The reason why YHWH appears in darkness (Exodus 20:21), is in Exodus 33:20 "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live". Remember, when Moshe saw the back parts of YHWH, his face start to shine, and he had to cover it! And, remember also, we can't look to the sun for long time without getting blind, how could somebody look to the light of God? So, God also appears covered in darkness for nobody gets killed seeing his glory, his light.
Is it okay for one to say, God Created, Shaped, and Fattened the earth? would that be correct? I mean obviously Hebrew can have many different meanings, right? And are you saying that God didn't create the earth? But then how did everything come into existence then?
@ancienthebreworg So then what does in summit mean? At the highest point? of what? And isn't that Greek thinking, that it only means one thing, and not many things?
@12345soccerguy Hebrew words used for space, as in summit, are the same words used for time. So summit means the peak of a time, place or even thing. It can be understood as the highest point, the best of something or the beginning of an event.
@12345soccerguy It is, I never said it wasn't. But realize that the translation method I am using is a Mechanical translation which means that each Hebrew word is always translated with the same English word. Summit, as I have defined it, will work as a translation for reshiyt every time it occurs, but beginning will not. Therefore, I use summit.
Thank you for teaching my friend using the ancient hebrew, because todays bible is so ditstorted with all the translations it has gone through that it is difficult to make snse of the truth.
The bible does call God light a few times. Perhaps God is spoken as being darkness because the darkness is not perceivable by men. 1 Tim 6:16 speaks of Jesus living in "unaccessible" which "man cannot see". If the light not visible by our perspective perhaps the Scriptures are referring to things from man's perspective when it speaks of God in the darkness.
this is from zecharia sitchin. i'm curious to what your take on this is... "the father of beginning created elohim, the heaven and earth".
in the story of creation, in the first book in the ancient hebrew texts, in the first sentence, the letter (a) was changed for the second letter (b)-rashid, meaning, "in the beginning elohim created the heaven and earth".
how could it be, that the story of creation starts with the second letter of the alphabet, (b), and not with the first letter (a). if we add the letter (a), it becommes not (b)-rashid but (a)-rashid, meaning...
"the father of beginning created elohim, the heaven and earth".
theres no reason to doubt the "b" starts the torah, there are no variants that i know of. The Jews in the Zohar have a story about why God chose the "b".
What is interesting since ancient times some have read Gen 1:1 alternatively as a reference to the Son
"Darkness" could also be rendered "obscurity", like indistinctness. This makes much more sense, since the Godhead has no characteristics, its indistinct or obscure.
In Hebraic thought darkness is not just the absense of light, it is the opposite of light. They are two poles of a magnet, they compliment each other. Light is order and darkness is chaos, again, one is not better than the other, both are necessary for functionality.
Chaos is the absence of order but order is not the absence of Chaos. God is there in Chaos to put things in order, not the other way round. I think that is how hebraic thoughts are. Thanks.
Your views are, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, coming from a Greek mind, which is understandable as that is how we are taught since childhood.
From an Hebraic point of view you can't have order without chaos and vise versa and both are necessary for functionality.
Look at it this way. A tree springs up from the ground, this is order, the tree dies, this is chaos, but the dead tree provides nutrients back into the soil, which brings us back into order.
I supose in Gen 1:2 it opens it up to some interesting possibilities. I have been confused about Genesis and science but if its poetic it makes more sense.
I love watching gentiles just not get it.
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SilverRedIndigo 1 month ago
@SilverRedIndigo
I'm sorry, but the way HaShem dances you around is priceless.
SilverRedIndigo 1 month ago
Shalom again!
About the world היתה (hayatah), the same in:
כב אבן מאסו הבונים-- היתה לראש פנה
The stone {which} the builders refused is BECOME the head {stone} of the corner.
Should be translate as become in:
כ ויקרא האדם שם אשתו חוה כי הוא היתה אם כל חי
"And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was [BECOME] the mother of all living."
And the same in: And the land BECOME tohu vavohu, nope? Implying a gap between gn 1:1 (creation) and gn 1:2 (land empty)
csguterres 7 months ago
Shalom!
The reason why YHWH appears in darkness (Exodus 20:21), is in Exodus 33:20 "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live". Remember, when Moshe saw the back parts of YHWH, his face start to shine, and he had to cover it! And, remember also, we can't look to the sun for long time without getting blind, how could somebody look to the light of God? So, God also appears covered in darkness for nobody gets killed seeing his glory, his light.
csguterres 7 months ago
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csguterres 7 months ago
Is it okay for one to say, God Created, Shaped, and Fattened the earth? would that be correct? I mean obviously Hebrew can have many different meanings, right? And are you saying that God didn't create the earth? But then how did everything come into existence then?
12345soccerguy 7 months ago
@12345soccerguy I am not saying that God didn't create the universe, I am just saying that Gen 1 is not talking about the Creation of the universe.
ancienthebreworg 7 months ago
@ancienthebreworg So then what does in summit mean? At the highest point? of what? And isn't that Greek thinking, that it only means one thing, and not many things?
12345soccerguy 7 months ago
@12345soccerguy Hebrew words used for space, as in summit, are the same words used for time. So summit means the peak of a time, place or even thing. It can be understood as the highest point, the best of something or the beginning of an event.
ancienthebreworg 7 months ago
@ancienthebreworg so if it means the beginning of an event, why wouldn't In the beginning be a reasonable translation for "bereysheet"? ,
12345soccerguy 7 months ago
@12345soccerguy It is, I never said it wasn't. But realize that the translation method I am using is a Mechanical translation which means that each Hebrew word is always translated with the same English word. Summit, as I have defined it, will work as a translation for reshiyt every time it occurs, but beginning will not. Therefore, I use summit.
ancienthebreworg 7 months ago
I wonder how the Septuagint would translate? Hummm...
medzcine 10 months ago
Thank you for teaching my friend using the ancient hebrew, because todays bible is so ditstorted with all the translations it has gone through that it is difficult to make snse of the truth.
ninjawarrior41 1 year ago
Shalom, AncientHebreworg,
In reference to Elohiym appearing shrouded in darkness; the answer that I see, is quite simple.
Unless there is something lost in the translation given in the KJV, Gen 23:20 answers why Elohiym appears shrouded in darkness before men.
BernieOfLD 1 year ago
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BernieOfLD 1 year ago
The bible does call God light a few times. Perhaps God is spoken as being darkness because the darkness is not perceivable by men. 1 Tim 6:16 speaks of Jesus living in "unaccessible" which "man cannot see". If the light not visible by our perspective perhaps the Scriptures are referring to things from man's perspective when it speaks of God in the darkness.
theruteger 2 years ago
this is from zecharia sitchin. i'm curious to what your take on this is... "the father of beginning created elohim, the heaven and earth".
in the story of creation, in the first book in the ancient hebrew texts, in the first sentence, the letter (a) was changed for the second letter (b)-rashid, meaning, "in the beginning elohim created the heaven and earth".
whodoweshoot 2 years ago
I have read a lot of Sitchin and while I find his work fastenating I have concluded he has no clue about how to read or understand Hebrew.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
how could it be, that the story of creation starts with the second letter of the alphabet, (b), and not with the first letter (a). if we add the letter (a), it becommes not (b)-rashid but (a)-rashid, meaning...
"the father of beginning created elohim, the heaven and earth".
whodoweshoot 2 years ago
theres no reason to doubt the "b" starts the torah, there are no variants that i know of. The Jews in the Zohar have a story about why God chose the "b".
What is interesting since ancient times some have read Gen 1:1 alternatively as a reference to the Son
theruteger 2 years ago
"Darkness" could also be rendered "obscurity", like indistinctness. This makes much more sense, since the Godhead has no characteristics, its indistinct or obscure.
ek4nt4 2 years ago 2
Excellent point, thank you for that.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Nicely done.
wayman29 2 years ago
Thank you wayman, I appreciate that.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Well, I believe EL ELYON is both in the darkness and in the light, or what we think is darkness. What's darkness anyway? =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
I did kind of focus on the "darkness," but as I have stated in another video, Elohiym is a balance of tov and ra, light and dark, etc.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
"What's darkness anyway?"
The absence of light.
tudungsenduk 2 years ago
In Hebraic thought darkness is not just the absense of light, it is the opposite of light. They are two poles of a magnet, they compliment each other. Light is order and darkness is chaos, again, one is not better than the other, both are necessary for functionality.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
"Light is order and darkness is chaos"
Chaos is the absence of order but order is not the absence of Chaos. God is there in Chaos to put things in order, not the other way round. I think that is how hebraic thoughts are. Thanks.
tudungsenduk 2 years ago
Your views are, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, coming from a Greek mind, which is understandable as that is how we are taught since childhood.
From an Hebraic point of view you can't have order without chaos and vise versa and both are necessary for functionality.
Look at it this way. A tree springs up from the ground, this is order, the tree dies, this is chaos, but the dead tree provides nutrients back into the soil, which brings us back into order.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
I supose in Gen 1:2 it opens it up to some interesting possibilities. I have been confused about Genesis and science but if its poetic it makes more sense.
llstevej 2 years ago