You have create a device that incorporates a constant. Such as the rising and setting of our sun. Constant in our lifetime anyway. It can be done. This isn't it.
the problem is not that this idea is cool or a fun 6th grade science class project, but i dont think most realize this is in no way related or actual free energy. Such devices do not exist. Not because perpetual motion is impossible but because, the energy loss of our current stated technology is too high and the materials we use currently are not efficient in their transfer of PE to KE. The reason this thing spins a little magnet on the table is directly related to him following it with hishand
i used to do that when I was in primary school... oh wait... I still am. i suppose this guy is really happy discovering about polarity in round magnets... for goodness sake what a pointless useless video.
Idea: Instead of spinning like a spin top toy, have it in a mounted piece of plastic that allows it to spin freely but with a guide? If you understand what I mean.
@Geechs Yes what you describe would be a very reasonable test to perform on the claim about the cause of the spinning rotor. The person doing the trick knows that it is a deception is is not likely to do anything to prove that the thing is only spinning because of the hand pushing the thing over the surface of the table. Why would a scammer allow a real test when the fake one fools people.
The theories of magnetic energy and gravitational pull are basic science we all missed in grade school because we were too busy trying to pass a class or go to recess. This is ancient knowledge that was deceptively taken away from us by the education system. All knowledge is from God but Satan uses esoteric tricks to manipulate it as something new in order to appear powerful or wise. Through the centuries scholars were silenced to keep basic scientific fact hidden so that we could be slaves.
Anyone know if it's necessary for the rotor to have a magnetic ring, like the speaker amp has? Or can you use any object as a rotor, even without a magnetic ring? For instance, a PC case fan?
@megalodonNL The trick needs only a combination of magnets that causes the rotor to stand up but not straight up. The rotor has a ball on the bottom. When it leans over a little, the point of contact between the ball and the disk is a little off the axis of the rotor. When the rotor is forced to move over the desk, this offset is what makes the torque that causes the rotor to spin. It is a fairly simple trick. The complex stuff with the magnets is just to help the deception.
I had a toy like this as a child, a spinning ballerina. You put her on a surface (like a glass table top) and 'chased her' from underneath the table with a magnet and she spun around in a wobbly manner. Thing was it took EFFORT with my hand to push into the repelling force of her magnet, which once overcome, resulted in the spin. When people play with magnets, they forget their hand is moving. Which you have to feed. Thus energy in this case came in the form of Cheetos.
@europanya Yes, the trick is a well known thing that has been used in toys and magic acts. Now it is being used in an effort to cheat people of their time and money by tricking them into thinking that it is some sort of magical energy source. It is a classic "snake oil" salesman trick to try to make a mystery out of something obvious and to claim things like the government is hiding the technology. It is sad but this is where we are these days.
Though I can relate to your explanation of how this works, I do believe there r people who make money by keeping 'free/cheap energy'- solutions from the public. And the John Bedini stuff does seem to actually work. I'm not saying this particular motor works, but I will probably try it myself to know for certain. If this doesn't work, I know another way that should work.
And it should be obvious to anyone in 2011 that governments have lied before :)
@megalodonNL I agree that there are forces that want to keep cheap energy away from the economy.
The Bedini stuff is a blind alley. It is a classic case of how hard to measure things can lead to mistakes in measurement and then to wrong conclusions. The Bedini motor draws is power in very short pulses. It is actually very inefficient but the short pulses are above the frequency range of common meters. Even with an oscilloscope it is hard to get the measurement right.
Mystery of free energy and antigravity and therefore Egyptian pyramids, Easter Island stone statues, Stonehenge and other ancient megaliths has been solved two years ago. These time capsules contain super technologies (free energy, anti-gravity, etc) and extraterrestrial knowledge coded in their design which have been left for us by Gods (extremely advanced extraterrestrial civilization). If you want to know the TRUTH, download Evgeny Zhukov's book "The Road to home" from zhukovroad com
of course.... of all the time and space and matter in the universe there must be aliens.....
but UFO and mind reading technology was created by the nazis without any alien help!!!
there is a criminal orgonization working within high ranks in the military waging psychological warfare against the general population aiming to trick the world into believing in demonic forces and spiritual aliens
Billy Meier : sphath was a nazi who worped children
UFO and mind reading technology was created by the nazis at the end of the war with no alien help.
there is a criminal orgonization working within the military that is waging psychological warefare on the general population. pretending to be spiritual aliens, playing god and starting a new world religeon. george green was their money launderer
ok people lets get this staight magnetic force is a type of force and force = energy soo why is it so hard to think that it is not true and if you think well its not true because we'll all have them by now think again . how will big companys and goverments make money from it. you can't tax free energy and whats the point of selling free energy when you can make free energy at home. what makes me largh is that we must save this planet and no gov in the world say that its a way . its the best way
@liamasmith force is not energy. they are completely different concepts, related by the concept of work. drop a book on a table: the table exerts a force to stop it. fortunately, your table expends no energy doing so, and thus tables do not need batteries... thanks, high school physics! now if your table could lift the book against gravity, then it would need a battery, because it would be doing work.
@Keltahk not according to any scientific usage of those words I'm familiar with. if we're going arbitrarily re-define words contrary to any accepted meaning they may have, then a dog is a sort of plant and red is a type of sound.
potential energy is a form of energy, as is kinetic, thermal, chemical, etc. forces may transfer energy but they are not a form of energy.
@Keltahk according to what legitimate source? mechanical energy is the sum of kinetic and potential energies (including the PE due to a magnetic field), force is a different concept entirely. energy is a scalar quantity measured in joules. force is a vector quantity measured in newtons. the kinetic energy transferred to an object by a magnet's field comes from the potential energy of its position in that field, which must be added by an outside source, like your hand, to do anything useful.
@Keltahk It is all the rotor leaning over slightly and him pushing it over the surface. There is nothing interesting here, just a common deception that has often been used to trick the ignorant and unobservant.
@syanivmax "I found it to be a great resource" is soooo obviously a lie. Why don't you just come out and admit that you are the owner of that web site or paid by the owner. It is just another web site trying to exploit those who don't know enough physics to see that what they are proposing could never work in this universe.
Not a hoax, really? Free energy, really? You know, I want to believe it all, but there is one little failing in the whole equation. The failing is a real life working prototype of a generator which produces enough power to maintain the needs of a modest household. Where is it? There are not enough bombs or bullets to destroy this type of technology if it really exists. Tesla was driven by achievement not monetary gain. Today, even he would have fought to free the world from the chains of oil.
Secretly run an extension cord to the outdoor outlet of your neighbor. Yes, I admit it is theft, but unlike all the so called "magnet motors", you do actually get some energy free. There is not one single "magnet motor" that actually does anything useful. As a result with all of them the cost per watt is infinite. Even just one cent divided you zero is infinite.
These project camelot people are occult members and used by ILLUMINATI to implant half truths into your life. FREE ENERGY IS REAL. The internet is censored. If they don't explain in full detail how to build one yourself without leading you on a trail, they are liars. WAKE UP SHEEPLE and design a free energy motor yourself, Give the idea to hundreds of people and make them promise to advertise it all on the same day and let the truth spread like wild fire. IF you dont you will remain slaves
@jrowarrior if as you say "FREE ENERGY IS REAL" then you must be able to give details of a working example. Please tell us all where we can either see a magnetic motor for sale, or working, on display in a public place. Of course you can say there is some grand conspiracy to keep such devices from us but if you know they exist you must be able to demonstrate such a claim. Or are you like all "free energy believers", lacking in evidence of anything?
Maybe I'm missing something here but there is nothing special at all with this, in fact these devices are readily available as kids science kits "Fun with Magnets" available at any Toys R Us store. This is NOTHING to do with "free energy" as far as I can tell.
@TheAmethystScorpion What you are missing is that this has been used in a claim of free energy. What is really here is as you describe. What the claims are is a different matter.
@knowledgemonger Yes yes but they are presenting this as some kind of new and wonderful secret invention when it is nothing of the kind. My Five year old has one just like it in her "Fun With Magnets" set that I bought for $14.99! I know I said I will try and be supportive of Project Camelot but it's very difficult when they pull stunts like ths.
@TheAmethystScorpion Perhaps the "stunts like this" is the nature of Project Camelot. It appears that they were either taken in by this or they are in on it. In one case they are too dumb to to be worthy and in the other they are corrupt. If it is a question of finding new energy sources, this is a blind alley. The whole "magnet motor" idea is just bogus. Solar power looks likely and wind power is a maybe.
@knowledgemonger I know - and I don't want to admit it but you are probably right. I think they have been set up to be discredited and have fallen for it. What I find most disturbing id the venom and backlash from people who claim to be "truth and light" when one so much as questions something for a better understanding. Something is very very wrong here.
@TheAmethystScorpion Think religious cult and I think you will get a better feel for the "thinking" of the supporters. "wishing will make it come true" has become a substitute for working hard and learning and understanding. We really need some energy solutions. I don't see any coming from running around the old stump 3 times and then throwing salt of the shoulder. I do see it coming from some serious levels of work.
@knowledgemonger Oh its TOTALLY like a religious cult and it reminds me very much of when I was a Christian - we love you unconditionally but don't you DARE question anything - lol. Still they are doing me a favour because I know better who I can trust and who I should avoid.....
@TheAmethystScorpion christianity is not a cult and protestant is not a religion Catholicism is because it is based on a certain amount of rules and regulations please get your facts straight
@darkferiousity My facts are perfectly straight. I was an evangelist for over fifteen years in the "born again sect " of Christianity and it was the behaviour of these people that forced me to look at what the Greek texts actually say which led me to the conclusion that Christianity is a constructed scam. I also have many Catholic and Protestant friends and yes they are lovely people. Sorry for the confusion.
@lordcapucino It really spins when he forces it to move over the table. The rotor has a ball l\on the bottom. It leans over slightly. This makes the point of contact with the table slightly offset from the axis of rotation. When he forces it to move over the surface, the friction between the ball and the table top provides the torque that spins it up. It is a fairly easily done deception.
@dom85ross To make the outer ring move you must supply a force. It doesn't want to move on its own, you must push it. This means that an external energy source is needed to move the ring. In this case, it is his hand. You could make a machine do it too but you would need that machine to have a battery or plug in the wall or the like.
@dom85ross - if the outer ring were designed to move it would require energy to move it. It is then that externally supplied energy that would be making the inner rotor spin. Magnetic motors don't work by themselves.
you dont realy need pvc around cut pip at all all you need to is put the magnet in a around space like that with one gap in and have rine nagnet and that woulkd make it spine
@alienhddna - you don't seem to realise this device is only working because the outer ring is being moved - it is impossible to make this work as a motor without external power.
I know he tends to go after the spinning part a little, but having both placed securely under some structure, the bearings to the rest in helping the rotation have as little friction as possible
@7ito1990 - the only reason the centre rotor spins is because the outer ring is moved. It doesn't matter if moves a little or a lot the point is the energy to make the centre rotor spin ALL comes from the movement of the outer ring. Devices such as this are often quoted as "free energy" motors but those bereft of a basic knowledge of physics don't realise the moving hand is the energy source and the magnets merely allow the energy to be transferred and do nothing else.
People have invented free energy for decades, even a recent televised show from the guy from sham wow made show where people bring their inventions.
The winner would get the sham wow guy to do the commercial for free.
There was shitty to excellent inventions, one guy invented a great free energy out of water and it changed it to hyrdrogen and the motor worked really well.
sham wow's exact words was "its a great invention but the powers at be will not like this"
@2hottie69isBACK It takes more energy to make the hydrogen than the motor produces. There are no real "free energy" inventions. There are a lot of urban legends about them. When you check the facts you always find either someone who fooled themselves or someone trying to fool others.
but there are always cheaper ways of having electricity. When you pay to mount a generator based on magnets or a solar panel (of course you would need a few solar panels to maintain a house) the sun still shines freely.
I don't think there are any special fake legends on those terms. But do you believe there are? Plz tell me so.
@7ito1990 I'm sure that there must be some fakes about solar panels or the like. There are also bound to be some urban legends. It just comes with human nature. However, there is no doubt that solar power and wind power are for real. There is also no doubt that people can make better equipment for both. A solar panel only gets us about 1/5th the energy from the light that hits it. There is lots of room for someone to make one that is twice as good.
Yeah. That's why Stan Meyers got in trouble and Genepax never launched their water based cars into the market!
Research both on youtube, you'll find he actually likely died in a strange manner. Stan, that is.
So, that is strong evidence things do work.
I saw top gear testing a water cell on a car, but the thing is... they did it wrong! And it was proved and explained by someone also on youtube!!... Was it accidental mis-construction? We'll never know.....
@daysweeper I will admit that I am making a conclusion. Just because he doesn't ask for money at that time doesn't mean that cheating people is not his agenda. He also could be insane. That would allow him to not be stupid and yet do what is obviously a trick without intending deception. For now, I will stay with the idea that he is just trying to con people.
@daysweeper Think con artist. This is one case where "When stupidity will serves as an explanation you need look no further" does not apply. The person doing the deception is fooling people on purpose.
@complyvoluntarily I really really really wish that people would stop throwing mud on the good name of Tesla by trying to associate his name with rubbish like we see in this video..He was a great inventor, not a two bit scam artist. How the deception is done here is obvious. I have already explained it in earlier comments.
Tesla (the real story) was a very interesting guy and the facts about his life and his papers all are a good read. I suggest you go read up on the real story.
@knowledgemonger This video is not deception. George Green shows this principle for the same reason Tesla wanted to give the world free energy, for the good of humankind. Do you think I am 'throwing mud' on Tesla's name? I find that curious. I made my comment because I thought it was tragic that he died without seeing his vision come to fruition. I left my comment open to interpretaion and you, sir or ma'am, are just looking for an arguement.
@complyvoluntarily Yes, the video is a deception. The rotor spins for the reasons I explained.
You seem to also believe a common urban legend about what the "free energy" Telsa was working on was. He was not thinking he could create energy out of thin air. He thought that he could distribute energy to the masses for free. The idea was to pump up a wave guide formed between an ionized layer and the earth. We know today it wouldn't have worked but back then it looked good.
@fenix144 I can't help defending the good name of Tesla. It really really bothers me when people throw mud on it.
In this case, we don't need to have people understand the science. We just need to point out how the deception is done. Even people who believe in "free energy" can be protected from this one scam just by pointing out the fairly obvious way that they are being fooled. For some of the others it is harder.
David Wilcock claims the aliens with 6 fingers will come to save us on 12/21/12) These are the evil 'giants' the bible talks about. Using occult numerology the date adds up to 333. Half of 666. An occultist assigns the number '333' to "death, resurrection, and ascension", and consider it to be most powerful. Also there is a strong correlation between the numbers 6 and 13 in occult numerology. You will get the mark of the beast in 2013. The mark of the beast is the Seal of Solomon / Hexagram
@chil0man I dont think it'll ever work. Unfortunately, this video does not show perpetual motion or some hidden energy. By moving his hand alone is kinetic energy which is transfered to the rotating top. If you observe carefully, the thing only spins as he moves his hand with the magnet.
The one GLARING problem is that you constantly need a person to keep it working. If it really worked, the rotor would be placed on a shaft and the stators would be mounted and it would run forever without having to move your hand around to create motion.
@stargate253 I was not suggesting that there aren't those who believe in the idea. I am just pointing out that this specific one is obviously an intentional deception.
@soundexperience1 What link. Your question is based on a false premise. There is always a rumor that someone did it or that a friend of a friend saw one. Watch the video carefully. You can see how the deception is done. The rotor leans over slightly. This makes the ball on its bottom contact the desk at a slight angle. The angle means that the point of contact is slightly off center. When you force it over the surface, the off center point of contact causes the rotor to spin.
by "vortex" he means a way of suckering in people who end up using this design instead of the much better perendev design.
if u want to make a magnet motor, plz just copy the perendev motor it's the most effective application of magnetic repulsion that can be used to generate the most torque.
@katsumorymoto Anyone who thinks that the perendev was real (1) has not tried feeding things like perendev, Mike Brady and fraud into google and (2) doesn't understand physics.
The thing shown in this video is a very obvious trick. You can see how it was done. The perendev video is better done. They hide the thing turning the wheel and edit the video in a way that fools enough people that they managed the defraud quite a lot of money before going to jail for it.
@knowledgemonger if you do a youtube search for: "perpetual motion machine selfrunning", you can see a VERY OBVIOUSLY non faked version of an infinite energy clock pendulum, that could easily power a clock for hundreds of years. the perendev design is the same basic concept, except done with much more magnets to complete a wheel for more torque.
the people who make N machines, water powered cars, perendev motors, etc. get death threats. see: "Free Energy - Pentagon Conspiracy to Cover up"
@katsumorymoto No, if your do a search a look carefully you will find some fakes that are well done and others that are more obvious. You will find no "free energy" machines "perpetual motion machines" or magnet motors that actually work. You will only find various qualities of fakes.
The variable is the movement in the hand, meaning you are transferring energy into the system. I agree, fix all the parts so they don't move and then see what happens. Google "cheniere" (space) "kawai" here you will find some very interesting information.
It's an energy transfer device. Nothing more. If they want to prove that it's free energy, show the motor drive a load with the horseshoe magnet fixed not being manipulated by the holder.
@alexermerson Excactly and the guy in the video, claims that there are people with bigger ones running. Is he just making this up? He kinda loses a lot of credibility from my point of view.
It's not free energy. I'm sorry. I really believed it. I should have read the comments. I spent 30$ on buying magnets, and making a replica of this device. It works as far as you can make it spin, when it leans; But I tried fixing it, and it wouldnt rotate. If needed I can make a video, showing that it doesnt work as free energy.
I would like to see this motor built as a fixed device, because it is more than likely that minor movements of the hand are causing the speaker magnet to spin.
@Kaydreein As soon as you force them to put the rotor on a shaft and not have that ball on the bottom or even not allow the hand motion, the trick fails. It is a fairly easy trick to do. The rotor needs to lean a little but not too much, hence the gap in the magnets. It needs to be not completely obvious about the lean to the side moving the point of contact off the axis to make the torque that spins it. If it is obvious, the deception fails.
Actually you can counter the offset with multiple cylinders the stator(the part that is the ring with magnets on it) and offset them from center and change from cylinder to cylinder with the rotor part on an axle and correct for field offset! This is a very incomplete description but only used to explain a possible avenue showing that it is not cut and dry that it will not work as Mr.Monger has surmised as there being no avenue to look into the issue any further! Meaning It's worth looking into!
@theantiredneck No amount of fancy positioning of things can make this bogus idea work. All this video shows is a trick used to fool the gullible. I have explained how the trick is done. Scroll back through the comments and you will see it.
I did not merely surmise that this will not work. There is a proof. It applies to the general case. All you need to do is go look up the equations for the force on a magnetic pole and the one for energy in a field and do some math.
I thought his carcass was pulverized to dust but rednecks never die i have found out!
Not to worry there will never B any specific information from him on any issue other than non related collection of minor language like" the flux capacitor won't work because of acute phase angles" with no ability to answer any return debate on what he just said cause he thinks a few minor pieces of language will stump you!!! The real truth is Mr. Monger is the magician unwittingly of course!!
I went through Mr. monger last October and i see he is in another video with wishy washy non specific opinions where he tries to sound technical and that he knows what he's saying but yet say's nothing specific and when questioned he can't give directional answers much less specific answers and when you see through him, that he has never built anything in any way and expose his lack of direction Mr. Monger begins to insult you and call you names with the same lack of technical accuracy!
@theantiredneck You can try to suggest that my comments are not of substance but that doesn't make it so. I have explained to you why this idea is simply nonsense. You are unable or unwilling to follow the argument and thus post rubbish claims not based in any sort of reality.
@knowledgemonger still hard at work convincing the non-believers? hey, remember me? from almost a year ago? dude, we all [most likely] know what you know about thermodynamics and such. simply SAYING such energy is not possible does NOT refute what we SEE in this video.
man, i tell you. just give it up. people won't believe you because this video is turning EVERYTHING you've EVER learned in [education] flat on its head, and you start QUESTIONING the validity of what's written in science books.
@executableapplet What we see in this video is just a trick to fool the gullible. Watch it carefully and see if you can figure out how the trick is done. It is very easy to see. Don't cheat by looking back through the comments where I explain it.
I am not refuting what you actually see in this video. I am refuting what is claimed about what you see. It is two different things. The trick is done right in front of your eyes. Ignore what is said and watch. You will see.
@knowledgemonger Sorry but you are 100% wrong. This is not a trick at all and some countries, Austrailia being one of them, is using this technology in remote areas. An inventor in Austrailia has made one the size of a small kitchen appliance that puts out 24kw consistently. watch?v=F4qjZocje0c
@joecane6340 No, I am correct. This is a trick and a fairly obvious one too.
You directed my to a known scam with the link you provided. The machine in that video does nothing useful. It really makes me sad to see those nice meters being abused as they are. It is a known characteristic of those meters that if you apply signals outside their intended band width, they read nonsense. In another video these same guys multiply average values and claim watts. Can you say "bogus"
@knowledgemonger Wrong again. I've seen it work with my own eyes. Also, do you realize how easy and logical this is? To say it is a trick is like saying that starting a fire by rubbing two sticks together is magic. Also, you do realize that they are not showing the entire thing. It hooks to a generator. The spinning force created by the magnets turns the generator. I know it's spooky and all but it's ok. It wont hurt you. lol
@joecane6340 You are either a fool or a liar. What is shown in this video is a trick that fools the gullible. I am sorry but it simply is not real. You posted a link to a known scam. You may have been fooled but I doubt it leaving the option that you are a liar the most likely.
@knowledgemonger Whatever. Sheeple are going to believe what they want to believe, Don't call people fools and liars just because you lack the intelligence to understand how it works. Again....Do you understand that what you see above is not the entire motor? All you are seeing is the mechanism that turns the generator. Havent you ever tried to push 2 magents together? Please tell us you are not this stupid.
@joecane6340 I called you a fool or a liar because you made a claim that is clearly untrue, directed me to a video of a known scam as an attempt to support your claim and then claimed that you have seen something that does not exist. I know a great deal about things like magnetic fields. I have done experiments and have made actual measurements.
@joecane6340 You can attempt to use insults but since I know that you are supporting a fairly obvious con and offered a video of a known scam as proof of your point, it really doesn't matter to me. I explained how this trick was done in earlier comments here. If you look at the comments on the video you offered as proof you will see that I explain how in that video they are attempting to fool people. You are supporting known scams.
@joecane6340 That is a copy of an old video. The OneTrueMedia thing was edited onto the front of an existing video. The older video is from a scam that was shut down a while ago. Needless to say, they are talking total nonsense in their claims.
@knowledgemonger Like I said before. You keep believing what you want to believe. This is a very SIMPLE concept. A 3rd grader can see how this works. Again. You do realize that what is being shown above is only a part of it. In fact it's a very simple example. I'm sure they showed it this way so people could EASILY grasp the concept. People calling it fake are invested in oil. Think for yourself and see it work IN PERSON like I did.
@joecane6340 A 3rd grader may indeed fall for your lies but anyone with a little education or common sense can see that the thing shown in this video is a trick and anyone who can do a little work with google can discover that the EBM and Lutec things were just scams. That you are trying to claim that you have seen it work means to me that you are in fact a liar. Why you are telling this lie I am not sure but I'm betting that this point that you are at least considering committing a fraud.
@knowledgemonger No. You're the one who is a liar. At first I thought you were just stupid but I'm having a hard time believing someone can be as stupid as you seem to be. You still are avoiding my question. Plus you are basing your opions off of what you've heard. I saw it in person. Have you? Stop humiliating yourself and go see it for yourself. Until you do, what you say means nothing.
@joecane6340 I base my opinions on the evidence and science and what I can find with google. I have done real scientific experiments and have made th actual measurements. You are a liar. The videos you have used in attempts to back you claims are both ones of scams. This video shows an obvious trick that would only fool the most gullible. I assume that you are preparing to attempt to commit a fraud.
@knowledgemonger Well that explains it. Experiments? You are so full of it. In fact, your screen name says more about you than you realize. You really have no clue how stupid you are. How sad. By the way. No fraud here. Not trying to sell anything. I just know what I saw. I have no reason to lie whatsoever. I'm defending the truth. You're one of those know-it-all types that think you're impressing everybody when in reality they're laughing at you behind your back. Run along and play.
@joecane6340 I know that you are a liar. This is certain. The only question is why. I assume it is because you are about to try to try some sort of a fraud. Nobody who didn't have some important stake in the issue would be trying to claim that the thing we see in this video is anything other than an obvious trick.
The two videos you directed me to in an effort to support your case were both of known scams. You have aligned yourself with Lutec and EBM. It says a lot about you.
@knowledgemonger I don't even know who Lutec and EBM are. These videos are NOT scams. Just disinfo from people like you. It is really sad that there are people out there that are really this stupid and blind. You are without a doubt the biggest moron I've met in person and online. I'm done trying to waste my time with you. Have a nice close minded life in your moms basement.
@joecane6340 Go follow the links you provided. They both lead to scams. Go ahead and follow your own links and see what an idiot you have made of your self.
Ok, someone tell me why he won't fix that thingie to a bearing, put that ring on top around that thingie, and have it spinning. Then put some load on it to see how much energy it produces.
@op684 The magic trick only works if you do it like shown and don't let people stop and think about what you just did. As soon as you fix it to a shaft or even stop pushing it over the surface of the desk, you have to come up with a different way to do the deception.
You know the energy to turn the thing is coming from somewhere. If this was a more rigourous experiment, we could determine if it's from the guy holding the outer ring or from something like coreolis force, just plain air movement. If these quacks would pot more scientific method in these experiments, there wouldn't be so many skeptics.
@Nomoreidsleft I have seen this same trick in many videos now. Here is how it is done:
The rotor has a ball on the bottom of it and not a point. When the rotor leans over, the point of contact between the rotor and the surface of the desk is offset a little from the axis of the rotor. The slight uneven spacing of the magnets causes the rotor to lean slightly. When the person forces the rotor to move over the surface of the desk, the offset point of contact makes the torque to spin it.
@knowledgemonger Your guess is as good as mine without the proper data. These people rely on that to propagate their claims. They're never going to have anything useful come out of this without more rigourous methods, like I said and I have a feeling they prefer it that way.
Too many NARROW MINDS viewing this??: You DO NOT attach anything to the central motor as a shaft to drive anything.,you simply attach another set of balanced windings on each side of the central motor. Then around each of those coils you place another magnet assy (generator/dynamo). You can also utilize the power generated to supplement larger assemblies that would then use electro magnets! You are only limited by your understanding of engineering.
@mistermassive1 You seem to be limited by the very thing that you think others are limited by. Open your eyes and look carefully and see this video as showing the deception that it is. The rotor leans over slightly making the contact point with the table slightly offset from the axis of rotation. The hand forcing it to move over the surface is where the torque comes from.
The rest of your comments are meaningless from an engineering point of view or at best wrong.
@knowledgemonger - Your a fool! I just clicked on your profile and you are a tool or agent of some sort. This is obvious by your selection of video picks. IF you do no research of your own than just keep your trap shut! I have watched over 100 hours of video on this subject let alone the reading of books relative to the technology. This video is more of a magnetic field motor 101 for those who have difficulty grasping the basics of these principles. The Germans, Swiss and Austrians have this now
@mistermassive1 I do lots of research of my own. I don't count much of the youtube videos among that research. Most of them are just nonsense. This video shows how to fool the extremely gullible and nothing more. The explanation of how the trick is done I gave is the truth. You have obviously fallen for some completely bogus claims. I suggest you go study a little physics and do a little real research before you comment further on this subject.
Maybe it can be developed so that you put in a certain amount of energy to just get it goin. It is possible, but you have to put in some energy.
100% free energy is a problem. Its like saying "Im gonna fix myself a juicy Burger without the necessary ingridiances". We are not there yet.
We could use solar energy to start up the motor, i mean...the sun is there....lets bloody use it. The world is about money though... thats the big problem. They will make up stuff just to charge you.
The rotor (spinning) part should be mounted in place. Mounting it on a pike would alleviate most of the friction. The fact that the stator ring is hand held, any movement of the stator ring across the table allows energy to be extracted (from the holder of the stator) by the rotor as it "falls" toward the center of the stator ring that is being moved in this video. The rotor device should be mounted, at a minimum.
@freaklemon The deception relies on people not looking closely and not thinking about what they are seeing. As soon as the rotor is fixed in position by placing it on a shaft or only supported at its axis, the effect goes away. The offset point of contact is need for the trick to work.
Others have done different tricks with the rotor supported. They usually use a hidden electromagnet or mechanical connection to turn the rotor. It is all rabbits out of hats but some hats are fancier.
People all need to look at James Roney Magnet Shield. This is the holy grail for magnet use. Spread the news. Also Geroge Greens magnet motor is cool. And who could go past:
@mr1000rx The James Roney thing is just nonsense that some people have fooled themselves about. The George Green thing is just a simple parlor trick being used to fool those who don't know better.
@mr1000rx No, in your case, it is just a lie. You have done no such thing. I don't know why you are telling this lie but my current guess is that you are some sort of crook. You could be insane instead or merely joking but I doubt it.
@knowledgemonger What part of Magnet Shielding don't you get. There are magnet shields in electric gadgets all around us. Computers for instance. Why are you to emotive, what is your angle?
There are heaps of overunity devices being invented as we speak. Look at the 'Over Unity' clips 1 to 23 for instance. Magnets make it happen. go figure.
i am sure there is a better way to create energy and I think the oil companies and govt are probably suppressing ideas but i made one of these motors and it didn't work.
@bthegood There is a better explanation than a conspiracy to explain why better systems have not made it to market. Very simply, the problem is hard and the poor state of science education means that we really only have a small number of people working on the problem.
I assume you are not referring to the round hole in the middle of many speaker magnets.
The magnet he is holding in his hand is made from several small magnets attached to some nonmagnetic material. The trick relies on you not understanding what he is really doing.
The reason a magician uses a magic wand is because the viewers eyes will tend to follow the motion of the wand rather than see what the other hand is doing. In this case, what is being said is the "magic wand".
@knowledgemonger So if it isn't real how do you reproduce the trick? Is this something you can fool people up close or only with grainy youtube video? It would be a really good prank to pull if it was possible to do in person.
@exodous02 All you need to do is follow the actions he does and you can see how the trick is done. The ball on the base of the rotor is important to it. The gap in the ring of magnets causes the rotor to lean slightly to one side. This means that the point of contact between the desk and the rotor is a little off the center line of the rotor. When you move the ring, the rotor is forced to move across the surface of the disk. The offset point of contact causes the torque that spins the rotor
@knowledgemonger Cool, I'm getting the magnets then, I know a few people that I'd love to play this trick on. I knew something was up because everyone 're-creating' did the ball bearing also instead of a shaft. Now that I know there has to be movement for it to spin it makes a lot more sense.
That´s how they keep it as a "secret in the open" - keeping the ratio of faked videos high enough for people to be more confused than helped or even instructed - look behind the tactics!
Anybody with some basic understanding in physics knows for a fact that zero-point or "free energy" is a real - proven phenomenon. Nicola Tesla ran a car and built a power-station in the early 1900s - no energy-resource required. Fact. The financial powers that be don´t want it to happen on a large scale - that´s it!
@miketutnix Fact, Nicola Tesla never discovered or proved a method of generating free energy. Please don't use the word 'fact' again unless its an actual fact. Oh and anyone with some basic understanding of physics knows these simple motor devices do not output more energy than is put in ;)
@1wibble2 In this case we are only seeing that a person moving his hand can make a top spin. We aren't seeing any sort of a motor at all. It is just a very simple mechanical device and a whole lot of hot air at work here. I think that some people seriously want there to be some sort of magic in the world that only they know about. This is the attraction of the really bogus stories like the one miketutnix put here.
I hope this gives people ideas to create a car based on this energy
Hrko1992 1 week ago
You have create a device that incorporates a constant. Such as the rising and setting of our sun. Constant in our lifetime anyway. It can be done. This isn't it.
jab0805 1 week ago
under the desk?
DrHepp 3 weeks ago
the problem is not that this idea is cool or a fun 6th grade science class project, but i dont think most realize this is in no way related or actual free energy. Such devices do not exist. Not because perpetual motion is impossible but because, the energy loss of our current stated technology is too high and the materials we use currently are not efficient in their transfer of PE to KE. The reason this thing spins a little magnet on the table is directly related to him following it with hishand
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pat1234591 1 month ago
i used to do that when I was in primary school... oh wait... I still am. i suppose this guy is really happy discovering about polarity in round magnets... for goodness sake what a pointless useless video.
MrBluesStrings 1 month ago
Idea: Instead of spinning like a spin top toy, have it in a mounted piece of plastic that allows it to spin freely but with a guide? If you understand what I mean.
Geechs 2 months ago
@Geechs Yes what you describe would be a very reasonable test to perform on the claim about the cause of the spinning rotor. The person doing the trick knows that it is a deception is is not likely to do anything to prove that the thing is only spinning because of the hand pushing the thing over the surface of the table. Why would a scammer allow a real test when the fake one fools people.
knowledgemonger 2 months ago
The theories of magnetic energy and gravitational pull are basic science we all missed in grade school because we were too busy trying to pass a class or go to recess. This is ancient knowledge that was deceptively taken away from us by the education system. All knowledge is from God but Satan uses esoteric tricks to manipulate it as something new in order to appear powerful or wise. Through the centuries scholars were silenced to keep basic scientific fact hidden so that we could be slaves.
BrownEagle7 2 months ago
@BrownEagle7
god has nothing to do with magnetism or gravity. and satan isnt real.
THExHOUND 2 months ago
@THExHOUND and neither are you!
pgpeachess 3 weeks ago
Anyone know if it's necessary for the rotor to have a magnetic ring, like the speaker amp has? Or can you use any object as a rotor, even without a magnetic ring? For instance, a PC case fan?
megalodonNL 2 months ago
@megalodonNL The trick needs only a combination of magnets that causes the rotor to stand up but not straight up. The rotor has a ball on the bottom. When it leans over a little, the point of contact between the ball and the disk is a little off the axis of the rotor. When the rotor is forced to move over the desk, this offset is what makes the torque that causes the rotor to spin. It is a fairly simple trick. The complex stuff with the magnets is just to help the deception.
knowledgemonger 2 months ago
I had a toy like this as a child, a spinning ballerina. You put her on a surface (like a glass table top) and 'chased her' from underneath the table with a magnet and she spun around in a wobbly manner. Thing was it took EFFORT with my hand to push into the repelling force of her magnet, which once overcome, resulted in the spin. When people play with magnets, they forget their hand is moving. Which you have to feed. Thus energy in this case came in the form of Cheetos.
europanya 2 months ago
@europanya Yes, the trick is a well known thing that has been used in toys and magic acts. Now it is being used in an effort to cheat people of their time and money by tricking them into thinking that it is some sort of magical energy source. It is a classic "snake oil" salesman trick to try to make a mystery out of something obvious and to claim things like the government is hiding the technology. It is sad but this is where we are these days.
knowledgemonger 2 months ago
@knowledgemonger
Though I can relate to your explanation of how this works, I do believe there r people who make money by keeping 'free/cheap energy'- solutions from the public. And the John Bedini stuff does seem to actually work. I'm not saying this particular motor works, but I will probably try it myself to know for certain. If this doesn't work, I know another way that should work.
And it should be obvious to anyone in 2011 that governments have lied before :)
megalodonNL 2 months ago
@megalodonNL I agree that there are forces that want to keep cheap energy away from the economy.
The Bedini stuff is a blind alley. It is a classic case of how hard to measure things can lead to mistakes in measurement and then to wrong conclusions. The Bedini motor draws is power in very short pulses. It is actually very inefficient but the short pulses are above the frequency range of common meters. Even with an oscilloscope it is hard to get the measurement right.
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europanya 2 months ago
There is a reason that it isn't one piece - it won't work unless you push it a bit.
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hope4world3000 3 months ago
ok people lets get this staight magnetic force is a type of force and force = energy soo why is it so hard to think that it is not true and if you think well its not true because we'll all have them by now think again . how will big companys and goverments make money from it. you can't tax free energy and whats the point of selling free energy when you can make free energy at home. what makes me largh is that we must save this planet and no gov in the world say that its a way . its the best way
liamasmith 3 months ago
@liamasmith force is not energy. they are completely different concepts, related by the concept of work. drop a book on a table: the table exerts a force to stop it. fortunately, your table expends no energy doing so, and thus tables do not need batteries... thanks, high school physics! now if your table could lift the book against gravity, then it would need a battery, because it would be doing work.
thehorriblenegro 3 months ago
@thehorriblenegro Force is a form of energy.
Keltahk 3 months ago
@Keltahk not according to any scientific usage of those words I'm familiar with. if we're going arbitrarily re-define words contrary to any accepted meaning they may have, then a dog is a sort of plant and red is a type of sound.
potential energy is a form of energy, as is kinetic, thermal, chemical, etc. forces may transfer energy but they are not a form of energy.
thehorriblenegro 3 months ago
@thehorriblenegro Force represents mechanical energy, so their for yes it is a form of energy.
Keltahk 3 months ago
@Keltahk according to what legitimate source? mechanical energy is the sum of kinetic and potential energies (including the PE due to a magnetic field), force is a different concept entirely. energy is a scalar quantity measured in joules. force is a vector quantity measured in newtons. the kinetic energy transferred to an object by a magnet's field comes from the potential energy of its position in that field, which must be added by an outside source, like your hand, to do anything useful.
thehorriblenegro 3 months ago
@thehorriblenegro It's all action and reaction. Force comes from stored energy within molecules.
Keltahk 3 months ago
@Keltahk It is all the rotor leaning over slightly and him pushing it over the surface. There is nothing interesting here, just a common deception that has often been used to trick the ignorant and unobservant.
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eithanyakobi 2 months ago
Not a hoax, really? Free energy, really? You know, I want to believe it all, but there is one little failing in the whole equation. The failing is a real life working prototype of a generator which produces enough power to maintain the needs of a modest household. Where is it? There are not enough bombs or bullets to destroy this type of technology if it really exists. Tesla was driven by achievement not monetary gain. Today, even he would have fought to free the world from the chains of oil.
1955thekeeper 4 months ago
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TheMushroomsAreHere 4 months ago
maybe it should be called project crap-a-lot?
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SurvivalGuide2012 4 months ago
@SurvivalGuide2012 I have a better answer:
Secretly run an extension cord to the outdoor outlet of your neighbor. Yes, I admit it is theft, but unlike all the so called "magnet motors", you do actually get some energy free. There is not one single "magnet motor" that actually does anything useful. As a result with all of them the cost per watt is infinite. Even just one cent divided you zero is infinite.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
These project camelot people are occult members and used by ILLUMINATI to implant half truths into your life. FREE ENERGY IS REAL. The internet is censored. If they don't explain in full detail how to build one yourself without leading you on a trail, they are liars. WAKE UP SHEEPLE and design a free energy motor yourself, Give the idea to hundreds of people and make them promise to advertise it all on the same day and let the truth spread like wild fire. IF you dont you will remain slaves
jrowarrior 4 months ago
@jrowarrior if as you say "FREE ENERGY IS REAL" then you must be able to give details of a working example. Please tell us all where we can either see a magnetic motor for sale, or working, on display in a public place. Of course you can say there is some grand conspiracy to keep such devices from us but if you know they exist you must be able to demonstrate such a claim. Or are you like all "free energy believers", lacking in evidence of anything?
LiamXaoh 4 months ago
Maybe I'm missing something here but there is nothing special at all with this, in fact these devices are readily available as kids science kits "Fun with Magnets" available at any Toys R Us store. This is NOTHING to do with "free energy" as far as I can tell.
TheAmethystScorpion 4 months ago
@TheAmethystScorpion What you are missing is that this has been used in a claim of free energy. What is really here is as you describe. What the claims are is a different matter.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger Yes yes but they are presenting this as some kind of new and wonderful secret invention when it is nothing of the kind. My Five year old has one just like it in her "Fun With Magnets" set that I bought for $14.99! I know I said I will try and be supportive of Project Camelot but it's very difficult when they pull stunts like ths.
TheAmethystScorpion 4 months ago
@TheAmethystScorpion Perhaps the "stunts like this" is the nature of Project Camelot. It appears that they were either taken in by this or they are in on it. In one case they are too dumb to to be worthy and in the other they are corrupt. If it is a question of finding new energy sources, this is a blind alley. The whole "magnet motor" idea is just bogus. Solar power looks likely and wind power is a maybe.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger I know - and I don't want to admit it but you are probably right. I think they have been set up to be discredited and have fallen for it. What I find most disturbing id the venom and backlash from people who claim to be "truth and light" when one so much as questions something for a better understanding. Something is very very wrong here.
TheAmethystScorpion 4 months ago
@TheAmethystScorpion Think religious cult and I think you will get a better feel for the "thinking" of the supporters. "wishing will make it come true" has become a substitute for working hard and learning and understanding. We really need some energy solutions. I don't see any coming from running around the old stump 3 times and then throwing salt of the shoulder. I do see it coming from some serious levels of work.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@knowledgemonger Oh its TOTALLY like a religious cult and it reminds me very much of when I was a Christian - we love you unconditionally but don't you DARE question anything - lol. Still they are doing me a favour because I know better who I can trust and who I should avoid.....
TheAmethystScorpion 4 months ago
@TheAmethystScorpion christianity is not a cult and protestant is not a religion Catholicism is because it is based on a certain amount of rules and regulations please get your facts straight
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@darkferiousity My facts are perfectly straight. I was an evangelist for over fifteen years in the "born again sect " of Christianity and it was the behaviour of these people that forced me to look at what the Greek texts actually say which led me to the conclusion that Christianity is a constructed scam. I also have many Catholic and Protestant friends and yes they are lovely people. Sorry for the confusion.
TheAmethystScorpion 4 months ago
this thing is real?
lordcapucino 4 months ago
@lordcapucino It really spins when he forces it to move over the table. The rotor has a ball l\on the bottom. It leans over slightly. This makes the point of contact with the table slightly offset from the axis of rotation. When he forces it to move over the surface, the friction between the ball and the table top provides the torque that spins it up. It is a fairly easily done deception.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@TOMISLAV6608
Really? Why do you think that?
7ito1990 4 months ago
@LiamXaoh why couldnt the outer ring be designed to move? it is possible as a motor, at least on a small scale
dom85ross 5 months ago
@dom85ross To make the outer ring move you must supply a force. It doesn't want to move on its own, you must push it. This means that an external energy source is needed to move the ring. In this case, it is his hand. You could make a machine do it too but you would need that machine to have a battery or plug in the wall or the like.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
@dom85ross - if the outer ring were designed to move it would require energy to move it. It is then that externally supplied energy that would be making the inner rotor spin. Magnetic motors don't work by themselves.
LiamXaoh 4 months ago
you dont realy need pvc around cut pip at all all you need to is put the magnet in a around space like that with one gap in and have rine nagnet and that woulkd make it spine
alienhddna 5 months ago
i m going make a motor out of this
alienhddna 5 months ago
@alienhddna - you don't seem to realise this device is only working because the outer ring is being moved - it is impossible to make this work as a motor without external power.
LiamXaoh 5 months ago
@LiamXaoh
But, he is just holding it, isn't he?
I know he tends to go after the spinning part a little, but having both placed securely under some structure, the bearings to the rest in helping the rotation have as little friction as possible
7ito1990 4 months ago
@7ito1990 - the only reason the centre rotor spins is because the outer ring is moved. It doesn't matter if moves a little or a lot the point is the energy to make the centre rotor spin ALL comes from the movement of the outer ring. Devices such as this are often quoted as "free energy" motors but those bereft of a basic knowledge of physics don't realise the moving hand is the energy source and the magnets merely allow the energy to be transferred and do nothing else.
LiamXaoh 4 months ago
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pleaselegalizehemp 5 months ago
People have invented free energy for decades, even a recent televised show from the guy from sham wow made show where people bring their inventions.
The winner would get the sham wow guy to do the commercial for free.
There was shitty to excellent inventions, one guy invented a great free energy out of water and it changed it to hyrdrogen and the motor worked really well.
sham wow's exact words was "its a great invention but the powers at be will not like this"
trashed eliminated!!
2hottie69isBACK 5 months ago
@2hottie69isBACK It takes more energy to make the hydrogen than the motor produces. There are no real "free energy" inventions. There are a lot of urban legends about them. When you check the facts you always find either someone who fooled themselves or someone trying to fool others.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
@knowledgemonger
but there are always cheaper ways of having electricity. When you pay to mount a generator based on magnets or a solar panel (of course you would need a few solar panels to maintain a house) the sun still shines freely.
I don't think there are any special fake legends on those terms. But do you believe there are? Plz tell me so.
7ito1990 4 months ago
@7ito1990 I'm sure that there must be some fakes about solar panels or the like. There are also bound to be some urban legends. It just comes with human nature. However, there is no doubt that solar power and wind power are for real. There is also no doubt that people can make better equipment for both. A solar panel only gets us about 1/5th the energy from the light that hits it. There is lots of room for someone to make one that is twice as good.
knowledgemonger 4 months ago
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Yeah. That's why Stan Meyers got in trouble and Genepax never launched their water based cars into the market!
Research both on youtube, you'll find he actually likely died in a strange manner. Stan, that is.
So, that is strong evidence things do work.
I saw top gear testing a water cell on a car, but the thing is... they did it wrong! And it was proved and explained by someone also on youtube!!... Was it accidental mis-construction? We'll never know.....
7ito1990 4 months ago
Nothing is free.
johnnnyreb51 5 months ago
@johnnnyreb51 the sun shines for free
MrSteventodd 5 months ago
@MrSteventodd Yes, but that's the light energy from the Sun. Not the magentic energy.
johnnnyreb51 5 months ago
He isant coning people, your and everybodyelses goverments are...
You how dont belive in fusion energi and free energi are people that dont understand and you cant belive it becuse you dont have the knowege!
My engelish sucks.....
paularna 5 months ago
hahaha
"no strings", just a hand of stupid man
oh yes, stupid ppl's work is free - it's why this engine is a "free energy" engine
z08840 5 months ago
He knows what he is doing, He has witnessed alot more than most people, Insanity? It may be an act to to preserve his and his familes lives.
mniwh 5 months ago
@daysweeper I will admit that I am making a conclusion. Just because he doesn't ask for money at that time doesn't mean that cheating people is not his agenda. He also could be insane. That would allow him to not be stupid and yet do what is obviously a trick without intending deception. For now, I will stay with the idea that he is just trying to con people.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
@daysweeper I watched the video and looked at what he was doing. I am sorry but nobody can be that stupid and still remember their own name.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
@daysweeper Think con artist. This is one case where "When stupidity will serves as an explanation you need look no further" does not apply. The person doing the deception is fooling people on purpose.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
your full of the truth!!!! Hallelujah!!
SlayerX787 6 months ago
Tesla was going to give the world free energy based on this principle. He died alone and broke in a hotel room.
complyvoluntarily 6 months ago
@complyvoluntarily I really really really wish that people would stop throwing mud on the good name of Tesla by trying to associate his name with rubbish like we see in this video..He was a great inventor, not a two bit scam artist. How the deception is done here is obvious. I have already explained it in earlier comments.
Tesla (the real story) was a very interesting guy and the facts about his life and his papers all are a good read. I suggest you go read up on the real story.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
@knowledgemonger This video is not deception. George Green shows this principle for the same reason Tesla wanted to give the world free energy, for the good of humankind. Do you think I am 'throwing mud' on Tesla's name? I find that curious. I made my comment because I thought it was tragic that he died without seeing his vision come to fruition. I left my comment open to interpretaion and you, sir or ma'am, are just looking for an arguement.
complyvoluntarily 6 months ago
@complyvoluntarily Yes, the video is a deception. The rotor spins for the reasons I explained.
You seem to also believe a common urban legend about what the "free energy" Telsa was working on was. He was not thinking he could create energy out of thin air. He thought that he could distribute energy to the masses for free. The idea was to pump up a wave guide formed between an ionized layer and the earth. We know today it wouldn't have worked but back then it looked good.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
@knowledgemonger don't bother they cannot understand energy cannot be destroyed or created and that it simply transforms.
fenix144 6 months ago
@fenix144 I can't help defending the good name of Tesla. It really really bothers me when people throw mud on it.
In this case, we don't need to have people understand the science. We just need to point out how the deception is done. Even people who believe in "free energy" can be protected from this one scam just by pointing out the fairly obvious way that they are being fooled. For some of the others it is harder.
knowledgemonger 5 months ago
If you can find a magnet with a hole all the way through it.
Stand it up with a plastic rod. Make sure it can spin take the little circle thing as shown in the video and hover over the magnet it works it's epic
mrkool125 6 months ago
David Wilcock claims the aliens with 6 fingers will come to save us on 12/21/12) These are the evil 'giants' the bible talks about. Using occult numerology the date adds up to 333. Half of 666. An occultist assigns the number '333' to "death, resurrection, and ascension", and consider it to be most powerful. Also there is a strong correlation between the numbers 6 and 13 in occult numerology. You will get the mark of the beast in 2013. The mark of the beast is the Seal of Solomon / Hexagram
Ravenous11yt 6 months ago
i try to made my own and it didnt work..i think its the algnment of the magnets
chil0man 6 months ago
@chil0man I dont think it'll ever work. Unfortunately, this video does not show perpetual motion or some hidden energy. By moving his hand alone is kinetic energy which is transfered to the rotating top. If you observe carefully, the thing only spins as he moves his hand with the magnet.
gconol 6 months ago
@gconol Yes, that is exactly how the deception is being done. It is a classic scam.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
The one GLARING problem is that you constantly need a person to keep it working. If it really worked, the rotor would be placed on a shaft and the stators would be mounted and it would run forever without having to move your hand around to create motion.
jzsd14me 6 months ago
@stargate253 I was not suggesting that there aren't those who believe in the idea. I am just pointing out that this specific one is obviously an intentional deception.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
i guess this is not trying to explain the workings of the magnetic motor that has several forms and difficulties to actually function
frantubador 6 months ago
@frantubador This is just a scam. It is just trying to fool people. Nothing more. Nothing less.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
@knowledgemonger then how do you explain a 12 year old making one. follow the link
soundexperience1 6 months ago
@soundexperience1 What link. Your question is based on a false premise. There is always a rumor that someone did it or that a friend of a friend saw one. Watch the video carefully. You can see how the deception is done. The rotor leans over slightly. This makes the ball on its bottom contact the desk at a slight angle. The angle means that the point of contact is slightly off center. When you force it over the surface, the off center point of contact causes the rotor to spin.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
this explains the orbital motion of planets and satellites, which sounds more like "something in the fall that never falls"
frantubador 6 months ago
by "vortex" he means a way of suckering in people who end up using this design instead of the much better perendev design.
if u want to make a magnet motor, plz just copy the perendev motor it's the most effective application of magnetic repulsion that can be used to generate the most torque.
katsumorymoto 7 months ago
@katsumorymoto Anyone who thinks that the perendev was real (1) has not tried feeding things like perendev, Mike Brady and fraud into google and (2) doesn't understand physics.
The thing shown in this video is a very obvious trick. You can see how it was done. The perendev video is better done. They hide the thing turning the wheel and edit the video in a way that fools enough people that they managed the defraud quite a lot of money before going to jail for it.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
@knowledgemonger if you do a youtube search for: "perpetual motion machine selfrunning", you can see a VERY OBVIOUSLY non faked version of an infinite energy clock pendulum, that could easily power a clock for hundreds of years. the perendev design is the same basic concept, except done with much more magnets to complete a wheel for more torque.
the people who make N machines, water powered cars, perendev motors, etc. get death threats. see: "Free Energy - Pentagon Conspiracy to Cover up"
katsumorymoto 6 months ago
@katsumorymoto No, if your do a search a look carefully you will find some fakes that are well done and others that are more obvious. You will find no "free energy" machines "perpetual motion machines" or magnet motors that actually work. You will only find various qualities of fakes.
knowledgemonger 6 months ago
The variable is the movement in the hand, meaning you are transferring energy into the system. I agree, fix all the parts so they don't move and then see what happens. Google "cheniere" (space) "kawai" here you will find some very interesting information.
darkstatehk 7 months ago
It's an energy transfer device. Nothing more. If they want to prove that it's free energy, show the motor drive a load with the horseshoe magnet fixed not being manipulated by the holder.
alexermerson 7 months ago
@alexermerson Excactly and the guy in the video, claims that there are people with bigger ones running. Is he just making this up? He kinda loses a lot of credibility from my point of view.
1337ofL3g3nds 7 months ago
It's not free energy. I'm sorry. I really believed it. I should have read the comments. I spent 30$ on buying magnets, and making a replica of this device. It works as far as you can make it spin, when it leans; But I tried fixing it, and it wouldnt rotate. If needed I can make a video, showing that it doesnt work as free energy.
1337ofL3g3nds 7 months ago
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tyuiwas 7 months ago
Well I made one and it works well enough. My opinion is worth shit, but I'll just leave you to make your own minds up.
SoapClawtooth 7 months ago
I would like to see this motor built as a fixed device, because it is more than likely that minor movements of the hand are causing the speaker magnet to spin.
Kaydreein 8 months ago
@Kaydreein As soon as you force them to put the rotor on a shaft and not have that ball on the bottom or even not allow the hand motion, the trick fails. It is a fairly easy trick to do. The rotor needs to lean a little but not too much, hence the gap in the magnets. It needs to be not completely obvious about the lean to the side moving the point of contact off the axis to make the torque that spins it. If it is obvious, the deception fails.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
well done this for my college project
liver9100 8 months ago
Actually you can counter the offset with multiple cylinders the stator(the part that is the ring with magnets on it) and offset them from center and change from cylinder to cylinder with the rotor part on an axle and correct for field offset! This is a very incomplete description but only used to explain a possible avenue showing that it is not cut and dry that it will not work as Mr.Monger has surmised as there being no avenue to look into the issue any further! Meaning It's worth looking into!
theantiredneck 8 months ago
@theantiredneck No amount of fancy positioning of things can make this bogus idea work. All this video shows is a trick used to fool the gullible. I have explained how the trick is done. Scroll back through the comments and you will see it.
I did not merely surmise that this will not work. There is a proof. It applies to the general case. All you need to do is go look up the equations for the force on a magnetic pole and the one for energy in a field and do some math.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
I thought his carcass was pulverized to dust but rednecks never die i have found out!
Not to worry there will never B any specific information from him on any issue other than non related collection of minor language like" the flux capacitor won't work because of acute phase angles" with no ability to answer any return debate on what he just said cause he thinks a few minor pieces of language will stump you!!! The real truth is Mr. Monger is the magician unwittingly of course!!
theantiredneck 8 months ago
I went through Mr. monger last October and i see he is in another video with wishy washy non specific opinions where he tries to sound technical and that he knows what he's saying but yet say's nothing specific and when questioned he can't give directional answers much less specific answers and when you see through him, that he has never built anything in any way and expose his lack of direction Mr. Monger begins to insult you and call you names with the same lack of technical accuracy!
theantiredneck 8 months ago
@theantiredneck You can try to suggest that my comments are not of substance but that doesn't make it so. I have explained to you why this idea is simply nonsense. You are unable or unwilling to follow the argument and thus post rubbish claims not based in any sort of reality.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger still hard at work convincing the non-believers? hey, remember me? from almost a year ago? dude, we all [most likely] know what you know about thermodynamics and such. simply SAYING such energy is not possible does NOT refute what we SEE in this video.
man, i tell you. just give it up. people won't believe you because this video is turning EVERYTHING you've EVER learned in [education] flat on its head, and you start QUESTIONING the validity of what's written in science books.
executableapplet 8 months ago
@executableapplet What we see in this video is just a trick to fool the gullible. Watch it carefully and see if you can figure out how the trick is done. It is very easy to see. Don't cheat by looking back through the comments where I explain it.
I am not refuting what you actually see in this video. I am refuting what is claimed about what you see. It is two different things. The trick is done right in front of your eyes. Ignore what is said and watch. You will see.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger Sorry but you are 100% wrong. This is not a trick at all and some countries, Austrailia being one of them, is using this technology in remote areas. An inventor in Austrailia has made one the size of a small kitchen appliance that puts out 24kw consistently. watch?v=F4qjZocje0c
joecane6340 8 months ago in playlist project camelot
@joecane6340 No, I am correct. This is a trick and a fairly obvious one too.
You directed my to a known scam with the link you provided. The machine in that video does nothing useful. It really makes me sad to see those nice meters being abused as they are. It is a known characteristic of those meters that if you apply signals outside their intended band width, they read nonsense. In another video these same guys multiply average values and claim watts. Can you say "bogus"
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger Wrong again. I've seen it work with my own eyes. Also, do you realize how easy and logical this is? To say it is a trick is like saying that starting a fire by rubbing two sticks together is magic. Also, you do realize that they are not showing the entire thing. It hooks to a generator. The spinning force created by the magnets turns the generator. I know it's spooky and all but it's ok. It wont hurt you. lol
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 You are either a fool or a liar. What is shown in this video is a trick that fools the gullible. I am sorry but it simply is not real. You posted a link to a known scam. You may have been fooled but I doubt it leaving the option that you are a liar the most likely.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger Whatever. Sheeple are going to believe what they want to believe, Don't call people fools and liars just because you lack the intelligence to understand how it works. Again....Do you understand that what you see above is not the entire motor? All you are seeing is the mechanism that turns the generator. Havent you ever tried to push 2 magents together? Please tell us you are not this stupid.
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 I called you a fool or a liar because you made a claim that is clearly untrue, directed me to a video of a known scam as an attempt to support your claim and then claimed that you have seen something that does not exist. I know a great deal about things like magnetic fields. I have done experiments and have made actual measurements.
I suggest you take your lies elsewhere.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger Wow. You are really all kinds of stupid aren't you.
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 You can attempt to use insults but since I know that you are supporting a fairly obvious con and offered a video of a known scam as proof of your point, it really doesn't matter to me. I explained how this trick was done in earlier comments here. If you look at the comments on the video you offered as proof you will see that I explain how in that video they are attempting to fool people. You are supporting known scams.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
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@knowledgemonger ok. you keep telling yourself that.
joecane6340 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger Here. I posted the wrong video anyway... watch?v=w-awIUVSIRo
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 That is a copy of an old video. The OneTrueMedia thing was edited onto the front of an existing video. The older video is from a scam that was shut down a while ago. Needless to say, they are talking total nonsense in their claims.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger Like I said before. You keep believing what you want to believe. This is a very SIMPLE concept. A 3rd grader can see how this works. Again. You do realize that what is being shown above is only a part of it. In fact it's a very simple example. I'm sure they showed it this way so people could EASILY grasp the concept. People calling it fake are invested in oil. Think for yourself and see it work IN PERSON like I did.
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 A 3rd grader may indeed fall for your lies but anyone with a little education or common sense can see that the thing shown in this video is a trick and anyone who can do a little work with google can discover that the EBM and Lutec things were just scams. That you are trying to claim that you have seen it work means to me that you are in fact a liar. Why you are telling this lie I am not sure but I'm betting that this point that you are at least considering committing a fraud.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger No. You're the one who is a liar. At first I thought you were just stupid but I'm having a hard time believing someone can be as stupid as you seem to be. You still are avoiding my question. Plus you are basing your opions off of what you've heard. I saw it in person. Have you? Stop humiliating yourself and go see it for yourself. Until you do, what you say means nothing.
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 I base my opinions on the evidence and science and what I can find with google. I have done real scientific experiments and have made th actual measurements. You are a liar. The videos you have used in attempts to back you claims are both ones of scams. This video shows an obvious trick that would only fool the most gullible. I assume that you are preparing to attempt to commit a fraud.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger Well that explains it. Experiments? You are so full of it. In fact, your screen name says more about you than you realize. You really have no clue how stupid you are. How sad. By the way. No fraud here. Not trying to sell anything. I just know what I saw. I have no reason to lie whatsoever. I'm defending the truth. You're one of those know-it-all types that think you're impressing everybody when in reality they're laughing at you behind your back. Run along and play.
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 I know that you are a liar. This is certain. The only question is why. I assume it is because you are about to try to try some sort of a fraud. Nobody who didn't have some important stake in the issue would be trying to claim that the thing we see in this video is anything other than an obvious trick.
The two videos you directed me to in an effort to support your case were both of known scams. You have aligned yourself with Lutec and EBM. It says a lot about you.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
@knowledgemonger I don't even know who Lutec and EBM are. These videos are NOT scams. Just disinfo from people like you. It is really sad that there are people out there that are really this stupid and blind. You are without a doubt the biggest moron I've met in person and online. I'm done trying to waste my time with you. Have a nice close minded life in your moms basement.
joecane6340 8 months ago
@joecane6340 Go follow the links you provided. They both lead to scams. Go ahead and follow your own links and see what an idiot you have made of your self.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
Ok, someone tell me why he won't fix that thingie to a bearing, put that ring on top around that thingie, and have it spinning. Then put some load on it to see how much energy it produces.
op684 8 months ago
@op684 The magic trick only works if you do it like shown and don't let people stop and think about what you just did. As soon as you fix it to a shaft or even stop pushing it over the surface of the desk, you have to come up with a different way to do the deception.
knowledgemonger 8 months ago
You know the energy to turn the thing is coming from somewhere. If this was a more rigourous experiment, we could determine if it's from the guy holding the outer ring or from something like coreolis force, just plain air movement. If these quacks would pot more scientific method in these experiments, there wouldn't be so many skeptics.
Nomoreidsleft 9 months ago
@Nomoreidsleft I have seen this same trick in many videos now. Here is how it is done:
The rotor has a ball on the bottom of it and not a point. When the rotor leans over, the point of contact between the rotor and the surface of the desk is offset a little from the axis of the rotor. The slight uneven spacing of the magnets causes the rotor to lean slightly. When the person forces the rotor to move over the surface of the desk, the offset point of contact makes the torque to spin it.
knowledgemonger 9 months ago
@knowledgemonger Your guess is as good as mine without the proper data. These people rely on that to propagate their claims. They're never going to have anything useful come out of this without more rigourous methods, like I said and I have a feeling they prefer it that way.
Nomoreidsleft 9 months ago
Too many NARROW MINDS viewing this??: You DO NOT attach anything to the central motor as a shaft to drive anything.,you simply attach another set of balanced windings on each side of the central motor. Then around each of those coils you place another magnet assy (generator/dynamo). You can also utilize the power generated to supplement larger assemblies that would then use electro magnets! You are only limited by your understanding of engineering.
mistermassive1 9 months ago
@mistermassive1 You seem to be limited by the very thing that you think others are limited by. Open your eyes and look carefully and see this video as showing the deception that it is. The rotor leans over slightly making the contact point with the table slightly offset from the axis of rotation. The hand forcing it to move over the surface is where the torque comes from.
The rest of your comments are meaningless from an engineering point of view or at best wrong.
knowledgemonger 9 months ago
@knowledgemonger - Your a fool! I just clicked on your profile and you are a tool or agent of some sort. This is obvious by your selection of video picks. IF you do no research of your own than just keep your trap shut! I have watched over 100 hours of video on this subject let alone the reading of books relative to the technology. This video is more of a magnetic field motor 101 for those who have difficulty grasping the basics of these principles. The Germans, Swiss and Austrians have this now
mistermassive1 9 months ago
@mistermassive1 I do lots of research of my own. I don't count much of the youtube videos among that research. Most of them are just nonsense. This video shows how to fool the extremely gullible and nothing more. The explanation of how the trick is done I gave is the truth. You have obviously fallen for some completely bogus claims. I suggest you go study a little physics and do a little real research before you comment further on this subject.
knowledgemonger 9 months ago
Maybe it can be developed so that you put in a certain amount of energy to just get it goin. It is possible, but you have to put in some energy.
100% free energy is a problem. Its like saying "Im gonna fix myself a juicy Burger without the necessary ingridiances". We are not there yet.
We could use solar energy to start up the motor, i mean...the sun is there....lets bloody use it. The world is about money though... thats the big problem. They will make up stuff just to charge you.
InnerTranquility 9 months ago
its not free energy .. cuas he moves his hand and that again moves the manget with the ball !!!!!
solunasunrise 9 months ago
The rotor (spinning) part should be mounted in place. Mounting it on a pike would alleviate most of the friction. The fact that the stator ring is hand held, any movement of the stator ring across the table allows energy to be extracted (from the holder of the stator) by the rotor as it "falls" toward the center of the stator ring that is being moved in this video. The rotor device should be mounted, at a minimum.
freaklemon 10 months ago
@freaklemon The deception relies on people not looking closely and not thinking about what they are seeing. As soon as the rotor is fixed in position by placing it on a shaft or only supported at its axis, the effect goes away. The offset point of contact is need for the trick to work.
Others have done different tricks with the rotor supported. They usually use a hidden electromagnet or mechanical connection to turn the rotor. It is all rabbits out of hats but some hats are fancier.
knowledgemonger 9 months ago
for those that real want to research a real work "magnet motor" search youtube for
Kundel Magnetics Prototype
Kundel Magnetic Motor Prototype 1 360View
hwatch?v=HhGGPFk2mjY
eloid777 10 months ago
People all need to look at James Roney Magnet Shield. This is the holy grail for magnet use. Spread the news. Also Geroge Greens magnet motor is cool. And who could go past:
Rotor-Stator Magnetic Toy V1
have fun everyone. :)
mr1000rx 10 months ago
@mr1000rx The James Roney thing is just nonsense that some people have fooled themselves about. The George Green thing is just a simple parlor trick being used to fool those who don't know better.
knowledgemonger 10 months ago
@knowledgemonger So then the 'parlor trick' that my club has got up and running is just smoke and mirrors. LOL
mr1000rx 10 months ago
@mr1000rx No, in your case, it is just a lie. You have done no such thing. I don't know why you are telling this lie but my current guess is that you are some sort of crook. You could be insane instead or merely joking but I doubt it.
knowledgemonger 10 months ago
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mr1000rx 10 months ago
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@knowledgemonger What part of Magnet Shielding don't you get. There are magnet shields in electric gadgets all around us. Computers for instance. Why are you to emotive, what is your angle?
There are heaps of overunity devices being invented as we speak. Look at the 'Over Unity' clips 1 to 23 for instance. Magnets make it happen. go figure.
mr1000rx 10 months ago
So if you built one of these the size of Jupiter, you'd have enough power to light a lightbulb?
79hyperwave 11 months ago
@79hyperwave No, if you built one the size of Jupiter, you would need a hand bigger than that and a really huge desk to perform magic trick.
Gap in ring makes rotor lean.
The ball on the bottom of the rotor touches the desk a little off center.
When you force it over the desk, the offset point of contact spins the rotor.
It is a trick, and not even a new one, that you are watching here.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
i am sure there is a better way to create energy and I think the oil companies and govt are probably suppressing ideas but i made one of these motors and it didn't work.
bthegood 11 months ago
@bthegood There is a better explanation than a conspiracy to explain why better systems have not made it to market. Very simply, the problem is hard and the poor state of science education means that we really only have a small number of people working on the problem.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
Where do you get a speaker magnet with a hole in it? I've taken a lot of magnets apart when I was a kid and never saw that.
exodous02 11 months ago
@exodous02
I assume you are not referring to the round hole in the middle of many speaker magnets.
The magnet he is holding in his hand is made from several small magnets attached to some nonmagnetic material. The trick relies on you not understanding what he is really doing.
The reason a magician uses a magic wand is because the viewers eyes will tend to follow the motion of the wand rather than see what the other hand is doing. In this case, what is being said is the "magic wand".
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger So if it isn't real how do you reproduce the trick? Is this something you can fool people up close or only with grainy youtube video? It would be a really good prank to pull if it was possible to do in person.
exodous02 11 months ago
@exodous02 All you need to do is follow the actions he does and you can see how the trick is done. The ball on the base of the rotor is important to it. The gap in the ring of magnets causes the rotor to lean slightly to one side. This means that the point of contact between the desk and the rotor is a little off the center line of the rotor. When you move the ring, the rotor is forced to move across the surface of the disk. The offset point of contact causes the torque that spins the rotor
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Cool, I'm getting the magnets then, I know a few people that I'd love to play this trick on. I knew something was up because everyone 're-creating' did the ball bearing also instead of a shaft. Now that I know there has to be movement for it to spin it makes a lot more sense.
exodous02 11 months ago
That´s how they keep it as a "secret in the open" - keeping the ratio of faked videos high enough for people to be more confused than helped or even instructed - look behind the tactics!
miketutnix 11 months ago
Anybody with some basic understanding in physics knows for a fact that zero-point or "free energy" is a real - proven phenomenon. Nicola Tesla ran a car and built a power-station in the early 1900s - no energy-resource required. Fact. The financial powers that be don´t want it to happen on a large scale - that´s it!
miketutnix 11 months ago
@miketutnix Fact, Nicola Tesla never discovered or proved a method of generating free energy. Please don't use the word 'fact' again unless its an actual fact. Oh and anyone with some basic understanding of physics knows these simple motor devices do not output more energy than is put in ;)
1wibble2 11 months ago
@1wibble2 In this case we are only seeing that a person moving his hand can make a top spin. We aren't seeing any sort of a motor at all. It is just a very simple mechanical device and a whole lot of hot air at work here. I think that some people seriously want there to be some sort of magic in the world that only they know about. This is the attraction of the really bogus stories like the one miketutnix put here.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago