i think ovechkin is an all round better player than crosby. crosby is an amazing playmaker but ovechkin can do a little bit of everything ( shoot, pass, stickhandle, hit, etc.) ever see crosby lay out any big hits? Nuff said.
crosby just have more skill / but he is a cry baby and ovechkin has never fight and crosby has 5 fights i think / i dont know but thats all i have to say
@Wreckeningbassist666 ya even though he did do fuck all for the entire olympic games.. hes a loser. and believe me if i could say it to his face i would.. whats he gonna do bitch for a power play? and you bring money into this? parents are doctors bud.. making money as they deserve not like this bitch hockey player. so eat shit mr 666 harcore bass player goof
ovi fights for all his goals he doesnt sit in front of the net and wait for the puck to be delivered on his stick . ovis having a bad year but so is his team. crosby is good to but how good we'll probably never know ,you gotta be tough to be a hockey player. and hes another lindros maybe he can safely come back in a few years an put up some more stats but i dont know. Ovi more all around hockey player
@72buffaloman You're an idiot. You battle in front of the net, it's called fighting for space in front. It's knowing where to be for goals. Ovy's a no show. He's not even the best in a league without Crosby, how can he be the best when he's there? Ovy is an all around hockey player? Name me a player who's a powerforward, dangler, playmaker, sniper, grinder, and wins faceoffs and plays defense. Crosby.
crosby hasn't scored since his comeback vs ny islander's which suck it was all motivation just from coming back know hasn't scored yet 'but then he one stanley cup'' WRONG his team did and with his good coach and goalie. Ovie has won all trophies and has more points in same amount of seasons than crosby ovies D suck His goalie Sucks and his new Coach sucks and last crosby is just a pussy!!!!!!
what i hate is how people saw crosby is better cause his team won a stanly cup...sid didnt WIN the cup...his team did...and ovechkin cant win his team a cup!
@Ovieisbeast8 Yeah he was a minus one last night, is that what he needs to be? Plus he got pummeled by Paneuf 3 times on one shift. Ovechkin sucks soooo bad
Neither are them are better right at the moment. Ovechkin is playing poorly and Crosby isn't even playing. Maybe you guys should be discussing Kessel and Gerioux
@rowmike27 You know that makes a lot of sense. And I have also read some of your other comments and agree with you that +/- is an important statistic. Nice to see someone defending Crosby instead of hating on him. I'm baffled that Canadians in particular are all over him in this site, yet they hailed him as a national hero after he scored the winning goal in the Olympics.
@PuckFinFeather Thanks man. Yeah, it's so funny to see how fast some people jumped on the Crosby band wagon when he had the game winning goal for Canada two years ago and then how fast they jumped back off after the celebration was all said and done. It's useless talking with kdfsjljklgjfg. Crosby could have a 66 goal, 130 point season and the dude would say something ridiculous like "He only achieved that many points because he had Pascal Dupruis and Chris Kunitz as linemates".
@rowmike27 I think I get the gist of what you are saying. I am sure he can give us lots of reasons why Gretzky and Lemieux and Lidstrom are just mediocre players and undeserving of any individual awards. From his armchair he believes he knows more than NHL statisticians and that they should throw out the +/- category. It's always the people who have done the least that believe they know what's best. Have a good evening.
@rowmike27 It's amazing how ignorant you are. I've even SAID before that Crosby is an excellent player, and I've SAID that he is the face of the league. Yet you somehow think I'm acting like he's a 4th line scrub. Try understanding what I say before judging it.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Your words not mine. My point was anything Crosby has done you have a reason for undermining him. Everything on here from you is anti Crosby
@rowmike27 Alternately, everything Crosby hasn't done, you have a reason for raising him. Everything on here from you is pro-Crosby. So how are you any different from me, except with the opposite opinion?
@kdfsjljklgjfg Because it's easier to praise a great player like Crosby then it is to undermine him like you do. lol are you on here like every minute of every day? Seriously you're obsessed with people who praise Sidney Crosby.
@rowmike27 So just because it's easier to do, you assume that there is no other possible truth? Like maybe that the other players in the league aren't as far behind him as most Pens fans would like to believe?
@kdfsjljklgjfg lmao there you go trolling again... You think repeating what I said and mixing the words around a bit will make you sound smart? lol. Anyways, let me bring up a stat you obviously disregarded when I mentioned it before....not only is Crosby the active leader in PPG right now at 1.38, he's also 5th in all time PPG in NHL history. You have to be insanely biased or completely retarded to say its not easy to call him one of the greatest players ever the game.
@rowmike27 I can see that trying to explain something to this alphabet dude is like banging one's head against a wall over and over again. I shudder to think who is favourite player is. Just a wild guess but let's go with Avery or Maxime Lapierre.
@PuckFinFeather haha I actually enjoy arguing with the blind moron...its amusing. But I'm gonna go with you, I mean I think his favorite player is Sean Avery lol
The subject of this video is 'who is better'. Well, Crosby's ppg is better than ovechkin's this year and career. He has captained his team to a stanley cup and scored the golden goal to give Canada Olympic glory. Sid has won the Hart and Art Ross, same as ovechkin. Sid plays defense while ovechkin floats around the centre line bitching for breakaway passes. ovechkin gets benched while the whole world awaits Crosby's return. Boudreau gets fired while ovechkin floats. Who is better??? Ovbious
@juzu4me And yet you haven't been able to find a single player who does it consistently. The entire time you've been saying "but other people do it!" as if repeating it over and over again makes it more true. Yes, a lot of players have done better in the second half. So what? A lot of players have done better in the first half, so I don't see how that proves anything. The difference is, I've proven it, and you've just said it over and over again.
@kdfsjljklgjfg omg consistently? Does ovechkin get 65 consistently? You think he is the best player ever because he got 65 once, and since then he has become like you-useless and whiny. Now I said i wasn't going to babysit you on the topic anymore. You're a lonely internet bore with no friends and you're desperate to keep me talking. This is the only thing you have proven, especially with those awful videos. No scoot along, catch up with you at the end of the regular season.
@juzu4me Stop dancing around the main point. Has Crosby consistently done better in the second half, every single year? If he hasn't done better in the second half every single year, then you can't say that there's a 100% chance he would have that year. You act like he would have scored 70 goals, purely by going "thousands of players do better in the second." So? You haven't shown me a single player who ALWAYS does better in the second half.
@juzu4me That's alright. You didn't think you could get away with "but thousands of players do better in the second half!" anymore without looking like more of an idiot than you already have, and you realized that insulting someone personally in a discussion about hockey only made you look like you were so desperate to win you couldn't even keep on subject. That's fine. Only proves my point more about blind ignorant Crosby fans who lie and make ludicrous presumptions to "prove" their points.
Oh calm down and dream of ovechkin in your bed. I''ve never seen a youtube user so on his dick that it's pathetic. I swear Crosby should watch out because a freak like you might try to knife him or something. STICK
@kdfsjljklgjfg actually it was you who was ignoring common sense...but hey, if you don't have any common sense then you wouldn't even know you're ignoring it!! We wish you a merry Christmas we wish you a merry Christmas! I hope you quit being scroog and get in the spirit. Have a few drinks and call a girl.
@juzu4me Generally, if someone is able to provide more facts, there is more reason to believe that their side of the story is the true one. Yet, every time I point to MULTIPLE facts and evidence, you keep saying the same one that is immediately disputed. So, tell me what is a stronger argument. Multiple facts that support each other? Or one fact that is easily disputable?
@kdfsjljklgjfg omg, you're obsessed...and the reason you are obsessed is because deep down you know you are wrong but you have too much pride to admit it. Sorry for bothering you, was just feeling a bit of empathy for you but you aren't ready. Like an alcoholic at an intervention, you don't want any help. You're too blinded to see your faults and that means you don't know how wrong you are. Carry on, you can even use your other accounts to agree with your futile points. Bye bye
@juzu4me omg, you're obsessed...and the reason you are obsessed is because deep down you know you are wrong but you have too much pride to admit it. Sorry for bothering you, was just feeling a bit of empathy for you but you aren't ready. Like an alcoholic at an intervention, you don't want any help. You're too blinded to see your faults and that means you don't know how wrong you are. Carry on, you can even use your other accounts to agree with your futile points. Bye bye
@kdfsjljklgjfg lol you're becoming a little parrot-grinch now aren't you Polly lol HO HO HO how the grinch stole ovechkin's panties hahaha later grinch-scroog, have a drink on me
@juzu4me What can I say? You described yourself in that comment better than I ever could. I figured that maybe if you saw a reflection of yourself, it would hit you.
Ovechkin is a LW and Crosby is a C... comparing them are pointless because of their different responsibilities and roles on the ice... but if we look at all the facts... crosby seems to be more effective than ovechkin... and seems to have to do more on the ice... so take from that what you will... I still think Ovechkin is a great player... who just needs to learn to stop shooting 500 times a season
@Viperstrike28 Nice comparison between both players. I agree Crosby is the more effective one based on his career points per game. He's 4th all time with 1.39 ppg. Ovechkin produces as well but he's 8th with a 1.26 ppg. If Crosby took as many shots as Ovechkin he would have pretty much 50 goals every season too lol
@Viperstrike28 Sure Ovechkin has 632 points, and Crosby has 583, but Crosby has 72 less games played. Just imagine if Crosby didn't miss all those games! If he didn't miss all those games and had the same amount of games as Ovechkin, Crosby would have right about 683 points. And based on last season, he would have finished with higher than 1.39. It would have been about a 1.60 ppg, and his points would have been about 132. Damn I wish people didn't get injured hahaha
@ICrosbyI15 IF he kept pace, he would've finished with a 1.6 PPG. He almost definitely wouldn't have. For comparison's sake, Crosby's PPG last season was 1.61. Ovechkin had a LONGER stretch of 52 games, opposed to 41, where he scored at a 1.69 PPG rate in 09-10.
@rowmike27 The thing I notice about this arse kdfs is that he hates Canadian hockey. It killed him that Crosby scored the golden goal for Canada and he's been going crazy ever since. He puts a lot of emotion into his comments but he can't back them up with any logical reasoning. Just because many athletes have lousy second halves he projects that on Crosby-but Crosby was on pace to beat his heroes mark of 65 and that is all we can go on.
@rowmike27 Stats are what you CAN compare. What, just because they're different players, stats don't matter between them? Fine, then, Brett Hull is better than Gretzky. You can't compare stats though because Brett Hull is not Gretzky. Well then what do you have to go off of? There's a saying that goes "the stats don't lie." Well they don't. When it comes down to it, Ovechkin's best streak was just as good as Crosby's.
@ICrosbyI15 He'd never HAD that pace yet though, so I think it would be a stretch to say that he would have held it, especially when there are countless examples like Ovechkin 09-10, Jagr 00-01, Lemieux 96-97, and Francis 95-96, of players having very hot first halfs and then suddenly slowing down.
@kdfsjljklgjfg yes but you complete imbecile there are thousands and thousands to the contrary that say he would have accelerated and easily beat 65. From your armchair you say he couldn't. No one tells Sid he can't do something, let alone a goofy fool who makes a video called Stick and thinks it's cool. I'm done babysitting you on this subject-like I said I will make a note of the top 50 this year halfway and then show you. Now go enjoy your fat girlfriends flabby pussy, STICK
@kdfsjljklgjfg only a troll would take shit out of context like you did. I said you can't compare the stats anymore because Crosby is much better, Btw, thanks for backing me up, stats do matter.
@rowmike27 I don't see how "Crosby is better" completely makes stats irrelevant. I can just as easily say Jarkko Ruutu is better than Crosby, you can't compare stats because he's way better.
@kdfsjljklgjfg whoa, haha, how did you misunderstand me again? I clearly said stats are relevant which makes Crosby better. Again statistically Crosby has better stats then Ovechkin thus making him a better player. Peace troll.
@rowmike27 We'll see how Ovechkin does once he's adjusted to Hunter's system, and how Crosby does over a full season. But so far, we've only had 1 full season say that Crosby was better than Ovechkin, as opposed to a bunch of even ones, or Ovechkin being better.
@kdfsjljklgjfg sooo you're going to negate the stats that say Crosby is better? You know the stats that say Crosby has a higher PPG average.... I mean, you''ve already made it clear you're a stats man and Sids stats are better then Ovies so....
@rowmike27 Are they? Because Ovechkin has led the league in PPG three times, when playing over 60 games. Crosby has only done that once. Out of Crosby's 4 full seasons, Ovechkin had more points twice, and they tied once. When you count full seasons with around 70 games played, Ovechkin actually has the superior stats.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Ovechkin PPG career average is 1.26, Crosbys is 1.39. You said it before, stats matter. And btw, the 07-08 season was not a full season for Crosby....
@rowmike27 PPG matters a lot more over full seasons than half seasons, considering how easy it is to have a hot start then tail off. Over full seasons, Ovechkin has been better. Over half seasons, Crosby has been better, but has left no definitive proof that he would keep up said pace over a full season.
@kdfsjljklgjfg so your gonna ignore his 120 in 79 games in his 06-07 season where as Ovie only had 92 points in 82 games? Crosby has proven over and over again to be more consistent then Ovie. He has yet to produce less then a 100 point full season like Ovie has already twice. lol and I thought you said plus/- don't matter? Why bring it up in your retort to juzu4me. Here's my response to your hypocritical statement, Sid is a +7 this season, Ovie is a -8. Ovie sucks soooo bad. Peace.
@rowmike27 I brought it up to show him how he disputes his own argument. He said that Ovechkin sucks because he had a game where he was -1 with no points, so by his own logic, Crosby sucks too because he too had a game where he was -1 with no points. Ovechkin has been kept down by Boudreau's system last year and this year, and it will take time to adjust to Hunter. Next year I expect him to return to 50 goals.
@kdfsjljklgjfg yeah but Crosby didn't have games that accumulated to a -8 rating....he played in games that improved his rating to a +7. Again consistency.... Also, Ovie had a 50 goal, 109 point season with Boudreau two years ago...how did the system change?
@rowmike27 Are you the only one unaware that Washington attempted a complete philosophy shift from offensive to defensive? Because that has kind of put Boudreau under fire for hurting Ovechkin's production and not helping them in the playoffs at all, and ultimately contributed to his firing. Also, as I said before, Plus/minus makes very little difference in terms of individual skill. Theoretically, a team can play with an empty net an entire game, and its players can all end up -10.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Are you the only one who won’t admit defenders have learned how to play Ovechkin? I mean I don’t care if you want to blame it on the coach or not. Defensively Ovechkin still rarely back checks or plays the puck in his own zone and he’s still shooting the puck at the same rate. For example last year he still lead the league in shots but had a career low 32 goals. Or better yet, he had one less shot on goal from the year before but yet had 18 less goals. Tell me why is that?
@kdfsjljklgjfg It's ludricous to use the argument of playing with an empty net an entire game when discussing +/-. I'm quite certain that if your favourite players had a high rating you'd would be saying that +/- is the most important statistic in the game of hockey. As for Ovie returning to 50 goals, that is possible under Hunter. However I believe the Capitals as a whole would suffer if he goes back to being allowed to play his offense only game.
@PuckFinFeather It was an example of a possibility. My favorite player is Datsyuk. He once led the league with a +41, and has been over the 30 mark two other times. It has absolutely nothing to do with his defensive ability. You can't say that plus/minus has ANYTHING to do with individual skill, when you can get on the ice with the puck in the offensive zone, be on the ice for a half second, and get a + for it, or on the flip side, get a - for it. In no way do you need to be involved in a play.
@kdfsjljklgjfg comprehend the game at all. I suppose you think that a running back has nothing to do with the success of a wide receiver's catch for a touchdown. As for a player just getting on the ice, it evens out over the course of a season. The NHL wouldn't include the +/- stat if it wasn't important. In case you are wondering, I played AAA minor, University hockey and then won 2 Allan cups. I still play twice a week in a commericial league and will till the day I die.
@PuckFinFeather If you made an excellent pass up the boards but go off the ice for a line change, you don't get a plus if your team scores. If you steal the puck from the other team then go off the ice for a line change, you don't get a plus if your team scores. You can have the best defensive shift ever played in the history of the sport, but if an idiot teammate of yours manages to score an own goal, you get a minus for it. After reading all of that, how do you figure plus/minus is important?
@PuckFinFeather The only requirement to getting a + is being on the ice when the goal is scored. That's it. It doesn't matter how much or how little you do, the end result is the same. The same goes for minus. You can have the best shift anyone has ever seen, but if you line isn't supporting you, you get a minus. If +/- is such an important, relevant stat, PLEASE EXPLAIN how Lidstrom won the Norris with a -2. I'd love to hear that answer.
@kdfsjljklgjfg I'm not sure why Lidstrom got the Norris with a minus 2. I was unable to watch a lot of games last year for various reasons but maybe his offense (while he was on the ice) didn't score as much as previous years. Maybe his defense partner had a bad year, or the goaltending. All I know is that the people who vote for the Norris trophy winner are experts, whereas you clearly are not; and once again clearly you have never played hockey. I'll tell you one thing for sure
@PuckFinFeather I SAW those Detroit games. The rest of the team crumbled around him for the whole first half of the year, and scoring in the bottom 6 was weaker than in prior years. So as the rest of the team failed to produce, Lidstrom was still his normal self, and often put out with the bottom lines to offset their lack of production. Because he was the only one playing exceptional, he got minuses as his line dragged him down. That is why +/- is worthless.
@PuckFinFeather Datsyuk is my favorite player, for your information, and Lidstrom winning the Norris with a -2 is a perfect example of why the +/- system isn't very valuable. If you're the only one producing on the ice, you will get minuses. A lot of them. Regardless of how good you do, hockey is a team sport, so an individual effort won't score you goals, and get you a lot of goals scored against. As I said before, for that EXACT reason, +/- is more a judgment of a line than individual play.
@PuckFinFeather In no way at all do you even need to be involved in a play in order to get a +, and you can play the best defense the world has ever seen, but your defensive partner can goof up and get you a -. I can see it being used as an evaluation for "linemates + self + goalie", but really, if +/- is an important stat, then Jeff Woytwika was better than Lidstrom last year because he had a higher +/-, right? Brian Leetch was a minus player 6 times. He shouldn't be in the HoF right?
@kdfsjljklgjfg Have you heard of Howard Cosell? He wrote a book called "I never played the game." I get the feeling you are a reincarnation of him. How can you possibly say that you 'don't need to be involved in the play' in order to get a plus? Do you know how many times I hit a guy or forechecked well and then a few seconds later (even though I never came close to the puck) our team scored? All 5 forwards contribute in some way to each and every goal for or against. You don't
@PuckFinFeather You don't need to be involved in the play at all to get a plus. That's a fact. Theoretically, if you decide to lay down and take a nap behind the net and your team scores on the other end, you get a plus for it. If you're making a line change and you haven't even started skating yet when the goal was scored, you get a plus. If you're sitting in the neutral zone waiting for the puck to come out, and the other team accidentally puts the puck in their net, you get a plus for it.
@kdfsjljklgjfg and that is this: if youtube armchair 'experts' could be assigned a +/- rating for their hockey analysis, you sir would be a minus 1000 or however many comments you have made regarding hockey. If you spent as much time on the ice as you did making comments I'm sure you'd at least be able to ankle skate. And once again, for those who missed it, maybe you do get ripped by jumping off the ice just after a goal is scored but it'll cancel out when you just jump on. Wow.
@PuckFinFeather When it comes down to it, +/- is so easily inflated or deflated by linemates+goalie that it makes it useless as a stat. Let's look at the effect of a goalie on +/-. This year, Loui Eriksson is on pace for less points than last year. But this year, he's a +6 in 1/3 of a season. Last year he was +10.Lehtonen has been a much better goalie this year. Morrow is a +1 where all last year he was a -3. He's scoring less points. The same goes for Ribeiro.
@kdfsjljklgjfg I honestly would like to see Ovechkin get back to that but I dunno dude, it's not looking to good. I think maybe here and there he'll have those 100 point seasons but for most of his career he's going to stay a 80-98 point hockey player.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Another reason +/- is worthless comparing individuals, is that it excessively favors players on good teams. 29 of the top 30 players in +/- are on the top 13 teams in the league points-wise. Stamkos is the only exception. Eric Staal is a -18 right now. Carolina is the 3rd worst team. Chris Kelly is a +19. Boston is 2nd in the league. Chris Kelly isn't one third the player Eric Staal is, regardless of what plus/minus says. At best, you can compare players on the same team.
@PuckFinFeather Look at Nashville for the same idea. Pekka Rinne's numbers are much worse. Martin Erat is on pace for more points, yet a lower +/-. David Legwand is on pace for more points, yet a lower +/-. Colin Wilson is on pace for more points, yet a lower +/-. Honestly. +/- is only good for comparing individuals on the same team. Otherwise, the goalie and linemates have too much effect on it over the individual.
@kdfsjljklgjfg and also even though I think your wrong entirely on you theory about how te +/- rating is pointless you're the one who brought the issue into the argument again, not me. Also have you checked out the stats for the Pens team? There are more players with a +1 rating or below then there r guys with a rating of +2 or higher. Two of the Pens top defenders are -6 and -8. With that said your point about Crosby having only have a high plus rating because his team does is ridiculous.
@ICrosbyI15 His favourite player is Ovechkin, a floater that skates around making dirty hits and diving. He's -7 this year and this kdfs calls him a superstar....shows how much he knows about hockey.
Crosby is by no means the best ever. Lemieux, Gretzky, so many other great players have put up far superior numbers than crosby or ovechkin could ever match... but players have gotten continually bigger, stronger, heavier, faster. Goalies have gotten a lot better two, more methodical with saves, padding and stuff has increased also. So the argument of who is the best ever can't really ever be made with certain 100% fact. But in the Crosby vs Ovechkin debate... I'd have to say...
Ovechkin hits... hard... and thats great... crosby does more of the stick checking... maybe not as effective, but at least he helps more in his zone. Crosby has a more of a pass first mantality that makes his goal total lower. But he has a almost a 1.5 goals per 10 shot based on his shooting percentage, meaning crosby would score if he just shot the puck like a mad man like ovechkin
Crosbys point rely heavily on his five on five linemates... such as kunitz, dupius, neal (now not in other years), fedetenko, who have never been established as dominant... yes he gets malkin the odd time... but lets look at the facts... Ovie plays mostly with a defensemen who got 30 goals and like 80 points one year... backstrom is his center who has gone over 100 points in his career... and for awhile had semin another 30-40 goal scorer... so crosby has a bit less to work with in my opinion
Crosby plays center has to skate back in his zone behind the net and play both sides of the ice when defending. He takes on two defenders if he goes up the middle of the ice because the defenders are on the outside of him when he is in the middle (not that he is there all the time) he comes off the ice when his shift is over and you'd never see him out there for an entire powerplay of 4 minutes unlike some (ovechkin)
Ok. Ovechkin plays the wing and only comes back to the blue line, stays on the ice longer and takes way more shots... he has a lower shooting percentage than crosby and scores once out of every 10 shots... he only takes on one defender most times because 2 defenders dont slide over to his side of the ice...
i think ovechkin is better for many reasons.. one of them being if crosby gets tripped as hes on a break away.. he will fall and cry and bitch for a penalty.. as ovechkin will get tripped and still fucking score. im canadien and ovechkin is fucking king. deal with it.
@bigbadsubban Ovechkin is a loser who is barely a point per game over the last 2 seasons meanwhile Crosby is entering Jaromir Jagr like offensive dominance. Oh and that so called "bitch" scored the record breaking 14th Olympic gold medal, overtime winning goal. I doubt you'd have the balls to call Sid a bitch to his face. One of the most physically conditioned athletes in the world would handle you with relative ease and has Millions of dollars you or I could only dream of. Owned.
@juzu4me pt2 It's exactly like how you said that Russia was top ranked going into the Olympics, and you never did find that article that said so, even though you claimed it was incredibly easy to find. It's just like how you run out of actual facts to say, so you start going completely off topic and insulting me. There's no reason to do it unless you know you have nothing left to say that won't make you sound like a moron, so you look for anything to make me look bad.
@rowmike27 They're quite relevant if you have enough brainpower to see the logic I quite clearly state, which quite honestly, is not very much brainpower. His insults also began at a point when he would completely ignore what I was saying because he had been repeating the same thing over and over again, hoping that his opinion would refute various stats I posted.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Your senility is now the issue here. It isn't an article that officially listed russia as the team to beat heading into the olympics, it was an official ranking. I know it's driving you mad and I'm not going to alleviate your anxiety like you want me to. I'm not doing your assignment for you. You have all day and night to dig through useless information and you ignore the facts that refute everything you say. Anyway have a nice day and don't eat to much. STICK
@juzu4me Considering there is no official Olympic ranking board, it was an article by a major sports network. There is no ISS equivalent of team rankings. But regardless of what it was, the point stands; if it was so easy to find, then why didn't you ever find it? If there are so many thousands of players who do better in the second half, why have you been repeating the same one over and over again? I've proven that my speculation actually has basis. It's more like you're making up random crap.
@kdfsjljklgjfg haha you just called your rant over the past 2 months 'speculation' hahaha, you said it. Russia was officially ranked first going into the Olympics in 2010. It was the Swedes that pointed me in the direction of this official ranking. Go as them. And hey.....STICK
@juzu4me I showed you proof that people expected Canada to win. You're expecting me to take you at your word that there's an "official" ranking that said Russia was going to win, and haven't found the proof despite it being, supposedly, easy to win. Well if it's so easy to find, where is it, and if there are so many thousands of people who do better in the second half, why have you only shown me one example, which was invalidated by his VERY NEXT SEASON?
@kdfsjljklgjfg I showed you proof-Sid was on pace to beat 65 and that is what we go by. Thousands and thousands of athletes have better second halfs than first. Because you have a fat girlfriend, you think everyone else has fat girlfriends too, And that we make videos called Stick and make fools of ourselves. Shows your lack of creativity and boring nature. I'm going to recored the stats of the leaders after 41 games and then note their ending stats and you'll get TWO fat girlfriends. STICK
@juzu4me You keep saying that there's proof, but you never show any. "He was on pace to" doesn't mean "he would have." Otherwise all of the people I listed would have ended the season with higher point totals. Also, who's lying now? Crosby was on pace for 64. 63.96, to be exact. What does it say about you that you have to lie to make up fake stats to make your point? What does it say about you that you have to insult me personally to make you feel better about your own shortcomings?
@kdfsjljklgjfg HE WAS ON PACE to beat 65 means he was 100% on pace to and would have beat 65. You have all day and night to dig around and find useless data that supports nothing, while I have to work and go to school. I do this for entertainment, to laugh at the idiots I thank god I'll never be-while this is your number one reason for living. So, go nail your fatty and STICK STICK STICK HAHAHAHAHA
@juzu4me First of all, he was on pace only for 64, and you're saying he'd beat 65? Who's lying now? Secondly, ok then, let's put your logic to the test. Your logic is that "on pace" means there is a 100% chance that the person will finish with the exact same rate of scoring. Phil Kessel's current PPG is 1.28. That puts him on pace for 105 points. If your logic holds true, Phil Kessel will finish with exactly 105 points. No more, no less. Otherwise, your entire argument is wrong.
If your logic holds true, Phil Kessel will finish with exactly 105 points, as per his 1.28 PPG. Also, Joffrey Lupul's PPG is 1.2. If your logic holds true. Phil Kessel will finish with exactly 105 points, and Joffrey Lupul will finish with exactly 98 points. Ryan-Nugent Hopkins will finish with exactly 88 points. If any of these are wrong, your logic is wrong, and everything you've said is wrong, since you're saying that pace is a 100% accurate prediction.
@juzu4me Well? According to your argument, if Kessel doesn't finish with exactly 105 points, Lupul with exactly 105, and RNH with exactly 88, your logic is wrong, and your entire argument is wrong, since "on pace for" apparently means to you "100% chance will end up with". So all of those guys will get exactly those amounts of points.
@kdfsjljklgjfg according to your logic, Stamkos and Gwynn are characters from fairytales and they don't really exist. They couldn't possibly exist. Stamkos? Gwynn? The thousands of athletes who have accelerated their play in second halves? Who are they? STICK
@juzu4me according to your logic, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Lemieux, and Jagr are characters from fairytales and they don't really exist. They couldn't possibly exist. The thousands of athletes who have slowed down their play in second halves? Who are they? Furthermore, Crosby was on pace for 64. Not to beat 65. Who's the liar now?
Crosby not have not only kept pace to beat that ovechkin's 65 but I believe he would have accelerated and got close to 70. Crosby is easily the most brilliant player to come along in the last 15 years, while ovechkin is now a floater who gets his coach fired. Wow, Crosby, the GOLDEN GOAL FOR CANADA YEAHHH
@kdfsjljklgjfg lol, you little girl holding your hands over your ears. I can show thousands of instances where both hockey players and athletes accelerated their play in the latter half of a season. Thousands, and you have a mere 4 where they didn't??? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Crosby, the superstar that scored the golden goal for the great Canada YEAHHHHHH go cry little man. Your hero is a russian that has lost the will to try and the player I support is going to win the mvp and the Cup this year:)
@juzu4me Ok then, If you can show thousands, then why have you only shown one over and over again, when I've been criticizing you for only having one?
@kdfsjljklgjfg Because it is obvious that some athletes stats slow down in the 2nd half. It is obvious that some athletes stats acceleratein the 2nd half. This is known fact throughout the history of sport and I'm not going to waste my time with a painstaking search for players data that will support my statement because it is OBVIOUSLY out there. Crosby may or may not have beat 65, neither of us know. Many say yes, many say no. But he was ON PACE TO BEAT 65, and you can't refute that!!!!!
@juzu4me And in 09-10, Ovechkin was on pace to score 138 points. You're treating speculation as fact. I've given historical precedent that top tier players often go on massive scoring periods then slow down. You've basically responded with "yeah, well lots of people don't!" and expect it to be held more truthful than statistical fact. It's more likely that Crosby would have slowed down than kept pace, and FAR more likely he would have slowed down than sped up.
@kdfsjljklgjfg And yet it isn't 'far more likely' that he would have slowed down. You're acting as if your opinion is accepted truth, when in fact the only thing you're garnering is pity for your pathetic tendency to lie and twist things around. As many athletes have had better second halfs and first halfs, and just because your life is empty and have the time to do research all day to try and strenghten your opinions that doesn't mean I do. Hard to believe I wasted this much of my lunch time!
@juzu4me Oh? When have I lied? Point out any part of this conversation where I have lied, and you're not just making crap up because you cry when people make you look like a moron. So I post multiple examples, and you post just one and we have to take your word for it? Prove your point, prove that you're actually arguing with facts instead of "I'm right because I'm me." Oh, and to use math like you did, when something goes above normal, it is expected to eventually return to the median.
@kdfsjljklgjfg haha when did you lie Pinochio.? You wouldn't know the truth if it bit your fat saggy ass. If you deny that elite athletes can't accelerate their game and if you say Crosby had zero chance of beating 65 then your nose will grow so long it will be up ovechkin's ass. Oh wait, it's been there for years! You'd suck ovechkin's cock and lie for him and wipe his ass, you're so in love that you spend your whole life lying day and night on the internet and all over it. Pathetic fool.
@juzu4me Well score one for me then, since you can't find a single example of that. It's also apparent that since you can't do anything but scream baseless opinions over and over through your resorting to insults of my person. If you have no credibility left, destroy that of the other person, right? Tossing insults does nothing but say that you're out of ideas and you're mad that you're dumber than the other person. I've given proof. You've called me a liar with no proof. GG.
@kdfsjljklgjfg lol nice try, you don't score points by lying. Out of hundreds of thousands of athletes you named 4 instances when they didn't have as good a second half as their first. Tell you what, if you go break down the Sedins first and half stats and find you are right, which you won't find, I'll apologize for calling your girlfriend fat and making fun of your video Stick. Crosby was on pace to break the record and your IQ is too small to see that mathematically he would have broken it :)
@juzu4me First off, not my girlfriend, second off, it really shows how wrong you know you are if you have to resort to personal insults to try to feel superior. Third, Henrik Sedin's first half of 2010-11: 54 points in 41 games. Second half: 40 points in 41. Daniels Sedin's first half: 54 points in 41 games. Second half: 50 points in 41 games. Way to have your own example backfire.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Never said JUST 2010. Their careers. What you want to establish is that an athlete has never ever kept up a pace. Go on, get busy. And quit being embarrassed about having an obese girlfriend. If she saw that she would be hurt
@juzu4me What I want to establish is that it's a VERY common thing for players to have hot starts and then cool down significantly. Considering I now have 6 examples of that to only 1 of the contrary, it's more in my favor. Considering I've shown multiple times now that it's a common thing for players to cool down after hot starts, and you keep going "STAMKOS DID IT ONCE, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHERS BUT TRUST ME, IT HAPPENS A LOT", it's kind of like you grasping at straws.
Now that, my friend, was a rebuttal. The retard can twist and lie all he wants but when he closes his eyes in his lonely room later he'll know he got owned. Later
Stamkos not only kept up his pace in 09/10 he accelerated unbelievably. Crosby was runaway mvp last season but our hero kdfs here is insinuating the Crosby wouldn't have scored another 5 goals that season. Wow, not one person I've come across has less knowledge than this peabody
a team effort not just an individual effort. The Pittsburgh Penguins finished last season with 106 points (the second most point in Penguins history) without Crosby and Malkin in the lineup. Through 6 seasons (416 games) Crosby has maintained an overall P/G total of 1.39 P/G average. Looking at Ovechkin's P/G average is 1.27 in 497 games played, he has played 81 more games than Crosby which pretty much equates to a whole season. Crosby has a better P/G with less games played in the NHL.
This would have won him the Art Ross Trophy (132 points) and the Rocket Richard Trophy (64 goals). Crosby would have beat Daniel Sedin by 28 points and 14 goals higher than Corey Perry followed by 19 more than Stamkos (runner up). He would have also finished the season with a +40 rating based on the consistent pace. The 25 game point streak clearly defines consistency this statistic dates back to the 90's, during this time the Pens were 13-0-1 (12 consecutive wins) this also exemplifies...
@001MeTaBoLiC100 That's IF he maintained his pace, which there was very small odds of it actually happening. Mario Lemieux scored at a 2.66 PPG rate through 41 games in 95-96. That pace dropped to 2.30 by season's end. Gretzky went from 1.87 through 46 to 1.60 at season's end in 95-96. 00-01 Jagr, from 1.87 through 45 to 1.49. There's VERY little chance Crosby would have kept up his pace, and you're being very optimistic when you assume he would have.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Okay lets say Crosby finished with 105 (instead of 132) points dropping his P/G of 1.61 to to 1.28. Crosby still would have won the scoring title. This is 27 points less than the pace Crosby would have been on last season. Crosby would have easily won the scoring title because he had enough of a buffer between him and Stamkos prior to his injury.
@001MeTaBoLiC100 Not saying that he would've had a bad year, or that he wouldn't have won the scoring title, I'm just saying that it's a bit outlandish to assume that he would've kept up his pace when greats such as Gretzky/Lemieux/Francis had similar streaks and still cooled off.
@kdfsjljklgjfg dude I just gave you a legit comparison between their stats in their first 6 seasons and Crosby by far owns Francis, so with that said why are you making any comparison between the two? The only impication you're making with your ridiculous comment is that Francis is either as good or better then Crosby.
Sidney Crosby has only played 8 games and has the P/G in the NHL with 2.00, that being said, I know it is early in the season for him but last season he also maintained consistency with a 1.61 P/G in 41 games. Daniel Sedin (2010-2011 Art Ross Trophy leader) completed last season with a 1.27 P/G average and he played 82 games. Alexander Ovechkin last season averaged 1.08 P/G in 79 games. Crosby had the best P/G average in the NHL before his injury which demonstrated consistency.
blah blah blah ovi slowed down so Crosby would have as well blah blah blah. This stupid moron, if his thinking was correct then ovie and Crosby would end up with the same amount of points every year. blah blah blah, ovi slowed down so Crosby would have as well. blah blah blah, everything is a straight line blah blah blah
@juzu4me Players have hot streaks. That's a fact. Crosby had a hot streak. He was already showing signs of slowing down, evidenced by only 1 point in 3 games, including being held scoreless in 2 of his 3 highest TOI games of the year. Also, Crosby HAS had a nice start this year, but let's see when he actually starts playing good teams. He scored against the Islanders and Senators, both bottom feeders dead last in their divisions, and was pointless vs St. Louis.
@kdfsjljklgjfg reading through your comments ive never seen aomeone as blatently biased as you. Right now Crosby is the better player and in the long run it looks like he'll stay that way. The key word in that logic is obviously consistancy. I'm not going to say Ovechkin is a bad player, hell hes one of the best LW to ever play the game, if not the best. But his style of play is really one demensinol. Asside from his hitting, he's just a run and gun type of player.
@rowmike27 I'm not even a Caps fan. Hell, I don't even care much for Ovechkin. It just agitates me when Crosby fans act as if he's Jesus on skates, and say that he's better than Ovechkin often by producing flat out lies, and other times by using arguing points that can be used just as easily to make Crosby look bad, and in the end they just spew whatever they hear without thinking about it. Up until last season, Ovechkin was consistent. But Boudreau is trying to change his game.
@kdfsjljklgjfg Don't get me wrong man, I understand what your saying but I think you get that same perspective from Ovechkin fans as or Datsyuk fans. It's all the same but one thing you can't ignore is Crosby's 580 points in 416 games. Thats fifth in nhl points per game history. I just honestly think you cant get mad at people for saying Crosbys one of the best ever. And also Ovechkin hasnt always been consistant like you said. His second season he had his second lowest scoring season
@kdfsjljklgjfg Gee,. you make a broken record sound like a creative genius. Fact is that if Crosby had just stayed on the same pace he would have gotten more than Ovechkin. No one is saying he would have speeded up or slowed down except you, you silly little knowledgeless parrot. You have no mathematical proof that he would have slowed down or speeded up-I have mathematical proof that he would have stayed the same. You pass off your boring opionions as truth....FACT
@juzu4me IF he stayed on the same pace, he would have. But he didn't. At the same time, IF Ovechkin had stayed on his same pace in 09-10, he would've been better than Crosby would have under the same circumstances. I have historical precedent stating that it's more likely that he would have slowed down than stayed the same. Where is your mathematical proof he would have stayed the same? Where is your ANY proof that he would have stayed the same? Go ahead. Enlighten me with your fact.
@kdfsjljklgjfg I see a person pointed this out but you ignored it so I'll point it out again. Ovechkins career point per game average is 1.27 and Crosbys is 1.39. Over the last year Crosbys numbers have increased while Ovechkins have decreased thus leading to the different ppg averages. Based on that I think it's fair to say a more dynamic player like Crosby had a better chance of keeping up that pace then Ovechkin. Enlighten me though, whens the last time Ovechkin has a 25 game point streak?
@kdfsjljklgjfg Ron Francis also played in a completely different era of hockey where it was a lot easier to accumulate goals and points but yet Crosby still has a much higher point per game average then Francis. Crosby has 580 points in 416, Francis had 492 points in 418 games. You know what I hate? Little Crosby bandwagon haters who will never credit him for anything. Someone like yourself. And lets be honest, theres more blind haters out there like you then there are blind Crosby fans.
@rowmike27 The era is not the issue here, otherwise I would be pointing out how much more he scored than Crosby. It's not the flat amount of points that he scored that is relevant. It's the dropoff in how much he scored in one straight streak compared to his average over the whole season. The point is that Ron Francis was a very good hockey player, and his streak slowed as well. Again, you're putting words in my mouth, because not once did I say Ron Francis was a better player.
i think ovechkin is an all round better player than crosby. crosby is an amazing playmaker but ovechkin can do a little bit of everything ( shoot, pass, stickhandle, hit, etc.) ever see crosby lay out any big hits? Nuff said.
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darksniper1998MODZ 1 week ago
but malkin is better than both of them
capitalkid8 1 week ago
@capitalkid8 malkins hot but not better
DQh0ck3y97 5 days ago
crosby just have more skill / but he is a cry baby and ovechkin has never fight and crosby has 5 fights i think / i dont know but thats all i have to say
capitalkid8 1 week ago
@Wreckeningbassist666 ya even though he did do fuck all for the entire olympic games.. hes a loser. and believe me if i could say it to his face i would.. whats he gonna do bitch for a power play? and you bring money into this? parents are doctors bud.. making money as they deserve not like this bitch hockey player. so eat shit mr 666 harcore bass player goof
bigbadsubban 2 weeks ago
crosbys a bitch
snowcrosscanada 2 weeks ago 2
@snowcrosscanada U R
Theseatguru 1 week ago
1. Crosby 2. Stamkos/Datsyuk 3. Ovechkin
laxlegend93 3 weeks ago
ovi is better the reason he has no cups its because the rest of his team sucks
TheNoble1carter 3 weeks ago 3
crosby=2 stanley cup appearances, 1 stanley cup, and a gold medal.
ovi=0 cups, no gold medal
captainCanuck96 3 weeks ago
MALKIN!!
k1vela 3 weeks ago
Ovi like crosby and crosby hate ovi :))
FinBofori 1 month ago
Crosby is the best!!!
Parinarecords 1 month ago
ovi fights for all his goals he doesnt sit in front of the net and wait for the puck to be delivered on his stick . ovis having a bad year but so is his team. crosby is good to but how good we'll probably never know ,you gotta be tough to be a hockey player. and hes another lindros maybe he can safely come back in a few years an put up some more stats but i dont know. Ovi more all around hockey player
72buffaloman 1 month ago
@72buffaloman You're an idiot. You battle in front of the net, it's called fighting for space in front. It's knowing where to be for goals. Ovy's a no show. He's not even the best in a league without Crosby, how can he be the best when he's there? Ovy is an all around hockey player? Name me a player who's a powerforward, dangler, playmaker, sniper, grinder, and wins faceoffs and plays defense. Crosby.
wilboy117 1 month ago
@wilboy117 Datsyuk all around the best player in the NHL.
juzu4meisahomo 3 weeks ago
I think Crosby is better, but I like Ovechkin alot more
CodyLonsdale 1 month ago
Crosby is beech
XxRuthless23xX 1 month ago
5:05 lol :-D
RedSummer112233 1 month ago
crosby hasn't scored since his comeback vs ny islander's which suck it was all motivation just from coming back know hasn't scored yet 'but then he one stanley cup'' WRONG his team did and with his good coach and goalie. Ovie has won all trophies and has more points in same amount of seasons than crosby ovies D suck His goalie Sucks and his new Coach sucks and last crosby is just a pussy!!!!!!
itallian4 1 month ago
i m better
yoyaya007 1 month ago
what i hate is how people saw crosby is better cause his team won a stanly cup...sid didnt WIN the cup...his team did...and ovechkin cant win his team a cup!
CanadaRocks858 1 month ago
@CanadaRocks858 ...great...points....
rowmike27 1 month ago
They both kinda suck.
EdTheBadass 1 month ago
Dale hunter is making ovechkin the player he NEEDS to be for the caps
Ovieisbeast8 1 month ago
@Ovieisbeast8 Yeah he was a minus one last night, is that what he needs to be? Plus he got pummeled by Paneuf 3 times on one shift. Ovechkin sucks soooo bad
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me Yeah Crosby was a minus one against Washington, is that what he needs to be? Crosby sucks soooo bad.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
Neither are them are better right at the moment. Ovechkin is playing poorly and Crosby isn't even playing. Maybe you guys should be discussing Kessel and Gerioux
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather why would we discuss Kessel and Gerioux on a Crosby/Ovechkin video? lol
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 You know that makes a lot of sense. And I have also read some of your other comments and agree with you that +/- is an important statistic. Nice to see someone defending Crosby instead of hating on him. I'm baffled that Canadians in particular are all over him in this site, yet they hailed him as a national hero after he scored the winning goal in the Olympics.
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather Thanks man. Yeah, it's so funny to see how fast some people jumped on the Crosby band wagon when he had the game winning goal for Canada two years ago and then how fast they jumped back off after the celebration was all said and done. It's useless talking with kdfsjljklgjfg. Crosby could have a 66 goal, 130 point season and the dude would say something ridiculous like "He only achieved that many points because he had Pascal Dupruis and Chris Kunitz as linemates".
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 I think I get the gist of what you are saying. I am sure he can give us lots of reasons why Gretzky and Lemieux and Lidstrom are just mediocre players and undeserving of any individual awards. From his armchair he believes he knows more than NHL statisticians and that they should throw out the +/- category. It's always the people who have done the least that believe they know what's best. Have a good evening.
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@rowmike27 It's amazing how ignorant you are. I've even SAID before that Crosby is an excellent player, and I've SAID that he is the face of the league. Yet you somehow think I'm acting like he's a 4th line scrub. Try understanding what I say before judging it.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Your words not mine. My point was anything Crosby has done you have a reason for undermining him. Everything on here from you is anti Crosby
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 Alternately, everything Crosby hasn't done, you have a reason for raising him. Everything on here from you is pro-Crosby. So how are you any different from me, except with the opposite opinion?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Because it's easier to praise a great player like Crosby then it is to undermine him like you do. lol are you on here like every minute of every day? Seriously you're obsessed with people who praise Sidney Crosby.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 So just because it's easier to do, you assume that there is no other possible truth? Like maybe that the other players in the league aren't as far behind him as most Pens fans would like to believe?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg lmao there you go trolling again... You think repeating what I said and mixing the words around a bit will make you sound smart? lol. Anyways, let me bring up a stat you obviously disregarded when I mentioned it before....not only is Crosby the active leader in PPG right now at 1.38, he's also 5th in all time PPG in NHL history. You have to be insanely biased or completely retarded to say its not easy to call him one of the greatest players ever the game.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 I can see that trying to explain something to this alphabet dude is like banging one's head against a wall over and over again. I shudder to think who is favourite player is. Just a wild guess but let's go with Avery or Maxime Lapierre.
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather haha I actually enjoy arguing with the blind moron...its amusing. But I'm gonna go with you, I mean I think his favorite player is Sean Avery lol
rowmike27 1 month ago
Some people think that getting the last post in makes them correct lol. What a desperate lonely man
juzu4me 1 month ago
datsyuk is better than them both... more cups then both of them combined
ghostyhunters1 1 month ago
The subject of this video is 'who is better'. Well, Crosby's ppg is better than ovechkin's this year and career. He has captained his team to a stanley cup and scored the golden goal to give Canada Olympic glory. Sid has won the Hart and Art Ross, same as ovechkin. Sid plays defense while ovechkin floats around the centre line bitching for breakaway passes. ovechkin gets benched while the whole world awaits Crosby's return. Boudreau gets fired while ovechkin floats. Who is better??? Ovbious
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me And yet you haven't been able to find a single player who does it consistently. The entire time you've been saying "but other people do it!" as if repeating it over and over again makes it more true. Yes, a lot of players have done better in the second half. So what? A lot of players have done better in the first half, so I don't see how that proves anything. The difference is, I've proven it, and you've just said it over and over again.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg omg consistently? Does ovechkin get 65 consistently? You think he is the best player ever because he got 65 once, and since then he has become like you-useless and whiny. Now I said i wasn't going to babysit you on the topic anymore. You're a lonely internet bore with no friends and you're desperate to keep me talking. This is the only thing you have proven, especially with those awful videos. No scoot along, catch up with you at the end of the regular season.
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me Stop dancing around the main point. Has Crosby consistently done better in the second half, every single year? If he hasn't done better in the second half every single year, then you can't say that there's a 100% chance he would have that year. You act like he would have scored 70 goals, purely by going "thousands of players do better in the second." So? You haven't shown me a single player who ALWAYS does better in the second half.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Comment uread, can't babysit you anymore. Find someone else to help you not feel lonely. STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me That's alright. You didn't think you could get away with "but thousands of players do better in the second half!" anymore without looking like more of an idiot than you already have, and you realized that insulting someone personally in a discussion about hockey only made you look like you were so desperate to win you couldn't even keep on subject. That's fine. Only proves my point more about blind ignorant Crosby fans who lie and make ludicrous presumptions to "prove" their points.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg sorry bud can't babysit you anymore, your comments are unread and deleted. From now on I will just reply STICK. Have a good one bud
juzu4me 1 month ago
Just dropped by to say STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me Well enjoy having nothing to do in your own life that you have to belittle others to make your own shortcomings less evident.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
Oh calm down and dream of ovechkin in your bed. I''ve never seen a youtube user so on his dick that it's pathetic. I swear Crosby should watch out because a freak like you might try to knife him or something. STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me And I've never seen someone ignore common sense so much in favor of "but...but X!", which pretty much puts you on Crosby's dick even more.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg actually it was you who was ignoring common sense...but hey, if you don't have any common sense then you wouldn't even know you're ignoring it!! We wish you a merry Christmas we wish you a merry Christmas! I hope you quit being scroog and get in the spirit. Have a few drinks and call a girl.
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me Generally, if someone is able to provide more facts, there is more reason to believe that their side of the story is the true one. Yet, every time I point to MULTIPLE facts and evidence, you keep saying the same one that is immediately disputed. So, tell me what is a stronger argument. Multiple facts that support each other? Or one fact that is easily disputable?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg omg, you're obsessed...and the reason you are obsessed is because deep down you know you are wrong but you have too much pride to admit it. Sorry for bothering you, was just feeling a bit of empathy for you but you aren't ready. Like an alcoholic at an intervention, you don't want any help. You're too blinded to see your faults and that means you don't know how wrong you are. Carry on, you can even use your other accounts to agree with your futile points. Bye bye
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me omg, you're obsessed...and the reason you are obsessed is because deep down you know you are wrong but you have too much pride to admit it. Sorry for bothering you, was just feeling a bit of empathy for you but you aren't ready. Like an alcoholic at an intervention, you don't want any help. You're too blinded to see your faults and that means you don't know how wrong you are. Carry on, you can even use your other accounts to agree with your futile points. Bye bye
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg lol you're becoming a little parrot-grinch now aren't you Polly lol HO HO HO how the grinch stole ovechkin's panties hahaha later grinch-scroog, have a drink on me
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me What can I say? You described yourself in that comment better than I ever could. I figured that maybe if you saw a reflection of yourself, it would hit you.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg hohohoho you could put a well-rested insomniac to sleep hohoho
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me ahaha that was great and yet so true
rowmike27 1 month ago
All-Time Leaders in PPG: 1. Gretzky - 1.92 - 2. Lemieux - 1.88 - 3. Bossy - 1.49 - 4. Crosby - 1.39
ICrosbyI15 1 month ago
its ovey
RANGERSROXX 1 month ago
Ovechkin is a LW and Crosby is a C... comparing them are pointless because of their different responsibilities and roles on the ice... but if we look at all the facts... crosby seems to be more effective than ovechkin... and seems to have to do more on the ice... so take from that what you will... I still think Ovechkin is a great player... who just needs to learn to stop shooting 500 times a season
Viperstrike28 1 month ago
@Viperstrike28 Nice comparison between both players. I agree Crosby is the more effective one based on his career points per game. He's 4th all time with 1.39 ppg. Ovechkin produces as well but he's 8th with a 1.26 ppg. If Crosby took as many shots as Ovechkin he would have pretty much 50 goals every season too lol
ICrosbyI15 1 month ago
@Viperstrike28 Sure Ovechkin has 632 points, and Crosby has 583, but Crosby has 72 less games played. Just imagine if Crosby didn't miss all those games! If he didn't miss all those games and had the same amount of games as Ovechkin, Crosby would have right about 683 points. And based on last season, he would have finished with higher than 1.39. It would have been about a 1.60 ppg, and his points would have been about 132. Damn I wish people didn't get injured hahaha
ICrosbyI15 1 month ago
@ICrosbyI15 IF he kept pace, he would've finished with a 1.6 PPG. He almost definitely wouldn't have. For comparison's sake, Crosby's PPG last season was 1.61. Ovechkin had a LONGER stretch of 52 games, opposed to 41, where he scored at a 1.69 PPG rate in 09-10.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Ovechkin is not Crosby. What don't you get. You can't compare the stats.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 The thing I notice about this arse kdfs is that he hates Canadian hockey. It killed him that Crosby scored the golden goal for Canada and he's been going crazy ever since. He puts a lot of emotion into his comments but he can't back them up with any logical reasoning. Just because many athletes have lousy second halves he projects that on Crosby-but Crosby was on pace to beat his heroes mark of 65 and that is all we can go on.
juzu4me 1 month ago
@rowmike27 Stats are what you CAN compare. What, just because they're different players, stats don't matter between them? Fine, then, Brett Hull is better than Gretzky. You can't compare stats though because Brett Hull is not Gretzky. Well then what do you have to go off of? There's a saying that goes "the stats don't lie." Well they don't. When it comes down to it, Ovechkin's best streak was just as good as Crosby's.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Yes but he's Sidney Crosby. From watching him for 6 years I have confidence that he would be capable of keeping up his pace.
ICrosbyI15 1 month ago
@ICrosbyI15 He'd never HAD that pace yet though, so I think it would be a stretch to say that he would have held it, especially when there are countless examples like Ovechkin 09-10, Jagr 00-01, Lemieux 96-97, and Francis 95-96, of players having very hot first halfs and then suddenly slowing down.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg yes but you complete imbecile there are thousands and thousands to the contrary that say he would have accelerated and easily beat 65. From your armchair you say he couldn't. No one tells Sid he can't do something, let alone a goofy fool who makes a video called Stick and thinks it's cool. I'm done babysitting you on this subject-like I said I will make a note of the top 50 this year halfway and then show you. Now go enjoy your fat girlfriends flabby pussy, STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg only a troll would take shit out of context like you did. I said you can't compare the stats anymore because Crosby is much better, Btw, thanks for backing me up, stats do matter.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 I don't see how "Crosby is better" completely makes stats irrelevant. I can just as easily say Jarkko Ruutu is better than Crosby, you can't compare stats because he's way better.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg whoa, haha, how did you misunderstand me again? I clearly said stats are relevant which makes Crosby better. Again statistically Crosby has better stats then Ovechkin thus making him a better player. Peace troll.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 We'll see how Ovechkin does once he's adjusted to Hunter's system, and how Crosby does over a full season. But so far, we've only had 1 full season say that Crosby was better than Ovechkin, as opposed to a bunch of even ones, or Ovechkin being better.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg sooo you're going to negate the stats that say Crosby is better? You know the stats that say Crosby has a higher PPG average.... I mean, you''ve already made it clear you're a stats man and Sids stats are better then Ovies so....
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 Are they? Because Ovechkin has led the league in PPG three times, when playing over 60 games. Crosby has only done that once. Out of Crosby's 4 full seasons, Ovechkin had more points twice, and they tied once. When you count full seasons with around 70 games played, Ovechkin actually has the superior stats.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Ovechkin PPG career average is 1.26, Crosbys is 1.39. You said it before, stats matter. And btw, the 07-08 season was not a full season for Crosby....
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 PPG matters a lot more over full seasons than half seasons, considering how easy it is to have a hot start then tail off. Over full seasons, Ovechkin has been better. Over half seasons, Crosby has been better, but has left no definitive proof that he would keep up said pace over a full season.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg so your gonna ignore his 120 in 79 games in his 06-07 season where as Ovie only had 92 points in 82 games? Crosby has proven over and over again to be more consistent then Ovie. He has yet to produce less then a 100 point full season like Ovie has already twice. lol and I thought you said plus/- don't matter? Why bring it up in your retort to juzu4me. Here's my response to your hypocritical statement, Sid is a +7 this season, Ovie is a -8. Ovie sucks soooo bad. Peace.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 I brought it up to show him how he disputes his own argument. He said that Ovechkin sucks because he had a game where he was -1 with no points, so by his own logic, Crosby sucks too because he too had a game where he was -1 with no points. Ovechkin has been kept down by Boudreau's system last year and this year, and it will take time to adjust to Hunter. Next year I expect him to return to 50 goals.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg yeah but Crosby didn't have games that accumulated to a -8 rating....he played in games that improved his rating to a +7. Again consistency.... Also, Ovie had a 50 goal, 109 point season with Boudreau two years ago...how did the system change?
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 Are you the only one unaware that Washington attempted a complete philosophy shift from offensive to defensive? Because that has kind of put Boudreau under fire for hurting Ovechkin's production and not helping them in the playoffs at all, and ultimately contributed to his firing. Also, as I said before, Plus/minus makes very little difference in terms of individual skill. Theoretically, a team can play with an empty net an entire game, and its players can all end up -10.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Are you the only one who won’t admit defenders have learned how to play Ovechkin? I mean I don’t care if you want to blame it on the coach or not. Defensively Ovechkin still rarely back checks or plays the puck in his own zone and he’s still shooting the puck at the same rate. For example last year he still lead the league in shots but had a career low 32 goals. Or better yet, he had one less shot on goal from the year before but yet had 18 less goals. Tell me why is that?
rowmike27 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg It's ludricous to use the argument of playing with an empty net an entire game when discussing +/-. I'm quite certain that if your favourite players had a high rating you'd would be saying that +/- is the most important statistic in the game of hockey. As for Ovie returning to 50 goals, that is possible under Hunter. However I believe the Capitals as a whole would suffer if he goes back to being allowed to play his offense only game.
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather It was an example of a possibility. My favorite player is Datsyuk. He once led the league with a +41, and has been over the 30 mark two other times. It has absolutely nothing to do with his defensive ability. You can't say that plus/minus has ANYTHING to do with individual skill, when you can get on the ice with the puck in the offensive zone, be on the ice for a half second, and get a + for it, or on the flip side, get a - for it. In no way do you need to be involved in a play.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg comprehend the game at all. I suppose you think that a running back has nothing to do with the success of a wide receiver's catch for a touchdown. As for a player just getting on the ice, it evens out over the course of a season. The NHL wouldn't include the +/- stat if it wasn't important. In case you are wondering, I played AAA minor, University hockey and then won 2 Allan cups. I still play twice a week in a commericial league and will till the day I die.
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather If you made an excellent pass up the boards but go off the ice for a line change, you don't get a plus if your team scores. If you steal the puck from the other team then go off the ice for a line change, you don't get a plus if your team scores. You can have the best defensive shift ever played in the history of the sport, but if an idiot teammate of yours manages to score an own goal, you get a minus for it. After reading all of that, how do you figure plus/minus is important?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather The only requirement to getting a + is being on the ice when the goal is scored. That's it. It doesn't matter how much or how little you do, the end result is the same. The same goes for minus. You can have the best shift anyone has ever seen, but if you line isn't supporting you, you get a minus. If +/- is such an important, relevant stat, PLEASE EXPLAIN how Lidstrom won the Norris with a -2. I'd love to hear that answer.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg I'm not sure why Lidstrom got the Norris with a minus 2. I was unable to watch a lot of games last year for various reasons but maybe his offense (while he was on the ice) didn't score as much as previous years. Maybe his defense partner had a bad year, or the goaltending. All I know is that the people who vote for the Norris trophy winner are experts, whereas you clearly are not; and once again clearly you have never played hockey. I'll tell you one thing for sure
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather I SAW those Detroit games. The rest of the team crumbled around him for the whole first half of the year, and scoring in the bottom 6 was weaker than in prior years. So as the rest of the team failed to produce, Lidstrom was still his normal self, and often put out with the bottom lines to offset their lack of production. Because he was the only one playing exceptional, he got minuses as his line dragged him down. That is why +/- is worthless.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather Datsyuk is my favorite player, for your information, and Lidstrom winning the Norris with a -2 is a perfect example of why the +/- system isn't very valuable. If you're the only one producing on the ice, you will get minuses. A lot of them. Regardless of how good you do, hockey is a team sport, so an individual effort won't score you goals, and get you a lot of goals scored against. As I said before, for that EXACT reason, +/- is more a judgment of a line than individual play.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather In no way at all do you even need to be involved in a play in order to get a +, and you can play the best defense the world has ever seen, but your defensive partner can goof up and get you a -. I can see it being used as an evaluation for "linemates + self + goalie", but really, if +/- is an important stat, then Jeff Woytwika was better than Lidstrom last year because he had a higher +/-, right? Brian Leetch was a minus player 6 times. He shouldn't be in the HoF right?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Have you heard of Howard Cosell? He wrote a book called "I never played the game." I get the feeling you are a reincarnation of him. How can you possibly say that you 'don't need to be involved in the play' in order to get a plus? Do you know how many times I hit a guy or forechecked well and then a few seconds later (even though I never came close to the puck) our team scored? All 5 forwards contribute in some way to each and every goal for or against. You don't
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather You don't need to be involved in the play at all to get a plus. That's a fact. Theoretically, if you decide to lay down and take a nap behind the net and your team scores on the other end, you get a plus for it. If you're making a line change and you haven't even started skating yet when the goal was scored, you get a plus. If you're sitting in the neutral zone waiting for the puck to come out, and the other team accidentally puts the puck in their net, you get a plus for it.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg and that is this: if youtube armchair 'experts' could be assigned a +/- rating for their hockey analysis, you sir would be a minus 1000 or however many comments you have made regarding hockey. If you spent as much time on the ice as you did making comments I'm sure you'd at least be able to ankle skate. And once again, for those who missed it, maybe you do get ripped by jumping off the ice just after a goal is scored but it'll cancel out when you just jump on. Wow.
PuckFinFeather 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather When it comes down to it, +/- is so easily inflated or deflated by linemates+goalie that it makes it useless as a stat. Let's look at the effect of a goalie on +/-. This year, Loui Eriksson is on pace for less points than last year. But this year, he's a +6 in 1/3 of a season. Last year he was +10.Lehtonen has been a much better goalie this year. Morrow is a +1 where all last year he was a -3. He's scoring less points. The same goes for Ribeiro.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg so do you think Ovie will eventually go back to the point pace he had a couple years ago?
rowmike27 1 month ago
@rowmike27 I think that he'll get back to 100 points, and 50 goals. 60 goals...is hard to say.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg I honestly would like to see Ovechkin get back to that but I dunno dude, it's not looking to good. I think maybe here and there he'll have those 100 point seasons but for most of his career he's going to stay a 80-98 point hockey player.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg maybe more 70-90 point seasons with 30 some goals a year...its hard to say
rowmike27 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Another reason +/- is worthless comparing individuals, is that it excessively favors players on good teams. 29 of the top 30 players in +/- are on the top 13 teams in the league points-wise. Stamkos is the only exception. Eric Staal is a -18 right now. Carolina is the 3rd worst team. Chris Kelly is a +19. Boston is 2nd in the league. Chris Kelly isn't one third the player Eric Staal is, regardless of what plus/minus says. At best, you can compare players on the same team.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@PuckFinFeather Look at Nashville for the same idea. Pekka Rinne's numbers are much worse. Martin Erat is on pace for more points, yet a lower +/-. David Legwand is on pace for more points, yet a lower +/-. Colin Wilson is on pace for more points, yet a lower +/-. Honestly. +/- is only good for comparing individuals on the same team. Otherwise, the goalie and linemates have too much effect on it over the individual.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg and also even though I think your wrong entirely on you theory about how te +/- rating is pointless you're the one who brought the issue into the argument again, not me. Also have you checked out the stats for the Pens team? There are more players with a +1 rating or below then there r guys with a rating of +2 or higher. Two of the Pens top defenders are -6 and -8. With that said your point about Crosby having only have a high plus rating because his team does is ridiculous.
rowmike27 1 month ago
@ICrosbyI15 His favourite player is Ovechkin, a floater that skates around making dirty hits and diving. He's -7 this year and this kdfs calls him a superstar....shows how much he knows about hockey.
juzu4me 1 month ago
Crosby is by no means the best ever. Lemieux, Gretzky, so many other great players have put up far superior numbers than crosby or ovechkin could ever match... but players have gotten continually bigger, stronger, heavier, faster. Goalies have gotten a lot better two, more methodical with saves, padding and stuff has increased also. So the argument of who is the best ever can't really ever be made with certain 100% fact. But in the Crosby vs Ovechkin debate... I'd have to say...
Viperstrike28 1 month ago
Ovechkin hits... hard... and thats great... crosby does more of the stick checking... maybe not as effective, but at least he helps more in his zone. Crosby has a more of a pass first mantality that makes his goal total lower. But he has a almost a 1.5 goals per 10 shot based on his shooting percentage, meaning crosby would score if he just shot the puck like a mad man like ovechkin
Viperstrike28 1 month ago
Crosbys point rely heavily on his five on five linemates... such as kunitz, dupius, neal (now not in other years), fedetenko, who have never been established as dominant... yes he gets malkin the odd time... but lets look at the facts... Ovie plays mostly with a defensemen who got 30 goals and like 80 points one year... backstrom is his center who has gone over 100 points in his career... and for awhile had semin another 30-40 goal scorer... so crosby has a bit less to work with in my opinion
Viperstrike28 1 month ago 2
Crosby plays center has to skate back in his zone behind the net and play both sides of the ice when defending. He takes on two defenders if he goes up the middle of the ice because the defenders are on the outside of him when he is in the middle (not that he is there all the time) he comes off the ice when his shift is over and you'd never see him out there for an entire powerplay of 4 minutes unlike some (ovechkin)
Viperstrike28 1 month ago
Ok. Ovechkin plays the wing and only comes back to the blue line, stays on the ice longer and takes way more shots... he has a lower shooting percentage than crosby and scores once out of every 10 shots... he only takes on one defender most times because 2 defenders dont slide over to his side of the ice...
Viperstrike28 1 month ago
i think ovechkin is better for many reasons.. one of them being if crosby gets tripped as hes on a break away.. he will fall and cry and bitch for a penalty.. as ovechkin will get tripped and still fucking score. im canadien and ovechkin is fucking king. deal with it.
bigbadsubban 1 month ago
@bigbadsubban Ovechkin is a loser who is barely a point per game over the last 2 seasons meanwhile Crosby is entering Jaromir Jagr like offensive dominance. Oh and that so called "bitch" scored the record breaking 14th Olympic gold medal, overtime winning goal. I doubt you'd have the balls to call Sid a bitch to his face. One of the most physically conditioned athletes in the world would handle you with relative ease and has Millions of dollars you or I could only dream of. Owned.
Wreckeningbassist666 1 month ago
Ever notice that ovechkin is only better when his fans say he is in youtube whereas Crosby proves it on the ice?
juzu4me 2 months ago 2
@juzu4me pt2 It's exactly like how you said that Russia was top ranked going into the Olympics, and you never did find that article that said so, even though you claimed it was incredibly easy to find. It's just like how you run out of actual facts to say, so you start going completely off topic and insulting me. There's no reason to do it unless you know you have nothing left to say that won't make you sound like a moron, so you look for anything to make me look bad.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg lol hes insulting you because you're the one whos bringing up irrelevant arguments.
rowmike27 2 months ago
@rowmike27 They're quite relevant if you have enough brainpower to see the logic I quite clearly state, which quite honestly, is not very much brainpower. His insults also began at a point when he would completely ignore what I was saying because he had been repeating the same thing over and over again, hoping that his opinion would refute various stats I posted.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Your senility is now the issue here. It isn't an article that officially listed russia as the team to beat heading into the olympics, it was an official ranking. I know it's driving you mad and I'm not going to alleviate your anxiety like you want me to. I'm not doing your assignment for you. You have all day and night to dig through useless information and you ignore the facts that refute everything you say. Anyway have a nice day and don't eat to much. STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me Considering there is no official Olympic ranking board, it was an article by a major sports network. There is no ISS equivalent of team rankings. But regardless of what it was, the point stands; if it was so easy to find, then why didn't you ever find it? If there are so many thousands of players who do better in the second half, why have you been repeating the same one over and over again? I've proven that my speculation actually has basis. It's more like you're making up random crap.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg haha you just called your rant over the past 2 months 'speculation' hahaha, you said it. Russia was officially ranked first going into the Olympics in 2010. It was the Swedes that pointed me in the direction of this official ranking. Go as them. And hey.....STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me I showed you proof that people expected Canada to win. You're expecting me to take you at your word that there's an "official" ranking that said Russia was going to win, and haven't found the proof despite it being, supposedly, easy to win. Well if it's so easy to find, where is it, and if there are so many thousands of people who do better in the second half, why have you only shown me one example, which was invalidated by his VERY NEXT SEASON?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg I showed you proof-Sid was on pace to beat 65 and that is what we go by. Thousands and thousands of athletes have better second halfs than first. Because you have a fat girlfriend, you think everyone else has fat girlfriends too, And that we make videos called Stick and make fools of ourselves. Shows your lack of creativity and boring nature. I'm going to recored the stats of the leaders after 41 games and then note their ending stats and you'll get TWO fat girlfriends. STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me You keep saying that there's proof, but you never show any. "He was on pace to" doesn't mean "he would have." Otherwise all of the people I listed would have ended the season with higher point totals. Also, who's lying now? Crosby was on pace for 64. 63.96, to be exact. What does it say about you that you have to lie to make up fake stats to make your point? What does it say about you that you have to insult me personally to make you feel better about your own shortcomings?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg HE WAS ON PACE to beat 65 means he was 100% on pace to and would have beat 65. You have all day and night to dig around and find useless data that supports nothing, while I have to work and go to school. I do this for entertainment, to laugh at the idiots I thank god I'll never be-while this is your number one reason for living. So, go nail your fatty and STICK STICK STICK HAHAHAHAHA
juzu4me 1 month ago
@juzu4me First of all, he was on pace only for 64, and you're saying he'd beat 65? Who's lying now? Secondly, ok then, let's put your logic to the test. Your logic is that "on pace" means there is a 100% chance that the person will finish with the exact same rate of scoring. Phil Kessel's current PPG is 1.28. That puts him on pace for 105 points. If your logic holds true, Phil Kessel will finish with exactly 105 points. No more, no less. Otherwise, your entire argument is wrong.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
If your logic holds true, Phil Kessel will finish with exactly 105 points, as per his 1.28 PPG. Also, Joffrey Lupul's PPG is 1.2. If your logic holds true. Phil Kessel will finish with exactly 105 points, and Joffrey Lupul will finish with exactly 98 points. Ryan-Nugent Hopkins will finish with exactly 88 points. If any of these are wrong, your logic is wrong, and everything you've said is wrong, since you're saying that pace is a 100% accurate prediction.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@juzu4me Well? According to your argument, if Kessel doesn't finish with exactly 105 points, Lupul with exactly 105, and RNH with exactly 88, your logic is wrong, and your entire argument is wrong, since "on pace for" apparently means to you "100% chance will end up with". So all of those guys will get exactly those amounts of points.
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg according to your logic, Stamkos and Gwynn are characters from fairytales and they don't really exist. They couldn't possibly exist. Stamkos? Gwynn? The thousands of athletes who have accelerated their play in second halves? Who are they? STICK
juzu4me 1 month ago
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@juzu4me according to your logic, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Lemieux, and Jagr are characters from fairytales and they don't really exist. They couldn't possibly exist. The thousands of athletes who have slowed down their play in second halves? Who are they? Furthermore, Crosby was on pace for 64. Not to beat 65. Who's the liar now?
kdfsjljklgjfg 1 month ago
Crosby not have not only kept pace to beat that ovechkin's 65 but I believe he would have accelerated and got close to 70. Crosby is easily the most brilliant player to come along in the last 15 years, while ovechkin is now a floater who gets his coach fired. Wow, Crosby, the GOLDEN GOAL FOR CANADA YEAHHH
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me You're still dodging your major flaw. How does your ONE example outweigh my FOUR? I can give evidence to another 20 or so.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg lol, you little girl holding your hands over your ears. I can show thousands of instances where both hockey players and athletes accelerated their play in the latter half of a season. Thousands, and you have a mere 4 where they didn't??? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Crosby, the superstar that scored the golden goal for the great Canada YEAHHHHHH go cry little man. Your hero is a russian that has lost the will to try and the player I support is going to win the mvp and the Cup this year:)
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me Ok then, If you can show thousands, then why have you only shown one over and over again, when I've been criticizing you for only having one?
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Because it is obvious that some athletes stats slow down in the 2nd half. It is obvious that some athletes stats acceleratein the 2nd half. This is known fact throughout the history of sport and I'm not going to waste my time with a painstaking search for players data that will support my statement because it is OBVIOUSLY out there. Crosby may or may not have beat 65, neither of us know. Many say yes, many say no. But he was ON PACE TO BEAT 65, and you can't refute that!!!!!
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me And in 09-10, Ovechkin was on pace to score 138 points. You're treating speculation as fact. I've given historical precedent that top tier players often go on massive scoring periods then slow down. You've basically responded with "yeah, well lots of people don't!" and expect it to be held more truthful than statistical fact. It's more likely that Crosby would have slowed down than kept pace, and FAR more likely he would have slowed down than sped up.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg And yet it isn't 'far more likely' that he would have slowed down. You're acting as if your opinion is accepted truth, when in fact the only thing you're garnering is pity for your pathetic tendency to lie and twist things around. As many athletes have had better second halfs and first halfs, and just because your life is empty and have the time to do research all day to try and strenghten your opinions that doesn't mean I do. Hard to believe I wasted this much of my lunch time!
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me Oh? When have I lied? Point out any part of this conversation where I have lied, and you're not just making crap up because you cry when people make you look like a moron. So I post multiple examples, and you post just one and we have to take your word for it? Prove your point, prove that you're actually arguing with facts instead of "I'm right because I'm me." Oh, and to use math like you did, when something goes above normal, it is expected to eventually return to the median.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg haha when did you lie Pinochio.? You wouldn't know the truth if it bit your fat saggy ass. If you deny that elite athletes can't accelerate their game and if you say Crosby had zero chance of beating 65 then your nose will grow so long it will be up ovechkin's ass. Oh wait, it's been there for years! You'd suck ovechkin's cock and lie for him and wipe his ass, you're so in love that you spend your whole life lying day and night on the internet and all over it. Pathetic fool.
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me Well score one for me then, since you can't find a single example of that. It's also apparent that since you can't do anything but scream baseless opinions over and over through your resorting to insults of my person. If you have no credibility left, destroy that of the other person, right? Tossing insults does nothing but say that you're out of ideas and you're mad that you're dumber than the other person. I've given proof. You've called me a liar with no proof. GG.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg lol nice try, you don't score points by lying. Out of hundreds of thousands of athletes you named 4 instances when they didn't have as good a second half as their first. Tell you what, if you go break down the Sedins first and half stats and find you are right, which you won't find, I'll apologize for calling your girlfriend fat and making fun of your video Stick. Crosby was on pace to break the record and your IQ is too small to see that mathematically he would have broken it :)
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me First off, not my girlfriend, second off, it really shows how wrong you know you are if you have to resort to personal insults to try to feel superior. Third, Henrik Sedin's first half of 2010-11: 54 points in 41 games. Second half: 40 points in 41. Daniels Sedin's first half: 54 points in 41 games. Second half: 50 points in 41 games. Way to have your own example backfire.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Never said JUST 2010. Their careers. What you want to establish is that an athlete has never ever kept up a pace. Go on, get busy. And quit being embarrassed about having an obese girlfriend. If she saw that she would be hurt
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me What I want to establish is that it's a VERY common thing for players to have hot starts and then cool down significantly. Considering I now have 6 examples of that to only 1 of the contrary, it's more in my favor. Considering I've shown multiple times now that it's a common thing for players to cool down after hot starts, and you keep going "STAMKOS DID IT ONCE, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHERS BUT TRUST ME, IT HAPPENS A LOT", it's kind of like you grasping at straws.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
Now that, my friend, was a rebuttal. The retard can twist and lie all he wants but when he closes his eyes in his lonely room later he'll know he got owned. Later
juzu4me 2 months ago
Stamkos not only kept up his pace in 09/10 he accelerated unbelievably. Crosby was runaway mvp last season but our hero kdfs here is insinuating the Crosby wouldn't have scored another 5 goals that season. Wow, not one person I've come across has less knowledge than this peabody
juzu4me 2 months ago
Hey kdfs, one plus one equals two hahaha or does it?
juzu4me 2 months ago
a team effort not just an individual effort. The Pittsburgh Penguins finished last season with 106 points (the second most point in Penguins history) without Crosby and Malkin in the lineup. Through 6 seasons (416 games) Crosby has maintained an overall P/G total of 1.39 P/G average. Looking at Ovechkin's P/G average is 1.27 in 497 games played, he has played 81 more games than Crosby which pretty much equates to a whole season. Crosby has a better P/G with less games played in the NHL.
001MeTaBoLiC100 2 months ago
This would have won him the Art Ross Trophy (132 points) and the Rocket Richard Trophy (64 goals). Crosby would have beat Daniel Sedin by 28 points and 14 goals higher than Corey Perry followed by 19 more than Stamkos (runner up). He would have also finished the season with a +40 rating based on the consistent pace. The 25 game point streak clearly defines consistency this statistic dates back to the 90's, during this time the Pens were 13-0-1 (12 consecutive wins) this also exemplifies...
001MeTaBoLiC100 2 months ago
@001MeTaBoLiC100 That's IF he maintained his pace, which there was very small odds of it actually happening. Mario Lemieux scored at a 2.66 PPG rate through 41 games in 95-96. That pace dropped to 2.30 by season's end. Gretzky went from 1.87 through 46 to 1.60 at season's end in 95-96. 00-01 Jagr, from 1.87 through 45 to 1.49. There's VERY little chance Crosby would have kept up his pace, and you're being very optimistic when you assume he would have.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Okay lets say Crosby finished with 105 (instead of 132) points dropping his P/G of 1.61 to to 1.28. Crosby still would have won the scoring title. This is 27 points less than the pace Crosby would have been on last season. Crosby would have easily won the scoring title because he had enough of a buffer between him and Stamkos prior to his injury.
001MeTaBoLiC100 2 months ago
@001MeTaBoLiC100 Not saying that he would've had a bad year, or that he wouldn't have won the scoring title, I'm just saying that it's a bit outlandish to assume that he would've kept up his pace when greats such as Gretzky/Lemieux/Francis had similar streaks and still cooled off.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
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@kdfsjljklgjfg dude I just gave you a legit comparison between their stats in their first 6 seasons and Crosby by far owns Francis, so with that said why are you making any comparison between the two? The only impication you're making with your ridiculous comment is that Francis is either as good or better then Crosby.
rowmike27 2 months ago
Sidney Crosby has only played 8 games and has the P/G in the NHL with 2.00, that being said, I know it is early in the season for him but last season he also maintained consistency with a 1.61 P/G in 41 games. Daniel Sedin (2010-2011 Art Ross Trophy leader) completed last season with a 1.27 P/G average and he played 82 games. Alexander Ovechkin last season averaged 1.08 P/G in 79 games. Crosby had the best P/G average in the NHL before his injury which demonstrated consistency.
001MeTaBoLiC100 2 months ago
blah blah blah ovi slowed down so Crosby would have as well blah blah blah. This stupid moron, if his thinking was correct then ovie and Crosby would end up with the same amount of points every year. blah blah blah, ovi slowed down so Crosby would have as well. blah blah blah, everything is a straight line blah blah blah
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me Players have hot streaks. That's a fact. Crosby had a hot streak. He was already showing signs of slowing down, evidenced by only 1 point in 3 games, including being held scoreless in 2 of his 3 highest TOI games of the year. Also, Crosby HAS had a nice start this year, but let's see when he actually starts playing good teams. He scored against the Islanders and Senators, both bottom feeders dead last in their divisions, and was pointless vs St. Louis.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg reading through your comments ive never seen aomeone as blatently biased as you. Right now Crosby is the better player and in the long run it looks like he'll stay that way. The key word in that logic is obviously consistancy. I'm not going to say Ovechkin is a bad player, hell hes one of the best LW to ever play the game, if not the best. But his style of play is really one demensinol. Asside from his hitting, he's just a run and gun type of player.
rowmike27 2 months ago
@rowmike27 I'm not even a Caps fan. Hell, I don't even care much for Ovechkin. It just agitates me when Crosby fans act as if he's Jesus on skates, and say that he's better than Ovechkin often by producing flat out lies, and other times by using arguing points that can be used just as easily to make Crosby look bad, and in the end they just spew whatever they hear without thinking about it. Up until last season, Ovechkin was consistent. But Boudreau is trying to change his game.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Don't get me wrong man, I understand what your saying but I think you get that same perspective from Ovechkin fans as or Datsyuk fans. It's all the same but one thing you can't ignore is Crosby's 580 points in 416 games. Thats fifth in nhl points per game history. I just honestly think you cant get mad at people for saying Crosbys one of the best ever. And also Ovechkin hasnt always been consistant like you said. His second season he had his second lowest scoring season
rowmike27 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Gee,. you make a broken record sound like a creative genius. Fact is that if Crosby had just stayed on the same pace he would have gotten more than Ovechkin. No one is saying he would have speeded up or slowed down except you, you silly little knowledgeless parrot. You have no mathematical proof that he would have slowed down or speeded up-I have mathematical proof that he would have stayed the same. You pass off your boring opionions as truth....FACT
juzu4me 2 months ago
@juzu4me IF he stayed on the same pace, he would have. But he didn't. At the same time, IF Ovechkin had stayed on his same pace in 09-10, he would've been better than Crosby would have under the same circumstances. I have historical precedent stating that it's more likely that he would have slowed down than stayed the same. Where is your mathematical proof he would have stayed the same? Where is your ANY proof that he would have stayed the same? Go ahead. Enlighten me with your fact.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg I see a person pointed this out but you ignored it so I'll point it out again. Ovechkins career point per game average is 1.27 and Crosbys is 1.39. Over the last year Crosbys numbers have increased while Ovechkins have decreased thus leading to the different ppg averages. Based on that I think it's fair to say a more dynamic player like Crosby had a better chance of keeping up that pace then Ovechkin. Enlighten me though, whens the last time Ovechkin has a 25 game point streak?
rowmike27 2 months ago
@rowmike27 Again. Ron Francis was a dynamic player who could score. He had a better pace than Crosby over the same amount of games and slowed down.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
@kdfsjljklgjfg Ron Francis also played in a completely different era of hockey where it was a lot easier to accumulate goals and points but yet Crosby still has a much higher point per game average then Francis. Crosby has 580 points in 416, Francis had 492 points in 418 games. You know what I hate? Little Crosby bandwagon haters who will never credit him for anything. Someone like yourself. And lets be honest, theres more blind haters out there like you then there are blind Crosby fans.
rowmike27 2 months ago
@rowmike27 The era is not the issue here, otherwise I would be pointing out how much more he scored than Crosby. It's not the flat amount of points that he scored that is relevant. It's the dropoff in how much he scored in one straight streak compared to his average over the whole season. The point is that Ron Francis was a very good hockey player, and his streak slowed as well. Again, you're putting words in my mouth, because not once did I say Ron Francis was a better player.
kdfsjljklgjfg 2 months ago
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rowmike27 2 months ago