Jehovah's Witnesses and Repetition for Emphasis (Argumentum ad Nauseam) Internet Dangers

[MrWhoknows12]

watching all your video's made me get closer to Jehovah. thankyou.

[propagandatechniques]

@MrWhoknows12 You're welcome. I am glad you will now be in the beautiful paradise. Please remember to donate your piggy bank to the corporation that Jehovah used to provide all the wonderful details of the carnage you will now have the wonderful blessing of cleaning up. Blood, entrails, charred bones; all for you and your wonderful fellow "slaves" to remove. I am so happy for you.

[Tawna54321]

I'm afraid the only "danger" to the WT Society is really concerned about is their exposure...Rand Cam...UN NGO. Excellent vid

[bababybwoo]

does this just go over their head?

[bababybwoo]

o god, not that again. You get all dressed up and drive there and hear the same talk you have already heard a million times. You fall asleep rather then have to hear it again. seriously.

[tinkabella83]

Excellent video. I'm an ex-cult member too. Isn't it nice to not be in a batshit religion anymore? :D

[propagandatechniques]

It's awesome being out of this batshit religion. They think we're lying, but I thank God every day for putting the right people in my path that helped me escape.

[poconoporker]

LOL! Great vid PT for exposing these rascals!

[jahfen0563]

Faulty reasoning at it's finest! Man, if I didn't know any better I would hang on every word you said.

True or false is the internet dangerous if misused!?

Did Jesus not say you would be persecuted and hated for his sake?!

[propagandatechniques]

"True or false is the internet dangerous if misused!?"

So is a chainsaw, but you don't see five thousand warnings in the Watchtower about it.

I have an idea. Let's pretend you're on trial for your faith. I'm the prosecutor. Let's prepare you for real persecution one day. Ready? I'll ask the question. You answer... Can you get out of your religion to explore another without being persecuted by your so-called "brothers"?

[propagandatechniques]

"Did Jesus not say you would be persecuted and hated for his sake?"

Yes he did. And do you know it's very true? I'm being persecuted, stereotyped as "apostate" and shunned by ones who are comparable to the Pharisees of his day for following his words below:

Mt 24:5 "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive. Not therefore go you after them." Lu 21:8 (Emphatic Diaglott)

[propagandatechniques]

I'll ask you again,since you don't seem too enthused about answering:

Can you get out of your religion to explore another without being persecuted by your so-called "brothers"?

[4getJLG]

You'll note that it harder to navigate its really word specific. Plus the newer versions are partials that add on to older versions. Certain books and mags are hard to cross reference. You'll also find it hard to cut and paste. I use to write my outlines by that method. They found it was to easy for Apostates to use there writings so they've made it easier which means easier for them to hide. The library is for looking up immediate JW beliefs only.lol

[propagandatechniques]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[WatchtowerAddict]

I was raised as a good lil jw....i can remember going over the same information over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over!!

The same books at the book study over and over...and over...

My older brother is a missionary serving where the need is great...in a war zone !!

He sent me an email bragging that the first thing after getting off the plane he was taught how to dress a bullet wound ?...

[propagandatechniques]

All that repetition, and see? You still forgot that the Faithful and Discreet Slave CLASS are your guides. Bad lil' sheep.

[4getJLG]

Are you talking about their Watchtower library CD? I'v got a couple. The best is their 2001edition. Its a long story but the newer ones have alot of restrictions they're harder to use. You know since the light keeps getting brighter the Library keeps getting harder to use.lol ..note, nothing goes back farther then 1950.

[propagandatechniques]

I believe it was the 2007 edition that only went back to 1970. Then, in 2009, they came out with the 2008 edition that went back to 1950 again. Go figure.

[therv5000]

All you're doing here is searching the watchtower library material specifically for "internet dangers".. Of course you're going to find lots of material.. It wouldn't make sense for them to write an article concerning "door to door dangers" Nobody would accept the magazine... Also you can search google with "Internet dangers" and find probably a million links regarding that..

[propagandatechniques]

I just did a search on google and found 42,400 references to "internet dangers". That's not much more than what  you'll find on the Watchtower Library. The WTS handlers are pretty serious about keeping their neophytes off the internet.

[therv5000]

That's only because you used quotations when you searched for internet dangers. Otherwise you would find 630,000 references pertaining to internet dangers on google.. When you search in quotations you're only finding references that have the two words appear together subsequently.. Whereas when you searched on the WTL only one of the references shown had "internet dangers" used subsequently..

[propagandatechniques]

If Jehovah's Witnesses' handlers care about the sheep like they claim, why wouldn't they warn the publishers of the dangers going door to door? The real internet danger is that one of the so-called sheep might meet someone like me and exit the cult.

[therv5000]

Because they are all aware of the dangers of dogs and whatnot.. They just don't focus their attention on all the negative things that could happen.. They only focus on the positive experiences they encounter when they go door to door.. If you focus on negativity and all the bad that could happen then more negativity will manifest in your life.. That's why they don't focus on getting shot or getting bitten by a little puppy..

[propagandatechniques]

It's very interesting how you claim the members don't talk about the negative experiences. This we know is a lie. The JWs love persecution and love relating all experiences that can be interpreted as such.

How many people do you think would go door to door and face a dog attack if they realized they're merely pushing propaganda for a billion dollar corporation? When they are brainwashed into believing they're selling Christ's kingdom, suddenly, a dog attack transforms into wonderful persecution.

[therv5000]

I don't see how anyone would love persecution... Also, FYI it's a non-profit organization..

[propagandatechniques]

Yes, Watchtower (one word) is non profit. You're correct. However, I suggest you do some research on the group in Pennsylvania calling itself "Watch Tower", two words, who happen to have non-JWs on the board making decisions for "Watchtower" one word. Last year alone, Two Words received 2.4 billion dollars in profit, after all expenses were paid for One Word, the non-profit organization. You have so much to learn from us "evil apostates", young grasshopper. =)

[therv5000]

Any proof of this or are you talking out your ass?

[propagandatechniques]

Watch my video "norm of reciprocity" (watch?v=F80RvA4VbZk) before discussing further with me the non-profit status of the Watchtower (one word). Thanks. =)

[propagandatechniques]

"If you focus on negativity and all the bad that could happen then more negativity will manifest in your life..." According to this rule, if a person focuses on the internet and the dangers associated with it such as pornography and such, pornography and other dangers will manifest in his life, which is basically what I've been saying. If you tell someone not to do something enough times, eventually they'll do it. In other words, bad advertising is still advertising. I think you're waking up.

[therv5000]

Yes, you're right.. If you tell somebody 'don't look at porn' enough times, they'll probably do it... On the other hand, if you tell somebody to 'steer clear of pornography' then it will work better because you're telling them what to do instead of what not to do.. It's a better way of saying it..

[propagandatechniques]

This is how propaganda works. Notice your words, "bitten by a little puppy". You do realize this is downplaying the truth. People do not sic "little puppies" on you pains in the asses when you show up. They sic rottweilers and pit bulls on you because they do not want to hear your propaganda spewing mouths reciting watchtower rhetoric and I quite honestly can't blame them.

[therv5000]

Ohhh, quite hateful aren't we now...

[propagandatechniques]

It has nothing to do with hate my friend and everything to do with protecting families from a psychologically destructive, money grubbing cult seeking to recruit more unsuspecting people like yourself.

[therv5000]

You can intellectualize absolutely everything. Everything is relative.. Everything is positive and everything is negative, depending on how you decide to look at it.. You just decide to look at the negative and how bad everything is..

[propagandatechniques]

You have positive, negative and also have in between, something the WTS handlers do not want you to know about.

[propagandatechniques]

You see RV, what you do not seem to realize is that you're being tricked into believing that the hell on earth you're stuck in is actually a "spiritual paradise" aka "oasis". The proof of this is the number of people who were inside that were suffering from various forms of depression who have since left the psychologically destructive teachings of the WTS and have improved mental health as a result.

[therv5000]

I never really understood what 'spiritual paradise' meant.. lol... For the record, i'm not a baptized witness, nor a publisher, rather just a respectable young man. Most people suffer from one or another form of depression. Most people are disfunctional in one way or another no matter what their religion is or what beliefs they form in their mind.. It's easy to blame another person or religion for all your problems. Some people never look to themselves to see if there is something they can do ab

[propagandatechniques]

Well, hahaha! You've done a very good impersonation of a cult mind control freak then. My bad! =)

[propagandatechniques]

So, bottom line there, RV, are you advertising the king and his kingdom or are you advertising internet dangers, or are you advertising a little of both using "hypnotic bait ans switch"? Or, is it merely to ward off any JWs from stumbling upon "apostate" websites where they might learn the truth about how their minds are being controlled inside a totalitarian cult? Tell them where to find the most accessible pornography while at the same time warning them to avoid ones that might help them exit.

[therv5000]

Yes, they do want their members to avoid people like you.. I agree..

[propagandatechniques]

I'm glad you agree. I'll screw your head up royally and they know it.

By the way, if you agree with them, why do you come on our sites and try to convince us former members of your beliefs if you don't stand by your beliefs to begin with? If you agree with them you wouldn't speak to me in the first place. Uh-oh... too late. you fell into the trap of eating the forbidden fruit already. Now your only choice is to exit the cult like I did.

[therv5000]

I stand by my own beliefs, thank you very much.. The forbidden fruit has no corellation to speaking with you..

[blacknumber01]

Great work brother!... You're a very intelligent person... please keep up the good work!!!!!

[sldeyo]

excellent video!

[ICheruBI]

That was very well explained, good work mate :)

[therv5000]

Yes, every time they mention the internet, they address the dangers associated with it.. Most jw's have the internet. They are not programmed to not subscribe to the internet. But, as it is repeated so many times, they are aware of the dangers of the internet. The news does this too. Yes, many people look at porn on the internet, more than anything else in particular. Too much porn is bad. Also, they don't want children being harmed by predators. The news warns people of that as well..

[propagandatechniques]

There's more porn in the local gas station/deli behind the one taking the money, displayed prominently for all to see. When was the last time you heard of a timely reminder warning you of that?

[therv5000]

I disagree. There's a lot more porn on the internet than at the gas station.. Sorry man...

[propagandatechniques]

What I'm referring to is the porn that is visible to the naked eye that can be viewed why simply paying for gasoline. We've all seen it. When was the last time the WTS warned their members of this? Better yet, let's make this simple. Keep in mind now that non-witnesses will read this in the future: Can a person formally leave the JW religion and not face punishment by shunning? Yes or no? Please address this, since this is the crux of mind control penning in the members so they can't escape.

[therv5000]

But sir, the porn at the gas station isn't visible to the naked eye. It is located at the very top with only the title showing. Besides, if a jw was to look at porn it most likely would not be at the gas station.

[propagandatechniques]

"Besides, if a jw was to look at porn it most likely would not be at the gas station."

You're right. If a JW was to look at porn, they'd go right to the source the Watchtower Society keeps reminding them of - the internet. Which is exactly what this video is about - argumentum ad nauseam. If they're reminded enough times where to find the porn, soon all JWs will be addicted to it.

[therv5000]

You're right.. if they wanted to look at it that bad, that's probably the only place they would look for it.. However the WS associates the word 'danger' with internet porn, so when 'internet porn' enters into their mind it automatically triggers into their subconscious mind that danger is associated with the internet porn.. So, if they did end up looking at porn, since they were programmed to believe it is dangerous and wrong, they would be very secretive about it..

[propagandatechniques]

No doubt. Which is another criteria of cult mind control - "guilt inducton".

[therv5000]

You just use terms such as, 'mind control' or 'guilt induction', as if there is something wrong with that. Raising a child is mind control, because you're raising them to think a certain way.

There always was 'guilt induction'. Back in the day if you committed fornication religions stoned you to death, or burned you on a stake. They just didn't call it mind control or guilt induction back then.. It has always been that way. But because the jw's shun those same people then it's considered so ter

[propagandatechniques]

The two logical fallacies you're using here are "making a virtue out of a fault" and "everybody's doing it, so why can't we?" When parents begin enforcing rules upon their child with the threat of kicking him out and then shunning him, then you have the right to compare this to cult mind control.

Comparing the WTS to the other religions who also practiced tyranny is very applicable. I'm glad you did that. Since one group was oppressive in the past, they have the right to be oppressive too. =)

[WhereIsTruth]

yes...the truth is dangerous to the Society.

this is why they must associate danger...with the internet!

[Tawna54321]

Internet dangers = truth of watchtower lies and propaganda being exposed.

[propagandatechniques]

Exactly.

[tubian323]

Danger! Facts and truths! Danger!

[propagandatechniques]

Have you read the other comments? You're the only one going along with this.

[tubian323]

I think maybe you misunderstood my meaning, I meant to say that the WTS considers the internet "dangerous" because it has information that discredits them.

[propagandatechniques]

I see what you mean now.

[tubian323]

Actually, now that I'm aware of the Watchtower's tricks I've noticed that it uses the word "danger" alot. The danger of this and the danger of that. So Basically whatever the WT doesn't want their "sheep" to see or hear or think is associated with the word "danger." So they( the followers) whether consciously or not associate those things in their minds with the spiritual or physical danger of incurring the wrath of God. is that about right?

[propagandatechniques]

After spending much time with them and conforming to their ideas, you slowly surrender your individual identity in exchange for a group identity. After a long time, you cannot function outside the group without severe psychological problems. It's such a shame the condition is so misunderstood. Former members are victims of psychological identity theft. I hope learning this helps you in regaining your identity. Going back to old hobbies and interests helps.

[Jbeliski]

In the beginning... it was good, I was so happy that someone was coming to my house to teach me about god. All's I was taught was how to keep saying the word "Jehovah" and "the truth".

In the end...the stole my conscience, my love in my life.

I've cleansed myself of most of their twisted sayings. But I'm left with one twist. I've always thought the world wasn't exactly good, and they seemed all the more joyful to reinforce that thought in me. I must follow the good in myself.

Thanks!

[Jbeliski]

Does anointed mean anything in the JW's anymore? I thought the judge rutha closed the door in 1935. haha.

[propagandatechniques]

Supposedly, the leaders are "anointed", which Christ warned about:

Mt 24:5 "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive. Not therefore go you after them." Lu 21:8 (Emphatic Diaglott)

[Jbeliski]

Yes, I see now that they are letting just about anyone in to the "governing body" - they just they are anointed and there in now. No more of that 1914 or 1935 rubbish applies anymore. Towards the end of my "free" bible studies with them, I thought I was going insane because I could not make sense of pretty much anything they were telling me. I just started agreeing. Finally snapped and got out but I'm still trying to get their brainwashing out of me.

[propagandatechniques]

Well, I've been out since October after being in fifteen years. So you can imagine the hell many of us are going through after exiting.

The real "agreeing" takes place when you get out selling the product by banging on doors. It gets deep into your head to the point where you actually begin to believe it. It's called "self sell". The salesmen eventually believe the sales pitch. They steal your identity. (see next post)

[bil1yjoe]

Good point, Internet dangers are dangers to the organization's head. Door-to-door dangers are for the little people.

[forensicgirl3]

When I was 13, and being forced to go out into field service EVERY DAY, I had a dog sic'd on me too by some Redneck scumbag. Took a nice chunk out of my leg. I was a 13 year old girl.

The field service group I was in refused to call the police for fear of "bringing reproach on Jehovah's name."

I was told that "maybe by not calling the police, that man's heart will open up to Jehovah! You should be proud you made Jehovah happy today!"

People wonder why I hate this cult.

[propagandatechniques]

You've been through the mill. I think back in horror at some of the things that happened.

One time they sent a Rottweiler out and he ran right up to me. I ordered him to sit and he sat. I petted him and told the brother with me I had a good mind to leave a tract under his collar and send him back in. Most people would've really gotten scared and ran and then been attacked. One time a guy put a 9 millimeter right into the side of my head. Another time I had four rednecks pointing guns at me.

[forensicgirl3]

This is why the WTBTS should be considered a cult, and a dangerous one at that.

We had an elderly brother who got beat up while out in field service. He damn near died from his injuries.

The local JWs thought it was just wonderful.

"Such a fine example of remaining steadfast in the face of opposition!"

Makes me just want to punch the wall.

[propagandatechniques]

Yes, that's one good reason to shut them down. In France, the government recognizes them as a "psychologically destructive cult" because they break up families and friendships and cause many psychological problems - especially for the young people. For this reason the WTS has been denied tax exemption in France.

We had one in our hall (so-called anointed) beat up for sticking his foot in the homeowner's door when the homeowner tried to shut him out.

[propagandatechniques]

I heard that "fear of bringing reproach on Jehovah's name" line a thousand times.

"I was told that "maybe by not calling the police, that man's heart will open up to Jehovah!"

Yes, and then he can show his love for Jehovah by signing over his redneck land, his redneck pickup truck and his redneck wife's jewelry to the Watchtower Society. =)

[JBSauce]

Internet, dangers, internet, pornography, dangers, internet, dangers, internet, dangers....

It's a smart idea to tie those words together. There are a handful of older congregation members who are very hesitant about internet use for that very reason. I do what I can to help them browse safely, but those ideas have been entrenched in their minds.

[propagandatechniques]

Hey JBS,

In the hall I was in (34 elders) one mile from WT Farms, the use of the internet was severely frowned upon.

One of the last comments I made before exiting likened the internet to a chainsaw; if misused, it could cause much damage. On the other hand, the internet can also help people learn about mind control in psychologically destructive cults such as the Moonies and the Mormons. The members were like, "Huh?!"

We were supposed to shun its use entirely.

[JBSauce]

Where I am on the West coast, there's a much more practical attitude about the internet. They're mainly concerned with keeping young people off social networking sites like MySpace. It isn't working; MySpace isn't the only game in town.

34 elders? How big was your hall?

[propagandatechniques]

120 publishers. Most were from WT Farms. It was only 1 mile from WT Farms, so all the old men from Brooklyn were sent to the farm and ended up in my hall. The local brothers like me didn't stand a chance in hell at breaking the mindless groupthink.

They got all the so-called "anointed" old men out of Brooklyn and up in Wallkill in the country now. They don't publicize that fact.

[JBSauce]

Oh that's right, all the older members being "released to the field" as special pioneers, right?

Talk about putting people out to pasture, eh?

[propagandatechniques]

Um... not quite. The older Brooklyn Bethelites are at the farm in a special "infirmary" (nursing home) that was dedicated in 2005. The printery has also been moved up to Wallkill.

Some of the middle aged have been sent into the field as "special Pioneers".

One sister I knew that worked in the infirmary that they sent out laughingly told me that she and one of the doctors was drugging at least one of the "cranky" old timers that I know of with Prozac without their knowledge.

[therv5000]

get a sense of humor..

[propagandatechniques]

You find something funny here? Sending people out in the field (the satanic world) to now have to work a regular "worldly" job at nearly 70 years old?

Drugging old people with anti depressant medication against their knowledge is funny to you?

[therv5000]

It's called sarcasm.. Not to be taken literal..

[propagandatechniques]

Another one that got sent out was a lawyer for the legal department in Patterson Educational Center where they have the liberal attorneys housed.

The man was not one of them, I can assure you. I'm sure he voiced his disapproval of what he saw going on inside. They sent him out with a law degree to go bang on doors 120 hours a month.

[propagandatechniques]

There's something you must understand. When I was in, the cliche I was in couldn't understand why certain ones were geting sent out. It seemed like the kindest, most hospitable, most dedicated to God were the ones being sent out. We were like, "WTH?!"

The real ball busters were being allowed to stay. I don't know what's going on now other than a few of the older ones have dropped dead after my exit. I wouldn't be surprised if they have an "angel of death" in the infirmary.

[propagandatechniques]

TRhe funny thing is that the cliche I was in were folks just like me - questioning everything like the Bereoans. When I left, they all disowned me, lol! Just like that they turned me off like a switch. That's when I really saw the love unlike anything else.

I guess the Jews that disowned Neil Diamond for becoming a Jazz Singer did it because they loved him too.

[propagandatechniques]

Something else I was thinking about, JBS, is the fact that I see pornography more often in gas stations behind the register when paying and yet do not remember ever hearing a "timely reminder" about the dangers of gas stations.

And if predators are a concern, I would imagine the Kingdom Hall would be more of a danger than the internet, where the Legal Department has labeled as "slander" the warning of others about recently released pedophiles from prison that arrive. Hmm... Makes you wonder.

[JBSauce]

If only I knew of the real reason for that. I'm sure it's legal CYA, but there's got to be more I haven't found out.

[propagandatechniques]

Actually, there's no legal justification for it at all.

If you understand what communism is, it's the same thing. Make the doctors farmers and make the farmers doctors. Pedophiles have rights. Parents with children do not. Take away the name of the masonic God "Jehovah" and you have communism.

If you're still inside, please raise questions without putting yourself into a precarious situation. Once they mark you for asking questions like this, they won't ease the pressure until you're out.

[TimKilgore]

Yay, I got a shout out in the video!!! Rock on!  That is an INSANE number of repetitions. Hitler couldn't do it better.

[propagandatechniques]

Yeah man, when I stumbled on that I simply could not believe it. I do not think there is anything else right now the WTS sees more as a threat to their control than the work we're doing on the internet helping set peoples' minds free.

I'm working on getting the most recent WT Library. I have a spy inside that is going to retrieve it. When members are inside helping the apostates outside free others, the power over all these cults - the NWO, will have to pull the plug on the system soon.