Ok they made a comic of all super heroes going against the hulk and he still won...how would juggernaut beat him hulk is unstoppable only weakness he has is changing back to banner
@MrProteeus It's not as impressive as you make it sound. Many of those heroes wanted to help Hulk and didn't fight back. Hulk practically sucker punched people like Hercules and Dr. Strange. Iron Man only failed, because someone sabotaged his plans. WWH is basically a series of lucky events for the sucker punching Hulk. Juggernaut clearly kicked Hulks butt in this fight here. He hits Hulk 3 times, causes him to spit out blood and kicks his face into the dirt. Hulk ended up fleeing from Juggs.
@skilla20 The Surfer could easily drop Hulk into a black hole. Thus, killing Hulk. The Surfer also has sucked all the gamma radiation out of Hulk before, forcing him to take human form. At that point, anyone could kill him. Hulk just isn't on the same level has people like Superman or the Surfer. Hulk is more on the level of people like Magneto or Iron Man.
@Bloodthr0e A blackhole isn't killing Hulk. Surfer did those things decades ago when Hulk was clearly inferior to Surfer, recent comics (as in the last 10 years) show differently. When the Hulk is angry NO ONE is draining his power unless they are high end cosmics or can transport his energy elsewhere. Hulk would wreck Magneto or Iron Man that's a laughable claim.
@skilla20 A black hole isn't killing Hulk? SMH. You're the prime example of a Hulk fanboy, someone just as stupid as Hulk himself. Hulk loses to a fully powered Surfer everytime. Get over it. Mrtennessen even made a video explaining why. Go watch it and try not to hurt your brain by thinking, Hulk fanboy.
@Bloodthr0e Have you even read a Hulk comic from the last 10 years? Who has a blackhole actually killed in comics? Hulk himself has been through a blackhole and not died. It would hurt him yes but it isn't killing him. Furthermore why are you discussing Surfer here was you butthurt by one of the comments? Go to a Surfer video.
@skilla20 No physical matter can survive a black hole. The definition of a black hole is a force that crushes all physical matter into a microscopic point. Go back to grade school, noob. And it's funny that you would ask me why we are discussing the Surfer when I was only responding to your post where you asked how the surfer could easily kill Hulk. Go watch Mrtennessen's video where he explains it for idiots like you. Don't forget to go back to grade school either so you can learn basic science
@Bloodthr0e This isn't real life we are discussing fool these are comic books where characters can do and survive anything. Hulk has held a blackhole in his bare hands, been through one and survived as have several other characters. Surfer isn't killing Hulk in any way, shape or form.
@LeBearExtrordinare I dont need to do anything for you. I dont need to bring any proofs to you because i can win this debate in another way. But netherveless i would give you some proofs. And from now on i will not debate with you until ill bring you some proofs.
@skilla20 BTW Supes was pushing a planet against Starbreaskers telekinesis. He was able to give some trouble to Superboy-Prime who can break through Phantom Zone and so on. Superman held a book with infinite amount of pages. That feat >>>>>>>>>>>> anything Hulk did.
@MrJuggernautX Superboy Superman and Captain Marvel held up the book and then Ultraman held it up by himself. The book never had infinite weight, it was a magical book and had unknown properties to it. If you look at the feat they aren't even touching the book their hands are touching the magical field around it. Who knows what it weighed, it's not a quantifiable feat and is therefore unusable.
@skilla20 (3) Lastly, I dont want Juggs, or Hulk to win. I can care less either way. BUT any feats done by either person were merely created by a writer. Hulk / Juggs cant DO anything. A writer can infact kill Hulk, bring Him back, kill him again, erase Hulks histor(inside the comic storyline) bring it back, uncreat juggernaut, recreate him, etc etc etc. To top it off, Ive listed about 5-6 characters with INFINITE STR. Doesnt matter if you think its not possible. Marvel created them, so it is.
@Muaythai81 Go back to the comments before you first commented here,you will clearly see skilla,myself and others talking about writer influence in comics,also this debater is solely focused on Hulk v Juggernaut,not Hulk v Marvel Universe,so get the fuck out of here with your "im going off on a tangent" replies.Come face me on my videos instead of being a coward,btw i have skype but i prefer commenting to you on Youtube,i get my points across better in videos when people choose to be ignorant.
@Muaythai81 the only info we require,is you proving to us that juggernaut has infinite strength,look at the video title.Juggernaut v Hulk,it is not Hulk versus every marvel character,tell me what part of that do you not get???
@LeBearExtrordinare I already have. I can't help that you close your eyes while reading, and then stomp your feet like a child throwing a tantrum. Anyone with a computer can clearly see that Untold is synonomous with unlimited, boundless, countless, incalcuable. It doesnt need to say infinite if it says countless. It doesnt need to say unlimited if it says boundless. They mean the SAME thing. Like saying a door is shut, and a door is closed. different word, same meaning.
@LeBearExtrordinare I've done this, over and over and over and over. And the only thing you can say is," it doesnt say infinite or unlimited !!!!" What a crock of shit. not only have I proved that Juggernauts strength is Unlimited. Ive proved that there are others with infinite STR. Thus making Hulk NOT the strongest there is. Ive also already proven, that the writers determine the winner of this fight. Writer = outcome. period. The worst part, is I keep letting you troll me. Thats sad
@skilla20 Why Eternity was unable to beat Juggs to the death? She only teleported him. Also i remember a comic where Beyonder was unable to alter Juggernaut.
Oblivion who is on par with Eternity was unable to realy hurt Juggs and he was able to escape from Outer Void.
@MrJuggernautX Eternity didn't try and beat Juggernaut wtf? She banished him to another realm do you not listen?
I think your just chatting shit at this point, I had to tell you what comic it happened in and your trying to tell me what happened lmao.. Oblivion KILLED Juggernaut, then when he spat him out of his realm Cyttorak revived him. How is that a feat for Juggernaut? He DIED.
@skilla20 Its a free download. Dude its damn near 2012, this typing bullshit is obsolete. Besides, The conversation would go far faster with voice than it would thru the limited text space u have here on YT.
@Muaythai81 (4) oh, but with Skype, I could have said all this in like 1 minute, AND linked you all my sources of info, and with a click, u could have had them all at ur fingertips. Let me know if u want me to send you a PM with them all. I can do that too. Just dont waste my time like lebear, who ignores TOTALLY everything unless its something he can use for his case.
@Muaythai81 WOW,i already invited you to discuss this in the video "Juggernaut History" attached to this video,and you wont.i told you i would not comment here any more,and you decided to come talk a lot of shit AFTER i told you that.and you accuse me of ignorance???i called you out months ago,you failed then,you're failing now,so for the last time i openly challenge you to discuss this on my videos and prove to me that Juggernaut has Infinite strength,do you accept my challenge>>>cont.
@Muaythai81 I'm not ignoring anything if you have a problem with Lebear then that's between you and him. To be honest most of what you said here is pretty irrelevant. No offense.
@Muaythai81 Most. We don't debate what some website that can be edited by anyone says. We go by what happens in a comic book, that is where the proof lies, you should start reading some and then come back here.
@skilla20 Comics contradict themselves ALL THE TIME. Like Rulk KILLING Hulk. I guess his regen isnt that great is it? Well in Hulk # 398, he regened after vector smoked him in minutes. Tales to Astonish #73, took him about an hour to recover from sugery. Proof dude? Are you kidding? Comics as proof of what? That comics contradict themselves and change with the writer? Ya I'll give you that. but if you are saying comics show proof of anything, man, ur taking fiction WAY too serious.
@Muaythai81 You are obviously going to get conflicting stories at times but that's what happens when characters are upgraded, downgraded or a character has several different writers but generally they are consistent. To be fair when Rulk killed Hulk he pierced his heart, when Vector flayed his body away his heart was still intact.
We are talking about COMIC BOOK characters are we not? So why would you use any other source of info as proof? The books were there long before any website.
@skilla20 by which measure do you establish their power? Is Hulk killable? Or not? Where does it say anywhere if you pierce Hulks heart he dies? Skaar stabbed him in the heart, he didnt die then... again comics upgrade downgrade people all the time, my source of info, Official Marvel website, contains more information at the click of a button, than all the comics you own. it its simple a resource compiled, and for you to try to say that because its web based it doesnt count is silly.
@skilla20 also, The Marvel database is far more reliable than a comic. Where the interpretation of the writer can distort the actual character, or outdated material is no longer relevent. Just because paper comics have been around longer does not mean they are more reliable. Since I can with a google search, look up just about any comic book.
@Muaythai81 We as comic book fans know how powerful a character is, a bio on the internet is for people who are new to comic books and casual fans as are handbooks. There are many handbooks that have incorrect details like saying Hulk can lift approximately 100tons when he can lift far and away more than that. I know how powerful Juggernaut, Thor, Superman and Hulk are because I read the books they appear in. Not because of what some online bio tells me.
@skilla20 Wrong. Juggernaut / Hulk / aunt Mae can lift as much as the writer wants them to lift. You saying since you read comics you have some kinda insight I dont have is just plain silly. You only know what is presented to you. The books are written by different people with different "facts". Yet, the Bio i read says Hulk can has potentially limitless STR. You dont disagree with my facts when you like what it says, yet you disagree when you dont like the information.
@Muaythai81 A bio gives you a run down of their powers and some history of the character, the comic book shows me Hulk can beat Juggernaut or Superman can beat Doomsday and how strong they are which is what we are discussing here.
I never said anything of the sort, I said on occasion they contradict themselves but this is usually corrected via a retcon of some sort. You take every word at their literal meaning which is where you are going wrong.
@skilla20 Whats wrong with the Bio? You act like information online is not as credible as a comic. You JUST said, that comics contradict themselves all the time, yet somehow, they are reliable for information. Dude reliable, and contractions are not the same. You have yet to show me ANYTHING that is reliable and discredits all the info i sent to you in that PM. All you do is say, nope, that doesnt count. Just Bcoz u say ur right, doesnt mean you are. I have facts, you have assertions.
@Muaythai81 Silver Surfer can increase his strength to incalculable levels, all that means is that on Earth his strength cannot be measured. However if you read a comic book you would know Silver Surfer doesn't have infinite strength. Not all synonyms of the word can be used in place of it in every context, that's bad english. Bios are a good starting point but not all are up to date or 100% accurate, an internet bio isn't done by a writer or the creators of the characters.
@Muaythai81 For god sake your like a broken record, does great mean infinite? Does unable to be counted mean infinite? Does huge mean infinite? It isn't a number, strength cannot be counted. Do you not understand English does countless strength even make sense? No it does not just because a word is synonymous doesn't mean it can be used in any context.
@Muaythai81 Your whole point is a bio somehow overrides what happens in the comics when 1) a bio is based off what has happened in comic 2) it wasn't written by any writers or creators/editors etc 3) is only for informative purposes of a characters powers. The comic books show us the exact depth of a characters powers. Words like incalculable, immeasurable are synonymous with infinite yes but we know these characters do not have infinite based on their showings ON PANEL inconsistencies aside.
@skilla20@skilla20 Im not saying it over-rides anything. YOU are saying comics overrides bio. Im saying you cannot ignore the bio. The bio is just an overview of the character. kinda like in boxing. height, weight, reach, wins, loses. has no bearing on how they will perform in the comic, writers do that. The comic is them in action. The bio is just the stats. but you wont even accept the stats, which are true. U want to ignore them.
@Muaythai81 Also the heart is to the left of the chest Skaar stabbed him in the middle, you are starting to sound really uneducated. Skaar wasn't intending to kill Hulk either so there's also that.
We a HUMANS of course we know how strong we are, these guys are fictional characters who bench press entire planets how the hell can it be measured on Earth?Therefore their strength is left as incalculable. Guys like the Thing have a defined strength because his can be measured by weights on Earth.
@skilla20 so Imma just stop wating my time here. This reminds me too much of creationists who think the earth is 6-10k years old. And that snakes talk, noah gathered all the animals on earth and put them on 1 boat... i cannot argue with you. because nothing I say to you, will ever be good enough. Which is really sad, and I honestly dont know how a persons brain gets to be like that...
@Muaythai81 The Ark has been documented to be found, the Earth cannot be older than a few thousand years because the moon's rotation flexing away says so, and Noah only needed the young of each animal, not every breed. But also keep in mind that a single-celled organism has more parts, moving gears, synchronizing flow of data, and a complex set of blueprints than the most advanced space shuttle, and there is no evidence for evolution, which takes more faith as a religion to believe.
@WritingFighter Christ, I know fundies are ignorant, but you really take the cake. There is volumes of evidence for evolution. Any serious scientist knows that evolution is a fact, it's the mechanism by which it occurs which is somewhat up for debate (although natural selection does a pretty damned good job of that). What there is no evidence of, is anything from the bible. Hell, the bible can't even get the value of Pi right. Please keep science out of your superstitions.
@EOTE None of my evidence comes from a bible. Remember, Evolution came out of a theory that was just simply made up by a man. If Evolution exists, where's you're billions of years of missing links? Why are there human footprints alongside dinosaur footprints? Why is the magnetic field increasing in speed with the tilt of the earth, and how could the earth function even 1 mil years ago with such a slow rate? If the moon is getting further from the earth, how was it in the atmosphere so long ago?
@EOTE Why are there seashells on the tops of mountains? Why does Israel's camp described in the Book of Numbers form a giant cross? That the word for 'God' in ancient Hebrew is 3 nails and wood? Why are there chariot wheels and weapons around a flattened seabed surface where Israelites would've crossed the sea? Why do we use the Bible for archaeological references? When Israel was destroyed in 70 AD, how did the Bible predict it being a nation in the future(1948)? It's not proof you really want
@EOTE How did the earth exist with such a slow rate of movement from the magnetic field with the tilting axis even 1 mill years ago? Where's your billions of years of missing links between fauna and animals? How would the moon exist in the atmosphere since it's rate of rotation constantly grows away from the earth? Explain the earth's rotation being a few degrees away from the sun and it would be too cold to support life, same if it were too close, the planet would be too hot?
@EOTE Why haven't we seen any evolution in animals going extinct today, nothing adapts! When we move creatures into a new habitat things are simply destroyed, there is no adaptation. Why are there human footprints next to dinosaur footprints? Why are there living fossils (namely of plants)? Why is the complete DNA info of an entire species more info than what's your computer? Charles Darwin even Stephen Hawking are like Plato and Aristotle: Philosophers, people who sit around and theorize.
this asshead oughta be euthanized together with his non adapting friends... over thousands of years of evolution and humanity is just starting to pick apart its past... meanwhile hes babbling about missing links and shit his church propaganda told him to argue that there cant be any evolution. Fuck Creationism - another reason to leave church besides the horny pedo priests and megachurches and gayhating bullshit they spew on sundays.
@WritingFighter Quick q: How can you be completely opposed to evolution/ adaptation and say that Noah would not need each and every breed of animal? If not for adaptation, how/ why would we have different breeds now, by that logic?
@WritingFighter The Ark has not been found, tard-face. And even if you believe in religion, you have to believe in evolution. According to the bible, after the flood, the only humans alive were Noah and his family. This means all the different ethnicities of the human race-asian, black, native america, white, ect., evolved from one family. If you can believe that humans can change that much in 4000 years, you have to believe that new species can arise from millions/billions of years of evolution
@skilla20 Not only do you want to ignore the bio's I posted. but you ignore them, then quote the same information from them. As you did with the silver surfer. Actually, you quoted it exactly as I gave it to you. BUT before that you claim comic chars stats / bio's are Hyperbole. And are obvious exaggerations. Hyperole is like saying, I waited forever for the phones to ring. its an obviously not to be taken literally.
@skilla20 Incalc, means unable to be counted. TOO GREAT to be measured. That means infinite, unlimited etc. Synonyms: countless, without number, innumerable, infinite, multitudinous, vast, huge, immense, untold, inestimable, immeasurable, limitless. I love how you cherrypick words out of all those listed. Huge relates to physical size. And it not a measure of strength. however, terms like infinite ARE used by MARVEL to define chars such as hulks STR level.
@Muaythai81 So what you are saying is everytime the word incalculable is used it means infinite? What nonsense. All you are is a spinster nothing more. When I said Silver Surfers strength was incalculable I was going by a quote in a comic not by a bio, no comic book fan ever uses bios as proof, you go onto any comic forum using bios as proof of anything and you will be laughed of there.
@skilla20 (1) Tell me what comic book you got that SS info from. No, when using the word incalcuable does not ALWAYS mean infinite. The context is what matters. Like grains of sand on a beach. Its not infinite, just not able to be counted. but that is not how it was used for SS, or Ego, or the in-betweener or galactus. Its being implies that it goes too fay beyond measurement. In that sense, it is infinite. Or they would have used a different word for it.
@Muaythai81 Every comic that Silver Surfer has ever appeared in, that's where the proof of how much power he has lies. A bio will give a brief description of what his powers are and that's it, it says incalculable, cool, but to automatically assume it's infinite because of is this is wrong plain and simple. It's like your only reasoning is it's infinite because you say so and that they would have used a different word lol what?
@Muaythai81 Incalculable can be used as a way of simply saying his strength is great. Once Thor picked up a sword of incalculable weight, do you think the sword had infinite weight or that they were simply saying the sword was really heavy? Use your common sense for crying out loud. Yes exactly but huge is a synonym of incalculable is it not? You have just proved my point and the flaw in your logic, YOUR the one who is cherry picking to suit your hidden agenda.
@skilla20 You know. I know a girl like you. We talk about religion all the time. And I dont know why I do it. I explain to her all the time, all the inconsistant stories and scriptures, and nomatter what I say, she says the bible is without flaw. Just like Mormons, who think native americans come from some lost tribe of israel. When DNA evidense proves thats not the case. They still hold on to it as being right. Honestly. I dont know why I continue with this.
@Muaythai81 Dude I actually don't know what your point is... seriously. Bios are good to get background info on a character that is all, they do NOT overrule the comics though and how can they possibly when they are based off a comic in the first place. As I have already pointed out to you internet bios like the one you PM'd me can have glaring mistakes like the height of Hulk and Juggernaut I can bet you I would find plenty of others if I checked. Official Handbooks are more reliable.
@skilla20 Its clearly obvious, that nomatter what I say, even when I agree with you on points, you reject my information. NOmatter what I say, or how I show it, you reject the information. As to say if I dont get the information from the only source you approve, then its not valid. It doesnt matter that the info I have is the same as yours. But Im obviously retarded for continually coming back to this "debate" when its clear the only outcome the people here want to read is HULK SMASH.
@skilla20 AND, comics themselves are not 100% accurate. Especially When Skaar stabbed Hulk in the chest, I would say in the heart. he didnt Die. But Rulk does, and u say ," Oh he pierced his heart !!' and that somehow means hulk dies? Really bro? Really? Comics flip flop all the time. Contradictions. All the time. The fact that YOU just said SS can get to COUNTLESS STR, again means Hulk cannot be the strongest. Just because you add ON EARTH doesnt mean anything.
@Muaythai81 What the hell is even your point seriously? Characters don't randomly flip flop in power levels they are generally consistent with their average portrayals. Skaar stabbed Hulk in the middle of his chest it's quite clear in the scan. When Gladiator blasted Hulk with his heat vision, Hulk was worried the beam would reach his heart and that he would die. So it isn't the only occasion.
@Muaythai81 if something to too great in number to be counted. That implies infinite. Huge relates to size, and was not the word directly used. It is but one of SIMILAR words. Stop cherrypicking words. yes countless STR does manke sense. You have obviously never lifted weights before. You much count, weight, by pounds tons or w/e system you use. Counting = determine weight. Incalc is used in the context of being too vast, to great, without any finite or measurable limits. Period.
@Muaythai81 No it implies it POSSIBLE that the word be used to imply infinite but it in no way shape or form directly means infinite, incalculable itself does not have the DEFINITION of being infinite. That website you quoted has many mistakes and can be edited by anyone, for example it states Juggernaut is 9 ft 5 and Hulk is 7-8 ft. We know this is incorrect because Hulk is taller than Juggernaut, hell you can look at this video and see. Does Juggernaut look nearly 2 ft taller than Hulk?
@skilla20 (1) I've already explained all this, u can read it. Look back. Its Iron clad, irrefutable shit Ive laid out. Fact is, Marvel is THE final say. If Marvel says hulks green. He's green. Doesnt matter what color we think would look best. Marvel defines each character. I have already proven that not only is hulk not the strongest there is. But that the writers can choose the winner / loser of any fight. Thats just the truth. So in this fight whoever the writer wants to win will win.
@skilla20 (2) If you can't admit that, then it doesnt matter what information I give you, you'll choose - Insert name - nomatter what. Hulks strength is POTENTIALLY limitless. Potential and actual are 2 different things. Just because you have the potential to become a doctor, or a lawyer, doesnt mean you ARE one. Where does my information come from? Marvels official webpage. And if you or Lebear, says that information from Marvel isnt enough, then info from comics isnt either.
@skilla20 Odin is near omnipotent? Why he was stomped by celestials then?
As i remember, it was not a stalemate.
Hulk was able to kill or beat somebody on par with Silver Surfer? What feats they have to put them on par with one who can easily vanish stars, create black holes, absorb near limitless amount of energy etc?
@MrJuggernautX Because back in those days Celestials were the top dogs but now skyfathers like Odin and Zeus are near the top of the food chain.
"As you remember" you don't read comics so try to portray as if you have the book, Dormammu stalemated Galactus in his realm. I don't even know why your bringing up Dormammu he would shit all over Nightmare.
Someone who beat Silver Surfer and Merged Hulk (the same Hulk that punched up Juggernaut) at the same time. That's serious power.
for anybody who has not seen the Comic fights prior to one shown in Mr Tennessens video,you will be able to view them all on my channel by tomorrow,plus Information on Juggernaut,Cyttorak,The onslaught saga and The Incredible Hulk.
@LeBearExtrordinare Also, I find it very, very strange that you keep saying prove juggernaut is stronger than hulk. Infinity cannot be greater than infinity. neither is stronger than the other. How hard is that to understand?
@LeBearExtrordinare I will extend the offer to you. Im off work this weekend. I can dismantle you live, on skype. hit me up with an ID. Im sure u wont, but, at least I offered.
@skilla20 Nightmare defeated Eternity just like classic Dormammu did and was even more powerful stacking Eternitys powers too his own that even Dr. Strange could not beat him forcing Dr. Strange to summon the Juggernaut as a last resort that actually payed off, am i right?
@MrJuggernautX No Eternity ALLOWED Nightmare to imprison her I have the book kid. Dormammu is far more powerful than Nightmare lol, he has stalemated Galactus before.
Dr. Strange used Juggernaut as a distraction so that he could free Eternity to which she replied that she didn't need saving then she easily defeats Nightmare and sends Juggernaut to another dimension. That is what happened.
@skilla20 They are not even near omnipotent. They are just galaxy busters. And what Hulks feat can prove he is stronger then Superman, or Superboy-Prime, or Doomsday, or Darkseid, or Thanos, or any humanoid character?
Black Adam took on entire JLA in the past.
A Superman is a character of DC universe. There are a lot of time lines in Marvel and DC. So you are wrong.
@MrJuggernautX Hulk went to the Dark Dimension and defeated an entire race of Mindless Ones that even Umar couldn't beat aswell as several other powerful characters one being on par with Silver Surfer AND destroyed the entire planet they were on aswell as damaging a nearby planet all in one attack. Superman has never (except Silver Age) displayed that kind of raw power. No single character under skyfather levels can match Hulks feats in strength.
@MrJuggernautX and mentioning the background looked "funny" proves nothing,especially after i described and mentioned that Onslaught warped the X-MEN mansion to 1)prevent juggernaut from escaping 2)To lead juggernaut straight to him.What i see in those illustrations is Onslaught Forcibly removing the gem with his fingers(confirmed in Juggernauts Bio's),as for the "Funny" background?it's more like a barrier preventing any one from interfering with Onslaughts business.nothing more.
@LeBearExtrordinare That clap-counter attack wasnt a universe-busting attack. Where did Stan Lee agrees with that? And it was not proved that attacks of them BOTH destroyed that universe.
Juggernaut withstood attacks from universe-busters.
@MrJuggernautX "Juggernaut withstood attacks from universe-busters." proof please,i want actual scans of Juggernaut withstanding Universe busting attacks.
"Waiting for proof that Zeus de-powered him since i didnt see such thing in that comic."
actually i want proof from you,you must post scans of the entire fight,and prove that Zeus did not de-power Hulk.if you dont back up any of your replies with actual scans and issue numbers then you have lost your side of the debate.
@MrJuggernautX "That clap-counter attack wasnt a universe-busting attack. Where did Stan Lee agrees with that? And it was not proved that attacks of them BOTH destroyed that universe."
2:56 of the video,confirmation that Hulk and Night-crawlers fight destroyed that Universe.Stan lee was editor of that Arc.Regarding Onslaught,Proof please,i want scans that prove Onslaught actually used a mental probe to remove the gem.continue>
@MrJuggernautX Okay i want you to prove with feats(scans and issue numbers are required),that juggernaut is indeed Stronger than Hulk all round.if you reply to me with your normal spiel,you have lost your argument on the grounds of lack of proof and too much opinion,this is my last reply to you now.You have chosen to remain ignorant on the subject after being provided with more than enough proof that Hulks strength Exceed's Juggernauts,so its going to be like this from now on >no proof?no reply.
@skilla20 Juggernaut dont need feats - Hulk never overcome his durability and strength in fair fights. So it actuely proves that Juggernaut is a great thread to Hulk.
Juggernaut allmost defeated Nightmare if i not mistake. I will try to find it and re-read.
And there are a lot of such things in comics. Example - Gaea gave to Hercules a power to manipulate a multiverse once.
@MrJuggernautX Of course you need feats how else are you going to compare strength.
Odin recently fought Galactus and badly hurt him, Zeus also fought Galactus in the Chaos War and did well. Being "only" a galaxy buster does not stop one from being NEAR omnipotent, plus Odin has destroyed far more than a galaxy.
Juggernaut stalemated Nightmare with powers he no longer has, Hulk beat Nightmare and has beaten Mephisto.
@LeBearExtrordinare That video means nothing. It was mental probe. You can even see something strange around Onslaught and Juggs - some shit with colors. I hope you understand me.
Juggernaut can call upon Cyttoraks unlimited powers. And Cyttorak gives him limitless kinetic energy.
And Gem is not inside him since he was able to hold it in his hends, throu it into space etc.
JrJr is only one Marvel writer. He was not only one who wrote WWH. And there are a lot of writers in Marvel.
@skilla20 Zeus, Odin, Superboy-Prime, Superman, SA Superman, Black Adam, Doomsday, Despero, classic Juggernaut, Mangog etc. My list will be just too long. Hulk is not physically the strongest comic character.
@MrJuggernautX Zeus and Odin are skyfathers who have near omnipotent power, I'm talking about "normal" characters. Superman is not stronger than Hulk, he doesn't have any strength feat that surpasses Hulk's best, Black Adam is probably weaker than Superman, Juggernaut doesn't have the feats, Mangog was recently defeated by Thunderstrike iirc. SA Superman doesn't even exist and Doomsday is roughly about as strong as Superman. None can reach the levels Hulk can.
@skilla20 Few magical spells man, only few. The main thing was his durability. And Oblivion used his powers on Juggernaut to arase him from existance.
Well, classic Nightmare imprisoned Eternity, that is impressive. As i remember, Eternity amped him, ill try to find a scan.
Reality was shaking when 2 Supermans were fighting.
@MrJuggernautX Eternity allowed itself to be imprisoned it even states this in the book. You seriously think a lower end demon has the power to imprison an abstract concept, that's laughable.
Hulk and Thor have reality shaking feats too.
Hulk beat Nightmare and was destroying his realm until Strange saved him. You might not like it but Juggernaut can't compare to someone like Hulk in strength, he has nowhere near the level of feats that Hulkie has.
@skilla20 To be honest, i didnt read that comic about Red She Hulk and Hulk. But i remember it was debatable if they destroyed the entire planet. Can you give me scans of it?
The reality was tearing apart because of Supermans fight. And Hulk is not strongest there is because there are a lot of characters that can overpower him.
Juggernaut withstood attacks from Eternity-amped classic Nightmare, Oblivion and Eternity, if i not mistake. Those are incredible feats of durability.
There was a lot of context in that story which allowed to the events play out the way it did. On the other hand Hulk was caught in a time storm and punched straight through it, how the hell do you punch through time? Red She-Hulk punched her way out of a dimension too.
It wasn't debatable because you see the planet exploding, i'll PM you the scans of each feat.
I never said Hulk destroyed the dimension by himself but when has Superman destroyed a dimension in a fight?
@MrJuggernautX Name me a humanoid character who is physically stronger than Hulk?
What proof do you have Eternity amped Nightmare? Plus when Juggy fought him he could cast magical spells to protect himself he can't do that anymore. Juggernaut has never fought Oblivion and Eternity never attacked him she just transported him to another realm.
@skilla20 A humanoid stronger than Hulk? Thats not a valid question. For one, there are many marvel characters with infinite STR. And having infinite STR means its cannot be topped. Since Hulks STR is only POTENTIALLY infinite. those 2 + galactus + ego Are stronger than Hulk from the start. Which obviously means, since you cannot exceed infinity, Hulks STR is lower than all those I listed. Scroll back a few pages, ive already explained this. And Im sure ur brighter than Lebear.
@Muaythai81 Galactus isn't a humanoid and prove Ego is stronger than Hulk.
I never said Hulk had infinite strength either, in fact having "infinite" strength is a flawed concept in itself. Hulk has unlimited strength yes, unlimited and infinite are actually not the same.
hey thanks for the reply. How isnt Galactus a Humanoid? He has 2 arms, 2 legs, ears nose mouth, and everything else that resembles a Human... Thats Humanoid. Hell, most characters in marvel are humanoids. now, about proving that he is AS STRONG as Hulk, easy. marvel,com/universe/Ego -- Look under his powers and read what it says. As I have said many times, the writer can any character do anything, but if u want to read what marvel officials says its right there.
@Muaythai81 That isn't his true form, he can resemble any shape.
I asked you for proof not what a bio says, plus all it says is incalculable.. you do know Hulk's strength has been stated as this for the past 50 years? How is that proof?
@Muaythai81 In some cases yes but in this case Hulk can increase his strength with no predetermined limit, the only limit being himself that is having unlimited strength. Having infinite strength suggests his strength goes on forever which it doesn't. If you had two Hulk's that had infinite strength neither would beat the other but if both had unlimited strength depending on who's strength has increased the quickest, it's possible for one to win.
@Muaythai81 quote "And Im sure ur brighter than Lebear." But do you not find it ironic,that i am smarter than you?
Hey,just because you cant prove that Juggernaut is stronger than Hulk and also the fact you struggle with word definitions,There is no need to go judging me by your standards.
@MrJuggernautX Your arguing the point that Hulk did not destroy that universe,What the video actually states is that Hulk uses a universe Busting counter attack(true story),stan lee confirms that The fight itself caused the destruction of that Universe,Fact is both of them destroyed it,Pray tell,when has Juggernaut destroyed a Universe or been involved in a fight that caused that kind of destruction?like never.
@skilla20 He was scared of being defeated by War since he could want to prove he is the strongest.
So they turned Onslaughts powers against him and you write that Onslaughts defeat is actuely a high feat for Hulk? 0_0
Superman punched through time and Hulk didnt destroy universe by himself. It was their fight that destroy universe and it could be a Darkcrawler who caused such distruction. There were no proofs it was Hulk who did it.
@MrJuggernautX Okay so you basically agree with me now, that wasn't so hard was it :)
They stopped him from using his powers against them they didn't use his own power against him though. Hulk was the only one capable of destroying Onslaughts body and almost every available hero aswell as many villains were gathered to try and defeat him.
When has Superman punched through time? If your referring to Final Crisis the timeline was in a state of flux hence why their memories were being played out.
@MrJuggernautX You know the biggest problem i find talking about comics to you,is the fact you have read about 2% of the stories you mentioned,But more worrying is the fact you are starting to make stuff up and worse of all is your inability or incredible ignorance to acknowledge we are right on several things you argued against,you have argued against John romita jr and the actual comics,you provided absolutely no proof to support any of your points other than misquoted stories you never seen.
@LeBearExtrordinare BTW Thor did not truly admit that he could never defeat Hulk. He told that to gauge Hulks ego to strike a BFRing blow. Thor defeated him by BFR.
@MrJuggernautX regarding Thor v Nul.in fairness to Thor,he had to content with a lot of shit right before that fight.But i dont think it was Thor was playing off Hulks Ego,remember it was Thor who hit the roof,when Hulk said he knew all along Thor could'nt beat him.Regarding Thortards,the same idiots that say shit like "oh hulk cant lift thors hammer"LOL,i remember when Thor could'nt lift his own Hammer,for crying out loud XD read more comics,i say ;)
@MrJuggernautX "why he was easily defeated by Zeus in a fist fight?" easy question,Zeus de-powered him,Zeus was way to clever to go and take Hulk on in a Normal fist fight ;)
Ironically,Hulk was not there to fight and was attacked by Olympian monsters.good issue though :)
@LeBearExtrordinare And in their fight (fair fights) Juggernaut allways knock him around. Green Scar, who actuely was very angry (next step in Hulks evolution and insane level of anger because of Hulks wifes death) could not beat him. He BFRed him because he just could not beat him.
@LeBearExtrordinare Oblivion cant kill him, Thors Godblast cant even scratch him (but Godblast made Galactus flee, damaged Exitars armor and killed mangog who would eat Hulk on breakfest), Cyclops planet ripping blast only made Juggernaut laugh etc. Can Hulk kill Mangog or damage Exitars armor by his punches, even if he would be super angry? I dont think so. Hulk didnt show enough power to overcome Juggs durability.
@LeBearExtrordinare As i remember, Trion Gods used Cyttoraks powers (distructive aspect). And that was enough to make him truly unstoppable, involnurable etc. Also he was able to destroy universes by his punches.
@MrJuggernautX He defeated a near Celestial level threat in Onslaught, punched through time, destroyed an entire dimension in his fight with Darkcrawler, when he fought the Red She-Hulk recently they destroyed the entire planet they were on and heavily damaged another just from the impact of their punches. Superman is strong as hell but he can't hit the heights that Hulk can, he is the strongest there is.
@MrJuggernautX But why would he be scared if he wasn't hurt.. cumon dude even you can admit he was hurt by War Hulk.
IIRC the heroes used devices created by Iron Man and Black Panther that dampened Onslaughts reality and telekinetic powers against them. That's how in the end they were able to attack him without being destroyed.
@MrJuggernautX Cable and Storm shut down his mind and KO'ed him. Storm could never kill Hulk.
Hulk has held a black hole too in a Defenders issue, he also punched through time. I'll PM you the scans. Superman can't compare to Hulk's strength feats. Even Wonder Woman knocked Juggernaut out and she is not on Hulk's strength level. Marvel don't view Juggy as the strongest or toughest only you do and it's Marvel that write the books not you.
@MrJuggernautX it was actually a combination of both the trions power and Cyttoraks that allowed it to breach dimensional walls,Cyttorak nor Cain were in control of the trion,that itself proves that Cyttorak has LIMITED power.Look at the Thor v Hulk video and you will see Hulk physically grabbing a singularity to save the defenders,i suspect that your opinion is getting very anti-hulk,seeing as you are comparing him with superman and thor on a Juggernaut/Hulk Video,whats up with that?
@MrJuggernautX Venom was amped he wasn't at 30 ton levels, why are you even debating when you haven't read books of the characters your talking about. Venom was amped but he was still weaker than Hulk and Juggernaut ran from him, Hulk would never run from a fight.
Onslaught was already using his reality warping powers when he created the second sun and to fight the rest of the heroes so Hulk was able to get close to him and fight hand to hand. Juggernaut was KO'ed, Hulk won. Hulk>Juggernaut.
@MrJuggernautX trion used a combination of its own power and the power it stole from cyttorak,but cain nor cyttorak had control over the trion,thus in itself proving that Cyttorak does NOT have unlimited power.And no storm did not kill Hulk,she just floored him while nate grey was inside Hulks head trying to break Onslaughts Mental hold on him.i suspect that your Opinion is now falling into an anti-hulk point of view,why are you comparing him with superman and Thor feats on a juggernaut video
@skilla20 Umm... He could be impressed by War Hulks power and he coul stop him from cutting his head at the moment of attack. Re-read comic. And he could not speak because he just didnt want to. And i repeat - its just your opinion. Juggernaut could trying to find his helmet, or something else. realy - its just your opinion, not a fact.
I called things PIS when 30 tonner (at max) can beat a being that withstood reality-tearing attacks and have 100+ strength level.
@MrJuggernautX So your response to Hulk punching Juggernaut to the ground, standing over him while bragging how much more powerful than Juggernaut he is while Juggs is struggling to speak (because he was hurt), removing Juggs helmet, telling him he is about to be decapitated but being stopped because Absorbing Man attacked him and us not seeing Juggs return to his feet pages later is... because he was amazed at Hulk's power? LOL. Do you not see how ludicrous your excuses are?
@MrJuggernautX ah PIS(the diplomatic immunity card for Fanboys) they should change it to FIS>>>Fanboy induced stupidity.
or better yet,stop talking about comics if you cant accept your favorite comic characters inevitable defeat,God i miss the good old days,when people actually knew what they were talking about :(
@MrJuggernautX Read what i said about Onslaught,Thats what actually happened.you want another comic that depicts the gem inside cains chest?Try the Trion story also ;)
"it means nothing since we need 100% facts.">>>speak for yourself,i dont need anything,i have it right here.Again when you read the Bio,you will see,Trion WAS not Cyttorak or Cain.and NO cyttorak does not have Limitless power ;)
@MrJuggernautX "Why were you banned from Comicvine?" because i posted a scan of Bishop Physically knocking Juggernaut out (in a canon comic mind you) and also one of Thing stopping Juggernaut from achieving his goal by tripping him up in secret wars 2 XD I was also banned from KMC because i posted scans of Thor getting Whooped by Onslaught (twice) many thanks to fernando072295 and attitudeadjustment for that one.
@LeBearExtrordinare "Using last part of strength" is that right? I dont remember, but netherveless, it proves nothing since it we dont know if it means exactly physical strength. And Trion Juggernaut proves it wasnt Juggs limit.
@LeBearExtrordinare Onslaught did it by using his mental powers. Read what i wrote here again. And i wanna see a comic (not from Onslaught saga) where Crimson Gem is inside Cains chest.
Maybe, maybe... it means nothing since we need 100% facts.
I know that Trion Juggernaut is - Trion Gods using one of Cyttoraks power aspect. That clearly proves Cyttorak can give Juggernaut a limitless power.
@MrJuggernautX Read what i said about Onslaught,Thats what actually happened.you want another comic that depicts the gem inside cains chest?Try the Trion story also ;)
"it means nothing since we need 100% facts.">>>speak for yourself,i dont need anything,i have it right here.Again when you read the Bio,you will see,Trion WAS not Cyttorak or Cain.and NO cyttorak does not have Limitless power ;)
@MrJuggernautX Read what i wrote on Onslaught,Thats what actually happened.You want another example of a depiction of the gem in Cains Chest?LOL,you just mentioned it,the trion story,BTW they are not the only times XD "it means nothing since we need 100% facts".speak for yourself,i have all the proof i need right here.ROFL that trion gods statement is Hilarious>>>>continue.
@LeBearExtrordinare Onslaught mentioned thet Cain is undistructible when he has a control over gem. Also, Cain himself can control gem - its about his emotional state.
Hulk is not a telepath or reality warper. And Onslaught did that because of mental probe.
Onlslaught>>>Kill you,cain marko?what a splendid idea!But how is that possible?You're protected by the Crimson gem of Cyttorak.as Long as it stays Bonded to you,your indestructable!(Onslaught then rips the gem from Cains Chest)
Onslaught(holding the Gem)>>>so long as.Thats it,Marko.whimper.Beg for my mercy.
sell me your dreamcast! lol
brownie1982ad 4 hours ago
Honestly if written correctly the fight would be a endless stalemate
brownie1982ad 4 hours ago
Ok they made a comic of all super heroes going against the hulk and he still won...how would juggernaut beat him hulk is unstoppable only weakness he has is changing back to banner
MrProteeus 1 day ago
@MrProteeus It's not as impressive as you make it sound. Many of those heroes wanted to help Hulk and didn't fight back. Hulk practically sucker punched people like Hercules and Dr. Strange. Iron Man only failed, because someone sabotaged his plans. WWH is basically a series of lucky events for the sucker punching Hulk. Juggernaut clearly kicked Hulks butt in this fight here. He hits Hulk 3 times, causes him to spit out blood and kicks his face into the dirt. Hulk ended up fleeing from Juggs.
Bloodthr0e 17 hours ago
@Bloodthr0e blinders on mate?
brownie1982ad 4 hours ago
idiot juggernaut can beat the heck out of xmen , fantastic 4 , he can beat everyone exept for hulk
ausrai 4 days ago
WHY THE FUCK is a religious prick the top comment ? whats wrong with youtube?
USEYAHOO 5 days ago
Juggernaut is same strenght as Hulk
money123456111 1 week ago
@money123456111 hulks strength is endless he is stronger
OGTheDemon 5 days ago
@skilla20 No, not the top dogs.
There are a lot of PIS in comics, you know. Silver Surfer can easily kill any Hulk in less then a second.
I have a lot of business. Why do you think i need to remember anything?
She banished when she can manipulate reality. Why she didnt kill Juggs (he is a villain)?
Juggernaut died, then he was revived. So how Hulk suppose to knock him out?
BTW Supes can take out the whole army of Hulks, if there will be no PIS.
MrJuggernautX 3 weeks ago
@MrJuggernautX
You don't even know what PIS is.
How could Surfer kill Hulk easily? And who cares this is about Hulk vs Juggernaut, got to a Hulk vs Surfer video if you want to discuss that.
Eternity isn't evil and doesn't kill, she also did indirectly kill Juggernaut anyway by sending him to that dimension where he died.
What does KOing someone have to do with killing them? This isn't a fight to the death.
Superman has been KO'ed by people far weaker than Hulk. Stfu you know nothing troll.
skilla20 2 weeks ago
@skilla20 The Surfer could easily drop Hulk into a black hole. Thus, killing Hulk. The Surfer also has sucked all the gamma radiation out of Hulk before, forcing him to take human form. At that point, anyone could kill him. Hulk just isn't on the same level has people like Superman or the Surfer. Hulk is more on the level of people like Magneto or Iron Man.
Bloodthr0e 3 days ago
@Bloodthr0e A blackhole isn't killing Hulk. Surfer did those things decades ago when Hulk was clearly inferior to Surfer, recent comics (as in the last 10 years) show differently. When the Hulk is angry NO ONE is draining his power unless they are high end cosmics or can transport his energy elsewhere. Hulk would wreck Magneto or Iron Man that's a laughable claim.
skilla20 2 days ago
@skilla20 A black hole isn't killing Hulk? SMH. You're the prime example of a Hulk fanboy, someone just as stupid as Hulk himself. Hulk loses to a fully powered Surfer everytime. Get over it. Mrtennessen even made a video explaining why. Go watch it and try not to hurt your brain by thinking, Hulk fanboy.
Bloodthr0e 2 days ago
@Bloodthr0e Have you even read a Hulk comic from the last 10 years? Who has a blackhole actually killed in comics? Hulk himself has been through a blackhole and not died. It would hurt him yes but it isn't killing him. Furthermore why are you discussing Surfer here was you butthurt by one of the comments? Go to a Surfer video.
skilla20 1 day ago
@skilla20 No physical matter can survive a black hole. The definition of a black hole is a force that crushes all physical matter into a microscopic point. Go back to grade school, noob. And it's funny that you would ask me why we are discussing the Surfer when I was only responding to your post where you asked how the surfer could easily kill Hulk. Go watch Mrtennessen's video where he explains it for idiots like you. Don't forget to go back to grade school either so you can learn basic science
Bloodthr0e 1 day ago
@Bloodthr0e This isn't real life we are discussing fool these are comic books where characters can do and survive anything. Hulk has held a blackhole in his bare hands, been through one and survived as have several other characters. Surfer isn't killing Hulk in any way, shape or form.
skilla20 14 hours ago
@Bloodthr0e science? Comic books?
brownie1982ad 4 hours ago
aburres hablas tanto
percy128sub 1 month ago
You guys on here arguing need to remember the jug got his powers removed he can now only lift about 100 tons
PCstunna101 1 month ago
@PCstunna101 Hey thanks for that info, where did you get it
Muaythai81 1 month ago
To everybody else,Happy New Year.i had fun debating here,take care and goodbye :)
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare I dont need to do anything for you. I dont need to bring any proofs to you because i can win this debate in another way. But netherveless i would give you some proofs. And from now on i will not debate with you until ill bring you some proofs.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@skilla20 BTW Supes was pushing a planet against Starbreaskers telekinesis. He was able to give some trouble to Superboy-Prime who can break through Phantom Zone and so on. Superman held a book with infinite amount of pages. That feat >>>>>>>>>>>> anything Hulk did.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Superboy Superman and Captain Marvel held up the book and then Ultraman held it up by himself. The book never had infinite weight, it was a magical book and had unknown properties to it. If you look at the feat they aren't even touching the book their hands are touching the magical field around it. Who knows what it weighed, it's not a quantifiable feat and is therefore unusable.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 (3) Lastly, I dont want Juggs, or Hulk to win. I can care less either way. BUT any feats done by either person were merely created by a writer. Hulk / Juggs cant DO anything. A writer can infact kill Hulk, bring Him back, kill him again, erase Hulks histor(inside the comic storyline) bring it back, uncreat juggernaut, recreate him, etc etc etc. To top it off, Ive listed about 5-6 characters with INFINITE STR. Doesnt matter if you think its not possible. Marvel created them, so it is.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Go back to the comments before you first commented here,you will clearly see skilla,myself and others talking about writer influence in comics,also this debater is solely focused on Hulk v Juggernaut,not Hulk v Marvel Universe,so get the fuck out of here with your "im going off on a tangent" replies.Come face me on my videos instead of being a coward,btw i have skype but i prefer commenting to you on Youtube,i get my points across better in videos when people choose to be ignorant.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Prove they have infinite strength
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Sure no problem, I'll send you a PM with all the info.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 the only info we require,is you proving to us that juggernaut has infinite strength,look at the video title.Juggernaut v Hulk,it is not Hulk versus every marvel character,tell me what part of that do you not get???
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare I already have. I can't help that you close your eyes while reading, and then stomp your feet like a child throwing a tantrum. Anyone with a computer can clearly see that Untold is synonomous with unlimited, boundless, countless, incalcuable. It doesnt need to say infinite if it says countless. It doesnt need to say unlimited if it says boundless. They mean the SAME thing. Like saying a door is shut, and a door is closed. different word, same meaning.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare I've done this, over and over and over and over. And the only thing you can say is," it doesnt say infinite or unlimited !!!!" What a crock of shit. not only have I proved that Juggernauts strength is Unlimited. Ive proved that there are others with infinite STR. Thus making Hulk NOT the strongest there is. Ive also already proven, that the writers determine the winner of this fight. Writer = outcome. period. The worst part, is I keep letting you troll me. Thats sad
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare
Incalculable Defined
ADJECTIVE
1. too great to measure: too great or numerous to be measured
2. impossible to foresee: too uncertain to assess or plan for in advance
Synonyms: countless, without number, innumerable, infinite, multitudinous, vast, huge, immense, untold, inestimable, immeasurable, limitless
bing,com dictionary.
Take you less than 30 seconds. And anyone else reading this can verify it for themselves.
Checkmate.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 Why Eternity was unable to beat Juggs to the death? She only teleported him. Also i remember a comic where Beyonder was unable to alter Juggernaut.
Oblivion who is on par with Eternity was unable to realy hurt Juggs and he was able to escape from Outer Void.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Eternity didn't try and beat Juggernaut wtf? She banished him to another realm do you not listen?
I think your just chatting shit at this point, I had to tell you what comic it happened in and your trying to tell me what happened lmao.. Oblivion KILLED Juggernaut, then when he spat him out of his realm Cyttorak revived him. How is that a feat for Juggernaut? He DIED.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20
Awwww, come on.... I offered to debate you guys live on skype.. and I get no reply?
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 I don't have skype bro
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Its a free download. Dude its damn near 2012, this typing bullshit is obsolete. Besides, The conversation would go far faster with voice than it would thru the limited text space u have here on YT.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 I'm not going to download Skype to talk to a random guy over the internet bro lol. What point are you even trying to make?
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 I guess you would rather txt message somr random guy over the internet. Hey w/e floats ur boat
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 (4) oh, but with Skype, I could have said all this in like 1 minute, AND linked you all my sources of info, and with a click, u could have had them all at ur fingertips. Let me know if u want me to send you a PM with them all. I can do that too. Just dont waste my time like lebear, who ignores TOTALLY everything unless its something he can use for his case.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 WOW,i already invited you to discuss this in the video "Juggernaut History" attached to this video,and you wont.i told you i would not comment here any more,and you decided to come talk a lot of shit AFTER i told you that.and you accuse me of ignorance???i called you out months ago,you failed then,you're failing now,so for the last time i openly challenge you to discuss this on my videos and prove to me that Juggernaut has Infinite strength,do you accept my challenge>>>cont.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 I'm not ignoring anything if you have a problem with Lebear then that's between you and him. To be honest most of what you said here is pretty irrelevant. No offense.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 oh, and please, let me know what I have said thats irrevent
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Most. We don't debate what some website that can be edited by anyone says. We go by what happens in a comic book, that is where the proof lies, you should start reading some and then come back here.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Comics contradict themselves ALL THE TIME. Like Rulk KILLING Hulk. I guess his regen isnt that great is it? Well in Hulk # 398, he regened after vector smoked him in minutes. Tales to Astonish #73, took him about an hour to recover from sugery. Proof dude? Are you kidding? Comics as proof of what? That comics contradict themselves and change with the writer? Ya I'll give you that. but if you are saying comics show proof of anything, man, ur taking fiction WAY too serious.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 You are obviously going to get conflicting stories at times but that's what happens when characters are upgraded, downgraded or a character has several different writers but generally they are consistent. To be fair when Rulk killed Hulk he pierced his heart, when Vector flayed his body away his heart was still intact.
We are talking about COMIC BOOK characters are we not? So why would you use any other source of info as proof? The books were there long before any website.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 by which measure do you establish their power? Is Hulk killable? Or not? Where does it say anywhere if you pierce Hulks heart he dies? Skaar stabbed him in the heart, he didnt die then... again comics upgrade downgrade people all the time, my source of info, Official Marvel website, contains more information at the click of a button, than all the comics you own. it its simple a resource compiled, and for you to try to say that because its web based it doesnt count is silly.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 also, The Marvel database is far more reliable than a comic. Where the interpretation of the writer can distort the actual character, or outdated material is no longer relevent. Just because paper comics have been around longer does not mean they are more reliable. Since I can with a google search, look up just about any comic book.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 We as comic book fans know how powerful a character is, a bio on the internet is for people who are new to comic books and casual fans as are handbooks. There are many handbooks that have incorrect details like saying Hulk can lift approximately 100tons when he can lift far and away more than that. I know how powerful Juggernaut, Thor, Superman and Hulk are because I read the books they appear in. Not because of what some online bio tells me.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Wrong. Juggernaut / Hulk / aunt Mae can lift as much as the writer wants them to lift. You saying since you read comics you have some kinda insight I dont have is just plain silly. You only know what is presented to you. The books are written by different people with different "facts". Yet, the Bio i read says Hulk can has potentially limitless STR. You dont disagree with my facts when you like what it says, yet you disagree when you dont like the information.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 A bio gives you a run down of their powers and some history of the character, the comic book shows me Hulk can beat Juggernaut or Superman can beat Doomsday and how strong they are which is what we are discussing here.
I never said anything of the sort, I said on occasion they contradict themselves but this is usually corrected via a retcon of some sort. You take every word at their literal meaning which is where you are going wrong.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 I think the problem is, yes, I am taking words for what they actually mean, and not what i want them to mean to fit a given situation
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 Whats wrong with the Bio? You act like information online is not as credible as a comic. You JUST said, that comics contradict themselves all the time, yet somehow, they are reliable for information. Dude reliable, and contractions are not the same. You have yet to show me ANYTHING that is reliable and discredits all the info i sent to you in that PM. All you do is say, nope, that doesnt count. Just Bcoz u say ur right, doesnt mean you are. I have facts, you have assertions.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 if you know just how powerful each of those characters why... Tell me. EXACTLY. how powerful are they?
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Silver Surfer can increase his strength to incalculable levels, all that means is that on Earth his strength cannot be measured. However if you read a comic book you would know Silver Surfer doesn't have infinite strength. Not all synonyms of the word can be used in place of it in every context, that's bad english. Bios are a good starting point but not all are up to date or 100% accurate, an internet bio isn't done by a writer or the creators of the characters.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 What does Incalculable mean?
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Unable to be calculated, countless, very numerous, great etc.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 yes, it does. SYNONOMOUS with countless, without number, innumerable, infinite, multitudinous, vast, huge, immense, untold, inestimable, immeasurable, limitless
just like closed is syn. with shut, locked,fastened, barred, sealed, secure. etc etc etc...
ur only proving my point BTW.
as I have already linked you all these definitions in my PM to you
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 For god sake your like a broken record, does great mean infinite? Does unable to be counted mean infinite? Does huge mean infinite? It isn't a number, strength cannot be counted. Do you not understand English does countless strength even make sense? No it does not just because a word is synonymous doesn't mean it can be used in any context.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Sigh.... what a waste of time./\
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Your whole point is a bio somehow overrides what happens in the comics when 1) a bio is based off what has happened in comic 2) it wasn't written by any writers or creators/editors etc 3) is only for informative purposes of a characters powers. The comic books show us the exact depth of a characters powers. Words like incalculable, immeasurable are synonymous with infinite yes but we know these characters do not have infinite based on their showings ON PANEL inconsistencies aside.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 @skilla20 Im not saying it over-rides anything. YOU are saying comics overrides bio. Im saying you cannot ignore the bio. The bio is just an overview of the character. kinda like in boxing. height, weight, reach, wins, loses. has no bearing on how they will perform in the comic, writers do that. The comic is them in action. The bio is just the stats. but you wont even accept the stats, which are true. U want to ignore them.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 Skar stabbed him in the middle of the chest... where the hell do you think the Human heart is at man? Are you kidding me?
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Also the heart is to the left of the chest Skaar stabbed him in the middle, you are starting to sound really uneducated. Skaar wasn't intending to kill Hulk either so there's also that.
We a HUMANS of course we know how strong we are, these guys are fictional characters who bench press entire planets how the hell can it be measured on Earth?Therefore their strength is left as incalculable. Guys like the Thing have a defined strength because his can be measured by weights on Earth.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 so Imma just stop wating my time here. This reminds me too much of creationists who think the earth is 6-10k years old. And that snakes talk, noah gathered all the animals on earth and put them on 1 boat... i cannot argue with you. because nothing I say to you, will ever be good enough. Which is really sad, and I honestly dont know how a persons brain gets to be like that...
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 The Ark has been documented to be found, the Earth cannot be older than a few thousand years because the moon's rotation flexing away says so, and Noah only needed the young of each animal, not every breed. But also keep in mind that a single-celled organism has more parts, moving gears, synchronizing flow of data, and a complex set of blueprints than the most advanced space shuttle, and there is no evidence for evolution, which takes more faith as a religion to believe.
WritingFighter 1 month ago 3
@WritingFighter Christ, I know fundies are ignorant, but you really take the cake. There is volumes of evidence for evolution. Any serious scientist knows that evolution is a fact, it's the mechanism by which it occurs which is somewhat up for debate (although natural selection does a pretty damned good job of that). What there is no evidence of, is anything from the bible. Hell, the bible can't even get the value of Pi right. Please keep science out of your superstitions.
EOTE 3 weeks ago
@EOTE Evidence such as? (You can send me a Private Message to continue.)
WritingFighter 3 weeks ago
@EOTE None of my evidence comes from a bible. Remember, Evolution came out of a theory that was just simply made up by a man. If Evolution exists, where's you're billions of years of missing links? Why are there human footprints alongside dinosaur footprints? Why is the magnetic field increasing in speed with the tilt of the earth, and how could the earth function even 1 mil years ago with such a slow rate? If the moon is getting further from the earth, how was it in the atmosphere so long ago?
WritingFighter 3 weeks ago
@EOTE Why are there seashells on the tops of mountains? Why does Israel's camp described in the Book of Numbers form a giant cross? That the word for 'God' in ancient Hebrew is 3 nails and wood? Why are there chariot wheels and weapons around a flattened seabed surface where Israelites would've crossed the sea? Why do we use the Bible for archaeological references? When Israel was destroyed in 70 AD, how did the Bible predict it being a nation in the future(1948)? It's not proof you really want
WritingFighter 3 weeks ago
@EOTE How did the earth exist with such a slow rate of movement from the magnetic field with the tilting axis even 1 mill years ago? Where's your billions of years of missing links between fauna and animals? How would the moon exist in the atmosphere since it's rate of rotation constantly grows away from the earth? Explain the earth's rotation being a few degrees away from the sun and it would be too cold to support life, same if it were too close, the planet would be too hot?
WritingFighter 3 weeks ago
@EOTE Why haven't we seen any evolution in animals going extinct today, nothing adapts! When we move creatures into a new habitat things are simply destroyed, there is no adaptation. Why are there human footprints next to dinosaur footprints? Why are there living fossils (namely of plants)? Why is the complete DNA info of an entire species more info than what's your computer? Charles Darwin even Stephen Hawking are like Plato and Aristotle: Philosophers, people who sit around and theorize.
WritingFighter 3 weeks ago
@WritingFighter Were you just really arguing over religion and evolution in comments section of a video about a fucking comic book? Are you retarded?
Maaniiek 2 weeks ago
@WritingFighter ur a complete..... i dont even know the word.... creationist deserve to be shot
OGTheDemon 3 weeks ago
@OGTheDemon WORD
this asshead oughta be euthanized together with his non adapting friends... over thousands of years of evolution and humanity is just starting to pick apart its past... meanwhile hes babbling about missing links and shit his church propaganda told him to argue that there cant be any evolution. Fuck Creationism - another reason to leave church besides the horny pedo priests and megachurches and gayhating bullshit they spew on sundays.
USEYAHOO 5 days ago
@WritingFighter Quick q: How can you be completely opposed to evolution/ adaptation and say that Noah would not need each and every breed of animal? If not for adaptation, how/ why would we have different breeds now, by that logic?
werebearman 1 week ago
@WritingFighter The Ark has not been found, tard-face. And even if you believe in religion, you have to believe in evolution. According to the bible, after the flood, the only humans alive were Noah and his family. This means all the different ethnicities of the human race-asian, black, native america, white, ect., evolved from one family. If you can believe that humans can change that much in 4000 years, you have to believe that new species can arise from millions/billions of years of evolution
Bloodthr0e 3 days ago
@WritingFighter Stop preaching...
tuberman890 13 hours ago
@skilla20 Not only do you want to ignore the bio's I posted. but you ignore them, then quote the same information from them. As you did with the silver surfer. Actually, you quoted it exactly as I gave it to you. BUT before that you claim comic chars stats / bio's are Hyperbole. And are obvious exaggerations. Hyperole is like saying, I waited forever for the phones to ring. its an obviously not to be taken literally.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 Incalc, means unable to be counted. TOO GREAT to be measured. That means infinite, unlimited etc. Synonyms: countless, without number, innumerable, infinite, multitudinous, vast, huge, immense, untold, inestimable, immeasurable, limitless. I love how you cherrypick words out of all those listed. Huge relates to physical size. And it not a measure of strength. however, terms like infinite ARE used by MARVEL to define chars such as hulks STR level.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 So what you are saying is everytime the word incalculable is used it means infinite? What nonsense. All you are is a spinster nothing more. When I said Silver Surfers strength was incalculable I was going by a quote in a comic not by a bio, no comic book fan ever uses bios as proof, you go onto any comic forum using bios as proof of anything and you will be laughed of there.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 (1) Tell me what comic book you got that SS info from. No, when using the word incalcuable does not ALWAYS mean infinite. The context is what matters. Like grains of sand on a beach. Its not infinite, just not able to be counted. but that is not how it was used for SS, or Ego, or the in-betweener or galactus. Its being implies that it goes too fay beyond measurement. In that sense, it is infinite. Or they would have used a different word for it.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Every comic that Silver Surfer has ever appeared in, that's where the proof of how much power he has lies. A bio will give a brief description of what his powers are and that's it, it says incalculable, cool, but to automatically assume it's infinite because of is this is wrong plain and simple. It's like your only reasoning is it's infinite because you say so and that they would have used a different word lol what?
skilla20 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Incalculable can be used as a way of simply saying his strength is great. Once Thor picked up a sword of incalculable weight, do you think the sword had infinite weight or that they were simply saying the sword was really heavy? Use your common sense for crying out loud. Yes exactly but huge is a synonym of incalculable is it not? You have just proved my point and the flaw in your logic, YOUR the one who is cherry picking to suit your hidden agenda.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 You know. I know a girl like you. We talk about religion all the time. And I dont know why I do it. I explain to her all the time, all the inconsistant stories and scriptures, and nomatter what I say, she says the bible is without flaw. Just like Mormons, who think native americans come from some lost tribe of israel. When DNA evidense proves thats not the case. They still hold on to it as being right. Honestly. I dont know why I continue with this.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 dude calm ur tits
firebreathx 1 month ago 3
@Muaythai81 Dude I actually don't know what your point is... seriously. Bios are good to get background info on a character that is all, they do NOT overrule the comics though and how can they possibly when they are based off a comic in the first place. As I have already pointed out to you internet bios like the one you PM'd me can have glaring mistakes like the height of Hulk and Juggernaut I can bet you I would find plenty of others if I checked. Official Handbooks are more reliable.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Its clearly obvious, that nomatter what I say, even when I agree with you on points, you reject my information. NOmatter what I say, or how I show it, you reject the information. As to say if I dont get the information from the only source you approve, then its not valid. It doesnt matter that the info I have is the same as yours. But Im obviously retarded for continually coming back to this "debate" when its clear the only outcome the people here want to read is HULK SMASH.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 AND, comics themselves are not 100% accurate. Especially When Skaar stabbed Hulk in the chest, I would say in the heart. he didnt Die. But Rulk does, and u say ," Oh he pierced his heart !!' and that somehow means hulk dies? Really bro? Really? Comics flip flop all the time. Contradictions. All the time. The fact that YOU just said SS can get to COUNTLESS STR, again means Hulk cannot be the strongest. Just because you add ON EARTH doesnt mean anything.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 What the hell is even your point seriously? Characters don't randomly flip flop in power levels they are generally consistent with their average portrayals. Skaar stabbed Hulk in the middle of his chest it's quite clear in the scan. When Gladiator blasted Hulk with his heat vision, Hulk was worried the beam would reach his heart and that he would die. So it isn't the only occasion.
skilla20 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 if something to too great in number to be counted. That implies infinite. Huge relates to size, and was not the word directly used. It is but one of SIMILAR words. Stop cherrypicking words. yes countless STR does manke sense. You have obviously never lifted weights before. You much count, weight, by pounds tons or w/e system you use. Counting = determine weight. Incalc is used in the context of being too vast, to great, without any finite or measurable limits. Period.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 No it implies it POSSIBLE that the word be used to imply infinite but it in no way shape or form directly means infinite, incalculable itself does not have the DEFINITION of being infinite. That website you quoted has many mistakes and can be edited by anyone, for example it states Juggernaut is 9 ft 5 and Hulk is 7-8 ft. We know this is incorrect because Hulk is taller than Juggernaut, hell you can look at this video and see. Does Juggernaut look nearly 2 ft taller than Hulk?
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 (1) I've already explained all this, u can read it. Look back. Its Iron clad, irrefutable shit Ive laid out. Fact is, Marvel is THE final say. If Marvel says hulks green. He's green. Doesnt matter what color we think would look best. Marvel defines each character. I have already proven that not only is hulk not the strongest there is. But that the writers can choose the winner / loser of any fight. Thats just the truth. So in this fight whoever the writer wants to win will win.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 (2) If you can't admit that, then it doesnt matter what information I give you, you'll choose - Insert name - nomatter what. Hulks strength is POTENTIALLY limitless. Potential and actual are 2 different things. Just because you have the potential to become a doctor, or a lawyer, doesnt mean you ARE one. Where does my information come from? Marvels official webpage. And if you or Lebear, says that information from Marvel isnt enough, then info from comics isnt either.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 Odin is near omnipotent? Why he was stomped by celestials then?
As i remember, it was not a stalemate.
Hulk was able to kill or beat somebody on par with Silver Surfer? What feats they have to put them on par with one who can easily vanish stars, create black holes, absorb near limitless amount of energy etc?
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Because back in those days Celestials were the top dogs but now skyfathers like Odin and Zeus are near the top of the food chain.
"As you remember" you don't read comics so try to portray as if you have the book, Dormammu stalemated Galactus in his realm. I don't even know why your bringing up Dormammu he would shit all over Nightmare.
Someone who beat Silver Surfer and Merged Hulk (the same Hulk that punched up Juggernaut) at the same time. That's serious power.
skilla20 1 month ago
for anybody who has not seen the Comic fights prior to one shown in Mr Tennessens video,you will be able to view them all on my channel by tomorrow,plus Information on Juggernaut,Cyttorak,The onslaught saga and The Incredible Hulk.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Also, I find it very, very strange that you keep saying prove juggernaut is stronger than hulk. Infinity cannot be greater than infinity. neither is stronger than the other. How hard is that to understand?
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare I will extend the offer to you. Im off work this weekend. I can dismantle you live, on skype. hit me up with an ID. Im sure u wont, but, at least I offered.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@skilla20 Nightmare defeated Eternity just like classic Dormammu did and was even more powerful stacking Eternitys powers too his own that even Dr. Strange could not beat him forcing Dr. Strange to summon the Juggernaut as a last resort that actually payed off, am i right?
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX No Eternity ALLOWED Nightmare to imprison her I have the book kid. Dormammu is far more powerful than Nightmare lol, he has stalemated Galactus before.
Dr. Strange used Juggernaut as a distraction so that he could free Eternity to which she replied that she didn't need saving then she easily defeats Nightmare and sends Juggernaut to another dimension. That is what happened.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 They are not even near omnipotent. They are just galaxy busters. And what Hulks feat can prove he is stronger then Superman, or Superboy-Prime, or Doomsday, or Darkseid, or Thanos, or any humanoid character?
Black Adam took on entire JLA in the past.
A Superman is a character of DC universe. There are a lot of time lines in Marvel and DC. So you are wrong.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Hulk went to the Dark Dimension and defeated an entire race of Mindless Ones that even Umar couldn't beat aswell as several other powerful characters one being on par with Silver Surfer AND destroyed the entire planet they were on aswell as damaging a nearby planet all in one attack. Superman has never (except Silver Age) displayed that kind of raw power. No single character under skyfather levels can match Hulks feats in strength.
So? Hulk took on the whole of Earth.
skilla20 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare He told that and then easily BFRs him. And dont forget that THAT Hulk is more powerful and dangerous then simple Hulk.
Waiting for proof that Zeus de-powered him since i didnt see such thing in that comic.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX and mentioning the background looked "funny" proves nothing,especially after i described and mentioned that Onslaught warped the X-MEN mansion to 1)prevent juggernaut from escaping 2)To lead juggernaut straight to him.What i see in those illustrations is Onslaught Forcibly removing the gem with his fingers(confirmed in Juggernauts Bio's),as for the "Funny" background?it's more like a barrier preventing any one from interfering with Onslaughts business.nothing more.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare That clap-counter attack wasnt a universe-busting attack. Where did Stan Lee agrees with that? And it was not proved that attacks of them BOTH destroyed that universe.
Juggernaut withstood attacks from universe-busters.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
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@MrJuggernautX "Juggernaut withstood attacks from universe-busters." proof please,i want actual scans of Juggernaut withstanding Universe busting attacks.
"Waiting for proof that Zeus de-powered him since i didnt see such thing in that comic."
actually i want proof from you,you must post scans of the entire fight,and prove that Zeus did not de-power Hulk.if you dont back up any of your replies with actual scans and issue numbers then you have lost your side of the debate.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
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@MrJuggernautX "That clap-counter attack wasnt a universe-busting attack. Where did Stan Lee agrees with that? And it was not proved that attacks of them BOTH destroyed that universe."
/watch?v=LYt17I0TG8k&list=PL6B669612B2763017&index=2&feature=plcp
2:56 of the video,confirmation that Hulk and Night-crawlers fight destroyed that Universe.Stan lee was editor of that Arc.Regarding Onslaught,Proof please,i want scans that prove Onslaught actually used a mental probe to remove the gem.continue>
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Okay i want you to prove with feats(scans and issue numbers are required),that juggernaut is indeed Stronger than Hulk all round.if you reply to me with your normal spiel,you have lost your argument on the grounds of lack of proof and too much opinion,this is my last reply to you now.You have chosen to remain ignorant on the subject after being provided with more than enough proof that Hulks strength Exceed's Juggernauts,so its going to be like this from now on >no proof?no reply.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@skilla20 Juggernaut dont need feats - Hulk never overcome his durability and strength in fair fights. So it actuely proves that Juggernaut is a great thread to Hulk.
Juggernaut allmost defeated Nightmare if i not mistake. I will try to find it and re-read.
And there are a lot of such things in comics. Example - Gaea gave to Hercules a power to manipulate a multiverse once.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Of course you need feats how else are you going to compare strength.
Odin recently fought Galactus and badly hurt him, Zeus also fought Galactus in the Chaos War and did well. Being "only" a galaxy buster does not stop one from being NEAR omnipotent, plus Odin has destroyed far more than a galaxy.
Juggernaut stalemated Nightmare with powers he no longer has, Hulk beat Nightmare and has beaten Mephisto.
skilla20 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare That video means nothing. It was mental probe. You can even see something strange around Onslaught and Juggs - some shit with colors. I hope you understand me.
Juggernaut can call upon Cyttoraks unlimited powers. And Cyttorak gives him limitless kinetic energy.
And Gem is not inside him since he was able to hold it in his hends, throu it into space etc.
JrJr is only one Marvel writer. He was not only one who wrote WWH. And there are a lot of writers in Marvel.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@skilla20 Zeus, Odin, Superboy-Prime, Superman, SA Superman, Black Adam, Doomsday, Despero, classic Juggernaut, Mangog etc. My list will be just too long. Hulk is not physically the strongest comic character.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Zeus and Odin are skyfathers who have near omnipotent power, I'm talking about "normal" characters. Superman is not stronger than Hulk, he doesn't have any strength feat that surpasses Hulk's best, Black Adam is probably weaker than Superman, Juggernaut doesn't have the feats, Mangog was recently defeated by Thunderstrike iirc. SA Superman doesn't even exist and Doomsday is roughly about as strong as Superman. None can reach the levels Hulk can.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Few magical spells man, only few. The main thing was his durability. And Oblivion used his powers on Juggernaut to arase him from existance.
Well, classic Nightmare imprisoned Eternity, that is impressive. As i remember, Eternity amped him, ill try to find a scan.
Reality was shaking when 2 Supermans were fighting.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Eternity allowed itself to be imprisoned it even states this in the book. You seriously think a lower end demon has the power to imprison an abstract concept, that's laughable.
Hulk and Thor have reality shaking feats too.
Hulk beat Nightmare and was destroying his realm until Strange saved him. You might not like it but Juggernaut can't compare to someone like Hulk in strength, he has nowhere near the level of feats that Hulkie has.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 To be honest, i didnt read that comic about Red She Hulk and Hulk. But i remember it was debatable if they destroyed the entire planet. Can you give me scans of it?
The reality was tearing apart because of Supermans fight. And Hulk is not strongest there is because there are a lot of characters that can overpower him.
Juggernaut withstood attacks from Eternity-amped classic Nightmare, Oblivion and Eternity, if i not mistake. Those are incredible feats of durability.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX (Contd)
There was a lot of context in that story which allowed to the events play out the way it did. On the other hand Hulk was caught in a time storm and punched straight through it, how the hell do you punch through time? Red She-Hulk punched her way out of a dimension too.
It wasn't debatable because you see the planet exploding, i'll PM you the scans of each feat.
I never said Hulk destroyed the dimension by himself but when has Superman destroyed a dimension in a fight?
skilla20 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Name me a humanoid character who is physically stronger than Hulk?
What proof do you have Eternity amped Nightmare? Plus when Juggy fought him he could cast magical spells to protect himself he can't do that anymore. Juggernaut has never fought Oblivion and Eternity never attacked him she just transported him to another realm.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 A humanoid stronger than Hulk? Thats not a valid question. For one, there are many marvel characters with infinite STR. And having infinite STR means its cannot be topped. Since Hulks STR is only POTENTIALLY infinite. those 2 + galactus + ego Are stronger than Hulk from the start. Which obviously means, since you cannot exceed infinity, Hulks STR is lower than all those I listed. Scroll back a few pages, ive already explained this. And Im sure ur brighter than Lebear.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 Galactus isn't a humanoid and prove Ego is stronger than Hulk.
I never said Hulk had infinite strength either, in fact having "infinite" strength is a flawed concept in itself. Hulk has unlimited strength yes, unlimited and infinite are actually not the same.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20
hey thanks for the reply. How isnt Galactus a Humanoid? He has 2 arms, 2 legs, ears nose mouth, and everything else that resembles a Human... Thats Humanoid. Hell, most characters in marvel are humanoids. now, about proving that he is AS STRONG as Hulk, easy. marvel,com/universe/Ego -- Look under his powers and read what it says. As I have said many times, the writer can any character do anything, but if u want to read what marvel officials says its right there.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 That isn't his true form, he can resemble any shape.
I asked you for proof not what a bio says, plus all it says is incalculable.. you do know Hulk's strength has been stated as this for the past 50 years? How is that proof?
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 Oh, and unlimited, and infinite are the same.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 In some cases yes but in this case Hulk can increase his strength with no predetermined limit, the only limit being himself that is having unlimited strength. Having infinite strength suggests his strength goes on forever which it doesn't. If you had two Hulk's that had infinite strength neither would beat the other but if both had unlimited strength depending on who's strength has increased the quickest, it's possible for one to win.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 u got skype? I will talk to u about it later tonight or sometime this weekend. hit me up with an ID and i will call u on it
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@Muaythai81 quote "And Im sure ur brighter than Lebear." But do you not find it ironic,that i am smarter than you?
Hey,just because you cant prove that Juggernaut is stronger than Hulk and also the fact you struggle with word definitions,There is no need to go judging me by your standards.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Just keep telling yourself that. Coming from the guy who cant read a dictionary properly.
Muaythai81 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Your arguing the point that Hulk did not destroy that universe,What the video actually states is that Hulk uses a universe Busting counter attack(true story),stan lee confirms that The fight itself caused the destruction of that Universe,Fact is both of them destroyed it,Pray tell,when has Juggernaut destroyed a Universe or been involved in a fight that caused that kind of destruction?like never.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@skilla20 He was scared of being defeated by War since he could want to prove he is the strongest.
So they turned Onslaughts powers against him and you write that Onslaughts defeat is actuely a high feat for Hulk? 0_0
Superman punched through time and Hulk didnt destroy universe by himself. It was their fight that destroy universe and it could be a Darkcrawler who caused such distruction. There were no proofs it was Hulk who did it.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Okay so you basically agree with me now, that wasn't so hard was it :)
They stopped him from using his powers against them they didn't use his own power against him though. Hulk was the only one capable of destroying Onslaughts body and almost every available hero aswell as many villains were gathered to try and defeat him.
When has Superman punched through time? If your referring to Final Crisis the timeline was in a state of flux hence why their memories were being played out.
skilla20 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX You know the biggest problem i find talking about comics to you,is the fact you have read about 2% of the stories you mentioned,But more worrying is the fact you are starting to make stuff up and worse of all is your inability or incredible ignorance to acknowledge we are right on several things you argued against,you have argued against John romita jr and the actual comics,you provided absolutely no proof to support any of your points other than misquoted stories you never seen.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare BTW Thor did not truly admit that he could never defeat Hulk. He told that to gauge Hulks ego to strike a BFRing blow. Thor defeated him by BFR.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX regarding Thor v Nul.in fairness to Thor,he had to content with a lot of shit right before that fight.But i dont think it was Thor was playing off Hulks Ego,remember it was Thor who hit the roof,when Hulk said he knew all along Thor could'nt beat him.Regarding Thortards,the same idiots that say shit like "oh hulk cant lift thors hammer"LOL,i remember when Thor could'nt lift his own Hammer,for crying out loud XD read more comics,i say ;)
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Also, if Hulk has unlimited strength, why he was easily defeated by Zeus in a fist fight?
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX "why he was easily defeated by Zeus in a fist fight?" easy question,Zeus de-powered him,Zeus was way to clever to go and take Hulk on in a Normal fist fight ;)
Ironically,Hulk was not there to fight and was attacked by Olympian monsters.good issue though :)
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare And in that fight Green Scar agree that Juggernaut defeated him in previous "dance".
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare And in their fight (fair fights) Juggernaut allways knock him around. Green Scar, who actuely was very angry (next step in Hulks evolution and insane level of anger because of Hulks wifes death) could not beat him. He BFRed him because he just could not beat him.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Oblivion cant kill him, Thors Godblast cant even scratch him (but Godblast made Galactus flee, damaged Exitars armor and killed mangog who would eat Hulk on breakfest), Cyclops planet ripping blast only made Juggernaut laugh etc. Can Hulk kill Mangog or damage Exitars armor by his punches, even if he would be super angry? I dont think so. Hulk didnt show enough power to overcome Juggs durability.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Cyttorak could not take his powers from Dspeir so what? It proves he has a limit?
BTW i am not Hulk hater.
PIS its when some realy weak superherous defeat such powerfull characters as Hulk, or Juggernaut. That is PIS.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare As i remember, Trion Gods used Cyttoraks powers (distructive aspect). And that was enough to make him truly unstoppable, involnurable etc. Also he was able to destroy universes by his punches.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@skilla20 What Hulks strength feats Superman cant compare?
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX He defeated a near Celestial level threat in Onslaught, punched through time, destroyed an entire dimension in his fight with Darkcrawler, when he fought the Red She-Hulk recently they destroyed the entire planet they were on and heavily damaged another just from the impact of their punches. Superman is strong as hell but he can't hit the heights that Hulk can, he is the strongest there is.
skilla20 1 month ago
@skilla20 We need 100% facts, we dont know why he did not confront War Hulk after that. Maybe he was scared or something like that.
Maybe because i read comics long time a go and i dont remember all of them? I have a lot of business, you know.
Juggernaut defeated opponents that are stronger then amped Venom. So that was PIS.
Onslaught used his mental powers on Juggernaut. And why could not he use his reality powers on Hulk at that moment?
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX But why would he be scared if he wasn't hurt.. cumon dude even you can admit he was hurt by War Hulk.
IIRC the heroes used devices created by Iron Man and Black Panther that dampened Onslaughts reality and telekinetic powers against them. That's how in the end they were able to attack him without being destroyed.
skilla20 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Read the content of above video response "History of Juggernaut"
Your "Theory" on Onslaught using Mental Powers,Incorrect.
Your "Theory" on Gem not being Bonded to juggernaut,incorrect.
Your "Theory" on Juggernaut having Unlimited strength,incorrect>>>Continue.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@skilla20 Hulk punched through reality? Proof. Red-She Hulk punched through reality using physical strength? Proof.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Cable and Storm shut down his mind and KO'ed him. Storm could never kill Hulk.
Hulk has held a black hole too in a Defenders issue, he also punched through time. I'll PM you the scans. Superman can't compare to Hulk's strength feats. Even Wonder Woman knocked Juggernaut out and she is not on Hulk's strength level. Marvel don't view Juggy as the strongest or toughest only you do and it's Marvel that write the books not you.
skilla20 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX it was actually a combination of both the trions power and Cyttoraks that allowed it to breach dimensional walls,Cyttorak nor Cain were in control of the trion,that itself proves that Cyttorak has LIMITED power.Look at the Thor v Hulk video and you will see Hulk physically grabbing a singularity to save the defenders,i suspect that your opinion is getting very anti-hulk,seeing as you are comparing him with superman and thor on a Juggernaut/Hulk Video,whats up with that?
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@skilla20 Hulk punched him at a moment of psyhic backlash so it was not Hulk who knocked him out.
Onslaught could be distracted, or it was PIS. Hulk is not immune to reality-warping powers.
Hulk was killed by Storm in the past, right?
Superman held a black hole in his hend and helped Wonder Women to hold a Spectre. Hulk didnt show such strength feats.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Venom was amped he wasn't at 30 ton levels, why are you even debating when you haven't read books of the characters your talking about. Venom was amped but he was still weaker than Hulk and Juggernaut ran from him, Hulk would never run from a fight.
Onslaught was already using his reality warping powers when he created the second sun and to fight the rest of the heroes so Hulk was able to get close to him and fight hand to hand. Juggernaut was KO'ed, Hulk won. Hulk>Juggernaut.
skilla20 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX trion used a combination of its own power and the power it stole from cyttorak,but cain nor cyttorak had control over the trion,thus in itself proving that Cyttorak does NOT have unlimited power.And no storm did not kill Hulk,she just floored him while nate grey was inside Hulks head trying to break Onslaughts Mental hold on him.i suspect that your Opinion is now falling into an anti-hulk point of view,why are you comparing him with superman and Thor feats on a juggernaut video
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@skilla20 Umm... He could be impressed by War Hulks power and he coul stop him from cutting his head at the moment of attack. Re-read comic. And he could not speak because he just didnt want to. And i repeat - its just your opinion. Juggernaut could trying to find his helmet, or something else. realy - its just your opinion, not a fact.
I called things PIS when 30 tonner (at max) can beat a being that withstood reality-tearing attacks and have 100+ strength level.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX So your response to Hulk punching Juggernaut to the ground, standing over him while bragging how much more powerful than Juggernaut he is while Juggs is struggling to speak (because he was hurt), removing Juggs helmet, telling him he is about to be decapitated but being stopped because Absorbing Man attacked him and us not seeing Juggs return to his feet pages later is... because he was amazed at Hulk's power? LOL. Do you not see how ludicrous your excuses are?
skilla20 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX ah PIS(the diplomatic immunity card for Fanboys) they should change it to FIS>>>Fanboy induced stupidity.
or better yet,stop talking about comics if you cant accept your favorite comic characters inevitable defeat,God i miss the good old days,when people actually knew what they were talking about :(
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Why were you banned from Comicvine? Or you werent? Just interesting.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
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@MrJuggernautX Read what i said about Onslaught,Thats what actually happened.you want another comic that depicts the gem inside cains chest?Try the Trion story also ;)
"it means nothing since we need 100% facts.">>>speak for yourself,i dont need anything,i have it right here.Again when you read the Bio,you will see,Trion WAS not Cyttorak or Cain.and NO cyttorak does not have Limitless power ;)
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
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@MrJuggernautX "Why were you banned from Comicvine?" because i posted a scan of Bishop Physically knocking Juggernaut out (in a canon comic mind you) and also one of Thing stopping Juggernaut from achieving his goal by tripping him up in secret wars 2 XD I was also banned from KMC because i posted scans of Thor getting Whooped by Onslaught (twice) many thanks to fernando072295 and attitudeadjustment for that one.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare "Using last part of strength" is that right? I dont remember, but netherveless, it proves nothing since it we dont know if it means exactly physical strength. And Trion Juggernaut proves it wasnt Juggs limit.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Onslaught did it by using his mental powers. Read what i wrote here again. And i wanna see a comic (not from Onslaught saga) where Crimson Gem is inside Cains chest.
Maybe, maybe... it means nothing since we need 100% facts.
I know that Trion Juggernaut is - Trion Gods using one of Cyttoraks power aspect. That clearly proves Cyttorak can give Juggernaut a limitless power.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Read what i said about Onslaught,Thats what actually happened.you want another comic that depicts the gem inside cains chest?Try the Trion story also ;)
"it means nothing since we need 100% facts.">>>speak for yourself,i dont need anything,i have it right here.Again when you read the Bio,you will see,Trion WAS not Cyttorak or Cain.and NO cyttorak does not have Limitless power ;)
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX Read what i wrote on Onslaught,Thats what actually happened.You want another example of a depiction of the gem in Cains Chest?LOL,you just mentioned it,the trion story,BTW they are not the only times XD "it means nothing since we need 100% facts".speak for yourself,i have all the proof i need right here.ROFL that trion gods statement is Hilarious>>>>continue.
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago
@LeBearExtrordinare Onslaught mentioned thet Cain is undistructible when he has a control over gem. Also, Cain himself can control gem - its about his emotional state.
Hulk is not a telepath or reality warper. And Onslaught did that because of mental probe.
MrJuggernautX 1 month ago
@MrJuggernautX i can tell you exactly what Onslaught said word for word.
Cain>>>Onslaught?........dont...dont kill me,man.
Onlslaught>>>Kill you,cain marko?what a splendid idea!But how is that possible?You're protected by the Crimson gem of Cyttorak.as Long as it stays Bonded to you,your indestructable!(Onslaught then rips the gem from Cains Chest)
Onslaught(holding the Gem)>>>so long as.Thats it,Marko.whimper.Beg for my mercy.
(Cain is curled up in pain,clutching his chest)
LeBearExtrordinare 1 month ago