A Closer Look at BP

[caveman1799]

It's like flour..

[mcwario13]

Microns?

[edv177]

there's a reason they mix meal with 4f. powder tht fine should be put on rice hauls or cotton seed. also really fine powder like tht is also good when rolling stars!! you need tht real fine powder so it builds up easier when rolling

[paul29671]

In your videos you use the term 'airfloat'; is this a brand name supplier for those materials, and would you give contact info?

[gettingahandle]

I suggest that this is fine (pardon the pun). But next, I suggest mixing it with a little water to make a very thick paste, then pressing it through a sive to make granuels. Dry the granuels, then put it through various size meshes to make batches of different granuel size. In industrial production, the "paste" contains very little water, and is compressed under great pressure to make very dense granuels. But that step I would forget attempting at home, as it is too dangerous. Be careful!!

[ExtremePeppers]

The finer the powder is, the more surface area there is to burn, and burn at a faster rate.

[redstoneengenieer111]

you have edid too mutch charcoal and sulpher. maby it helps? it worked with me

[clownslider]

dude were you getting a blowjob , cuz it sure sounds like it .

[theknifeguy651]

it really depends on what your using it for say making plastic explosive no shooting maybe

[Morsam1995]

May by the batch contains too much moist, try drying it under the sun or under strong light.

[willyg63]

you give me hope as a 13 year old boy interested in science that not all children in the world are not all twilight watching justin bieber singing morons

[snowcap28]

Have you tried to use the fine power in a muzzle loader and compare it to thicker power to determine if there are any ill effects in firing the weapon.

[kmgentil]

i dont think its too fine, its just at the point were if u ball mill it for 3 more years or 4 days its not going to make a difference

[collinsftw1]

That looks like -5F g powder it is supost to be rocky like 2F or p 3F and 4F for flint lock enishin

[Nand0s1]

omg fuck i hate ur voice and u

[PyR0Star]

upgraded my ball mill container, after about the 10th I've destroyed, cookie jars to protein powder hdpe jars...... Made my own "skinman" PVC 4" rubber sealed container. I prefer batchs around 150g's per mill.... I believe that for everyone it will be different, because the wood matters the most. KNO3 and S, are commonly pure, but your C, will determine the outcome. My fastest burning BP was made with Cedar, yet i never see it on charts. I rescue xmas trees 4 free pine. 13 hours = best bp

[sgommino1000]

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[willyman9036]

Add the dextrin after milling and screen in 6 times, you'll get less clumping. Black powder can't be too fine. It can be dampened slightly with water and packed into a ball, then rubbed through a window screen to granulate it over newspaper and dried. Your mill should be bigger and half full of lead balls; then your milling time will only take 3 or 4 hours.

[breckenridge21]

i think its good star powder

[3981784]

the clumps don't mater, i have always milled this fine and never had problems. the finer to better.

[turbotonic27]

what is airfloat?

[breckenridge21]

@turbotonic27 its where its like well like the charcoal will give off this little cloud cuz its so fine

[StuPedassle711]

You're going to set yourself on fire.

[AW1338]

@StuPedassle711 nah, hes not hes PRO he not like most of these dumbass kids that just wanna blow shit up. He will be fine oh btw nice vids bangergoose

[billygotgrove]

Yes to fine isn't good. Granulating the black powder gives it a faster burn rate because the granules have space in between them allowing the fire from ignition to reach all of the black powder faster. If your using it in a cannon, large granules allow you to use less powder because of a faster ignition of all the powder

[darkfang77]

Granulating it will stop it from clumping.

But then again, granulating it is essentially making it into lots of little clumps.

The only situation where super fine black powder is counter-productive is when

you're making a slow burning powder, another situation where super fine powder is bad is when you're trying to launch something from it, too fast burning and it'll destroy your shell and thus make it blow up prematurely. Possibly in the launchers face if youre not careful...

[diapysik]

but its not too fine thats just the physics of mega fine powders

[diapysik]

this isnt about brittish petrol? bp lol im just kidding but i fucking sick of people saying bp instead of meal powder or black powder

[ChemXu]

i do believe that if you're making meal powder, overmilling might cause a problem like this. however, if you take this clumpy powder and granulate it into even granules, you'll have a fast, and even burn rate. if you plan on keeping it as a powder, my guess is to mill it for about 6-12 hours

[propyropower]

i think that the Mesh of C matters alot,as in germandark Al the C make's the Alflake more reactive,bigger service area.

so in ballmilling the C gets forced to take on as much of the S and kno3 as possible creating fasterburnrate's.intregration.

so maybe when you will it to long the C gets broken up into smaller mesh,maybe so small the kno3 and s are having less surface area.this sounds logic but cant prove it.its an idea'r. are u using hard or softwood.

[fireworkgalore]

You should have made a burn rate vid.

[xBangergoosEx]

@fireworkgalore i did

[fireworkgalore]

@xBangergoosEx Oh that video was it? okay, nvm then.

[fireworkgalore]

who made this myth up, i have defiantly never heard of this. my bp will clump but it still works very well

[pyr0ph1L]

I bought some black german aluminium that is over 1000 mesh (5 microns to be exact), and it actually looks a LOT like your black powder. So your black powder is definitely around 5 microns (or over 1000 mesh).

If I just spend max 2 minutes to quickly mix 7/3 ratio of some very very clumpy KClO4 and my black german aluminium, my FP never burns, it always detonates no matter if you confine, semi-confine or don't confine at all, and that's because of my 5 microns aluminium.. :P

[frzferdinand72]

I dunno if you're doing it for the video, but you sound like one of the very few adolescents these days that are literate and that don't sound like an idiot.

[xBangergoosEx]

@frzferdinand72 thank you. that is how i talk every day. most kids my age walk around with their pants around their ankles yelling ethnic slurs. I dont know exactly how i gained it, but i have a very extensive vocabulary.

[dabmann123]

@xBangergoosEx Nerd.

[tybo09]

I showed this to a co-worker today. He said "dude, Creamora time", which was odd, because I've never heard him say dude before...

The hard part would be keeping it from igniting before it made a cloud.

[xBangergoosEx]

@tybo09 wow im flattered that you showed this at work lol

[tybo09]

@xBangergoosEx He does pyro stuff and somehow this topic came up. He said he'd never heard that one could ball mill something too long.

[Nukedeuce]

as long as it burns!

[PersonguydudeWB]

Looks like dark Al :O

[TheBombBros]

i mill my bp until it is not black anymore. it will eventually turn gray. at that point, a ball mill will not make it significantly finer. then i add dexrtin to make it harden when i granulate it. people say dextrin slows bp, but just barely. i cant even see the difference. but bp cant be too fine, my bp clumps when it is airfloat too, but it doesnt make it any more difficult to work with. i havent had any problems with it being too fine.

[Vilius128]

i have almost same problem too-i grinded extremely good my potassium nitrate,about 40 grams of it and it don't even catches fire..

[Vilius128]

oh,actually i light it up now lol :)just added some sugar :D

The black powder can't can't be too fine,the finer it is,the better bp is

[AllPyrotechnics]

You can just granulate it to avoid the lumpynes. I got powder like that after 5h of milling and it kind of a pisses me of because it sticks on the back wall of the ball mill and don't wanna mill any more. But I don't see anything wrong with really fine BP, nothing negative at least.

[lilmarine93]

it looks like BP. When i make my bp i throw in ingredients that arent airfloat and my bp burns really fast.

[tybo09]

I don't know... I suppose the real test is, how did it burn?

[xBangergoosEx]

check out the mixes and compositions video

[tybo09]

Dang, that stuff was FAST!!!!

[xBangergoosEx]

hahaha i know dude!

[tybo09]

It cracks me up because it knocked the snot out of your flash powder, LOL

[xBangergoosEx]

hahahah yeah well thats cause

A: my ball mill is amazing

B: the ratios for the flash were all messed up

[FIREWORKSgalor]

adding the dextrin will make it clump more

[ENGterrorman]

you have dextrin inside yes? that will asbsorb moisture + make clumps so i advise not adding dextrin until necessary

[kentfireworks]

no its not right ..... the finer it is the better :) thats pyro buddy mine when its out from the ball mill it was like that clumping because it is very fine

[xBangergoosEx]

it clumps because there is moisture in it. I am examining a theory that a scientist eplained that if the powder is too fine then it wont act as its supposed to

[SARDEAN10]

if it is clumping it means its no good for firearm but good for fireworks, reason being if it is clumping most likely ther is moisture that will leave a sticky residue is ur firearm

[ENGterrorman]

no !! of course not , is better. what idiot told you that?

+ if your BP is clumping together it may have moisture inside it.

[eddynelly1717]

it really depends on what u want to use it for, cuz if its for lift i wont matter cuz ull make granules of it anyways. but i do believe so that too fine of a bp will be couter productive although im not shure that really matter too much. meal powder like that is fine for normal use i guess. u should make a batch of bp thats been ball milled for like 8 hours. and maybe go up a little but record how the bp looks like. you know like for 8 hours it looks like this,9 hours like this and so on so yea.

[xBangergoosEx]

alright i might do that cause i mean its super fast. like flash powder.

[eddynelly1717]

ok but what do u mean is super fast, this black powder?

[xBangergoosEx]

yeah. like its just as fast as lift powder, and its not even graulated