Sharia
(2) Commit Adultery & Fornication via Mut'a Marriage, & via marrying of many wives
(3) Idol worship via visit to Mecca & kissing of BLACK STONE VAGINA
(4) Heaven = FUCKing of 72 angels
etc
mrptmonk 3 months ago
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@MUSLIMS
ANOTHER PROOF: Mohammad is a FALSE PROPHET
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JESUS is the CORNER STONE of our BUILDING
(i.e. the Author & Finisher of our FAITH)
First, lets enjoy Bible verses STATING such & then peruse with GAPING mouth Mohammad CLAIMING FALSELY as *ALWAYS* to be same corner stone.
Matthew 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The STONE which the builders rejected, the same is become the head OF the corner
mrptmonk 3 months ago
Face it, Islam and Christianity are two sides of the same coin. Both full of shit, both are havens for hypocrit lunatics, and both are insidious tools to control weak minded morons. The next step for human evolution is to abandon all gods. So far we have forgotten about 4,000 of them...Isis, Jupiter, Thor and the list goes on and on and on and on...
TheSlybunklizard 4 months ago
Jesus said before" Abraham was I AM". Do you understand Jesus said he is God?
hey why are you guys so afraid of Jesus? Why do you try to shut the mouths of Christains and deny Christ?? What are you so afraid of? Why do you force people to become Muslim by fear of death? It's because you are afraid of the Truth, which is this. No Man Comes to the Father but by Christ.
sureshotjay100 4 months ago
@sureshotjay100 is the promise of hell not the exact same thing? according to the general Christian doctrine, if you're not "saved" or "sanctified" or "redeemed," you go to hell. Why do you force people to become Christian by fear of hell?
i'm not afraid of the truth. in fact, it seems you're afraid of admitting how ridiculous your belief often sounds, compounded with shaking in your boots at the uncertainty of death. few of history's truth-seekers have landed on Christianity.
TheSkrillex23 4 months ago
this guy is simply stupid not worth my time ho humm
ferdznidz54 4 months ago
wow..
frankeprater 4 months ago
there is no miracle in the Qur'an except for the Qur'an, well except for MooHaMed ascending into heaven on a donkey . . . <---that sounds pretty miraculous!!!
Jesus claimed to be GOD because he claimed to be able to forgive sins. Only the One originally offended, or the One offended can forgive sins.
you are simpletons misquoting the bible . . . HE IS GOD IN THE FLESH . . . BORN LIKE A LAMB IN A STABLE TO TAKE THE SINS OF THE WORLD AWAY . . . GOD CHOSE THE JEWS INSTEAD OF THE ARABS . . .
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