Igor is right that the "want to kill" moment does not come when you leave the theatre, but it can come when some real event seems to fit the image, which is already negative.
Igor there is one movie I know - it is K 19´- The Widowmaker, it came out in the beginning of 2002.
Suryavajra, I do not know about any spy movie, but action/gangster - yes - you could watch Brat 2, it is on youtube.
Now regarding this real event that fits the image, the reality is the over here in the States there are many Russians who immigrated here. I was actually talking to by Russian friend about the Ossetia situation a couple weeks ago at a mutual friend's birthday party in the Park...
And again I'm not holding you at fault of going into Chechniya other than that you are soo against the US going into Afghanistan for the same exact reason!! That is hunting very dangerous mass killers also known as terrorists!
Come now, we should actually be seeing eye to eye on the terorrism issue. Your people have been killed in the same horrible ways that my people have been killed. So where's the issue here?
Personally I think going to Afganistan couldn't have been avoided. There should be consequences to terrorist actions. It's like Russia going into Georgia for the same reason (and Chechnia).(Mind you, it withdrew itself few weeks later).But I wish our countries stopped blaming each other for exactly the same thing.
Yes, natlissits, once agian your reasoning is correct. What is happening in Afghanistan shouldn't just concern Americans. It should concern us all, yeah??
I am the son of Indian immigrants and I was horrified by the Mumbai terrorist attacks. The same terrorists that attacked the US eight years ago, and Mumbai a week ago, can attack Russia and Western Europe tommorrow. This is why international terorism ie Al Qaida concerns us all despite our petty differences and arguments.
They had already attacked Russia - remember the musical theater attack in Moscow ? And the Beslan school? Well, those were Chechen muslim fundamentalists, but it's the same terrorism.
And that's what our countries should be concentrating on, instead of quarrelling with each other.
Yes natlissits!!! And I'd wager that many of these Chechen terrorists recieved traning in Afghanistan. Islamic-inspired terrorism is going to be a major issue into the future. And personally I will never, ever trust the Saudis.
If there's another place to criticize American foireng policy, it is our reliance on Saudi oil, consequently leading us to be in a position where they are our allies when they are really our enemies!!
Anyway, there is no doubt that Bush administration has made itself very unpopular around the world. And once again - personally I hope that the world calms down and stops playing petty power games with Obama's presidency.
Just caompare usual pictures of US Army and Russian Army in foreign countries.
Practically in every country, in which US Army taken part, there were protests against US soldiers. There were only negative feelings from population to US army.
And what is usual picture of Russian Army. Remember Prishtina? Remember Tskinvalli? Civillians giving flowers to Russian soldiers, when they going or russing on tanks through the streets.
I know a couple of Afghans over here who would disagree with you about giving flowers to Russian troops, Igor...hahahahahaha!
Do I feel a difference....not really. I know a Czech girl who hates communism with a passion. I mean it depends on the part of the world we're in, yeah???
The only place where both countries seem to be popular at the same time is in India. And I've been there many times. :)
Russian Federation....ehhh?? So you guys are thinking you're all new and improved?? Puuhhhlease, spare me Igor. A lot of the politicans around today have had links back to the old communist order. What was Putin doing back then??
And your while the scope of the foreign policy has changed owing to the economic difficulties you all had in the 1990s, nothing has really changed when it comes to fundamental nature of your strategy.
You can say what you want and accuse anyone. But know, that your opinion is not the only one true. There are also FACTS, not only fantazies. Understand?
The main problem is that "Russia" by US vision, films and propoganda is not REAL Russia. And you accusing that "fantazy evil Russia", which is painting in US. Just because US need antogonist, to explain all their actions. Like they use "fear of muslims" to explain million of civillian deaths in Iraq.
Igor, Igor, Igor. We don't need an antagonist, bro. You're the one making a big deal about thises so-called movies. What movie, what films are you reffering to???
And you guys don't use fear of Muslims, yeah?? What did you do in Chechniya, hmmmm??? You levelled the place. Then you built it back up with a pro-Moscow leader in charge.
Again, whenever you talk you talk about how bad the US is and how horrible we are...Ohhh WAAAAAH!
"What did you do in Chechniya, hmmmm??? You levelled the place." Of course, your only argument is Chechnya. But you of course, as all Americans, don't know what Chechen terrorists did in Chechnya and Dagestan. You just never heard about it. When towns were fired and people were killed. Just few names of key Chechen "leaders": Dokka Umarov Shamil Basayev Arbi Baraev Ahmed Zakaev Ahmed Evloev Movladi Udugov Anzor Astemirov They are all international terrorists.
Igor, I haven't watched half of the movies you mentioned.
I'm pretty certain that Indiana Jones and Beautiful Mind has Russians as villains because both movies are set in the middle of the Cold War.
As for the others, they engage in steotypes of poor taste, I think, but it certainly doesn't seem to me that they paint Russians in a threatening light, yeah???
Do you understand, that this your comment is not an argument?
"but it certainly doesn't seem to me that they paint Russians in a threatening light"
You even don't watch it, what are you talking about?
Your arguments are absurd..
I can write many such films, which is filming many years AFTER end of cold war, and only create hate in Americans to Russians. Is this not a propoganda, I repeat? You may not to answer, I understand all very well...
Hold on Igor, you were the one that described to me that in some of the movies the russians portrayed were drunks, yeah?? Using YOUR description, I made a comment saying that while those depictions are stereotypes, that may be in poor taste, I don't think that in that context, people would be led to believe that Russians are a threatening people.
Dumb-ass Hollywood directors make these films, not a propoganda bureau, hence I have trouble believing that there's a wider conspiracy, yeah??
Holywood directors know that it would sell. Once again - Russia is a "safe" enemy,the one that is not known for suicide attacks or any real threat. Western world is raised on James Bond culture. Hero versus anti hero. Except, Russia doesn't really fit anymore into the anti hero role, so the west is desperately trying to push it into it. They are lost without perceiving themselves as heros, so they need Russians to be villans.
Well, now I am trying hard to remember one and honestly can't. Not even from the cold war times - Russians were not into spy movies, really. The only one I can think of was about Russian spy in Germany during the WW2. Actually very good one. But there are also lots jokes based on that film, which are even better.
Now that I find interesting, natlissits. I would have thought that a lot of movies were made in Russia about the Cold War, from your side of the story. so what kind of movies interest Russians?? I've read somewhere that there are a number of historical films being made, yeah??
Historical films, also films based on literature,like "Master and Margarita" by Bulgakov. All kinds of "art" films (by Tarkovsky for instance)... Comedies - there are some great ones. Romantic comedies...
Yes, there's onme I've been wanting to watch. A movie that takesplace in Kazakhstan a few hundred years ago. I believe that this was another one of the new Russian films. In fact all of the actors were Russian, as I recall...
Ah, the one that wone some prize recently. Actually,interesting thing about it is(if it's the one I'm thinking about), that the director is Russian of Georgian origin. Quite multinational.
But it had to do with Kazakh history, and how the three major tribes of that country united against the Mongols.
I watched the previews and I thought it was very well done. In fact it seems a lot more interesting than a lot of the movies coming out of Hollywood! LOL!
There is one, by Nikita Mikhalkov, which might be translated to English, called "Le soleil trompeur" - in French. About communism, actually, shows how the communist terror was allowed to happen in terms of ordinary people, who were mislead to believe it was a good thing, until they reaized (too late) that it all went wrong.
My messages seem to stop coming through. The name of one of the 70 comedies is "Kavkazskaya plennitsa". There are quite a few bits from it on YouTube.
Yeah that happens from tiome to time on here. I'll be sure to check it out. So let me ask you, natlissits...Are Russian commedies like American sitcoms or something very different??
Not dissimilar. Strangely I find them much less funny in recent years though, than, say, those of the 60s, 70s, 80s. Acting is not as good now, for some reason. Don't know why. The same goes for French and English films.Some Hollywood films are very good though (apart from rubbishing Russians).
Yeah, I grew up in the 1980s and 1990s, natlissits, and we had awesome comedies back then. And the music was awesome back then. Now everything just seems boring....
No matter who making it. The most important thing is RESULT of such films. And result is only negative. I know, that education system in US is not good, and the only source where Americans can know something about world is FILMS. Also why the make films, based on stereotypes, in times of Google and Wikipedia? And I always laugh on terriblr accent. Even we often can't understan, what this stupid actors say on Russian. Is Hollywood very poor to invite Russian on this roles? I don't think so.
Igor, i think you overrestimate the effect of these films. No sane American of this day and age watches this movies in the theater and comes out wanting to kill some Russians...I mean come on, my friend.
Now there are movies with Russians as the heroes. Ever watch the movie, Enemy at the Gate???
I am not saying that I'm speaking for all. Did I say that???? Neither do I think you speak for all Russians for that matter. Nobody here on youtube, can claim that, yeah??
I cam ackross f...Russia kind of comments too. But there are also f... America comments on YouTube too and lots of swearing coming from all the places towards each other. People just use the YouTube as an outlet fot their negativity. Much safer than shouting at your boss, who pissed you off during the day.
And the recent one "Charly something's war"? With Tom Hanks - "let's kill some Russians" phrase? This film is particularly hilarious because now Americans are fighting against the same talibans than Russians did back then.
Yeah...Charlie Wilson unleashed opened a can of worms, don't you think?? He and many others like him in the power establishment unwittingly gae aid to Islamists, only for those snakes to bite us back.
To be fair there were people in the CIA and the military who were completely against this idea. Read Bob Baer's "See No Evil", if you get the chance...
I'll email you a passage that i read which you will find very interesting natlissits!
Bob Baer was a CIA field agent who was all over the world. If you want to know about the real CIA, the good, the bad, and the ugly, you should definitely read Bob Baer.
Just say me wars, which Russia BEGAN since 1991? Don't remember? Yeah, right. Because Russia began NO ONE WAR against foreign country since 1991.
Let's write countries, which were invaded/attacked by US since 1991: Iraq,Somalia,Angola,Colombia,Turkey, Rwanda,Indonesia,Afghanistan,Guatemala, Yugoslavia,Kuwait,Palestinian Territories, Peru,Algeria,Lebanon,Haiti.
You guys (Russian Federation) didn't begin wars during that time, you know why??
Because for 10 years, your economy was in shambles until Putin came in with an iron fist and brought control. So for that time your focus was inward, not outward. Only until you restructured your economy and brought back order, are you now feeling your oats again.
Since I am running out of time and space, I'd love to email you regarding the list of countries you have presented and go through it together, yeah??
As I see, you "very well" know Russia's history. Because you never said, that it was 1st and 2nd Chechen Wars. And 1st was began in december, 1994, in time of Eltsin's presidency. So all your opinion is crusing by little fact)
Please, stop this absurd "bla bla bla". All that you are writing is very predicted, and heard many times before and all this was prooved many times as simple misinformation.
I never said I knew Russian history well!! But one thing Igor. I will never accuse you of knowing Americn history well, my friend! LOL!
Now regarding Chechniya, the Soviets were involved in Chechniya and so was the Czar if you want to go a couple of hundred years back. Yet you are presenting your country as if it was only born in 1994...
So i take it that you really want to be our enemies, ehh Igor??
Could it be that you guys are secretly jealous and envious of the US, so you have to constantly be linked to us as our adversaries and antagonist. Personally I have nothing against Russia or her people. But it seems you have a thing against Americans. If our peoples want to be friends...so be it. But I for one am not going to crawl on my hands and knees, kiss your ass, and confess my so-called sins, yeah???
Alright Igor, you have me intrigued about something. What exactly is the "Real Russia" tahat the US is not depicting??? What would you like someone like me to know??
What on Earth makes you think that nothing has changed? For a start,the election system has changed (we vote now, like you do) Nobody feels threatenned by the government (contrary to what the West choses to believe). The economic situation has improved a lot. And we don't mess with other countries anymore, unless they attack first (like Georgia).
Your intenral politics have changed, yes. But your external foreign policy aims remain the same. That's not bad and I'm not making a moral judgment on you. It's the way the world spins, yeah???
You guys are still concerned about Eastern Europe. Has that changed??
You still care about Central Asia. Has that changed??
You see?? Our internal politics have changed, bout our strategic disposition has not.
Russia is concerned about installing NATO military devices at its borders - that's about the only thing they feel strongly about, which is understandable. Wouldn't America be concerned about that ?
natlissts, those conerns are understandable. I'm not faulting your reasoning or casting judgement on your morals unlike our friend Igor, here.
What I am arguing is that your strategic disposition hasnot changed. It is a fact and not a value judgment. No matter whehter you were ruled by the Czar, or the communists, or by a democratic order, Russia will always be worried about her borders in Eastern Europe and her borders in Central Asia.
In fact Russia's disposition is such, that it will always be a super power or atleast a great power no matter who is in charge, so long as it's not an anarchic situation.
And so will America - we are no different there. Just hopefully our governments will be wise enough not to provoke each other unnecessarily. Live and let live.
Absolutely natlissits. We are not different in our perspective. Nobody is running around here thinking of ways to conquer, destroy, or even exploit Russia, just as I suspect that there's nobody over there that wants to do serious harm to the US by trying to conquer or destroy us!!
suryavajra, hating "communism" with passion seems to be a part of a new ideology chosen by some in the Czech Republic, but even in our part of the world they are not a majority. There are others who see things from a perspective.
Anyway, arguing about the past is a waste of time, in my opinion. We should all concentrate on improving the political climate, not rubbishing each other.
Even UK has at least 3 wars under its belt for the last 50 years .(Folkland, Afganistan, Iraq).A small country like Potugal had wars in Angola and Moçambique. But no! - let's blame it all on Russia! Bitching others is much more pleasant activity than facing your own problems.
Am I bitching at Russia??? natlissits, I'm not blaming anybody, not Russia or Portugal or the US or the UK....
I'm just amazed that they're throwing a hissy fit because we enjoy favorable relations with Yushenko and Saakashvili. I can guarantee you that nobody in the political mainstream cares that the Russians are in bed with Chavez and Castro.... (cont.)
About drama queens - precisely my thoughts. Looking forward to Obama's presedency and really hoping for the improvement of the relationship between Russia and the US.
natlissits, may I ask you something?? Are you Russian yourself??
And by the way, I'd wait for awhile before saying anything about Obama's "improving" on US-Russia relations if i were you. Our new Secretary of State is none other than Hillary Clinton! LOL!
I can't wait till we send her around the world. I tell you, she's going to raise a lot of hell. You guys may even wish you had Condoleeza Rice back! LOL!
Yes, I am partly Russian. As for Hilary, during her husband's presidency the relationship with Russia was at its best ever. But time will show. So far signs have been good, but as Medvedev put it, I am cautiously optimistic.
matlissits, Weren't the russians steaming mad about Bosnia??? That was her husband's war.
I mean, we almost went to war when General Clark refused to allow the Russian Army to land....and that order was was countermanded by a British General.
What part of Russia are your ancestors from?? I've always wanted to visit there. I have a few Russian friends, myself.
From Moscow. Russians were not particularly steaming mad about Bosnia, as I recall, because Bosnia was in a messy situation already. Anyway, if US were allowed to go on a "rescue mission", why not Russia ? The relationship with the US deteriorated during Bush's presidency, by the way.
Well as you know, a lot of our military and political officials still think in Cold War terms. I'd imagine that the same mirror condition exists in Russia, hence the quick withdrawal back into a Cold War-like situation.
Personally I donot care if Russia is in Bosnia...Just saying that I thought Russia was mad at all that went on in Yugoslavia and that Milosevic was your boy.
That's totally untrue. Milosevic is not "our boy". And Russia is not in Bosnia. As for the cold war mentality - there is more of it from the western part than from Russians. Russians's been keeping trying to be in a good relation with the West for years, only to be constantly picked upon (mostly for no reason). I think West needs a "safe" enemy like Russia in order to feel good about themselves. Safe - because they know that there will be no suicide bombing or anything.
Ofcourse he was your boy...Back in the Cold War he was a fellow commie...
Personally I think the "safe" enemy comment of yours is an interesting one, because I share the same sentiment. I think we need to focus on the real threats happening in the world.
But that said, I highly doubt that your leaders are so unlike ours. I'm sure Putin still has animosity towards the West. I'm not blaming him one bit. Old habits die hard. The same with our leaders.
Putin's been trying to be friends with the West for quite a while. He gave up when it became apparent that that was a one way effort. Cold War time is over a long time ago, and during the Cold War, by the way, Russian population didn't have any anti american feelings (just the government). They do now, because they see the injustice towards Russia. Don't forget that Russia (Gorbachev, Eltsin) were the ones who made an effort to stop the cold war and change Russia's political regime.
natlissits, none of us here have had anti-Russian or anti-Slavic sentiment except for a few racists here and there. And people remember that we were allies during the Second World War and many Americans will even tell you that Russia fight the lion's share of the war against Hitler. Only that we never liked Communism and never will.
Now about Putin. We did reach out to him. Didn't Bush say that he saw into Putin eyes and saw a good soul?? What do you call that, if not reaching out?
That might come as a surprise for you,but Russians don't like communism either (except for few freaks here and there). Anyway, the point is - our countries should cooperate, not fight.
Well then, we have a lot in common then. And I think neither of our countries would profit from a new and expensive Cold War when we have to cooperate in restricitng the spread of nuclear weapons and capturing the loose nukes. We also have a common enemy in Islamic Terrorism, in particular Wahabi terrorism. Finally, greater economic ties may help the economies of both of our countries in the current economic environment. Personally I'd rather buy Russian oil than Saudi Oil....
Personally I donot understand why our government treats Russia so shabily when it was those Wahabi bastards from Saudi Arabia that have knifed us in the back at every opportunity.
Also Gorabchev and Yeltsin had to change the poltical order in Moscow. Communism was not sustainable in Russia and the Eastern Bloc. Not when those countries were falling further behind the West...and when their own people saw everything that was avialable in the West that they couldnot have in the East.
The political order has changed because our nation was ready for a change and had a HUGE support for these changes. Russia has also facilitated the desintegration of the USSR, which is now totally forgot by the ex soviet republics, who are busy with their petty revenges on Russia, which garantees them a financial support from the West.
That is very true, natlissits. Hence my comment. The leaders were forced to change, because your people demanded them. And the leaders no longer had the will to crush the people as they had done in previous decades.
Now regarding financial support...Do you honestly think that these other republics are turning to us financially just to get their petty revege on Russia??? I had a college roomate from Azerbaijan and had nothing bad to say about Russians, and was proud to speak Russian.
Not Azerbaijan - too far away from the West and traditionally there have always been a good relationship with Russia. But the Baltic republics- Lithuania, Estonia etc... Poland, Ukraine (now), Georgia.
Actually we do have a good relationship with Azerbaijan. In fact we even have a military relationship with them of sorts.
My former roomate got a student visa to come over here and study. We have invited sutdents from the former Soviet Republics to study at our universities. I kinda doubt that Americans would be invited to Russia to study in yours...LOL!
But anyway, he said that we Americans made a good choice in allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia...
Russia has a good relationship with both Armenia and Azerbaijan and didn't take sides in that conflict. As for the American students in Russia, when I studied in Moscow there's been plenty of them.
It's an expected fact of international relations that a country sitting under the shadow of a superpower would if they are not already under direct occupation, to contact a more distant power for economic and military aid. Don't know why my Russian friends are throwing up their hands in horror at this prospect. This kind of alliance formation have been going on for centuries...
Suryavajra, that's precisely what happened in Ossetia - they asked Russia for help against Saakashvili's army killing their civilian population. If you want to go to bed with Saakashvili - good luck to you, but then don't complain when truth about his criminal actions comes out and you end up looking bad for sleeping with him.
Naslissits, I'm still waiting to hear from my Russian friends what "criminal" actions Saakashvili has done...Don't get me wrong. I'm not a supporter of his. If anything I've seen him on TV, and I don't like his personality. That said, you want to talk about looking bad sleeping with somebdy, try sleeping with Fidel Castro for the last forty years, LOL! Now that's is baaaad....hahahaha!
How about killing a huge amount of Ossetian civilians overnight? Not criminal enough for you? And that's a fact, established by independent observers. Type BBC "Inside South Ossetia" for more details. BBC, from all the people ! That means something.
Well...in that part of the world everyone is killing everyone else, yeah?? The Georgians tell us that the Ossetians and Abhikazians hae been killing them!
"in that part of the world everyone is killing everyone else" - that's not an excuse for massacring civilian population. As I said, watch BBC "Insice South Ossetia". It's made by INDEPENDENT OBSERVERS. That means it's an objective opinion, based on established facts.
Not at all, natlissits. But I am saying that as a dispassionate outside observer, I see that it is a very complicated situation where both sides have done terrible things to each other...
Well, again - watch that vide. From it it's clear that Russians haven't actually done anything terrible in Ossetia. The worst they could be acused of is not stopping Ossetians from burning ethnical Georgian property (people were allowed to leave). And this happened BEFORE Russian army arrived.
Well there were Americans of Ossetian descent who were visiting their family back in Southern Ossetia when the war happened. They came back and said in a n interview that they blamed Saakashvili and praised the Russian Army.
Screw Nato. i think Nikita Sergeevitch Khrustchev is turning in hell that his homeland wants to be a Nato member. lol they even trying to get Australia and New Zealand in it. are they completely mad? North Atlantic is 10000 miles away.
Well...NATO may hae an expanded role in the future. Don' tell me you all don't wish for the return of the Warsaw Pact....Besides you all got your alliances. Tell me how the Shanghai Cooperation Orgnaization is working out with China...
USA not only created World Financial Crisis, where millions of people loosing their jobs, projects are stopped, people lost money and homes. USA also began 2 wars under false pretext, occupied Iraq (Iraq never attacked USA), killed more that millions civillians! Because of USA the production of drugs in Afghanistan rised 40 TIMES! USA also changed regimes in S.America and post-Soviets countries.
It's NATO (under USA), which DESTABILISE WORLD, and It's USA, which create all problems!
Well, independence certainly is NOT the "globalist-internationalist" nonsense we seem to be moving toward. That is nothing but an updated version of feudalism. The USA is being robbed of our sovereignty by this treason.
Pat Buchanan conservative commentator in US has strongly condemned anti-Russian foreign policy in Bush Administration. He asks,"Why stick our finger in resurgent Russia's eye? They are swimming in petro-dollars and US is flat broke!" Why does Russia dabble in W. Hemisphere? Well, why Eastward Expansion of NATO??? There is no need of NATO. Warsaw pact is dissolved. NATO has outlived its usefulness. US out of NATO! Who benefits from tensions between USA & Russia? Certainly NOT USA or Russia!
You see this is a chess game of individuals with the whole country of infantry mens at their disposal.. Thank god there is still in USA somebody like you that is able to understand what is trily happening.
It is not a sure thing, but sane economic and foreign policy are at least possible. What is required 1st is cooperation among USA, Russia, China & India. If these 4 super powers cooperate, the rest of the world can join them. But this must not be globalists' "new world order." Sovereignty of every nation state must be respected! Know this. Attack on Hotel Taj in Mumbai was intended to derail multi-lateral cooperation among US, Russia, China & India and to foment a war between India & Pakistan.
You guys have to read up on east-european history. Over centuries Russia was an imperialistic power, for 3 centuries it tried to subjugate ukrainian people, without success.
Putin wants to re-establish a hegemony for Russia.
But what is Russia today?
Except for their natural resources and a narrow field of top scientific development in space technology?
Meddling in Ukrainian affairs and hoping to somehow clow Ukraine into its fold seems to be one of Putin's goals?
NATO = independent Ukraine? LOL C'mon man... Czechs are in NATO and the citizens were denied the ability to decide if they want US radar or not. Not to mention Polish people with the actual missile base... So where do you see the independence and freedom? Ukraine as it is is independent. It has no militry or political pact with Russia nor west. THIS is true independence...
Guess you missed all the protests and the fact that more than 90% of the Ukrainian population is against joining NATO!
That's just awesome democracy isn't it? I guess that is what you want for the Ukrainians, let them be the bitches and take the pounding.
And guess what, Ukraine is nothing but a mere piece of land that US is making exclusive for fighting against Russia just in case some conflict will get loose.
Heh believe me Russians are back in Cuba. So if a conflict will ocur, it will be over sooner than the possibility of USA vs. Russia fight on Ukrainian land will arise. Nuclear exchange will decide the victorious side within hours. And as we speak Russians have better ABM shield than USA. US shield is in deployment/development stage at the moment.
SlaveStorm, I love your "free range" metaphor. It is correct, unfortunately. I am a professor in the Midwest, and my students are schocked to learn how far US living standards have fallen since the peak year of 1972. Except for toys like IPODS, cell phones, and other digital trinkets from Chinese sweatshops, it has been downhill since then. Working-class families in the US have MAYBE 75% of the REAL purchasing power they had in '72. One reason? All of these reckless & costly foreign wars.
The empire has convinced people they are free and live in independent nation states.
An illusion for the free range debt slaves kept alive by the application of meaningless choices like paper or plastic, smoking or non smoking, christian, jew, muslim.
It's all a joke folks. You're all just free range debt slaves in the Global UCC Biblical Admiralty Law Empire.
Free range chickens end up as McNuggets. What do they have planned for you?
I dont think the EU is going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Its not worth it..Ukraine is basically bankrupt right now. Why risk the total destruction of Europe for Ukraine? I think if Russia just stays firm on Ukraine it will win.
I find this pretty amusing...you guys are over here in the Western hemisphere in Cuba, Venezuela...etc... And we're not publicly threatening war against any of them! LOL!
ahaha) I know that in Georgia this information was shown as GREAT and VERY CLEVER DECISION) LOLZ. NATO just fucked Georgia. Most of main countries, like Germany and France will not want your "great" country in NATO) Loosers. But you, naive Georgians, still believe in fairy tales and can't accept reality)
Also NATO sent letter in Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, asking to re-begin dialogiue and partnership with Russia. Like EU early) Just accept, that people know the truth) Cheers)
Lol. You are so funny. EU does this because they need so, these are games played by them so they can avoid WAR! They are peaceful not like you Russians. They look for peaceful ways and I appreciate it, it is just a demonstration of peace by EU and NATO. But surely it doesn't mean refuse for joining and you know that!
Ah so Russia is a violent country? Ok lets take it from this side. How many wars did russians led during the 1990s? Chechnya, Chechnya, Georgia. And US? Iraq, Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq. In every US war except the last one, NATO was involved as well. That goes 3 to 4 wars in favour of NATO. So again... which one is more violent? Statistics are clear... ITS NATO, NOT RUSSIA! And your asskissing Sakashvili was the one that recently start the avalanche called Georgian war! Live through this!
Ahh, it's not about how many wars... It is about what wars. Iraq and Afganistan. They're the different wars. They're not wars to be part of USA. They're wars against terrorism. Even citizens of those countries are against terrorists.
Oh, yeah. Also citizens of those countries are agaisnt American soldiers, who are killing them. kartveli2, you are another crazy brainwashed georgian without brains and all your comments are absurd. In last 17 years Russia BEGAN NO ONE WAR against foreign country. In this 17 years USA killed more than 1,5 millions civillians in more than 15 countries. Who is violent, idiot? Use brains and don't watch CNN/Faux.
Ofcourse you guys started wars...what about when you guys were in Afghanistan, ehhh???
You guys killed 20 million in the good old days of the USSR and those were your own citizens... you guys provoked war against Finland back in '38 if you want to go really far back.
Afganistan war happened at the time of USSR (about 20 years ago) and was very unpopular with Russian population. As for Chechnia - it was a complicated subject, considering massive terrorist attacks in Moscow (appartment blocks blown up, bombs in the underground etc), carried out by Chechens for years before the war. All American wars have been happenning on a consistent basis- Vietnam,Bosnia,Afganistan,Iraq and are almost all recent! And let's not forget Hiroshima. But who counts? :-)
You wanted to go back? Ok psl... who was the one that allmost wiped out ouf earth surface native american indian tribes? Who was the one that led territory wars against them... and who was the one that led war even among themselves (north against south). So if you really want to go back to history, first before bragging about of someone elses history, look up on your own.
Flankymanga...and I suppose Catherine the Great's expansion into the East was a goodwill tour. And I also suppose that Stalin's gulags were nothing more than summer camps....LOL!
Come now, we're trying to find ways to come together, not re-open old wounds. If you would rather be enemies than friends, just say so....
If you throw a wooden stick into a burning flame... you don't expect the flame to be weakened by such action :)
I guess you know what im pointing to. Pointing to Russian history is not adequate at this moment. As i said we could point to american one as well, but youre right it wouldn't solve anything. Western world is desperately trying to encircle Russia. Russia is on huge defensive position and well... west is "coming together" ending near russian borders with missiles :)
Flanky Manga, if I were born a Russian, I'd feel that I was being encircled too!!! How many times do I have to say that I don't blame you for your perspective or way of thinking??
I don't know where everyone one this board is living at the moment, but I live in the West, as you no doubt already know. I don't think the majority of us here support encircling Russia or anything like that. For both of our nations, the world scene has expanded and we are involved in each other's regions.
I live in the West too, and I know that nobody wants to go to war with Russia (neither Russia wants to go to war with NATO). But the western politicians and media just keep kicking Rusia for no reason. And that of course creates resentment in Russia, which in turn prevents it from "westernising" itself in political terms.
Now you mentioned our media. We have three major TV outlets. FOX, CNN and MSNBC. The only one of these three that is anti-Russian is FOX. And they represent only a segment of the TV market. And the majority in the US sees right through them!!!
There are politicans who are anti-Russia, but they are the old "hawks" from the Cold War. One of them being John McCain, and he lost decisively.
suryavajra, about media. You measure this by your own point of view. When I watch CNN on Russia, I percieve them as anti-Russian too. Also, what I see as cheating - cutting interviews, commenting pieces so that they fall into the needed pattern etc.
I do think that the news accounts were not covering the situation accurately and it certainly presented the pro-Georgian view more than the pro-Ossetian view,I understand that. But I also think that we as Americans are atleast smart enough to understand after the experiences of the last 10-15 years, that the world is a more complicated place than the news lets on! I know a lot of Americans who would read Russian newspapers and news shows if for no other reason than to get your side of the story.
Yes, I noticed how "Americans are atleast smart enough" in first month after 8 August, looking at their comments "Fuck Russia", "Fuck communists" and same shit. Don't write absurd.
Pro-Ossetian view NEVER was shown on US Media. Tskinvalli NEVER was shown! President of S.Ossetia NEVER was shown! Only 3 months after war, some normal journalists start to say truth about conflict, and not in US.
Don't say for all Americans, please. I have big experiance for last 4 months (today 8 December)
You are honestly going to use youtube comments as an accurate gauge of Anti-Russian sentiment, Igor??? LOL! How do you know that none of those guys were snotty 13-year olds sitting in their parent's basement??? hahaha!
And yes, the Pro-Ossetian view was shown, but not as much as the pro-Georgian view.
So I take it that you have bee in the US for the last few months from your last statement???
And pretty much every western media more or less are anti-russian. Its just that FOX brought it to extremes. CNN and BBC for example aired an interview with sakashvili positioning him as a "poor victim" or Russian invasion and marking the Russian intervention in Georgia as flexing its muscles. First of all the media and the ruling party - not just the presidents and senate, but the guys in military and pentagon as well. Their thoughts of Russia had to be changed. Only then peace could come!
suryavajra, about feeling encircled. It si not just the way of thinking. If you want an idea how NATO expansion can feel, imagine that it was US that desintegrated into 15 pieces in the wake of cold war, that Russia is now in a military aliance with both Mexico and Kanada and pushing for memberhip of some of the former US states;) Would you not be asking youself, where does this stop, unless you make it stop?
ika6toze, once again, I don't blame you for your line of thought. If the same thing happened to the US, I'd feel exactly the same. :)
I am not a fan of this Shakashvili. I didn't like him from the first moment I saw him interviewed, by Fox News, no less.
Personally I'd agree with the Conservative commentator, Pat Buchanan. He was a big anti-communist back in the day, but he has consistently said it was a mistake to expand NATO into Eastern Europe much less, the former Soviet Union.
Well i could say that i live in west too (ex-communist country).However my friend you havent noticed yet that im not saying that you are anti-russian. Im just saying that if you want them and us to come close together, then its not a good way to post comments like "Ofcourse you guys started wars...what about when you guys were in Afghanistan, ehhh???" - this would certainly have the opposite effect, moreover more guys will start digging to american history like vietnam etc. this i wanted to tell
you're responding to a comment I made six months ago?? What a loser you are....
suryavajra 2 years ago
Hello everyone! How are you all doing?
suryavajra 3 years ago
Igor is right that the "want to kill" moment does not come when you leave the theatre, but it can come when some real event seems to fit the image, which is already negative.
Igor there is one movie I know - it is K 19´- The Widowmaker, it came out in the beginning of 2002.
Suryavajra, I do not know about any spy movie, but action/gangster - yes - you could watch Brat 2, it is on youtube.
ika6toze 3 years ago
Will do, ika6toze. I'll check it out.
Now regarding this real event that fits the image, the reality is the over here in the States there are many Russians who immigrated here. I was actually talking to by Russian friend about the Ossetia situation a couple weeks ago at a mutual friend's birthday party in the Park...
suryavajra 3 years ago
And again I'm not holding you at fault of going into Chechniya other than that you are soo against the US going into Afghanistan for the same exact reason!! That is hunting very dangerous mass killers also known as terrorists!
Come now, we should actually be seeing eye to eye on the terorrism issue. Your people have been killed in the same horrible ways that my people have been killed. So where's the issue here?
suryavajra 3 years ago
Personally I think going to Afganistan couldn't have been avoided. There should be consequences to terrorist actions. It's like Russia going into Georgia for the same reason (and Chechnia).(Mind you, it withdrew itself few weeks later).But I wish our countries stopped blaming each other for exactly the same thing.
natlissits 3 years ago
Yes, natlissits, once agian your reasoning is correct. What is happening in Afghanistan shouldn't just concern Americans. It should concern us all, yeah??
I am the son of Indian immigrants and I was horrified by the Mumbai terrorist attacks. The same terrorists that attacked the US eight years ago, and Mumbai a week ago, can attack Russia and Western Europe tommorrow. This is why international terorism ie Al Qaida concerns us all despite our petty differences and arguments.
suryavajra 3 years ago
They had already attacked Russia - remember the musical theater attack in Moscow ? And the Beslan school? Well, those were Chechen muslim fundamentalists, but it's the same terrorism.
And that's what our countries should be concentrating on, instead of quarrelling with each other.
natlissits 3 years ago
Yes natlissits!!! And I'd wager that many of these Chechen terrorists recieved traning in Afghanistan. Islamic-inspired terrorism is going to be a major issue into the future. And personally I will never, ever trust the Saudis.
If there's another place to criticize American foireng policy, it is our reliance on Saudi oil, consequently leading us to be in a position where they are our allies when they are really our enemies!!
suryavajra 3 years ago
Anyway, there is no doubt that Bush administration has made itself very unpopular around the world. And once again - personally I hope that the world calms down and stops playing petty power games with Obama's presidency.
natlissits 3 years ago
Just caompare usual pictures of US Army and Russian Army in foreign countries.
Practically in every country, in which US Army taken part, there were protests against US soldiers. There were only negative feelings from population to US army.
And what is usual picture of Russian Army. Remember Prishtina? Remember Tskinvalli? Civillians giving flowers to Russian soldiers, when they going or russing on tanks through the streets.
The same about Russian ships and US ships.
Feel the differencies?
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
I know a couple of Afghans over here who would disagree with you about giving flowers to Russian troops, Igor...hahahahahaha!
Do I feel a difference....not really. I know a Czech girl who hates communism with a passion. I mean it depends on the part of the world we're in, yeah???
The only place where both countries seem to be popular at the same time is in India. And I've been there many times. :)
suryavajra 3 years ago
Do you read my comments? I talk about Russian Federation, not USSR. Or maybe you don't know differencies?
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
No need to take that snotty tone with me igor...
Russian Federation....ehhh?? So you guys are thinking you're all new and improved?? Puuhhhlease, spare me Igor. A lot of the politicans around today have had links back to the old communist order. What was Putin doing back then??
And your while the scope of the foreign policy has changed owing to the economic difficulties you all had in the 1990s, nothing has really changed when it comes to fundamental nature of your strategy.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Where is "snotty tone"?
You can say what you want and accuse anyone. But know, that your opinion is not the only one true. There are also FACTS, not only fantazies. Understand?
The main problem is that "Russia" by US vision, films and propoganda is not REAL Russia. And you accusing that "fantazy evil Russia", which is painting in US. Just because US need antogonist, to explain all their actions. Like they use "fear of muslims" to explain million of civillian deaths in Iraq.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Igor, Igor, Igor. We don't need an antagonist, bro. You're the one making a big deal about thises so-called movies. What movie, what films are you reffering to???
And you guys don't use fear of Muslims, yeah?? What did you do in Chechniya, hmmmm??? You levelled the place. Then you built it back up with a pro-Moscow leader in charge.
Again, whenever you talk you talk about how bad the US is and how horrible we are...Ohhh WAAAAAH!
suryavajra 3 years ago
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Oh, I don't remember film, where Russian is normal and adequate. Everywhere they are criminals or crazy. Is this not a propoganda?
Few examples:
Armageddon - Russian alcoholic on space station (absurd)
Snatch - Russian "gangster" "Boris the Blade"
A Beautiful Mind - Crazy Russians want to attack USA.
Running Scared - Russian crazy alcoholic, who dreams about "cowboys"
Indiana Jones 4 - Crazy communists
..and more..
And everywhere actors are not Russians and have terrible accent.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Igor, I haven't watched half of the movies you mentioned.
I'm pretty certain that Indiana Jones and Beautiful Mind has Russians as villains because both movies are set in the middle of the Cold War.
As for the others, they engage in steotypes of poor taste, I think, but it certainly doesn't seem to me that they paint Russians in a threatening light, yeah???
suryavajra 3 years ago
Do you understand, that this your comment is not an argument?
"but it certainly doesn't seem to me that they paint Russians in a threatening light"
You even don't watch it, what are you talking about?
Your arguments are absurd..
I can write many such films, which is filming many years AFTER end of cold war, and only create hate in Americans to Russians. Is this not a propoganda, I repeat? You may not to answer, I understand all very well...
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Hold on Igor, you were the one that described to me that in some of the movies the russians portrayed were drunks, yeah?? Using YOUR description, I made a comment saying that while those depictions are stereotypes, that may be in poor taste, I don't think that in that context, people would be led to believe that Russians are a threatening people.
Dumb-ass Hollywood directors make these films, not a propoganda bureau, hence I have trouble believing that there's a wider conspiracy, yeah??
suryavajra 3 years ago
Holywood directors know that it would sell. Once again - Russia is a "safe" enemy,the one that is not known for suicide attacks or any real threat. Western world is raised on James Bond culture. Hero versus anti hero. Except, Russia doesn't really fit anymore into the anti hero role, so the west is desperately trying to push it into it. They are lost without perceiving themselves as heros, so they need Russians to be villans.
natlissits 3 years ago
In fact, I'd actually be interested to see a Russian spy or action movie where the American is a bad guy!! LOL!
Remember the movie Air Force One??? The Russians in that movie were our allies against a miltary dictator in Central Asia...
suryavajra 3 years ago
Well, now I am trying hard to remember one and honestly can't. Not even from the cold war times - Russians were not into spy movies, really. The only one I can think of was about Russian spy in Germany during the WW2. Actually very good one. But there are also lots jokes based on that film, which are even better.
natlissits 3 years ago
Now that I find interesting, natlissits. I would have thought that a lot of movies were made in Russia about the Cold War, from your side of the story. so what kind of movies interest Russians?? I've read somewhere that there are a number of historical films being made, yeah??
suryavajra 3 years ago
Historical films, also films based on literature,like "Master and Margarita" by Bulgakov. All kinds of "art" films (by Tarkovsky for instance)... Comedies - there are some great ones. Romantic comedies...
natlissits 3 years ago
Yes, there's onme I've been wanting to watch. A movie that takesplace in Kazakhstan a few hundred years ago. I believe that this was another one of the new Russian films. In fact all of the actors were Russian, as I recall...
suryavajra 3 years ago
Ah, the one that wone some prize recently. Actually,interesting thing about it is(if it's the one I'm thinking about), that the director is Russian of Georgian origin. Quite multinational.
natlissits 3 years ago
Yes!! I'll try to find the name of it!!
But it had to do with Kazakh history, and how the three major tribes of that country united against the Mongols.
I watched the previews and I thought it was very well done. In fact it seems a lot more interesting than a lot of the movies coming out of Hollywood! LOL!
suryavajra 3 years ago
There is one, by Nikita Mikhalkov, which might be translated to English, called "Le soleil trompeur" - in French. About communism, actually, shows how the communist terror was allowed to happen in terms of ordinary people, who were mislead to believe it was a good thing, until they reaized (too late) that it all went wrong.
natlissits 3 years ago
I'd love to watch it.
suryavajra 3 years ago
My messages seem to stop coming through. The name of one of the 70 comedies is "Kavkazskaya plennitsa". There are quite a few bits from it on YouTube.
natlissits 3 years ago
Yeah that happens from tiome to time on here. I'll be sure to check it out. So let me ask you, natlissits...Are Russian commedies like American sitcoms or something very different??
suryavajra 3 years ago
Not dissimilar. Strangely I find them much less funny in recent years though, than, say, those of the 60s, 70s, 80s. Acting is not as good now, for some reason. Don't know why. The same goes for French and English films.Some Hollywood films are very good though (apart from rubbishing Russians).
natlissits 3 years ago
Same here in the US. You get the feeling that the shows in past, were a lot more well done. Now days they seem to be putting out crap.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Maybe the quantity has replaced the quality. Pop music is not the same either - no more individuality. Everybody just have to fit the same "formula".
natlissits 3 years ago
Yeah, I grew up in the 1980s and 1990s, natlissits, and we had awesome comedies back then. And the music was awesome back then. Now everything just seems boring....
suryavajra 3 years ago
Pity none of the Russian comedy films from the 70s are translated to English. Some are hilarious.
natlissits 3 years ago
Are any of them on youtube?
suryavajra 3 years ago
No matter who making it. The most important thing is RESULT of such films. And result is only negative. I know, that education system in US is not good, and the only source where Americans can know something about world is FILMS. Also why the make films, based on stereotypes, in times of Google and Wikipedia? And I always laugh on terriblr accent. Even we often can't understan, what this stupid actors say on Russian. Is Hollywood very poor to invite Russian on this roles? I don't think so.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Igor, i think you overrestimate the effect of these films. No sane American of this day and age watches this movies in the theater and comes out wanting to kill some Russians...I mean come on, my friend.
Now there are movies with Russians as the heroes. Ever watch the movie, Enemy at the Gate???
suryavajra 3 years ago
Yes, maybe the only film.
"to kill some Russians"
Why only to kill. Do you know what means "hate"? And I repeat: don't say for all. This is wrong.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
There are other films as well.
I am not saying that I'm speaking for all. Did I say that???? Neither do I think you speak for all Russians for that matter. Nobody here on youtube, can claim that, yeah??
suryavajra 3 years ago
I cam ackross f...Russia kind of comments too. But there are also f... America comments on YouTube too and lots of swearing coming from all the places towards each other. People just use the YouTube as an outlet fot their negativity. Much safer than shouting at your boss, who pissed you off during the day.
natlissits 3 years ago
That's true natlissits. You encounter all kinds of racism here, and you cannot avoid it. Don't let that negativity ruin your day or your week.
suryavajra 3 years ago
And the recent one "Charly something's war"? With Tom Hanks - "let's kill some Russians" phrase? This film is particularly hilarious because now Americans are fighting against the same talibans than Russians did back then.
natlissits 3 years ago
Yeah...Charlie Wilson unleashed opened a can of worms, don't you think?? He and many others like him in the power establishment unwittingly gae aid to Islamists, only for those snakes to bite us back.
To be fair there were people in the CIA and the military who were completely against this idea. Read Bob Baer's "See No Evil", if you get the chance...
suryavajra 3 years ago
Yes, it certainly did. I'll try to find and read it, thanks.
natlissits 3 years ago
I'll email you a passage that i read which you will find very interesting natlissits!
Bob Baer was a CIA field agent who was all over the world. If you want to know about the real CIA, the good, the bad, and the ugly, you should definitely read Bob Baer.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Ok, thanks, suryavajra. Sounds interesting.
natlissits 3 years ago
Just say me wars, which Russia BEGAN since 1991? Don't remember? Yeah, right. Because Russia began NO ONE WAR against foreign country since 1991.
Let's write countries, which were invaded/attacked by US since 1991: Iraq,Somalia,Angola,Colombia,Turkey, Rwanda,Indonesia,Afghanistan,Guatemala, Yugoslavia,Kuwait,Palestinian Territories, Peru,Algeria,Lebanon,Haiti.
I even don't talk about "regime changes" by US.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
You guys (Russian Federation) didn't begin wars during that time, you know why??
Because for 10 years, your economy was in shambles until Putin came in with an iron fist and brought control. So for that time your focus was inward, not outward. Only until you restructured your economy and brought back order, are you now feeling your oats again.
Since I am running out of time and space, I'd love to email you regarding the list of countries you have presented and go through it together, yeah??
suryavajra 3 years ago
As I see, you "very well" know Russia's history. Because you never said, that it was 1st and 2nd Chechen Wars. And 1st was began in december, 1994, in time of Eltsin's presidency. So all your opinion is crusing by little fact)
Please, stop this absurd "bla bla bla". All that you are writing is very predicted, and heard many times before and all this was prooved many times as simple misinformation.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
I never said I knew Russian history well!! But one thing Igor. I will never accuse you of knowing Americn history well, my friend! LOL!
Now regarding Chechniya, the Soviets were involved in Chechniya and so was the Czar if you want to go a couple of hundred years back. Yet you are presenting your country as if it was only born in 1994...
suryavajra 3 years ago
So i take it that you really want to be our enemies, ehh Igor??
Could it be that you guys are secretly jealous and envious of the US, so you have to constantly be linked to us as our adversaries and antagonist. Personally I have nothing against Russia or her people. But it seems you have a thing against Americans. If our peoples want to be friends...so be it. But I for one am not going to crawl on my hands and knees, kiss your ass, and confess my so-called sins, yeah???
suryavajra 3 years ago
Alright Igor, you have me intrigued about something. What exactly is the "Real Russia" tahat the US is not depicting??? What would you like someone like me to know??
suryavajra 3 years ago
What on Earth makes you think that nothing has changed? For a start,the election system has changed (we vote now, like you do) Nobody feels threatenned by the government (contrary to what the West choses to believe). The economic situation has improved a lot. And we don't mess with other countries anymore, unless they attack first (like Georgia).
natlissits 3 years ago
Your intenral politics have changed, yes. But your external foreign policy aims remain the same. That's not bad and I'm not making a moral judgment on you. It's the way the world spins, yeah???
You guys are still concerned about Eastern Europe. Has that changed??
You still care about Central Asia. Has that changed??
You see?? Our internal politics have changed, bout our strategic disposition has not.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Russia is concerned about installing NATO military devices at its borders - that's about the only thing they feel strongly about, which is understandable. Wouldn't America be concerned about that ?
natlissits 3 years ago
natlissts, those conerns are understandable. I'm not faulting your reasoning or casting judgement on your morals unlike our friend Igor, here.
What I am arguing is that your strategic disposition hasnot changed. It is a fact and not a value judgment. No matter whehter you were ruled by the Czar, or the communists, or by a democratic order, Russia will always be worried about her borders in Eastern Europe and her borders in Central Asia.
suryavajra 3 years ago
In fact Russia's disposition is such, that it will always be a super power or atleast a great power no matter who is in charge, so long as it's not an anarchic situation.
suryavajra 3 years ago
And so will America - we are no different there. Just hopefully our governments will be wise enough not to provoke each other unnecessarily. Live and let live.
natlissits 3 years ago
Absolutely natlissits. We are not different in our perspective. Nobody is running around here thinking of ways to conquer, destroy, or even exploit Russia, just as I suspect that there's nobody over there that wants to do serious harm to the US by trying to conquer or destroy us!!
suryavajra 3 years ago
suryavajra, hating "communism" with passion seems to be a part of a new ideology chosen by some in the Czech Republic, but even in our part of the world they are not a majority. There are others who see things from a perspective.
ika6toze 3 years ago
And what perspective might that be ika6toze, I'm all ears...
suryavajra 3 years ago
Anyway, arguing about the past is a waste of time, in my opinion. We should all concentrate on improving the political climate, not rubbishing each other.
natlissits 3 years ago
Here, here natilissits. We DO have a lot of common interests. Loose Nukes, terrorism, economic ties...etc.
We both want to see a more stable world climate as opposed to a chaotic and fragmented world. Not so??
suryavajra 3 years ago
Hope so.
natlissits 3 years ago
Even UK has at least 3 wars under its belt for the last 50 years .(Folkland, Afganistan, Iraq).A small country like Potugal had wars in Angola and Moçambique. But no! - let's blame it all on Russia! Bitching others is much more pleasant activity than facing your own problems.
natlissits 3 years ago
Am I bitching at Russia??? natlissits, I'm not blaming anybody, not Russia or Portugal or the US or the UK....
I'm just amazed that they're throwing a hissy fit because we enjoy favorable relations with Yushenko and Saakashvili. I can guarantee you that nobody in the political mainstream cares that the Russians are in bed with Chavez and Castro.... (cont.)
suryavajra 3 years ago
Yes, I'd say there is definitely a tendency to bitch at Russia and blame it for about everything.
natlissits 3 years ago
I'm not bitcing at Russia at all...LOL! They're simply following a foreign policy that they've done for centuries and I don't hold it against them.
Can't we all just stop being drama queens for a minute and actually do something that addresses our common interests???? LOL!
suryavajra 3 years ago
About drama queens - precisely my thoughts. Looking forward to Obama's presedency and really hoping for the improvement of the relationship between Russia and the US.
natlissits 3 years ago
natlissits, may I ask you something?? Are you Russian yourself??
And by the way, I'd wait for awhile before saying anything about Obama's "improving" on US-Russia relations if i were you. Our new Secretary of State is none other than Hillary Clinton! LOL!
I can't wait till we send her around the world. I tell you, she's going to raise a lot of hell. You guys may even wish you had Condoleeza Rice back! LOL!
suryavajra 3 years ago
Yes, I am partly Russian. As for Hilary, during her husband's presidency the relationship with Russia was at its best ever. But time will show. So far signs have been good, but as Medvedev put it, I am cautiously optimistic.
natlissits 3 years ago
matlissits, Weren't the russians steaming mad about Bosnia??? That was her husband's war.
I mean, we almost went to war when General Clark refused to allow the Russian Army to land....and that order was was countermanded by a British General.
What part of Russia are your ancestors from?? I've always wanted to visit there. I have a few Russian friends, myself.
suryavajra 3 years ago
From Moscow. Russians were not particularly steaming mad about Bosnia, as I recall, because Bosnia was in a messy situation already. Anyway, if US were allowed to go on a "rescue mission", why not Russia ? The relationship with the US deteriorated during Bush's presidency, by the way.
natlissits 3 years ago
Well as you know, a lot of our military and political officials still think in Cold War terms. I'd imagine that the same mirror condition exists in Russia, hence the quick withdrawal back into a Cold War-like situation.
Personally I donot care if Russia is in Bosnia...Just saying that I thought Russia was mad at all that went on in Yugoslavia and that Milosevic was your boy.
suryavajra 3 years ago
That's totally untrue. Milosevic is not "our boy". And Russia is not in Bosnia. As for the cold war mentality - there is more of it from the western part than from Russians. Russians's been keeping trying to be in a good relation with the West for years, only to be constantly picked upon (mostly for no reason). I think West needs a "safe" enemy like Russia in order to feel good about themselves. Safe - because they know that there will be no suicide bombing or anything.
natlissits 3 years ago
Ofcourse he was your boy...Back in the Cold War he was a fellow commie...
Personally I think the "safe" enemy comment of yours is an interesting one, because I share the same sentiment. I think we need to focus on the real threats happening in the world.
But that said, I highly doubt that your leaders are so unlike ours. I'm sure Putin still has animosity towards the West. I'm not blaming him one bit. Old habits die hard. The same with our leaders.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Putin's been trying to be friends with the West for quite a while. He gave up when it became apparent that that was a one way effort. Cold War time is over a long time ago, and during the Cold War, by the way, Russian population didn't have any anti american feelings (just the government). They do now, because they see the injustice towards Russia. Don't forget that Russia (Gorbachev, Eltsin) were the ones who made an effort to stop the cold war and change Russia's political regime.
natlissits 3 years ago
natlissits, none of us here have had anti-Russian or anti-Slavic sentiment except for a few racists here and there. And people remember that we were allies during the Second World War and many Americans will even tell you that Russia fight the lion's share of the war against Hitler. Only that we never liked Communism and never will.
Now about Putin. We did reach out to him. Didn't Bush say that he saw into Putin eyes and saw a good soul?? What do you call that, if not reaching out?
suryavajra 3 years ago
That might come as a surprise for you,but Russians don't like communism either (except for few freaks here and there). Anyway, the point is - our countries should cooperate, not fight.
natlissits 3 years ago
Well then, we have a lot in common then. And I think neither of our countries would profit from a new and expensive Cold War when we have to cooperate in restricitng the spread of nuclear weapons and capturing the loose nukes. We also have a common enemy in Islamic Terrorism, in particular Wahabi terrorism. Finally, greater economic ties may help the economies of both of our countries in the current economic environment. Personally I'd rather buy Russian oil than Saudi Oil....
suryavajra 3 years ago
Well, precisely my thoughts. Let's hope it all goes right for out countries and the rest of the world.
natlissits 3 years ago
Personally I donot understand why our government treats Russia so shabily when it was those Wahabi bastards from Saudi Arabia that have knifed us in the back at every opportunity.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Because it's safe and makes them look "tought". Killing 2 birds at the same time.
natlissits 3 years ago
I meant "tough" :-)
natlissits 3 years ago
Also Gorabchev and Yeltsin had to change the poltical order in Moscow. Communism was not sustainable in Russia and the Eastern Bloc. Not when those countries were falling further behind the West...and when their own people saw everything that was avialable in the West that they couldnot have in the East.
suryavajra 3 years ago
The political order has changed because our nation was ready for a change and had a HUGE support for these changes. Russia has also facilitated the desintegration of the USSR, which is now totally forgot by the ex soviet republics, who are busy with their petty revenges on Russia, which garantees them a financial support from the West.
natlissits 3 years ago
That is very true, natlissits. Hence my comment. The leaders were forced to change, because your people demanded them. And the leaders no longer had the will to crush the people as they had done in previous decades.
Now regarding financial support...Do you honestly think that these other republics are turning to us financially just to get their petty revege on Russia??? I had a college roomate from Azerbaijan and had nothing bad to say about Russians, and was proud to speak Russian.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Not Azerbaijan - too far away from the West and traditionally there have always been a good relationship with Russia. But the Baltic republics- Lithuania, Estonia etc... Poland, Ukraine (now), Georgia.
natlissits 3 years ago
Actually we do have a good relationship with Azerbaijan. In fact we even have a military relationship with them of sorts.
My former roomate got a student visa to come over here and study. We have invited sutdents from the former Soviet Republics to study at our universities. I kinda doubt that Americans would be invited to Russia to study in yours...LOL!
But anyway, he said that we Americans made a good choice in allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia...
suryavajra 3 years ago
Russia has a good relationship with both Armenia and Azerbaijan and didn't take sides in that conflict. As for the American students in Russia, when I studied in Moscow there's been plenty of them.
natlissits 3 years ago
So I guess it will fall on a new generation to actually solve the problems of the world today.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Hope so. As I said - I am cautiously optimistic about Obama.
natlissits 3 years ago
please forgive me for being blunt, but I like your singing, natlissits! :)
suryavajra 3 years ago
It's an expected fact of international relations that a country sitting under the shadow of a superpower would if they are not already under direct occupation, to contact a more distant power for economic and military aid. Don't know why my Russian friends are throwing up their hands in horror at this prospect. This kind of alliance formation have been going on for centuries...
I am interested in hearing opinions??
suryavajra 3 years ago
Suryavajra, that's precisely what happened in Ossetia - they asked Russia for help against Saakashvili's army killing their civilian population. If you want to go to bed with Saakashvili - good luck to you, but then don't complain when truth about his criminal actions comes out and you end up looking bad for sleeping with him.
natlissits 3 years ago
Naslissits, I'm still waiting to hear from my Russian friends what "criminal" actions Saakashvili has done...Don't get me wrong. I'm not a supporter of his. If anything I've seen him on TV, and I don't like his personality. That said, you want to talk about looking bad sleeping with somebdy, try sleeping with Fidel Castro for the last forty years, LOL! Now that's is baaaad....hahahaha!
suryavajra 3 years ago
How about killing a huge amount of Ossetian civilians overnight? Not criminal enough for you? And that's a fact, established by independent observers. Type BBC "Inside South Ossetia" for more details. BBC, from all the people ! That means something.
natlissits 3 years ago
Well...in that part of the world everyone is killing everyone else, yeah?? The Georgians tell us that the Ossetians and Abhikazians hae been killing them!
suryavajra 3 years ago
"in that part of the world everyone is killing everyone else" - that's not an excuse for massacring civilian population. As I said, watch BBC "Insice South Ossetia". It's made by INDEPENDENT OBSERVERS. That means it's an objective opinion, based on established facts.
natlissits 3 years ago
Not at all, natlissits. But I am saying that as a dispassionate outside observer, I see that it is a very complicated situation where both sides have done terrible things to each other...
suryavajra 3 years ago
Well, again - watch that vide. From it it's clear that Russians haven't actually done anything terrible in Ossetia. The worst they could be acused of is not stopping Ossetians from burning ethnical Georgian property (people were allowed to leave). And this happened BEFORE Russian army arrived.
natlissits 3 years ago
Well there were Americans of Ossetian descent who were visiting their family back in Southern Ossetia when the war happened. They came back and said in a n interview that they blamed Saakashvili and praised the Russian Army.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Well, yes, that's your answer. Some of them for shut up on national TV for not blaming Russia, as expected.
natlissits 3 years ago
LOL! hahahah... i haven't read so funny comment in a long time! :DDD ROFL
Flankymanga 3 years ago
Screw Nato. i think Nikita Sergeevitch Khrustchev is turning in hell that his homeland wants to be a Nato member. lol they even trying to get Australia and New Zealand in it. are they completely mad? North Atlantic is 10000 miles away.
pussyfiesta 3 years ago
Well...NATO may hae an expanded role in the future. Don' tell me you all don't wish for the return of the Warsaw Pact....Besides you all got your alliances. Tell me how the Shanghai Cooperation Orgnaization is working out with China...
suryavajra 3 years ago
USA not only created World Financial Crisis, where millions of people loosing their jobs, projects are stopped, people lost money and homes. USA also began 2 wars under false pretext, occupied Iraq (Iraq never attacked USA), killed more that millions civillians! Because of USA the production of drugs in Afghanistan rised 40 TIMES! USA also changed regimes in S.America and post-Soviets countries.
It's NATO (under USA), which DESTABILISE WORLD, and It's USA, which create all problems!
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Igorvasilevsky, I'm sure that the next thing you're going to argue is that the US orchestrated UFO sightings all around the world!! LOL!
suryavajra 3 years ago
OK, say me where I am wrong?
Financial Crisis - USA
Iraq, Afghanistan - USA (false pretext, fact)
Drug production rised - USA (there is statistics)
Change regimes - USA (Ushenko, Sukashvili - just two of more examples; find "Colour Revolutions" on wikipedia)
And I can prove all this things. You must only use facts sometimes.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago 2
ok..hoe's Afghanistand a false pretext?? bin Laden launched his terrorist attacks on the US from there???
That would be like me saying that Russia invaded and re-occupied Chechnya in the 1990s on false pretenses...
Drug production?? Hey..the Russian mafia are middlemen for the Heroi ntrade out of Afghanistan, so you guys are aiding and abetting....
As for Ukraine and Georgia, it's their choice whether they want to seek closer ties to us. Don't compain, you have Castro and Chavez...
suryavajra 3 years ago
Just a quick question.
Do you people even know the fucking definition of "Independence"?
Naminator236 3 years ago
Well, independence certainly is NOT the "globalist-internationalist" nonsense we seem to be moving toward. That is nothing but an updated version of feudalism. The USA is being robbed of our sovereignty by this treason.
TagsNOLA 3 years ago
Pat Buchanan conservative commentator in US has strongly condemned anti-Russian foreign policy in Bush Administration. He asks,"Why stick our finger in resurgent Russia's eye? They are swimming in petro-dollars and US is flat broke!" Why does Russia dabble in W. Hemisphere? Well, why Eastward Expansion of NATO??? There is no need of NATO. Warsaw pact is dissolved. NATO has outlived its usefulness. US out of NATO! Who benefits from tensions between USA & Russia? Certainly NOT USA or Russia!
TagsNOLA 3 years ago
You see this is a chess game of individuals with the whole country of infantry mens at their disposal.. Thank god there is still in USA somebody like you that is able to understand what is trily happening.
Flankymanga 3 years ago
It is not a sure thing, but sane economic and foreign policy are at least possible. What is required 1st is cooperation among USA, Russia, China & India. If these 4 super powers cooperate, the rest of the world can join them. But this must not be globalists' "new world order." Sovereignty of every nation state must be respected! Know this. Attack on Hotel Taj in Mumbai was intended to derail multi-lateral cooperation among US, Russia, China & India and to foment a war between India & Pakistan.
TagsNOLA 3 years ago
You guys have to read up on east-european history. Over centuries Russia was an imperialistic power, for 3 centuries it tried to subjugate ukrainian people, without success.
Putin wants to re-establish a hegemony for Russia.
But what is Russia today?
Except for their natural resources and a narrow field of top scientific development in space technology?
Meddling in Ukrainian affairs and hoping to somehow clow Ukraine into its fold seems to be one of Putin's goals?
NATO = indpendent Ukraine.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
NATO = slave Ukraine
TheSouthernGentleman 3 years ago
NATO = US slaves
OrphanPaper 3 years ago 3
NATO = independent Ukraine? LOL C'mon man... Czechs are in NATO and the citizens were denied the ability to decide if they want US radar or not. Not to mention Polish people with the actual missile base... So where do you see the independence and freedom? Ukraine as it is is independent. It has no militry or political pact with Russia nor west. THIS is true independence...
Flankymanga 3 years ago
true.
ika6toze 3 years ago
hahahha dude yea right.
Guess you missed all the protests and the fact that more than 90% of the Ukrainian population is against joining NATO!
That's just awesome democracy isn't it? I guess that is what you want for the Ukrainians, let them be the bitches and take the pounding.
And guess what, Ukraine is nothing but a mere piece of land that US is making exclusive for fighting against Russia just in case some conflict will get loose.
Naminator236 3 years ago
Heh believe me Russians are back in Cuba. So if a conflict will ocur, it will be over sooner than the possibility of USA vs. Russia fight on Ukrainian land will arise. Nuclear exchange will decide the victorious side within hours. And as we speak Russians have better ABM shield than USA. US shield is in deployment/development stage at the moment.
Flankymanga 3 years ago
i would join if i was georgia. just to piss russia off for starting a war with it.
if i was georgia, i would also agree for US missile installation.
US should expand its missile defenses. it should give georgia some missile defense for christmas!
NewOrder915 3 years ago
SlaveStorm, I love your "free range" metaphor. It is correct, unfortunately. I am a professor in the Midwest, and my students are schocked to learn how far US living standards have fallen since the peak year of 1972. Except for toys like IPODS, cell phones, and other digital trinkets from Chinese sweatshops, it has been downhill since then. Working-class families in the US have MAYBE 75% of the REAL purchasing power they had in '72. One reason? All of these reckless & costly foreign wars.
bboucharde 3 years ago
bbouch..
Re; Real purchasing power - same goes for Canada.
But that was forseeable - living standards will balance out worlwide.
Let's identify relative weaknesses of our (north american)system.
Are our kids studying as hard as kids in other parts of the planet?
Are our workers working as hard ..? etc.
So, other parts of the world will move up faster and we will stay behind.
Any solutions?
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
Kobzatoronto,
Good question. I will have to think about it and get back to you as workloads allow. Have a nice evening or day in your time zone.
BBoucharde
bboucharde 3 years ago
Fake governments, fake news and fake fear.
The empire has convinced people they are free and live in independent nation states.
An illusion for the free range debt slaves kept alive by the application of meaningless choices like paper or plastic, smoking or non smoking, christian, jew, muslim.
It's all a joke folks. You're all just free range debt slaves in the Global UCC Biblical Admiralty Law Empire.
Free range chickens end up as McNuggets. What do they have planned for you?
SlaveStorm 3 years ago
I dont think the EU is going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Its not worth it..Ukraine is basically bankrupt right now. Why risk the total destruction of Europe for Ukraine? I think if Russia just stays firm on Ukraine it will win.
Killazer 3 years ago
Why will Ukraine stay indedendent?
For 3 centuries Russian leaders tried to subjugate Ukrainians at a high price in human lifes to Ukraine.
It's over with. It was Russian imperialism at work.
It's like England going out and fighting to get the colonies back.
Just inform Putin.
Kobzatoronto 3 years ago
Ukraine was the birth of the Slavic people.
dirtyboy830 3 years ago
I find this pretty amusing...you guys are over here in the Western hemisphere in Cuba, Venezuela...etc... And we're not publicly threatening war against any of them! LOL!
You guys seriously needs chill out..hahahaha!
suryavajra 3 years ago
What if the two countries are willing to meet NATO's guidelines and still want to voluntarily join NATO?? What would Russia do??
suryavajra 3 years ago
The bomb, the bomb, the bomb, the bomb, the bomb, the bomb, the bomb that will bring us together.
Jaskono 3 years ago
won't let them.
Suyamu 3 years ago
Great Decision NATO. Than you for avoiding Georgia, Ossetia, Abkhazia and Ukraine another blood tears by Russia.
kartveli2 3 years ago
ahaha) I know that in Georgia this information was shown as GREAT and VERY CLEVER DECISION) LOLZ. NATO just fucked Georgia. Most of main countries, like Germany and France will not want your "great" country in NATO) Loosers. But you, naive Georgians, still believe in fairy tales and can't accept reality)
Also NATO sent letter in Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, asking to re-begin dialogiue and partnership with Russia. Like EU early) Just accept, that people know the truth) Cheers)
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Lol. You are so funny. EU does this because they need so, these are games played by them so they can avoid WAR! They are peaceful not like you Russians. They look for peaceful ways and I appreciate it, it is just a demonstration of peace by EU and NATO. But surely it doesn't mean refuse for joining and you know that!
kartveli2 3 years ago
Besides, Russia has a seat as an Observer in NATO... If we were still against Russia, why would we offer the Russians a seat at the table??
suryavajra 3 years ago
Nato needs Russia's help to fight nonmilitary security threats to its members, such as the proliferation of weapons and drug smuggling
pussyfiesta 3 years ago
Well...there you have you answer. It would seem that Russia and the NATO countries can cooperate on issues of mutual interest....
suryavajra 3 years ago
Ah so Russia is a violent country? Ok lets take it from this side. How many wars did russians led during the 1990s? Chechnya, Chechnya, Georgia. And US? Iraq, Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq. In every US war except the last one, NATO was involved as well. That goes 3 to 4 wars in favour of NATO. So again... which one is more violent? Statistics are clear... ITS NATO, NOT RUSSIA! And your asskissing Sakashvili was the one that recently start the avalanche called Georgian war! Live through this!
Flankymanga 3 years ago 2
Ahh, it's not about how many wars... It is about what wars. Iraq and Afganistan. They're the different wars. They're not wars to be part of USA. They're wars against terrorism. Even citizens of those countries are against terrorists.
kartveli2 3 years ago
Oh, yeah. Also citizens of those countries are agaisnt American soldiers, who are killing them. kartveli2, you are another crazy brainwashed georgian without brains and all your comments are absurd. In last 17 years Russia BEGAN NO ONE WAR against foreign country. In this 17 years USA killed more than 1,5 millions civillians in more than 15 countries. Who is violent, idiot? Use brains and don't watch CNN/Faux.
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
Ofcourse you guys started wars...what about when you guys were in Afghanistan, ehhh???
You guys killed 20 million in the good old days of the USSR and those were your own citizens... you guys provoked war against Finland back in '38 if you want to go really far back.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Afganistan war happened at the time of USSR (about 20 years ago) and was very unpopular with Russian population. As for Chechnia - it was a complicated subject, considering massive terrorist attacks in Moscow (appartment blocks blown up, bombs in the underground etc), carried out by Chechens for years before the war. All American wars have been happenning on a consistent basis- Vietnam,Bosnia,Afganistan,Iraq and are almost all recent! And let's not forget Hiroshima. But who counts? :-)
natlissits 3 years ago
You wanted to go back? Ok psl... who was the one that allmost wiped out ouf earth surface native american indian tribes? Who was the one that led territory wars against them... and who was the one that led war even among themselves (north against south). So if you really want to go back to history, first before bragging about of someone elses history, look up on your own.
Flankymanga 3 years ago
Flankymanga...and I suppose Catherine the Great's expansion into the East was a goodwill tour. And I also suppose that Stalin's gulags were nothing more than summer camps....LOL!
Come now, we're trying to find ways to come together, not re-open old wounds. If you would rather be enemies than friends, just say so....
suryavajra 3 years ago
Well my friend :)
If you throw a wooden stick into a burning flame... you don't expect the flame to be weakened by such action :)
I guess you know what im pointing to. Pointing to Russian history is not adequate at this moment. As i said we could point to american one as well, but youre right it wouldn't solve anything. Western world is desperately trying to encircle Russia. Russia is on huge defensive position and well... west is "coming together" ending near russian borders with missiles :)
Flankymanga 3 years ago
Flanky Manga, if I were born a Russian, I'd feel that I was being encircled too!!! How many times do I have to say that I don't blame you for your perspective or way of thinking??
I don't know where everyone one this board is living at the moment, but I live in the West, as you no doubt already know. I don't think the majority of us here support encircling Russia or anything like that. For both of our nations, the world scene has expanded and we are involved in each other's regions.
suryavajra 3 years ago
I live in the West too, and I know that nobody wants to go to war with Russia (neither Russia wants to go to war with NATO). But the western politicians and media just keep kicking Rusia for no reason. And that of course creates resentment in Russia, which in turn prevents it from "westernising" itself in political terms.
natlissits 3 years ago
Now you mentioned our media. We have three major TV outlets. FOX, CNN and MSNBC. The only one of these three that is anti-Russian is FOX. And they represent only a segment of the TV market. And the majority in the US sees right through them!!!
There are politicans who are anti-Russia, but they are the old "hawks" from the Cold War. One of them being John McCain, and he lost decisively.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Condoleezza on her own is quite enough. She is quite infuriating in the amount of patronizing clichés that comes out of her mouth.
natlissits 3 years ago
suryavajra, about media. You measure this by your own point of view. When I watch CNN on Russia, I percieve them as anti-Russian too. Also, what I see as cheating - cutting interviews, commenting pieces so that they fall into the needed pattern etc.
ika6toze 3 years ago
I do think that the news accounts were not covering the situation accurately and it certainly presented the pro-Georgian view more than the pro-Ossetian view,I understand that. But I also think that we as Americans are atleast smart enough to understand after the experiences of the last 10-15 years, that the world is a more complicated place than the news lets on! I know a lot of Americans who would read Russian newspapers and news shows if for no other reason than to get your side of the story.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Yes, I noticed how "Americans are atleast smart enough" in first month after 8 August, looking at their comments "Fuck Russia", "Fuck communists" and same shit. Don't write absurd.
Pro-Ossetian view NEVER was shown on US Media. Tskinvalli NEVER was shown! President of S.Ossetia NEVER was shown! Only 3 months after war, some normal journalists start to say truth about conflict, and not in US.
Don't say for all Americans, please. I have big experiance for last 4 months (today 8 December)
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
You are honestly going to use youtube comments as an accurate gauge of Anti-Russian sentiment, Igor??? LOL! How do you know that none of those guys were snotty 13-year olds sitting in their parent's basement??? hahaha!
And yes, the Pro-Ossetian view was shown, but not as much as the pro-Georgian view.
So I take it that you have bee in the US for the last few months from your last statement???
suryavajra 3 years ago
Watch this:
/watch?v=kbT_3cI_pwk
igorvasilevsky 3 years ago
And pretty much every western media more or less are anti-russian. Its just that FOX brought it to extremes. CNN and BBC for example aired an interview with sakashvili positioning him as a "poor victim" or Russian invasion and marking the Russian intervention in Georgia as flexing its muscles. First of all the media and the ruling party - not just the presidents and senate, but the guys in military and pentagon as well. Their thoughts of Russia had to be changed. Only then peace could come!
Flankymanga 3 years ago
suryavajra, about feeling encircled. It si not just the way of thinking. If you want an idea how NATO expansion can feel, imagine that it was US that desintegrated into 15 pieces in the wake of cold war, that Russia is now in a military aliance with both Mexico and Kanada and pushing for memberhip of some of the former US states;) Would you not be asking youself, where does this stop, unless you make it stop?
ika6toze 3 years ago
ika6toze, once again, I don't blame you for your line of thought. If the same thing happened to the US, I'd feel exactly the same. :)
I am not a fan of this Shakashvili. I didn't like him from the first moment I saw him interviewed, by Fox News, no less.
Personally I'd agree with the Conservative commentator, Pat Buchanan. He was a big anti-communist back in the day, but he has consistently said it was a mistake to expand NATO into Eastern Europe much less, the former Soviet Union.
suryavajra 3 years ago
Well i could say that i live in west too (ex-communist country).However my friend you havent noticed yet that im not saying that you are anti-russian. Im just saying that if you want them and us to come close together, then its not a good way to post comments like "Ofcourse you guys started wars...what about when you guys were in Afghanistan, ehhh???" - this would certainly have the opposite effect, moreover more guys will start digging to american history like vietnam etc. this i wanted to tell
Flankymanga 3 years ago