StarCraft 2 - Slush [P] vs LzGaMeR [Z] (Commentary)

[MikhailBortsov]

Why didn't the toss go for standard 3gate robo 1 base when the saw the creep?

[galaxytroll]

awesome tactic and gameplay i loved it

[ultima0121]

Brilliant tactic!! That's why I'll never be a really good sc player because I can't think of things like that. Lol

[SleepingEntity]

As a protoss player, I am thoroughly impressed by the zerg's hatchery at the toss natural.

Very impressive tactic.

[Mikercavalluzzi]

Slush was just being a big baby!

[bananian]

I would have just bit the bullet and expand to 2nd natural.

[Freelancer604]

Wow that one was pretty damn entertaining

[Supaifails]

I can honestly say I have never encountered a zerg build like this vs. protoss very well played.

[MacGuffinSC]

Leenock tried doing this in a tourn and failed right?

[devastator06]

it sucks that you can block an expansion for such a small amount of minerals.

what OP shit will they think of next? getting blocked in your base for 300 minerals?

oh how about building spines outside your base so you cannot get out unless you use ranged, which takes ages to get thanks to getting a cyber core after your gateway. how OP is that?

[MrKobasik]

This is just amazing!

[AdamShifnal]

Slush seemed butt hurt. Hes used to the robotic play of Starcraft with the predictable builds....goes against someone who out smarts him. Gets butt hurt.

[hamptidampti88]

Beautiful gameplay by the Zerg player. The Protos player just got outwitted and reacted poorly (not just gameplay wise). Again awesome delay from the Zerg player.

[frankmirfan455]

i thought slush played zerg?

[blake1405]

such a lucky map for this from lz hahaha, the wall off was too far to hit the hatch, normally the first canon would kill the hatch

[5windlz]

These tow players are bad. A much better example is FXO.leenock vs SK__MC. Here you see a better player deal with much better. Serously, this does not work vs anyone decent nor to someone bad because they will get all their probs off the line t kill it.

[felipeduque99]

@TerranIsImba I think his fail voids are the reason he didn't expand behind the attack. but still, not sure why he didn't even try. no way to win one base

[felipeduque99]

@felipeduque99 heheh j/k :)

[TerranIsImba]

why didn't slush expand to his third?

Oh, because he's bad.

[DiziCone]

@TerranIsImba how was he supposed to grab a third? the whole point of forge ffe is so u can defend ur natural with cannons and he couldnt even get that.

[TerranIsImba]

@DiziCone

If he proxies a hatch, lets it finish, invests in 12 lings, and gets a queen *in your natural*- he's not going to have any sort of cash for real pressure. Anything he could have sent at them would have been easily blocked by a couple cannons.

[felipeduque99]

@CarpathiaS no I'm pretty sure it's a layer since it's one level above normal hatch....

[DrPooMonster]

@WarStorm93 Lol if anything the Protoss is stronger than the other races in late game. Ur a whiny bitch.

[RPBiohazard]

It is completely disgusting that the battle was that close.

[WarStorm93]

I don't want to see more games like this, I actually want to see a game where protoss is a viable race they are complete shit right now and it crushes me cuz i love the race :..(

[neofrankyboy1988]

i love this :D

[Balgore8]

WTB more SC2 games indeed. CAST/UPLOAD MOAR!

[IzzuThug]

I love innovative gameplay like this, reminds me of TLO

[fereh2]

Yeah, lets whine after you try to pylon block the ramp to the natural.

[foo7803]

u mad brah?



[Amomentforever]

zerg minute 14:42 200/200

toss minute 14:42 98/200

CREEP TUMOR OP

[Eelpie920]

I'd love to watch more casts by Force if he increased his mouse scrolling speed, it's driving me insane

[AcidBugler]

@Eelpie920 LOL

[CarpathiaS]

WHY the hell do people call it a layer? ITS A LAIR okay? L A I R YES! l2speak

[Mozdk1]

Force your voice is amazing. Forza Force!

[M1E1R]

Lol Slush bming as usual.

[Amomentforever]

THIS WALL WILL PROTECT ANY KIND OF SPOILING

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[Magdinus]

Played so badly from the protoss player... just needed 1 canon when floating 400 minerals for nothing and he would have got his extension without any issue...

[gamerderzocker]

@marcomancikas then switch to zerg noobie ?

[Doftzinho]

toss should have attackes the hatch with probes

[tomroxelf]

@Doftzinho No, he didn't need to do that

He needed to just build a cannon that covered the whole hatch. Probably needed to build a pylon though.

[felipeduque99]

I'm only gold but have tried this 3 times after reading about it on TL. if you can get the queen and place the tumor you're in good shape. only if you can macro well behind it though and expect DTs or voids as a response

[Mattsy1208]

What a sore loser. Boo!

[Indy7272]

Best gamer ever, LzGaMeR you are a genius.

[KAmaKAsa1]

wait.. why is slush protoss? isnt he the guy who does these really weird all ins in zvz and beats everyone?

[Schobbob]

funny strategy by the zerg, even if you lose the hatch as long as you get the queen out and place a tumor the toss cant really do anything until he gets an observer to kill it and that takes some time

[TheStrayfa]

slush sounded like such a sook in this game

[Seanjkbs]

Way to act like a Bad mannered child Slush, you just lost a fan

[georg2346]

@Seanjkbs he just won 1 fan, thanks to the new awsome, funny tactic

[benediktivars]

Protoss started this shit, now you can eat it too : D

[TheAEful]

dumb protoss ... he had the money for 2 cannons before the hatch even finished ... insteat he waited until its finished and droped only 1

[Sup3rrSnip3rr]

Did he think of doing it before or just messed around while in game? ;P this an amazing strategy

[desrowfighting]

Nice casting ~

[FabioStream]

Slush's a noob... seriously, I always tought he is a PRO-GAMER -____-

[MistaMilbz]

U mad bro?

[Power07080910]

really good game!!! i LOLed! these games are awesome because they are different!

[Sc2Predator]

just...awesome =D

[geganobo]

Leenock was the first to do this

[MrAmisto]

tt = tough titties lol.

[MrThingooo]

I'm so gonna try this

[gamingeconomist]

I love it! Cool game!

[naccass]

Fuck stats! It's all bout the game that takes place in the moment.

[SaoStronghold]

GG!! not BG

[AaronDomingos]

I use that Zerg strategy a lot! It was awesome seeing a pro use it, now I have a few more ideas to use with it :)

[1972demondodge]

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH MUAHAHAHAHAH I LOVE IT

[markomancikas]

I hate zerg. P is way underpowered and even after the expansion protoss won't get any cool units... just some expensive shit.

[amgoo12]

@markomancikas make a death ball > win. It's easy as that.

[Bumsalad]

Protoss tried the cheese and couldn't take it in return!

[leftstanding]

SlayerSYuGiOh came up with this strat. He first did it during his live streams, then every other zerg started doing it as well. It can be countered by simply placing 2 cannons in range of the morphing hatchery, the queen won't come out in time.

[MutenRoscher]

slush... still whining even hes playing protoss instead of zerg trolol...

[etismyname]

can you leave the production tab on? I gotta check out the unit production decision

[BaaldEagle]

favd this, I fucking lol'd, but seeing a butthurt toss player makes me sad since I am a toss player myself

[TbHackworth]

@BaaldEagle slush's main is zerg fwiw, lz is terran i think?

[whitewizard915]

I absolutely love non-standard play. Taking a Protoss player off of the offensive and making him completely defensive while you are free to macro as hard as you can... brilliant strategy, right on par with Spanishiwa and GameofDrones in terms of originality.

[kamezodo]

Why need anti spoil? If this game is good and the commentator is good I will still interest in the game even I know the result

[mouserman89]

expo harass - ZERG style.

[AzNXijun]

This is retarted Slush is QQing about a unique build that he lost to

[imbanana]

@AzNXijun ty that i know allready know who will win thats fun! idiot-.-

[StarfoxStarcraft]

i saw this one on lzgamer's stream! lol

[Peekayismad]

lmao so fucking ironic, the protoss player tring to cannon in the zerg complains

[NerdRoyalSC]

@Peekayismad Only that you don't need detection to kill cannons TT QQ

[NostalgicLink]

That was awesome. Slush needs a straw. You win some you lose some, suck it up. Btw... why couldn't Slush attack that creep spreading thing without the probe?

[GlucoseGuy]

@NostalgicLink creep tumours are cloaked so he needed an observer to see it to get rid of it.

[brutalchicken]

@NostalgicLink You mean Observer, the Probes are the workers. The Creep Tumours become hidden after they're built, so you need a Detector to see them.

And Force, good job casting these games. Only reason I check YouTube regularly is for your casts. I say talk about whatever you want in the beginning, you can probably just flash the stats up on the screen if you really wanted to.

[NostalgicLink]

@brutalchicken Yes, Observer; thanks for the clarification, mate.

[Key0fZ]

@NostalgicLink the creep spreading thing is considered to be a burrowed unit. You need detection to see burrowed units, so the thing that allowed him to see and attack the tumor was the observer. Perhaps you meant "with the probe?"

[NostalgicLink]

@Key0fZ Yeah, I meant Observer. Thanks for the clarification. I was expecting someone to reply with something along the lines of, "you're a dumbass".

[DrPooMonster]

@whutbrush Ya im a Zerg and it makes me happy lol

[Vedaification]

Wow, the Terran player did absolutely terrible. No wonder he lost....

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[AquaTheFox]

From experience, I can tell you that if he immediately drops a pylon and a couple cannons by the hatch this can be stopped easily--but then again, if he does that you can just take the loss and it still delays his expansion quite a bit. A pretty fair trade, especially if you see it coming and just cancel your hatch. Fun strategy to try--can also try doing what CatZ did to CombatEx and using a hatchery to stop the toss from finishing a wall if they 1-base on certain maps. Good stuff.

[co2prod]

Did you just call a Queen a "he?" :O

[Jjackson5970]

This strategy is called "Arrow to the Knee"

[whutbrush]

I loved it because Terran and Protoss do this to Zerg all the time with bunkers, pylons, and cannons. It's good to see them getting a taste of their own medicine in an effective, and creative manner.

[Stealthjudge]

Damn I just got SC 2 today and I can't wait to actually learn to play like these guys

[AquaTheFox]

@Stealthjudge See you in a couple years.

[SirGecko01]

@Stealthjudge Unless you want to practice 8hours a day. Have no life, and no health. You won't be that good.

[LHGH4x0r]

@SirGecko01 Almost all pro starcraft players are healthy and look great.

[SirGecko01]

@LHGH4x0r Thats great!

[Messiahs]

@SirGecko01

There is no difference between playing for 8 hours within a serious thought process or working in a regular desk job. Im gonna be a teacher and I will be sitting on the computer for a very long time every day, while I work in a job that belongs to the mentally most unhealthy jobs existing.

[SirGecko01]

@Messiahs I guess there is a little one: GETTIN' PAID.

[Messiahs]

@SirGecko01

Y NO MAKE SENSE?

[MrNeyus]

innovation i love it

[mrAlokyy]

wow talk about BUTTHURT we need more creativity like this. awesome game force thanks a ton

[jenoneonone]

I love LZ. This was one of the most entertaining games I've seen in a while. Thanks for casting it.

[previtic]

i used this strategy rite after watching this and it worked beautifully

[10thMeu]

"Queen gets killed by a couple of probes." Not something you hear often, lol.

[Klockworke]

I now have to do this on ladder! Those noobs in silver league won't stand a chance.

[Godspart0n]

doesn't slush play zerg?

[dmgisi]

BG actually means Bright Game!

What LZGamer did is no cheese, it's creative strategic decisions.

[TehSopes]

If Slush had just 4 gate'd or 3 gate robo'd on one base and pushed out early he could have won. Instead he was so stuck on FFE that he wasn't willing to adapt to the strategy the zerg threw at him... Poor decision making

[epicfail86]

@TehSopes

Nope, 4 gate is useless. Unless you at least kill the expo, you're screwed. Why do you think nobody ever 4 gates? Because it sucks. 3 Gate robo? Why? Lings counter immortals, stalkers and sentries.

[AquaTheFox]

@TehSopes He went forge-first, so either build would have been delayed at that point. Ignoring that fact, most zerg can hold off normally-timed 4gates and 3-gate robo pushes without much difficulty. But besides BOTH of those facts, a 4gate / 3-gate robo 1-base all-in doesn't work if your opponent knows for sure you're doing it--and with a hatchery, queen, lings, and 2 overlords IN HIS BASE already, it was a safe bet it would have been scouted.

[Reichsfuhrer0]

ho myyyy gaaaad

[baalzor]

one of the most creative games played i've seen in a while...

[epicfail86]

So....

Lose 300 min for hatch

Lose 300 min for lings

Lose 150 min for Queen

Pretty much do zero damage to Toss infra or mining

Delay an expo for 5 in game minutes

After that, have 2 more mining bases

Have a 50 supply lead

Absolutely own the Toss in the single battle

Cheese is supposed to set you back a lot if it doesn't cripple your enemy. It did the opposite.

[lastadolkgGM]

@epicfail86 going void ray didn't help much in that, he should have gone 4gate

[epicfail86]

@lastadolkgGM

Hell no. Why do you think nobody ever does 4 gate anymore? Because it doesn't work. Heck, speedlings COUNTER stalkers. Sentries/FF doesn't do much unless you can spam them and surround yourself with FF and somehow have the Z player not pull back his lings.

Lots of lings even own zealots, which are supposed to be like the best melee unit until T3...

[awshot]

lzgamer just pulled off a cheese greater than any toss player couldve imagined.

[allegrosloth]

SPOILER FREE WALL

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your welcome

[noJutsu1000]

Xel'naga: You are disappoint, Protoss.

[georgimmitev]

Soooooooooo awesome!

[stonehawk89]

Anything not "meta" or the "norm" is "cheese"... lol. Get over it, people get to play how they want, if you don't like it RAGE QUIT!

[Adlerhelldog]

That was epic

[B0st0nBru1ns]

Lol wow. Slush is a bitch..

[swinchesterful]

That was awesome, bg my ass..

[STARSHIPTROOP]

Hatch CHEESE awesome

[emmlynch]

ANTI-SPOIL

Lol what a sore loser. Something different happens & you get all butthurt.. Boo.

[1AK3R5for3v3r]

does slush play zerg/

[dz4golf]

Hahahah that was greatness kudos the slush!

[CerainLoLs]

why do the toss always lose in the PvZ? xD

[Litvi90]

z is pylon blocked every game? --> proxy hatch, biatch *trollface* problem, brotoss?

[bipseh]

ok that's what I'm doing next time as well ;D actually forge fast expand is easy to win against, I just go banelings 2 base push

[LuigiTheShyGuy]

So going to try this now...

[MrTrovang]

Looking painful for unaware forge fast expander. Doesn't even take much skills to pull off. Watch out lower leagues haha

[OilBurner350]

did he say "want to buy more sc games like this"??????

[Disturbedroximo]

@OilBurner350 yes, lol if you ever played world of warcraft "WTB _____" is a common thing said

[idleeidolon]

i guess lzgamer got so pissed with pylons blocking his first expo that he chose to do to the same thing (kinda) to slush. LOLOLOLOL

[Champignon1000]

amazing! :D

[Hoihoijooah]

I disliked every comment here. thumbs up ^_^

[LoolemanX]

So awesome and effective strategy

[HaploJH84]

Anti Spoiler

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[Capnbobisgay]

Wow! What an excellent play, way to throw the game on its ear!

[TigerClaws12894]

I remember this strat. during last month Code S, Genius countered this completely with a toss, really hope to see that replay

[Maxamix2]

OMG that was HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!



[savigy1301]

Pretty effective cheese there :P

[Antontoo]

wow great strategy

[SHAWSDOWS]

craziest zerg play i've ever seen. GENIUSly crazy though... thumbs up for LzaGameR!!!

[TheAbrahamHuerta]

wow tht game was something alright...

[IcyCylena]

isnt slush a zerg player?

[3Carnifex]

@IcyCylena not the same slush.

[DeMishMIsh]

he could never win this without the fucking mass thor....

[erebuswarrior]

oh dear lord

[Eric4bobby]

4th

[TheAbrahamHuerta]

3rd mofos

[KaloqnBankov]

Last hahah?:D

[hotsaltyballs]

FIRST AHAH