your a sap dude watch some of the videos of the rovers burning out and the dirt thrown up this cant happen with 9 volt batteries unless ur in low gravity duhhh
Firstly, you are wasting your time trying to debunk the moon landings. The evidence that we did go there far outweighs the 'evidence' that we didnt. And I can clearly see the reason why they didnt jump very high in that video. Look at his knees. He bends them very slightly. if you extrapolate up from that small movement then if he put maximum effort into the jump he would of gone much higher. Those suits are keeping them alive and they certainly didnt want to damage them by leaping three feet.
@7KMedia Guess you missed the debate between Rogan and Plait. Plait did say the suits were too heavy for big jumps. Why don't you try actually researching the bullshit guys like the terrible astrologer say, before spouting off like an ignorant PAN? You might learn something!
@7KMedia Your problem is you cannot discern the difference between scared shitless men on a lunar surface, with nothing but an artificial atmosphere within their space suit, keeping them from a particularly nasty kind of death, for a bunch of fucking astroactors falling down, laughing, singing, golfing, and doing other nonsensical things, void of any realistic emotion during times when they could have ruptured their suit, and ensuring that PAINFUL, NASTY DEATH I spoke of. PAN FAIL AGAIN!
@1AirStreamDriver1 Apollo astronuts were coward, liars, and thieves. They deserve to be shot for treason. And you deserve to be banished to the land of dipshits!
Having been one of the test subjects and one of the arthurs of the article you are claiming to quoting. The problem is not the back pack or balcnce. it is the ability to move the inflated sui and the muscle responce in one g versus 1/6 g . Suggest you read what is said , Accurately quote the article and read the additional research tha is available. The walking in the film is in lunar gravity based on the lunar looping that can not be replicated in one g in a suit. Amos A Spady Jr.
@amspady Hello Amos, I read all 22 pages of the article but couldn't find any discussion of the effects of inflated suits or muscle responses in different gravity strengths. All I could find were online videos showing the test subjects jumping in inflated and uninflated suits, and the inflated suit jumps were still considerably higher than the Apollo videos. Could you provide more information or links to suitable articles?
@7KMedia "I'm sorry, but I believe the guy is an idiot. Have you ever actually listened to some of his arguments? He severaly contradicts himself right in this video."
Well you got the first part right, you are SORRY! Now, how about pointing out the contradictions you speak of? Come on, just one! Your comment falls flat without at least one example now doesn't it?
If you need a psuedo-intellectual imposter to look at, try gazing into your bathroom mirror.
@billybussey wouldn't that happen because the dirt/rock is more dense than the astronaut? i honestly don't know. maybe the effect of density is exaggerated on the moon. also, and this is a more general question, don't you think they're not jumping as high because they're barely bending their knees? just wondering what the responses are. thanks
@smosh704 The density wouldn't matter very much at all. A person should still drop at the same pace of a rock. I am curious about the jumping though. He's not bending his legs too much, but i'm pretty sure I could still muster a jump at least six or seven inches with that much bend (which would become thirty or forty inches). These guys were theoretically in great shape as well.
You can clearly see that the dirt kicked up by the astronauts shoes falls faster than they do. I think that fact is more convincing than anything else.
People give Jarrah so much shit. He's a genius and a hardworker with a cause. I believe he's right, but whether he is or not he deserves credit. he does more research than any of you have, spends quite a bit of money and really works hard for his cause. Jarrah is not an idiot or stupid, the guy's a genius.
@yesiamawizardjonny ...If he's a genius why would he waste so much time in such a futile pursuit as proving the Moon landings were a hoax? You think if Einstein were alive it would take him more than 5 seconds to discount this Moon hoax sillyness? Meanwhile Jarrah has wasted his talents for 5 years on it.
@teddysalad65 Jarrah hasn't wasted anytime. He's inspired me to begin making videos and getting involved in the moon hoax. Einstein would not prove such a ridiculous thing as the moon landings.
@yesiamawizardjonny ...johnnywiz ,....as soon as you make those videos let me know, Just do it on a Monday or Tuesday when I have the time to watch, ok? Let Jarrah know too, but I doubt he has the time for you, lol.
@1AirStreamDriver1 I do already make videos... Funny, Jarrah and I talk all the time. He's one of my better friends in the hoax community and considering I've never met him, he's probably my best virtual friend haha. I've been looking into some things he's brought up with me, and keeping him posted about my latest contacts with NASA. I have videos up, just go check em out.
@yesiamawizardjonny ..those are all "beginner" videos, made by hoax sheep....that's why you have 300 views after 1 month. They don't prove anything...even less than Jarrahs videos. Try to make your life worthwhile by doing something important, not doing silly stuff on the Moon Hoax channels. Good luck and I hope you turn your life around.
@1AirStreamDriver1 I have only little over 300 views because they're no where near as well produced as the moon faker videos. They prove what they need to. Enough to show the moon landings were fake... did you even watch any of them? I'm not gonna turn my life around in the wrong direction by believing the moon landings.
@1AirStreamDriver1 I don't worship Jarrah at all... He's a great asset to the hoax community and actually a very nice guy. He's the reason propgandists like you run for the hills when you hear the word MoonFaker.
@teddysalad65 Very true. Einstein commented on a paper written about him called "one hundred scientists against Einstein" He said "If I was wrong, one would of been enough"
I try to be fair to both sides and check out this conspiracy videos from time to time, but the arguments are always so technically pathetic. You have to really want to believe that the moon shots were fake in the first place to buy any of these so-called arguments.
Your episode here doesn't answer the fundimental question about why there are no high jumps recorded by the Apollo astronauts on the moon; could they have jumped but chose, or ordered not to. Your assertion falls apart by showing the additional video of the men jumping higher next to the lunar rover. One falls backwards after jumping higher. I really doubt that the astronauts would risk damaging their suits, and buy extension the mission and possibly their lives.
Tell me how an ASCENT POD can shoot off the moon with hardly any fuel,no GPS,& only a tiny docking window and RENDEZ VOUS WITH THE CM WHICH WAS DOING 4000 MPH? lol LMFAO. imfuckenpossible. bOY U MOONTARDS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THE NASA NAZI'S TELL U. braindead moontards.
The LM ascent module had two fuel/oxidizer systems with plenty of thrust to put it into a 7x50 miles elliptical orbit above the Moon. The ascent LM weighed 10,000 pounds--1/6 of that, in lunar gravity. Once the ascent engine shut down, the astronauts used the RCS thrusters to nudge the orbit higher in order to meet the CSM. Orbital velocity at that altitude is about 1.5 km/sec. The LM had its own guidance computer, radar, two forward windows and, yes, an overhead docking window.
@El135o The LM had its own guidance computer, radar, two forward windows and, yes, an overhead docking window.
BLAH,BLAH,BLAH & COULD NOT TRAVEL AT 4000 mph U DUMB FUCKING ASSHOLE. SAVE YOUR NASA BULLSHIT LIES to some other moontard asshole that will believe your fucking nonsense. Bet u never even saw a real ascent rocket motor-LAUGHABLE-fit it in a size 13 shoebox-no fucking way to propel a fucking banana to40000 MPH. lol
Sorry man, you're mentally ill. No, the Ascent Module engine was considerably larger that a "shoebox"--and was capable of 3,500 lbs of thrust in a gravity field 1/6 that of Earth's. Thus the engine had to lift only 1,600 lbs off the lunar surface--10,000 pounds of ascent module in lunar gravity, right, shitheel? So the engine had TWICE the power needed. Very easily accelerated to ~3,600 MPH.
Anyway, I went to university--you should have. Now go smoke your dope.
Why would you need a GPS to get into lunar orbit? All you need is fuel, engine, and a computer to calculate the orbit and control the ignition/shutdown times precisely. Ignition at the time when the CSM is in the position and you'll meet up in orbit. It's called orbital mechanics. Sorry your thinking is too small to grasp basic physics and orbital rendezvous. Also, the current LRO probe has returned photos of the LM descent stages sitting on the Moon where they were left 1969-72.
@El135o U dumb fuck- how is a POD going to catch up to a CM doing 4000 MPH u fucking asshole? HOW? IT CAN'T U DUMB FUCK. I made it easy for your brainless mind.LOL Forget the gps asshole-that's way over your head.
ASSHOLE THE LRO SHOW NOTHING U BRAINWASHED LITTLE FUCKTARD.
I told you--now read slowly, carefully, and put a cold cloth on your forehead if need be: the LM Ascent Module engine produced 3,500 lbs of thrust 0.3 seconds after ignition. The Ascent Module weighed 10,000 lbs on Earth--but just 1,600 lbs. in lunar gravity. Thus the ascent engine had plenty of thrust to launch the craft to 3,600 MPH. The RCS thrusters took over after that. Now, stop reading and breathe--and put another cold cloth on your head (removing your tinfoil hat first).
@El135o lol WHAT AN ASSHOLE-you're copying shit from nasa & the rest u make up
to fit your lies. NO FUCKING WAY IN THE WORLD COULD A POD GO TO 4000 MPH U DUMB FUCKNG RETARD.
aulis dot com/jackstudies_4.html THAT is a photo from NASA of the LM on the moon supposdly. Look at it dummy.TAKE OFF YOUR FUCKING BLINDERS ASSHOLE. No way is the POD on top going to get anywhere NEAR that speed u brainwashed fucktard. lol Boy if u guys were any dumber-YOU'D be VEGETABLES.
The ascent engine bell was some two feet across and the engine itself provided 3,500 lbs of thrust. The LM ascent stage in the lunar environment weighed 1,600 lbs. Now put aside your vicious attitude and do a little math.
You were holding an RCS thruster in your hands--one of those would fit in a shoebox. Also, UDMH and nitorgen tetroxide fuel/oxidizer produces an intense combustion; a highly useful means of launching a "pod" as you call it.
@El135o I didn't say anything about an engine bell asshole- i said the engine-I GUESS U CAN'T FUCKING READ EITHER.Lord knows you can't spell worth a fuck.LOL
EVERYONE calls it an ASCENT POD Asshole. That's what it's called u retard fuck.
NO WAY IN THE WORLD WOULD THAT BE PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO GET UP TO 4000 MPH U BRAINDEAD ASSHOLE.
aulis dot com/jackstudies_4.html
LOOK AT IT U FUCKING RETARD-IT'S HELD TOGETHER WITH DUCT TAPE ASSHOLE.That's a NASA PHOTO STUPID. what a fucking loser u are.lol
No, you're the only schmuck who calls the Lunar Module ascent stage a "pod." No, the LM wasn't held together with "duct tape"--your brain is--it was skinned with Kapton, mylar, etc. No, I don't use suspicious websites for knowledge--that's what ill-informed paranoiacs like you do.
Get some psychiatric help, stop threatening/spamming my account, and get some medication into you. You're simply a loudmouth who's constructed a paranoid fantasy around him. Mental illness--know the signs.
The "engine" is comprised of the valves that allow fuel/oxidizer into the combustion chamber, and the exhaust bell where the resultant explosive mixture exits, causing thrust. Why you keep blathering about "shoeboxes" I don't know. An RCS thruster quad mount was about the size of a shoebox.
Your head is smaller that a shoebox, but your hysterical paranoiac loudmouth behaviour is considerably larger. Now, go away and read some NASA manuals before you open your childish mouth again.
@El135o I didn't say anything about an engine bell asshole- i said the engine-I GUESS U CAN'T FUCKING READ EITHER.Lord knows you can't spell worth a fuck.LOL
EVERYONE calls it an ASCENT POD Asshole. That's what it's called u retard fuck.
NO WAY IN THE WORLD WOULD THAT BE PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO GET UP TO 4000 MPH U BRAINDEAD ASSHOLE.
aulis dot com/jackstudies_4.html
LOOK AT IT U FUCKING RETARD-IT'S HELD TOGETHER WITH DUCT TAPE ASSHOLE.That's a NASA PHOTO STUPID. what a fucking loser u are.lol
@El135o BTW out of all the moontards on utube that know 1000% more than you NONE of them would even try to answer the pod question because they know it's fucking IMPOSSIBLE ASSHOLE.Guys that make films & download videos & actually READ BOOKS. And you FAIL MISERABLY in your stupid assertion. LOL
I answered the "pod question" with technical facts well-documented and proven. You reply with violence, insults, and more conspiracy websites!
No, the LM ascent engine was considerably larger than a shoebox. More the size of a 55-gal drum with a two-foot nozzle attached. Anyway, your shouting is tiresome and no, being a trucking school graduatye doesn't mean you went to university. And stop spamming my account with repeated messages or I'll report you.
@El135o You didn't answer shit asshole. U gave some made-up bullshit of an asshole sheep who drools uncontrolable when nasa makes a statement-even if it is a lie.
The ascent motor asshole-could fit in a size 13 shoebox asshole-i was 8 inches away romit U DUMB FUCKING MORON.U might try going to a fucking aviation museum instead of reading a nasa page stupid.
"being a trucking school graduatye" YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL "GRADUATE" U DUMB FUCKING RETARD.lol douchebag asshole.
From your own page: "In GOOGLE and in YOUTUBE if u search deep enough,u will find out how u have been lied to.Not so called "conspiracy theories" but FACTS.that are doubled checked thru other sites,brought out by FOIA requests and others by people in the agencies themselves(whistleblowers)DEA,FBI,CIA,POLICE(MikeRuppert in particular.) "
You're a paranoid delusional tinfoil-hatted conspiracy theorist. There's no cure for that; your fantasy is too complete. Goodbye and good riddance.
@El135o REALITY & FACTUAL OCCURANCES IS NOT PARANOID OR DELUSIONAL U MORONIC FUCKING ASSHOLE.LOL No fantasy on my page or in my life like you moontard. You don't even question because u r an ignorant asshole who wouldn't know REALITY if it bit you in the ass schmuck. LOL fuck off moontard
@El135o "In GOOGLE and in YOUTUBE if u search deep enough,u will find out how u have been lied to.Not so called "conspiracy theories" but FACTS.that are doubled checked thru other sites,brought out by FOIA requests and others by people in the agencies themselves(whistleblowers)DEA,FBI,CIA,POLICE(MikeRuppert in particular.) "
THAT'S BEING PARANOID U DUMB FUCK?IT'S CALLED REALITY ASSHOLE-SOMETHING THAT MOONTARDS & APOLLO-NUTS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.JUST LISTEN TO THE NASA NAZI'S-LOL FUCKING MORON
Some people just can't comprehend the achievement of what NASA achieved in the 1960s. It's quite sad really, but doesn't change the fact that we went.
@jarrahwhite: i'd say if those backpacks were solid-steel containers filled with the right quantity of helium then the upward buoyancy of the helium containers could be the reason the astronauts were able to jump the way nasa wanted them to. since they didn't need any breathable oxygen which could have been taken from the atmosphere and circulated through the suit.
one thing though: how could the sand / dirt not smog in the air? sand falls to the surface. this had to be in vacuum. beats me!
I noticed at 7:59 the astronauts took a little dip or mini jump before the big jump. Who does that on a jump unless you're doing it to put pressing on a spring board or trampoline?
If I was stranded on the moon with no help I wouldn't start my day with the risk of jumping because it's fun, I have a job to do also and I'm not stupid enough to risk my life to see how high I can jump. Anything could happen when i fall down and my life support pack could fail because of the impact from a rock or something.
@thesoulhack: see the videos once again. the astronauts fell down not once, but many times. almost all of them. why did they risk that? and the shot from behind the rover shows them jumping insanely high? why did they risk such a jump? their spacesuits "are" tremendously clumsy. then how come they could maneuver themselves in vacuum knowing fully well they could risk a puncture falling on a sharp rock? they had a job to do, so they did! and found time to play golf and bunny-hop?
I think a lot of their bunny hop and playing golf also is a part of their job as to test their environments. I did see them jump and fall many times yes but I don't think they tried to break any jump-on-the-moon-records exactly.
@thesoulhack: no sane nasa administrator would allow such time-wasting activities. instead, they could have educated so many children all over the world about other things on the moon. they could easily see stars facing opposite the sun, and tell the world how the planets (if they were in the moon-sky at that time) and stars looked, if they twinkled or not, any many other experiments for students. sorry, no academic would agree on how environment testing would mean doing cock-a-hoop!
You're not taking into account that the astronauts jumping aren't even tryingg to jump high. The Test subject in the training videos are trying to get as much heigh as possible, bending their knees all the way down to get to the highest level.
The astronauts have probably also gotten a don't-jump-to-high-warning as it could happen something severe when they land. As you can see in the video, when they try to jump high they have a tendency to get pulled back by their backpack. cont.
Why does the illuminati need to you to beleive the Apollo lie so much?
How will you believe the coming fake "alien" invasion/disclosure to help bring in the anti-Christs 7 year New World Order if you can't believe that we can even get off this litle rock? Listen to Hawking, and avoid all contact with these grigori!
Jarrah finds an old NASA memo, applies his stunning ignorance of math and science, finds an "inconsistency" with Apollo reality, and blames it on a shadowy "conspiracy". Breathtaking!
The earth jump tests were of men in street clothes on cables with no risk of falling, jumping as high as they could. Apollo astronauts were 380,000 km from home on an alien world, wearing a suit and PLSS that doubled their mass and also kept them alive. And gymnastics weren't on the flight plan.
The physics is REALLY simple, Jarrah. Even you can understand it.
Potential energy at the top of the jump is weight times height, so 1/6 gravity means 6x height for the same mass and energy. But the suit/PLSS doubles your mass, so lunar jumps are only 3x earth jumps, max.
And according to your deity Ralph Rene, you can't flex your legs in the pressurized suit, so the jump energy is a lot lower. And jumps on the moon were dangerous, and not even in the flight plan. So what's the problem here?!
One huge flaw with all of this, the assumption is that any of the astronauts were jumping as high as they could. Again bad science. Just looking at Young's posture as he jumped its quite evident that he wasn't trying very hard. Id like to see someone jump 18 inches while hardly bending their knees on Earth.
No you said that the assumption "is that any of the astronauts were jumping as high as they could."
No one is making that assumption. They are making the observation that the astronauts were playing around with jumping high, and that they don't get that high.
in the flag clip after the jump,not shown here but anyone who wants will find it,the 2nd naught goes for his turn but has the weight lifted to soon and almost floats.
That's a good point, but they did quite a lot all in all. They took time to deploy the damn American flag every single time, make the damn salute, supposedly shot golf balls, fell quite a lot, drove the Lunar Ranger on rocky ground at full speed, etc...
The astronauts were test pilots who took great risks,But i dont think that they would risk their lives to see how high they could jump on the moon with just a few millimetres of cloth between them and certain death should the suit get damaged.
I can jump 2 feet in the air. I can also jump 1 inch... depends what I feel like. Ever think he wasn't trying to jump as high as possible?... maybe stay in the frame because of the picture? You COULD jump 14 feet on the moon... why would you want to?
You mention the simulated jumps with weighted backpacks were "not noticeably impaired" but leave out the following sentences: "The subjects were observed to crouch all the way to their heels, a distance of about 24 inches, in their attempts to achieve these maximum heights" and "the timing and coordination of the jumping motions was difficult and required considerable concentration in order to achieve the maximum heights." Such high jumps were hard, even while wearing street clothes and shoes.
The hoax proponents shuld be classed as a new type of mental case.
Why is it that millions of people haven't simply faked their trips to other countries? They come back with pictures, memorabilia, and testimony.
The Apollo project is simply too big to grasp by hoax proponents' limited knowledge and mental ability.
Hoax conspiracy could and should be subject to a socio-psychiatric study, because I think it would yield valuable research about fear-based denial of human ability.
Agree on that El135o. I am sick of these 'truthfinders' and distrusters. Insulting dedicated people, shouting "fake!" or worse at magnificent results of engineering and courage.
The moonlandings were reality, starting in 1969.
I'm going to celebrate the 40th aniversary of Apollo 11 monday.
Spot on. One thing that puzzles me about the Hoax proponents' is that they believe the evidence contains 'inconsistencies' that are invisible to professional scientists but are glaringly obvious to the layman,
The simple fact that you are unable to make it through an intire comment without
the use of petty name-calling and childish insults only further proves that your arguement is weak, please try to grow up and debate like an adult, thank you.
The simple fact is that there is a remarkable amount of incontrovertible proof that the Moon landings took place, and a remamrkable amount of dunderheaded hearsay and misconception for the reverse 'case'.
Now that the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has returned photos of Apollo landing sites showing LM descent stages, ALSEP deployment and, yes, footprint trails, there's no denying that American manned landings took place.
I just searched "Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter photos" on Google and I have to say it's not very convincing, it just shows arrow claiming to be footprints and instruments, but they are only little vague dots and show no close-ups and prove nothing, hmmmn?
I have to commend you though on your last comment, it is refreshing to see a comment from a moon landing believer absent the insults and name-calling,
It's not 'convincing' because you're in denial of reality.
Here, try this: why would the Soviet Union not tell the world the Americans had faked Apollo 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17? The USSR had its own lunar missions, tests of an unmanned Soyuz-type lunar craft, from 1968 through 1970. As such, their network easily tracked ALL American manned lunar missions.
There is nothing in the historical record that the Soviets cried 'FAKE'. Please explain.
@El135o I could easily draw a picture of mars, put some arrows on it and say "see, that's where we landed on mars, if your not convinced, it's because you're in denial of reality". The space race, like the cold war was totally fake, the USA and Russia are both controlled by the same bankers. The cold war went on for 40 years, not one bullet was fired, they had countries hiding under their desks and throwing money at their govts to keep them "safe" from Communism/Capitalism, it's all staged.
"The USA and Russia are both controlled by the same bankers"--sigh, ok. Your delusion goes so deep that you've actually taken us right back to my statement that initially irked you:
"Hoax proponents shuld be classed as a new type of mental case."
You use a horrifying system of circular logic and outright personal fabrication. I use tried and tested evidence. There's no dealing with your kind.
Testimony of 24 astronauts, 807 kg of lunar material returned, confirmation from Soviet (and other) sources, confirmation of lunar manned presence by independent radio observers/operators, known orbits of discarded S-IVB lunar trajectory stages, man-placed laser reflectors on lunar surface still in use today, LRO photos showing LM descent stages ...
What "irks" me about moon believers is this desparate need to ridicule rather than debate, you seem to have come around and for that I thank you,
but the arguement is simple, if man can go to the moon as you claim and have yet to prove, than man easily can fake going to the moon and pocket the money.
What irks me about hoax proponents is that they still shrilly trumpet 'FAKE' in the face of hard, incontrovertible proof, simply beacuse they can't accept that travel to the moon was achieved. Your argument that the USA/USSR were involved in a conspiracy because "bankers own them" is the most lunatic notion I've ever heard spewed out.
Your education was a waste of taxpayer dollars. Now let we adults get back to work, please.
@El135o their network easily tracked ALL American manned lunar missions.
LOL WRONG-THEY COULDN'T TRACK SHIT.
Tell me how an ASCENT POD can shoot off the moon with hardly any fuel,no GPS,& only a tiny docking window and RENDEZ VOUS WITH THE CM WHICH WAS DOING 4000 MPH? lol LMFAO. imfuckenpossible. bOY U MOONTARDS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THE NASA NAZI'S TELL U. braindead moontards.
You're dead wrong YOU INCREDIBLE IDIOT. The Soviets sent five Soyuz-derived unmanned lunar craft from 1968-70. The Americans tracked the Soviet craft!
Is that really the reasoning you have? "They couldn't track shit?" You're a shitheel dumbass with absolutely no sense of reason or understanding. Stop talking about what you don't know about AND GROW THE FUCK UP YOU IDIOT.
@El135o You are dumber than a pile of cow shit asshole.WATCH this series u dumb fuck & then watch every other series Jarrah did & u might learn something about the russians space race.I know exacty what i'm taking aboutu ignorant fucktard.LOL
You plainly have no technical knowledge and you get all your information from the Internet--a breeding ground for vapid, slackjawed anti-thinkers like you. The Lunar Reconnaissane Orbiter has returned photos of all LM descent stage sites, ALSEP deploys, and even footprint trails. The Soviets tracked American missions; the Americans tracked Soviet lunar attempts. Your thinking is too smnall and twisted to accept the scope of the Apollo project. Now go smoke your dope.
@El135o I have more technical knowledge than you ever will stupid and that is why i know that noone has ever landed on the moon dummy.
IF u had "HALF A BRAIN"....HALF- U would know that the LRO SHOWED NOTHING U PITIFUL EXCUSE OF A MOONTARD. What i luv is u assholes who BELIEVE nasa's bullshit about foot-trails and all their other L;IES when thephotos show NOTHING....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ASSHOLE. U dumb fuck u must be smoking dope to be that stupid asswipe.BAA-BAA LITTLE SHEEPBOY PARROT LOSER
your comment is 11 months old but still a good point none the less. (to cut it short, please re-read what you put) ....but its my belief that most people that follow conspiracies have a tenancy to observe the minuscule while disregarding the obvious (like youtube grammar nazis) ..over time, (say 40+ years) you can interpret enough data to draw a false conclusion....but to actually fake this and keep it a secret....what is the logistical damage here? ...beyond just doing it probably.
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let me get this right.....they should be able to jump 14 feet? wow thats pretty high considering that 1/6 of 14 feet would be about 2.3 feet which is a helluva jump for a man wearing a 180lb suit....strings or no strings someone PLEASE go grab your buddy, throw them over your shoulder and then clear a 2 feet vertical jump. just because some document records some numbers, think about how they work before creating an entire video stressing something thats not really logical...300+lbs to 14'?
let me get this right.....they should be able to jump 14 feet? wow thats pretty high considering that 1/6 of 14 feet would be about 2.3 feet which is a helluva jump for a man wearing a 180lb suit.
Is he? Tell me how he is before I blow your bs out the window pal because they dropped composited actor-nots on wires in tv studios into the live? moon feed pretty much similar to a scene in Capricorn One.
Because you don't need half a brain to tell that the experiments NASA performed on earth aren't going to match the conditions on the moon? Notice the big harness the guy is wearing so he doesn't lose his balance? Notice the many video clips, including ones shown in here where they lose their balance and fall over?
Not to mention Young is clearly not putting all his effort into the jump.
I said they dropped in composited actor-nots for most of Apollo 15, and for 16 and 17 they were able to mix real astronauts on the moon with actor-nots on wres in tv studios. It was all about ,hiding, scaling, and compositing.
Why would you lose the balance? Many animals jump as high on Earth. Is this the old "backpack" makes it hard to jump claim?
Once you are "airborne" you don't "fall" to any direction any more, due the imbalance of mass. Gravity accelerates all the masses similarly so the packback doesn't "pull" you. If you are balanced when you jump up, there's nothing to pull you backwards when you are off the ground.
If you're wearing a heavy backpack, your centre of mass is back further than you'll be used to. Couple this with unusual conditions and you're bound to not be used to it, which is bound to lead to balance issues.
If you don't know what centre of mass is, do a basic physics class. It's also referred to as centre of gravity, and is basically the point on an object where the mass is focused, and where gravity acts.
And jumping is not walking or standing. The fact that they need to lean forward so far shows they're having difficulty balancing.
I know quite well what a center of mass is. What I don't know, is how does it make you lose your balance while you are airborne (another Apollo believer thought too center of mass would make your fall during a jump!)
And I do know they are leaning forward: that's what I was saying. They lean forwar so little, the backpack causes them no trouble. I've had heavy packbacks. These guys carry their packbacks easy! If you have difficulty with it, you take a much more forward leaning position.
Because if your centre of mass is back further, you're more likely to fall over backwards.
Okay. When you jump, you apply pressure from your feet. If your centre of balance is behind your feet, if, say, you have a heavy backpack on, you'll also apply some torque. This torque will cause a rotation. This rotation will cause you to lose balance and fall over.
You're making a typical thought mistake there. Think of a kangaroo. She leans considerably forward, doesn't she? If you pull her in a human-kind posture, she would be unbalanced. But alike a human with a load, she assumes a position where she is balanced. When you take a load on your back, you lean forward, the center of mass has shifted and you are balanced. That's the whole point of leaning forward.
Waniou137 wrote: "you have a heavy backpack on, you'll also apply some torque. This torque will cause a rotation."
If you make a forward flip, you actually jump forward. Or backwards in a backward flip.
You don't have your arms extended forward/backward to change your center of mass, and then jump upwards hoping to cause a torque. Grasp something heavy and extyend your arms. You notice your body will lean to the opposite direction. And you are balanced before the jump!
The earth has different circumstances. On earth, you can change your torque slightly while you're in the air. You can't do this on the moon. Once you start jumping, if you have a torque at the start of a jump, you can't get rid of that torque until you land.
Waniou137 wrote: "Yes, but when people jump, they tend to stretch out, meaning they're no longer leaning forwards."
You are wrong. Your body seeks to maintain balance at all times. If what you said was true, all lifeforms would lose their balance while trying to jump. If you have a load on one side of your body, you will balance it with leaning, and that balancing doesn't end until the load is dropped. Besides, if you can jump 8ft high, that load isn't heavy at all for your strength!
Well, the evidence is on my side. And if your body seeks to maintain balance based on what it's used to, which is not having a huge bag attached to your back.
You're also forgetting the mass of the backpacks stays the same on the moon and this will harm their ability to resist rotating and falling over.
Which evidence? Those jumps they did behind the rover? Maybe it was made to show that they can't jump high, that it would be dangerous. The other high jumps I know, didn't make them fall on their behind. John Young didn't, neither did Neil Armstrong. So the evidence is also on my side.
If I remember rightly, the jumps behind the rover were also done while they were moving, also causing balance issues. Besides, I never said they would always fall over, just that they would be more prone to it.
Nope, they were standing still. The scene is included in this video starting 03:00. I'm surprised all these physicists defending the manned moonlandings don't have enough common sense to understand that a body automatically corrects imbalance! There's absolutely no reason why they would be prone to fall backwards. This scene is so unrealistic! Know any similar ones?
I'm surprised you think NASA can pull off a massive conspiracy such as this, make so many things so perfectly then purposefully do something like this if it's so unrealistic.
The body automatically corrects imbalanced, based on what it's used to. It is used to Earth's gravity. And again, all it takes is a little torque to wind up falling off-balance because once you start spinning while jumping on the moon, you cannot stop.
Who ever said NASA did a perfect job in faking it? It's hardly only this one scene There are quite many issues the Apollo skeptics have pointed out. They had years time, secret military posts and lots of money to do it. And most of all, they had the motive to do it. And can you say that CIA + Pentagon have been honest all these decades? So what's against common sense in it? I cannot but come to this conclusin seeing how astronauts fall and get pulled up.
Strawman arguments are bad. I'm talking about this particular case. For the astronauts to fall over while suspended by wires, as you claim, it would be done on purpose. This goes beyond not doing a perfect job of faking, if you really think that falling over is unrealistic, and that they're suspended by wires, then NASA deliberately put something in their film that's unrealistic, and quite frankly, they know more about conditions on the moon than you. After all, they've been there :P
And yet your whole answer is a straw man argument. You're making defending your position with the argument , that NASA doesn't make mistakes (especially since they've been there).
Anyway, I made my case. Our body corrects load imbalances automatically, backpack (PLSS) is not heavy for the astronauts, and there are jumps where they don't fall backwards. Hence I'm saying the whole "backpack makes them fall backwards" is "Bush science".
The since they've been there was a joke. Hence the ":P". And no, your argument just has some weird conclusions. How exactly do you claim the astronauts are falling over? If they're being suspended by wires, it's because NASA did it on purpose, which is just a terrible argument.
The moon is still a foreign environment. Your body corrects load imbalances, this is a skill you learn. Not something you're born with. So change things enough (say, slashing gravity) and it becomes more difficult.
I'm thinking the behind the rover scene was made purposedly to show high jumps would be dangerous.
If you reduce the gravity, you no longer know how to maintain your balance? Then astronauts should have crawled like babies! Well, that's simply ridiculous. If they had had troubles with their balance, we would see them waving from one side to another.... But that's not at all what we see! To me their balance seems just fine.
Armstrong, from the 1969 Technical Debrief - "I would say that balance (while walking) was not difficult; however, I did some fairly high jumps and found that there was a tendency to tip over backwards on a high jump. One time I came close to falling and decided that was enough of that."
The highest jump done is probably the John Young's "big navy salute jump". About 46cm (18 inches) high. As you can see, no trouble with balance when jumping or "airborne". When he lands, the backpack jolts slightly downwards. But as it's not heavy on the Moon and fall speed is slow, it's no problem to his Earth muscles.
It looks much riskier to me when an astronaut runs down a hill, and falls.
there arent any videos of it here you have to watch the entire apollo 11 eva. its just after they read the plaque, buzz starts jumping and neil copies him and stops after you can see him tip backwards slightly. its difficult to tell how high he jumped because the video only shows from the waist up
Yeah that jump scene is well known. It's behind the rover jumping.Notice in the same scene, either of them adjusts something with his hand, and is then pulled up... err.. jumps up. About as high jumps as behind the rover jumps. He doesn't fall. But when they go jumping behind the rover, they fall every jump. That never happened later. I'm saying it was done to explain why the astronauts would not jump. As they should be jumping several feets high, but don't.
no that footage your talking about is from apollo 16. but there is a similar scenario in apollo 11. armstrong said he almost fell backwards when he jumped so thats why he stopped doing it. charlie duke in apollo 16 did the same thing except he did fall and in his book he wrote he was scared for his life. possibly when the astronauts were back on earth they told one another not to jump high or youll fall on your arse. although they probably knew this already and didnt bother trying
Yeah that's what I was wondering in the behind rover jumping. Why would you intentionally jump and fall, a few times, when your life depends on the PLSS and spacesuit.
Could you point the video clip involved with Armstrong's jump, from theApollo Lunar Surface Journals Website?
according to the A16 journal 170:22:08, charlie dukes jump which caused him to fall over was about 82cm. this was estimated as the second highest jump. the first highest is at 0:34 seconds in the lunar olympics clip, made by john young, which measured a few cm higher. and you can see he tips backwards but manages to keep his feet. also in the 4th jump of that clip you can see him lean forward in the air to maintain balance. he is also holding on the rover to stop from falling backwards
Yeah the "Lunar Olympics" (the jumps done behind the rover) are a bit higher than the "big navy salute jump." It's about a knees-to-belly high jump, as those are body parts seen before and highest point of Duke's jump.
Zagabog claimed you lose your balance when airborne because of the backpack. I said you lose it when launching the jump. Here Duke falls, Young doesn't. You can see Duke's jump is off balanced from the start. His feet kick when he is flying, as he knows he will fall.
Yep, of course that rover scene is not from Apollo 11, no rover with the mission even. But there is an only waist up jumping scene also in Apollo 11? Well, well. That's a strange coincidense. I wonder why John Young jumps twice, fully visible, and doesn't fall. Maybe he didn't remember it was supposed to be dangerous?
actually the armstrong jumping is full body. i hadnt seen it in a while. but the quality isnt very good so its hard to tell how high he jumped. according to the journal it was about 50cm which is slightly higher than john youngs salute jump.
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from 24 minute mark
apollo 11 journal is 109:44:28
the timestamp for apollo 16 lunar olympics is 170:21:44
I found the video clip from the Apollo Lunar Journals. File name a11v.1094423.rm.
Yep, you can see Armstron except almost full body. But he doesn't fall in these jumos he does, nor does he seem to have any sort of balance problem. I sure can't see him "almost falling" as you said.
He doesn't jump even as high as John Young. Put your mouse cursor highest point his boots reach. Almost knee high jumps.
Lunar Journals claim Armstrong's jumps were about 0,5 meters. That would be about the same heigth as Young's jumps, which I measured from the video being about 0,46 meters (18 inches). To me Armstron's jumps appear somewhat lower, but I'm fine with either way.
Both jumps about same height, both jumps still far from what one would expect on the Moon as good sized jumps. Neither falls when doing the jumps.
its uncertain how much effort hes putting in to each jump. perhaps its possible to jump 14 feet with maximum effort. although this would be very dangerous. they were obviously being very caucious when it came to jumping. and charlie dukes jump shows how dangerous a just a 3 foot jump can be
@idsuperman1, Yeah go back and watch Transformers you moron
pieceof865 1 month ago
Look at the debris kicked up at their feet as they jump, the particulate falls straight to the ground
pieceof865 1 month ago
@pieceof865 watch?v=9S30XLds5gc
WhiteJarrah 1 month ago
your a sap dude watch some of the videos of the rovers burning out and the dirt thrown up this cant happen with 9 volt batteries unless ur in low gravity duhhh
idsuperman1 3 months ago
Go back to school and study some physics kid, this video is fucking retarded.
SenatorN 3 months ago
nasa getting smoked by this kid!
SuperTripps 3 months ago
this guy is hilarious!
SuperTripps 3 months ago
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TheFireForEffect 5 months ago
Keep up the good work. Forget the hating from medicated dumb Americans high on aspartame and fluoride.
DesignSound 5 months ago in playlist MoonFaker: Wires and Slow Motion
In this video: Australian moron jealous that he lives in a country who's biggest accomplishment is the boomerang.
TUNEa5th 6 months ago
@TUNEa5th Not only do you attack him personally you but you attack his country? Is this the typical American at work? YES IT SURE IS!!!!
AbsoluteAMV 5 months ago
Firstly, you are wasting your time trying to debunk the moon landings. The evidence that we did go there far outweighs the 'evidence' that we didnt. And I can clearly see the reason why they didnt jump very high in that video. Look at his knees. He bends them very slightly. if you extrapolate up from that small movement then if he put maximum effort into the jump he would of gone much higher. Those suits are keeping them alive and they certainly didnt want to damage them by leaping three feet.
JandHfilms 7 months ago
What about the dirt / dust that is kicked up, why does it fall back down, wouldn't it be thrown up and out a few feet?
YngwieSchenker 7 months ago
Where is part 2?
daro2096 7 months ago
@7KMedia Guess you missed the debate between Rogan and Plait. Plait did say the suits were too heavy for big jumps. Why don't you try actually researching the bullshit guys like the terrible astrologer say, before spouting off like an ignorant PAN? You might learn something!
un4g1v3n1 8 months ago
@7KMedia Your problem is you cannot discern the difference between scared shitless men on a lunar surface, with nothing but an artificial atmosphere within their space suit, keeping them from a particularly nasty kind of death, for a bunch of fucking astroactors falling down, laughing, singing, golfing, and doing other nonsensical things, void of any realistic emotion during times when they could have ruptured their suit, and ensuring that PAINFUL, NASTY DEATH I spoke of. PAN FAIL AGAIN!
un4g1v3n1 8 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 ...astronauts were brave men. You fail at everything you do.
1AirStreamDriver1 7 months ago
@1AirStreamDriver1 Apollo astronuts were coward, liars, and thieves. They deserve to be shot for treason. And you deserve to be banished to the land of dipshits!
un4g1v3n1 7 months ago
Having been one of the test subjects and one of the arthurs of the article you are claiming to quoting. The problem is not the back pack or balcnce. it is the ability to move the inflated sui and the muscle responce in one g versus 1/6 g . Suggest you read what is said , Accurately quote the article and read the additional research tha is available. The walking in the film is in lunar gravity based on the lunar looping that can not be replicated in one g in a suit. Amos A Spady Jr.
amspady 9 months ago
@amspady Hello Amos, I read all 22 pages of the article but couldn't find any discussion of the effects of inflated suits or muscle responses in different gravity strengths. All I could find were online videos showing the test subjects jumping in inflated and uninflated suits, and the inflated suit jumps were still considerably higher than the Apollo videos. Could you provide more information or links to suitable articles?
WhiteJarrah 9 months ago
@7KMedia "I'm sorry, but I believe the guy is an idiot. Have you ever actually listened to some of his arguments? He severaly contradicts himself right in this video."
Well you got the first part right, you are SORRY! Now, how about pointing out the contradictions you speak of? Come on, just one! Your comment falls flat without at least one example now doesn't it?
If you need a psuedo-intellectual imposter to look at, try gazing into your bathroom mirror.
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
You are incredibly disrespectful to the worlds space team
tentheagle 10 months ago
@billybussey wouldn't that happen because the dirt/rock is more dense than the astronaut? i honestly don't know. maybe the effect of density is exaggerated on the moon. also, and this is a more general question, don't you think they're not jumping as high because they're barely bending their knees? just wondering what the responses are. thanks
smosh704 1 year ago
@smosh704 The density wouldn't matter very much at all. A person should still drop at the same pace of a rock. I am curious about the jumping though. He's not bending his legs too much, but i'm pretty sure I could still muster a jump at least six or seven inches with that much bend (which would become thirty or forty inches). These guys were theoretically in great shape as well.
RymanF350 10 months ago
You can clearly see that the dirt kicked up by the astronauts shoes falls faster than they do. I think that fact is more convincing than anything else.
billybussey 1 year ago
People give Jarrah so much shit. He's a genius and a hardworker with a cause. I believe he's right, but whether he is or not he deserves credit. he does more research than any of you have, spends quite a bit of money and really works hard for his cause. Jarrah is not an idiot or stupid, the guy's a genius.
yesiamawizardjonny 1 year ago
@yesiamawizardjonny ...If he's a genius why would he waste so much time in such a futile pursuit as proving the Moon landings were a hoax? You think if Einstein were alive it would take him more than 5 seconds to discount this Moon hoax sillyness? Meanwhile Jarrah has wasted his talents for 5 years on it.
teddysalad65 1 year ago 5
@teddysalad65 Jarrah hasn't wasted anytime. He's inspired me to begin making videos and getting involved in the moon hoax. Einstein would not prove such a ridiculous thing as the moon landings.
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny ...johnnywiz ,....as soon as you make those videos let me know, Just do it on a Monday or Tuesday when I have the time to watch, ok? Let Jarrah know too, but I doubt he has the time for you, lol.
1AirStreamDriver1 7 months ago
@1AirStreamDriver1 I do already make videos... Funny, Jarrah and I talk all the time. He's one of my better friends in the hoax community and considering I've never met him, he's probably my best virtual friend haha. I've been looking into some things he's brought up with me, and keeping him posted about my latest contacts with NASA. I have videos up, just go check em out.
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny ..those are all "beginner" videos, made by hoax sheep....that's why you have 300 views after 1 month. They don't prove anything...even less than Jarrahs videos. Try to make your life worthwhile by doing something important, not doing silly stuff on the Moon Hoax channels. Good luck and I hope you turn your life around.
1AirStreamDriver1 7 months ago
@1AirStreamDriver1 I have only little over 300 views because they're no where near as well produced as the moon faker videos. They prove what they need to. Enough to show the moon landings were fake... did you even watch any of them? I'm not gonna turn my life around in the wrong direction by believing the moon landings.
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
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@yesiamawizardjonny ... can I ask you why you changed your mind so quickly on the moon???
pt1gard 4 months ago
@1AirStreamDriver1 Btw... Jarrah watches my videos too... he's subbed to my account... as am I to his channel...
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny ...If you worship Jarrah, you need to to take a rest.
1AirStreamDriver1 7 months ago
@1AirStreamDriver1 I don't worship Jarrah at all... He's a great asset to the hoax community and actually a very nice guy. He's the reason propgandists like you run for the hills when you hear the word MoonFaker.
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
@teddysalad65 Very true. Einstein commented on a paper written about him called "one hundred scientists against Einstein" He said "If I was wrong, one would of been enough"
JandHfilms 7 months ago
I try to be fair to both sides and check out this conspiracy videos from time to time, but the arguments are always so technically pathetic. You have to really want to believe that the moon shots were fake in the first place to buy any of these so-called arguments.
MrToadMaster 1 year ago
Why would astronauts jump fourteen feet and risk damaging his suit due to a fall and, in effect, putting his life and the mission at risk?
LARZ6079 1 year ago 5
@LARZ6079 What? He's only 250,000 miles from help. Shesh.
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@LARZ6079 That's the most pathetic argument I've ever heard. Young jumped as high as he could, he could only get 19 inches.
yesiamawizardjonny 7 months ago
ur a total idiot pal get a life u sound like a drunk aussie hahahahahaha .... what a fuckin idiot hahahahahahahh
SuperExplorer1 1 year ago
Your episode here doesn't answer the fundimental question about why there are no high jumps recorded by the Apollo astronauts on the moon; could they have jumped but chose, or ordered not to. Your assertion falls apart by showing the additional video of the men jumping higher next to the lunar rover. One falls backwards after jumping higher. I really doubt that the astronauts would risk damaging their suits, and buy extension the mission and possibly their lives.
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Aurinkohirvi 1 year ago
Bet these Guys can prove that Kennedy shot himself... with the aid of a NASA team...
mushroomagicman 1 year ago
Tell me how an ASCENT POD can shoot off the moon with hardly any fuel,no GPS,& only a tiny docking window and RENDEZ VOUS WITH THE CM WHICH WAS DOING 4000 MPH? lol LMFAO. imfuckenpossible. bOY U MOONTARDS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THE NASA NAZI'S TELL U. braindead moontards.
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
The LM ascent module had two fuel/oxidizer systems with plenty of thrust to put it into a 7x50 miles elliptical orbit above the Moon. The ascent LM weighed 10,000 pounds--1/6 of that, in lunar gravity. Once the ascent engine shut down, the astronauts used the RCS thrusters to nudge the orbit higher in order to meet the CSM. Orbital velocity at that altitude is about 1.5 km/sec. The LM had its own guidance computer, radar, two forward windows and, yes, an overhead docking window.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o The LM had its own guidance computer, radar, two forward windows and, yes, an overhead docking window.
BLAH,BLAH,BLAH & COULD NOT TRAVEL AT 4000 mph U DUMB FUCKING ASSHOLE. SAVE YOUR NASA BULLSHIT LIES to some other moontard asshole that will believe your fucking nonsense. Bet u never even saw a real ascent rocket motor-LAUGHABLE-fit it in a size 13 shoebox-no fucking way to propel a fucking banana to40000 MPH. lol
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
Sorry man, you're mentally ill. No, the Ascent Module engine was considerably larger that a "shoebox"--and was capable of 3,500 lbs of thrust in a gravity field 1/6 that of Earth's. Thus the engine had to lift only 1,600 lbs off the lunar surface--10,000 pounds of ascent module in lunar gravity, right, shitheel? So the engine had TWICE the power needed. Very easily accelerated to ~3,600 MPH.
Anyway, I went to university--you should have. Now go smoke your dope.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o the Ascent Module engine was considerably larger that a "shoebox"
NO IT ISN'T YOU DUMB FUCK- I ALMOST HELD IT IN MY HANDS ASSHOLE.
IT WAS LESS THAN 2 FEET FROM MY HANDS ASSWIPE.
I graduated from the UNIVERSITY a long time ago asshole.BTW i put about another 30 to 40 years more after that shithead.
cadu1995 1 year ago
@ed11561
Why would you need a GPS to get into lunar orbit? All you need is fuel, engine, and a computer to calculate the orbit and control the ignition/shutdown times precisely. Ignition at the time when the CSM is in the position and you'll meet up in orbit. It's called orbital mechanics. Sorry your thinking is too small to grasp basic physics and orbital rendezvous. Also, the current LRO probe has returned photos of the LM descent stages sitting on the Moon where they were left 1969-72.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o U dumb fuck- how is a POD going to catch up to a CM doing 4000 MPH u fucking asshole? HOW? IT CAN'T U DUMB FUCK. I made it easy for your brainless mind.LOL Forget the gps asshole-that's way over your head.
ASSHOLE THE LRO SHOW NOTHING U BRAINWASHED LITTLE FUCKTARD.
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
I told you--now read slowly, carefully, and put a cold cloth on your forehead if need be: the LM Ascent Module engine produced 3,500 lbs of thrust 0.3 seconds after ignition. The Ascent Module weighed 10,000 lbs on Earth--but just 1,600 lbs. in lunar gravity. Thus the ascent engine had plenty of thrust to launch the craft to 3,600 MPH. The RCS thrusters took over after that. Now, stop reading and breathe--and put another cold cloth on your head (removing your tinfoil hat first).
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o lol WHAT AN ASSHOLE-you're copying shit from nasa & the rest u make up
to fit your lies. NO FUCKING WAY IN THE WORLD COULD A POD GO TO 4000 MPH U DUMB FUCKNG RETARD.
aulis dot com/jackstudies_4.html THAT is a photo from NASA of the LM on the moon supposdly. Look at it dummy.TAKE OFF YOUR FUCKING BLINDERS ASSHOLE. No way is the POD on top going to get anywhere NEAR that speed u brainwashed fucktard. lol Boy if u guys were any dumber-YOU'D be VEGETABLES.
cadu1995 1 year ago
@cadu1995
The ascent engine bell was some two feet across and the engine itself provided 3,500 lbs of thrust. The LM ascent stage in the lunar environment weighed 1,600 lbs. Now put aside your vicious attitude and do a little math.
You were holding an RCS thruster in your hands--one of those would fit in a shoebox. Also, UDMH and nitorgen tetroxide fuel/oxidizer produces an intense combustion; a highly useful means of launching a "pod" as you call it.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o I didn't say anything about an engine bell asshole- i said the engine-I GUESS U CAN'T FUCKING READ EITHER.Lord knows you can't spell worth a fuck.LOL
EVERYONE calls it an ASCENT POD Asshole. That's what it's called u retard fuck.
NO WAY IN THE WORLD WOULD THAT BE PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO GET UP TO 4000 MPH U BRAINDEAD ASSHOLE.
aulis dot com/jackstudies_4.html
LOOK AT IT U FUCKING RETARD-IT'S HELD TOGETHER WITH DUCT TAPE ASSHOLE.That's a NASA PHOTO STUPID. what a fucking loser u are.lol
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
No, you're the only schmuck who calls the Lunar Module ascent stage a "pod." No, the LM wasn't held together with "duct tape"--your brain is--it was skinned with Kapton, mylar, etc. No, I don't use suspicious websites for knowledge--that's what ill-informed paranoiacs like you do.
Get some psychiatric help, stop threatening/spamming my account, and get some medication into you. You're simply a loudmouth who's constructed a paranoid fantasy around him. Mental illness--know the signs.
El135o 1 year ago
@ed11561
The "engine" is comprised of the valves that allow fuel/oxidizer into the combustion chamber, and the exhaust bell where the resultant explosive mixture exits, causing thrust. Why you keep blathering about "shoeboxes" I don't know. An RCS thruster quad mount was about the size of a shoebox.
Your head is smaller that a shoebox, but your hysterical paranoiac loudmouth behaviour is considerably larger. Now, go away and read some NASA manuals before you open your childish mouth again.
El135o 1 year ago
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@El135o I didn't say anything about an engine bell asshole- i said the engine-I GUESS U CAN'T FUCKING READ EITHER.Lord knows you can't spell worth a fuck.LOL
EVERYONE calls it an ASCENT POD Asshole. That's what it's called u retard fuck.
NO WAY IN THE WORLD WOULD THAT BE PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO GET UP TO 4000 MPH U BRAINDEAD ASSHOLE.
aulis dot com/jackstudies_4.html
LOOK AT IT U FUCKING RETARD-IT'S HELD TOGETHER WITH DUCT TAPE ASSHOLE.That's a NASA PHOTO STUPID. what a fucking loser u are.lol
ed11561 1 year ago
@El135o BTW out of all the moontards on utube that know 1000% more than you NONE of them would even try to answer the pod question because they know it's fucking IMPOSSIBLE ASSHOLE.Guys that make films & download videos & actually READ BOOKS. And you FAIL MISERABLY in your stupid assertion. LOL
cadu1995 1 year ago
@cadu1995
I answered the "pod question" with technical facts well-documented and proven. You reply with violence, insults, and more conspiracy websites!
No, the LM ascent engine was considerably larger than a shoebox. More the size of a 55-gal drum with a two-foot nozzle attached. Anyway, your shouting is tiresome and no, being a trucking school graduatye doesn't mean you went to university. And stop spamming my account with repeated messages or I'll report you.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o You didn't answer shit asshole. U gave some made-up bullshit of an asshole sheep who drools uncontrolable when nasa makes a statement-even if it is a lie.
The ascent motor asshole-could fit in a size 13 shoebox asshole-i was 8 inches away romit U DUMB FUCKING MORON.U might try going to a fucking aviation museum instead of reading a nasa page stupid.
"being a trucking school graduatye" YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL "GRADUATE" U DUMB FUCKING RETARD.lol douchebag asshole.
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
From your own page: "In GOOGLE and in YOUTUBE if u search deep enough,u will find out how u have been lied to.Not so called "conspiracy theories" but FACTS.that are doubled checked thru other sites,brought out by FOIA requests and others by people in the agencies themselves(whistleblowers)DEA,FBI,CIA,POLICE(MikeRuppert in particular.) "
You're a paranoid delusional tinfoil-hatted conspiracy theorist. There's no cure for that; your fantasy is too complete. Goodbye and good riddance.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o REALITY & FACTUAL OCCURANCES IS NOT PARANOID OR DELUSIONAL U MORONIC FUCKING ASSHOLE.LOL No fantasy on my page or in my life like you moontard. You don't even question because u r an ignorant asshole who wouldn't know REALITY if it bit you in the ass schmuck. LOL fuck off moontard
ed11561 1 year ago
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@El135o "In GOOGLE and in YOUTUBE if u search deep enough,u will find out how u have been lied to.Not so called "conspiracy theories" but FACTS.that are doubled checked thru other sites,brought out by FOIA requests and others by people in the agencies themselves(whistleblowers)DEA,FBI,CIA,POLICE(MikeRuppert in particular.) "
THAT'S BEING PARANOID U DUMB FUCK?IT'S CALLED REALITY ASSHOLE-SOMETHING THAT MOONTARDS & APOLLO-NUTS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.JUST LISTEN TO THE NASA NAZI'S-LOL FUCKING MORON
ed11561 1 year ago
Some people just can't comprehend the achievement of what NASA achieved in the 1960s. It's quite sad really, but doesn't change the fact that we went.
Deal with it.
WinchesterRanger 1 year ago
@jarrahwhite: i'd say if those backpacks were solid-steel containers filled with the right quantity of helium then the upward buoyancy of the helium containers could be the reason the astronauts were able to jump the way nasa wanted them to. since they didn't need any breathable oxygen which could have been taken from the atmosphere and circulated through the suit.
one thing though: how could the sand / dirt not smog in the air? sand falls to the surface. this had to be in vacuum. beats me!
zambi007i 1 year ago
Nothing convincing in this video at all. Nothing.
Still haven't accounted for the recent photos of the lunar modules on the moon
daggyz1959 1 year ago
So what about all of the moon rocks examined by geologists?
desmo986 1 year ago
I noticed at 7:59 the astronauts took a little dip or mini jump before the big jump. Who does that on a jump unless you're doing it to put pressing on a spring board or trampoline?
Justinascent 1 year ago 2
@Justinascent I meant "to put pressure..."
Justinascent 1 year ago
If I was stranded on the moon with no help I wouldn't start my day with the risk of jumping because it's fun, I have a job to do also and I'm not stupid enough to risk my life to see how high I can jump. Anything could happen when i fall down and my life support pack could fail because of the impact from a rock or something.
Also, they're wearing tremendously clumsy spacesuits.
thesoulhack 1 year ago
@thesoulhack: see the videos once again. the astronauts fell down not once, but many times. almost all of them. why did they risk that? and the shot from behind the rover shows them jumping insanely high? why did they risk such a jump? their spacesuits "are" tremendously clumsy. then how come they could maneuver themselves in vacuum knowing fully well they could risk a puncture falling on a sharp rock? they had a job to do, so they did! and found time to play golf and bunny-hop?
zambi007i 1 year ago
@zambi007i
I think a lot of their bunny hop and playing golf also is a part of their job as to test their environments. I did see them jump and fall many times yes but I don't think they tried to break any jump-on-the-moon-records exactly.
thesoulhack 1 year ago
@thesoulhack: no sane nasa administrator would allow such time-wasting activities. instead, they could have educated so many children all over the world about other things on the moon. they could easily see stars facing opposite the sun, and tell the world how the planets (if they were in the moon-sky at that time) and stars looked, if they twinkled or not, any many other experiments for students. sorry, no academic would agree on how environment testing would mean doing cock-a-hoop!
zambi007i 1 year ago
You're not taking into account that the astronauts jumping aren't even tryingg to jump high. The Test subject in the training videos are trying to get as much heigh as possible, bending their knees all the way down to get to the highest level.
The astronauts have probably also gotten a don't-jump-to-high-warning as it could happen something severe when they land. As you can see in the video, when they try to jump high they have a tendency to get pulled back by their backpack. cont.
thesoulhack 1 year ago
search MoonFaker: The Flags Are Alive. PART 1. and watch it.
unity100 1 year ago
Who sais he was ttying to jump as high as possible? Nobody said they were trying to jump the max height.
spoooky18 1 year ago
has anyone pointed out that jumping in space suits isn't exactly the easiest thing to do, movement is very restricted its not a problem of weight?
Turtle342 1 year ago
Why does the illuminati need to you to beleive the Apollo lie so much?
How will you believe the coming fake "alien" invasion/disclosure to help bring in the anti-Christs 7 year New World Order if you can't believe that we can even get off this litle rock? Listen to Hawking, and avoid all contact with these grigori!
AlienshateU 1 year ago
Jarrah finds an old NASA memo, applies his stunning ignorance of math and science, finds an "inconsistency" with Apollo reality, and blames it on a shadowy "conspiracy". Breathtaking!
The earth jump tests were of men in street clothes on cables with no risk of falling, jumping as high as they could. Apollo astronauts were 380,000 km from home on an alien world, wearing a suit and PLSS that doubled their mass and also kept them alive. And gymnastics weren't on the flight plan.
Give me a break!
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
The physics is REALLY simple, Jarrah. Even you can understand it.
Potential energy at the top of the jump is weight times height, so 1/6 gravity means 6x height for the same mass and energy. But the suit/PLSS doubles your mass, so lunar jumps are only 3x earth jumps, max.
And according to your deity Ralph Rene, you can't flex your legs in the pressurized suit, so the jump energy is a lot lower. And jumps on the moon were dangerous, and not even in the flight plan. So what's the problem here?!
ApolloWasReal 1 year ago
One huge flaw with all of this, the assumption is that any of the astronauts were jumping as high as they could. Again bad science. Just looking at Young's posture as he jumped its quite evident that he wasn't trying very hard. Id like to see someone jump 18 inches while hardly bending their knees on Earth.
SPYK3O 2 years ago
Not really. They're assuming that at some point, the astronauts would've tried to jump higher than 15% of their potential. Bad argument.
WackyDumpsite 2 years ago
yeah that's pretty much what I said a month ago.
SPYK3O 2 years ago
No you said that the assumption "is that any of the astronauts were jumping as high as they could."
No one is making that assumption. They are making the observation that the astronauts were playing around with jumping high, and that they don't get that high.
WackyDumpsite 2 years ago
in the flag clip after the jump,not shown here but anyone who wants will find it,the 2nd naught goes for his turn but has the weight lifted to soon and almost floats.
bigfist255 2 years ago
the apollogists tell me how strong these suits were when i ask why are the kicking rocks and laugh when they trip?you cant have it both ways.
bigfist255 2 years ago
That's a good point, but they did quite a lot all in all. They took time to deploy the damn American flag every single time, make the damn salute, supposedly shot golf balls, fell quite a lot, drove the Lunar Ranger on rocky ground at full speed, etc...
Simboiss 2 years ago
The astronauts were test pilots who took great risks,But i dont think that they would risk their lives to see how high they could jump on the moon with just a few millimetres of cloth between them and certain death should the suit get damaged.
fiesta1100 2 years ago
I can jump 2 feet in the air. I can also jump 1 inch... depends what I feel like. Ever think he wasn't trying to jump as high as possible?... maybe stay in the frame because of the picture? You COULD jump 14 feet on the moon... why would you want to?
therealkidfrombrookl 2 years ago
also, he doesnt bend his knees very much when he jumps. the more you squat the higher you jump
kooldog98 2 years ago
You mention the simulated jumps with weighted backpacks were "not noticeably impaired" but leave out the following sentences: "The subjects were observed to crouch all the way to their heels, a distance of about 24 inches, in their attempts to achieve these maximum heights" and "the timing and coordination of the jumping motions was difficult and required considerable concentration in order to achieve the maximum heights." Such high jumps were hard, even while wearing street clothes and shoes.
RobHinkley 2 years ago
The hoax proponents shuld be classed as a new type of mental case.
Why is it that millions of people haven't simply faked their trips to other countries? They come back with pictures, memorabilia, and testimony.
The Apollo project is simply too big to grasp by hoax proponents' limited knowledge and mental ability.
Hoax conspiracy could and should be subject to a socio-psychiatric study, because I think it would yield valuable research about fear-based denial of human ability.
El135o 2 years ago 2
Agree on that El135o. I am sick of these 'truthfinders' and distrusters. Insulting dedicated people, shouting "fake!" or worse at magnificent results of engineering and courage.
The moonlandings were reality, starting in 1969.
I'm going to celebrate the 40th aniversary of Apollo 11 monday.
Rob260259 2 years ago
Spot on. One thing that puzzles me about the Hoax proponents' is that they believe the evidence contains 'inconsistencies' that are invisible to professional scientists but are glaringly obvious to the layman,
CharmingLordSausage 2 years ago
@El135o
The simple fact that you are unable to make it through an intire comment without
the use of petty name-calling and childish insults only further proves that your arguement is weak, please try to grow up and debate like an adult, thank you.
SameBatChannel1 1 year ago
@SameBatChannel1
The simple fact is that there is a remarkable amount of incontrovertible proof that the Moon landings took place, and a remamrkable amount of dunderheaded hearsay and misconception for the reverse 'case'.
Now that the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has returned photos of Apollo landing sites showing LM descent stages, ALSEP deployment and, yes, footprint trails, there's no denying that American manned landings took place.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o
I just searched "Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter photos" on Google and I have to say it's not very convincing, it just shows arrow claiming to be footprints and instruments, but they are only little vague dots and show no close-ups and prove nothing, hmmmn?
I have to commend you though on your last comment, it is refreshing to see a comment from a moon landing believer absent the insults and name-calling,
thank you for that!
~Peace
SameBatChannel1 1 year ago
@SameBatChannel1
It's not 'convincing' because you're in denial of reality.
Here, try this: why would the Soviet Union not tell the world the Americans had faked Apollo 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17? The USSR had its own lunar missions, tests of an unmanned Soyuz-type lunar craft, from 1968 through 1970. As such, their network easily tracked ALL American manned lunar missions.
There is nothing in the historical record that the Soviets cried 'FAKE'. Please explain.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o I could easily draw a picture of mars, put some arrows on it and say "see, that's where we landed on mars, if your not convinced, it's because you're in denial of reality". The space race, like the cold war was totally fake, the USA and Russia are both controlled by the same bankers. The cold war went on for 40 years, not one bullet was fired, they had countries hiding under their desks and throwing money at their govts to keep them "safe" from Communism/Capitalism, it's all staged.
SameBatChannel1 1 year ago
@SameBatChannel1
"The USA and Russia are both controlled by the same bankers"--sigh, ok. Your delusion goes so deep that you've actually taken us right back to my statement that initially irked you:
"Hoax proponents shuld be classed as a new type of mental case."
You use a horrifying system of circular logic and outright personal fabrication. I use tried and tested evidence. There's no dealing with your kind.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o - What evidence have you given? A drawing of the moon with arrows pointing at it?I challenge anyone reading this to google:
"Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter photos", what you claim to be your "evidence"
and explain to mke how that proves we went to the moon.
SameBatChannel1 1 year ago
@SameBatChannel1
Testimony of 24 astronauts, 807 kg of lunar material returned, confirmation from Soviet (and other) sources, confirmation of lunar manned presence by independent radio observers/operators, known orbits of discarded S-IVB lunar trajectory stages, man-placed laser reflectors on lunar surface still in use today, LRO photos showing LM descent stages ...
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o
What "irks" me about moon believers is this desparate need to ridicule rather than debate, you seem to have come around and for that I thank you,
but the arguement is simple, if man can go to the moon as you claim and have yet to prove, than man easily can fake going to the moon and pocket the money.
SameBatChannel1 1 year ago
@SameBatChannel1
What irks me about hoax proponents is that they still shrilly trumpet 'FAKE' in the face of hard, incontrovertible proof, simply beacuse they can't accept that travel to the moon was achieved. Your argument that the USA/USSR were involved in a conspiracy because "bankers own them" is the most lunatic notion I've ever heard spewed out.
Your education was a waste of taxpayer dollars. Now let we adults get back to work, please.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o
Work?
SameBatChannel1 1 year ago
@SameBatChannel1
Work, yes. It's what reasongin adults do. What YOU do is childish.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o " It's what reasongin adults do"
WHAT UNIVERSITY DID YOU GO TO THAT DIDN'T EVEN TEACH YOU HOW TO SPELL DUMMY? REASONING is how you spell it. I guess you FLUNKED OUT & never finished.
cadu1995 1 year ago
@El135o
reasongin ?
SameBatChannel1 1 year ago
@El135o their network easily tracked ALL American manned lunar missions.
LOL WRONG-THEY COULDN'T TRACK SHIT.
Tell me how an ASCENT POD can shoot off the moon with hardly any fuel,no GPS,& only a tiny docking window and RENDEZ VOUS WITH THE CM WHICH WAS DOING 4000 MPH? lol LMFAO. imfuckenpossible. bOY U MOONTARDS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THE NASA NAZI'S TELL U. braindead moontards.
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
You're dead wrong YOU INCREDIBLE IDIOT. The Soviets sent five Soyuz-derived unmanned lunar craft from 1968-70. The Americans tracked the Soviet craft!
Is that really the reasoning you have? "They couldn't track shit?" You're a shitheel dumbass with absolutely no sense of reason or understanding. Stop talking about what you don't know about AND GROW THE FUCK UP YOU IDIOT.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o You are dumber than a pile of cow shit asshole.WATCH this series u dumb fuck & then watch every other series Jarrah did & u might learn something about the russians space race.I know exacty what i'm taking aboutu ignorant fucktard.LOL
Grow up-What are u 8?asshole.
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561
You plainly have no technical knowledge and you get all your information from the Internet--a breeding ground for vapid, slackjawed anti-thinkers like you. The Lunar Reconnaissane Orbiter has returned photos of all LM descent stage sites, ALSEP deploys, and even footprint trails. The Soviets tracked American missions; the Americans tracked Soviet lunar attempts. Your thinking is too smnall and twisted to accept the scope of the Apollo project. Now go smoke your dope.
El135o 1 year ago
@El135o I have more technical knowledge than you ever will stupid and that is why i know that noone has ever landed on the moon dummy.
IF u had "HALF A BRAIN"....HALF- U would know that the LRO SHOWED NOTHING U PITIFUL EXCUSE OF A MOONTARD. What i luv is u assholes who BELIEVE nasa's bullshit about foot-trails and all their other L;IES when thephotos show NOTHING....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ASSHOLE. U dumb fuck u must be smoking dope to be that stupid asswipe.BAA-BAA LITTLE SHEEPBOY PARROT LOSER
cadu1995 1 year ago
@El135o
your comment is 11 months old but still a good point none the less. (to cut it short, please re-read what you put) ....but its my belief that most people that follow conspiracies have a tenancy to observe the minuscule while disregarding the obvious (like youtube grammar nazis) ..over time, (say 40+ years) you can interpret enough data to draw a false conclusion....but to actually fake this and keep it a secret....what is the logistical damage here? ...beyond just doing it probably.
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uji34 2 years ago
let me get this right.....they should be able to jump 14 feet? wow thats pretty high considering that 1/6 of 14 feet would be about 2.3 feet which is a helluva jump for a man wearing a 180lb suit....strings or no strings someone PLEASE go grab your buddy, throw them over your shoulder and then clear a 2 feet vertical jump. just because some document records some numbers, think about how they work before creating an entire video stressing something thats not really logical...300+lbs to 14'?
destin325 2 years ago
let me get this right.....they should be able to jump 14 feet? wow thats pretty high considering that 1/6 of 14 feet would be about 2.3 feet which is a helluva jump for a man wearing a 180lb suit.
destin325 2 years ago
I asked a physicist to look at this. Their comment was:
The speaker is very ignorant of basic physics, and contradicts himself a few times (in the sense of Physics).
They are currently writing their latest book, but will address the video sometime in June.
m8081679 2 years ago
'I asked a physicist to look at this. Their comment was:
The speaker is very ignorant of basic physics, and contradicts himself a few times (in the sense of Physics).'
You are having a laugh aint you. Your physicist either must be a total dufus or he's totally blind.
Whats his name?
greenmagoos 2 years ago
I'm a physicists. The guy making the video is an idiot and should take a basic physics course.
Waniou137 2 years ago
Also, terrible place for me to typo.
Waniou137 2 years ago 2
Is he? Tell me how he is before I blow your bs out the window pal because they dropped composited actor-nots on wires in tv studios into the live? moon feed pretty much similar to a scene in Capricorn One.
greenmagoos 2 years ago
Because you don't need half a brain to tell that the experiments NASA performed on earth aren't going to match the conditions on the moon? Notice the big harness the guy is wearing so he doesn't lose his balance? Notice the many video clips, including ones shown in here where they lose their balance and fall over?
Not to mention Young is clearly not putting all his effort into the jump.
Waniou137 2 years ago
I said they dropped in composited actor-nots for most of Apollo 15, and for 16 and 17 they were able to mix real astronauts on the moon with actor-nots on wres in tv studios. It was all about ,hiding, scaling, and compositing.
greenmagoos 2 years ago
Why would you lose the balance? Many animals jump as high on Earth. Is this the old "backpack" makes it hard to jump claim?
Once you are "airborne" you don't "fall" to any direction any more, due the imbalance of mass. Gravity accelerates all the masses similarly so the packback doesn't "pull" you. If you are balanced when you jump up, there's nothing to pull you backwards when you are off the ground.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
If you're wearing a heavy backpack, your centre of mass is back further than you'll be used to. Couple this with unusual conditions and you're bound to not be used to it, which is bound to lead to balance issues.
Waniou137 2 years ago
You claim Galileo Galilei was wrong when he said gravity pulls all masses with same acceleration?
If you don't, what's this nonsense of center of mass?
Look how little the astronauts are leaning forward. You do agree they maintain balance while they walk and stand?
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
When did I say that? Straw man arguments are bad.
If you don't know what centre of mass is, do a basic physics class. It's also referred to as centre of gravity, and is basically the point on an object where the mass is focused, and where gravity acts.
And jumping is not walking or standing. The fact that they need to lean forward so far shows they're having difficulty balancing.
Waniou137 2 years ago
I know quite well what a center of mass is. What I don't know, is how does it make you lose your balance while you are airborne (another Apollo believer thought too center of mass would make your fall during a jump!)
And I do know they are leaning forward: that's what I was saying. They lean forwar so little, the backpack causes them no trouble. I've had heavy packbacks. These guys carry their packbacks easy! If you have difficulty with it, you take a much more forward leaning position.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Because if your centre of mass is back further, you're more likely to fall over backwards.
Okay. When you jump, you apply pressure from your feet. If your centre of balance is behind your feet, if, say, you have a heavy backpack on, you'll also apply some torque. This torque will cause a rotation. This rotation will cause you to lose balance and fall over.
Waniou137 2 years ago
"Because if your centre of mass is back further"
You're making a typical thought mistake there. Think of a kangaroo. She leans considerably forward, doesn't she? If you pull her in a human-kind posture, she would be unbalanced. But alike a human with a load, she assumes a position where she is balanced. When you take a load on your back, you lean forward, the center of mass has shifted and you are balanced. That's the whole point of leaning forward.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Waniou137 wrote: "you have a heavy backpack on, you'll also apply some torque. This torque will cause a rotation."
If you make a forward flip, you actually jump forward. Or backwards in a backward flip.
You don't have your arms extended forward/backward to change your center of mass, and then jump upwards hoping to cause a torque. Grasp something heavy and extyend your arms. You notice your body will lean to the opposite direction. And you are balanced before the jump!
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
The earth has different circumstances. On earth, you can change your torque slightly while you're in the air. You can't do this on the moon. Once you start jumping, if you have a torque at the start of a jump, you can't get rid of that torque until you land.
Waniou137 2 years ago
Yes, but when people jump, they tend to stretch out, meaning they're no longer leaning forwards. This will move the centre of mass backwards.
Waniou137 2 years ago
Waniou137 wrote: "Yes, but when people jump, they tend to stretch out, meaning they're no longer leaning forwards."
You are wrong. Your body seeks to maintain balance at all times. If what you said was true, all lifeforms would lose their balance while trying to jump. If you have a load on one side of your body, you will balance it with leaning, and that balancing doesn't end until the load is dropped. Besides, if you can jump 8ft high, that load isn't heavy at all for your strength!
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Well, the evidence is on my side. And if your body seeks to maintain balance based on what it's used to, which is not having a huge bag attached to your back.
You're also forgetting the mass of the backpacks stays the same on the moon and this will harm their ability to resist rotating and falling over.
Waniou137 2 years ago
Which evidence? Those jumps they did behind the rover? Maybe it was made to show that they can't jump high, that it would be dangerous. The other high jumps I know, didn't make them fall on their behind. John Young didn't, neither did Neil Armstrong. So the evidence is also on my side.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
If I remember rightly, the jumps behind the rover were also done while they were moving, also causing balance issues. Besides, I never said they would always fall over, just that they would be more prone to it.
Waniou137 2 years ago
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Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Nope, they were standing still. The scene is included in this video starting 03:00. I'm surprised all these physicists defending the manned moonlandings don't have enough common sense to understand that a body automatically corrects imbalance! There's absolutely no reason why they would be prone to fall backwards. This scene is so unrealistic! Know any similar ones?
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
I'm surprised you think NASA can pull off a massive conspiracy such as this, make so many things so perfectly then purposefully do something like this if it's so unrealistic.
The body automatically corrects imbalanced, based on what it's used to. It is used to Earth's gravity. And again, all it takes is a little torque to wind up falling off-balance because once you start spinning while jumping on the moon, you cannot stop.
Waniou137 2 years ago
Who ever said NASA did a perfect job in faking it? It's hardly only this one scene There are quite many issues the Apollo skeptics have pointed out. They had years time, secret military posts and lots of money to do it. And most of all, they had the motive to do it. And can you say that CIA + Pentagon have been honest all these decades? So what's against common sense in it? I cannot but come to this conclusin seeing how astronauts fall and get pulled up.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Strawman arguments are bad. I'm talking about this particular case. For the astronauts to fall over while suspended by wires, as you claim, it would be done on purpose. This goes beyond not doing a perfect job of faking, if you really think that falling over is unrealistic, and that they're suspended by wires, then NASA deliberately put something in their film that's unrealistic, and quite frankly, they know more about conditions on the moon than you. After all, they've been there :P
Waniou137 2 years ago
Waniou137 wrote: "Strawman arguments are bad."
And yet your whole answer is a straw man argument. You're making defending your position with the argument , that NASA doesn't make mistakes (especially since they've been there).
Anyway, I made my case. Our body corrects load imbalances automatically, backpack (PLSS) is not heavy for the astronauts, and there are jumps where they don't fall backwards. Hence I'm saying the whole "backpack makes them fall backwards" is "Bush science".
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
The since they've been there was a joke. Hence the ":P". And no, your argument just has some weird conclusions. How exactly do you claim the astronauts are falling over? If they're being suspended by wires, it's because NASA did it on purpose, which is just a terrible argument.
The moon is still a foreign environment. Your body corrects load imbalances, this is a skill you learn. Not something you're born with. So change things enough (say, slashing gravity) and it becomes more difficult.
Waniou137 2 years ago
I'm thinking the behind the rover scene was made purposedly to show high jumps would be dangerous.
If you reduce the gravity, you no longer know how to maintain your balance? Then astronauts should have crawled like babies! Well, that's simply ridiculous. If they had had troubles with their balance, we would see them waving from one side to another.... But that's not at all what we see! To me their balance seems just fine.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Armstrong, from the 1969 Technical Debrief - "I would say that balance (while walking) was not difficult; however, I did some fairly high jumps and found that there was a tendency to tip over backwards on a high jump. One time I came close to falling and decided that was enough of that."
kooldog98 2 years ago
I'd like to see those Neil's jump, how they were.
The highest jump done is probably the John Young's "big navy salute jump". About 46cm (18 inches) high. As you can see, no trouble with balance when jumping or "airborne". When he lands, the backpack jolts slightly downwards. But as it's not heavy on the Moon and fall speed is slow, it's no problem to his Earth muscles.
It looks much riskier to me when an astronaut runs down a hill, and falls.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
there arent any videos of it here you have to watch the entire apollo 11 eva. its just after they read the plaque, buzz starts jumping and neil copies him and stops after you can see him tip backwards slightly. its difficult to tell how high he jumped because the video only shows from the waist up
kooldog98 2 years ago
Yeah that jump scene is well known. It's behind the rover jumping.Notice in the same scene, either of them adjusts something with his hand, and is then pulled up... err.. jumps up. About as high jumps as behind the rover jumps. He doesn't fall. But when they go jumping behind the rover, they fall every jump. That never happened later. I'm saying it was done to explain why the astronauts would not jump. As they should be jumping several feets high, but don't.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
no that footage your talking about is from apollo 16. but there is a similar scenario in apollo 11. armstrong said he almost fell backwards when he jumped so thats why he stopped doing it. charlie duke in apollo 16 did the same thing except he did fall and in his book he wrote he was scared for his life. possibly when the astronauts were back on earth they told one another not to jump high or youll fall on your arse. although they probably knew this already and didnt bother trying
kooldog98 2 years ago
Yeah that's what I was wondering in the behind rover jumping. Why would you intentionally jump and fall, a few times, when your life depends on the PLSS and spacesuit.
Could you point the video clip involved with Armstrong's jump, from theApollo Lunar Surface Journals Website?
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
according to the A16 journal 170:22:08, charlie dukes jump which caused him to fall over was about 82cm. this was estimated as the second highest jump. the first highest is at 0:34 seconds in the lunar olympics clip, made by john young, which measured a few cm higher. and you can see he tips backwards but manages to keep his feet. also in the 4th jump of that clip you can see him lean forward in the air to maintain balance. he is also holding on the rover to stop from falling backwards
kooldog98 2 years ago
Yeah the "Lunar Olympics" (the jumps done behind the rover) are a bit higher than the "big navy salute jump." It's about a knees-to-belly high jump, as those are body parts seen before and highest point of Duke's jump.
Zagabog claimed you lose your balance when airborne because of the backpack. I said you lose it when launching the jump. Here Duke falls, Young doesn't. You can see Duke's jump is off balanced from the start. His feet kick when he is flying, as he knows he will fall.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Yep, of course that rover scene is not from Apollo 11, no rover with the mission even. But there is an only waist up jumping scene also in Apollo 11? Well, well. That's a strange coincidense. I wonder why John Young jumps twice, fully visible, and doesn't fall. Maybe he didn't remember it was supposed to be dangerous?
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
actually the armstrong jumping is full body. i hadnt seen it in a while. but the quality isnt very good so its hard to tell how high he jumped. according to the journal it was about 50cm which is slightly higher than john youngs salute jump.
megavideo[dot]com[slash]?v=AATLIJWI
from 24 minute mark
apollo 11 journal is 109:44:28
the timestamp for apollo 16 lunar olympics is 170:21:44
kooldog98 2 years ago
I found the video clip from the Apollo Lunar Journals. File name a11v.1094423.rm.
Yep, you can see Armstron except almost full body. But he doesn't fall in these jumos he does, nor does he seem to have any sort of balance problem. I sure can't see him "almost falling" as you said.
He doesn't jump even as high as John Young. Put your mouse cursor highest point his boots reach. Almost knee high jumps.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
Lunar Journals claim Armstrong's jumps were about 0,5 meters. That would be about the same heigth as Young's jumps, which I measured from the video being about 0,46 meters (18 inches). To me Armstron's jumps appear somewhat lower, but I'm fine with either way.
Both jumps about same height, both jumps still far from what one would expect on the Moon as good sized jumps. Neither falls when doing the jumps.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
its uncertain how much effort hes putting in to each jump. perhaps its possible to jump 14 feet with maximum effort. although this would be very dangerous. they were obviously being very caucious when it came to jumping. and charlie dukes jump shows how dangerous a just a 3 foot jump can be
kooldog98 2 years ago