The idiots that dislike this song are too ignorant to understand the lyrics or the historical facts embedded in these lyrics and most importantly they are the same bigots and lamogia who are responsible for greeces current state of crisis
ΌΛΟΙ ΘΑ ΘΕΛΑΝ ΝΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ , ΑΛΛΑ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΧΑΝ ΤΗΝ ΤΙΜΗ ΝΑ ΚΥΛΗΣΕΙ ΜΕΣΑ ΣΤΙΣ ΦΛΕΒΕΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΙΜΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ,ΚΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΠΝΙΓΕΙ Η ΖΗΛΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΛΕΝΕ ΜΑΛΑΚΙΕΣ ΓΙΑ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ , ΟΤΙ ΔΕΝ ΦΤΑΝΕΙ Η ΑΛΕΠΟΥ ΤΑ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΚΡΕΜΑΣΤΑΡΙΑ...
ΓΙΑΤΙ ΕΓΩ ΕΧΩ ΨΥΧΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΚΑΙ ΘΑ ΧΥΣΩ ΤΟ ΑΙΜΑ ΜΟΥ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΠΑΤΡΙΔΑΡΑ ΜΟΥ! ΑΝ ΧΡΕΙΑΣΤΕΙ.
In modern greek this means simply to carry, and in context it is the carrying of a burden. This is a hopeful note, that the burden of the masquerade will cause the elites to collapse, and finally allow the Greek people to put someone in power who will be focused on the human needs and not the needs of the ruler's ego. It is clear that this song is a call to humanity. To focus on the suffering of the people and not the glory and pride of the statesmen.
The singer wants the elites to stop masquerading as Greek to the world, and do what a person who really identifies with these people whom he calls his fellow Greeks should do, and that is to end a ridiculous campaign that is killing them. Finally again the simplicity of the translation belittles the beauty of the poetry, in the end, "You keep repeating the same LIES(uh-oh capitalization, someone is bitter)", is right but wrong. The key word is "kouvalas"
"Ancient glory" are incorrect. The point is the repetition of the ancient history is to represent a dysfunctional relationship to the heritage that constitutes the culture as pertaining to the elite class. When we can see as again, anyone who actually understand Greek and English does, that the focus of this song is the common man, or Greek, who is fighting for the people who are greedy for land and fame, we see that the singer is calling for the elite to be true Greeks, that is to say
That the lyric and associated imagery, is to give the perspective again, of the common man dying as a soldier, abandoned by the greed of the rulers, Constantine specifically, who is ironically not "Greek". Furthermore there is a rather simplistic understanding of the several mentions to ancient history, the first, being ornaments is right but simplistic. Stolidia, is more of a reference to something that is precious not simply an ornament, and again the last two translations represented as
When the song turns to talking about the serpents, literally the enemies Greece was facing in war, instead of realizing the peril of the push, the elite put on the mask of race and ethnicity, as every one is the balkans has, instead of turning to humanity and realizing that ideals and not worth breaking the spirit and families of the nation. Again the singer talks about meeting his fate as we see pictures of the soldiers. It is obvious to anyone with a sufficient grasp of both english and greek
While I know this is futile: The beginning of the song holds the context, "Den exo dromo oute gitonia na perpatisw mia protomagia", the song is about the disparity between the average Greek and the elite. The elite in essence was blinded by greed and forgot that the cost of their ideals was and still is the blood of their people. Again as has been said, the translation is pretty horrible. There is a difference between stating words and actually constructing sentences.
One of the major reasons Ancient Greeks didn't view Macedonians as Greek was because they repeatedly betrayed the rest of Greece by allowing the Persians to simply waltz through their lands and never helped to defend the common Greek territory. This is probably why Alexander thought it was so important for him to defeat the Persians once and for all. That was the only way the Greeks could re-accept the Macedonians as Greeks and allow Alexander to rule them. So please, lets not skew history.
The Greek government first started betraying Greeks very soon after they won the revolution. This has nothing to do with Greeks not thinking that they're actually Greek; this has to do with the ancient Greek outlook that Greeks who betray Greece and other Greeks subsequently lose the privilege to call themselves Greek,even if they're 100% Greek and born there. By this standard, they are fake Greeks, not real Greeks.
The translation is a bit off, but the more important point here is that you have taken the song completely out of context. This song was written to express the betrayal felt by the Ionian Greeks when they were effectively abandoned and left to ruin by the government of Greece after they lost the Greco-Turkish War of 1919-21.You're using it in a ridiculously misleading manner. I have no problem with Albanians, but I do have a problem with intellectual dishonesty.
We just want the english speaking audience to know the EXACT translation of THAT line. Dont get me wrong its nothing personal. Its just that you should listen to someone else that may know both Greek and English better than you.
Furthermore if it makes you feel bigger or smarter to call someone little or ignorant so be it;)
It makes me feel like I understand more of statistics and its interpretation, because as a matter of fact... working 12 years in the field, does make me think there's very few people who know more than me. And given your previous arguments, I don't think you're one of those few.
And I'm still looking for a proper translation from a "Greek"... What does "Gyftissa maimoun" mean?
(btw, a Greek friend of mine translated that, not me... and he's the one asking me to challenge you!)
I thought saying 3-1 was being cute. Somehow the humour was lost. Anyway you sounded like a reasonable bloke at first till I ventured back through your comments. Any "smart" person would know that an ethnicity is only as good as their political system/history allows. Greece just happens to be a bit messed upfor abc reasons. Do not underestimate the Hellenic soul. 500 years is a mere PAGE in our long, long, long history. I agree with Johnnybutt1313s translation, like=magic word.
uploader u are just a miserable creature trying to twist the facts..... i dont care about ur believes, maybe u are an albanian believing that u were alexander's son, or whatever. i ll tell u about the song. it reffers to the slaughter of smirni, and how our goverment reacted, by solding out army and masses to kemal's knife...
uploader u are just a miserable creature trying to twist the facts..... i dont care about ur believes, maybe u are an albanian believing that u were alexander's son, or whatever. i ll tell u about the song. it reffers to the slaughter of smirni, and how our goverment reacted, by solding out army and masses in the knife of kemal...
qe te kuptoni(vertet)kete kenge ju sugjeroj te gjeni dhe te shikoni filmin REBETIKO.eshte nje filem i KOSTAS FERIS qe meret me zhvillimin paralel te nje zhanri muzikor grek(ngjan me blues),rebetiko me historine e greqise nga 1922 deri me 1944(perafersisht).DO TE ISHTE NJE ARITJE E MADHE KULTURORE DHE SOCIALE SIKUR TE TILLA KENGE DHE FILMA DO ISHIN KRIJUAR DHE NE SHQIPERI.I VETMI KRAHASIM QE MUND TE BEJ ESHTE VETEM ME INTERPRETIMET SOLO NE KLARINET TE LAVER BARIUT,POR PRAP,SI KJO ..............!!
nje kenge e rralle,e shkelqyer greke nga CICANIS.vargjet mund te ishin shkruar edhe nga nje shqiptar dhe ne vend te shprehjes nena ime greqi mund te ishte shkruar "NENA IME SHQIPERI QE FEMIJTE E TU SI SKLLEVER NE PAZARET
(E BOTES)I SHET.por jo!vetem kultura greke kaq demokratike dhe kaq e vertete mund te shprehi dhimbjet,vuajtjet dhe mbijetesen dinjitoze te nje populli gjat shekujve ne nje menyre te tille tragjike dhe heroike njekohesisht.vazhdon
It's not even worth trying to comment on your profile and view on this song - this song is about the anger, the sorrow and the disappointment of the Greeks against their country, against their politicians and élite. For centuries several "neighbours" have tried to subtract our national identity, our history, our language, our land. We lost a lot, but we also managed to keep enough with a lot of blood and fighting. Keep hitting, this old tree has suffered many blows
I am Greek not nationalist... I saw Greek friends down to answer to other Balkanians forgetting the meaning of the song " ...and you put your ancient ornaments" etc NOW WHAT WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM...
But i have to answer to Albanians, Turks, Bulgarians, Serbs etc with a question...
DO YOU HAVE ANY SONG LIKE THIS ABOUT YOU and your COUNTRY?
This song as MANY OTHERS are loved from 80% of the Greek people...ANd this is our great different, dear Balkanians, for many many years, not the DNA....
Economy, philosophy, mathematics, geometry, physics, anatomy are some of the west contemporary civilization's fundamentals (Barbarian also). People use those words every single day without knowing anything about their meaning. A child in Greece has known their meaning since the age of 7. That's my truth.
Ps1. Epiros is derived from the word ΑΠΕΙΡΟΣ and means infinite.
Ps2. In your profile video playing that music, at least tune your instrument if cannot buy a new one
You chase YOUR truth. There isn't only one truth. I have also a truth of mine. At least that's what i have been taught in Greece. Some Greeks talked about shame. It's not a matter of shame, it's a matter of evolution. Your nation's evolution musicofepirus. Nation without knowledge even if it posses the five continents would do nothing. So, if you want to do something for your nation seek for knowledge, not for THE truth (lol).
you are a nationalistic fascist prick of one of the most insignificant countries in the world you alabanian retard...it's fucked up enough to be a fascist...but being one with a country as ridiculus as albania is seriously...pathetic...
@MusicOfEpirus Johnybutt1313 allready answered to you....have you ever seen the movie?Words like "only" or "you" are added without existing in the lyrics....He is talking about him self when he says "gypsie monkey".So the true translation is "you took me to the bassar as a gypsie monkey".He talks about him self !He couldn't insult Greece when in the next sentence is crying about the pains of Greece idiot!
I can't understand what's your point .....but only one to insult and to lie!Bye Bye ape...
@MusicOfEpirus see translating it word for word, like you did would be wrong cz translating, in the case of translating a language, means applying words that make sense in both languages. you clearly got that wrong. and now go on and insult me just to prove that you are the biggest failure and your mother knows it too.
@Johnnybutt1313 δεν ειναι στο τέλος ειναι το πρώτο -πρώτο τραδούδι..και αν ειχες μάθει σωστά ελληνικα θα καταλάβαινες οτι η φράση "γυφτισσα μαιμου" αναφέρεται στο ελληνικό κράτος και τη γελοιότητά του να περιφέρει τα αρχαία κάλλη ζητώντας δάνεια για λαμογια πολιτικάντηδες.
@Johnnybutt1313 δεν ειναι στο τέλος ειναι το πρώτο -πρώτο τραγούδι..και αν ειχες μάθει σωστά ελληνικα θα καταλάβαινες οτι η φράση "γυφτισσα μαιμου" αναφέρεται στο ελληνικό κράτος και τη γελοιότητά του να περιφέρει τα αρχαία κάλλη ζητώντας δάνεια για λαμογια πολιτικάντηδες.
The translation is awful,typical of an simple in mind peasant Albanian.Wtf would somebody translate the word ΑRΕΝΑ into BAZAARS AND SQUARES???Pseudoepirot sqpypis,anything more complicated than working at the oikodomi (I use the greek term because you know it very well)is not suitable for you.Get back to work and stop the activities that require mental qualities.GET BACK TO WORK!!!
Had Venizelos been still in charge between 1920-22 , this would have never happened. That FUCK Kind Constantine was very stupid and greedy. The western portions of asia minor were not enough for him. He wanted to take the whole thing regardless of the LOGISTICAL situation!......Venizelos warned of this, but the fkin morons didn't listen.
the result was decided long before the end of the war!and that decision called for 2 countries "nationally clean",it was acceotable from the :big powers" as well, thus greece with greek speaking christians and turkey with turkish speaking muslims.and both of the sides where very happy with that
adding a question mark does not mean that you yell!!!i just emphasized..!!but anyway,i think you got the point of what i said.if i yelled or not is pointless. :)
speaking with historical facts then,is proved that benizelos was actually playing the game of the british in further dismembering the ottoman empire..!!!
There is but one Hellas. To the West the people were Graeci; to the east, Yunani. But to themselves they were Hellenes. Hellenes held the Balkans, the Aegean Islands and the East for 1100 years. Prior the city states held sway for 600 years. Others came and went. But the Hellenes stayed from 1600 BC to the present.Hellas forever!
Was it Hellas the real people which was called Arberia, and everywhere people went they found people speaking Arberisht and Arvanitika, and decided to bring other and infest the Balkans.
---Shut Up --u dick-Friendly ass-----u garbage race from Sub-Saharan Hybrids--------
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----------Listen to ur Ridiculous music-------
---- with its sounds like he is living in the Harem of Sultans in the Far East of Little Asia
-------And by the way, ---don't forget to wash ur ass --when u done listening to this Fag-song --cuze ur Ass is a Busy-Girl to night --like every night
----Andi-Bajga ---Dote shkerdhej ate kaurken se prapthi -----ose--- kur thote populli ,me ate fjalen qe i shkon per shtat Manes tende te pjerdhur,---Lopthi----
------Dhe t'ja rras edhe njehere ne thybe qe ta bej per Alamet -----Loooooooooooooooooooooooool
--------O te shkerdhefsha ate ruspine qe te ka bere-------mut i mutit----
Ke sto pazari---ine arxidida looool- Na more qirje,-O qirjeeeee hajde te bej nje qirjeeee ----The greek songs are the most Ridiculous, ever cuze greek Language is extremely ridiculous It's a real language for Fags For example_When they say: --Na more file--ela dho moreeeeee Leventi moreee aguuuuss looooool or:---Parashqevi mboris?---Oqiiiiiii Qirjaqi mboris--Oqiiiiiiii savato?---Oqiiiii -Loooooooool Wht kind of shit language -----it's like they are using their ass to talk
albanians have gone crazy since the thing with kosovo (i wont called it liberty because it isnt), they thing that they invented world! during 19 century when all balkan nations were fighting for they liberty albanians did nothing. and now they are dreaming about "great albania"!
You are such a funny guy, maybe if you open a book, you will see who were the fighters that are mentioned in every century, not just 19th century as fighters. Please move on and open a real book, cause is pathetic to hear people who have no clue of their history talk about others.
yes you mean about kastrioti e.t.c. kastrioti fought against turks, but 80% of albania are muslims. there also doubts if kastrioti was albanian. and i know my history much better than you do yours, because greeks existed in ancient times, in roman times, in byzantine times, until today. whats ur history? u didnt even have your own alphabet until 20th century
OMG hahhahahahah you guys and the christian religion is just so funny, and I say that with a lot of sorrow, how you use a religion to make a case.
Nooo we didn't poor us, no wander the Albanian language is the oldest of the Indo-European even older than Greek, you should know this, is in the linguistic tree.
i dont have any obsession with religion and orthodoxy, but during turkish occupation muslim albanians (turkalbanians) were serving in ottoaman army and orthodox albanians were fightinh in the greeks side. its a fact even u like it or not.
about the language the illyrians didn't had left any script so u cant say albanian language is the oldest in europe! u cant even be sure that ur language comes from illyrians.
dont talk about language or civilazation because u are out of the topic....
You are so wrong, about that, and yo should also check who liberated Greece, and what Greece is today, and see the the so called greeks where no near it, beside the Albanians and Vllehs.
As for the language you are not in title to say it is not, as the linguists are saying otherwise, therefore there you go another fail because of your ignorance.
Now please try not to talk about civilization while yours was build by stealing others all the way to customs and traditions.
No the great Albania is the wrong term you use, Ethnic Albania is the right term...;) As for Albanians have been fighting forever, maybe you should open a few more books, otherwise really stop making a fool of yourself.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
and the hate of the albanians towards the greeks is reaching new heights in the internet and specifically in youtube.albanians according to some of their own videos are the only pure race in this earth!!!ofcourse inside their land all u can see is crime,corruption,silly blood feuds against even childres and hate.
honestly stop.. you have no idea of the historic background, context and cultural significance of this song.
you see, as everywhere, there has always been ethnicist propaganda in greece. however just because of its high level of democracy, voices like this heard in this sublime song, judging central ethnicist policies can be heard.
perhaps you should start thinking about the way things work in your country and among your own people.
the balkans are dirty and u prbly know it better than i do.
The Balkans is dirty, and always at the expense of the Albanians. We're trying to clean it... however, the majority are happy with the way things are right now, because they don't live the lives of the ones that suffer and have no home...
They're probably Vlahs or Gyftopntians to whom the Çam homes were given to. Or they are probably Russian/Kurdish early immigrants living in newly-built compounds in pure Arvanite areas of Greece.
Apla oi alloi valkanioi pote de tha kataferoun na krinoun kai ton eafto tous opws ton krinoume emeis. Kanoume tis malakies mas, pathainoume tis simfores mas. Alla meta pada kathomaste na analogistoume "Vre, bas kai itan kapws alliws ta pragmata?". Oi Alvanoi kai oi Turkoi pote de tha boresoun na to kaneoun, giati pada tha drepodai gia afta pou pragmatike ekanan. Kai s opoion aresei!!!
You! What happened in those years! Did the idiot nationalist who thought of Megali Idea, took people from their own land who had been there from beginning of times, like the Chams, and brought in their land and homes Turkish speaking greeks!
You are so confused that you don't even know who transfered a part of the Chams to Turkey and who expatriated millions of Greeks from Turkey. The victor of that war was the Albanian-originating Kemal Ataturk, who signed the victorious for Turkey treaty of Lausanne, which made 1,5 of christians leave Turkey to Greece and 0,5 of muslims (mostly Cretans and Macedonian) leave Greece to Turkey, to fill somehow the "gap" of the Greeks and create the new Turkish nation. So, your complains to Kemal.
It is funny how you make it sound so much better. As there are written documents how the greeks and the priests put the Cham orthodox against the Muslims who were brothers believing different ideas and had never shed blood with one another. No one my friend just gets up and leaves their home land without force.
Your conclusion is too generalized. Also, I didn't say that those people left their homes willingly. The treaty forced them to do so, as the treaty forced the cretan muslims, the macedonian muslims, the pontic christians, the eastern thracian christians, the minor asian christians etc to leave their homes. But it was not Greece that defined the treaty, but the victor of the war (Turkey).
Who and how many were the Cham orthodox that had suffered nothing from their muslim "brothers" before 1923?
Both Turkey and Greece made many selling and buying in the back of other people. It is funny, how Turks did not sign a Treaty to take Albanian muslim from Albanian! Hmmmm tricky tricky. Listen use your common sense.
Yeah for so many years how come both Cham orthodox and Cham Muslims never had a problem, but just about when Treaty started to be signed than problems just appeared to start.
Turks need a muppet country in the western Balkans, they're not fools.
The Cham Muslim possessed big fortunes in relation to their christian neighbors. When Epiros was liberated(1912-1913) the muslim Chams' privilleges were recognised by the greek state. When the 1,5 million refugees came in 1923 from Asia Minor, some of their forunes, (as in all over greece) had to be distributed to the refugees, so that they could live. That's what hurt the innocent muslim Chams: the loss of money!
Yes Turks needed a muppet, that is why there are many documents and photos of greek priests being friendly with their turkish brothers. Remember Albania was the last to fall under the Ottoman rule in Balkans. Not making ourselves blameless, but don't make yourselves perfect either.
Christian priests' original "job" is to be friends with all people, no matter what the race, color, ethnicity, religion is. Albania was not the last to fall (but Montenegro, Herzegovina, etc.), but the first to compromise in the Balkans and the last to rebel (if Albanians ever rebelled) against the Ottoman rule.
Yeah right, please talk to us more about how both priests and Mullahs are such great people. Man you are so out of touch with reality, wake up is 21st century. Priests are humans like all of us, they are not GOD themselves. How many priests have been caught doing disgusting things, same goes from every other religion. Keep reading more, and see that is was the Serbs who brought the Turks to help them in Balkans not Albanians, and that is how Kosova was lost to Turks.
I said how they should be, not how the majority of them really is. A good person doesn't need to be a God to care about his neighbor (even in the 21th century).
I talked about Albanians and your inaccurate comments, but you reply to me about Serbs...interesting reaction!
We still say we're Arvanites and we're proud about it. Arvanites are Greeks as Cretans, Sarakachani, Vlachs, Macedonians, Thracians, Dodecanesians, Eptaneseans, Moraites, Roumeliotes, Karagkounides, Constantinopolitans, Pontians, Minor Asians etc. are and as Chams, Tosks, Gegs, Liaps etc. are Albanians.
soisodoeht Sure you are greek, who your ancestors and even grandparents and parents speak the Arberesh language. Hmmmm, I guess my Greek friend was right about some of you, not the ones that I meet which I told you. He said they act more Greek than us, but we know that they are not Greeks. I am so glad that Greeks used you, and now think of you as just another group of people.
He is down from Pelponezi and his sister was married to an Arvaniti and his nephew is half Arvaniti. I am sure he knows his origin and yours. Actually he is a very smart and very good person. I have never heard that man speak ill of Albanians, actually he has more respect for Albanians, that have flourish even under racism than the young greeks who get wasted and try to get free periusia from their parents.
So, he is from "south to the channel" (kato ap' t'avlaki). That's indicative of who he is. Apparently, I know his origins better than he knows mine.
Personally, I have more respect for the people who have no complexes.
Should the young greeks donnate the periusia of their parents to the flourishing Albanians, rather than inheriting it from their parents? How is that "racism" expressed?
What happened, did a real greek say it like it is for you, and now you are trying to make him feel bad. I doubted he cares, cause at least he knows what he is, and he also states how Greece should stop BS about other peoples mixture, when Greeks are the most mixed population in the Balkans. He has no complexes my dear Arvaniti, he says it like it is.
Who to hell told you about donating!
I am talking about the young generation of Greeks that gets wasted and don't do something for themselves..
Did I say sth bad about him? I said that I know better his origins than he knows mine. I doubt that he has no complexes. Characterizing a whole population non-greek and himself "real greek" is an indication of his complex.
You generalize about the young greek generation. Both you and your friend.
hahha, what happened again you are becoming very defensive, while again some is telling you your true origin, and you are saying how you know him better than he knows you. How so, he was born and raised there, and he also has family by marriage related, so I am sure he has been interested to know about the heritage of his only nephew.
Racism, there are more than 1.5 million Albanians today in Greece the new generation minus you, and the Greek government does not approve for their children to open Albanian language schools, but guess what we had less than 30 thousand greek minority in ALbania and even under the Hoxha regime they had Greek language schools. So you see in a democratic country you do not deprive minorities from their rights.
The Albanians are immigrants. If they want an albanian school they can ask it to their Albanian Government. All Greek immigrants in the USA, Germany, Australia etc. send their children to greek schools created by the greek state. When Erdogan asked Merkel to open turkish schools for the (5 millions)Turks of Germany, Merkel didn't even talked about it. The legal Albanians in Greece are much fewer than 1.5 million and all of them (and the illegal) are educated in greek schools free of charge.
Yes just like here in the states and everywhere they have the right and have schools, but Greece so far has not approve them to open the schools in Albanian language. And please stop with denying with BS, cause it was all the old people who said that Greece was not letting them speak their own language and beating them up. The same think they did with orthodox cham left in Chameria. Stop, no one from different region that never met one another says the same symptoms.
Albanian schools are not forbidden in Greece. Greece just doesn't invest money on Albanian schools, as most European countries for their immigrants. There are many other priorities for the greek educational system.
At least in southern Greece, never happened such a thing. Neither my grand-parents nor my parents were ever beaten in order to use only the greek language. Why should I admit sth else than the truth?
He said he has more respect for Albanians that even coming and working under racism condition in the so called democratic Eladha they still have flourished cause they are hard working people, and their children are the best at school too. Do I sense a jealousy here, that other people are doing better than the ones who are there for centuries!
No I have no such a problem. You haven't answered me yet: how's racism expressed? Why is Ellatha not democratic?
"Better" is so relative...
Why should I be jealous? I've graduated! lol
I respect your friend's opinion but I have more respect for people that have no complexes (either Albanian, or Greek or whatever). That's my opinion, not jealousy.
How's racism expressed! When Greeks came to Albanian, Albanian welcomed them and never forced them to become anything else. In Greece to get the greek citizen passport like lets say here in America you have to chance you nationality as well. Greece is the only country in the world that has not registered minorities, while we know very well, mostly Balkans is mixed of different ethnicity. And for that Greece is under investigation from UN.
When did Greeks came to Albania? Greek state recognizes only Greek citizens and one minority (Treaty of Lausanne-1923). It has the same policies for all the ethnic, linguistic, religious minorities (no discriminations). Greek is the citizenship not the ethnicity. Let the UN investigate Greece. The "mixed Balkans" are a way of the big countries to make people fight each other(see Yugoslavia). The USA has more diversities but all of them are ethnically American.
Maybe you should ask your grandparents, I already told you. Yes they are all Americans, but they are citizen of different minorities too. Learn the difference, they are known who they are, they don't have the American nationality, only the American citizenship. If the Balkan is mixed, than the so called Greek in Albania, should we do the same, and force them to say they are Albanians, and not open schools for them in their language, free of charge by the way, in Greek language.
My grandparents never migrated to Albania. They are all Americans citizens, of American nationality and of various descents. I know the difference and I know what the USA demands so that the immigrants can become American citizens.
The Greeks in Albania are Albanian citizens of greek nationality. You can open no schools for them. You'll be the ones to have the problem since it's a recognized minority as the muslim one in Greece.
It's always good to ask questions even for the things that you know. It's the law of a philosopher. The "why"s never end, but they take the argument in many contradicting directions... out of which, at the end of the day you learn that nothing is true, and nothing is false, and nothing is real, but nothing is unreal, everything is right and wrong, nothing is right or wrong,... etc.
And then you get depressed... but you've at least trained your brain and seen all the points of view.
OK. I don't agree with you (I think that not everybody can answer you specific questions, that there is one truth that people cannot conceive in the same way and that no person can see ALL points of view), but I can see your point of view.
I agree for the right of each minority, But since I live in a country, I have be an correct member of the society and then I have to ask for my rights. I need to fullfils all creteria, like language and education in greek schools, or learn it in minority school. Minority schools do not have to be in other language, but also learn the minority language along with the country's one.But for example, being muslim does not mean any more being turkish also.
An Albanian may be Tosk and be proud of being Tosk and Albanian. The one doesn't exclude the other. I am proud of being Greek and Arvanitis in the sense that I've accepted who I am and my ancestors haven't done sth I should be ashamed of. I don't feel superior to other Greeks, to Albanians, to Turks, to Italians etc. because of my origins. I can be superior to all those people through my actions not through my genes. That's all.
Either you're Arvanitis or you're greek one or the other, I do not think you can have both. You can be a good or a bad person in whatever category you mentioned. Being all those names does not make anyone more superior than the other, or trying to put other people down cause somehow you think that one civilization, brings you more exposure than the other.
You have not understood what I say at all. A people is characterized by a civilization. The civilization I refer to, is the modern one. The modern Greek civilization (at least since the Ottoman Occupation) is generally common for both Arvanites and the rest of the Greeks. If that civilization included the execution of the cheating women, p.ex.,Greeks would be inferior to Albanians.I didn't refer to Antiquity. The Ancient greek civilization is a heritage for the whole world (even for Albanians).
Yes the modern one, when did Greece came out of their poverty, say thank to America, as we know very well, when we came to Greece how it was. Beside the old colons old ancient ruins the rest of the houses where not as better as to the houses we had in the country side in Albania. Albanians actually boomed the Greek economy ans we know that very well, and no one should deny that.
How do I remember all this! Cause I was there from the begining, before the mass of Albanians came in, and saw how the Greek economy boomed after that. Even the greek economists say that. So if Greece does not want the Albanians, I am sure the west is open completely to them, and the moment Albanians leave so does your economy. I would urge you also to take a trip in Albania, and see that after only 17 years democracy they have done great wonders.
OK, Albanians can leave Greece. Greeks have no problem, if they want to. You know, there are plenty of illegal immigrants that can be used in the same way as Albanians were used. You'll see then, many other booms!
What do you mean by "great wonders" and by "democracy"?
The idiots that dislike this song are too ignorant to understand the lyrics or the historical facts embedded in these lyrics and most importantly they are the same bigots and lamogia who are responsible for greeces current state of crisis
vamvakit 2 weeks ago
ΌΛΟΙ ΘΑ ΘΕΛΑΝ ΝΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ , ΑΛΛΑ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΧΑΝ ΤΗΝ ΤΙΜΗ ΝΑ ΚΥΛΗΣΕΙ ΜΕΣΑ ΣΤΙΣ ΦΛΕΒΕΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΙΜΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ,ΚΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΠΝΙΓΕΙ Η ΖΗΛΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΛΕΝΕ ΜΑΛΑΚΙΕΣ ΓΙΑ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ , ΟΤΙ ΔΕΝ ΦΤΑΝΕΙ Η ΑΛΕΠΟΥ ΤΑ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΚΡΕΜΑΣΤΑΡΙΑ...
ΓΙΑΤΙ ΕΓΩ ΕΧΩ ΨΥΧΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΚΑΙ ΘΑ ΧΥΣΩ ΤΟ ΑΙΜΑ ΜΟΥ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΠΑΤΡΙΔΑΡΑ ΜΟΥ! ΑΝ ΧΡΕΙΑΣΤΕΙ.
xortareas1 5 months ago
To say that this video is propaganda one way or the other, is literally undermining the whole point of the music.
caimeno 8 months ago
In modern greek this means simply to carry, and in context it is the carrying of a burden. This is a hopeful note, that the burden of the masquerade will cause the elites to collapse, and finally allow the Greek people to put someone in power who will be focused on the human needs and not the needs of the ruler's ego. It is clear that this song is a call to humanity. To focus on the suffering of the people and not the glory and pride of the statesmen.
caimeno 8 months ago
The singer wants the elites to stop masquerading as Greek to the world, and do what a person who really identifies with these people whom he calls his fellow Greeks should do, and that is to end a ridiculous campaign that is killing them. Finally again the simplicity of the translation belittles the beauty of the poetry, in the end, "You keep repeating the same LIES(uh-oh capitalization, someone is bitter)", is right but wrong. The key word is "kouvalas"
caimeno 8 months ago
"Ancient glory" are incorrect. The point is the repetition of the ancient history is to represent a dysfunctional relationship to the heritage that constitutes the culture as pertaining to the elite class. When we can see as again, anyone who actually understand Greek and English does, that the focus of this song is the common man, or Greek, who is fighting for the people who are greedy for land and fame, we see that the singer is calling for the elite to be true Greeks, that is to say
caimeno 8 months ago
That the lyric and associated imagery, is to give the perspective again, of the common man dying as a soldier, abandoned by the greed of the rulers, Constantine specifically, who is ironically not "Greek". Furthermore there is a rather simplistic understanding of the several mentions to ancient history, the first, being ornaments is right but simplistic. Stolidia, is more of a reference to something that is precious not simply an ornament, and again the last two translations represented as
caimeno 8 months ago
When the song turns to talking about the serpents, literally the enemies Greece was facing in war, instead of realizing the peril of the push, the elite put on the mask of race and ethnicity, as every one is the balkans has, instead of turning to humanity and realizing that ideals and not worth breaking the spirit and families of the nation. Again the singer talks about meeting his fate as we see pictures of the soldiers. It is obvious to anyone with a sufficient grasp of both english and greek
caimeno 8 months ago
While I know this is futile: The beginning of the song holds the context, "Den exo dromo oute gitonia na perpatisw mia protomagia", the song is about the disparity between the average Greek and the elite. The elite in essence was blinded by greed and forgot that the cost of their ideals was and still is the blood of their people. Again as has been said, the translation is pretty horrible. There is a difference between stating words and actually constructing sentences.
caimeno 8 months ago
One of the major reasons Ancient Greeks didn't view Macedonians as Greek was because they repeatedly betrayed the rest of Greece by allowing the Persians to simply waltz through their lands and never helped to defend the common Greek territory. This is probably why Alexander thought it was so important for him to defeat the Persians once and for all. That was the only way the Greeks could re-accept the Macedonians as Greeks and allow Alexander to rule them. So please, lets not skew history.
xgreciandelightx 11 months ago
The Greek government first started betraying Greeks very soon after they won the revolution. This has nothing to do with Greeks not thinking that they're actually Greek; this has to do with the ancient Greek outlook that Greeks who betray Greece and other Greeks subsequently lose the privilege to call themselves Greek,even if they're 100% Greek and born there. By this standard, they are fake Greeks, not real Greeks.
xgreciandelightx 11 months ago
The translation is a bit off, but the more important point here is that you have taken the song completely out of context. This song was written to express the betrayal felt by the Ionian Greeks when they were effectively abandoned and left to ruin by the government of Greece after they lost the Greco-Turkish War of 1919-21.You're using it in a ridiculously misleading manner. I have no problem with Albanians, but I do have a problem with intellectual dishonesty.
xgreciandelightx 11 months ago
Videos of Turkish independence war. How did little Greece try to occupy mighty Turkey? It was crazy dreams. Metaxas was quite right.
Elaksiphenidis 11 months ago
@Johnnybutt1313
@PP1969GR
So its decided.. Wrong translation. I agree-3 against 1 :)
GrHaligonian 1 year ago
3-1 convinces only the little people... smart people know that the majority are ignorants and powerless... so 3-1 means nothing :)
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago 2
@MusicOfEpirus
We just want the english speaking audience to know the EXACT translation of THAT line. Dont get me wrong its nothing personal. Its just that you should listen to someone else that may know both Greek and English better than you.
Furthermore if it makes you feel bigger or smarter to call someone little or ignorant so be it;)
GrHaligonian 1 year ago
It makes me feel like I understand more of statistics and its interpretation, because as a matter of fact... working 12 years in the field, does make me think there's very few people who know more than me. And given your previous arguments, I don't think you're one of those few.
And I'm still looking for a proper translation from a "Greek"... What does "Gyftissa maimoun" mean?
(btw, a Greek friend of mine translated that, not me... and he's the one asking me to challenge you!)
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago 3
@MusicOfEpirus
I thought saying 3-1 was being cute. Somehow the humour was lost. Anyway you sounded like a reasonable bloke at first till I ventured back through your comments. Any "smart" person would know that an ethnicity is only as good as their political system/history allows. Greece just happens to be a bit messed upfor abc reasons. Do not underestimate the Hellenic soul. 500 years is a mere PAGE in our long, long, long history. I agree with Johnnybutt1313s translation, like=magic word.
GrHaligonian 1 year ago
Correction... Long, long, long mythology.
If you were to speak of history, 100 years back it was one and the same with the Albanian/Arban history.
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago 3
@MusicOfEpirus
If you want my opinion when it says *you are the mother of pain* it should be youre the mother of sorrow. kaimos is greek for the pain of the soul.
Cheers p.s, Im Greek-Cypriot
Sokratimba 5 months ago
Translation FAILED.
Wrong translation.
PP1969GR 1 year ago
Let's hear it form you then.
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago
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PP1969GR 1 year ago
uploader u are just a miserable creature trying to twist the facts..... i dont care about ur believes, maybe u are an albanian believing that u were alexander's son, or whatever. i ll tell u about the song. it reffers to the slaughter of smirni, and how our goverment reacted, by solding out army and masses to kemal's knife...
KalasNikov89 1 year ago
uploader u are just a miserable creature trying to twist the facts..... i dont care about ur believes, maybe u are an albanian believing that u were alexander's son, or whatever. i ll tell u about the song. it reffers to the slaughter of smirni, and how our goverment reacted, by solding out army and masses in the knife of kemal...
KalasNikov89 1 year ago
poso palio kai omws poso epikairo
mi131212 1 year ago
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mi131212 1 year ago
qe te kuptoni(vertet)kete kenge ju sugjeroj te gjeni dhe te shikoni filmin REBETIKO.eshte nje filem i KOSTAS FERIS qe meret me zhvillimin paralel te nje zhanri muzikor grek(ngjan me blues),rebetiko me historine e greqise nga 1922 deri me 1944(perafersisht).DO TE ISHTE NJE ARITJE E MADHE KULTURORE DHE SOCIALE SIKUR TE TILLA KENGE DHE FILMA DO ISHIN KRIJUAR DHE NE SHQIPERI.I VETMI KRAHASIM QE MUND TE BEJ ESHTE VETEM ME INTERPRETIMET SOLO NE KLARINET TE LAVER BARIUT,POR PRAP,SI KJO ..............!!
nobody6893 1 year ago
nje kenge e rralle,e shkelqyer greke nga CICANIS.vargjet mund te ishin shkruar edhe nga nje shqiptar dhe ne vend te shprehjes nena ime greqi mund te ishte shkruar "NENA IME SHQIPERI QE FEMIJTE E TU SI SKLLEVER NE PAZARET
(E BOTES)I SHET.por jo!vetem kultura greke kaq demokratike dhe kaq e vertete mund te shprehi dhimbjet,vuajtjet dhe mbijetesen dinjitoze te nje populli gjat shekujve ne nje menyre te tille tragjike dhe heroike njekohesisht.vazhdon
nobody6893 1 year ago
It's not even worth trying to comment on your profile and view on this song - this song is about the anger, the sorrow and the disappointment of the Greeks against their country, against their politicians and élite. For centuries several "neighbours" have tried to subtract our national identity, our history, our language, our land. We lost a lot, but we also managed to keep enough with a lot of blood and fighting. Keep hitting, this old tree has suffered many blows
Mandrake1981 1 year ago
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nasiaq2 1 year ago
I am Greek not nationalist... I saw Greek friends down to answer to other Balkanians forgetting the meaning of the song " ...and you put your ancient ornaments" etc NOW WHAT WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM...
But i have to answer to Albanians, Turks, Bulgarians, Serbs etc with a question...
DO YOU HAVE ANY SONG LIKE THIS ABOUT YOU and your COUNTRY?
This song as MANY OTHERS are loved from 80% of the Greek people...ANd this is our great different, dear Balkanians, for many many years, not the DNA....
nskgree 1 year ago
A fantastic Greek song, and a great Greek movie.
acheron112 1 year ago
kapia prammata allazoun... kapia, opos fainetai, oxi... :(
eimai 1/4 Ellinas, 3/4 Roumanos
ma megalosa stin Ellada, kai ponao otan tin vlepo na ponaei.
Ah re mana pou tros ta idia sou ta paidia :\
ntnimara 1 year ago
Apisteyta anaxronistiko ;)... poulithikame totes, kai poulithikame kai simera.
urbandog9999 1 year ago
ellada ellada mana tou kaimou!!! megalos stoixos !! mia zwi thysiazontai ta "paidia" tis !!! zitw to ethnos!!!!
realpanatha13 1 year ago
Ps3 den exei?
XxSniperRepivxX 1 year ago
Economy, philosophy, mathematics, geometry, physics, anatomy are some of the west contemporary civilization's fundamentals (Barbarian also). People use those words every single day without knowing anything about their meaning. A child in Greece has known their meaning since the age of 7. That's my truth.
Ps1. Epiros is derived from the word ΑΠΕΙΡΟΣ and means infinite.
Ps2. In your profile video playing that music, at least tune your instrument if cannot buy a new one
harrucci 1 year ago
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harrucci 1 year ago
You chase YOUR truth. There isn't only one truth. I have also a truth of mine. At least that's what i have been taught in Greece. Some Greeks talked about shame. It's not a matter of shame, it's a matter of evolution. Your nation's evolution musicofepirus. Nation without knowledge even if it posses the five continents would do nothing. So, if you want to do something for your nation seek for knowledge, not for THE truth (lol).
harrucci 1 year ago
you are a nationalistic fascist prick of one of the most insignificant countries in the world you alabanian retard...it's fucked up enough to be a fascist...but being one with a country as ridiculus as albania is seriously...pathetic...
Atreas40000 1 year ago
αντε γαμήσου σκατο αλβανέ! ( it means fuck you you albanian piece of shit, in case you are wandering!
Atreas40000 1 year ago
I prove my love towards the real people as the composer of the song :D
I only chase the truth, even when it hurts.
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago
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harrucci 1 year ago
@PoseidonGRE let's see how you translate it. just don't INTERPRET... translate it word per word!
MusicOfEpirus 2 years ago
@MusicOfEpirus Johnybutt1313 allready answered to you....have you ever seen the movie?Words like "only" or "you" are added without existing in the lyrics....He is talking about him self when he says "gypsie monkey".So the true translation is "you took me to the bassar as a gypsie monkey".He talks about him self !He couldn't insult Greece when in the next sentence is crying about the pains of Greece idiot!
I can't understand what's your point .....but only one to insult and to lie!Bye Bye ape...
PoseidonGRE 2 years ago 5
@MusicOfEpirus see translating it word for word, like you did would be wrong cz translating, in the case of translating a language, means applying words that make sense in both languages. you clearly got that wrong. and now go on and insult me just to prove that you are the biggest failure and your mother knows it too.
ebebimik 1 year ago
just one thing about the transation
the part gypsy monkey it doent talk about greece but about himself
the right should be: to the bazzar u sent me (like) a gypsy monkey
this song and video is the end of a greek movie rebetiko 1983
its sad to use this video and song for nationalistic matters + your profile is retard
Johnnybutt1313 2 years ago
@Johnnybutt1313 esi gyftissa maimou... means YOU GYPSY MONKEY
Even if this wasn't true... what's the point? There's enough shit in the song to cover the rest of your fake pride.
Cheers mate and open your eyes.
MusicOfEpirus 2 years ago
@Johnnybutt1313
yes you have right > gypsy monkey >means the monkeys that gypsies used for entertaining the people at the bazzars (taking money)
nskgree 1 year ago
@Johnnybutt1313 δεν ειναι στο τέλος ειναι το πρώτο -πρώτο τραδούδι..και αν ειχες μάθει σωστά ελληνικα θα καταλάβαινες οτι η φράση "γυφτισσα μαιμου" αναφέρεται στο ελληνικό κράτος και τη γελοιότητά του να περιφέρει τα αρχαία κάλλη ζητώντας δάνεια για λαμογια πολιτικάντηδες.
malehawk 1 year ago 2
@malehawk den einai thema gnwsis ellinikwn einai thema erminias mias metaforikis ekfrasis
o kathenas to vlepei opws thelei kai esy gia kapoio mistirio logo thes etsi dikaiwma sou den lew alla arakse epeidi akous pulp den egines poiitis
Johnnybutt1313 1 year ago
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@Johnnybutt1313 δεν ειναι στο τέλος ειναι το πρώτο -πρώτο τραγούδι..και αν ειχες μάθει σωστά ελληνικα θα καταλάβαινες οτι η φράση "γυφτισσα μαιμου" αναφέρεται στο ελληνικό κράτος και τη γελοιότητά του να περιφέρει τα αρχαία κάλλη ζητώντας δάνεια για λαμογια πολιτικάντηδες.
malehawk 1 year ago
Δεν έχω άγιο για να προσκυνώ ούτε καντήλι σ' άδειο ουρανό!!!!
Allornon 2 years ago 2
Thank you for translation !!! Greetings from Serbia
timirecimolimte 2 years ago 2
greetings from greece my friend
FOITITESOIKONOMIKON 2 years ago
greece-serbia we are brothers..kosovo is serbia my friend...... :)
MrHeaven3 2 years ago 4
hhhaaaaa this video for sure gona drive gayreeks grazy,,,hhhaaa funy one
sweetalkerab 2 years ago
I hope this is the last night that you are alive...
FOITITESOIKONOMIKON 2 years ago
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Johnnybutt1313 2 years ago
@sweetalkerab retard the video and song is from a greek movie
fucking ape
Johnnybutt1313 2 years ago 3
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The translation is awful,typical of an simple in mind peasant Albanian.Wtf would somebody translate the word ΑRΕΝΑ into BAZAARS AND SQUARES???Pseudoepirot sqpypis,anything more complicated than working at the oikodomi (I use the greek term because you know it very well)is not suitable for you.Get back to work and stop the activities that require mental qualities.GET BACK TO WORK!!!
gkioniskk 2 years ago
Had Venizelos been still in charge between 1920-22 , this would have never happened. That FUCK Kind Constantine was very stupid and greedy. The western portions of asia minor were not enough for him. He wanted to take the whole thing regardless of the LOGISTICAL situation!......Venizelos warned of this, but the fkin morons didn't listen.
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
KING CONSTANTINE, (typo above)
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
the result was decided long before the end of the war!and that decision called for 2 countries "nationally clean",it was acceotable from the :big powers" as well, thus greece with greek speaking christians and turkey with turkish speaking muslims.and both of the sides where very happy with that
exilefromthefireland 2 years ago
why are you yelling?
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
who yelled??
exilefromthefireland 2 years ago
you did in your first sentence-------------->
"the result was decided long before the end of the war! "
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
adding a question mark does not mean that you yell!!!i just emphasized..!!but anyway,i think you got the point of what i said.if i yelled or not is pointless. :)
exilefromthefireland 2 years ago
Well your point was, to add some comment of your own. I see no proof that what you say is historical fact.
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
speaking with historical facts then,is proved that benizelos was actually playing the game of the british in further dismembering the ottoman empire..!!!
exilefromthefireland 2 years ago
thats not the same thing that you mentioned in your first reply, which you still have not provided proof for :)
MrSkaramanga 2 years ago
ha ha ha ha ha ha
kastriotian 2 years ago 2
There is but one Hellas. To the West the people were Graeci; to the east, Yunani. But to themselves they were Hellenes. Hellenes held the Balkans, the Aegean Islands and the East for 1100 years. Prior the city states held sway for 600 years. Others came and went. But the Hellenes stayed from 1600 BC to the present.Hellas forever!
fidokalman 2 years ago 2
Was it Hellas the real people which was called Arberia, and everywhere people went they found people speaking Arberisht and Arvanitika, and decided to bring other and infest the Balkans.
topallia 2 years ago 4
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Fuck Albania...! :)
TheVirusGR 2 years ago
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it makes u wonder...
millions visit greece everysingle year.
no one visits albania.
i wonder why...
andytsa 2 years ago
----------They visit Greece cuze Greece is GOMORRAH of modern times----------
aspetosi 2 years ago 6
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hi albanian!
master of the donkey thieves!lmao!
dude north corea is more advanced than albania!
andytsa 2 years ago
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---Shut Up --u dick-Friendly ass-----u garbage race from Sub-Saharan Hybrids--------
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----------Listen to ur Ridiculous music-------
---- with its sounds like he is living in the Harem of Sultans in the Far East of Little Asia
-------And by the way, ---don't forget to wash ur ass --when u done listening to this Fag-song --cuze ur Ass is a Busy-Girl to night --like every night
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
aspetosi 2 years ago
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hohoho albanian donkey man wassuuupp??
go drink some goat milk and come by later to collect my grandmas olives you silly mafaka!lmao!
andytsa 2 years ago
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dude...
your face in your profile pic!!!!
a cool albanian donkey rider!!!!lmao!
andytsa 2 years ago
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dude!!!
you look like a cock with cheap sunglasses!
for real everyone!check aspetosi's channel!!!!
andytsa 2 years ago
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----Andi-Bajga ---Dote shkerdhej ate kaurken se prapthi -----ose--- kur thote populli ,me ate fjalen qe i shkon per shtat Manes tende te pjerdhur,---Lopthi----
------Dhe t'ja rras edhe njehere ne thybe qe ta bej per Alamet -----Loooooooooooooooooooooooool
--------O te shkerdhefsha ate ruspine qe te ka bere-------mut i mutit----
aspetosi 2 years ago 2
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-----And by thew way---Keep this like a record :
-----------The Shit of Albanians have 10 Times more Dignity ----
----than 10 Million Fag-Greeks together---------------
As a matter of fact ---I have some doubt about it-- Cuze I'm not sure , Its' 10 times or 10 thousand times
---But ok, Let's suppose It's 10 times, when it comes from my Diarrhea--
---U are Lucky people----cuze I'm a Generous man toward Fags, like u
Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
aspetosi 2 years ago
Hey so have you burned anything yet?
How's tourism going in Greece lately with you subhumans.
Greece 0 minority report..hahhahahah but filled with gypsies beside the Arvanites and Albanians cause they are one anyway.
topallia 2 years ago
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albanians have gone crazy since the thing with kosovo (i wont called it liberty because it isnt), they thing that they invented world! during 19 century when all balkan nations were fighting for they liberty albanians did nothing. and now they are dreaming about "great albania"!
dmsxxx 2 years ago
You are such a funny guy, maybe if you open a book, you will see who were the fighters that are mentioned in every century, not just 19th century as fighters. Please move on and open a real book, cause is pathetic to hear people who have no clue of their history talk about others.
topallia 2 years ago 9
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yes you mean about kastrioti e.t.c. kastrioti fought against turks, but 80% of albania are muslims. there also doubts if kastrioti was albanian. and i know my history much better than you do yours, because greeks existed in ancient times, in roman times, in byzantine times, until today. whats ur history? u didnt even have your own alphabet until 20th century
dmsxxx 2 years ago
OMG hahhahahahah you guys and the christian religion is just so funny, and I say that with a lot of sorrow, how you use a religion to make a case.
Nooo we didn't poor us, no wander the Albanian language is the oldest of the Indo-European even older than Greek, you should know this, is in the linguistic tree.
Bye..;)
topallia 2 years ago 2
i dont have any obsession with religion and orthodoxy, but during turkish occupation muslim albanians (turkalbanians) were serving in ottoaman army and orthodox albanians were fightinh in the greeks side. its a fact even u like it or not.
about the language the illyrians didn't had left any script so u cant say albanian language is the oldest in europe! u cant even be sure that ur language comes from illyrians.
dont talk about language or civilazation because u are out of the topic....
bye....
dmsxxx 2 years ago
You are so wrong, about that, and yo should also check who liberated Greece, and what Greece is today, and see the the so called greeks where no near it, beside the Albanians and Vllehs.
As for the language you are not in title to say it is not, as the linguists are saying otherwise, therefore there you go another fail because of your ignorance.
Now please try not to talk about civilization while yours was build by stealing others all the way to customs and traditions.
Bye...
topallia 2 years ago
There are no doubts that he's Albanian,He's Albanian you dumbfuck!
+ Albanias became moslim when they started to abondon hope when Skanderbe died :D Thats all ,you pathetic gayturkslaviclord
Albanian2Be 2 years ago
No the great Albania is the wrong term you use, Ethnic Albania is the right term...;) As for Albanians have been fighting forever, maybe you should open a few more books, otherwise really stop making a fool of yourself.
topallia 2 years ago
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the guy who uploaded this doesnt understand a single word or any meaning whatsoever this great song has.
greece is a wonderfull land with glorious past,troubled past,troubled present and future,glorious present and future.love from greece
andytsa 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
and the hate of the albanians towards the greeks is reaching new heights in the internet and specifically in youtube.albanians according to some of their own videos are the only pure race in this earth!!!ofcourse inside their land all u can see is crime,corruption,silly blood feuds against even childres and hate.
andytsa 2 years ago
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VirusMagic 2 years ago
TI TRAGOYDI RE PAIDIA ... TELEIO
EllasDans 2 years ago 2
Terrific video about the Pseudo-Greeks!
They love to repeat their lies and propaganda!
greekliersandthieves 2 years ago 2
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honestly stop.. you have no idea of the historic background, context and cultural significance of this song.
you see, as everywhere, there has always been ethnicist propaganda in greece. however just because of its high level of democracy, voices like this heard in this sublime song, judging central ethnicist policies can be heard.
perhaps you should start thinking about the way things work in your country and among your own people.
the balkans are dirty and u prbly know it better than i do.
isthispleasure 2 years ago
The significance of the song is in its context.
The Balkans is dirty, and always at the expense of the Albanians. We're trying to clean it... however, the majority are happy with the way things are right now, because they don't live the lives of the ones that suffer and have no home...
They're probably Vlahs or Gyftopntians to whom the Çam homes were given to. Or they are probably Russian/Kurdish early immigrants living in newly-built compounds in pure Arvanite areas of Greece.
MusicOfEpirus 2 years ago
jerete pianou ine ?
billeison 3 years ago
ta qifja manen ne pidh, koke loqe
korca8albania 3 years ago 4
eleos! alvanos anevase tetoio video! ti allo 8a doume?
Ronin2011 3 years ago 2
Apla oi alloi valkanioi pote de tha kataferoun na krinoun kai ton eafto tous opws ton krinoume emeis. Kanoume tis malakies mas, pathainoume tis simfores mas. Alla meta pada kathomaste na analogistoume "Vre, bas kai itan kapws alliws ta pragmata?". Oi Alvanoi kai oi Turkoi pote de tha boresoun na to kaneoun, giati pada tha drepodai gia afta pou pragmatike ekanan. Kai s opoion aresei!!!
YiannisThiakos 2 years ago 3
You! What happened in those years! Did the idiot nationalist who thought of Megali Idea, took people from their own land who had been there from beginning of times, like the Chams, and brought in their land and homes Turkish speaking greeks!
topallia 3 years ago
You are so confused that you don't even know who transfered a part of the Chams to Turkey and who expatriated millions of Greeks from Turkey. The victor of that war was the Albanian-originating Kemal Ataturk, who signed the victorious for Turkey treaty of Lausanne, which made 1,5 of christians leave Turkey to Greece and 0,5 of muslims (mostly Cretans and Macedonian) leave Greece to Turkey, to fill somehow the "gap" of the Greeks and create the new Turkish nation. So, your complains to Kemal.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
It is funny how you make it sound so much better. As there are written documents how the greeks and the priests put the Cham orthodox against the Muslims who were brothers believing different ideas and had never shed blood with one another. No one my friend just gets up and leaves their home land without force.
topallia 3 years ago
Your conclusion is too generalized. Also, I didn't say that those people left their homes willingly. The treaty forced them to do so, as the treaty forced the cretan muslims, the macedonian muslims, the pontic christians, the eastern thracian christians, the minor asian christians etc to leave their homes. But it was not Greece that defined the treaty, but the victor of the war (Turkey).
Who and how many were the Cham orthodox that had suffered nothing from their muslim "brothers" before 1923?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Well generalized it what you guys are good at!
Both Turkey and Greece made many selling and buying in the back of other people. It is funny, how Turks did not sign a Treaty to take Albanian muslim from Albanian! Hmmmm tricky tricky. Listen use your common sense.
Yeah for so many years how come both Cham orthodox and Cham Muslims never had a problem, but just about when Treaty started to be signed than problems just appeared to start.
topallia 3 years ago 2
Turks need a muppet country in the western Balkans, they're not fools.
The Cham Muslim possessed big fortunes in relation to their christian neighbors. When Epiros was liberated(1912-1913) the muslim Chams' privilleges were recognised by the greek state. When the 1,5 million refugees came in 1923 from Asia Minor, some of their forunes, (as in all over greece) had to be distributed to the refugees, so that they could live. That's what hurt the innocent muslim Chams: the loss of money!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Yes Turks needed a muppet, that is why there are many documents and photos of greek priests being friendly with their turkish brothers. Remember Albania was the last to fall under the Ottoman rule in Balkans. Not making ourselves blameless, but don't make yourselves perfect either.
topallia 3 years ago 2
Christian priests' original "job" is to be friends with all people, no matter what the race, color, ethnicity, religion is. Albania was not the last to fall (but Montenegro, Herzegovina, etc.), but the first to compromise in the Balkans and the last to rebel (if Albanians ever rebelled) against the Ottoman rule.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Yeah right, please talk to us more about how both priests and Mullahs are such great people. Man you are so out of touch with reality, wake up is 21st century. Priests are humans like all of us, they are not GOD themselves. How many priests have been caught doing disgusting things, same goes from every other religion. Keep reading more, and see that is was the Serbs who brought the Turks to help them in Balkans not Albanians, and that is how Kosova was lost to Turks.
topallia 3 years ago
I said how they should be, not how the majority of them really is. A good person doesn't need to be a God to care about his neighbor (even in the 21th century).
I talked about Albanians and your inaccurate comments, but you reply to me about Serbs...interesting reaction!
soisodoeht 3 years ago
if albanians didnt then you wouldnt say you are greek today you would still say you are arvanite
bylysi 3 years ago
We still say we're Arvanites and we're proud about it. Arvanites are Greeks as Cretans, Sarakachani, Vlachs, Macedonians, Thracians, Dodecanesians, Eptaneseans, Moraites, Roumeliotes, Karagkounides, Constantinopolitans, Pontians, Minor Asians etc. are and as Chams, Tosks, Gegs, Liaps etc. are Albanians.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
soisodoeht Sure you are greek, who your ancestors and even grandparents and parents speak the Arberesh language. Hmmmm, I guess my Greek friend was right about some of you, not the ones that I meet which I told you. He said they act more Greek than us, but we know that they are not Greeks. I am so glad that Greeks used you, and now think of you as just another group of people.
topallia 3 years ago
OK.What are the origins of your friend? Where is he from?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
He is down from Pelponezi and his sister was married to an Arvaniti and his nephew is half Arvaniti. I am sure he knows his origin and yours. Actually he is a very smart and very good person. I have never heard that man speak ill of Albanians, actually he has more respect for Albanians, that have flourish even under racism than the young greeks who get wasted and try to get free periusia from their parents.
topallia 3 years ago
So, he is from "south to the channel" (kato ap' t'avlaki). That's indicative of who he is. Apparently, I know his origins better than he knows mine.
Personally, I have more respect for the people who have no complexes.
Should the young greeks donnate the periusia of their parents to the flourishing Albanians, rather than inheriting it from their parents? How is that "racism" expressed?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
What happened, did a real greek say it like it is for you, and now you are trying to make him feel bad. I doubted he cares, cause at least he knows what he is, and he also states how Greece should stop BS about other peoples mixture, when Greeks are the most mixed population in the Balkans. He has no complexes my dear Arvaniti, he says it like it is.
Who to hell told you about donating!
I am talking about the young generation of Greeks that gets wasted and don't do something for themselves..
topallia 3 years ago
Did I say sth bad about him? I said that I know better his origins than he knows mine. I doubt that he has no complexes. Characterizing a whole population non-greek and himself "real greek" is an indication of his complex.
You generalize about the young greek generation. Both you and your friend.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
hahha, what happened again you are becoming very defensive, while again some is telling you your true origin, and you are saying how you know him better than he knows you. How so, he was born and raised there, and he also has family by marriage related, so I am sure he has been interested to know about the heritage of his only nephew.
topallia 3 years ago
I have my reasons to say that and I can analyse it to you through pm.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Racism, there are more than 1.5 million Albanians today in Greece the new generation minus you, and the Greek government does not approve for their children to open Albanian language schools, but guess what we had less than 30 thousand greek minority in ALbania and even under the Hoxha regime they had Greek language schools. So you see in a democratic country you do not deprive minorities from their rights.
topallia 3 years ago
The Albanians are immigrants. If they want an albanian school they can ask it to their Albanian Government. All Greek immigrants in the USA, Germany, Australia etc. send their children to greek schools created by the greek state. When Erdogan asked Merkel to open turkish schools for the (5 millions)Turks of Germany, Merkel didn't even talked about it. The legal Albanians in Greece are much fewer than 1.5 million and all of them (and the illegal) are educated in greek schools free of charge.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Yes just like here in the states and everywhere they have the right and have schools, but Greece so far has not approve them to open the schools in Albanian language. And please stop with denying with BS, cause it was all the old people who said that Greece was not letting them speak their own language and beating them up. The same think they did with orthodox cham left in Chameria. Stop, no one from different region that never met one another says the same symptoms.
topallia 3 years ago
Albanian schools are not forbidden in Greece. Greece just doesn't invest money on Albanian schools, as most European countries for their immigrants. There are many other priorities for the greek educational system.
At least in southern Greece, never happened such a thing. Neither my grand-parents nor my parents were ever beaten in order to use only the greek language. Why should I admit sth else than the truth?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Do you have a problem reading or comprehending.
He said he has more respect for Albanians that even coming and working under racism condition in the so called democratic Eladha they still have flourished cause they are hard working people, and their children are the best at school too. Do I sense a jealousy here, that other people are doing better than the ones who are there for centuries!
topallia 3 years ago
No I have no such a problem. You haven't answered me yet: how's racism expressed? Why is Ellatha not democratic?
"Better" is so relative...
Why should I be jealous? I've graduated! lol
I respect your friend's opinion but I have more respect for people that have no complexes (either Albanian, or Greek or whatever). That's my opinion, not jealousy.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
How's racism expressed! When Greeks came to Albanian, Albanian welcomed them and never forced them to become anything else. In Greece to get the greek citizen passport like lets say here in America you have to chance you nationality as well. Greece is the only country in the world that has not registered minorities, while we know very well, mostly Balkans is mixed of different ethnicity. And for that Greece is under investigation from UN.
topallia 3 years ago
When did Greeks came to Albania? Greek state recognizes only Greek citizens and one minority (Treaty of Lausanne-1923). It has the same policies for all the ethnic, linguistic, religious minorities (no discriminations). Greek is the citizenship not the ethnicity. Let the UN investigate Greece. The "mixed Balkans" are a way of the big countries to make people fight each other(see Yugoslavia). The USA has more diversities but all of them are ethnically American.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Maybe you should ask your grandparents, I already told you. Yes they are all Americans, but they are citizen of different minorities too. Learn the difference, they are known who they are, they don't have the American nationality, only the American citizenship. If the Balkan is mixed, than the so called Greek in Albania, should we do the same, and force them to say they are Albanians, and not open schools for them in their language, free of charge by the way, in Greek language.
topallia 3 years ago
My grandparents never migrated to Albania. They are all Americans citizens, of American nationality and of various descents. I know the difference and I know what the USA demands so that the immigrants can become American citizens.
The Greeks in Albania are Albanian citizens of greek nationality. You can open no schools for them. You'll be the ones to have the problem since it's a recognized minority as the muslim one in Greece.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
I did not talk about your grandparents in particular.
LMAOOO, I will let you read your own reply and see the way you explain one side and the next has different rules in your view. hahhahah hmmm OK!
topallia 3 years ago
I think that my reply is OK. If you don't understand it, nevermind.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
No you don't that is why I laughed.
topallia 3 years ago
I do think and it is OK. Only ignorants laugh...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Ignorant sees and ignorant does I guess!
topallia 3 years ago
Ignorant sees what his ignorance allows him to see and does a lot of guesses, since he ignores the truth.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
i guess we all have to learn a bit from it ;)
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
Sure, you have to...
soisodoeht 3 years ago
that included you as well.
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
I was kidding... But, generally, I never guess. When I say sth I'm sure about it. When I am not sure about sth, I've no problem to admit it.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
It's always good to ask questions even for the things that you know. It's the law of a philosopher. The "why"s never end, but they take the argument in many contradicting directions... out of which, at the end of the day you learn that nothing is true, and nothing is false, and nothing is real, but nothing is unreal, everything is right and wrong, nothing is right or wrong,... etc.
And then you get depressed... but you've at least trained your brain and seen all the points of view.
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
OK. I don't agree with you (I think that not everybody can answer you specific questions, that there is one truth that people cannot conceive in the same way and that no person can see ALL points of view), but I can see your point of view.
soisodoeht 3 years ago
The moment someone will consider themselves more knowledgeable, that the moment they declared how ignorant they were and will become.
So as MusicOfEpirus said that includes you too.
topallia 3 years ago 3
plz albo watch ur videos..
Sharped1Arrow 3 years ago
What I am saying is that we have more democratic ways to treat our minorities and acknowledge them, than the so called Greeks.
topallia 3 years ago
I agree for the right of each minority, But since I live in a country, I have be an correct member of the society and then I have to ask for my rights. I need to fullfils all creteria, like language and education in greek schools, or learn it in minority school. Minority schools do not have to be in other language, but also learn the minority language along with the country's one.But for example, being muslim does not mean any more being turkish also.
YiannisThiakos 2 years ago
-----------Greek language is so called difficult cuze it's ---A SALAD -----
-----------OF Egyptian, Syrian, Slavian, Albanian, Vallahian, Turkish, Ethiopian etc languages
---So it's not a Language, it's A SALAD that's why
aspetosi 2 years ago 2
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gousisGRpreveza 2 years ago
no you say you are greek.you are proud of it when you need to make a political statement.thats as far as you are an arvanite.
yes yes whatever.
bylysi 3 years ago
An Albanian may be Tosk and be proud of being Tosk and Albanian. The one doesn't exclude the other. I am proud of being Greek and Arvanitis in the sense that I've accepted who I am and my ancestors haven't done sth I should be ashamed of. I don't feel superior to other Greeks, to Albanians, to Turks, to Italians etc. because of my origins. I can be superior to all those people through my actions not through my genes. That's all.
soisodoeht 3 years ago 2
Either you're Arvanitis or you're greek one or the other, I do not think you can have both. You can be a good or a bad person in whatever category you mentioned. Being all those names does not make anyone more superior than the other, or trying to put other people down cause somehow you think that one civilization, brings you more exposure than the other.
topallia 3 years ago
You have not understood what I say at all. A people is characterized by a civilization. The civilization I refer to, is the modern one. The modern Greek civilization (at least since the Ottoman Occupation) is generally common for both Arvanites and the rest of the Greeks. If that civilization included the execution of the cheating women, p.ex.,Greeks would be inferior to Albanians.I didn't refer to Antiquity. The Ancient greek civilization is a heritage for the whole world (even for Albanians).
soisodoeht 3 years ago
Yes the modern one, when did Greece came out of their poverty, say thank to America, as we know very well, when we came to Greece how it was. Beside the old colons old ancient ruins the rest of the houses where not as better as to the houses we had in the country side in Albania. Albanians actually boomed the Greek economy ans we know that very well, and no one should deny that.
topallia 3 years ago
How do you remember all these? How old are you?
When did Albanians boomed Greek economy? Recently or in the past?
soisodoeht 3 years ago
How do I remember all this! Cause I was there from the begining, before the mass of Albanians came in, and saw how the Greek economy boomed after that. Even the greek economists say that. So if Greece does not want the Albanians, I am sure the west is open completely to them, and the moment Albanians leave so does your economy. I would urge you also to take a trip in Albania, and see that after only 17 years democracy they have done great wonders.
topallia 3 years ago
OK, Albanians can leave Greece. Greeks have no problem, if they want to. You know, there are plenty of illegal immigrants that can be used in the same way as Albanians were used. You'll see then, many other booms!
What do you mean by "great wonders" and by "democracy"?
soisodoeht 3 years ago