You can talk about the scores and if they are deserved or not all day long but in the end, you are never going to be able to get rid of questionable scores as long as figure skating is a sport that is judged.
There was a judge who gave him a neutral ( 0 ) GOE for that second triple axel and triple lutz (might not be the same judge) .... overall he still got 7.49 for the 3A
Kozuka got neutral GOEs all over the place for jumps he landed well. Whether it is 6.0 or COP, when the judges like you, they can give you any score .... they are going to start pushing up his PCS more ... soon he will be able to get 100 points just from PCS.
@lutz84 Nobody was clean in this competition, maybe judges just tried to encourage Patrick, he didn´t skate a clean program since 2009 Worlds, if I remember well. He improved since last season, he added quads too, maybe the judges are pleased with his programs and his efforts.
He IS good, no doubt and a great skate: jumps, transitions, footwork etc., but wow... I agree... VERY high score... maybe there's something they see "live" I don't quite get from watching it here?
The presentation scores have always been Chan's strength. Add a quad to the mix and his technical score goes up even with a few fumbles in his program. He has so many steps and footwork in bewtween all his jumps and spins that no one else in the world can match that. He never just strokes around the ice and builds to his jump like everyone else.
It might be worth mentioning that the Free Skate world record is held by Daisuke Takahashi from the 2008 Four Continents; an amazing performance where he earned 175.84 points. He also had a couple of errors with landings, thus made some noticeable mistakes just like P. Chan did.
@Fubarspiff It´s difficult to say who helds the record because the base value of elements changed a lot of times since they introduced the COP. ISU should calculate the scores everytime they change something, their top scores ranking is absolutely irrelevant.
@SimonaCB That is very true, and you have a very good point. I was just pointing to everyone out that a very high score can be awarded to a skater who displays exceptional skill, despite a couple of errors.
@Fubarspiff It was only an observation about the ISU ranking but of course, even with small errors a skater can get a high score if he displays exceptional skill in a competition. Dai´s program in 2008 was amazing, doesn´t even matter if it helds the record or not.
Despite his two errors, and I won't call them mistakes, becasue he went for everything, and just messed up the landings. No one can touch mis musicality, he's awesome! Thankfully, some one in our men's canadian team that we can rely on, moreso than several other in the past. AND he's not robotic
It's awesome he has finally gotten his quad, and frankly quite consistent....no one has a consistent quad anyways..... The score is a little high and there goes the subjectivity of the judging panel, wherein they skate near flawless in one competition and the next muck a few things up and get an even higher one? Not all the time but sometimes.
A truly amazing and inspirational performance. I think his footwork really is awesome and complex, which makes it so exciting to watch. Not sure if everyone knows this, but if you do jumps in the 2nd half of your program you get extra points. I would assume that the theory is b/c during the 2nd half your energy is more spent. Mr. Chan positions himself to do several jumps in the 2nd half of his programs. Stop hating on him, people.
@TheKashMunee so i said that before i watched it.... seriously wtf, i only saw the score sheet and assumed it was flawless because of the goe's and no deductions, she def did no deserve 174 :P but w/e, nobu and taka still medalled too so I'm happy
@HelTra91 the only score that was higher than this is the one Takahashi got in 2008 4CC (175.84). Even though there happened some changes in base value, he did 2 very clean quads, 2 beautiful axels and all other triples with just one slight mistake.
incredible
kenzo1963 10 months ago
First time ever watching him skate. Really lovely program, choreography is great.
organicskating 1 year ago
It is wonderful.
MT0226KKNA 1 year ago
patrick chan, you are going to rock sotchi 2014. beautiful, just beautiful.
JBspantsparty 1 year ago
i don't think his programs can be beaten. They are Olympic caliber. it's a matter of hitting those jumps.
vistaprime 1 year ago
He deserved that score the judges judge based on the other performances of the other skaters and compared to that in overall Patrick surpassed them
Emrak304 1 year ago 3
legend
sequenza1988 1 year ago
omg patrick, why did you have to screw up one ur first skate.. you coulda won something at least...
darrens888 1 year ago
You can talk about the scores and if they are deserved or not all day long but in the end, you are never going to be able to get rid of questionable scores as long as figure skating is a sport that is judged.
enls1314 1 year ago 4
oh my bad, not phantom, romeo and juliet, wrong season
HelTra91 1 year ago
There was a judge who gave him a neutral ( 0 ) GOE for that second triple axel and triple lutz (might not be the same judge) .... overall he still got 7.49 for the 3A
Kozuka got neutral GOEs all over the place for jumps he landed well. Whether it is 6.0 or COP, when the judges like you, they can give you any score .... they are going to start pushing up his PCS more ... soon he will be able to get 100 points just from PCS.
lutz84 1 year ago 3
@lutz84 Nobody was clean in this competition, maybe judges just tried to encourage Patrick, he didn´t skate a clean program since 2009 Worlds, if I remember well. He improved since last season, he added quads too, maybe the judges are pleased with his programs and his efforts.
SimonaCB 1 year ago
He IS good, no doubt and a great skate: jumps, transitions, footwork etc., but wow... I agree... VERY high score... maybe there's something they see "live" I don't quite get from watching it here?
muscleboi4use 1 year ago
The presentation scores have always been Chan's strength. Add a quad to the mix and his technical score goes up even with a few fumbles in his program. He has so many steps and footwork in bewtween all his jumps and spins that no one else in the world can match that. He never just strokes around the ice and builds to his jump like everyone else.
joe11880 1 year ago 18
@joe11880 yeahh, he just goes INTO his jumps while all the other skaters prep a long time. He is truly an amazing skater
missperfection77 10 months ago
It might be worth mentioning that the Free Skate world record is held by Daisuke Takahashi from the 2008 Four Continents; an amazing performance where he earned 175.84 points. He also had a couple of errors with landings, thus made some noticeable mistakes just like P. Chan did.
Fubarspiff 1 year ago
@Fubarspiff It´s difficult to say who helds the record because the base value of elements changed a lot of times since they introduced the COP. ISU should calculate the scores everytime they change something, their top scores ranking is absolutely irrelevant.
SimonaCB 1 year ago
@SimonaCB That is very true, and you have a very good point. I was just pointing to everyone out that a very high score can be awarded to a skater who displays exceptional skill, despite a couple of errors.
Fubarspiff 1 year ago 2
@Fubarspiff It was only an observation about the ISU ranking but of course, even with small errors a skater can get a high score if he displays exceptional skill in a competition. Dai´s program in 2008 was amazing, doesn´t even matter if it helds the record or not.
SimonaCB 1 year ago
Despite his two errors, and I won't call them mistakes, becasue he went for everything, and just messed up the landings. No one can touch mis musicality, he's awesome! Thankfully, some one in our men's canadian team that we can rely on, moreso than several other in the past. AND he's not robotic
Abbyguy25 1 year ago 4
It's awesome he has finally gotten his quad, and frankly quite consistent....no one has a consistent quad anyways..... The score is a little high and there goes the subjectivity of the judging panel, wherein they skate near flawless in one competition and the next muck a few things up and get an even higher one? Not all the time but sometimes.
Abbyguy25 1 year ago
Great program, but the score was too high, wasn't it? He had quite bad mistakes...
slegolassss 1 year ago
@slegolassss he had one touch down....
stogieman2 1 year ago
Patrick can do everything! The Best! * Love-love *
MagicZebraSwan 1 year ago
Congrats to one of my fave skaters!
yardrhod 1 year ago
it`s the best his program! and he showed the best skating in the Men's event. He did quad!!! Patrick Chan did quad!
SvetlanaGvozd 1 year ago
A truly amazing and inspirational performance. I think his footwork really is awesome and complex, which makes it so exciting to watch. Not sure if everyone knows this, but if you do jumps in the 2nd half of your program you get extra points. I would assume that the theory is b/c during the 2nd half your energy is more spent. Mr. Chan positions himself to do several jumps in the 2nd half of his programs. Stop hating on him, people.
Congrats Patrick, you make Canada proud.
Fubarspiff 1 year ago 5
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Phantasia for the win! When Patrick Chan is in his healthy state, you can definitely see his energy level go up. Always supporting him♥
debbxliu 1 year ago
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debbxliu 1 year ago
Congratulations Pat!
everythingx 1 year ago
That score is disgusting.
smartskater1 1 year ago
:) I love Patrick, his skating is amazing and I will support him for years to come.
tasiaj96 1 year ago
oh hello annoying lady beside patrick
HelTra91 1 year ago 3
@HelTra91 LOL... who IS she?!!
muscleboi4use 1 year ago
Great competition for Patrick! Outstanding back-to-back short and long programs!
elmbirch 1 year ago
Absolutely brilliant. Just love him
71024356 1 year ago
This season he's really good, he's got a beautiful quad he improved a lot but 174.. well I don't know
otdupli 1 year ago 7
@otdupli Exactly... even though he deserved the win, he didn't earn 174 :|
maovays 1 year ago 6
@otdupli I love him and think that he deserves every point
but i seriously wtf-ed when i saw that score.... really?
HelTra91 1 year ago 5
@HelTra91 That's exactly how I feel!
TheKashMunee 1 year ago
@TheKashMunee so i said that before i watched it.... seriously wtf, i only saw the score sheet and assumed it was flawless because of the goe's and no deductions, she def did no deserve 174 :P but w/e, nobu and taka still medalled too so I'm happy
HelTra91 1 year ago
@HelTra91 the only score that was higher than this is the one Takahashi got in 2008 4CC (175.84). Even though there happened some changes in base value, he did 2 very clean quads, 2 beautiful axels and all other triples with just one slight mistake.
otdupli 1 year ago 3
@otdupli phantom i believe, that was a beautiful fs! and his sp that season to swan lake was nothing short of amazing
HelTra91 1 year ago
hes amazing, but 174 yeah that's a questionable score for the performance.
icesk8erdude4e 1 year ago
後半の３Aお手付きで、ステップアウトもしてるのに174ですか。
さすが。
ジャッジに愛されてるだけありますね。
SPも織田が4-3飛んでるのに、１点差というのも意味不明。
たとえ今回１位になっても、見る人が見れば点数の不可解さも分かるでしょう。
4-3飛べる素晴らしい選手だと思うのに、言動が伴わないのが残念だし、ジャッジから以上に加点てんこ盛りされてるのもとても残念ですね。
dahria1977 1 year ago
@dahria1977 3Aの失敗だけを上げて点数を否定するのはどうかと..
ショートも回転不足といえど4Tと3-3飛んでるんで、点数はジャンプ以外の差だと思いますけどね
織田君を応援する気持ちが他の選手の非難へ繋がるのは残念ですね
１９歳でこの才能、スケーティングはすばらしいと思いますが
5RENT 1 year ago 11
Patrick is awesome. I wish they gave him a cooler programme though.
sayomsskiver 1 year ago
Well done and proud of you, Patrick. What a beautiful Quad to start the program!
chmclh 1 year ago 2