Hmmm jumping 2a beatd Anti Air Craft with Hanzo....I thought about that but never tested it. Yeah Tung and Athena don't have range. That is very true... Athena can do qcb+p vs. Bigs Anti Air twirl, but she has to see it coming...
In the US Big is better than Hotaru, he's easier to use and get results with. Hotaru takes more effort.
Stiffening of landing of Hanzo of 2A is the same as a usual jump.
It takes on Big by the warp at a high position BorD, and antiaircraft is invited and crushed.
If it is made to down, the other party can control with the tool that easily can attack getting up and parts and flies because it doesn't have the invincibility technique.
Besides, the good chance to win is seen if it brings it in to the shape that doesn't become it in case of the attack from the Big side by destroying 2A of Big.
Is it good Big and Kim are ruling in the US? Not really because it turns people off on the game. They think you have to have Big-Kim to win tournaments here...and Big-Kim rule the tournaments here pretty much..
I remember Tokido not once played Big..he didnt even at EVO World...Iori, Marco, Mars People, I think he played those characters.
The Triad has pretty much mastered Hotaru but once again when they play someone like me or Ultimate Faust they put Big first..because to us Big is top tier because he has the LEAST bad matchups..hes Tungs worst matchup...he coutners Tung COMPLETELY. I have yet to see a Hotaru-Kim team in the USA..though after SBO 06 there were more experimenting with it due to Keeroc winning.
In North America we are going to Team tournaments because of the prevalence of Big-Kim at the time though the players in North Carolina have pretty much tapped out Hotaru. SieClayon plays Big-Hotaru exclusively.
A problem Hotaru has is vs. people with dive kicks. She doesnt have an instant anti air so she has problems vs. Tung and Mudman! Like Marco Tung vs. Marco is a hard matchup for Marco.
Very nice information.. in US tournaments here Big-Kim dominate everything. We have been watching some of you all's recent vids and have noticed the drop of Big-Kim in the vids..less people are playing Big-Kim it seems.
Yeah Bigs flying tool can be punished greatly esp. by Tung and others as well. I remember in SBO you beat Mago's Big-Kim team and he made top 4 no? I also remember Keeroc winning with Hotaru-Kim.
Wow so Big isn't S Class anymore? Why is that? Its nice to see the differences in the Japanese and US tier lists. I am enjoying this discussion Fujihara! If you wanna see the EVO World vids, subscribe to my DarkGeeseVids1 youtube channel..all the NGBC stuff will come from there.
A top player of Japan had already been evaluated for BIG to fall more than S rank immediately before SBO06.
Fact SBO champion's KEE-ROC, the SBO front was Big and Kim.
However, it participated in SBO with Hotaru and kim because the limit of Big and the possibility of Hotaru were noticed, it won the championship, and it proved.
It can be said that Hotaru is the highest character that can make the best use of
Yes I am more than willing to help sponsor you guys to come over or me go over there to play NGBC. That overall is my goal. Any word about NGBC2 over there? Also it seems that SBO overall puts the new games in and ditches a lot of the older games with the exception of Third Strike.
What ranking do the Japanese have Lee at? Is he still B class or in Japan is he A or S Class?
Because other players cannot be mastered, the ranking is not top though "LEE" greatly takes an active part Debukun in Japan. I think that A is guaranteed strength if it masters it. It is a ranking by which opinions of Japan are collected. [S] Kim,Hotaru [A] Big､Dio､Hanzo､Robeat marco､moriya､Haohmaru K'､Mizuchi､Lee､Kaede Kisara､Iori､Washizuka [Bottom of the heap] Madman,yuki､chonshu
I am not good reading Japanese, so you gotta help me to stay ontop of these new NGBC match vids! Thanks for that, I knew Tung wasnt low tier after what we found out..man I look forward to playing you guys. I also figured that the rankings had changed, is there a possibility of NGBC again at a future SBO??
It was heard that "Number of rallies regularly held" and "Scale of the rally"
were given to the standard of SBO.
The game center never sponsors the NGBC rally in Japan.
The rally was held with Toukyou in June.
The player has held them.
Therefore, one degree every four months from three months and the period open, and holding can be said that it will fill neither the number of rallies nor the scale chosen to be SBO.
Very interesting, man I need to travel to Japan to play NGBC right now it seems. So Debukun is the best right now eh?? Very interesting indeed. Have your tiers changed as a result of this? We Americans remember the Japanese tiers had Tung-Athena as bottom tier...and we dont think they are, we think Tung is Top Tier and Athena C Class.
Fujihara I have seen your vids, you all have quite the skill. I hope you all sometime go to EVO, I try to unite it to make it US vs. Japan like I did vs. Mago last year. I want to play you all, play Keeroc, everyone! Who is the current best in Japan right now in NGBC?
We do not have results in the games other than NGBC.
Therefore, because information was not able to be gotten from a powerful information origin in Japan, and time when it had known holding the event named this EVO was too late, it abandoned it.
Moreover, to participate from Japan in EVO
It is a harsh reality in us to cost traveling expenses of the cost of
Yes I wish you all could come...between me, SieClayton, Cajunstrike, P-Soul, Justin Wong, Beast of Fire, Ultimate Faust, Purifyweirdsoul, we think we can certainly hang with all of you guys in this game. We think its between US and Japan in NGBC. We think we got the upperhand ;)
Hmmm jumping 2a beatd Anti Air Craft with Hanzo....I thought about that but never tested it. Yeah Tung and Athena don't have range. That is very true... Athena can do qcb+p vs. Bigs Anti Air twirl, but she has to see it coming...
In the US Big is better than Hotaru, he's easier to use and get results with. Hotaru takes more effort.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
Stiffening of landing of Hanzo of 2A is the same as a usual jump.
It takes on Big by the warp at a high position BorD, and antiaircraft is invited and crushed.
If it is made to down, the other party can control with the tool that easily can attack getting up and parts and flies because it doesn't have the invincibility technique.
Besides, the good chance to win is seen if it brings it in to the shape that doesn't become it in case of the attack from the Big side by destroying 2A of Big.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
What do you all use to jump in on BIg due to his Twirl attack (B+D) being SOOOO good..
Like Big counters Tung and Athena perfectly if he knows the matchup well..its hard for either Tung or Athena to do much or get in on him..
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
Our opinion becomes it so.
Kim ... Even the beginner acquires it easily, and it is and strengthens further then if
a senior technology is applied.
Big ... Even the beginner is hey ..use... However, there are a lot of distances not good,
and the element that can be covered by the technology is few.
Hotaru ... It uses for the beginner and is painful. However, it is possible to correspond to all
if an efficient side is understood and mastered.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Is Big better than hotaru in the translation of main current in the United States?
However, I think that the form is correct.
Hotaru makes the best use of all the performances.
(cooperation etc. that continue from evasion and jump attack by a throw of example and BL version and backing steps)
It starts and the strongest correspondence power is gained.
The understanding of each frame etc. become important there.
The reach situation cannot be said that it is skilled because it is short.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Neither Tung nor atena are excellent on the reach side.
Absolute antiaircraft and the restraint exist in Big.
Especially, the mistake is not found in fighting hard at the first stage.
I vsBig.
Hanzo ... Antiaircraft is destroyed by jump 2A.
Iori ... It exchanges blows by the restraint, and it pushes it into an
individual technique in short distance C from TS.
Another ..Fuma.. ... It doesn't fly at all, and the part of which the other
party comes to deprive of damage is beaten.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Is it good Big and Kim are ruling in the US? Not really because it turns people off on the game. They think you have to have Big-Kim to win tournaments here...and Big-Kim rule the tournaments here pretty much..
I remember Tokido not once played Big..he didnt even at EVO World...Iori, Marco, Mars People, I think he played those characters.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
The Triad has pretty much mastered Hotaru but once again when they play someone like me or Ultimate Faust they put Big first..because to us Big is top tier because he has the LEAST bad matchups..hes Tungs worst matchup...he coutners Tung COMPLETELY. I have yet to see a Hotaru-Kim team in the USA..though after SBO 06 there were more experimenting with it due to Keeroc winning.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
In North America we are going to Team tournaments because of the prevalence of Big-Kim at the time though the players in North Carolina have pretty much tapped out Hotaru. SieClayon plays Big-Hotaru exclusively.
A problem Hotaru has is vs. people with dive kicks. She doesnt have an instant anti air so she has problems vs. Tung and Mudman! Like Marco Tung vs. Marco is a hard matchup for Marco.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
I'm sorry. It fights hard against the translation.
Is the Hotaru Kim handled to North America and OK?
The part etc. of TungvsMarco fight hard against the translation, too.
Strength of Hotaru is in an evasion means that is more excellent than the attack
when landing by two patterns and anyone.
For instance, bac step →
input in the air
(This performance is only a firefly. Another has the ground stay time it is sure to become a judgment in the air. )
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Are it good for Big and Kim to rule in the United States?
Naturally, this is what Japan was able to mean before.
Vs Big was researched any more though it was large that strength
named Tikido did not have the Big user.
We make the weak point of Big.
･Destruction of 2A first of all.
･Distance line
･Point that doesn't have invincibility technique
･"2D" big it
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Very nice information.. in US tournaments here Big-Kim dominate everything. We have been watching some of you all's recent vids and have noticed the drop of Big-Kim in the vids..less people are playing Big-Kim it seems.
Yeah Bigs flying tool can be punished greatly esp. by Tung and others as well. I remember in SBO you beat Mago's Big-Kim team and he made top 4 no? I also remember Keeroc winning with Hotaru-Kim.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
Wow so Big isn't S Class anymore? Why is that? Its nice to see the differences in the Japanese and US tier lists. I am enjoying this discussion Fujihara! If you wanna see the EVO World vids, subscribe to my DarkGeeseVids1 youtube channel..all the NGBC stuff will come from there.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
A top player of Japan had already been evaluated for BIG to fall more than S rank immediately before SBO06.
Fact SBO champion's KEE-ROC, the SBO front was Big and Kim.
However, it participated in SBO with Hotaru and kim because the limit of Big and the possibility of Hotaru were noticed, it won the championship, and it proved.
It can be said that Hotaru is the highest character that can make the best use of
the system of NGBC full.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Well, why did the evaluation of Big fall?
It is in the lack of the correspondence power in offense and defense.
The means to destroy the other party's defense is scarce though Big maintains
excellent antiaircraft and the restraint.
However, it is easy to be long the delay time of 'Throw evasion', and to evade '
Throw' of Big.
Therefore, the player of the first class is said that he or she will evade 'Throw' of Big easily most.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
There is a point of weakness to 'Flying tool' too.
Fighting hard is still very compelled by the distance though it is possible to evade by spinning Gruenther and the crossing diving.
Hanzo, Robart, Washizuka are assumed to be not good.
Compatibility is bad also for Dio whose reach is longer than Big.
On the other hand, there is respect that can correspond to 'Flying tool'
and 'Antiaircraft killer shot' because Kim and Hotaru have the killer
shot that can be put out in the air.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Kim can take full advantage TS and GC with the derivation from 2A where reach is generated long by five frames.
2A of Hotaru is 4 frames, very excellent speeds, and it derives to Dablasalt and a continuous technique it.
Cannot it be easy to abandoned by being about the threat of a throw in
the future, and hope for the derivation damage such as kim and hotaru
though there is 2B in Big.
The tool that can correspond and the destroyed tool are remarkably inferior.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Yes I am more than willing to help sponsor you guys to come over or me go over there to play NGBC. That overall is my goal. Any word about NGBC2 over there? Also it seems that SBO overall puts the new games in and ditches a lot of the older games with the exception of Third Strike.
What ranking do the Japanese have Lee at? Is he still B class or in Japan is he A or S Class?
In America our tiers are like this:
S+
Big, Kim
S-
Hotaru, Tung, Marco,
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
The Japanese has the character to cling to a new work soon.
Therefore, an old work is fast the person, and loses popularity.
This is a very unusual example though "Third Strike" and "SP2TURBO" still have the deep-
rooted popularity.
KOF98 that was that popular work has disappeared in Japan after KOF98UM appears.
To our regret, there is no information on NGBC2 at all.
If NGBC was as popular as KOF, it might have been different.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
fujiharakun 3 years ago
I am not good reading Japanese, so you gotta help me to stay ontop of these new NGBC match vids! Thanks for that, I knew Tung wasnt low tier after what we found out..man I look forward to playing you guys. I also figured that the rankings had changed, is there a possibility of NGBC again at a future SBO??
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
To our regret, the possibility of SBO is thin.
It was heard that "Number of rallies regularly held" and "Scale of the rally"
were given to the standard of SBO.
The game center never sponsors the NGBC rally in Japan.
The rally was held with Toukyou in June.
The player has held them.
Therefore, one degree every four months from three months and the period open, and holding can be said that it will fill neither the number of rallies nor the scale chosen to be SBO.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
However, because about 20 people always gather rallies, it is the large one as holding
the player.
NGBC rally activities etc. of us who is doing now
And, if an international exchange will spread with you in the future ...
It is possible to say in being able to win support from a powerful
game center, and approaching the standard of SBO unlimitedly.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Thank you for the replies!
Very interesting, man I need to travel to Japan to play NGBC right now it seems. So Debukun is the best right now eh?? Very interesting indeed. Have your tiers changed as a result of this? We Americans remember the Japanese tiers had Tung-Athena as bottom tier...and we dont think they are, we think Tung is Top Tier and Athena C Class.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
The ranking of Japan has changed.
In the magazine ranking in front of super battle opera 06, Mr-BIG was a high appraisal, and TUNG was a low valuation.
However, it receives high acclaim now by the activity of TUNG including Debukun about SUPER BATTLE OPERA 06.
Atena is researched, and it gets rid of the subordinate position layer.
It can be said that it reaches the class that other characters also surpass them though Kim and Hotaru are strong.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
It is on the "NICO NICO DOUGA" site in Japan about the image of the newest NGBC in Japan.
When the meeting is held there, new Movie is always added.
It is possible to end though whether it corresponds to English is uncertain ..
the access once...
PS･I'm sorry by me if there is a mysterious part because it is not good at English m(_ _)m
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Nice to meet you Fujihara.
Fujihara I have seen your vids, you all have quite the skill. I hope you all sometime go to EVO, I try to unite it to make it US vs. Japan like I did vs. Mago last year. I want to play you all, play Keeroc, everyone! Who is the current best in Japan right now in NGBC?
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
Thank you for the answer Darkgeese.
I wanted to participate in this year's EVO.
We do not have results in the games other than NGBC.
Therefore, because information was not able to be gotten from a powerful information origin in Japan, and time when it had known holding the event named this EVO was too late, it abandoned it.
Moreover, to participate from Japan in EVO
It is a harsh reality in us to cost traveling expenses of the cost of
living of about one month (^_^;)
fujiharakun 3 years ago
KeeRoc doesn't take part in a convention because it lives in the
Kansai district.
However, the season was overwhelming strength.
I think that it is possible to make a comeback in the top soon if it
practices still.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
The best player of Japan is a straight line now.
The rally that the individual sponsors once every several months is
the Kanto district.
Then, it becomes the following as for the player who has extrapolated
the results.
Debukun(Lee/Tung)
GoroGoro(Moriya/Hotaru)
Akira(K'/Hanzo)
Fujihara(Hanzo/Fuma)
Miura(DIO/Geese)
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Nice to meet you DarkGeese.
I am "NGBC" player "Fujihara. " of Japan
It is interested in EVO.
However, I think that participation is difficult this time though I am what where
it goes to foreign countries, and either am regrettable.
There are a lot of "NGBC" players in Japan.
However, it has not already played in Japan in NGBC though "MAGO" and "TOKIDO" are an excellent
players in other games.
Active service's NGBC player sincerely hopes for fighting with you.
fujiharakun 3 years ago
Did you see my matches vs. Mago? We are doing a Team tournament in NGBC at EVO in 3 weeks.
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
The game was seen. It was a fun game. A good game in the EVO rally is expected.
akenin 3 years ago
Yes I wish you all could come...between me, SieClayton, Cajunstrike, P-Soul, Justin Wong, Beast of Fire, Ultimate Faust, Purifyweirdsoul, we think we can certainly hang with all of you guys in this game. We think its between US and Japan in NGBC. We think we got the upperhand ;)
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
Akenin I've seen your NGBC vids...would you ever come to EVO?
ShinDarkGeese 3 years ago
Thank you for seeing the NGBC vids of me who doesn't do Dark Geese.
The Tokido of famous player of Japan NGBC is strong though it doesn't go to the EVO because I am a country person.
akenin 3 years ago
Dark Geese is nice tag team
akenin 3 years ago