Have you heard this one? Flu vaccinations are to become compulsory in the US? I've also heard that the vaccine contains sterility agents designed to control population growth, sounds way out I know! But I wouldn't put anything past those bastards who killed their own people on 9/11/2001!
While I'm on that topic, have you heard the Obama "Yes We Can" speech played backwards? If not, search for it on You Tube!
But then that should tell you something, bit like me being a mechanic and saying your car is this and that and really bad to drive, and sort of hinting about the cars I got for sale on my lot, tee hee.
I'll do everything to say your car is bad and hint that you must trade it in for a new one from me.
Being a little more aware about germs in public never hurt anyone. That's really what thunderf00t was pointing out. That yes this could become a big deal, right now it's just important that you do what you can to prevent catching it when you're in public.
I agree that swine flu really has only killed the old or the young. The reason its a big deal is because its an unknown disease, and it is unknown if it will mutate. So nope, not a big deal right now, but a good idea to keep an eye on it should it mutate into something deadly.
I just got back from the American Thoracic Society annual meeting. There was a special session on swine flu that you couldn't get into because the room was packed to overflowing.
We don't know yet whether this will be another 1919 (30 million dead) or another 1978 (when there was another swine flu scare that came to nothing).
But I can assure you that the health professionals in this field are taking it very, very seriously.
I've heard the swine flu was no worse than regular flu. We must remember that this came from Mexico. And Mexico doesn't have the best health care system.
u are wrong, this virus is killing young healthy people which is what happened in the 1918 flu.
The new Swine flu is a combination of Avian, 2 types of human flu and swine flu. Its almost exactly like the 1918 virus which killed millions. Scientists actually used tissue from world war 1 victims and recreated the 1918 flu
It appears it has broken out of labs. Its man made - theres no way these 4 flus can combine naturally
interesting u recall SARS! i'd say u'r the only one beside myself referring to that at this moment. (remember the West Nile Virus in 2000? or the Mad Cow Disease of the `90s? or last year they killed so many chickens around the world?) why do we get these horrible diseases spreading around almost every year? well, medicine companies and some related dudes have to make huge amounts of money to pay for certain expenses they have! (btw, weren't we washing our hands many times a day already?)
Wouldn't it be better NOT to try to contain the virus at this stage and let it spread wile it's mild. Then by winter when the virus is more aggressive, a lot of people would have built up an immunity to it.
i'd second LGreener25 on his/her idea in here but will certain guys who profit by selling mega amounts of medicine internationally will agree with that too?
No. Two points. First, even a "mild" flu is pretty darned serious. We're talking vomiting, diarrhea, overall just feeling horrible for a week or more, and then fatigue for weeks after that. I don't see why anybody would want this. And, given that most flu deaths don't happen for a few weeks, we don't yet know what the death rate is (though one current estimate puts it at about four times your typical seasonal flu).
The people who caught swine flu in England said their symptoms were more like a cold than the flu. They said they felt completely better after a few days.
Some small number, perhaps. The reactions to flu tend to vary wildly. Many people don't even notice they are infected at all. And yet others are so seriously ill that they are hospitalized.
From everything I've been reading, this flu appears to be significantly more serious than your typical seasonal flu, and should not be taken lightly.
I agree - I think a lot of people think this is just media hype but by winter there will probably be a massive increase in people being infected. And we don't have any immunity to it as it's a new strain of influenza that we haven't been exposed to before.
Which is what vaccines are for. Hopefully we'll have one by then. And by the way, the flu season should just be starting in the Southern hemisphere, so that will tell us quite a lot about this flu's behavior.
If 9 out of 10 pandemics are mild (SARS) but 1 out of 10 are deadly and millions die, and you don't know what will happen with Swine Flu, then this huge potential IS the big news story, not the small number of cases so far.
I agree, its probably blew way out of proportion, but what makes this virus so unique is that there's no shot for it and it attack kids in the 13-16 range unlike the flu which attacks kids under 6. That age group is allot bigger then kids under six giving it a more deadly potential.
The one thing you do not understand is that every disease or outbreak is differerent just because there is another outbreak of a new disease or virus doesn't mean we need to ignore it because it MAY be nothing. Right now Swine flu is acting exactly like the Spanish flu which roughly killed 20-50 million in around 1918. The Spanish flu started in spring, disappeared/died down in summer and then in fall it started to kill with a more aggressive mutation.
It may seem like its blown out of proportion, but the difference between 10 deaths and 30 million could be one or two mutations. We can't predict if that will happen. Even if this is a false alarm, it doesn't hurt to be prepared for a pandemic, especially when you consider the miniscule amount of money we spend on it.
Well, this is a...well old virus. This isnt the first case/breakout. It's not THAT deadly... it killed SOME people in MEXICO, they have SHITTY healthcare! So, no duh THEY died, but WE'RE gonna be fine!
Thunderf00t has already elaborated on this issue. If a major outbreak does occur that is extremely lethal, we're all fucked, because there is no "proper" plan in place.
they are inevitably leading up to a zombie outbreak i can see it now... WE SHOULD TAKE THIS SHIT SERIOUS GUYS LOCK DOWN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY NO ZOMBAYS BE INFECTING MAH COUNTRY IM WASHING MAH HANDS SO I DONT GET THE ZOMBIE FLU DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
heh I see comments saying they are just crying wolf. but remember... at the end of the story the wolf does come. at the risk of a pandemic that could kill, soap and water isn't too much to ask. TF is promoting hygiene protocols like washing your hands, his not asking you to wear gas masks.
Anyway this Swine Flu episode- word on the street has it- its just a practice run, a rehearsal, for something big coming- hope they are wrong of course.
So you are saying instead of aggressively informing the public, installing measures at airports etc. to quarantine every suspected case, SARS should have been let run its course? Is SARS only credible when it runs through the whole population and kills not 775 but a few million people?
BTW. Despite all the media coverage you seem to have missed the fact that "the Mexican fatalities are alleged to be mainly young adults of 25 to 45, a common trait of pandemic flu." according to Wikipedia.
Yeah, and those are the people who die of the NORMAL flu to begin with, along with the people in fuckin' Africa who don't even have the resources like we do, and die regardless.
Well, the list of "fad pandemics" as I call them keeps getting bigger with each year. It's not just SARS and Swine Flu, but also Avian Flu, Chronic Wasting Disease, Encephalitis, Meningitis, Mad Cow Disease, etc. It seems to me that every year or so the media finds some new obscure disease to freak out over, and within several months' time, it's forgotten with little or no followup, which has led me to ignore the "problem" altogether. For me, they're simply crying wolf. =/
Tf00t released a new video today where he responded to a similar argument made by Ron Paul. He said that just because we have had similar incidents before with no real devastating outcomes doesn't mean that it will always transpire that way. He equated it to playing Russian roulette, "just because you span the barrel once, pulled the trigger and nothing happened doesn't mean that it's safe to pull the trigger." Hope that helped.
Sharpezor lol, Quote "Get off youtube and go back to highschool biology. You don't know shit about pandemics. " Sorry for the confusion i usually use the term Jebus quite often.
the main problem is if this is liek the spanish flu epidemic it will the health young adults with good immune systems. I think Tf00ts video is more a point that more could be done for prevention in the early stages.
While there has been some human-to-human spread of H5N1 (Bird Flu), it has been limited, inefficient and unsustained.
All influenza viruses evolve. If the H5N1 virus were to gain the capacity to spread easily from person to person, another influenza pandemic could begin.
The media is blowing it out of proportion its pretty much what they do. But just because the media is exploiting the situation dosen't mean its not a legitimate threat. The news is pretty much the boy who cried wolf.
SARS was an epic near miss. SARS could have easily been worse than 1918 if not contained. At least you could check wikipedia before making a response video.
sars has a very low fatality rate, ordinary flu is far worse than sars in that respect. the reason sars is/was a joke, is because it didnt do anything, it wasn't painful or fatl, it was a non-illness, nothing to do with containment
Well we had a SARS outbreak in Canada. The recorded fatality rate was 17%. Hong Kong was also 17%; China less but probably underreported. Morbidity rates were high and the virus was very contagious. So contagious that many nurses in the isolation wards contracted the disease and died despite precautions.
Just would like to point out a mistake in the video. The virus A (H1N1) supposedly causes hypercytokinemia in the body. Which means that those who have very active immune systems are effected the most. As seen in the 1918 pandemic many of the dead were younger healthy adults.
What makes the swine flu different from any other flu has to do with the mortality rate. Currently that is estimated to be 10% with the swine flu. SARS was much higher at about 40% if I remember correctly. But the fatality rate of a normal flu is .1%. So I think we should be concerned but not panic. But not dismissive either.
"H1N1 doesn't just infect the young and old it is infecting HEALTHY ADULTS."
Listen carefully to what she says.
All you seemed to have heard is "people who generally contract this disease... tend to be really old people, or um, really young people"
She specifically stipulates "and affects them in a fatal way" which means shes not in any way suggesting H1N1 doesn't infect healthy adults, she is suggesting it's not likely to be fatal to them, much like SARS.
"She specifically stipulates "and affects them in a fatal way" which means shes not in any way suggesting H1N1 doesn't infect healthy adults, she is suggesting it's not likely to be fatal to them, much like SARS."
And she's completely wrong. Why does she even think her opinion is correct and the opinion of doctors is wrong?
H1N1 appears to be much like Spanish Influenza, in which those with more active immune systems are affected the worst. Those people are Young Adults.
Interesting then that the medical professionals in Canada keep identifying the elderly (50+) the very young (6 and under) and people of any age who have a history of susceptibility to some of the serious complications that can occur with the flu like blood infections or pneumonia, or are suffering from previous existing respiratory or cardiovascular conditions (IE not "healthy adults") as being the high risk groups for potentially fatal complications.
"Interesting then that the medical professionals in Canada..."
Then Canada needs to pull their heads out of their asses and listen to the World Health Organization.
Viruses like this strain of swine flu, kill their host by over-stimulating active immune systems that are robust and healthy. That is why the victims in Mexico were between the ages of 20 and 45.
I don't make this shit up, it's coming straight from WHO and the CDC.
Interim Guidance for Clinicians on Identifying and Caring for Patients with Swine-origin Influenza A (H1N1) Virus Infection
CDC, April 29th 2009.
"Groups at high risk for complications
There are insufficient data available at this point to determine who is at higher risk for complications of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection.
At this time, the same age and risk groups who are at higher risk for seasonal influenza complications should also beconsidered at higher risk for swine-origin influenza complications .
Groups at higher risk for seasonal influenza complications include: * Children less than 5 years old; * Persons aged 50 years or older;
* Children and adolescents (aged 6 months18 years) who are receiving long-term aspirin therapy and who might be at risk for experiencing Reye syndrome after influenza virus infection; * Pregnant women; * Adults and children who have chronic pulmonary, cardiovascular, hepatic, hematological, neurologic, neuromuscular, or metabolic disorders; * Adults and children who have immunosuppression (including immunosuppression caused by medications or by HIV);
* Residents of nursing homes and other chronic-care facilities."
Seems it must also be your opinion now that the CDC "need to pull their heads out of their asses" as they have failed to include a bulletpoint for "otherwise healthy adults aged 18-49" or the like.
So now it's your turn to do a simple fact check. Find me a WHO document that specifically identifies otherwise healthy adults aged 18-49 as a high risk group or accept that you are quoting unsubstantiated speculation as being fact
Thank you for the link, I have reviewed the transcript contained within.
I as unsure however as to the specific reason you provided it.
Since it does not make mention of healthy adults aged 18-24 (or another appropriate wording) being a high risk age group I am guessing it was not intended as a rebuttal but rather as additional information that people should be aware of.
Was that the intent of the comment?
Thank you by the way for showing me how to post links properly :)
if i remember well, the link mentions a median age of 16. doesnt really support one case or the other. we would have to wait for more (unfortunate) cases to occur, to draw more precise trends. in principle, the info was indeed intended as additional information...
on the links; YT doesnt like links being posted. using "dots" in brackets produces relief. one can also use commas instead of dots. however, sometimes unwanted empty spaces are added into the whole string, especially when its rather a long one. "tinyurl" helps there, one only has to deal with the one remaining "dot"...
Its true that swine flu is relatively mild as far as viruses go. It has a mortality rate of about 3% across the board. Ebola virus is more like 99%. But it is very very infectious. In 1918 Spanish flu infected 50% of the worlds population.. 50%! and killed up to 100 million people. So if we were generous and assume swine flu infected 25% of the worlds population and killed 3% of those. thats nearly 50 million people dead. Thats about the population of the UK. overreacting?
My pet pig misses the hot sweet screw job I used to do to it. I've had to stop screwing my pet monkey because of AIDS, now I can't screw my pet pig!!!
The media back in the SARS outbreak said it was gonna mutate and kill us all. They've been waiting on bird flu to mutate and kill us all. Now we have manbirdpig flu (since it has genes from those three types). Yes it's overblown, but the media has been waiting for this. I'm in PA and its hit every state around us save for NJ, but I'm not exactly worried about it. I have a super immune system, and I've never taken anything stronger than amoxicillian, so I'll be fine.
"have a super immune system, and I've never taken anything stronger than amoxicillian, so I'll be fine. "
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The part of the immune system that deals with things that antibiotics kill is very, very different that the part that deals with viruses. This means you're not necessarily any better off than anyone else.
Doctors in the U.S. alone killed over 600 people yesterday. That's 600 people that would be alive today if they hadn't seen a doctor yesterday. More than 5,000 people in the world died yesterday from malaria. In the U.S. alone more than 700 people will die in automobile accidents within the next hour. It's good to be cautious of potential threats. But, keep things in perspective. Hysteria only does damage.
Telling people to be cautious (washing hands and wearing masks, etc.) can't be a bad thing... even if it turns out to be an unnecessary thing after the fact. So I'd have to disagree with you on this one.
Just so long as people aren't running around like panicked idiots (which they're not) I think the warnings and precautions are perfectly justified.
5 years ago i would agree with you... but knowing what i know about government secrets.. i think this is a government beta test on their new viral infections... is this the big one. (human depopulation)
Dont believe me? lol u dont have to.. but u can RESEARCH online... but.. you will never do it.. so im lying.. and the government loves you :D
Not one mention in the media about the concern for the poor little creatures. There tummys could be hurting and they could be running a fever with mucus. It's all about these overpopulating humans. What the planet needs is a good supervirus. Then we can return to paradise!!! LOL!!!
The big problem in the public discourse is that there is so little room for the calm, middle-of-the-road views. Either people go totally overboard and predicts the end of the world. Or they condescendingly call it all a big hoax and tell people not to worry at all.
Personally, I'm going to take it easy, listen to the factual advice from trustworthy experts and public health institutions, and generally just go on with my life as usual.
In sydney there was a water contamination scare in 1999. The news media called it "Australia's worst ever health crisis". How many people died from it?
I agree with you - but I do think to a degree it's something we should worry about. People need to take precaution - but I don't think scaring the piss out of people is the best way to do it.
Or who knows, maybe it is as serious as the media makes it out to be - and if that's the case they need to learn to stop crying wolf when it comes to everything else.
Toronto Canada 2003 - SARS outbreak = 17% fatality rate for a total of 44 dead. The WHO was prepared to write off asia, letting millions die to attempt to isolate the outbreak. Luckily the Chinese got it under control. The media SHOULD have been scaring the hell out of everybody!
i live in texas. my mother works in a children's hospital. i talked to her today and she told me the emergency room was like 'a scene from a science fiction movie' and completely overrun with sick kids.
while i personally don't know anyone who is sick as of yet, that doesn't mean this isin't serious. im not sure if the end of your video was meant to mock the media for overreacting, but from what i can tell, this is real. who knows though, my thoughts are speculative, as are yours.
Correction: Several of the dead have been in their 20s and 30s. It *isn't* something that's just killed the very old or the very young.
Also, it is my belief that the *reason* SARS wasn't that big a deal is *because* people totally overreacted.
Same with swine flu. If everyone freaks out and goes to the hospital and gets checked and there are quarantines, then swine flu won't be the problem it could be. If they blow it off, like you are, then it just might become a pandemic.
this kinda hard to listen to you with that cute super mario brothers on the wall, lol
yes its another scare tactic not to say it isnt real threat, but fox news and other wiedos are already blameing the president "see this what happens u vote a black anti-christs" god i hate stupid ppl and fox news
The only people who need to worry I think are people who are older, or real young, or people like myself who have really bad immune systems due to health issues. Best thing to do is just stay away from people who are visibly ill.
I totally agree with you.. This swine flu thing has really become ridiculous! The media have lost their minds over it and the public, like the naive little sheep they can be, buy it hook, line and sinker.
The media sensationalized and exaggerated 9/11, too. That doesn't mean it wasn't real. However, if there truly is a serious, deadly epidemic, and one is traveling to the infected area, there really isn't a whole lot you can do.
Mexico is reacting pretty seriously to it though. The schools, bars and clubs are all closed until May 6th, and the border had a "Nobody comes in, nobody comes out" policy until recently.
I think the media has gone overboard with it - as with any story. But, telling people to wash their hands,etc is good advice. Even regular flu is a bitch, so trying to avoid it is a good thing. Also, keep in mind that this thing may die down, only to rise again around winter time.
I totally agree. I remember saying the same thing about SARS, because 10's of thousands of people die every year from the normal run-of-the-mill flu.
I think the fact that it's a *new* virus to humans, which potentially can be devastating is the reason. In Mexico they said at first the deaths were the healthy young adults, not the young and the old, just like the infamous 1918 flu.
Over here people seem to be reporting mild symptoms! Hardly any reason for panic, esp with Tamiflu being effective
Hmmm a lot of people may be overreacting. I am not worried about the swine flu. That being said I am a little worried that even if the swine flu isn't anything the next big flu could be huge and we are all like hey you rember sars, do you remeber the swine flu. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf. So we should take things a little serious.
Hey healthy, ur right not to trust the media hype. Instead I would recommend listening the WHO and other organisations that actually don't hype everything up :P
the WHO has TODAY announced STAGE 5 which means it has reached pandemic status.
Unlike Sars which had around 8.5k cases over one and a bit years, this swine flu has a reported 3.5k in under a month. Granted these are mostly suspected, but this shouldn't be taken lightly.
also.. this affects the 15-45 range more strongly. not viceversa
Hi Healthy, the fault I find in your point is that just because last virus was not serious does not mean this virus is not the big one. It reminds me of my years in New Orleans, it was easy to get complacent because the Hurricains before Katrina were sometimes blown out of proportion.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't take precaution at all.
I just feel like the media is going absolutely bat-shit insane here. It's scaring the shit out of some people I know - then on the other hand, there are far more people I know who are just completely ignoring it, and not going to take any precaution. =/
You, healthyaddict, are in denial. Swine flu will kill us all. We shall succumb to a horrible, wasting death at the hands of this unrestrained, vengeful and vindictive virus. You shall rue the day you made light of this horrible pandemic laying waste to the world. Wait a second - what do I sound like here? I'm thinking I sound kind of like a religious nut.
I guess you might be right, healthyaddict.
Wash thy hands and attend CNN regularly, lest you be damned to swine flu.
50 million died from the spanish flu so it could be a big deal.Most of the deaths were young adults. LIKE YOU !!! Then a gain I remember swine flu outbreaks before and it fizzled out. Better safe than sorry though. Washing my hands won't hurt. That mask you have is for dust only. It won't work with a virus. It's to porous.
No, they aren't These "overreactions" is what keeps these things from becoming another spanish flu in the first place. We cannot afford to just react when things like this happen. We have to be proactive and take steps to prevent it from getting as bad as it can.
You and the poster of this video need to stop being a part of the problem.
You, my friend, are the problem. You come on here freaking out about swine flu, and I'm guessing you probably had a heart attack when SARS came out. Or was it the avian flu? Or was it West Nile disease? You probably thought the world was out of oranges when California had that freeze two years ago. Gullible, la te dah.
"No, they aren't These "overreactions" is what keeps these things from becoming another spanish flu in the first place. We cannot afford to just react when things like this happen."
are you retarded?
the under reacting, reacting and over reacting.
it's quite simple as to what each means.
under is under or not enough, over is too much and reacting is what everyone should do.
purv, I didn't have a heart attack over anything. And frankly, I wouldn't call what Thunderf00t said in his video having a heart attack about anything either. Knowing what could happen in the worst case scenario and giving people some tips to help prevent that is NOT having a "heart attack".
norton, you missed the point completey (and the 'retard' remark was WAY beyond out of line), instead getting hung up on a semantics argument about the word "react." And of course we should always react in some fashion, and I never once said we shouldn't. What I was saying was that we can't afford to be proactive when it comes to situations like this.
People like you and purv have this tendency to label people being proactive as "overreacting" and THAT is where you ARE part of the problem.
actually the reason why they treat it so much different from seasonal flu is because in 1918 the same strain killed a 100 million people and then again in 1960 something cilled i think a few thousand not sure on my numbers. but this perticular flu virus is the nasty one that makes it so your immune system over reacts and you die from the secondary infection but that is why they are taking the swine flu so serious.
yeah I lived through SARS here in Toronto. People can be overreacting. The Big difference with Swine Flu is that it does attack Young Healthy Adults, as apposed to the very young or very old.Using masks & rubber gloves for a regular person is silly, I was a cashier during SARS & would see people come in wearing a grubby mask they had been using for days-sorry folks your mask now has more germs than the air or rubbing their noses with their gloved hand-more germs on the glove!
I guess I'm more paranoid than I would have been otherwise, I was extremely sick with a horrible fever for about two weeks this month. I didn't have a flu though.
I actually agree with you on this issue, especially the way the media, like you said blows things out of proportion in trying to scare people. It's also interesting that the way the media does a great job in instilling fear in the masses as a form of control in my opinion.
Thanks for pointing that out, Healthyaddict. I thought everyone forgot about SARS and bird flu. Seems like every year one of these colds gets media attention for no reason.
The swine flu is something that we should observe and take basic precautions against....until it mutates into the zombie virus and then we're all screwed.
I'm not an expert, but from what I heard flu kills mostly young adults. The cause of death is fever, and fever is one of the body's immune mechanisms. So basically the harder your organism tries to neutralize a threat, the more likely you are to die. The attack is usually sudden, but if you make it through first few days you will probably survive.
No the potential if it spreads is great. The fact that countries are so alert i.e. lots of people being checked when they're coming back from Mexico is stopping it getting worse. The WHO seems to rate it pretty highly, so that's cause for concern regardless of the media. Also, it is killing young, healthy people, which is exactly why everyone's so worried.
Thunderf00t is definitely not overreacting, he just tried to shed some light on the matter and offer some good advice. If I'm not mistaken he even says the media blew the whole thing out of proportion.
I wonder if the people who died until now would have thought he exaggerated too...
SARS was not blown out of proportion -- it was serious. Our (panicked) reaction helped everyone get just paranoid enough that we contained it. So it had a lesser effect than it could have.
They've caught the swine flu early enough, and hopefully the scary headlines will help us contain it again.
Like any kind of viral outbreak it can have exponential transmission if we do nothing. In cases like these complacency is our enemy. If we panic & the virus goes away that should be considered success.
True, but everybody's been making a mountain out of a mole-hill with this. They're thinking, "OMG Stephen King was right!" Please. Yes we need to react for the sake of overreacting to keep it from getting worse than it is now, but I think the only reason WHO is reacting like they are with the alert level is because Europe is threatened. Did they react like this when we had the SARS thing? I don't recall that they did, since it only affected Asia and Toronto.
Now wait one second! The SARS thing was handled differently because *CHINA* did a *VERY* poor job of communicating the initial outbreak conditions. So we reacted too late, but it was a reasonably containable outbreak.
This one is worse, but also Mexico has handled the initial reporting, containment and reaction extremely well. (They definitely should be commended.)
The two don't compare exactly -- the devil is in the details.
Everyone knows Pandemics will come some day. It's only matter of time. It's serious bussiness, millions will die. It may be Swine flu or the next one.
The 1918 pandemic killed many young adults - so that puts you right in the firing line. Us middle aged peeps are sitting pretty for both that type and the regular flu, which hits babies and oldies :)
yeah, all the doctors I've seen on tv were like "yeah, if you have flu symptoms just wait a couple of day to get it checked", that doesn't sound like such an emergency (of course they were all sitting next to a journalist that was completely freaking out)
Well in China the people were not worried because:
1° The government owns the Tv & they just put positive news. The news about SARS would be: 2 old guys, about 100 years old, died of this terrible virus!
2° The Chinese government sells organs of the people they have in jail, sells bodies like in the famous exhibition, do they really care if someone dies of a flu?
Western media instead just make a scare out of proportion on everything they can find, cause they cannot do real journalism!
I think it's going the same way SARS went. While I think it's understandable to take preventive measures, diseases in this country just don't spread as fast as they used to.
Your father was basing the danger of SARS by how the locals felt. That doesnt seem very scientific. There were people on the Gulf Coast that didnt feel concerned about Katrina either. Hind sight is only beneficial if you survive. May
Have you heard this one? Flu vaccinations are to become compulsory in the US? I've also heard that the vaccine contains sterility agents designed to control population growth, sounds way out I know! But I wouldn't put anything past those bastards who killed their own people on 9/11/2001!
While I'm on that topic, have you heard the Obama "Yes We Can" speech played backwards? If not, search for it on You Tube!
kryckeestrooff 2 years ago
Im having this. It was a little bit of heat, like two days and after that very much fatigue. I just sleep more.
Brelephant 2 years ago
lolz SARS sounds like from a space kinda virus
sk8rguy4life1123 2 years ago
But then that should tell you something, bit like me being a mechanic and saying your car is this and that and really bad to drive, and sort of hinting about the cars I got for sale on my lot, tee hee.
I'll do everything to say your car is bad and hint that you must trade it in for a new one from me.
You get the picture.
RadioTrunews 2 years ago
Being a little more aware about germs in public never hurt anyone. That's really what thunderf00t was pointing out. That yes this could become a big deal, right now it's just important that you do what you can to prevent catching it when you're in public.
tubajedimaster 2 years ago
Nice wall!
I'd discuss what I know, but I'd guess you've probably heard it all.
ChozoBoy 2 years ago
I agree that swine flu really has only killed the old or the young. The reason its a big deal is because its an unknown disease, and it is unknown if it will mutate. So nope, not a big deal right now, but a good idea to keep an eye on it should it mutate into something deadly.
peteheatb3 2 years ago 4
I just got back from the American Thoracic Society annual meeting. There was a special session on swine flu that you couldn't get into because the room was packed to overflowing.
We don't know yet whether this will be another 1919 (30 million dead) or another 1978 (when there was another swine flu scare that came to nothing).
But I can assure you that the health professionals in this field are taking it very, very seriously.
middlekk 2 years ago 2
Media is likely blowing it entirely out of the water, but there is a real health risk to the swine flu. Very unlikely but it could get alot worse.
Kamidake83 2 years ago 4
A few hundred people have swine flu and everyone wants a mask....millions diagnosed as HIV positive and how many people practice safe sex..condoms?
REDFTW 2 years ago 2
er, most people?
DragonRomer 2 years ago
I've heard the swine flu was no worse than regular flu. We must remember that this came from Mexico. And Mexico doesn't have the best health care system.
PrincessKLS 2 years ago
America also doesn't have the best health care system compared to the European Union !
patrick25w 2 years ago
u are wrong, this virus is killing young healthy people which is what happened in the 1918 flu.
The new Swine flu is a combination of Avian, 2 types of human flu and swine flu. Its almost exactly like the 1918 virus which killed millions. Scientists actually used tissue from world war 1 victims and recreated the 1918 flu
It appears it has broken out of labs. Its man made - theres no way these 4 flus can combine naturally
Get your facts straight and do some real reseach
dodoshlodo 2 years ago
u are an idiot
do some research on the spanish flu
dodoshlodo 2 years ago
interesting u recall SARS! i'd say u'r the only one beside myself referring to that at this moment. (remember the West Nile Virus in 2000? or the Mad Cow Disease of the `90s? or last year they killed so many chickens around the world?) why do we get these horrible diseases spreading around almost every year? well, medicine companies and some related dudes have to make huge amounts of money to pay for certain expenses they have! (btw, weren't we washing our hands many times a day already?)
dadautube 2 years ago
Wouldn't it be better NOT to try to contain the virus at this stage and let it spread wile it's mild. Then by winter when the virus is more aggressive, a lot of people would have built up an immunity to it.
LGreener25 2 years ago
i'd second LGreener25 on his/her idea in here but will certain guys who profit by selling mega amounts of medicine internationally will agree with that too?
dadautube 2 years ago
No. Two points. First, even a "mild" flu is pretty darned serious. We're talking vomiting, diarrhea, overall just feeling horrible for a week or more, and then fatigue for weeks after that. I don't see why anybody would want this. And, given that most flu deaths don't happen for a few weeks, we don't yet know what the death rate is (though one current estimate puts it at about four times your typical seasonal flu).
Secondly, we may have a vaccine by this winter.
jasonalandick 2 years ago
The people who caught swine flu in England said their symptoms were more like a cold than the flu. They said they felt completely better after a few days.
LGreener25 2 years ago
Some small number, perhaps. The reactions to flu tend to vary wildly. Many people don't even notice they are infected at all. And yet others are so seriously ill that they are hospitalized.
From everything I've been reading, this flu appears to be significantly more serious than your typical seasonal flu, and should not be taken lightly.
jasonalandick 2 years ago 2
I agree - I think a lot of people think this is just media hype but by winter there will probably be a massive increase in people being infected. And we don't have any immunity to it as it's a new strain of influenza that we haven't been exposed to before.
LGreener25 2 years ago
Which is what vaccines are for. Hopefully we'll have one by then. And by the way, the flu season should just be starting in the Southern hemisphere, so that will tell us quite a lot about this flu's behavior.
jasonalandick 2 years ago 2
If 9 out of 10 pandemics are mild (SARS) but 1 out of 10 are deadly and millions die, and you don't know what will happen with Swine Flu, then this huge potential IS the big news story, not the small number of cases so far.
murphymagick 2 years ago
Listen to the Scientists, not the mainstream media.
dreamdewil 2 years ago 2
I agree, its probably blew way out of proportion, but what makes this virus so unique is that there's no shot for it and it attack kids in the 13-16 range unlike the flu which attacks kids under 6. That age group is allot bigger then kids under six giving it a more deadly potential.
ettium 2 years ago 2
The one thing you do not understand is that every disease or outbreak is differerent just because there is another outbreak of a new disease or virus doesn't mean we need to ignore it because it MAY be nothing. Right now Swine flu is acting exactly like the Spanish flu which roughly killed 20-50 million in around 1918. The Spanish flu started in spring, disappeared/died down in summer and then in fall it started to kill with a more aggressive mutation.
ZerozPk 2 years ago 2
The swine flu is the spanish flu both are H1N1
VoteNixon2008 2 years ago
"i sent you a letter on youtube"COMMENT!!!
the media is retarded.
t0d51 2 years ago
It may seem like its blown out of proportion, but the difference between 10 deaths and 30 million could be one or two mutations. We can't predict if that will happen. Even if this is a false alarm, it doesn't hurt to be prepared for a pandemic, especially when you consider the miniscule amount of money we spend on it.
facelessone86 2 years ago
Well, this is a...well old virus. This isnt the first case/breakout. It's not THAT deadly... it killed SOME people in MEXICO, they have SHITTY healthcare! So, no duh THEY died, but WE'RE gonna be fine!
CryptidHunter13 2 years ago
If the disease wouldn't be contained at all it would more likely become a pandemic
The reason why this is such a big deal is cause people died in mexico (said to be due to the swine flu)
tapix92 2 years ago
Thunderf00t has already elaborated on this issue. If a major outbreak does occur that is extremely lethal, we're all fucked, because there is no "proper" plan in place.
schr4nz 2 years ago 2
they are inevitably leading up to a zombie outbreak i can see it now... WE SHOULD TAKE THIS SHIT SERIOUS GUYS LOCK DOWN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY NO ZOMBAYS BE INFECTING MAH COUNTRY IM WASHING MAH HANDS SO I DONT GET THE ZOMBIE FLU DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
coughthunderfootisafagcough
mantisgamingco 2 years ago
I KNEW IT
Totmkris 2 years ago
heh I see comments saying they are just crying wolf. but remember... at the end of the story the wolf does come. at the risk of a pandemic that could kill, soap and water isn't too much to ask. TF is promoting hygiene protocols like washing your hands, his not asking you to wear gas masks.
ccaptorchen 2 years ago
You are just so cute-
Anyway this Swine Flu episode- word on the street has it- its just a practice run, a rehearsal, for something big coming- hope they are wrong of course.
Stay well beautiful
dberry999666 2 years ago
So you are saying instead of aggressively informing the public, installing measures at airports etc. to quarantine every suspected case, SARS should have been let run its course? Is SARS only credible when it runs through the whole population and kills not 775 but a few million people?
BTW. Despite all the media coverage you seem to have missed the fact that "the Mexican fatalities are alleged to be mainly young adults of 25 to 45, a common trait of pandemic flu." according to Wikipedia.
mbruck77 2 years ago
Yeah, and those are the people who die of the NORMAL flu to begin with, along with the people in fuckin' Africa who don't even have the resources like we do, and die regardless.
VantageFive 2 years ago
I agree. It is being blown out of all proportion. Mass hysteria is a tricky thing.
jergsden 2 years ago
Silly little girl, do you actually think TF believes this is going to be a pandemic?
He is quite obviously exagerating for effect. He wants to give people pause.
And well yeah he probly thinks there is a calculated risk, that was the risk he was showing with the chart.
I can be quite stubborn with critical thinking but his vid made me look up a bit more pandemics and so on. I bet you did aswell.
Ta
Allebabaz 2 years ago
Well, the list of "fad pandemics" as I call them keeps getting bigger with each year. It's not just SARS and Swine Flu, but also Avian Flu, Chronic Wasting Disease, Encephalitis, Meningitis, Mad Cow Disease, etc. It seems to me that every year or so the media finds some new obscure disease to freak out over, and within several months' time, it's forgotten with little or no followup, which has led me to ignore the "problem" altogether. For me, they're simply crying wolf. =/
SomeCynicalGuy 2 years ago 2
Tf00t released a new video today where he responded to a similar argument made by Ron Paul. He said that just because we have had similar incidents before with no real devastating outcomes doesn't mean that it will always transpire that way. He equated it to playing Russian roulette, "just because you span the barrel once, pulled the trigger and nothing happened doesn't mean that it's safe to pull the trigger." Hope that helped.
Ambushcrysis 2 years ago 2
So, in other words, no one should bother to take any precautions at all?
dannypantsgm 2 years ago
This birds pretty hot.
FriendOregon 2 years ago
He wouldn't have made a video about it if he didn't and people stop with all the hate jebus
QQMoreClown 2 years ago
"He wouldn't have made a video about it if he didn't and people stop with all the hate jebus "
Who was it you were telling to stop with the hate? It sorta looks like you are saying it to me and I'm somewhat confused by that.
JebusGeist 2 years ago
Sharpezor lol, Quote "Get off youtube and go back to highschool biology. You don't know shit about pandemics. " Sorry for the confusion i usually use the term Jebus quite often.
QQMoreClown 2 years ago
Lol I had considered that was a possibility. :D
JebusGeist 2 years ago
the main problem is if this is liek the spanish flu epidemic it will the health young adults with good immune systems. I think Tf00ts video is more a point that more could be done for prevention in the early stages.
p.s lovin the mario wallpaper.
gaborkiraly89 2 years ago
Get off youtube and go back to highschool biology. You don't know shit about pandemics.
sharpezor 2 years ago
whats that odd noise in the background,
bicnarok 2 years ago
'Old people already on their way out the door' oh boy! You better not open any emails from AARP! Love your videos!
accuratedude 2 years ago
Hopefully the disease mutates into this virus that makes people brain-eating zombies! WooOO00OOoooo
pzkane 2 years ago 2
just remember the bird flu XD
Inmylifealive 2 years ago
"just remember the bird flu XD "
Don't count Avian Influenza out just yet.
While there has been some human-to-human spread of H5N1 (Bird Flu), it has been limited, inefficient and unsustained.
All influenza viruses evolve. If the H5N1 virus were to gain the capacity to spread easily from person to person, another influenza pandemic could begin.
UltraSWG 2 years ago
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Inmylifealive 2 years ago
The media is blowing it out of proportion its pretty much what they do. But just because the media is exploiting the situation dosen't mean its not a legitimate threat. The news is pretty much the boy who cried wolf.
GGLpresidente 2 years ago
SARS was an epic near miss. SARS could have easily been worse than 1918 if not contained. At least you could check wikipedia before making a response video.
sef789 2 years ago 2
sars has a very low fatality rate, ordinary flu is far worse than sars in that respect. the reason sars is/was a joke, is because it didnt do anything, it wasn't painful or fatl, it was a non-illness, nothing to do with containment
ApocIndustries 2 years ago
Well we had a SARS outbreak in Canada. The recorded fatality rate was 17%. Hong Kong was also 17%; China less but probably underreported. Morbidity rates were high and the virus was very contagious. So contagious that many nurses in the isolation wards contracted the disease and died despite precautions.
sef789 2 years ago
I have Swine Pooh.
stormtnt 2 years ago
holy shit your luigi wall fuckin rocks
tacobandit 2 years ago
Just would like to point out a mistake in the video. The virus A (H1N1) supposedly causes hypercytokinemia in the body. Which means that those who have very active immune systems are effected the most. As seen in the 1918 pandemic many of the dead were younger healthy adults.
hellgas0 2 years ago 2
All Thunderfoot said was to wash your hands. What an alarmist.
Sconz32 2 years ago 6
What makes the swine flu different from any other flu has to do with the mortality rate. Currently that is estimated to be 10% with the swine flu. SARS was much higher at about 40% if I remember correctly. But the fatality rate of a normal flu is .1%. So I think we should be concerned but not panic. But not dismissive either.
rubberbaby00 2 years ago 2
i bet u got a nice pair of tits ; )
kasikara1985 2 years ago
H1N1 doesn't just infect the young and old it is infecting HEALTHY ADULTS.
You don't trust scientists and medical professionals, why? Because you're smarter and have more experience than them?
Please.
UltraSWG 2 years ago
"H1N1 doesn't just infect the young and old it is infecting HEALTHY ADULTS."
Listen carefully to what she says.
All you seemed to have heard is "people who generally contract this disease... tend to be really old people, or um, really young people"
She specifically stipulates "and affects them in a fatal way" which means shes not in any way suggesting H1N1 doesn't infect healthy adults, she is suggesting it's not likely to be fatal to them, much like SARS.
JebusGeist 2 years ago
"She specifically stipulates "and affects them in a fatal way" which means shes not in any way suggesting H1N1 doesn't infect healthy adults, she is suggesting it's not likely to be fatal to them, much like SARS."
And she's completely wrong. Why does she even think her opinion is correct and the opinion of doctors is wrong?
H1N1 appears to be much like Spanish Influenza, in which those with more active immune systems are affected the worst. Those people are Young Adults.
UltraSWG 2 years ago
Interesting then that the medical professionals in Canada keep identifying the elderly (50+) the very young (6 and under) and people of any age who have a history of susceptibility to some of the serious complications that can occur with the flu like blood infections or pneumonia, or are suffering from previous existing respiratory or cardiovascular conditions (IE not "healthy adults") as being the high risk groups for potentially fatal complications.
And expectant mothers.
JebusGeist 2 years ago
"Interesting then that the medical professionals in Canada..."
Then Canada needs to pull their heads out of their asses and listen to the World Health Organization.
Viruses like this strain of swine flu, kill their host by over-stimulating active immune systems that are robust and healthy. That is why the victims in Mexico were between the ages of 20 and 45.
I don't make this shit up, it's coming straight from WHO and the CDC.
UltraSWG 2 years ago
Interim Guidance for Clinicians on Identifying and Caring for Patients with Swine-origin Influenza A (H1N1) Virus Infection
CDC, April 29th 2009.
"Groups at high risk for complications
There are insufficient data available at this point to determine who is at higher risk for complications of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection.
(continued).
JebusGeist 2 years ago
At this time, the same age and risk groups who are at higher risk for seasonal influenza complications should also beconsidered at higher risk for swine-origin influenza complications .
Groups at higher risk for seasonal influenza complications include: * Children less than 5 years old; * Persons aged 50 years or older;
(continued)
JebusGeist 2 years ago
* Children and adolescents (aged 6 months18 years) who are receiving long-term aspirin therapy and who might be at risk for experiencing Reye syndrome after influenza virus infection; * Pregnant women; * Adults and children who have chronic pulmonary, cardiovascular, hepatic, hematological, neurologic, neuromuscular, or metabolic disorders; * Adults and children who have immunosuppression (including immunosuppression caused by medications or by HIV);
(continued...)
JebusGeist 2 years ago
* Residents of nursing homes and other chronic-care facilities."
Seems it must also be your opinion now that the CDC "need to pull their heads out of their asses" as they have failed to include a bulletpoint for "otherwise healthy adults aged 18-49" or the like.
So now it's your turn to do a simple fact check. Find me a WHO document that specifically identifies otherwise healthy adults aged 18-49 as a high risk group or accept that you are quoting unsubstantiated speculation as being fact
JebusGeist 2 years ago
cdc(.)gov/media/transcripts/2009/t090427(.)htm
pikechris1 2 years ago
Hello pikechris1,
Thank you for the link, I have reviewed the transcript contained within.
I as unsure however as to the specific reason you provided it.
Since it does not make mention of healthy adults aged 18-24 (or another appropriate wording) being a high risk age group I am guessing it was not intended as a rebuttal but rather as additional information that people should be aware of.
Was that the intent of the comment?
Thank you by the way for showing me how to post links properly :)
JebusGeist 2 years ago
hello JebusGeist,
if i remember well, the link mentions a median age of 16. doesnt really support one case or the other. we would have to wait for more (unfortunate) cases to occur, to draw more precise trends. in principle, the info was indeed intended as additional information...
pikechris1 2 years ago
on the links; YT doesnt like links being posted. using "dots" in brackets produces relief. one can also use commas instead of dots. however, sometimes unwanted empty spaces are added into the whole string, especially when its rather a long one. "tinyurl" helps there, one only has to deal with the one remaining "dot"...
pikechris1 2 years ago
Did you not watch the video? He emphasized that the Swine Flu is not ONLY affecting the elderly.
HellWithPoverty 2 years ago 3
Its true that swine flu is relatively mild as far as viruses go. It has a mortality rate of about 3% across the board. Ebola virus is more like 99%. But it is very very infectious. In 1918 Spanish flu infected 50% of the worlds population.. 50%! and killed up to 100 million people. So if we were generous and assume swine flu infected 25% of the worlds population and killed 3% of those. thats nearly 50 million people dead. Thats about the population of the UK. overreacting?
kidskillconscience 2 years ago
not 100 million, 40 million i believe
1MinDLesS1 2 years ago
I think the death toll is anywhere between 20-100 million according to wikipedia. I quoted the top figure and said "up to"
kidskillconscience 2 years ago
At lease she didn't like cam herself from an angle seeing her boobs.
JoshuaXiong 2 years ago
I guess there were people in 1918 who said similar things about the flu-scare.
Before it swept the world three times, and killed millions.
lovasip 2 years ago
My pet pig misses the hot sweet screw job I used to do to it. I've had to stop screwing my pet monkey because of AIDS, now I can't screw my pet pig!!!
pika62221 2 years ago 2
th e swine flu is no big deal but sars was i lived in toronto and got sars my sister britney is dead
HalloweenPrincess1o1 2 years ago
The media back in the SARS outbreak said it was gonna mutate and kill us all. They've been waiting on bird flu to mutate and kill us all. Now we have manbirdpig flu (since it has genes from those three types). Yes it's overblown, but the media has been waiting for this. I'm in PA and its hit every state around us save for NJ, but I'm not exactly worried about it. I have a super immune system, and I've never taken anything stronger than amoxicillian, so I'll be fine.
bluorangefyre 2 years ago
"have a super immune system, and I've never taken anything stronger than amoxicillian, so I'll be fine. "
__________
The part of the immune system that deals with things that antibiotics kill is very, very different that the part that deals with viruses. This means you're not necessarily any better off than anyone else.
VoteNixon2008 2 years ago 2
Doctors in the U.S. alone killed over 600 people yesterday. That's 600 people that would be alive today if they hadn't seen a doctor yesterday. More than 5,000 people in the world died yesterday from malaria. In the U.S. alone more than 700 people will die in automobile accidents within the next hour. It's good to be cautious of potential threats. But, keep things in perspective. Hysteria only does damage.
BloatedSensations 2 years ago
Telling people to be cautious (washing hands and wearing masks, etc.) can't be a bad thing... even if it turns out to be an unnecessary thing after the fact. So I'd have to disagree with you on this one.
Just so long as people aren't running around like panicked idiots (which they're not) I think the warnings and precautions are perfectly justified.
jussts 2 years ago
5 years ago i would agree with you... but knowing what i know about government secrets.. i think this is a government beta test on their new viral infections... is this the big one. (human depopulation)
Dont believe me? lol u dont have to.. but u can RESEARCH online... but.. you will never do it.. so im lying.. and the government loves you :D
baalyezidi 2 years ago
This video sums up EXACTLY how I feel. Great video.
Oddjohn 2 years ago
So far swine Flu is nothing, seriously. A somewhat new disease that caught some people in vulnerable situations off-guard.
Perlustrate 2 years ago
What about the poor little pigs?
Not one mention in the media about the concern for the poor little creatures. There tummys could be hurting and they could be running a fever with mucus. It's all about these overpopulating humans. What the planet needs is a good supervirus. Then we can return to paradise!!! LOL!!!
5 stars!
proffmongo 2 years ago
The big problem in the public discourse is that there is so little room for the calm, middle-of-the-road views. Either people go totally overboard and predicts the end of the world. Or they condescendingly call it all a big hoax and tell people not to worry at all.
Personally, I'm going to take it easy, listen to the factual advice from trustworthy experts and public health institutions, and generally just go on with my life as usual.
BamBasse 2 years ago
Damn straight.
It's nothing but a media beat up, just like sars.
In sydney there was a water contamination scare in 1999. The news media called it "Australia's worst ever health crisis". How many people died from it?
Not even one.
NonStampCollector 2 years ago
I agree with you - but I do think to a degree it's something we should worry about. People need to take precaution - but I don't think scaring the piss out of people is the best way to do it.
Or who knows, maybe it is as serious as the media makes it out to be - and if that's the case they need to learn to stop crying wolf when it comes to everything else.
healthyaddict 2 years ago
I agree the media does a really good job of blowing things out of proportions, but hey, they have to sells those vaccines somehow. ;)
LauraSK22 2 years ago
Toronto Canada 2003 - SARS outbreak = 17% fatality rate for a total of 44 dead. The WHO was prepared to write off asia, letting millions die to attempt to isolate the outbreak. Luckily the Chinese got it under control. The media SHOULD have been scaring the hell out of everybody!
sef789 2 years ago
i live in texas. my mother works in a children's hospital. i talked to her today and she told me the emergency room was like 'a scene from a science fiction movie' and completely overrun with sick kids.
while i personally don't know anyone who is sick as of yet, that doesn't mean this isin't serious. im not sure if the end of your video was meant to mock the media for overreacting, but from what i can tell, this is real. who knows though, my thoughts are speculative, as are yours.
dharrrster 2 years ago
Correction: Several of the dead have been in their 20s and 30s. It *isn't* something that's just killed the very old or the very young.
Also, it is my belief that the *reason* SARS wasn't that big a deal is *because* people totally overreacted.
Same with swine flu. If everyone freaks out and goes to the hospital and gets checked and there are quarantines, then swine flu won't be the problem it could be. If they blow it off, like you are, then it just might become a pandemic.
Namari12 2 years ago 3
Oh - well I never get sick - but when I do it's bad. So I always go to the doctor.
Speaking of which someone who works in the OSU Medical hospital contracted it - so it's here.
Why does everyone interpret this as 'take no precaution'? And it is a pandemic now no?
healthyaddict 2 years ago
A gas mask would look sexier on you
anthonzi 2 years ago
this kinda hard to listen to you with that cute super mario brothers on the wall, lol
yes its another scare tactic not to say it isnt real threat, but fox news and other wiedos are already blameing the president "see this what happens u vote a black anti-christs" god i hate stupid ppl and fox news
colepepper83 2 years ago
The only people who need to worry I think are people who are older, or real young, or people like myself who have really bad immune systems due to health issues. Best thing to do is just stay away from people who are visibly ill.
somechick73 2 years ago
I totally agree with you.. This swine flu thing has really become ridiculous! The media have lost their minds over it and the public, like the naive little sheep they can be, buy it hook, line and sinker.
HergerSeamas 2 years ago
The media sensationalized and exaggerated 9/11, too. That doesn't mean it wasn't real. However, if there truly is a serious, deadly epidemic, and one is traveling to the infected area, there really isn't a whole lot you can do.
Mexico is reacting pretty seriously to it though. The schools, bars and clubs are all closed until May 6th, and the border had a "Nobody comes in, nobody comes out" policy until recently.
0rcryst 2 years ago
I'm moving to my bunker, just in case.
Ujikaweapon1 2 years ago
Random internet comment
ParadigmaticShift 2 years ago
I think the media has gone overboard with it - as with any story. But, telling people to wash their hands,etc is good advice. Even regular flu is a bitch, so trying to avoid it is a good thing. Also, keep in mind that this thing may die down, only to rise again around winter time.
loveisallneed 2 years ago
I totally agree. I remember saying the same thing about SARS, because 10's of thousands of people die every year from the normal run-of-the-mill flu.
I think the fact that it's a *new* virus to humans, which potentially can be devastating is the reason. In Mexico they said at first the deaths were the healthy young adults, not the young and the old, just like the infamous 1918 flu.
Over here people seem to be reporting mild symptoms! Hardly any reason for panic, esp with Tamiflu being effective
OnTheFritz602 2 years ago
Hmmm a lot of people may be overreacting. I am not worried about the swine flu. That being said I am a little worried that even if the swine flu isn't anything the next big flu could be huge and we are all like hey you rember sars, do you remeber the swine flu. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf. So we should take things a little serious.
jesskat 2 years ago
Hey healthy, ur right not to trust the media hype. Instead I would recommend listening the WHO and other organisations that actually don't hype everything up :P
the WHO has TODAY announced STAGE 5 which means it has reached pandemic status.
Unlike Sars which had around 8.5k cases over one and a bit years, this swine flu has a reported 3.5k in under a month. Granted these are mostly suspected, but this shouldn't be taken lightly.
also.. this affects the 15-45 range more strongly. not viceversa
cmba101 2 years ago
Hi Healthy, the fault I find in your point is that just because last virus was not serious does not mean this virus is not the big one. It reminds me of my years in New Orleans, it was easy to get complacent because the Hurricains before Katrina were sometimes blown out of proportion.
Sacramentosaint 2 years ago
I'm not saying that we shouldn't take precaution at all.
I just feel like the media is going absolutely bat-shit insane here. It's scaring the shit out of some people I know - then on the other hand, there are far more people I know who are just completely ignoring it, and not going to take any precaution. =/
healthyaddict 2 years ago
American media blows everything out of proportion. It's what americans want to hear so they give it to us. We're the drama nation.
ClayFyter 2 years ago 2
I actually heard it was people between 20 and 40 that were dying.
DeraJa 2 years ago
I don't know about in Mexico, but here in the US the only person to die was a toddler.
ConstantlyQuestion 2 years ago
a toddler from Mexico
loveisallneed 2 years ago
You, healthyaddict, are in denial. Swine flu will kill us all. We shall succumb to a horrible, wasting death at the hands of this unrestrained, vengeful and vindictive virus. You shall rue the day you made light of this horrible pandemic laying waste to the world. Wait a second - what do I sound like here? I'm thinking I sound kind of like a religious nut.
I guess you might be right, healthyaddict.
Wash thy hands and attend CNN regularly, lest you be damned to swine flu.
Afod3 2 years ago
50 million died from the spanish flu so it could be a big deal.Most of the deaths were young adults. LIKE YOU !!! Then a gain I remember swine flu outbreaks before and it fizzled out. Better safe than sorry though. Washing my hands won't hurt. That mask you have is for dust only. It won't work with a virus. It's to porous.
insightnew 2 years ago
... your pretty.. ill might consider becoming your newest e-stalker
bla34112 2 years ago 3
lol
get in line!
;d
666norton420 2 years ago 2
nice wall paper
Steve2323ZX 2 years ago
I agree, from what I've heard from actual doctors and scientists, it is being blown way out of proportion. I'm really not that worried.
mathshop24 2 years ago
There is no swine flu...
ever seen V for Vendetta?
GenerationXeroFilms 2 years ago
What kills us is an overly strong immune response...
It is killing "young" people. I only saw one definition which placed that at college age. I live in texas and they have closed high schools back home.
I don't think this reaction is disproportionate. Has anyone heard of the spanish flu?
This video and some of these comments are a bit heartless considering people have died from this.
nckrver 2 years ago
I haven't watched the video yet, but yes, everyone is overreacting.
purv989 2 years ago
No, they aren't These "overreactions" is what keeps these things from becoming another spanish flu in the first place. We cannot afford to just react when things like this happen. We have to be proactive and take steps to prevent it from getting as bad as it can.
You and the poster of this video need to stop being a part of the problem.
eqfan592 2 years ago
You, my friend, are the problem. You come on here freaking out about swine flu, and I'm guessing you probably had a heart attack when SARS came out. Or was it the avian flu? Or was it West Nile disease? You probably thought the world was out of oranges when California had that freeze two years ago. Gullible, la te dah.
purv989 2 years ago
"No, they aren't These "overreactions" is what keeps these things from becoming another spanish flu in the first place. We cannot afford to just react when things like this happen."
are you retarded?
the under reacting, reacting and over reacting.
it's quite simple as to what each means.
under is under or not enough, over is too much and reacting is what everyone should do.
there's a few cases in TO.
my babes is going there for 4 days this weekend.
if she were afraid to i'd make fun of her!
;d
666norton420 2 years ago
purv, I didn't have a heart attack over anything. And frankly, I wouldn't call what Thunderf00t said in his video having a heart attack about anything either. Knowing what could happen in the worst case scenario and giving people some tips to help prevent that is NOT having a "heart attack".
eqfan592 2 years ago 2
norton, you missed the point completey (and the 'retard' remark was WAY beyond out of line), instead getting hung up on a semantics argument about the word "react." And of course we should always react in some fashion, and I never once said we shouldn't. What I was saying was that we can't afford to be proactive when it comes to situations like this.
People like you and purv have this tendency to label people being proactive as "overreacting" and THAT is where you ARE part of the problem.
eqfan592 2 years ago
Egypt is killing all their pigs now (face palm)
rednecktrucker1969 2 years ago
actually the reason why they treat it so much different from seasonal flu is because in 1918 the same strain killed a 100 million people and then again in 1960 something cilled i think a few thousand not sure on my numbers. but this perticular flu virus is the nasty one that makes it so your immune system over reacts and you die from the secondary infection but that is why they are taking the swine flu so serious.
laxguy22655 2 years ago
yeah I lived through SARS here in Toronto. People can be overreacting. The Big difference with Swine Flu is that it does attack Young Healthy Adults, as apposed to the very young or very old.Using masks & rubber gloves for a regular person is silly, I was a cashier during SARS & would see people come in wearing a grubby mask they had been using for days-sorry folks your mask now has more germs than the air or rubbing their noses with their gloved hand-more germs on the glove!
use common sense
nelliediddle 2 years ago
I guess I'm more paranoid than I would have been otherwise, I was extremely sick with a horrible fever for about two weeks this month. I didn't have a flu though.
enigmatically 2 years ago
I actually agree with you on this issue, especially the way the media, like you said blows things out of proportion in trying to scare people. It's also interesting that the way the media does a great job in instilling fear in the masses as a form of control in my opinion.
cain825 2 years ago
Thanks for pointing that out, Healthyaddict. I thought everyone forgot about SARS and bird flu. Seems like every year one of these colds gets media attention for no reason.
TheStig000 2 years ago
Now back to the topic of religion, which kills much more people. :)
Hurtman2000 2 years ago
The swine flu is something that we should observe and take basic precautions against....until it mutates into the zombie virus and then we're all screwed.
Everyone take care.
JockoBarbone 2 years ago
I'm not an expert, but from what I heard flu kills mostly young adults. The cause of death is fever, and fever is one of the body's immune mechanisms. So basically the harder your organism tries to neutralize a threat, the more likely you are to die. The attack is usually sudden, but if you make it through first few days you will probably survive.
Kuba022 2 years ago 2
No the potential if it spreads is great. The fact that countries are so alert i.e. lots of people being checked when they're coming back from Mexico is stopping it getting worse. The WHO seems to rate it pretty highly, so that's cause for concern regardless of the media. Also, it is killing young, healthy people, which is exactly why everyone's so worried.
yohaneuano4 2 years ago 2
Thunderf00t is definitely not overreacting, he just tried to shed some light on the matter and offer some good advice. If I'm not mistaken he even says the media blew the whole thing out of proportion.
I wonder if the people who died until now would have thought he exaggerated too...
LauraSK22 2 years ago 3
I'm not sick nor is anyone I know. So, yea this is completely blown out of proportion.
charlesfloyb 2 years ago
God you're gorgeous. You could just read the phone book and I'd still watch your vids.
...Sorry, too creepy? :P
Singebuggercat 2 years ago
Yes, now go back to photoshopping her into porn and stop commenting.
TheStig000 2 years ago
Ah, go drive a nitrous powered jag off the end of an aircraft carrier. ; )
Singebuggercat 2 years ago
I saw what happened to the last stig that tried that!
TheStig000 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Thunderf00t's a fucking idiot!
0SpinipS0 2 years ago
SARS was not blown out of proportion -- it was serious. Our (panicked) reaction helped everyone get just paranoid enough that we contained it. So it had a lesser effect than it could have.
They've caught the swine flu early enough, and hopefully the scary headlines will help us contain it again.
Like any kind of viral outbreak it can have exponential transmission if we do nothing. In cases like these complacency is our enemy. If we panic & the virus goes away that should be considered success.
websnarf 2 years ago 2
THANK YOU! That's what I've been trying to say all day.
eqfan592 2 years ago
True, but everybody's been making a mountain out of a mole-hill with this. They're thinking, "OMG Stephen King was right!" Please. Yes we need to react for the sake of overreacting to keep it from getting worse than it is now, but I think the only reason WHO is reacting like they are with the alert level is because Europe is threatened. Did they react like this when we had the SARS thing? I don't recall that they did, since it only affected Asia and Toronto.
bluorangefyre 2 years ago
the reaction is different because the nature of how swine flu acts as a virus is much more virulent.
Also, modern populations exist as a very vulnerable substrate for a break out because it's been a while since the last influenza pandemic
VoteNixon2008 2 years ago
Now wait one second! The SARS thing was handled differently because *CHINA* did a *VERY* poor job of communicating the initial outbreak conditions. So we reacted too late, but it was a reasonably containable outbreak.
This one is worse, but also Mexico has handled the initial reporting, containment and reaction extremely well. (They definitely should be commended.)
The two don't compare exactly -- the devil is in the details.
websnarf 2 years ago
Everyone knows Pandemics will come some day. It's only matter of time. It's serious bussiness, millions will die. It may be Swine flu or the next one.
BeyondWrittenWords 2 years ago
Please remember that around 774 people died from SARS.
aPaThEiSt 2 years ago
which is much much less than general flu kills a year,
it was just a scare tactic, and silly honestly, just like the bird flu, it was just panic and the media blowing it out of proportion
ninjabob42 2 years ago
sars only infected a little over 8000 people, compaired to how many millions catch the normal flu? That's a much higher mortality rate for sars.
eqfan592 2 years ago
In Mexico, most of the deaths have been young adults (around the age of 23), and not old or kids.
HonkyWilliams 2 years ago
The 1918 pandemic killed many young adults - so that puts you right in the firing line. Us middle aged peeps are sitting pretty for both that type and the regular flu, which hits babies and oldies :)
dave28lax 2 years ago
yeah, all the doctors I've seen on tv were like "yeah, if you have flu symptoms just wait a couple of day to get it checked", that doesn't sound like such an emergency (of course they were all sitting next to a journalist that was completely freaking out)
nice wall
pete275 2 years ago
Well in China the people were not worried because:
1° The government owns the Tv & they just put positive news. The news about SARS would be: 2 old guys, about 100 years old, died of this terrible virus!
2° The Chinese government sells organs of the people they have in jail, sells bodies like in the famous exhibition, do they really care if someone dies of a flu?
Western media instead just make a scare out of proportion on everything they can find, cause they cannot do real journalism!
Daud2008 2 years ago
Hmmmm, So far those that have died from Swine flu are between 25 -- 45 because of an over reaction of a fully developed immune system.
NEWSTOGOD 2 years ago
my thoughts exactly
Your1maginaryFriend 2 years ago
SARS, bird flu, now swine flu...
more people die from peanut allergies each year than have died from this disease.
Pass the bacon.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
So the media overreacted with SARS, therefor they must be overreacting with swine flu?
What kind of logic is that?
Panman38 2 years ago
Also there are 10 student in New Zealand confirmed with swine flu.
I'm not sure how old they are, but I doubt they're babies or old people.
Panman38 2 years ago
babies and old people are the ones that die of course everyone can get it
hypothetisch 2 years ago
I think it's going the same way SARS went. While I think it's understandable to take preventive measures, diseases in this country just don't spread as fast as they used to.
darkmojojojo 2 years ago
Since it's so easy to travel around everywhere nowadays, you're more likely pass or beeing infected by a disease.
RacoonEyes321 2 years ago
Your father was basing the danger of SARS by how the locals felt. That doesnt seem very scientific. There were people on the Gulf Coast that didnt feel concerned about Katrina either. Hind sight is only beneficial if you survive. May