Joe Smith was such a great prophet that when caught PORKING his families teen maid, he "revealed", for the 1st time, that polygamy was divinely inspired (Wife #1 didn't buy this bullshit)
Later only to become legal, LDS flip-flopped on polygamy despite their own prophet's teachings
Romney's family tho, illegally immigrated to Mexico to keep polygamy going. Mitt's dad slipped back across the Rio to be 1st MexicanAmerican to run for Prez
FLDS is true to Joe Smith; LDS does a political game
No of course you are not brainwashed. The tell you that the only way to get into heaven is to accept a polygamist husband, no, that's not brainwashing, of course not.
This is not polygamy, it's polygyny, and THAT is silly. To be able to marry as many as you want is a good thing, to deny women that right is simply evil!
@Petfal What you apparently fail to understand about the fundamentalist Mormonism is that there is no choice involved for theses women. They have no rights. Many of the men are victims, too.
I don't know why there is a problem with polygamy. A guy can have as many girlfriends as he wants but as soon as he wants to marry them both, he has broken the law. Let people marry however they want
@Petfal How is it a problem exactly? In N. America, a man can have as many women as he wants. He can have as many illegitimate children as possible and with the welfare, this behavior is almost encouraged. At least with polygyny , the man is taking responsibility for his actions and his children and making a commitment to take of them. I know that many of these marriages may not be happy, but do you think the women are happy with a man that jumps from girl to girl ?
Some women might be happy with a man that jumps from girl to girl, what monogamists might consider giving each girl its full attention when it lands on that girl, some women prefer sharing one man, and both may contain its share of happy women, but both also contains a lot of rightfully unhappy women. Can't you see it is not a good idea to deny women the privilege of multiple spouses? Monogamy is about denying your spouses to have others. Polygyny is that, too, but just with women.
... so it is also unfair, atop of the anti-love ideology of monogamy. I don't call it polygyny, I call it monoandry; one-husbandry, and I consider it even lower than monogamy. As you yourself say: Let people marry however they want! Polygyny is not about that, polygyny is about denying women to marry others... and most often, also denying homophiles to marry the ones they love, seeing as polygynists are most often (religious) conservatives.
I am in a monogamous marriage and prefer monogamy BUT keep on fighting for your rights. There is nothing wrong with polygamy as long as everyone knows what to expect and is in agreement with it.
First, saying that males outnumber females (therefore no need for polygamy) is just dumb. It just assumes people pair off based merely on gender and not based on any other variable.
Second, if, as the video "freedom from conscience" points out our laws are made by psychopaths, then what is the foundation for what people should and should not do? Is it societal? Then we will always be changing. Biblical? Then polygamy is okay morally.
Gay marriage, polygamy, bestiality then incest what next pedophilia. There all from the same mold, the worst of mankind. you can't allow one with out allowing the other.
@MrBinieam Unfortunately, pedophiles are already lobbying to be recognized as a sexual orientation. They have even formed organizations such as NAMBLA in support of it. All it takes for an immoral idea to take hold is to get Hollywood celebs in favor of it.That's already happened.Remember when a bunch of celebs came out in support of the rapist/bail jumper/director, Roman Polanski?IPlus, psychologist say that pedos cant be rehabilitated.Where have we heard that before?We live in a sick world.
In other parts of the world polygamy is accepted why not the USA isn't a right for free religion? why does the US make it so hard for polygamist I understand that its common as monogamous families but it is their choice after all. Its like saying Christianity (or any religion in fact!) is illegal, now imagine how many people would be affected by this and how people would react to this then think how polygamist must feel knowing that every day.
In a society like the USA 1.5% of the female population is exclusively lesbian while 3% is homosexual male. Doesn't seem much, but on a macro-societal level that means a lot. Also, more women than men want to settle down and have babies. So even if a small percentage of women, let's say 5%, would enter into polygamist marriages then that means many women could have families that currently don't.
Yeah! What does that all teach about respecting the laws of the land? You know, being a productive member of society, possibly even doing something that will benefit all of us evil folks on the outside.
My point was that poligamist take in 8 dollar for every 1 they pay in. They need to stop bleeding the beast. FINE if you wanna live any way you want just stop begging of other people and the state to pay for it.
Thats just fine. I have known many people like you, you can belive as you wish. But my observation is, when people who share your believes get in a bind or get seriously sick they come running to the public trouph, and take in the programs they wish not to perticipate in. Well fare, health care, police, education. all the things you dont want to be taxed for us use every day. And just a correction in communism you can not own land. So there is no land tax.
Polygeny is Islam is not compulsory, but a solution to a social problem i.e. in US alone there are 8mill+ more women than men, 95%+ of prison pops are men, 75%+ of the Army consist of men, 10%+ are sodomites. Point is, if all men took 1wife, there will still be 35mill+ women with no husbands. Tell me; what do you suggest those extra women do? become public property/prostitutes or co-wives with equal rights in a recognised marriage? Islam is a complete system, and does not tolerate exploitation.
Some people who are married with the wife's consent engage in extra marital sex, some how a piece of paper makes it illegal. Yes or no I just think that people who have to many children should be capped on how much benefits they can get. Not saying people who are polygamists are all lazy but I can imagine some will take advantage of a system that allows it. But then I would also like to see church and state completely divorced from each other, no more loby groups for any religion
Don't Know how/why ever since i was a small boy I've always believed that polygamy was right. When you study Holy Scriptures/history multiple wives have always been a way of life. Its only modern society that frowns on this. Yet they nod their heads and say that homosexuality is OK. C'mon homosexuality is not...OK. Any... normal human being can tell you that it is not.
It is not so much an issue that each man has a right to marry a woman and pass on his genes -- in nature that is not how it works, so why in humanity? Many men are gay, weak, neurotic, unwilling to raise kids, etc. Monogamy forces many of these women to settle on these guys and have a less-than-fulfilling life. Polygamy would allow men with higher creativity, intelligence and even spirituality to marry more women and pass on these desirable genes. It would benefit women and the gene pool.
@Born2bRedeemed this girl is one sided. i understand that all polygamists aren't bad people doing bad things, but she should have brought to light the negative sides of it because we know there is one. maybe not in HER family.
did they say anything about being apart of polygamist family also the dad usually wants to have sex with his own kids how sick is that but that shit has been happening with polygamist families for a long time now. How ever does not mean each family but seriously people polygamy is for people who just want to have sex orgy . and sex slavery.
fine for her, just look at her. What about the ones that look like time stood still and are told who they belong to by marriage by puberty. It's the cult like compound life that's the abuse- not free to choose polygamy families- who cares what consenting informed people do
@mompm i know. she needs to stop. she is just taking attention away from the real issue. no one cares if you choose polygamy and you like it. people only want to help the people who can't help themselves.
and how much did they pay her to say those lies?...or did her husband tell her he will beat the shit out of her if she does not promote it a big fake smile..
total brainwashed bullshit....shit-for-brains Religion like that is for losers..
The problem I have is the majority of polygamist,, are on welfare, and every goverment program possible to pay for there familys they created but cant afford.
the sensus shows that city like Colorado City and Hyndale, and other polygamy communities. take in 8 dallors for every 1 dollar they pay in taxes. That makes polygamy family a parisite in this country and a burden to the other Communities that have to support them.
@tfoster32 I disagree, polygamist are the most dedicated, hardworking, honorable people i personally know. I would say that the true parasites are the "illegal" Mexicans
Peace be upon him who follows true guidance and believes in Allâh and His Messenger. I bear witness that there is no god but Allâh Alone with no associate, He has taken neither a wife nor a son, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. I call you unto the fold of Islam; if you embrace Islam, you will find safety,
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Also women outnumber men in the US by the millions, so polygamy would be a necessity if all or most women wanted a guy to be with, especially with all of the problems with single mothers having their babys so called dads run out on them. Good men who can handle a family deserve these women, and if a single mother has to find it with a man who's already proven that he cares about his family, then so be it.
@PolyPride3 1) Wrong...we are talking about the extra females who have outlived there husbands and are usually in the 70 and 80 and these are the only extra women here on this planet ... the "girls" in the retirement homes sitting around alone in the rooms, they will surly be very pleased to get an offer of sex or marriage from a super young men in his 20...LOL well have fun with that...ROFL Grandma will be happy to see you.
15-64 years: 65.2% (male 2,299,914,476/female 2,122,079,899) that's almost 18 million extra men on this planet in the reproduction age-group! so basically those Polygamy girls should be married to 2-3 husbands...hehehehe
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if he leads like a abusive tyrant, then I'd agree that women who remain part of that may have low self-esteem, otherwise, I don't see a problem with the male taking the head role in a relationship just as long as he leads in a good way.
19th century Latter-day Saint women who were in plural marriage were often great leaders in the Rocky Mountain west. They presided over many great responsibilities and viewed their Temple Endowment's as being an ordination of personal Priesthood power. Eliza Snow was the "Prophetess, High Priestess and Presidentess" as she was known among many of the women in the territory. These are examples of the presiding women and the women who were in plural marriage during the 19th century.
Submission is not a necessary factor to make polygamy work. The man may have more advantages in polygamy than the women but that doesn't equal domination necessarily. Otherwise, as long as the wives get to have a say in decision, and CHOOSE to be in the relationship, then this can be pretty much just like any ordinary man and female relationship.
I also disagree with your claim about women with low self-esteem. A man can be a leader but I suppose the issue is how he leads.
I have several problems with plural marriage yet I also have positive views about it as well. The problems I have have to do with it being practically demanded in FLDS communities wherein too many young men are not given an opportunity to marry in the community. Also I deeply admire the women in plural marriage during the 19th century. They would put the FLDS women to shame when it comes to their independence, power, strength and influence.
And of course there is also always a surplus of young males in this situation. In the old days, they were made into eunuchs - of course they could always be killed or sent off to war for that purpose. But what do you do when that is not possible. Guess you just throw em out on the street.
In any harem situation, you must have submissive females who believe that men have a right to dominate them - in other words, women with low self-esteem, who believe they are inferior. Patriarchal religion is a big help in producing such women. These polygamous sects often 'assign' women to men - eliminating egalitarian love between equals. If the 'consent' is between a man with power, and a number of women without power, it's a bit of a fraud.
Polygamy is not a problem to society but rather it's a matter of how it's practice or really I should say, who's practicing it. There are perfectly normal functioning polygamists out there who don't engage in underage marriages or incest. People should think about this before judging an entire practice based on the mistakes of a few.
Depends on what "alternative" is and how far it goes. Society simply cannot accept every single "lifestyle" or choice someone makes under the guise of free speech or human rights. There need to be limits. Take China, Singapore, Russia or Nicaragua for example.
If you're going to bring a child into a harmful situation or do something that goes against the public's interest or harms society, then no you should no have children and should be sterilized.
Society will collapse if people are allowed to do whatever the hel they want with absolutel no limits whatsoever, and the government is prohibited from governing.
That sort of thing was one of the reasons why the Roman Empire collapsed. Lack of morals.
Actually, it's more like two souls uniting and becoming one. The "selling your body" to the other person is an ancient legal train of reasoning which justifies martial rape because it was deemed both legally and religiously that a woman was deemed to have given perpetual and irrevocable consent to sex at all times after she said "I do", and that therefore it was seen as impossible to rape your own wife. Although this has changed in recent years.
Real men accept that real women want multiple male partners, too. I don't feel these real people do that. But I agree in that thing about being able to marry for love.
A woman would seek multiple partners in he dating stage of her life in order to "sift out" the bad ones and find which one she wants. Unless of course she is a slut who doesn't care about her reputation.
A woman I strongly doubt would want so many men in her life. It will simply be too chaotic, especially if fights and srguments keep breaking ot among the men.
Polygamy in general is not a good thing. It leads to extensive inbreeding, it's not good for children, it is selfish in nature and it will place a Huge and unnecessary burden on the taxpayer.
It is bad to be enamoured with several people at once in that manner. It is not healthy, and it is not good for children. If there any good examples of what marriage should be, take one look at the Unification Church or the "Moonies".
Child abuse is illegal, and should be, of course, but it's not really the issue. Denying consenting adults who wants to marry is. Freedom of religion is not necessarily freedom of religious practice, but there is no good rational reason to deny anyone to marry.
Denying consenting adults to marry? If it is done for a good reason then it should be illegal. Your statement implies that incest should be legal, also Polygamy will wind up breeding strange alliances because everyone will end up becoming related... it'll be no different than the whole Woody Allen, Mia Farrow and Soon-Yi Previn affair. Polygamy leads to incest.
They should be free to do whatever they want they only thing is are they free to choose what they what and do they have options if they choose to leave? The other thing - she is reading this off a peice of paper. Who knows if these are even her own words? That's the problem here.
Otherwise I would really like to have sec with her. Wow. Some guy gets to bang a bevy of young hot teen girls like this? Wow that's awesome. Can you imagine all them in there hands and knees? Oh wow. Can I convert?
"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice." (Quran 4:3)
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
Of course, this was at a time only men had souls, and men married, women got married, so I hope Martin Luther is really talking about polygamy, not just polygyny.
1 Corinthians 7:2 says, "Let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
Adultery is the sinful intercourse of a person with someone who is not his one lawful and Scriptural marriage partner. It was forbidden in the Jewish law (Exedus 20:14) and was punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10). Polygamy is merely adultery on a permanent basis. Polygamy is always adultery, but adultery is not always polygamy.
There is always the option of divorce. Sometimes finding the right one will take a while. But when you found them , you will know it. Having over a dozen spouses will not solve anything.
If you feel you should not be married to someone, then divorce is a good option, but breaking up with someone because of someone else seems to me a sorry excuse.
Having spouses is not a way to solve anything, it is a way to live and love.
Cheating on your spouse is perhaps insult or slap in the face your spouse could ever receive. It shows that you do not respect their feelings, their values, your children and them as a human being.
Having multiple spouses causes more problems. Try reading some of the Hadiths narrated by Muhammad's wife Aisha, she HATED having to share Muhammad with 13 other women and all of them HATED it when he cheated on them with one of the servant girls.
Cheating could also show that you love two persons, and are very torn between them and society's norms, and that you don't have the guts to be honest about it (rightfully), or that you simply are not aware of the possibility of polyamory, even, but still feel the love so strong you can't help acting on it?
Muhammads wives were probably not really ready for polyamory, then. Sounds like they were forced. Not so cool.
Or cheating can simply be nothing more unbridled uncontrolled lust. If you know you are going to cheat on your spouse, don't get married in the first place, because it is not fair to your spouse and certainly not to your children, and frankly yor adulterer would have practically no morals to be going along with that. There is no excuse for adultery.
Polyamory is forbidden in Islam, many were forced though. But in any case, that is what polygamy is like.
Polygamy has nothing to do with forcing. They happen together because only the wrong people in the wrong societies are allowed to do it. Sometimes the wrong people marry monogamous forcefully.
Cheating is not unique, you see someone you want to sleep with and you do it. Sometimes behind your partner's back or sometimes you parade it shamelessly infront of your spouse Either way it is abusive and shows disrespect for your spouse.
There are many instances of polygamy being forced, and yes many monogamous marriages are forced, but you seem to think that marrying several dozen people at once will solve all the problems. It will not, it will only make things worse
I don't think polygamy will solve any problems besides the ones where you can't marry someone because you or they are already married. I DO think this will have good repercussions, however.
I would also like to say that I will be willing to give another choice to polygamists, apart from the one I mentioned a while back.
You can practice it, but, you will have to be registered and will have to move into a large, specially-built, complex with other polygamists, sealed off from the world. You will have everything you need.
It is always illegalization that has the burden of proof, that needs to explain first. There is nothing wrong with polygamy in itself, but thanks for the tip, I'll check it out and come back!
It seems like the traditional story, where abuse, pedophilia, raping and such stuff is the main problem. I hope this is not the case for most polygynists, only for the craziest, that aspire to leadership in the sects, and stuff, but no matter; if the privilege of having several spouses is given to only one of the genders, then not even a perfect marriage would justify it. It must be gender neutral.
There are lots of stories about wives leaving their abusive husbands in monogamous marriages too.
Of course abuse is around everywhere. That isn't all my point, however. The relationship cannot be as deep and loving when a spouse is shared. Human nature. That is the practical point but for a spiritual point a husband and wife become one. That is already difficult enough without throwing in spare wives. The jealousy and strife will be awful no matter if they have crazy leaders or not.
To me it is very easy to have very deep and loving relationships with lots of persons simultaneously. Of course I can never know if there isn't some crazy degree of deepness you monogamists have access to, that is even deeper than mine, but I like it like it is, and would love to marry all the people I love like this, and let them marry people they would want to. There are some others too, I think. Letting us do that wouldn't interfer with others.
Glad you are happy with your situation. Are you "bleeding the beast" by having the taxpayers support your lifestyle like so many do. If so, then you are interferring with others. It is also just plain illegal. What if I told you it was part of my religion to rob banks?
I am not happy with the situation where polygamy is illegal. I am not married to anyone, legally, illegally or nonlegally, and even if I was, I'm sure I wouldn't bleed the beast. Are there anyone doing that? Why, and how? Are there heteromonogamous people doing that? If so, they are interfering too, but in a taxbased democracy, you will always fund something you don't like. But there will be no direct interfering on others rights if you legalize polygamy, especially not others rights to marry.
Clearly because some people had bad experiences with polygamy, it should be outlawed altogether.
...This is the same as saying "Read this story about a person who had a bad experience with monogamy. You'll understand why it is such a terrible system!" It doesn't make sense.
It you believe in polygamy, how about some old grandma marrying 3 young men to go to heaven, come on be fair! If you're not brainwashed, that is! You are not in anyway helping the situation of oppressed women in this country or anywhere else, dumb ass bitch!
They only believe in polygyny, I think (even if Joseph Smith, their founder, married women that were already married to other men, without them having to leave their old husbands).
The camera cut off before she got back up on the podium and yelled, "Oh, and fuck those nasty fags on the other side of the street that are fighting for gay marriage"
Yes, you have a point! It is such a shame that polygamy activists and gay marriage activists don't see their common cause. They are both mostly concerned with only their own situation, not about others that are in a similar situation.
It would have been better for Letterman to practice polygamy rather than cheat on his wife. And Mitterrand. And Henry VIII. and your neighbour. And you.
Ignore The Personal Nonsense, this is Mormon polygamy:: It nullifies all non Mormon Marriages and Contracts. It defines Innocent Blood. It threatens Joe's wife with Death. Add this to the Blood Atonement Doctrine, the Endowment Ceremonies and thier violent blood oaths against you and this nation and you have Mormon Polygamy. And the Cause of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. All of this Is Polygamy. It is an immoral Violent Doctrine aimed at ruining you
God didn't give Abraham Polygamy. Abraham left Ur with a promise from God. This God was not the God of Ur. Abe was a wanderer in I don't know who's nation when he thumped Hagar. Since Abe had left Ur he certainly shouldn't be using some other nations laws for polygamy. The reminder of this transgression was circumcision. If Abraham had just listened to God, Abe wouldn't have had to cut his pee-pee. With Christianity circumcision is ended. Paul calls the Jews "The cult of the circumcision"
who can do more evil than the one who is saying Gods prophit was doing wrong?! unbelievable you are!!! are you aware that scientificly a circumcised man satisfies his wife 50% more than a non circumcised man as well as himself? plus circumcision reduces the risk of aids by 50%, you better think twice and see if christianity is gone astray from the true path. peace
You are one sick pup. a case of the dry heaves and moral revulsion best describes a proper reply Everything I typed is true. Christian Truth isn't like Mormon Truth. Your definition and description of circumcision is grotesque. And Un Christian. Paul called the Jew the "Cult of the Circumcision" for a reason. All of it was finished on the cross. And Abe didn't get Circumcision to prevent aids and improve sex response. sicko
i didn't say circumcision improve sex by 50% and reduces the risk of aids, its the scientists who said that! do you know what scientificly prooven means??? are you arguing about facts? Abraham was circumcised because that was and is Gods command and by the way, Jesus too was circumcised as well as those who followed him and he never heard the term christian or christianity, this came way later after Allah took Jesus to Himself.
A Jewish doctor? Risk of Aids? You are so unChristian and your logic is off the wall. Abraham obtained circumcision Because of Thumping Hagar. It wasn't a reward it was a warning. A reminder. ALL of that ended with the Crucifixion... I know you Mormons can't deal with that, you're stuck in the OT attempting to recreate all of its hell so you can again crucify the Christ and subject others to your perversions. Like a POLYGAMY Revelation that NULLIFIES all non mormon marriages and contracts.
this is nothing to do with my logic, we are talking about facts proven scientificly, whats wrong with you man? and since when mormans started to do circumcision? and mormons also believe in Allah?
had it not been a command of Gad why on earth Abrahem with get circumcision?? man your ignorance is as hard as a rock, i ain't wasting no more time here.
Dear dude, please take your last comment to heart. And learn to spell. Circumcision was never about so called "health issues". It concerned Abe's relationship to Hagar and Abes relationship/promise from God (not Gad). Polygamy and Circumcision have nothing to do with any world health organization. You seem to think something you read as "science" has relevance to 4000 yr old Jewish Circumcision. You are wrong. as usual.
If you are muslim, you must also believe a man can't possibly treat the four wives equally, it says so in the Qu'ran, thus polygyny there isn't good either.
Ooo bjk no i had two seperate youtube pages open and one of them was saying maximum comments enter the letters, so i did then i went to this page to see if it would write
I Posted the POLYGAMY REVELATION:: READ IT> True Mormon Polygamy is bestowed From the Hierarchy onto its Victims, the Males and the Females. Mormon Polygamy Nullifies All non Mormon Marriages and contracts. READ IT. It defines "innocent blood". It threatens J Smiths wife with death. It is not about "freedom" it is about Compulsion to a Hierarchy at every level of your life be it love, children, Business, all of it is under the authority of the Mormon Hierarchy. Flee the Lie
many of our forfathers had more than one wife, in some societies one woman will have two husbands, if the individuals involved are happy why should the law intervene?
Yah the problem is, women are not granted the right to have several husbands here. And men are free to do whatever they want to just because they have a penis.
LOL well, considering you, the devil are not human, i must decline your invitation. And you need to listen more carefully, i asked for -4 husbands-, not just one with several penises. Gosh, what a horrible service, i need to speak to the manager please.
It is also called polygamy. A lot of people seem to use the word "polygamy" when refering to polygyny only. This is about as correct as refering to polyandry as "polygamy", or to monogamy as "marriage". Correct, but very imprecise.
My point is, that i just hate how religions allow -men- to do whatever they want to, like having many wives---But women are NOT to enjoy of the same privileges.
I would be ok with polygamy BUT ONLY if the religions who allow men to do this ALLOWED WOMEN TOO.
So then have a problem with religion, not just polygamy! I wont argue that religion privileges men over women (Especially after reading the Tanakh) but that's a separate issue from polygamy. Polygamy is not just about ego or sex but it is often about financial circumstances and survival which explains while globally, Polygamy is much more common than monogamy.
If people made an effort in educating their women, they wouldn't be feeling miserable and worthless just because they are not married. That DEPENDANT WOMEN are raised world wide doesn't mean that's allright. It's just about how men in general think of women as luxury articles that can't work for themselves.
I'd rather visit the gigglio and satisfy myself rather than sharing a husband. And yes, there's so many orfans out there that i'd rather adopt one and live by myself with him/her than being a man's cow asides other three. Dude, women are not PETS!
You certainly like to presume how other people feel. Honestly, how condescending can you be? Thinking that anyone who choses a different lifestyle such as yourself are uneducated bimbos.
What would be amazing if the world just shut up and said 'no comment' to all social issues such as that regarding polygamy. Then we could all get some peace and quiet. This is freedom of speech, and she's using it. So let's not discredit the poor girl.
She is exercising her democratic right of freedom to live as she sees fit. Feeling apologetic for being who you are is not the right way to go. My hats off to you Jessica. Be proud girl.
There are several billion people on this planet at the moment... you tell me the vast majority of these are not to have love!?
Love wasn't made. Love simply is. Most of us (everyone, I'd say) have no problems loving several people at once, but we have learned that we should feel shameful about this, and that hurts humankind.
But most intelligent people I meet, thinks the guy who sleeps with several people is an asshole, and the woman who sleeps with several people is free. THAT goes both ways, luckily.
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Joe Smith was such a great prophet that when caught PORKING his families teen maid, he "revealed", for the 1st time, that polygamy was divinely inspired (Wife #1 didn't buy this bullshit)
Later only to become legal, LDS flip-flopped on polygamy despite their own prophet's teachings
Romney's family tho, illegally immigrated to Mexico to keep polygamy going. Mitt's dad slipped back across the Rio to be 1st MexicanAmerican to run for Prez
FLDS is true to Joe Smith; LDS does a political game
dleechristy 2 weeks ago
Polygamy is just disgusting and wrong
ThePrettymuchlovely 3 weeks ago
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No of course you are not brainwashed. The tell you that the only way to get into heaven is to accept a polygamist husband, no, that's not brainwashing, of course not.
guayacan07 3 months ago
This is not polygamy, it's polygyny, and THAT is silly. To be able to marry as many as you want is a good thing, to deny women that right is simply evil!
Petfal 4 months ago
@Petfal What you apparently fail to understand about the fundamentalist Mormonism is that there is no choice involved for theses women. They have no rights. Many of the men are victims, too.
eyeswideopen1993 3 months ago
@eyeswideopen1993
What do you mean? Since I know that, how do I fail to understand it?
Petfal 3 months ago
She is brainwashed.
Lenering 4 months ago
looking for 4th and 5th wifes.
fuislamtube 4 months ago
I don't know why there is a problem with polygamy. A guy can have as many girlfriends as he wants but as soon as he wants to marry them both, he has broken the law. Let people marry however they want
AbuBishir 5 months ago
@AbuBishir
Polygamy is not the problem, polygyny is!
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal How is it a problem exactly? In N. America, a man can have as many women as he wants. He can have as many illegitimate children as possible and with the welfare, this behavior is almost encouraged. At least with polygyny , the man is taking responsibility for his actions and his children and making a commitment to take of them. I know that many of these marriages may not be happy, but do you think the women are happy with a man that jumps from girl to girl ?
AbuBishir 3 months ago
@AbuBishir
Some women might be happy with a man that jumps from girl to girl, what monogamists might consider giving each girl its full attention when it lands on that girl, some women prefer sharing one man, and both may contain its share of happy women, but both also contains a lot of rightfully unhappy women. Can't you see it is not a good idea to deny women the privilege of multiple spouses? Monogamy is about denying your spouses to have others. Polygyny is that, too, but just with women.
Petfal 3 months ago
@AbuBishir
... so it is also unfair, atop of the anti-love ideology of monogamy. I don't call it polygyny, I call it monoandry; one-husbandry, and I consider it even lower than monogamy. As you yourself say: Let people marry however they want! Polygyny is not about that, polygyny is about denying women to marry others... and most often, also denying homophiles to marry the ones they love, seeing as polygynists are most often (religious) conservatives.
Petfal 3 months ago
I am in a monogamous marriage and prefer monogamy BUT keep on fighting for your rights. There is nothing wrong with polygamy as long as everyone knows what to expect and is in agreement with it.
AmaindeJH 6 months ago
@AmaindeJH
True! But polygyny is wrong, because that is discrimination, saying that women does not have the same rights.
Petfal 3 months ago
Why don't you become a prostitute?
You can fuck a lot and can make money too. and make kids as much as you want.
plmn444 6 months ago
First, saying that males outnumber females (therefore no need for polygamy) is just dumb. It just assumes people pair off based merely on gender and not based on any other variable.
Second, if, as the video "freedom from conscience" points out our laws are made by psychopaths, then what is the foundation for what people should and should not do? Is it societal? Then we will always be changing. Biblical? Then polygamy is okay morally.
edwardsson777 6 months ago 2
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sammycatfan 7 months ago
Gay marriage, polygamy, bestiality then incest what next pedophilia. There all from the same mold, the worst of mankind. you can't allow one with out allowing the other.
MrBinieam 7 months ago
@MrBinieam Unfortunately, pedophiles are already lobbying to be recognized as a sexual orientation. They have even formed organizations such as NAMBLA in support of it. All it takes for an immoral idea to take hold is to get Hollywood celebs in favor of it.That's already happened.Remember when a bunch of celebs came out in support of the rapist/bail jumper/director, Roman Polanski?IPlus, psychologist say that pedos cant be rehabilitated.Where have we heard that before?We live in a sick world.
eyeswideopen1993 3 months ago
@eyeswideopen1993
As long as pedophiles and polygamists don't hurt anyone, how is it immoral?
Petfal 3 months ago
In other parts of the world polygamy is accepted why not the USA isn't a right for free religion? why does the US make it so hard for polygamist I understand that its common as monogamous families but it is their choice after all. Its like saying Christianity (or any religion in fact!) is illegal, now imagine how many people would be affected by this and how people would react to this then think how polygamist must feel knowing that every day.
TheArberter 8 months ago
Shame on you!You justify polygamy though you youself are a woman.You surely have taken a big sum of money for giving this lecture.haha!
quran137 9 months ago
In a society like the USA 1.5% of the female population is exclusively lesbian while 3% is homosexual male. Doesn't seem much, but on a macro-societal level that means a lot. Also, more women than men want to settle down and have babies. So even if a small percentage of women, let's say 5%, would enter into polygamist marriages then that means many women could have families that currently don't.
edwardsson 9 months ago
Children only believe what they believe because their parents taught them that it was normal
same goes with politics and religion
FarLeftRevolution 10 months ago
i want her so suck my dick.. literraly, she's kinda hot
darkiz7 10 months ago
Yeah! What does that all teach about respecting the laws of the land? You know, being a productive member of society, possibly even doing something that will benefit all of us evil folks on the outside.
alexeykh 11 months ago
Polygamy is a way of life for some people lets respect that....
juegas 1 year ago
@juegas I agree, as long as it's consending choice for someone with options.
mompm 9 months ago
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Government has no right to tell people what their family must look like.
talon115 1 year ago
If I would be atheist I would convert to mormonism just because of polygamy. If Mormons are that hot like the girl in this video... here I come ;-)
Maurizio1985 1 year ago
@Maurizio1985 if you were athiest you could not live with ignorance of relgion for too long
mompm 9 months ago
My point was that poligamist take in 8 dollar for every 1 they pay in. They need to stop bleeding the beast. FINE if you wanna live any way you want just stop begging of other people and the state to pay for it.
tfoster32 1 year ago
Thats just fine. I have known many people like you, you can belive as you wish. But my observation is, when people who share your believes get in a bind or get seriously sick they come running to the public trouph, and take in the programs they wish not to perticipate in. Well fare, health care, police, education. all the things you dont want to be taxed for us use every day. And just a correction in communism you can not own land. So there is no land tax.
tfoster32 1 year ago
Polygeny is Islam is not compulsory, but a solution to a social problem i.e. in US alone there are 8mill+ more women than men, 95%+ of prison pops are men, 75%+ of the Army consist of men, 10%+ are sodomites. Point is, if all men took 1wife, there will still be 35mill+ women with no husbands. Tell me; what do you suggest those extra women do? become public property/prostitutes or co-wives with equal rights in a recognised marriage? Islam is a complete system, and does not tolerate exploitation.
robin4good 1 year ago
Some people who are married with the wife's consent engage in extra marital sex, some how a piece of paper makes it illegal. Yes or no I just think that people who have to many children should be capped on how much benefits they can get. Not saying people who are polygamists are all lazy but I can imagine some will take advantage of a system that allows it. But then I would also like to see church and state completely divorced from each other, no more loby groups for any religion
LyricalLacerations 1 year ago
if you argue about gay rights why not argue for heterosexuals living their la vida loca?
888Kharami 1 year ago
i wonder how much foodstamps they get
dupont4sure 1 year ago
Don't Know how/why ever since i was a small boy I've always believed that polygamy was right. When you study Holy Scriptures/history multiple wives have always been a way of life. Its only modern society that frowns on this. Yet they nod their heads and say that homosexuality is OK. C'mon homosexuality is not...OK. Any... normal human being can tell you that it is not.
I would like to meet like minded women
Tico
118100006 1 year ago 2
i like to do the same
lindashaopa 1 year ago
@edwardsson I forgive you for being stupid.
queenitastyle 1 year ago
It is not so much an issue that each man has a right to marry a woman and pass on his genes -- in nature that is not how it works, so why in humanity? Many men are gay, weak, neurotic, unwilling to raise kids, etc. Monogamy forces many of these women to settle on these guys and have a less-than-fulfilling life. Polygamy would allow men with higher creativity, intelligence and even spirituality to marry more women and pass on these desirable genes. It would benefit women and the gene pool.
edwardsson 1 year ago
wtf? this girl can't even read..
cupcake4206969 1 year ago
id much rather have several husbands.....that would be hot!
redsmooch989 1 year ago
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I support gay marriage, and just the same I support polygmay. If you love somebody who are we to say you can't get married?
langox510x 1 year ago
ok we need to ger that shrink a shrink cuz shes not "FANTASTIC"
daligon01 1 year ago
ok we need to ger that shrink a shrink cuz shes not "FANTASTIC"
daligon01 1 year ago
So, if polygamy is so great, why does the Mormon church conbdemn it?!
Born2bRedeemed 1 year ago
@Born2bRedeemed this girl is one sided. i understand that all polygamists aren't bad people doing bad things, but she should have brought to light the negative sides of it because we know there is one. maybe not in HER family.
elinheartstristin 1 year ago
Polygamy is great, yall just don't know
KINKYG11242 1 year ago
did they say anything about being apart of polygamist family also the dad usually wants to have sex with his own kids how sick is that but that shit has been happening with polygamist families for a long time now. How ever does not mean each family but seriously people polygamy is for people who just want to have sex orgy . and sex slavery.
InTheseBooks 1 year ago
She's a dime piece.
jendeh1000 1 year ago
HOW ABOUT POLYANDRY...WILL THE MORMONS GO FOR THAT?
Once the law is changed; that is exactly what will happen....Polygny, Polyandy, Group marriage, gay marriage, duo-species marriage
Why not ditch the whole thing and just have contract law!
BoudiccaBlanc 1 year ago
fine for her, just look at her. What about the ones that look like time stood still and are told who they belong to by marriage by puberty. It's the cult like compound life that's the abuse- not free to choose polygamy families- who cares what consenting informed people do
mompm 1 year ago 3
@mompm i know. she needs to stop. she is just taking attention away from the real issue. no one cares if you choose polygamy and you like it. people only want to help the people who can't help themselves.
elinheartstristin 1 year ago
We, Asians, are expert in selling vacuum cleaners to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of judaism and chrisianity to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of islam to the world
we sold the vacuum cleaner of Hinduism, sikhism and budhism to the world.
ever wondered why no prophet or bhagwan was ever born in England, Poland, Holland, new Zealand, Australia or brazil.
we specialize in creating and selling the vacuum cleaners in the name of religion.
zulfitareen 1 year ago
@zulfitareen This is one of the most surreal comments on youtube I've read so far. Nice...
dakodar 1 year ago
Wow, this is completely scary. Who, outside of Utah, would put their teenage daughter on a platform espousing bigoted and sexist rhetoric?
fiveminutewalk 1 year ago 2
and how much did they pay her to say those lies?...or did her husband tell her he will beat the shit out of her if she does not promote it a big fake smile..
total brainwashed bullshit....shit-for-brains Religion like that is for losers..
killerbear350Z 1 year ago 3
The problem I have is the majority of polygamist,, are on welfare, and every goverment program possible to pay for there familys they created but cant afford.
the sensus shows that city like Colorado City and Hyndale, and other polygamy communities. take in 8 dallors for every 1 dollar they pay in taxes. That makes polygamy family a parisite in this country and a burden to the other Communities that have to support them.
tfoster32 1 year ago 18
@tfoster32 I disagree, polygamist are the most dedicated, hardworking, honorable people i personally know. I would say that the true parasites are the "illegal" Mexicans
dkjsgirl 1 year ago
@tfoster32 That is Socialism for you.
I believe property and income tax are unconsitutional and people in America have managed not to pay them by unspecified means.
Property and Income Tax are the two Planks of the Communist Manifesto.
Cleric775 1 year ago
@tfoster32 Soooo.....it's ok to get "welfare" as long as you don't keep the family together?
talon115 1 year ago
give me two of those and I'll convert right now
timabad 1 year ago
"Education is a priority at home. Well, except for reading. I got a bit overlooked in that area."
HaveUconsidered 1 year ago
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polygamy favours women and not men!
Peace be upon him who follows true guidance and believes in Allâh and His Messenger. I bear witness that there is no god but Allâh Alone with no associate, He has taken neither a wife nor a son, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. I call you unto the fold of Islam; if you embrace Islam, you will find safety,
2009abuabdullah 1 year ago
Galatians 1: 8
tnfellow 2 years ago
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Also women outnumber men in the US by the millions, so polygamy would be a necessity if all or most women wanted a guy to be with, especially with all of the problems with single mothers having their babys so called dads run out on them. Good men who can handle a family deserve these women, and if a single mother has to find it with a man who's already proven that he cares about his family, then so be it.
PolyPride3 2 years ago
@PolyPride3 1) Wrong...we are talking about the extra females who have outlived there husbands and are usually in the 70 and 80 and these are the only extra women here on this planet ... the "girls" in the retirement homes sitting around alone in the rooms, they will surly be very pleased to get an offer of sex or marriage from a super young men in his 20...LOL well have fun with that...ROFL Grandma will be happy to see you.
xtreem1475 1 year ago 5
@PolyPride3 #2 TOTAL WORLD Population:
6,817,618,353 (November 2009 est.)
Age structure:
0-14 years: 27.2% (male 958,775,998/female 895,259,133)
15-64 years: 65.2% (male 2,299,914,476/female 2,122,079,899) that's almost 18 million extra men on this planet in the reproduction age-group! so basically those Polygamy girls should be married to 2-3 husbands...hehehehe
xtreem1475 1 year ago 7
@xtreem1475 I sometimes doubt those figures.
Even when those ratio is equal or slightly more than men, Man still have to do the hard work to court these women.
Cleric775 1 year ago
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cont'd from previous post:
if he leads like a abusive tyrant, then I'd agree that women who remain part of that may have low self-esteem, otherwise, I don't see a problem with the male taking the head role in a relationship just as long as he leads in a good way.
PolyPride3 2 years ago
19th century Latter-day Saint women who were in plural marriage were often great leaders in the Rocky Mountain west. They presided over many great responsibilities and viewed their Temple Endowment's as being an ordination of personal Priesthood power. Eliza Snow was the "Prophetess, High Priestess and Presidentess" as she was known among many of the women in the territory. These are examples of the presiding women and the women who were in plural marriage during the 19th century.
Starvalleybotany 1 year ago
@ adrienrain
Submission is not a necessary factor to make polygamy work. The man may have more advantages in polygamy than the women but that doesn't equal domination necessarily. Otherwise, as long as the wives get to have a say in decision, and CHOOSE to be in the relationship, then this can be pretty much just like any ordinary man and female relationship.
I also disagree with your claim about women with low self-esteem. A man can be a leader but I suppose the issue is how he leads.
PolyPride3 2 years ago
I have several problems with plural marriage yet I also have positive views about it as well. The problems I have have to do with it being practically demanded in FLDS communities wherein too many young men are not given an opportunity to marry in the community. Also I deeply admire the women in plural marriage during the 19th century. They would put the FLDS women to shame when it comes to their independence, power, strength and influence.
Starvalleybotany 1 year ago
And of course there is also always a surplus of young males in this situation. In the old days, they were made into eunuchs - of course they could always be killed or sent off to war for that purpose. But what do you do when that is not possible. Guess you just throw em out on the street.
adrienrain 2 years ago
In any harem situation, you must have submissive females who believe that men have a right to dominate them - in other words, women with low self-esteem, who believe they are inferior. Patriarchal religion is a big help in producing such women. These polygamous sects often 'assign' women to men - eliminating egalitarian love between equals. If the 'consent' is between a man with power, and a number of women without power, it's a bit of a fraud.
adrienrain 2 years ago
Polygamy is not a problem to society but rather it's a matter of how it's practice or really I should say, who's practicing it. There are perfectly normal functioning polygamists out there who don't engage in underage marriages or incest. People should think about this before judging an entire practice based on the mistakes of a few.
PolyPride3 2 years ago
So no alternative lifestyles should ever have children?
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
Depends on what "alternative" is and how far it goes. Society simply cannot accept every single "lifestyle" or choice someone makes under the guise of free speech or human rights. There need to be limits. Take China, Singapore, Russia or Nicaragua for example.
If you're going to bring a child into a harmful situation or do something that goes against the public's interest or harms society, then no you should no have children and should be sterilized.
bjnboy 2 years ago
@Petfal
Society will collapse if people are allowed to do whatever the hel they want with absolutel no limits whatsoever, and the government is prohibited from governing.
That sort of thing was one of the reasons why the Roman Empire collapsed. Lack of morals.
bjnboy 2 years ago
Marriage IS selling your body to the person(s) you love.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
Actually, it's more like two souls uniting and becoming one. The "selling your body" to the other person is an ancient legal train of reasoning which justifies martial rape because it was deemed both legally and religiously that a woman was deemed to have given perpetual and irrevocable consent to sex at all times after she said "I do", and that therefore it was seen as impossible to rape your own wife. Although this has changed in recent years.
bjnboy 2 years ago
Real men accept that real women want multiple male partners, too. I don't feel these real people do that. But I agree in that thing about being able to marry for love.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
A woman would seek multiple partners in he dating stage of her life in order to "sift out" the bad ones and find which one she wants. Unless of course she is a slut who doesn't care about her reputation.
A woman I strongly doubt would want so many men in her life. It will simply be too chaotic, especially if fights and srguments keep breaking ot among the men.
bjnboy 2 years ago 2
Of course everyone dies, most certainly. Polygamy IS a good thing, but polygyny is very bad.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
Polygamy in general is not a good thing. It leads to extensive inbreeding, it's not good for children, it is selfish in nature and it will place a Huge and unnecessary burden on the taxpayer.
bjnboy 2 years ago 2
Just as we are brainwashed to believe that it is evil to love several people at the same time (sexual romantically).
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
It is bad to be enamoured with several people at once in that manner. It is not healthy, and it is not good for children. If there any good examples of what marriage should be, take one look at the Unification Church or the "Moonies".
bjnboy 2 years ago
Child abuse is illegal, and should be, of course, but it's not really the issue. Denying consenting adults who wants to marry is. Freedom of religion is not necessarily freedom of religious practice, but there is no good rational reason to deny anyone to marry.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
Denying consenting adults to marry? If it is done for a good reason then it should be illegal. Your statement implies that incest should be legal, also Polygamy will wind up breeding strange alliances because everyone will end up becoming related... it'll be no different than the whole Woody Allen, Mia Farrow and Soon-Yi Previn affair. Polygamy leads to incest.
bjnboy 2 years ago
They should be free to do whatever they want they only thing is are they free to choose what they what and do they have options if they choose to leave? The other thing - she is reading this off a peice of paper. Who knows if these are even her own words? That's the problem here.
Otherwise I would really like to have sec with her. Wow. Some guy gets to bang a bevy of young hot teen girls like this? Wow that's awesome. Can you imagine all them in there hands and knees? Oh wow. Can I convert?
LeftLiberalSoCal 2 years ago
"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice." (Quran 4:3)
khan197khan 2 years ago
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)
Petfal 2 years ago
Of course, this was at a time only men had souls, and men married, women got married, so I hope Martin Luther is really talking about polygamy, not just polygyny.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
It does contradict the Bible.
1 Corinthians 7:2 says, "Let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
Adultery is the sinful intercourse of a person with someone who is not his one lawful and Scriptural marriage partner. It was forbidden in the Jewish law (Exedus 20:14) and was punishable by death (Leviticus 20:10). Polygamy is merely adultery on a permanent basis. Polygamy is always adultery, but adultery is not always polygamy.
bjnboy 2 years ago
I'd say even that may be open for interpretation.
How about if you only have non-sinful intercourse with someone who is not your one lawful scriptural marriage partner?
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
There is always the option of divorce. Sometimes finding the right one will take a while. But when you found them , you will know it. Having over a dozen spouses will not solve anything.
bjnboy 2 years ago
If you feel you should not be married to someone, then divorce is a good option, but breaking up with someone because of someone else seems to me a sorry excuse.
Having spouses is not a way to solve anything, it is a way to live and love.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
Cheating on your spouse is perhaps insult or slap in the face your spouse could ever receive. It shows that you do not respect their feelings, their values, your children and them as a human being.
Having multiple spouses causes more problems. Try reading some of the Hadiths narrated by Muhammad's wife Aisha, she HATED having to share Muhammad with 13 other women and all of them HATED it when he cheated on them with one of the servant girls.
bjnboy 2 years ago
Cheating could also show that you love two persons, and are very torn between them and society's norms, and that you don't have the guts to be honest about it (rightfully), or that you simply are not aware of the possibility of polyamory, even, but still feel the love so strong you can't help acting on it?
Muhammads wives were probably not really ready for polyamory, then. Sounds like they were forced. Not so cool.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
Or cheating can simply be nothing more unbridled uncontrolled lust. If you know you are going to cheat on your spouse, don't get married in the first place, because it is not fair to your spouse and certainly not to your children, and frankly yor adulterer would have practically no morals to be going along with that. There is no excuse for adultery.
Polyamory is forbidden in Islam, many were forced though. But in any case, that is what polygamy is like.
bjnboy 2 years ago
Yes, every cheating is unique.
Polygamy has nothing to do with forcing. They happen together because only the wrong people in the wrong societies are allowed to do it. Sometimes the wrong people marry monogamous forcefully.
Petfal 2 years ago
Cheating is not unique, you see someone you want to sleep with and you do it. Sometimes behind your partner's back or sometimes you parade it shamelessly infront of your spouse Either way it is abusive and shows disrespect for your spouse.
There are many instances of polygamy being forced, and yes many monogamous marriages are forced, but you seem to think that marrying several dozen people at once will solve all the problems. It will not, it will only make things worse
bjnboy 2 years ago
I don't think polygamy will solve any problems besides the ones where you can't marry someone because you or they are already married. I DO think this will have good repercussions, however.
Petfal 2 years ago
@Petfal
Good repercussions like what?
I would also like to say that I will be willing to give another choice to polygamists, apart from the one I mentioned a while back.
You can practice it, but, you will have to be registered and will have to move into a large, specially-built, complex with other polygamists, sealed off from the world. You will have everything you need.
bjnboy 2 years ago
Polygamy must be legalized, but polygny, when you do not give the same rights to both genders, must be abolished.
Petfal 2 years ago
Why must it be legalized? read Escape by Carolyn Jessop......you'll see a different story althogether....
MultiHannah1995 2 years ago
It is always illegalization that has the burden of proof, that needs to explain first. There is nothing wrong with polygamy in itself, but thanks for the tip, I'll check it out and come back!
Petfal 2 years ago
It seems like the traditional story, where abuse, pedophilia, raping and such stuff is the main problem. I hope this is not the case for most polygynists, only for the craziest, that aspire to leadership in the sects, and stuff, but no matter; if the privilege of having several spouses is given to only one of the genders, then not even a perfect marriage would justify it. It must be gender neutral.
There are lots of stories about wives leaving their abusive husbands in monogamous marriages too.
Petfal 2 years ago
Of course abuse is around everywhere. That isn't all my point, however. The relationship cannot be as deep and loving when a spouse is shared. Human nature. That is the practical point but for a spiritual point a husband and wife become one. That is already difficult enough without throwing in spare wives. The jealousy and strife will be awful no matter if they have crazy leaders or not.
MultiHannah1995 2 years ago
Impossible or just very hard? Or challenging?
To me it is very easy to have very deep and loving relationships with lots of persons simultaneously. Of course I can never know if there isn't some crazy degree of deepness you monogamists have access to, that is even deeper than mine, but I like it like it is, and would love to marry all the people I love like this, and let them marry people they would want to. There are some others too, I think. Letting us do that wouldn't interfer with others.
Petfal 2 years ago
Glad you are happy with your situation. Are you "bleeding the beast" by having the taxpayers support your lifestyle like so many do. If so, then you are interferring with others. It is also just plain illegal. What if I told you it was part of my religion to rob banks?
MultiHannah1995 2 years ago
I am not happy with the situation where polygamy is illegal. I am not married to anyone, legally, illegally or nonlegally, and even if I was, I'm sure I wouldn't bleed the beast. Are there anyone doing that? Why, and how? Are there heteromonogamous people doing that? If so, they are interfering too, but in a taxbased democracy, you will always fund something you don't like. But there will be no direct interfering on others rights if you legalize polygamy, especially not others rights to marry.
Petfal 2 years ago
Clearly because some people had bad experiences with polygamy, it should be outlawed altogether.
...This is the same as saying "Read this story about a person who had a bad experience with monogamy. You'll understand why it is such a terrible system!" It doesn't make sense.
Isabet 2 years ago
Stop lying, be honest about all the times you were diddled and not protected by your mother!
beccavenus 2 years ago
It you believe in polygamy, how about some old grandma marrying 3 young men to go to heaven, come on be fair! If you're not brainwashed, that is! You are not in anyway helping the situation of oppressed women in this country or anywhere else, dumb ass bitch!
beccavenus 2 years ago
They only believe in polygyny, I think (even if Joseph Smith, their founder, married women that were already married to other men, without them having to leave their old husbands).
Petfal 2 years ago
I am a Muslim I believe that Mormans should be allowed to polygammy as it is this religious obligation,
Peace!
khan197khan 2 years ago 2
The camera cut off before she got back up on the podium and yelled, "Oh, and fuck those nasty fags on the other side of the street that are fighting for gay marriage"
TheClassicalLiberal 2 years ago
Yes, you have a point! It is such a shame that polygamy activists and gay marriage activists don't see their common cause. They are both mostly concerned with only their own situation, not about others that are in a similar situation.
Petfal 2 years ago
It would have been better for Letterman to practice polygamy rather than cheat on his wife. And Mitterrand. And Henry VIII. and your neighbour. And you.
MrRafiqT 2 years ago
And some women!
Petfal 2 years ago
brainwashed
jedenney 2 years ago
oh brother!
KristinAmy18 2 years ago
Ignore The Personal Nonsense, this is Mormon polygamy:: It nullifies all non Mormon Marriages and Contracts. It defines Innocent Blood. It threatens Joe's wife with Death. Add this to the Blood Atonement Doctrine, the Endowment Ceremonies and thier violent blood oaths against you and this nation and you have Mormon Polygamy. And the Cause of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. All of this Is Polygamy. It is an immoral Violent Doctrine aimed at ruining you
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
If it is immoral than why did God's Prophet Abrahim have to wives!
PS: I'm Muslim not a morman and we only believe that a man can only have 4 wives giving equal financial and time to each wife.
khan197khan 2 years ago 3
God didn't give Abraham Polygamy. Abraham left Ur with a promise from God. This God was not the God of Ur. Abe was a wanderer in I don't know who's nation when he thumped Hagar. Since Abe had left Ur he certainly shouldn't be using some other nations laws for polygamy. The reminder of this transgression was circumcision. If Abraham had just listened to God, Abe wouldn't have had to cut his pee-pee. With Christianity circumcision is ended. Paul calls the Jews "The cult of the circumcision"
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
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"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil..."(The Bible, Mathew 5:17)
Paul is not greater than Prophet Jesus(peace be upon hiom)
"The desciple is not greater than the master." (Matthew 10:24)
khan197khan 2 years ago
who can do more evil than the one who is saying Gods prophit was doing wrong?! unbelievable you are!!! are you aware that scientificly a circumcised man satisfies his wife 50% more than a non circumcised man as well as himself? plus circumcision reduces the risk of aids by 50%, you better think twice and see if christianity is gone astray from the true path. peace
dudefromlondon 2 years ago
You are one sick pup. a case of the dry heaves and moral revulsion best describes a proper reply Everything I typed is true. Christian Truth isn't like Mormon Truth. Your definition and description of circumcision is grotesque. And Un Christian. Paul called the Jew the "Cult of the Circumcision" for a reason. All of it was finished on the cross. And Abe didn't get Circumcision to prevent aids and improve sex response. sicko
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
i didn't say circumcision improve sex by 50% and reduces the risk of aids, its the scientists who said that! do you know what scientificly prooven means??? are you arguing about facts? Abraham was circumcised because that was and is Gods command and by the way, Jesus too was circumcised as well as those who followed him and he never heard the term christian or christianity, this came way later after Allah took Jesus to Himself.
peace
dudefromlondon 2 years ago
A Jewish doctor? Risk of Aids? You are so unChristian and your logic is off the wall. Abraham obtained circumcision Because of Thumping Hagar. It wasn't a reward it was a warning. A reminder. ALL of that ended with the Crucifixion... I know you Mormons can't deal with that, you're stuck in the OT attempting to recreate all of its hell so you can again crucify the Christ and subject others to your perversions. Like a POLYGAMY Revelation that NULLIFIES all non mormon marriages and contracts.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
this is nothing to do with my logic, we are talking about facts proven scientificly, whats wrong with you man? and since when mormans started to do circumcision? and mormons also believe in Allah?
had it not been a command of Gad why on earth Abrahem with get circumcision?? man your ignorance is as hard as a rock, i ain't wasting no more time here.
peace
dudefromlondon 2 years ago
Dear dude, please take your last comment to heart. And learn to spell. Circumcision was never about so called "health issues". It concerned Abe's relationship to Hagar and Abes relationship/promise from God (not Gad). Polygamy and Circumcision have nothing to do with any world health organization. You seem to think something you read as "science" has relevance to 4000 yr old Jewish Circumcision. You are wrong. as usual.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
god doesnt exist, allah doesnt exist...
religion is a man made cancer to keep masses in line
no1 knows what happens when you die so why believe the liers... you really think theyve been to heaven/hell ? lolllllllllll
Lollertron 2 years ago
If you are muslim, you must also believe a man can't possibly treat the four wives equally, it says so in the Qu'ran, thus polygyny there isn't good either.
Petfal 2 years ago
bjk
rippa17 2 years ago
What's bjk?
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
Ooo bjk no i had two seperate youtube pages open and one of them was saying maximum comments enter the letters, so i did then i went to this page to see if it would write
rippa17 2 years ago
I am so getting in on this!! Polygamy rules!!
leeroynaggins 2 years ago
well i wouldnt mind polygamy. its in all the religions and if the women are down sure then why not.
GitanoRenegado 2 years ago
Not to mention the men.
Petfal 2 years ago
I Posted the POLYGAMY REVELATION:: READ IT> True Mormon Polygamy is bestowed From the Hierarchy onto its Victims, the Males and the Females. Mormon Polygamy Nullifies All non Mormon Marriages and contracts. READ IT. It defines "innocent blood". It threatens J Smiths wife with death. It is not about "freedom" it is about Compulsion to a Hierarchy at every level of your life be it love, children, Business, all of it is under the authority of the Mormon Hierarchy. Flee the Lie
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
many of our forfathers had more than one wife, in some societies one woman will have two husbands, if the individuals involved are happy why should the law intervene?
AbuAvital 2 years ago
Yah the problem is, women are not granted the right to have several husbands here. And men are free to do whatever they want to just because they have a penis.
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
I,m the Devil, I have multiple penis, so that is no problem to me for having fun,
Did you read about discrimination in Britain in papaer 3 day ago...? they just agree to allows the woman army to fight in battle field....
tonyshit80 2 years ago
LOL well, considering you, the devil are not human, i must decline your invitation. And you need to listen more carefully, i asked for -4 husbands-, not just one with several penises. Gosh, what a horrible service, i need to speak to the manager please.
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
That's called polyandry. Feel free to try it.
LamaaraShishani 2 years ago
It's not if i try it or not, its how religions privilege men above women all the time.
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
Don't blame the religions in particular. In every patriarchal society, everything privilege men above women, not just religions.
Petfal 2 years ago
It is also called polygamy. A lot of people seem to use the word "polygamy" when refering to polygyny only. This is about as correct as refering to polyandry as "polygamy", or to monogamy as "marriage". Correct, but very imprecise.
Petfal 2 years ago
listen if there where 50 men to 1 woman then i can understand you're piont but thats just not the piont
rippa17 2 years ago
My point is, that i just hate how religions allow -men- to do whatever they want to, like having many wives---But women are NOT to enjoy of the same privileges.
I would be ok with polygamy BUT ONLY if the religions who allow men to do this ALLOWED WOMEN TOO.
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
So then have a problem with religion, not just polygamy! I wont argue that religion privileges men over women (Especially after reading the Tanakh) but that's a separate issue from polygamy. Polygamy is not just about ego or sex but it is often about financial circumstances and survival which explains while globally, Polygamy is much more common than monogamy.
LamaaraShishani 2 years ago
If people made an effort in educating their women, they wouldn't be feeling miserable and worthless just because they are not married. That DEPENDANT WOMEN are raised world wide doesn't mean that's allright. It's just about how men in general think of women as luxury articles that can't work for themselves.
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
Whats your solution then??? live alone and visit the giggilo once a month???
adopte children??
or fuck another womans husband?
rippa17 2 years ago
I'd rather visit the gigglio and satisfy myself rather than sharing a husband. And yes, there's so many orfans out there that i'd rather adopt one and live by myself with him/her than being a man's cow asides other three. Dude, women are not PETS!
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
You certainly like to presume how other people feel. Honestly, how condescending can you be? Thinking that anyone who choses a different lifestyle such as yourself are uneducated bimbos.
LamaaraShishani 2 years ago
Polygamy, as it is marriage, is also about love.
Petfal 2 years ago
What if we just didn't care about the religions at all, but got gender neutral, non-religious polygamy? Why do you need a religion to have polygamy?
Petfal 2 years ago
What would be amazing if the world just shut up and said 'no comment' to all social issues such as that regarding polygamy. Then we could all get some peace and quiet. This is freedom of speech, and she's using it. So let's not discredit the poor girl.
jMakowiak 2 years ago
She is exercising her democratic right of freedom to live as she sees fit. Feeling apologetic for being who you are is not the right way to go. My hats off to you Jessica. Be proud girl.
Iqbaldinho 2 years ago 3
I,m the devil, I colud imagine her' pussy..
do you...?
tonyshit80 2 years ago
love was made only for 2 persons........
Venezuelangirl1987 2 years ago
no,..ONE LOVE
muckstar23 2 years ago
There are several billion people on this planet at the moment... you tell me the vast majority of these are not to have love!?
Love wasn't made. Love simply is. Most of us (everyone, I'd say) have no problems loving several people at once, but we have learned that we should feel shameful about this, and that hurts humankind.
Petfal 2 years ago
pfft... if polygamy is ok, then i wanna marry 4 dudes too! Just because i don't have a penis i can't marry several people?
Hmmm... i have an idea, i'll marry 4 dudes; all of them bisexual so they can fuck themselves and be happy too. :)
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
So you think polygamy is all about sex?
Oh and it's called polyandry where there are multiple husbands :)
MariamAlMakadov 2 years ago 2
I think it's about men being egotistical. Look at me! i can have four women but they can only have me.
Funny how if a man sleeps with several women, he's a freakin' divine hero; but if a woman sleeps with 4 men she's turned into a whore right away.
AnitaCheesecake 2 years ago
But most intelligent people I meet, thinks the guy who sleeps with several people is an asshole, and the woman who sleeps with several people is free. THAT goes both ways, luckily.
Petfal 2 years ago
Polygamy is marriage. It is about sex, as is monogamy, and about everything that monogamy is about, except denying each other to love others.
Polygamy is a gender neutral term that can mean multiple spouses, not saying anything about their genders. Polygyny is multiple wives.
Petfal 2 years ago
I,m the devil....come on to my way...
tonyshit80 2 years ago