best and worst of all it's cost a third of a ferrari or a lamborghini, so if you buy it, you wont be standing on the driveway smoking cigar saying to your neighbors "I spend a million on a car"
By the way, how can you test then build? The car is not there? Meaning, all that performance, handling and speed is balognie. Its just a car with an engine that you slap on that takes you places.
I wonder where Tboninator got his mpg figures for the ZR1? Must have been the mythical "30mpg" report. Lastest test by Motortrend put the ZR1 at 8mpg city and 14mpg highway, while another test put the GT-R at 16mpg city and 21mpg highway. So much for the V8 having better fuel economy than the V6...
When I made those posts, every source I could find confirmed those numbers. Now everywhere reads much lower. I could have been looking at Z06 numbers, but I doubt it.
Regardless, the ZR1 is a higher performance vehicle, and certainly far more fun to drive with less electronic nanny assists and more driver feedback than the GTR... Oh, and it's just plain faster.
A video game? Really? You're basing your opinion of a vehicle based off a video game... I guess there is really no point in continuing this conversation given the fact that you've seriously attempted to analyze a car's real world characteristics via a video game.
And a Ferrari 458 would not be a fun car. To drive, sure, but given the initial cost, insanely high cost of ownership, and expensive repairs, you wouldn't be driving it much.
@Tboninator A simulator highly regarded by professonal race drivers is more like it (eg Jeff Gordon, Sebastian Loeb, and Tanner Faust to name a few), not to mention one who's programmer actually races for real (like in the 24 Hours of Nurburgring).
Oh and this guy (who works on BMW's for a living) would have a few words about the Corvette you'll have a serious debate with:
I'm not going to bother with more anti-American fanboys who hate the Corvette purely because it's American. Look at facts, stats, and specifications, not retarded YouTube compilations. The guy is nothing more than a troll, showing videos of modified Corvettes failing under stressful conditions- perhaps you should look up the issues with stock GTR's stripping their transaxles, wrecks, and words from an anti-American goon from an overrated British TV show...
Hahaha! Fanboy... That's rich... Because I can recognize a troll video, understand the lack of importance of the creator's supposed career choices, and that it has absolutely nothing of merit, apparently I'm a fanboy. Says the kid who's trying to use a video game to analyze a vehicle's real world handling, and has never set foot in an actual 'Vette.
I love it when people pull the fanboy card when the realize they're beat. Desperate.
Highly regarded by who and for what? Video games do not represent the real world handling of cars (haven't you ever read the disclaimers at the beginning of racing games?)... And GT... Forza Motorsport has long been considered king where physics are involved... And we know how well RWD cars handle in that game. Seriously, if you can't see how flat out stupid your "analysis" is, then just stop talking.
@Tboninator So you wanna argue with pros like Jacques Villenueve (former F1 Champion, who used an older video game to actually train for the sport just a year earlier when he joined the Williams Team)?
It's hilarious that you think that a video game actually represents real world handling, and that the times you put down in that game actually mean anything. If anyone's a fanboy, it's you, simply because of how desperate you are to be right about something you have no choice in. You're relying on a troll and a video game. That's not a very good arsenal when you're wanting to dispute what's proven.
@Tboninator Wanna take that arguement with Formula Drift Champion Tanner Faust? See him here comparing his actual Drift car against the game's physics:
watch?v=GSLhLQ-LT-8
Or perhaps former F1 driver Johnny Herbert, who headed the GT Academy, an experiment designed to see if Gran Turimso players could actually translate their gaming skills into real life racing (which it did - the top player ended up racing at the 24 Hours of Dubai and finished the race)?
You are really trying to push this aren't you? Come off it, kid, GT does not represent real life. Yes, professional racers can take what they've learned and put it to work in a racing game. Who would have thought... I guess that means that GT5 mimics real life, right? And that your "analysis" of the ZR1 in a video game accurately represents it's real life performance? You can post as many videos as you want, it doesn't change a thing, kiddo.
@Tboninator Yep, just like I thought from a hater. I bet you're too chicken to stand up to those pros if you're gonna take the arguement to them. Who's the real kid now? Anyway I'll be heading to work now (as in driving there); being an administrator of a NOC sure gets busy.
So I'm sure with all that practice in GT, you'll be able to put down similar laptimes with the same car and track? Your an idiot for even trying to make a comparison, let alone trying to argue the validity of your little "review".
People like you search for excuses any time your shit is thrown in your face. I'm a hater/fanboy because I've looked at the simple facts and past the hype of a video game to understand that there are many variables that a video game just can't mimic.
Chicken? Stand up to the pros? Stand up how? Tell them something they surely already acknowledge? You're taking opinions of how realistic some pro drivers think a video game is, and using that to try and justify your claims of GT5 mimicking real life exactly to the point that it's somehow now a valid way to review vehicles... Which is a complete and utter joke.
To attest to how little you know, you mentioned that the ZR1 oversteers, as do other RWD cars you tested... If that's the way RWD cars handle in GT5, then that is the exact opposite of what occurs in real life. Oversteer is a characteristic of FWD, and some AWD vehicles (or if you're a bloated, overrated British television show host, every vehicle that can spin out). RWD cars have the tendency to PUSH in the corners, which is called UNDERsteer, not oversteer.
@Tboninator LOLOLOLOL! Are you auditioning for Comedian of the Year? Because you sure pulled out the biggest case of BS from that fat arse of yours. If the Drift 101 video wasn't a good example of why RWD cars are ideal for drifting (which involves deliberatly causing oversteer) I don't know what is. Better head back to driving school. In fact this website called Autozine Technical School gives tons of detailed explanations of why RWD cars tend to Oversteer and FWD cars tend to Understeer.
Oh wow... You have so much to learn, kiddo. I bet you think drift cars "oversteer", while they're going sideways, right? That's not oversteer or understeer. RWD cars will almost ALWAYS push in the corners UNTIL you break traction... Then the rear end kicks out and the car wants to spin out- that is NOT oversteer. If you want to talk to me about cars, get your shit straight, son.
@Tboninator LOL not from what everone else tells. As long as you turn then the back end "breaks loose" and lets the car spin faster than the curve path, that's oversteer. Try to turn, and you're not turning fast enough, that's understeer. Neither happens (i.e. the car turns perfectly), it's Neutral Steer. The Autozine techincal schools says it, Wikipedia says it, Tanner Faust says it, and even Formula 1 says it.
@Tboninator from the Autozine article (with editing)
When a car enters a corner, all the tyres are turned with respect to the ground. Due to the elasticity of the pneumatic tyre, the tread in the contact patch will resist the turning action because there is friction generated between the rubber and the road surface. As a result, the treads on the contact patch will be distorted, whose direction always lags behind the direction of the wheel. This results in Slip Angle.
@Tboninator (Cont) Now... if the front and rear wheels have different slip angles, then we get understeer and oversteer :
Understeer : Front Slip Angle > Rear Slip Angle
Oversteer : Front Slip Angle < Rear Slip Angle
Neutral steer : Front Slip Angle = Rear Slip Angle
Car magazines often prefer the handling of rear-wheel-drive cars. They say FWD cars usually understeer while RWD is easier to provide power oversteer. Now, we use the concept of Slip Angle to explain this.
@Tboninator (cont) Consider a driving wheel, which is under cornering and has created slip angle. If tractive force (that is, the pulling force from the engine) is applied, the slip angle will increase. This is because the tractive force applied between the tyre and ground will distort the tread on the contact patch further.
@Tboninator In fact I can attest in real life how I experienced both Oversteer and Understeer in the two types of cars. Once I drove at 50mph in a 1980 Toyota Corona (a RWD car), then while in a curve, I hit the brakes hard and turned to the side when two kids darted across the street. The car did a near 180 degree spin. Years later I was in a 1994 Corolla (a FWD car), and I did a similar evasive manuver when a van cut my path. This time the car just plowed almost straight ahead.
@Tboninator (end) So with that in mind, it's not hard to associate Oversteer with RWD and Understeer with FWD. Basically in a RWD car, especially with a high powered engine, all that torque (especially without traction control) can cut the rear wheels' grip down, resulting in a "loose" rear end when accelerating. Conversely, with a FWD car, the rear wheels are practically "anchored" to the road compared to the front wheels, which now have to deal with both steering and torque forces.
@Tboninator And lastly, here's former F1 Race Driver Martin Brundle demonstrating the phenomenons:
watch?v=JcthJw_EHZQ
What happened when he set the car so it would oversteer was just like what I experienced with the ZR1 - around the corner, especially if I rev too much (especially on the exit of the corner), the rear wants to go far out so I have to "catch" it, and in the end, slow my pace.
So my definition is a bit different from the norm. I don't judge a car's handling when it's not glued to the road. If it's sliding, then it's no longer showing it's handling characteristics. RWD cars tend to push until the threshold is pushed and it starts to lose traction. If that's generally viewed as oversteer, fine. I don't see it like that. Regardless, a video game is not an accurate tool to measure the performance of a vehicle. That will stand true until the end of time.
@Tboninator Your definition is definitely WAY OFF from the automotive standards. And I bet you're gonna criticize anyone (even race engineers) for using simulators to test a car's driving physics (F1 race engineers spend hours on these simulators testing their theories before the actual team drivers go out on race weekends thanks to the FIA's recent testing bans, unlike the old days where F1 teams could secure a track and test all they want).
GT5 != simulator. Just because they call it a "simulator" it's still a video game. I can guarantee you that GT5 doesn't replicate real world physics like a simulator dedicated specifically for engineering F1 cars.
You have avoided the question. With all your practice in GT5, would you be able to lay down similar laptimes out on the track with the same car and course you practiced in? Simple answer: no. There are things a video game just can't account for.
@Tboninator With my current skills, not yet. However the game has a trophy to be won for replicating test driver Toshio Suzuki's 7:29.03 laptime at the Nurburgring (conducted by Nissan on 17 April 2008 while testing a 2009 Nissan GT-R - in other words, this run here watch?v=UBZ5i15yVU8 ) with a 2007 Nissan GT-R available in the game. So there.
@Tboninator Hehe what's the matter? Sore about the Corvette going into misadvantures like
watch?v=ubE5mj-RR10 (if the Corvette is supposed to understeer like you claim, then that car in the video should have run into that tree nose first, instead of slapping its butt on it)
watch?v=CLdKPCC6k2w
watch?v=_I48-CNzToQ
watch?v=zMh9mQE8X0s
watch?v=Y0MlD8nxHD4
watch?v=uoO-0jlbOo8 (actually I almost can't imagine what would cause that flat spin at such low speed)
The answer is no. No matter how much you practice in the video game, you wouldn't be able to pull off similar lap times without real world practice. Sure a video game can teach you landmarks, turns, etc, depending on how accurate it is, but it can't teach you the finesse and feel of the car, or replicate variables such has wind speed, direction, air pressure, ambient temp, brake fade, and track temp, to name a few, all are large factors in pushing a car without losing control.
@Tboninator Like I mentioned before, take it to the experts who applied the game's physics to real world applications (eg Formula D Champion Tanner Faust in his Drift 101 Video, WRC driver Sebastian Loeb who tutorials the WRC challenges, etc).
@Tboninator Like I mentioned before, take it to the experts who applied the game's physics to real world applications (eg Formula D Champion Tanner Faust in his Drift 101 Video, WRC and Lemans driver Sebastian Loeb who tutorials the WRC challenges and also nailed the Le Sarth track watch?v=-0G0_XFGlu4 , etc).
why the fuck would they not do a spec video with out a fucking 6 speed car. u get way more torque nvm u can chirp gears and rip way faster then an automatic. that almost makes the vid mean nothing for the car. who would buy a sexy sport car like that anyway that wasnt 6 speed lmao FAIL
bye bye corvette zr1 heres your maker .better 0-60 better 1/4 times with 2 less cylinders..those fagots in corvette are now finally introducing a launch control version of the zr1..hmmm wonder why they ever thought of that..even with the launch they cant get power to the ground.haha
@bsnismo88 But maybe not as exciting, rear wheel drive and a 3-pedal layout with all that power I would believe to be more freightening and also more exciting. But hats off to the Nissan anyway, they made a working mans car that gives you the allround speed of cars worth 5 times as much.
@vithaj92 i can agree with that.. but if youve got the money, there is no reason to not drop a six speed manual in there...and for the money your money be saving in comparison to buying a lexus lfa, an audi r8, ford gt500, porche, ferrari etc. you'll have plenty to spend.
Remember the SpecV has bigger turbos than the the Gtr. So with a mild tune, you could see 700hp easily. Better suspension, lighter wheels, lighter exhaust, and overall better package. Just wait till people start tuning this beast. Lights out zr1, gt2, lambos, ferraris, etc.
I am sorry they took a car that was a phenomenal deal at $80,000 or so and made it a terrible deal at twice the price.
Considering the regular GT-R looks 99.99% the same as this car, can carry 4 people and has almost the same performance and handling, why would you buy this?
90% of the time you will just drive this to work or the club and then home anyway.
My buddy has a GT-R and he drive it to the hospital and home everyday, that's it.
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So they've doubled the price of the original GT-R, to what? Match/slightly surpass the ZR1? And they did that without increasing horsepower? What a joke.
@Tboninator you would think just adding horsepower would make it faster wouldnt you, typical american styled thinking about speed. truth is that the gtr has 180 less horsepower and can be quicker than the zr1. Thats just great ingenuity for Nissan
Yeah, typical American way of thinking that increasing the power to weight ratio could possibly improve performance. So far what has Nissan done with the Spec-V? They've doubled the price, reduced the weight, and added 5 horsepower. That's great, but with that they've only MATCHED their competition, nearly doubled the price of their competition, and what? 160-170k for a car that performs less than slightly better than a ZR1? Pass.
And wow, who would have thought that an AWD could be quicker from a dig than a RWD car. That's just absolutely fucking MINDBLOWING. Great ingenuity Nissan, proving something we've known for ages. On to other news, the GT-R still only matches the ZR1 for 60-70 grand more, and from a roll, the ZR1 will still blow it's doors off.
Yeah, typical way of American thinking- critically and logically. Don't you just fucking hate it?
@Tboninator horsepower isn't everything..it is not built just to go fast on straight line it has carbon ceramic brakes,carbon fibre body parts better dampers all to make it better through the corners and look what a diiference it makes!!it was slower than the ZR1 before and now it is faster with only 5 MORE horses!!!!
That's fantastic. Best bang for the buck, 90k GT-R, 105k ZR1, or 165k GT-R Spec-V? ZR1 please and thank you. It looks better, sounds better, and I can guarantee you is a lot more fun to drive than that GT-R with all it's electronic nannies.
@Tboninator I am not arguing with you on what car looks better or feels better....I am trying to prove to you that power isn't everything..power also plays a major role but handling and lightness are really more important.let me just put it in simple terms.which one would be the first to finish on a F1 racing track?a Rocketship or a car?the rocketship has a huge amount of power but it is completely USELESS because it is uncontrollable.
Trying to prove something I already understand. They've doubled the price, lightened the car, and improved the brakes, which have only had a minor effect on performance. Power is the most important role when it comes to making it around most any track, because power can compensate for handling- not the other way around. The fact of the matter is, the GT-R Spec-V is only half assed for the price. They should have upgraded the power to give performance that justifies it's cost.
@Tboninator But most of a track is not straight lines it is corners.For an example why couldnt the 1000BHp be fastest car in Top gear laptimes if power is the most important and why is the ariel atom faster than the ZR1 ?it has a honda engine??the atom was light and Grips much better it doesnt make a cloud of smoke very time you accelerate.I totally disagree with that power can compensate for handling.
Power to weight ratio. I thought we just went over this? The Ariel Atom has 2 pounds for every horse, the ZR1 has a little over 5 pounds per horsepower- half the power to weight ratio. If you removed horsepower from the Ariel Atom to roughly equal the power to weight ratio of the ZR1, how much you wanna bet you would see very similar lap times?
Power can compensate for handling- not the other way around.
@Tboninator The onlything the ZR1 has over the Spec V is 174 more torque and 153 more bhp also a 6.2 L to do what a GTR can do for less!!! If you wanna start comparing 638bhp to 485 how about you compare the ZR1 to the Noble M600 and the LP670 SV? Americans won't because the ZR1 can bearly beat a 1740kg 485bhp with 434 lb of torque thats pathetic!!!
RWD vs AWD. The GTR has the advantage there, being able to put power to the ground more easily. Leave it to Americans to think critically and logically- you're unable to do that, apparently.
@Tboninator Yeah and you're too childish to put the car up against other cars in it's class because it will get it's nose wiped!!! AWD with 485bhp is still no match for a RWD 638bhp with 174lb of torque more get you're facts right first!!!
RWD vs AWD fucktard. RWD vs AWD. RWD vs AWD. RWD vs AWD. An AWD cars have a lot more usable horsepower at slower speeds, meaning they can hammer down harder out of corners, meaning the RWD car needs more horsepower to make up for that disadvantage on the straights, or any mild stretch, which the ZR1 does, and even outdoes the GTR by quite a bit.
@Tboninator Also America needs a 6.2L engine why? because they can't make a car with 3.8L it's just to high tech for them!!! And Gm had the option to make it AWD thats why the released the PTM 2010 ZR1 besically taking the GTR idea and putting it in the ZR1 hahaha!!!
Because a 6.2L supercharged engine makes it's power lower in the RPM range than a twin turbo'd 3.8L 6 cylinder engine, which makes it's power in the higher RPM range, which is unusable for both cars. Chevy could have made a high winding runt of a motor, but why? They get more power and better gas mileage with that 6.2L than Nissan does with their TT 3.8. Seriously, you're just embarrassing yourself now, and an AWD Corvette? Yeah, they could have but then it wouldn't be a Corvette.
@Tboninator It makes it power lower in the RPM because it's push rod not OHC, meaning even a 7 year old SLR can beat the ZR1 to 305km in 30sec and the ZR1 300km in 32sec but you're still comparing as less powered less torque 2 cylinders less 225KG more no CF brakes and body panels and 32K cheaper than the 3ZR and you're still trying to compare the 2 hahahaha pure desperation!!!
No, cam placement has nothing to do with it- you could have dual overhead cam, single over head cam, or you could have overhead valve (cam in block with pushrods), and you could still make the same power/powerband. It has to do with the size and it's stroke.
No, it doesn't have anything to do with it- it's simply placement and efficiency. Overhead cam allows for the use of more than 2 valves per cylinder- that's about it, other than it supposedly using less horsepower.
Bottom line facts: 6.2 supercharged pushrod V8 makes more power throughout it's powerband and has better fuel economy than Nissan's 3.8L TT dual overhead cam V6.
@Tboninator oh sorry so my stock 2000 Renault Laguna DOHC cam 4 cylinder with 4 valves per cylinder don't exsist them hahahaha!!! oh go look up you're tech please!!! ohc improve how a car breaths better nothing to do with the bore and strock of the engine yes thats part of it but it's how the car can breath how the mixture of fuel and air is mixed how it is forced into the cylinders by the intakes is
For your sake, try reading my posts- it will lead to a lot less embarrassment on your behalf, as I already addressed valves, cylinders, and overhead cams.
@Tboninator Better gas hahahahaha what a joke maybe on you're cheap iraq invaded prices but in the real world a GTR mpg is much higher 19mpg ZR1 GTR 23mpg I don't call that better!!!
@Tboninator Cond...A track mostly has corners more than straights.better handling cars can brake later,turn tighter and come to power earlier and that makes a big difference to the time.+ on a track straights arent that long to unleash lets say in this case all the 638 horsepowers.anything above 400 is enough is it is lighter and better through the corners.enough said
Like I said, "power is the most important role when it comes to making it around most any track"... If the track is nothing but corners, there is no way to get on the gas for any substantial amount of time, so yes, handling would win that battle, but most tracks don't just consist of corners, and have stretches, not necessarily straights, where you can get on the gas and make up for lost time in the corners.
And to further elaborate, handling cannot make up for power, because in order to go through the corners with any speed, you have to have the power to get it there in the first place, so it all comes down to the same simple fact:
Nissan doubled the price while only reducing the weight and upgrading the brakes (which don't cost nearly as much as the video claims) and suspension. There's no more horsepower, so that platform isn't being pushed.
@Tboninator I agree with you about GTR spec v being way overpriced.you're better off with ferrari or some other brand at that price level.I would never(if I had the money)spend 160k on a datsun.
huh.I guess this not going to end so I am going to make it fair by saying that we both are correct.you both need power AND handling and lightness to go fast.fair?
@MrEmupunk They need that bhp just to compare it with the GTR!!! Look at the Z06 more bhp more torque less weight (300KG) 2 more cylinders and the GTR kills it on every track!!! And can match it in the straights too...
I'm comparing a 6.2L supercharged V8 that makes more power, LOWER in the powerband, *AND* gets better fuel economy than a 3.8L twin turbo V6. What are you arguing? That Japan is more high tech because they can make less power out of a smaller motor and somehow manage to get worse fuel economy? What an achievement, bro.
@Tboninator It's all to do with better breathing on the intakes!!! they can react quicker than a push rod!!! As the Push rods will have onger rocker arms and soo!!!
Reaction time isn't an issue, it's the horsepower required to operated it- if you knew anything about motors, you would know that. Then again, I'm arguing with someone who likely hasn't even changed his own oil, let alone built motors like myself.
Breathing on the intakes? There's only one intake manifold, and it depends on the motor whether or not it has multiple intake valves. Like I said, overhead cam allows the use of more valves, which would mean more "breathing" depending on what they put in there- 1 intake, 2 exhaust; 1 intake, 1 exhaust; 2 intake, 1 exhaust; 2 intake, 2 exhaust, etc, etc.
Why the fuck are you talking about superchargers now? That hasn't been a talking point at all throughout this entire discussion, but if you want to bring it up, the supercharger makes it's boost, and provides horsepower the second you hit the pedal- no lag like those twin turbos, that take time to spool up to make it's peak, lesser horsepower.
Look what up? You're telling me to go look shit up that I already know, that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Get on fucking topic, or shut up.
@Tboninator What an achievement ? LOL fail right there my friend. Why are you saying that the Corvette ZR1 has better fuel economy while it actually have WORSE fuel economy(according to GM and Nissan website)
The GTR official track record at the Nordschleife is actuallyy 7:26.70. It's by the same driver (Toshio Suzuki) who did the 7:29 and the 7:38 previously.
damn japs know how to make their shite
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Two words................Fucking nasty
RGoneau 3 months ago
gt-r specv is better than normal gt-r
driftracerjohn11 7 months ago
@driftracerjohn11 no shit
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ePRTN 10 months ago
best and worst of all it's cost a third of a ferrari or a lamborghini, so if you buy it, you wont be standing on the driveway smoking cigar saying to your neighbors "I spend a million on a car"
moomoodeadcow 1 year ago
By the way, how can you test then build? The car is not there? Meaning, all that performance, handling and speed is balognie. Its just a car with an engine that you slap on that takes you places.
tnguyen318 1 year ago
3 people drive daewoos.
linghowwashere 1 year ago 16
I wonder where Tboninator got his mpg figures for the ZR1? Must have been the mythical "30mpg" report. Lastest test by Motortrend put the ZR1 at 8mpg city and 14mpg highway, while another test put the GT-R at 16mpg city and 21mpg highway. So much for the V8 having better fuel economy than the V6...
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
When I made those posts, every source I could find confirmed those numbers. Now everywhere reads much lower. I could have been looking at Z06 numbers, but I doubt it.
Regardless, the ZR1 is a higher performance vehicle, and certainly far more fun to drive with less electronic nanny assists and more driver feedback than the GTR... Oh, and it's just plain faster.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Not from what I've seen (especially considering that the GT-R has much less HP than the ZR1):
watch?v=e1h7S2Pa3Ho
Or perhaps you consider a rather dangerous and unstable car "fun" to drive? (see my comments on this video I uploaded
watch?v=De3d8sk8230 )
I'd rather have say the Ferrari 458 Italia if I wanted a "fun" car.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
A video game? Really? You're basing your opinion of a vehicle based off a video game... I guess there is really no point in continuing this conversation given the fact that you've seriously attempted to analyze a car's real world characteristics via a video game.
And a Ferrari 458 would not be a fun car. To drive, sure, but given the initial cost, insanely high cost of ownership, and expensive repairs, you wouldn't be driving it much.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator A simulator highly regarded by professonal race drivers is more like it (eg Jeff Gordon, Sebastian Loeb, and Tanner Faust to name a few), not to mention one who's programmer actually races for real (like in the 24 Hours of Nurburgring).
Oh and this guy (who works on BMW's for a living) would have a few words about the Corvette you'll have a serious debate with:
watch?v=o7qHeYqU1-8
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
I'm not going to bother with more anti-American fanboys who hate the Corvette purely because it's American. Look at facts, stats, and specifications, not retarded YouTube compilations. The guy is nothing more than a troll, showing videos of modified Corvettes failing under stressful conditions- perhaps you should look up the issues with stock GTR's stripping their transaxles, wrecks, and words from an anti-American goon from an overrated British TV show...
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Yep you just showed your Corvette fanboy true colors. Gets them every time.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
Hahaha! Fanboy... That's rich... Because I can recognize a troll video, understand the lack of importance of the creator's supposed career choices, and that it has absolutely nothing of merit, apparently I'm a fanboy. Says the kid who's trying to use a video game to analyze a vehicle's real world handling, and has never set foot in an actual 'Vette.
I love it when people pull the fanboy card when the realize they're beat. Desperate.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
Highly regarded by who and for what? Video games do not represent the real world handling of cars (haven't you ever read the disclaimers at the beginning of racing games?)... And GT... Forza Motorsport has long been considered king where physics are involved... And we know how well RWD cars handle in that game. Seriously, if you can't see how flat out stupid your "analysis" is, then just stop talking.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator So you wanna argue with pros like Jacques Villenueve (former F1 Champion, who used an older video game to actually train for the sport just a year earlier when he joined the Williams Team)?
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
It's hilarious that you think that a video game actually represents real world handling, and that the times you put down in that game actually mean anything. If anyone's a fanboy, it's you, simply because of how desperate you are to be right about something you have no choice in. You're relying on a troll and a video game. That's not a very good arsenal when you're wanting to dispute what's proven.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Wanna take that arguement with Formula Drift Champion Tanner Faust? See him here comparing his actual Drift car against the game's physics:
watch?v=GSLhLQ-LT-8
Or perhaps former F1 driver Johnny Herbert, who headed the GT Academy, an experiment designed to see if Gran Turimso players could actually translate their gaming skills into real life racing (which it did - the top player ended up racing at the 24 Hours of Dubai and finished the race)?
watch?v=sPdAzc4xHMM
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
You are really trying to push this aren't you? Come off it, kid, GT does not represent real life. Yes, professional racers can take what they've learned and put it to work in a racing game. Who would have thought... I guess that means that GT5 mimics real life, right? And that your "analysis" of the ZR1 in a video game accurately represents it's real life performance? You can post as many videos as you want, it doesn't change a thing, kiddo.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Yep, just like I thought from a hater. I bet you're too chicken to stand up to those pros if you're gonna take the arguement to them. Who's the real kid now? Anyway I'll be heading to work now (as in driving there); being an administrator of a NOC sure gets busy.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
So I'm sure with all that practice in GT, you'll be able to put down similar laptimes with the same car and track? Your an idiot for even trying to make a comparison, let alone trying to argue the validity of your little "review".
People like you search for excuses any time your shit is thrown in your face. I'm a hater/fanboy because I've looked at the simple facts and past the hype of a video game to understand that there are many variables that a video game just can't mimic.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
Chicken? Stand up to the pros? Stand up how? Tell them something they surely already acknowledge? You're taking opinions of how realistic some pro drivers think a video game is, and using that to try and justify your claims of GT5 mimicking real life exactly to the point that it's somehow now a valid way to review vehicles... Which is a complete and utter joke.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
To attest to how little you know, you mentioned that the ZR1 oversteers, as do other RWD cars you tested... If that's the way RWD cars handle in GT5, then that is the exact opposite of what occurs in real life. Oversteer is a characteristic of FWD, and some AWD vehicles (or if you're a bloated, overrated British television show host, every vehicle that can spin out). RWD cars have the tendency to PUSH in the corners, which is called UNDERsteer, not oversteer.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator LOLOLOLOL! Are you auditioning for Comedian of the Year? Because you sure pulled out the biggest case of BS from that fat arse of yours. If the Drift 101 video wasn't a good example of why RWD cars are ideal for drifting (which involves deliberatly causing oversteer) I don't know what is. Better head back to driving school. In fact this website called Autozine Technical School gives tons of detailed explanations of why RWD cars tend to Oversteer and FWD cars tend to Understeer.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
Oh wow... You have so much to learn, kiddo. I bet you think drift cars "oversteer", while they're going sideways, right? That's not oversteer or understeer. RWD cars will almost ALWAYS push in the corners UNTIL you break traction... Then the rear end kicks out and the car wants to spin out- that is NOT oversteer. If you want to talk to me about cars, get your shit straight, son.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator LOL not from what everone else tells. As long as you turn then the back end "breaks loose" and lets the car spin faster than the curve path, that's oversteer. Try to turn, and you're not turning fast enough, that's understeer. Neither happens (i.e. the car turns perfectly), it's Neutral Steer. The Autozine techincal schools says it, Wikipedia says it, Tanner Faust says it, and even Formula 1 says it.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator from the Autozine article (with editing)
When a car enters a corner, all the tyres are turned with respect to the ground. Due to the elasticity of the pneumatic tyre, the tread in the contact patch will resist the turning action because there is friction generated between the rubber and the road surface. As a result, the treads on the contact patch will be distorted, whose direction always lags behind the direction of the wheel. This results in Slip Angle.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator (Cont) Now... if the front and rear wheels have different slip angles, then we get understeer and oversteer :
Understeer : Front Slip Angle > Rear Slip Angle
Oversteer : Front Slip Angle < Rear Slip Angle
Neutral steer : Front Slip Angle = Rear Slip Angle
Car magazines often prefer the handling of rear-wheel-drive cars. They say FWD cars usually understeer while RWD is easier to provide power oversteer. Now, we use the concept of Slip Angle to explain this.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator (cont) Consider a driving wheel, which is under cornering and has created slip angle. If tractive force (that is, the pulling force from the engine) is applied, the slip angle will increase. This is because the tractive force applied between the tyre and ground will distort the tread on the contact patch further.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator (cont) Now the scene is clear.
FWD cars has the front wheel's slip angle > rear wheel's. This result in Understeer.
RWD cars has the front wheel's slip angle < rear wheel's. This result in Oversteer.
4WD cars, if the front / rear torque split is equal, has equal F/R slip angles, thus result in Neutral steer.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator In fact I can attest in real life how I experienced both Oversteer and Understeer in the two types of cars. Once I drove at 50mph in a 1980 Toyota Corona (a RWD car), then while in a curve, I hit the brakes hard and turned to the side when two kids darted across the street. The car did a near 180 degree spin. Years later I was in a 1994 Corolla (a FWD car), and I did a similar evasive manuver when a van cut my path. This time the car just plowed almost straight ahead.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
Confirming my suspicion that you do not, in fact, know what oversteer or understeer is. Once you lose traction, you're not dealing with either.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator (end) So with that in mind, it's not hard to associate Oversteer with RWD and Understeer with FWD. Basically in a RWD car, especially with a high powered engine, all that torque (especially without traction control) can cut the rear wheels' grip down, resulting in a "loose" rear end when accelerating. Conversely, with a FWD car, the rear wheels are practically "anchored" to the road compared to the front wheels, which now have to deal with both steering and torque forces.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator And it certainly would explain this:
watch?v=LpGkYEr0TtE
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator And lastly, here's former F1 Race Driver Martin Brundle demonstrating the phenomenons:
watch?v=JcthJw_EHZQ
What happened when he set the car so it would oversteer was just like what I experienced with the ZR1 - around the corner, especially if I rev too much (especially on the exit of the corner), the rear wants to go far out so I have to "catch" it, and in the end, slow my pace.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
So my definition is a bit different from the norm. I don't judge a car's handling when it's not glued to the road. If it's sliding, then it's no longer showing it's handling characteristics. RWD cars tend to push until the threshold is pushed and it starts to lose traction. If that's generally viewed as oversteer, fine. I don't see it like that. Regardless, a video game is not an accurate tool to measure the performance of a vehicle. That will stand true until the end of time.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Your definition is definitely WAY OFF from the automotive standards. And I bet you're gonna criticize anyone (even race engineers) for using simulators to test a car's driving physics (F1 race engineers spend hours on these simulators testing their theories before the actual team drivers go out on race weekends thanks to the FIA's recent testing bans, unlike the old days where F1 teams could secure a track and test all they want).
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
GT5 != simulator. Just because they call it a "simulator" it's still a video game. I can guarantee you that GT5 doesn't replicate real world physics like a simulator dedicated specifically for engineering F1 cars.
You have avoided the question. With all your practice in GT5, would you be able to lay down similar laptimes out on the track with the same car and course you practiced in? Simple answer: no. There are things a video game just can't account for.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator With my current skills, not yet. However the game has a trophy to be won for replicating test driver Toshio Suzuki's 7:29.03 laptime at the Nurburgring (conducted by Nissan on 17 April 2008 while testing a 2009 Nissan GT-R - in other words, this run here watch?v=UBZ5i15yVU8 ) with a 2007 Nissan GT-R available in the game. So there.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
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Tboninator 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
Go drive a Corvette and tell me how it feels to you. I can guarantee your scrutiny of the Corvette in GT5 will no longer feel valid to you.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator So far the Corvette vidoes I've seen convince me otherwise.
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
God, you are thick.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Hehe what's the matter? Sore about the Corvette going into misadvantures like
watch?v=ubE5mj-RR10 (if the Corvette is supposed to understeer like you claim, then that car in the video should have run into that tree nose first, instead of slapping its butt on it)
watch?v=CLdKPCC6k2w
watch?v=_I48-CNzToQ
watch?v=zMh9mQE8X0s
watch?v=Y0MlD8nxHD4
watch?v=uoO-0jlbOo8 (actually I almost can't imagine what would cause that flat spin at such low speed)
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@sailorenlil
The answer is no. No matter how much you practice in the video game, you wouldn't be able to pull off similar lap times without real world practice. Sure a video game can teach you landmarks, turns, etc, depending on how accurate it is, but it can't teach you the finesse and feel of the car, or replicate variables such has wind speed, direction, air pressure, ambient temp, brake fade, and track temp, to name a few, all are large factors in pushing a car without losing control.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Like I mentioned before, take it to the experts who applied the game's physics to real world applications (eg Formula D Champion Tanner Faust in his Drift 101 Video, WRC driver Sebastian Loeb who tutorials the WRC challenges, etc).
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator Like I mentioned before, take it to the experts who applied the game's physics to real world applications (eg Formula D Champion Tanner Faust in his Drift 101 Video, WRC and Lemans driver Sebastian Loeb who tutorials the WRC challenges and also nailed the Le Sarth track watch?v=-0G0_XFGlu4 , etc).
sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator Here's another one for you (focused on handling):
watch?v=shwgNV36xFA
sailorenlil 1 year ago
great review autoexpress!
foxhounduk2k8 1 year ago
it's a G T Ah!
greencase 1 year ago
try replaying at 3:12, ouhou!!!!!!!!!!!
bennv5909h 1 year ago
Here's what Kelley Bluebook says are the REAL(not MSRP) prices the average consumer is paying for these cars.
911 Turbo $133,750,
ZR1 $152,782,
GTR $85,880,
Viper SRT-10 $96,681
ROTFLMFAO, ZR1=EPIC FAIL.
Even the Spec-V would sell for less than the ZR1 if it were ever sold in the US becuase even a 370Z Nismo costs tons less in the US than in Japan.
Sal30 1 year ago
@Sal30 Where are you getting your numbers you bafoon 153 Grand for a Zr1?! Fully loaded it wont even go over 123. It starts at 103
thundercatsarekew 1 year ago
@Sal30 the new turbo s has a 0-60 in 3.1 in believe. Ridiculous!
TurtLePimpin 1 year ago
@TurtLePimpin 2.9 actually BEAST!!!!!
Tofuman924 1 year ago
damn this car is sick
would take it over an Evo for sure
Weslo2 1 year ago
why the fuck would they not do a spec video with out a fucking 6 speed car. u get way more torque nvm u can chirp gears and rip way faster then an automatic. that almost makes the vid mean nothing for the car. who would buy a sexy sport car like that anyway that wasnt 6 speed lmao FAIL
NormaJEAN2006 1 year ago
bye bye corvette zr1 heres your maker .better 0-60 better 1/4 times with 2 less cylinders..those fagots in corvette are now finally introducing a launch control version of the zr1..hmmm wonder why they ever thought of that..even with the launch they cant get power to the ground.haha
steven4rmnewyork 1 year ago 8
@steven4rmnewyork It's only RWD while the Nissan is 4WD, so ofcourse it is slower off the line.
vithaj92 8 months ago
@vithaj92 thats why gtr is better! Its fuckin faster
bsnismo88 7 months ago
@bsnismo88 But maybe not as exciting, rear wheel drive and a 3-pedal layout with all that power I would believe to be more freightening and also more exciting. But hats off to the Nissan anyway, they made a working mans car that gives you the allround speed of cars worth 5 times as much.
vithaj92 7 months ago
@vithaj92 i can agree with that.. but if youve got the money, there is no reason to not drop a six speed manual in there...and for the money your money be saving in comparison to buying a lexus lfa, an audi r8, ford gt500, porche, ferrari etc. you'll have plenty to spend.
bsnismo88 7 months ago
@bsnismo88 I never thought of it that way, but you're right :)
vithaj92 7 months ago
the Mitsubishi Evo used to be the car for me but this new Nissan is a world beater in everyway
maturerobph 1 year ago
This thing is gonna get its revenge on the ZR1 for sure.
rokusho7 1 year ago
the dream of all street racers
AVIV222 1 year ago
50K Brakes LOL..... thats probably with the Nissan "GTR TAX". You can order GM ZR1 rotors for 1600usd each. Made by brembo as well..
scribklu 1 year ago
Remember the SpecV has bigger turbos than the the Gtr. So with a mild tune, you could see 700hp easily. Better suspension, lighter wheels, lighter exhaust, and overall better package. Just wait till people start tuning this beast. Lights out zr1, gt2, lambos, ferraris, etc.
harrisonom 1 year ago
50 grand brake upgrade?????????? No chance in hell the ceramic upgrade is worth that much. Heck its no more than a 10 grand upgrade a 997 turbo!
superfast30 1 year ago
to those crying about the looks, get used to the rear because thats the only thing youre gonna see
ForTehNguyen 1 year ago 2
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of course it's no normal gtr it's an overpriced ugly nissan *throw up*
theuae11 1 year ago
I am sorry they took a car that was a phenomenal deal at $80,000 or so and made it a terrible deal at twice the price.
Considering the regular GT-R looks 99.99% the same as this car, can carry 4 people and has almost the same performance and handling, why would you buy this?
90% of the time you will just drive this to work or the club and then home anyway.
My buddy has a GT-R and he drive it to the hospital and home everyday, that's it.
venom5809 1 year ago
It still looks like a big DATSUN!
hondacar 1 year ago
awesome but zr1 still cheaper
604h22a 1 year ago
@604h22a but you pay for what you get.
Miike92 1 year ago
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So they've doubled the price of the original GT-R, to what? Match/slightly surpass the ZR1? And they did that without increasing horsepower? What a joke.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator you would think just adding horsepower would make it faster wouldnt you, typical american styled thinking about speed. truth is that the gtr has 180 less horsepower and can be quicker than the zr1. Thats just great ingenuity for Nissan
Miike92 1 year ago 3
@Miike92
Yeah, typical American way of thinking that increasing the power to weight ratio could possibly improve performance. So far what has Nissan done with the Spec-V? They've doubled the price, reduced the weight, and added 5 horsepower. That's great, but with that they've only MATCHED their competition, nearly doubled the price of their competition, and what? 160-170k for a car that performs less than slightly better than a ZR1? Pass.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Miike92
And wow, who would have thought that an AWD could be quicker from a dig than a RWD car. That's just absolutely fucking MINDBLOWING. Great ingenuity Nissan, proving something we've known for ages. On to other news, the GT-R still only matches the ZR1 for 60-70 grand more, and from a roll, the ZR1 will still blow it's doors off.
Yeah, typical way of American thinking- critically and logically. Don't you just fucking hate it?
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator hah yup
Miike92 1 year ago
@Tboninator horsepower isn't everything..it is not built just to go fast on straight line it has carbon ceramic brakes,carbon fibre body parts better dampers all to make it better through the corners and look what a diiference it makes!!it was slower than the ZR1 before and now it is faster with only 5 MORE horses!!!!
MrEmupunk 1 year ago 11
@MrEmupunk
That's fantastic. Best bang for the buck, 90k GT-R, 105k ZR1, or 165k GT-R Spec-V? ZR1 please and thank you. It looks better, sounds better, and I can guarantee you is a lot more fun to drive than that GT-R with all it's electronic nannies.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator I am not arguing with you on what car looks better or feels better....I am trying to prove to you that power isn't everything..power also plays a major role but handling and lightness are really more important.let me just put it in simple terms.which one would be the first to finish on a F1 racing track?a Rocketship or a car?the rocketship has a huge amount of power but it is completely USELESS because it is uncontrollable.
+ on a power track the GTR will be faster.
MrEmupunk 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk
Trying to prove something I already understand. They've doubled the price, lightened the car, and improved the brakes, which have only had a minor effect on performance. Power is the most important role when it comes to making it around most any track, because power can compensate for handling- not the other way around. The fact of the matter is, the GT-R Spec-V is only half assed for the price. They should have upgraded the power to give performance that justifies it's cost.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator But most of a track is not straight lines it is corners.For an example why couldnt the 1000BHp be fastest car in Top gear laptimes if power is the most important and why is the ariel atom faster than the ZR1 ?it has a honda engine??the atom was light and Grips much better it doesnt make a cloud of smoke very time you accelerate.I totally disagree with that power can compensate for handling.
MrEmupunk 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk
Power to weight ratio. I thought we just went over this? The Ariel Atom has 2 pounds for every horse, the ZR1 has a little over 5 pounds per horsepower- half the power to weight ratio. If you removed horsepower from the Ariel Atom to roughly equal the power to weight ratio of the ZR1, how much you wanna bet you would see very similar lap times?
Power can compensate for handling- not the other way around.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator The onlything the ZR1 has over the Spec V is 174 more torque and 153 more bhp also a 6.2 L to do what a GTR can do for less!!! If you wanna start comparing 638bhp to 485 how about you compare the ZR1 to the Noble M600 and the LP670 SV? Americans won't because the ZR1 can bearly beat a 1740kg 485bhp with 434 lb of torque thats pathetic!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
RWD vs AWD. The GTR has the advantage there, being able to put power to the ground more easily. Leave it to Americans to think critically and logically- you're unable to do that, apparently.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Yeah and you're too childish to put the car up against other cars in it's class because it will get it's nose wiped!!! AWD with 485bhp is still no match for a RWD 638bhp with 174lb of torque more get you're facts right first!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
RWD vs AWD fucktard. RWD vs AWD. RWD vs AWD. RWD vs AWD. An AWD cars have a lot more usable horsepower at slower speeds, meaning they can hammer down harder out of corners, meaning the RWD car needs more horsepower to make up for that disadvantage on the straights, or any mild stretch, which the ZR1 does, and even outdoes the GTR by quite a bit.
Like I said, you're embarrassing yourself.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator well thats zr1's fault and needs over 150 hp to compensate for it. Spec V is faster no doubt on a track including nurburgring
Miike92 1 year ago
@Tboninator Also America needs a 6.2L engine why? because they can't make a car with 3.8L it's just to high tech for them!!! And Gm had the option to make it AWD thats why the released the PTM 2010 ZR1 besically taking the GTR idea and putting it in the ZR1 hahaha!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
Because a 6.2L supercharged engine makes it's power lower in the RPM range than a twin turbo'd 3.8L 6 cylinder engine, which makes it's power in the higher RPM range, which is unusable for both cars. Chevy could have made a high winding runt of a motor, but why? They get more power and better gas mileage with that 6.2L than Nissan does with their TT 3.8. Seriously, you're just embarrassing yourself now, and an AWD Corvette? Yeah, they could have but then it wouldn't be a Corvette.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator It makes it power lower in the RPM because it's push rod not OHC, meaning even a 7 year old SLR can beat the ZR1 to 305km in 30sec and the ZR1 300km in 32sec but you're still comparing as less powered less torque 2 cylinders less 225KG more no CF brakes and body panels and 32K cheaper than the 3ZR and you're still trying to compare the 2 hahahaha pure desperation!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
No, cam placement has nothing to do with it- you could have dual overhead cam, single over head cam, or you could have overhead valve (cam in block with pushrods), and you could still make the same power/powerband. It has to do with the size and it's stroke.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Cams have everything to do with it!!! The respond better in the higher RPM range goo look it up fact!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
No, it doesn't have anything to do with it- it's simply placement and efficiency. Overhead cam allows for the use of more than 2 valves per cylinder- that's about it, other than it supposedly using less horsepower.
Bottom line facts: 6.2 supercharged pushrod V8 makes more power throughout it's powerband and has better fuel economy than Nissan's 3.8L TT dual overhead cam V6.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator oh sorry so my stock 2000 Renault Laguna DOHC cam 4 cylinder with 4 valves per cylinder don't exsist them hahahaha!!! oh go look up you're tech please!!! ohc improve how a car breaths better nothing to do with the bore and strock of the engine yes thats part of it but it's how the car can breath how the mixture of fuel and air is mixed how it is forced into the cylinders by the intakes is
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
For your sake, try reading my posts- it will lead to a lot less embarrassment on your behalf, as I already addressed valves, cylinders, and overhead cams.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Embarress hahaha you havent even replyed with an answer!!! go look up you're stuff!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
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sailorenlil 1 year ago
@Tboninator Better gas hahahahaha what a joke maybe on you're cheap iraq invaded prices but in the real world a GTR mpg is much higher 19mpg ZR1 GTR 23mpg I don't call that better!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@Tboninator Cond...A track mostly has corners more than straights.better handling cars can brake later,turn tighter and come to power earlier and that makes a big difference to the time.+ on a track straights arent that long to unleash lets say in this case all the 638 horsepowers.anything above 400 is enough is it is lighter and better through the corners.enough said
MrEmupunk 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk
Like I said, "power is the most important role when it comes to making it around most any track"... If the track is nothing but corners, there is no way to get on the gas for any substantial amount of time, so yes, handling would win that battle, but most tracks don't just consist of corners, and have stretches, not necessarily straights, where you can get on the gas and make up for lost time in the corners.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk
And to further elaborate, handling cannot make up for power, because in order to go through the corners with any speed, you have to have the power to get it there in the first place, so it all comes down to the same simple fact:
Nissan doubled the price while only reducing the weight and upgrading the brakes (which don't cost nearly as much as the video claims) and suspension. There's no more horsepower, so that platform isn't being pushed.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator I agree with you about GTR spec v being way overpriced.you're better off with ferrari or some other brand at that price level.I would never(if I had the money)spend 160k on a datsun.
huh.I guess this not going to end so I am going to make it fair by saying that we both are correct.you both need power AND handling and lightness to go fast.fair?
MrEmupunk 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk
"need power AND handling and lightness to go fast(er)"
What I've been saying all along. ;)
Tboninator 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk They need that bhp just to compare it with the GTR!!! Look at the Z06 more bhp more torque less weight (300KG) 2 more cylinders and the GTR kills it on every track!!! And can match it in the straights too...
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
I'm comparing a 6.2L supercharged V8 that makes more power, LOWER in the powerband, *AND* gets better fuel economy than a 3.8L twin turbo V6. What are you arguing? That Japan is more high tech because they can make less power out of a smaller motor and somehow manage to get worse fuel economy? What an achievement, bro.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator It's all to do with better breathing on the intakes!!! they can react quicker than a push rod!!! As the Push rods will have onger rocker arms and soo!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
Reaction time isn't an issue, it's the horsepower required to operated it- if you knew anything about motors, you would know that. Then again, I'm arguing with someone who likely hasn't even changed his own oil, let alone built motors like myself.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
Breathing on the intakes? There's only one intake manifold, and it depends on the motor whether or not it has multiple intake valves. Like I said, overhead cam allows the use of more valves, which would mean more "breathing" depending on what they put in there- 1 intake, 2 exhaust; 1 intake, 1 exhaust; 2 intake, 1 exhaust; 2 intake, 2 exhaust, etc, etc.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator how it works how the fuck do you think Supercharges make more bhp? yes by compressing the air tighter and faster FACT!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
Why the fuck are you talking about superchargers now? That hasn't been a talking point at all throughout this entire discussion, but if you want to bring it up, the supercharger makes it's boost, and provides horsepower the second you hit the pedal- no lag like those twin turbos, that take time to spool up to make it's peak, lesser horsepower.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator Was ment to say turbos but forgot but Turbos force in the air faster the same as superchargers yet again go look it up!!!
sw1000xg 1 year ago
@sw1000xg
Look what up? You're telling me to go look shit up that I already know, that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Get on fucking topic, or shut up.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator What an achievement ? LOL fail right there my friend. Why are you saying that the Corvette ZR1 has better fuel economy while it actually have WORSE fuel economy(according to GM and Nissan website)
maxou5757 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk ZR1 look so crap...
spid34 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk can u imagine how fucking fat a gtr woud be if it had 600hp it would shit on a veryon so bad on the top gear test track
dojOdRiFTeR 1 year ago
@MrEmupunk
american way to fix economy: throw money at it
american way to improve cars: stick bigger engine in there
NIGHTMAREuki 1 year ago
Since the GTR Spec-V is about technology, I appreciate the car for one main reason:
- Nissan didn't strip down the interior completely to gain what they want
WorldofLuxury 1 year ago 2
The GTR official track record at the Nordschleife is actuallyy 7:26.70. It's by the same driver (Toshio Suzuki) who did the 7:29 and the 7:38 previously.
myke6699 1 year ago
Spec V is the best!
aaronleang 1 year ago 4
well done.... Auto Express.... and so is The Nissan Spec V GTR.....
koukiR32 1 year ago 14