Championnat du Monde - Savate Combat - 2007

[15h0tmy531f]

the body suits are like so fabulous like lol :D

[l2a3sterling]

"kick like a Thai? As I said many martial arts have shin kicks...."

I prefer kicking with my femur ..............one of the bigest bones in my body! Its somewhat limited in reach however.

[boritomc]

if you get a hard punch or a kick in the face you might be knocked out - doesnt matter if it was a muay-thai punch or a savate-punch. i dont get the point of all that comparing...

[123puta3]

agree

[pedosanto]

Comparing martial art styles and saying one is better than the other is a fruitless thing to do and is just a waste of your time.

Just to the martial art/sport you love and let others do the same.

[ephasm]

lol what's that got to do with it? My point is that i don't need to rely on ANYTHING but myself, no matter what i'm wearing.

[vincent4500]

as Bruce Lee used to say, the results you get reflect the training you do...that is if you must train in appropriate CONDITIONS for what you're aiming for..you don't see swimmers training MAINLY for swimming by running, do you ?or runners training by swimming in the main..right? if you train mainly in muay thai gear don't forget on the street you ain't gonna be in muay thai shorts and have the lightness of no shoes ..you dumbass..train for reality in real conditions!

[ephasm]

Lol mate you're missing the point entirely - i dont NEED shorts to fight. and savate DOESNT use trainers - it uses specially designed shoes with a very hard sole to cause harm.

Learn a bit about fighting mate before you start mouthing off like a retard.

[NightmareKage]

Wow. I always said that there wasn't any martial arts stronger than another. Still... Sorry to say, but this looks like people who don't know to fight.

I don't intend to flame, but please show me why it is so popular in France.

[jogs010181]

The fighters wear boots and try to strike accurately, so they don't necessarily need to hit very hard to get an effect.

The guy in red (middle of video) was stopped by a shot to the solar plexus. I think you probably have to feel a few shots to appreciate the art.

Mobility is important in savate, not standing toe-to-toe and slugging.

Have a look at some of the french "elite" fights to get a better idea of why it's so popular.

[Chief611]

savate have 3 modes of fight; light combat(accuracy fight), medium combat and heavy combat(full force fight) in ring fights, this was propably light or med.

[bert666666]

Well, first, savate is not popular at all in France, you won't see a bout on TV or even in the mainstream papers. Maybe judging savate by a 7' videoclip is not fair for the sport. BTW, who cares, those who practice or love the sport still like it, seems enough to me, wether we know "how to fight" or not. regards.

[postbanes]

jajajajajajajajajajaja... go and fight with one savateur.

[ephasm]

savate looks to me, as a thai boxer, like kickboxers trying to do thai boxing.

an style that relies on having special shoes on to cause effect isn't a hand to hand fighting style.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

savate is more efficient than muai thai. Did you know that they is Savate the Rue??? This is deadly selfdefence system who the whole body is a weapon with many grappling technikes.

[ephasm]

That'll be why there's loads of Savate fighters tearing up the MMA and K1 scene.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm Have you ever seen a Kickboxer or a Mixed Martial Artist in a Savate fight??? They are different sports. Apropo in the firt UFC the Savate fighter had a very good perfomance defeating the sumo wrestler.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

MMA and K1 are basicaly sport. Savate de Rue is a selfdefence system with bonebreaking and the wholy body as a wepon. .

[ephasm]

I'm a professional thai boxer in the UK. You won't show me anything about striking that isn't already in Thai boxing and probably done better.

Bye bye anime kid

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm the name of my account is only for fun... Muai thai is from Thailand(Asia). Savate is from France(Europe) . This is a enough reason for me to train in Savate and not in Muai Thai.

Savate has at least all muai thai technikes and the Savate technique is propably better for fight.

Go and ask a master of Savat de Rue and he will show tou you the moves ...

[ephasm]

Savate doesn't allow elbows or knees in fights, therefore you wont train them to the same extent as other things. Dont think that whatever crappy equivalent you have compares.

Just accept it.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

Savate has elbows and knees and headbuts , and joint locks , grappling and many knee-breaking techniques in the true Savate form , the Savate de Rue. Don't compare Muai Thai(sport) with Savate de Rue(self defence) .

Why did you thnik learn all special forces of the world self defense and not Muai Thai?? In self defense(Savate de Rue) all weapons of the body are allowed .... because in selfdefene there no rules.....

[ephasm]

hate to tell you kid, but all those things are in muay thia as well. it wasnt until 20 years ago that they disallowed groin strikes and headbutts were not long before that.

Difference is, a "sport" like thai boxing actually trains to use these things properly because nowhere will you test your technique quite like in the ring and frankly, all this "we train for the street" crap is a load of bullshit.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm I agree 100 % with you. These who say ''we train for the street'' and train only semi contact only while they are to soft to fight full contact are idiots.....

But I don't mean those soft karate arts.... I mean Savate De Rue who is like modern military close combat training.... Savate has full contact fights too like Boxing or Muai Thai!! Savate de Rue are the technikes that can be used only for self defense or for military personell to kill the enemy.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm... Savate de Rue is a tradionaly art from France for streetfight. This can be trained full contact too, but with Protection for the beginners.

Muai Thai is a sport not specialized for true combat. Besides of them is it not from Europe, it is from Asia. I can personaly don't identfy with them. Savate is at least so efficient as muai thai and it is from France, the heart of Europe.....

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm I am very interested in Boxing too.... this great and efficient british martial art. Modern Boxing is very effiicient, but I am also very interesting in the father of modern boxing. I mean British Bare nuckle Boxing . This art was not ''only'' with 2 weapons.... bare nuckle boxing was with all weapons of the body incl. grappling and wrestling .... It was very brutal and efficient back than in the prize rings...

[megasayajinsongoku99]

This old pugilism art, the sweet science was almost dieng out, but fortunately same oldtimers saved the old no holds barred traditions of modern boxing..... and today this old western art will be famous again...

For example Carl gestari a military close-combat instructor learned bare-nuckle boxing an was fascinated from the efficienc of tihis art...

[ephasm]

I'm sorry mate, you might think you know how to use elbows and knees etc but if you don't train to use them in the ring, then you don't train to use them properly.

Saying its for the military means nothing - I've seen crap like krav maga - its mostly a load of bullcrap.

The traditional savate roundhouse kick has, like almost every other form of kickboxing, changed as muay thai has become more widely known and people have come to realise that kicking with the foot is fuckign retarded.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm you overstated the elbows and the knees. Elbows and knees are good but I prefer the punch....

Many martial arts teach the use of elbow and the knee,not only muai thai...

As I said Savate teaches elbows and knees too.... You are wrong the traditional savate roundhouse kick don't changed!!! The attack with the foot is the right way ro fight with roundhouses...

Basicaly the right way of fighting is very suspectiv.....

[megasayajinsongoku99]

The roundhouse with the shin is indeed stronger than the roundhouse with the foot, but the shin has a greater risk to break and more important the shin kick is much more slowly than the foot kicks...

A foot kick has enough power to make great damage , and with the foot kick they can be hit multiple fast accurate attacks... The foot kick has a superior reach too.....

But in fighting it is very suspectiv .... the one prefer the shin kick, the other the foot kick and co...

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm What ever don't think Muai Thai is the only martial art that teach the kicks with the chin ... Many martial arts teach the shin as a attack....

Krav maga is a combination of many styles (Western and Eastern) specialized for military combat or self defense... Krav Maga is like the highly efficient Scandinavian martial art Glima (more precise Lausatoek Glima).

Glima , Savate de Rue, Krav Maga are all superior to Muai Thai when it comes to true fighting without rules.....

[megasayajinsongoku99]

Don't understand me wrong.... Muai Thai is a great art but it has rules too like many other arts . Don't confuse combat with sport....

Apropo Muai Thai has a negative. The limited use of hands. For example a boxer , a Savateur or a kickboxer(both arts Savate an Kickboxing had as basis for their armfighting Western Boxing) have great advandage in arm reach against a muai thai fighter.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

Traditionall muai thai incorporate many western boxing technikes in their arsenal to increase the arm effectivness of muai thai.

[ephasm]

Im not confusing anything. Many "arts" teach knees and eblows true - but frankly, not a single damn one of them has a fucking clue HOW to do them properly - and as every boxer will tell you - theres a right and a wrong way to throw a punch.

Elbows would NEVER be used in the same situation as a punch - you clearly DONT know how to throw an elbow.

And the foot will get injured much more easily than the shin. Also, if you think the foot is quicker then that doesnt explain k1 now does it.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm try to ounderstand.... . Wrong and right is a illusion. For example a modern boxer would say the right way of a straight punch to face is with the fist horizontal .

A boxer of the bare nucle boxing Era would say the right way of a punch in the face is with vertical fist. A Wing tsunler would say someting different and co.... they are not wrong and right... only wrong and right FOR YOU....

[megasayajinsongoku99]

Don't be ignorant... many arts teach the right way of elbowing and kneeing... you must be very closemindet when you believe that only the Thais have found the secrets of the elbow and the knee... That I said that I prefer the punch was only as example.... I know that the elbows and the knees are weapons for close distance.... But as I sayed I prefer for me the fist even in close range... that don't means that I don't use elbows and knees when I will..

[megasayajinsongoku99]

K1 is most Kickboxers and Muai Thai athletes.

For example have you ever seen a Kickboxer or a Muai Thai athlet in a great Savate tournament?

I personely feel much faster and more accurate the foot kicks .... the shin kick is because of the great bodyweight behind it very difficult to control. But in terms of selfdefense is the roundhouse(even the low) a bad idea.... The ''kings of the street'' are low front kicks with thrusting or the heel...

[ephasm]

I'll be honest, I'm barely reading these massive comments because You obviously just don't actually have any fight experience of your own OR a basic understanding of Biology/physics.

There IS a right and wrong. That's why western boxers punch the way they do. NO OTHER REASON. That's why muay thai, lethwei, sanshou and sanda ALL kick the way they do.

There's a right and a wrong way to do it - and most of the good savate fighters know this and kick like a thai.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

kick like a Thai? As I said many martial arts have shin kicks.... sorry for this but obviously you can not understand what I will say.... for example today western boxing prefer the straight punch with horizontal fist. Traditional bare nuckle boxing prefer the straight punch with vertical fist.... What is right? What is wrong?

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm

Another example... traditional bare nuckle boxing and many pioners of modern boxing teach the punch with the three knuckles area. But the karate styles teach the hit with the 2 knuckles... What is right? What is wrong? I prefer for me the three knuckles area..... Another maybe the 2knuckle area.... Can you follow me ?

[ephasm]

The right way is the way boxers do it - simple as that. I dont give a flying fuck what karate teaches - boxing throws punches with more speed, power, accuracy, defence and economy. THAT defines it as the "correct" way of punching.

And if you miss and rotate? So what? You think the average joe on the street will react to this faster than a trained ring fighter? Hate to tell you this kid but in most good rulesets you CAN attack when your opponents back is turned.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm About karate you have right. But you forget my first statement. In old boxing the ''right way'' was with the vertical fist . In modern boxing the ''right way'' is the horizontal vist... What is right ? What is wrong? You see right and wrong are relative ....

When yoy think you fight the average joe than you don't a combat art . Just go and hit him.

In selfdefense we always must think the opponent is not a average joe , but a trained killer machine....

[ephasm]

Look, I don't care about "self defense" - you brought that up. I still think most places that claim to teach "self defence" are full of crap.

And right and wrong are not relative - they're not just a matter of opinion but of science. Physics, biology and chemistry all combine to make what are the most efficient techniques and the bottom line is that modern boxers punch the way they do now because is works BETTER. Not just because they fancied a change from the old way.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm with have a difference view of thinks. Its natural.... Without a glove the ideal punch is vertical, all british bare nuckle boxer hit with vertical fist. With glove as in modern boxing you don't care very much about your knuckles because you hand is protected from the glove.... there fore horizontal... But the right way when you hit bare nuckle is vertikal fist, because so the hand is more stabil.... What ever ...

[ephasm]

You can theorise all you want - the bottom line is that those who "do" something, do it for a reason. Boxers hit the way they hit because physics, biology and chemistry all say its the best way to do it. This also applies to kicking with the shin etc.

This isn't a matter of "opinion". Everyone who'll agree with my above statement will say it's "fact". The only people who say it all comes down to "opinion" are people who really don't understand what they're doing or why.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

epasm you can not understand me!!!! The modern boxing way is 100 % wong( I don't mean Boxing is useless. Boxing is a facinating and deadly art. I only compare today gloved boxing with the old pugilism style). Try to fight without gloves and you will see what I mean. The right way is the way of father of modern boxing, british bare-nuckle boxing!!!

About kicks. the one prefer foot kicks , the other shin kicks. The one prefer striking , the other grappling.....

[ephasm]

Again with the opinion crap - look, as soon as anyone competes under a decent ruleset that actually scores based on effect rather than touch, people ALWAYS start kicking with the shin. People from TKD, karate, kung fu - ALL martial arts - because they know they're going to break their foot if they kick hard enough lol.

And why on earth do u think that boxers box "wrong" now? You have absolutely no knowledge of boxing at all by the sounds of it the way you go on about "british bare knuckle".

[megasayajinsongoku99]

I say modern boxing is ''wrong'' as selfdefense because of the gloves. The boxers of the bare-nuckle era had the vertical fist as ideal punch in the face, bacause so the hand is much more stabil... The shin kick is as I said not only in muai thai but in many arts. The Savate fighters kick for example with the foot, not with the shin, because the foot is much more faster, has more reach and is more accurate. The breaking risk is not so great as the shin kick...

[ephasm]

All I can say is that everything you said in your last comment is a load of bollocks.

I don't even know where t ostart by refuting these "opinions" of yours. Not a single one of them is based on fact and EVERY single one of them has hundreds of the worlds best fighters proving you wrong.

Lol shins break? Must have missed that when I went to Thailand. how is the shin slower or less accurate? Its a bollocks claim made by someone who doesn't actually know how to kick lol.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm no you comment is a whole bollock...

The punch of the bare nuckle boxers was with vertical fist .... this is a fact.... study first and speak than.... 

The Savate fighters hit always with the foot ....

They are not wrong and right..... One prefers foot, another shin..... be objektive

[ephasm]

Im not arguing that a hundred years ago people used to box that way - but I'm saying that we've learned a LOT more about boxing since and THAT'S why they don't box like that anymore - they box the way they box now because experiecnce and knowledge tells us it's the most effective.

And a fighter, especially a professional ring fighter, doesn't have room for shit that isn't effective - which is why every MMA or K1 fighter will use the shin and NEVER the foot.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm look you seems to be a ''ok'' and smart guy ..... please think before you write somethink...

I will repite, the difference of the today boxing and the bare nuckle Era is the GLOVE!!! Put the glove out and you must fight like the old pugilism fistfighters.....

What ever I don't say modern boxing is useless , its the opposite Western boxing is a even today a science but the old ways were better....specialy in a bare-nucke fight(or selfdefense)

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm K1 is a tournamnet for kickboxers,muai thai , karate..

MMA is mor freestyle but the differense is that they forbidde the savate shoe too....

When we look in the opposite ,, in Savate fights why you never see a kickboxer or muai thai sportler with his shin kicks ???

[ephasm]

THe glove doesn't force boxers to change the way they punch - they punch the wa they do now because it's simply a better technique.

K1 is actually an open tournament - open to anyone form ANY martial art who wants to compete under their ruleset. Savate isn't so open and the reason you DONT see peopel kicking like thai boxers under Savate rules is for one very important point: Savate scores like AMATEUR kickboxing and boxing. it scores the TOUCH, not the effect. So power isnt as important.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

About your statement for K1 you have right.... it is a open tournament , but they don't let the use of shoes.... I understand what you will say about the Touch and the effect....

About the glove ... sorry but you are wrong.... gloves change basicaly the blocking abilities of the fighter.... the box gloves are how two small shields.... without glove and handbandagen the hand is very labil. The fist must special trained and hardening for bare-nuckle...

[megasayajinsongoku99]

and straight bare-nuckle punches about the height of the shoulder with a horizontal fist are not possible because of the great bend of the hand....

But with a vertikal fist the punch can hit much higher than your own  shoulder .... Therefore alle bare-nuckle boxers hit with the vertical fist...

[ephasm]

Ok thats not true at all. gloves dont support the wrist at all so gloves would make no difference to how you hit an opponent using your theory.

And try training with some MMA style 4oz gloves. You'll find they dont change much at all.

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm the handbandages support the wrist... Even the mma style 40z gloves change the game... Why you think the ufc forbidde the bare-nukcle fights in the earlier fights. because the ''fighters'' broke his knuckles in punching the head bare nuckled...

[aiyer1989]

@ephasm The reason why people don't use savate kicks in K-1 is because they're not wearing shoes. The reason for shin kicks is that the shin is far sturdier than the foot. The small bones in the foor will break easily. So people choose the shin even though the foot has a longer reach and generates more power. (Longer rotation arm means higher velocity.) In savate, the shoes protect the foot. So it is safe to kick with the foot.

[NOFseXy]

@ephasm people knock people out with the foot.  The heel as well as the metatarsals can be very effective. Often in MMA, fighters hit with the metatarsals. They may be going for a shin kick, and miss with the shin but connect with the metatarsals and still have devastating effect and power. Andy Hug is a K1 fighter who would use axe kicks very effectively, striking with the heel of his foot

[ephasm]

@NOFseXy "can be effective" isn't the same as "is effective". Andy hug is dead btw so he's not a K1 fighter anymore - as it so happens he was an exception to the rule and imo one of the most overrated fighters of all time.

[NOFseXy]

@ephasm kicks with the metatarsals are effective. Ive seen knock out kicks made with the foot and heel by MMA fighters besides Hug. Any way, it seems most fighters would rather stick to a limited amount of simpler moves than really practice hard to diversify their fighting style and become more effective fighters.

[ephasm]

@NOFseXy  You're a moron if you think that spending more time practicing ax kicks and reverse turn jump kicks will make someone like buakaw, masato, andy souwer etc a better fighter and thats the end of this conversation.

[NOFseXy]

@ephasm  watch?v=l6oiADjOdFg

[NOFseXy]

@ephasm watch?v=m8M0s6endDU

[NOFseXy]

@ephasm watch?v=qbgj9kFNDCc

[NOFseXy]

@ephasm watch?v=QMGKpnby_Zo&feature=re­lated

[megasayajinsongoku99]

ephasm for selfdefense.. when you miss with a strong shin kick than you make a little rotation ... that means you risking that the opponent hits you in the back or in the back head area. That is inacteptabel in a true fight...

[lilisenshu]

ceux qui disent que c'est un sport de gay ne doivent pas savoir ce qu'est un entrainement ou un combat de boxe française, de plus les combats qu'on a vu là sont loin d'etre les meilleurs que l'on puisse voir

[pugilistica]

Gay = lively; bright; colourful; playful... Chambers Dictionary. Yes, I guess it's all that and more! I wonder what 'sport' you're involved in? After all, you seem like a 'nice boy'!

[pugilistica]

Well you should know!

[aneczka6969]

jak drętwo biją się. masakra! Nawet emocji nie ma. Pozdro Ziomy! Elo Elo.

[androssmaster666]

What is the name on the entrance song??

I have looked for it for a long time

[BadBlueBoy213]

GO CROATIA!!!!

[AusEngPhil]

I REALLY like savate

c'est génial!

[anteracmacash]

the coach of the croatian fighter is today also my coach ;)

[BadBlueBoy213]

lol nice :D i am croatian too and i udnerstand what he was saying all the time, "idemo, idemo!" that means something like "let's go"

[canniste06]

bonjour julie savate pourai- je avoir par mail ou msn la video de canne que tu a mise sur le ring car c'est moi et jonnathan dudreuil c'est la video la plus vue merci de me repondre

[Naabelio]

mdr Ko au bout d'une minute!

Dites moi que c'était juste l'échauffement pour Allan? ;)

[noxcess]

Peux tu poster le combat de Allan Blondeau ( junior -85 kgs ) en entier?

Merci beaucoup

[juliesavate]

c'est tout... le combat a fini en premiere reprise!

[kickersunited]

Great fights!

Solar plexus shot took out the Turkish fighter??

[juliesavate]

I think it was that, but I'm not sure. He was counted out, and it was quite a while before they got him on his feet!

[jlucdehaudt]

bravo pour ces belles vidéos. C'est toi qui filme ?

[juliesavate]

oui, c'est moi, une réalisatrice de films qui travaille pour la savate!

;-)

[jlucdehaudt]

Et bien bravo pour ton implication ! ya-t-il possibilité de se correspondre par mail pour te demander des infos?

[juliesavate]

oui, je t'envoie mon adresse électronique...

[savateuk]

Nice footage of some great bouts - excellent

[juliesavate]

The over 85kg Croatian apparently sustained a double fracture of his arm during the first round (you can see him shaking it near the end of the clip), but continued on for 3 more rounds!

[pugilistica]

It looks like he caught him on the left arm with the top part of his right shin bone.