im sorry but german rifles are precision machines the reason that the soviets won was because of lower quality rifles mean lower maintanace but the k98 is far superior
@kilroywuzhere1 mosins before 1940 are also precision. and k98s arent some super gun. they shoot about the same with surplus ammo. however the mosin wins in simplicity and its lighter.
i shear empty bullet casings at 50 yards for fun with my 1936 m91/30. dont give me that shit about russians make crap. yes later mosins were not so good but were still accurate. and russian uniforms are cheaper, yet better designed and more durable than german or u.s.
The scope is better on the Mosin then the scope on the Mauser the rifle on the other hand is shit the Mosin is not a good quality rifle compared to the Mauser, the Mauser is far lighter and faster to reload and the bolt is fantastic, the mosin is shit has to much spring tension and is a bitch when it jams. or when the shell casing breaks in half in the chamber. and unless you have the tool to fix it your screwed.
@ethanreipold88 odviously you never shoot real guns. the scope on the mauser requires tools and is a pain to work with. both reload equally quick. the bolt on the k98 is faster but not by much. ive yet to jam my mosin. and i fired rusty steel cased ammo that was sitting in my muddy wet jeep for 6 months. so corroded you couldnt read the case stamps. a 98 could probably fair almost as well. but mosin is simpler and more reliable.
@yourredcomrade717 for your info retard i have shot real guns and i own both mausers and a nagant so do tell me i don't know i am talking about. my mosin jamed 4 times!!!!!! so don't insult me with your stupidity
@ethanreipold88 wow it jammed 4 times you know it jammed because your dumb ass does not know how to reload it properly the ONLY way a mosin nagant jams is if the rim bellow the top one is caught on it retarded the only reason the kar98k does not jam like that because there is no rim to get caught on
@ethanreipold88 and you can't single load a kar98k because the claw extractor won't fit around the rim you have to have a cartridge in the magazine to have the claw actually grab onto it unlike the mosin were it's push fed and you don't need to
@ethanreipold88 not with a control fed rifle the claw extractor it won't catch the rim when in the chamber like i said the only advantage to is is if you plan to use it for DG and not everyone is interested in that
@ethanreipold88 the one thing i like about the kar98k is there ALL good condition when buying mosin nagants sometimes look like trash and are trash sometimes
@ethanreipold88 tell you what tough guy. stand 100 yards away and take one of my 123 gr lps steel core 7.62x54r rounds to your fucking chest and tell me its a training gun. i would bet you would go down like a sack of potatos.
@ethanreipold88 and tha't just surplus ammunition that ruptures from the neck and just to let you know mosin nagants are 0.75 to 1.5 moa as well as the kar98ks the mosin nagant bolts are VERY smooth you probably are just just weak and light weight who gives a shit about light weight you're a pussy if you care the mosin nagant is better against beatings and weather hell most mosin nagants beat the shit out of a kar98 ANY day specifically eh hex receivers
@MrDip02 listen i have been shooting for close to 16 years i am no light weight or pussy.you fucking dumshit and the mosin is under powered with a 7.62x54r the mauser fires a 7.92x57mm(8mm) much bigger were the mosin is 180gr bullet the mauser fires a 196gr bullet so don't call me a pussy. and terms and reliability both guns are evenly matched. and all depends on the year of manufacture mausers were built with qulity, mosins before the yes but during the war no.
@ethanreipold88 oh no haha i said you're a pussy IF you care i never really directly said that you were and yeah they early mosins were so much better it's not that common to find a HIGHLY accurate 91/30 (i mean 1 moa to sub moa) most i have seen were around 2
@MrDip02 oh ok just saying the later mosins suck mine shoots 2ft off to the right. but you are right the early ones built 1930 to 1939 were really good but 1940s ones not so much, mine is 1942 issue i already had stock how badly beat it was. no offense man
@ethanreipold88 hahah yeah that's the one thing like with mine i think i just got lucky tghe bolt is amazingly smooth and i can get probably the maximum 0.75 but just take a hammer to the front sights slightly and knock it to the left you will have to do adjustments like that which get annoying but that will help but they did not really care about the mosins if they tried and did there best with the mosin o my god they would be AMAZING better than they are now but they were not really caring
@ethanreipold88 that's the one thing i hate about mosins you don't know how accurate it will be unless it's from a gun show if it's from a standard shop it's a mystery when you buy a kar98k you will know most likely what the condition is
@ethanreipold88 yeah same but at the time i got mine i never heard of it but since im going to the gun show in two weeks and i have almost 1k$ i can get some good stuff
@ethanreipold88 but hell at most you can just do work with it like i did with mine i just sanded down my bolt cleaned it and sanded down the stock and it helps
@ethanreipold88 mostly the bolt head to sand down make sure you clean it REALLY good after doing so because it seems after i did there were some shavings left and made it more of a gritty action but doing this might help it but ok cya
@MrDip02 the mosin i have is 1942 vintage the mosins you are talking about are Finnish made mosins which are very nice and cost more because they better built.
Rifle comparison????????? More like zeroing comparison. The 98 was a WAY better rifle any day like all German rifles. Why did the allies choose the 98 to take out Hitler in 1942 ... because it is more accurate and the scope is also way more reliable and of better quality.
@IrishMilitaryUN At what point did they take out Hitler...must have missed I guess considering he was still round for 3 more years...By the they...I used to own a Mosin sniper rifle...faultless optics
@wolfsige If you knew you Military history and I must say it is very basic WW2 history you would know that the plan was cancelled because Hitler was doing a grate job of destroying Germany e.g his economic plans , his shit strategic plans and putting too much man power in the '' Final solution '' . So the Allies left him alone. And you can compare the rifles if you only used one of them. I suggest you read a history book and have a go on the karabiner.
@IrishMilitaryUN hey tried to take him out with the 98k because they were disguised as german soldiers...derp. Don't you think it would be fishy if 2 german soldiers were carrying 303 enfields and Mosin nagants were walking around in germany?
@Regules010 I must inform you that at the time this guy was the target of four major powers in the world. The mission was classified as stealth. The British men who were carrying out the operation were yes wearing German gear but they were not going to walk in the door and kill him , they were doing it from a distance and they had one shot. And if the mission ever did happen it was touch and go they did not ''walk around Germany'' The best was picked to do the job at hand.
tho i can imagen in the close quarters stage of stalingrad when there were only 10o yards between germans and volga that zeroing in is required and important because if you test fire everybody knows were ya at
@bleushift What happens if the zero gets thrown off during battle ? Or he needs to zero for a further distance ? With the K98 you have to F around with a tool with bullets going over your head. The 91/30 you just turn the knobs a bit with your hand. Simple as that
The Mosin-Nagant bolt will not break, it just won't. But the tolerances in Russian guns are huge. Most are worth shit when it comes to accuracy, but best ones can be used as sniper rifles. The biggest problem for soviet snipers must have been the low quality of the ammo provided by the soviet industry. In general, the soviet warfare was based on the idea, that everything, even snipers, should be used in large amounts and everything was a disposable asset.
He would rely on a mosin? hmm ye the german rifle needs a tool to readjust but if the german snipers bolt needs to be replaced he get take any kar98k bolt and use it... if the mosin bolt breaks... well looks like your shit outta luck.
@TehChocco what the fuck are you talking about are you that stupid if you think the mosin nagant bolt breaks and so what it's not hard to replace pull trigerr take out and put in new one it's simple jesus christ the sniper rifle variants of the mosin nagant already are equipped with a bent bolt
I used a mosin nagant a few times I found it off of an insurgent and I took it and I went to an armory in iraq and got a scope on it and I was watching a patrol of u.s ranger's 2 month's later and the insurgent's opened fire and I took out 4 with it ,it is such an amazing rifle love it it work's as good as my m24 sniper rifle, that mosin nagant is one of my favorite russian rifles of all time .
they're both great guns, and a weapons accuracy can only be judged on the shooter... which in some cases is bullshit, but you know....what can you do /:
Strange arguments I would not like to be shot by either rifle as they both killed and even if the mosin was not so good it just shows how much better their snipers were to get kills with it !!??
but! the windage and elevation adjustment in the mosin nagant scope doesnt adjust the field of view so the cross hairs maybe be way off looking through the scope . thats why they have the screw windage adjustment on the 98k. so the cross hairs are always in the center of the scope.
@joker9494949494 you fail. you just said that the carbine 98 is best. the Karabiner 98 and K98k (kurz meaning short/carbine) is the same rifle. The one your thinking of is the GEW 98 (Gewehr 98) the longer one used in ww1
I don't see how the scope zeroing has anything to do with the effectiveness of the rifles themselves. I would argue that the Mauser is a better rifle in terms of build quality and accuracy. But, the m91/30 is still an excellent rifle.
@MrDip02 Exactly how am I retarded? No self respecting sniper would be zeroing his scope while in a combat situation. A sniper zeros his scope outside of a combat situation. Now if he is in a combat situation (his scope is already zeroed) he may have to correct for wind-age or account for bullet drop over long distance but that dose not require the sniper to re-zero the scope but simply aim slightly different. How am I retarded sir?
@1169Timothy yeah no it's only best in certain situations like you said they would not be zeroing it in combat situations but it's just best when you need to quickly it's there for you
@MrDip02 In a "combat scenario" in which you could even OBSERVE your misses enough to adjust your scope for it, you'd much sooner compensate with holdover than dick around with your rifle. The only reason the rifle took longer to zero in this video is because the shooter in the video is incompetent.
@goatmurray even if he did not have the skill that makes the russian scope to look even better if was shooting and only took him 3 shot that would mean a skilled man can do it in 1 or 2 nice job and that guy would of HAD to have skills to do the testing like there going to bring up some clueless man up there than never shot a gun
@goatmurray my grammar is just find just your swelled up head can't comprehend what i am saying and you simply are to retarded to understand actually sniping in any era apparently you think it's point and shoot
Your grammar is fine, huh? Well,check your capitalization, spelling, and punctuation. Also check to make sure that you are using the correct words when you mean to use them EX: to=/=too, find=/=fine. Syntax is poor, too.
I'm comprehending EVERY thing you type.
You're the one who hasnt used any rational argument- just because you say it's true doesnt mean it is. Quit watching movies and go buy a .22- you'll be amazed at what you'll learn with that. You might even thank me...
@goatmurray my grammar is fine enough for you to understand i have a ,338 win mag and a 7.62x54r mosin nagant you should get a gun i think the ,22 is a little big for you maybe you should try the 2mm pinfire revolver i think that's just enough for you to handle and it's sad you have to bring punctuation in an argument shows the fact that you know you can't say anything else and have to bring that into does not prove you're intelligence at all and just worry about it on youtube
@goatmurray you're just one of those jack assess that underestimate guns that are not as well built as well other because you don't step out of your little cave to understand the weapon systems of both.The mausers only advantage is the bolts system which is only more accurate and smoother action which is no reason to down on another rifle. although the mosin was very accurate and you have not fired i bet any gun so you won't understand
@MrDip02 My Polish M44 is my favorite gun I own right now. Of the thousands of dollars sitting in my safe right now, it's the closest one to the door. And it's plenty accurate if you get some good ammo for it - though practically impossible. I'd bet I've spent more money on reloading components for my Mosin than you have on any of your rifles.
I know what I'm talking about, and you won't hear me talk down about either of these rifles. All I'm saying is that this test is total bullshit.
@MrDip02 My Polish M44 is my favorite gun I own right now. Of the thousands of dollars sitting in my safe right now, it's the closest one to the door. And it's plenty accurate if you get some good ammo for it - though practically impossible. I'd bet I've spent more money on reloading components for my Mosin than you have on any of your rifles.
I know what I'm talking about, and you won't hear me talk down about either of these rifles. All I'm saying is that this test is total bullshit.
@goatmurray almost all the worlds greatest snipers use the 91/30 or any other mosin nagant variant i guess that makes it shit because it's not a smooth bolt mechanism even though the bolt is pretty smooth once you clean all the casmoline off and polish it it's very smooth just a little more tension when re cocking it as it a cock on open does not mean it can't be smooth and is still accurate after months of not cleaning as well with a heating barrel
@MrDip02 Don't believe anything the Russians say about their snipers. The Russians are notorious for inflating their kills in the interest of morale. Same goes for their tank and airplane effectiveness.
@goatmurray yes you adjust at home but you have to adjust for other scenarios but i hardly doubt you realize that because you have never laid your hands on a fucking rifle and the scope can loos it's adjustments if bumped oh but you wouldn't know and why would you not adjust a rifle that's been set to 100 yards when it's an 800 to 1000 yard shot oh because that's just to stupid because it's alot easier taking shot after shot trying to compensate bullet drop
@MrDip02 Do you really think the Russians were engaging past 500 yards with these rifles? They werent. Ballistics had not advanced to the point where snipers were adjusting their scopes for bullet drop in this era. Even if it had, the Russians surely werent fooling about with the adjustments after every shot.
@goatmurray i guess even marines in today's war are fucking stupid because they take there time adjusting the shots they miss or when the range exceeds i guess there not experienced and shoot just rapidly fire at them who cares for adjust it's just all about how many rounds you can get down range at your target and same applies to battles in Stalingrad vasilli was a fucking douche for adjusting his sights just someone needs to punch him in the face for how ignorant he is
@MrDip02 LOL I hope thats a joke? no real sniper is going to be using Kentucky windage - When your life is on the line you kill,kill,kill and if that meant having an easier sniper scope than thats that...
@MrDip02 In this age of clear, powerful, durable optics, and higher manufacturing standards, things are different than back in the day. To use your example, the marines have custom-built rifles with precise bedding jobs, excellent optics, the use of chronographs, ETC. and equipment that allows them to compensate accurately for bullet behavior at ranges out to 1200+ yards, and that's just with a .308. The Russians were living in a different world. Sniping is nothing like it used to be.
@goatmurray and besides spotters would not tell them to adjust there sights (example: one click left 2 clicks up) if it was completely useless and no need to do so i know now they use Kentucky windage more than actual adjustments but it's still very important to adjust your sights
They do that nowadays because we've got the equipment capable of that kind of precision.
If it was that big of a deal back then, then the Germans would have put a little knob on the scope instead of just putting a flat-head screwdriver slot.
@MrDip02 Listen I am not saying anything is wrong with the Mosin Nagant or Russian snipers. The Mosin Nagant is a brilliant rifle and Soviet Snipers of ww2 were and are legendary.
@1169Timothy haha besides the reason im so "hostile" because im so use to talking to 10 year COD kids that think EVERY gun in COD is that of real life
Though both scopes were sealed, steel scopes...the quality of the Zeiss scope was superior due to the optic design. The side-mount style scopes are harder to mount perfectly aligned, and otherwise will cause the rifle to only zero at one range. The PU scope also was simple so to zero meant having it skewed to one side or the other which obscures field of view.
With that being said; Mosin rifles are extremely underrated and underestimated by far...they can shoot very well.
@IcabodCrane That doesn't realy obscure the view for me,I mean every U.S. hunting scope back in that time zeroed the same way,just the better way in technology. Andthe PU scopes were always perfectly alligned - the mounts were scope base was drilled in the rifle to be sure of this. They took special care,they even scratched a line connecting the scope the the mount so that would never get misalligned either. believe me - back then a Soviet worker wouldnt wanna make a mistake :)
It does whether or not it's significant to your use/specifications. The fact is that one side of the scope has more field of view to the side of the crosshairs than the other which isn't an optimal arrangement. As for the PU scopes being perfectly aligned I'm figuring most were dead on, PU Tula snipers were all hand-picked gems whereas the average Mauser sniper was little more than a standard infantry gun. Fact: Russians used Zeiss scopes then switched to PU due to price.
@IcabodCrane hmmm it's not a problem on the U.S. 1903A4 though from my experience,the m73b1 scope with those wire thin crosshairs still allows an excellent field of view no matter what position the crosshairs are in. in my opinion the 1903A4 is better than both the PU/k98 sniper rifles - I find the low powered scope easier to hold on target and the crosshair reticle is much easier to line on target than those 3 posts. plus the m73b1 scope is focus adjustable. just more comfortable rifle to shoot
I'd have to disagree with the 1903 being the best overall, at least in terms of potential beyond their stock unit. Granted it had a long service record...but one of the problems in terms of comparing it is which variant you would use from 1903 to the early 70's, and Germans did put captured scopes on K98's, which had the best BC slug of the time. Now when it comes to which makes the best rifle to modify into a perfect rifle, I'd have to go with the Mauser hands down.
And if you're wondering...I actually own a Chinese Type 53, which is a clone of the M44 after Russia came out with the SKS and decided selling some tooling to the Chinese. Some consider these hit-or-miss rifles which is true because some used Soviet spare parts (like mine), but the quality control was higher because they weren't wartime guns. Mosins get a bad rap simply because the wartime infantry guns were cranked out fast with low inspection standards for volume.
@goatmurray you're still retarded and clueless in Stalingrad there was not alot of open space and if you fire and miss your target in more urban areas there not going to be able to pick up where the shooter is you don't want your enemy to know where you are which is more likely the enemy will find out where you are 2 shots are 4 shots hmmm in your case 4 shots is best to be kept hidin i guess 4 in your case
What do you know about he matter? How old are you?
Get this through your head, you ignorant little snob. With rifles like that, you sight it in at home, and you leave the adjustments alone in battle. By the time any soviet sniper's boots even get muddy, their rifle is sighted in, and this whole process you see in the video is long done, maybe never to be done again. After this, it's just point-and-shoot.
@goatmurray Doesn't matte rin the past or now, if a sniper takes a longer time to zero his rifle using a stupid tool while facing another sniper or just a normal infantry, your life is in danger cause hand twist saved roughly 1/3 of a sec rather than searching for tools and screw the scopes till it zeroed and may i ask? In the dark, no matter what sniper you used and you needed to zero you scope and you can't even see you god damn hands, would you rather use a hand twisted or tool zeroed scope?
In that era, you zeroed a scope at the range, and left it alone. From the range, you took it out to war and compensated by holdover IF NECESSARY- sniping in those days was done at considerably closer ranges and fooling with knobs was unnecessary. Both rifles would have been zeroed at a range, then left alone.
Ability to zero a rifle in combat is completely irrelevant because you wouldnt have time to zero it properly, no matter how easy it was. You'd just compensate by holdover.
this is irrelevant to combat you don't zero while fighting you zero before you go to battle. Also all of the Russian snipers were over glorified by the press to cover up the soviet unions horrible losses. Germany lost 3 million troops on all fronts fighting dozens of other country's, Russia on the other hand lost 12 million soldiers just fighting the Germans.
i dont believe the mosin nagant is designed for peasants its a very accurate rifle by itself not including all the gunsmith did to it during the transformation into a PU sniper they didnt just slap a scope on theyre they adujsted the trigger to allow a smoother trigger pull , they accuracy proof the rifle as you can see on the reciever countless other things
I think the reason that Soviet snipers were so successful was because there were so many of them (men and women alike). The Soviets knew they couldnt stand toe to toe with the Germans so sniping was their only real option. When the Germans invaded Stalingrad they did not know the city like the soldiers and civilians which gave the Soviets a major advantage.
@Jawohl87 Russians showed "how they couldnt stand against germans" by running them all the way to berlin and destorying germany on foot. So to be accurate Soviets were cought offguard when the germans attacked Soviet union due to paranoid lunatic stalin who was not preparing for war thinking that hitler would not attacked. Plus just before the war staling executed 12000 officers from the soviet military which made them headless for couple of years until new officers came thru ranks.
@hunterziegelmann No, but unless every enemy they shoot at is in calm conditions and exactly 200m away, they will have to adjust for windage and elevation in the field. It is simpler on the PU. However, this is canceled out when you consider germany's training. I dont think either is better or worse, each played a critical role and was catered to the styles and needs of each countries military.
I've got a 1937 Tula Mosin Nagant 91/30. It's beat to hell with gouges all over the frame, scrapes and scratches on the receiver and butt-plate; very much a rifle that saw alot of action, but the action of the trigger and bolt is smooth, never jams, and the bullet goes exactly where I want. K98's are surely one of the most influential and proven rifles of all time, but my Mosin was designed to be reliable, simple, and crude enough to crack a few skulls with it's buttplate. I need nothing more.
@metisman100 That's a completely stupid statement. Being a 'Nazi' gun doesn't make it worse. Go and fire a K98K and then comment, they are fantastic, accurate, reliable and an extremely well thought out design and very safe to shoot. Go and play a video game.
@TaZ101SAGA im no saying there not good and i have shot one i just would not ever own one because its a nazie gun ok it just does not sit right with me thats all
@metisman100 Well that's fine. But don't call it a 'Nazi gun' and state that it's inferior because of a political ideology. That's the stupidest way you could criticize a firearm. Forget about who used the firearm and base the comparison purely on all aspects of the rifles performance. Saying it's inferior because it was used by Nazi's is extremely stupid, and you're stupid to even say something like that.
The relevance in the zeroing itself was to show that it's simpler to zero the Mosin compared to the Zeiss but I do get what you mean. A: Kentucky windage, though less precise, is a lot quicker. B: If your rifle hasn't been scoped in during a major war, you're retarded. C: If you have to redial every time you shoot it...something is wrong with the system. Mosins are capable of around MOA with handloads and a little tweaking...but a Mauser will give you FAR more for less work ultimately.
@051883313737 well maybe for "perfetional share shooters" but for Professional sharp shooters or even beginner snipers like most Russian "peasants" where the Mosin Nagant was an accurate rifle designed to be idiot proof; and proved its worth on the battlefield.
@TRiiPLEAAAGAMERS but the mosin nagant is by far more durable and reliable the action of the bolt does not determine a gun it's the accuracy and durability and it's ALOT easier to take apart than the kar98k for easy repair (i think)
@hunterziegelmann because, unlike what you think, being a sniper is a lot about the enemy not knowing where you are. in fact it's at least 95% of being a sniper. as such it's crucial that, when you shoot, the target is dead.
but even when you miss, in an urban environment it's very unlikely they'll immediatly know where you are and start suppressive fire.
as such it wouldn't be hard(with a mosin-nagant anyway) to quickly adjust your scope, kill him, and retreat
@SashaVedernikov sorry if I came off quite jumpy last time, I do prefer the method vassilli used only eliminating important targets, but I like the.fact simo was just fighting to protect his family.
@hunterziegelmann so you're saying if you shoot 1 inch above the nazis head and it hits the german 5 feet to the left you wouldnt have the knowledge as a great sniper to sight you're gun
Simo Hayha makes Vasily look like shit, he sniped with iron sights, and had more than double the confirmed kills. THey were both good, but Simo is the definition of sniper.
@motlencore89 If Zaitsev wanted to he could have killed well over 700 Nazis in Stalingrad,However he only shot high priority targets such as Officers,Liason Officers,Corporals,Sergeants,MG Crews,Mortar Crews,enemy snipers-All this caused severe heavy damage to the German,As Zaitsev said "There were a lot of German infantry walking around alive due to our precise methods".
@SashaVedernikov i honestly thinks the fact the simo chose to do what he did to protect and using no optics in -40 degrees that's impressive and for the fact what he went through airstrikes counter snipers he didn't give up to protect his land
@mrnizzi I find that a bit hard to believe,2 U.S. Marines snipers from American Rifleman magazine recently tested all sniper rifles from WWII to see whats the best,mauser and mosin included. mosin 91/30 PU beat all rifles by a mile - they concluded that the mosin PU is the only sniper rifle from WWII that is up to par with todays standards in war
@SashaVedernikov the rifle isn't what changes the battle, its the person using it. He is right, the mauser is a great gun, a little better than the mosin nagant because of the mosin nagantsw strait bolt handel
@arm1207 were talking about sniper rifles here,Mosin Nagants were hand selected/test fired and only the super accurate models were used to build the sniper version which used a "Bent" bolt. They were more accurate than the scoped k98,they used better scopes than the k98,more reliable than the k98. Overall the m91/30 PU beats the scoped k98 by a mile
"Are you for real? any rifle that needs a tool to set the firing pin depth when you pull the bolt apart is badly designed. Mosin's use a rimmed case and the firearm is a rear locking action as well, making the rifle action weaker that the k98 and jam if you load it wrong. Mosin-nagnat bayonets are useless for any thing apart from toasting marshmallows. as far as scopes go the PE and PU did have windage adjustment on the scope and not the mount, so russian scope were better
@icbmmirv OK. The mosin was one of the toughest rifles available. Russian infantryman could put damaged rounds through the rifle, and it would keep on firing. Even German snipers would pick them up for their reliability under tough and dirty combat conditions. The Kar98, on the other hand, was an excellent rifle, but wasn't built like the Mosin. It was faster firing due to the location of the bolt. And when it comes to the scopes, the PU was excellent for the close and rough shooting.
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ethanreipold88 6 days ago
who the hell flagged this video?
CharleyVCU1988 2 weeks ago
@CharleyVCU1988 One word "Nazis"
ToolHead1999 1 week ago
im sorry but german rifles are precision machines the reason that the soviets won was because of lower quality rifles mean lower maintanace but the k98 is far superior
kilroywuzhere1 3 weeks ago
@kilroywuzhere1 mosins before 1940 are also precision. and k98s arent some super gun. they shoot about the same with surplus ammo. however the mosin wins in simplicity and its lighter.
i shear empty bullet casings at 50 yards for fun with my 1936 m91/30. dont give me that shit about russians make crap. yes later mosins were not so good but were still accurate. and russian uniforms are cheaper, yet better designed and more durable than german or u.s.
yourredcomrade717 1 week ago
@yourredcomrade717 if helps you sleep at night go head and think that. But threatening people is wrong and stupid, don't threaten people.
ethanreipold88 5 days ago
The scope is better on the Mosin then the scope on the Mauser the rifle on the other hand is shit the Mosin is not a good quality rifle compared to the Mauser, the Mauser is far lighter and faster to reload and the bolt is fantastic, the mosin is shit has to much spring tension and is a bitch when it jams. or when the shell casing breaks in half in the chamber. and unless you have the tool to fix it your screwed.
ethanreipold88 4 weeks ago
@ethanreipold88 odviously you never shoot real guns. the scope on the mauser requires tools and is a pain to work with. both reload equally quick. the bolt on the k98 is faster but not by much. ive yet to jam my mosin. and i fired rusty steel cased ammo that was sitting in my muddy wet jeep for 6 months. so corroded you couldnt read the case stamps. a 98 could probably fair almost as well. but mosin is simpler and more reliable.
yourredcomrade717 1 week ago
@yourredcomrade717 for your info retard i have shot real guns and i own both mausers and a nagant so do tell me i don't know i am talking about. my mosin jamed 4 times!!!!!! so don't insult me with your stupidity
ethanreipold88 1 week ago
@ethanreipold88 wow it jammed 4 times you know it jammed because your dumb ass does not know how to reload it properly the ONLY way a mosin nagant jams is if the rim bellow the top one is caught on it retarded the only reason the kar98k does not jam like that because there is no rim to get caught on
MrDip02 1 week ago
@yourredcomrade717 and for your info the russians stole the scope design for the japanese before the war when they were buying things from them .
ethanreipold88 1 week ago
@ethanreipold88 and you can't single load a kar98k because the claw extractor won't fit around the rim you have to have a cartridge in the magazine to have the claw actually grab onto it unlike the mosin were it's push fed and you don't need to
MrDip02 1 week ago
@MrDip02 yes you can the Mauser is a manual feed meaning you round in the chamber and fire the weapon both and if not all bolt actions can do this.
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 not with a control fed rifle the claw extractor it won't catch the rim when in the chamber like i said the only advantage to is is if you plan to use it for DG and not everyone is interested in that
MrDip02 6 days ago
@MrDip02 yes just did it the other day and hit the target. loaded a round right in the chamber and fired it.
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 the one thing i like about the kar98k is there ALL good condition when buying mosin nagants sometimes look like trash and are trash sometimes
MrDip02 1 week ago
@yourredcomrade717 i do shot real guns and i know the mosin not a mans gun its a fucking training gun.
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 tell you what tough guy. stand 100 yards away and take one of my 123 gr lps steel core 7.62x54r rounds to your fucking chest and tell me its a training gun. i would bet you would go down like a sack of potatos.
yourredcomrade717 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 and tha't just surplus ammunition that ruptures from the neck and just to let you know mosin nagants are 0.75 to 1.5 moa as well as the kar98ks the mosin nagant bolts are VERY smooth you probably are just just weak and light weight who gives a shit about light weight you're a pussy if you care the mosin nagant is better against beatings and weather hell most mosin nagants beat the shit out of a kar98 ANY day specifically eh hex receivers
MrDip02 1 week ago
@MrDip02 listen i have been shooting for close to 16 years i am no light weight or pussy.you fucking dumshit and the mosin is under powered with a 7.62x54r the mauser fires a 7.92x57mm(8mm) much bigger were the mosin is 180gr bullet the mauser fires a 196gr bullet so don't call me a pussy. and terms and reliability both guns are evenly matched. and all depends on the year of manufacture mausers were built with qulity, mosins before the yes but during the war no.
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 wait what im confused (the pussy part)
MrDip02 6 days ago
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ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@MrDip02 you called me a pussy should i high lite it for you
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 oh no haha i said you're a pussy IF you care i never really directly said that you were and yeah they early mosins were so much better it's not that common to find a HIGHLY accurate 91/30 (i mean 1 moa to sub moa) most i have seen were around 2
MrDip02 6 days ago
@MrDip02 oh ok just saying the later mosins suck mine shoots 2ft off to the right. but you are right the early ones built 1930 to 1939 were really good but 1940s ones not so much, mine is 1942 issue i already had stock how badly beat it was. no offense man
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 hahah yeah that's the one thing like with mine i think i just got lucky tghe bolt is amazingly smooth and i can get probably the maximum 0.75 but just take a hammer to the front sights slightly and knock it to the left you will have to do adjustments like that which get annoying but that will help but they did not really care about the mosins if they tried and did there best with the mosin o my god they would be AMAZING better than they are now but they were not really caring
MrDip02 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 that's the one thing i hate about mosins you don't know how accurate it will be unless it's from a gun show if it's from a standard shop it's a mystery when you buy a kar98k you will know most likely what the condition is
MrDip02 6 days ago
@MrDip02 yeah i should have asked what year my mosin was before i bought it $100 for mine, probably could have got a better one at better price
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 yeah same but at the time i got mine i never heard of it but since im going to the gun show in two weeks and i have almost 1k$ i can get some good stuff
MrDip02 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 but hell at most you can just do work with it like i did with mine i just sanded down my bolt cleaned it and sanded down the stock and it helps
MrDip02 6 days ago
@MrDip02 alright i will give it a try and see what happens thanks for the tip. Have a nice evening got to go for right now, talk to later
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 mostly the bolt head to sand down make sure you clean it REALLY good after doing so because it seems after i did there were some shavings left and made it more of a gritty action but doing this might help it but ok cya
MrDip02 6 days ago
@MrDip02 the mosin i have is 1942 vintage the mosins you are talking about are Finnish made mosins which are very nice and cost more because they better built.
ethanreipold88 6 days ago
@ethanreipold88 just to let you know remington also made mosin nagants
MrDip02 1 week ago
@ethanreipold88 i think the kar98k would just be little better for me since it's more comfortable for me but really i could care less
MrDip02 1 week ago
Rifle comparison????????? More like zeroing comparison. The 98 was a WAY better rifle any day like all German rifles. Why did the allies choose the 98 to take out Hitler in 1942 ... because it is more accurate and the scope is also way more reliable and of better quality.
IrishMilitaryUN 1 month ago
@IrishMilitaryUN At what point did they take out Hitler...must have missed I guess considering he was still round for 3 more years...By the they...I used to own a Mosin sniper rifle...faultless optics
wolfsige 1 month ago
@wolfsige By the way i meant..oops
wolfsige 1 month ago
@wolfsige If you knew you Military history and I must say it is very basic WW2 history you would know that the plan was cancelled because Hitler was doing a grate job of destroying Germany e.g his economic plans , his shit strategic plans and putting too much man power in the '' Final solution '' . So the Allies left him alone. And you can compare the rifles if you only used one of them. I suggest you read a history book and have a go on the karabiner.
IrishMilitaryUN 1 month ago
@IrishMilitaryUN hey tried to take him out with the 98k because they were disguised as german soldiers...derp. Don't you think it would be fishy if 2 german soldiers were carrying 303 enfields and Mosin nagants were walking around in germany?
Regules010 3 weeks ago
@Regules010 I must inform you that at the time this guy was the target of four major powers in the world. The mission was classified as stealth. The British men who were carrying out the operation were yes wearing German gear but they were not going to walk in the door and kill him , they were doing it from a distance and they had one shot. And if the mission ever did happen it was touch and go they did not ''walk around Germany'' The best was picked to do the job at hand.
IrishMilitaryUN 3 weeks ago
who the fuck flaged this
ligas95 1 month ago
tho i can imagen in the close quarters stage of stalingrad when there were only 10o yards between germans and volga that zeroing in is required and important because if you test fire everybody knows were ya at
bleushift 1 month ago
tho a ncie demonstration of ww2 sniperrifles it is absolute shit. a sniper always pretest and testfire and zero in his rifle BEFORE going into combat
bleushift 1 month ago
@bleushift What happens if the zero gets thrown off during battle ? Or he needs to zero for a further distance ? With the K98 you have to F around with a tool with bullets going over your head. The 91/30 you just turn the knobs a bit with your hand. Simple as that
TigertailzBezerk 1 month ago
@TigertailzBezerk yeah your right and i agree on that thanks for the input
bleushift 1 month ago
@bleushift Thanks, I still love the K98 though, I used to own one (standard version) and loved the heck out of it :D
TigertailzBezerk 1 month ago
The Mosin-Nagant bolt will not break, it just won't. But the tolerances in Russian guns are huge. Most are worth shit when it comes to accuracy, but best ones can be used as sniper rifles. The biggest problem for soviet snipers must have been the low quality of the ammo provided by the soviet industry. In general, the soviet warfare was based on the idea, that everything, even snipers, should be used in large amounts and everything was a disposable asset.
EetwarttiRommipullo 1 month ago
He would rely on a mosin? hmm ye the german rifle needs a tool to readjust but if the german snipers bolt needs to be replaced he get take any kar98k bolt and use it... if the mosin bolt breaks... well looks like your shit outta luck.
TehChocco 1 month ago
@TehChocco what the fuck are you talking about are you that stupid if you think the mosin nagant bolt breaks and so what it's not hard to replace pull trigerr take out and put in new one it's simple jesus christ the sniper rifle variants of the mosin nagant already are equipped with a bent bolt
MrDip02 3 days ago
yeah thats a real acurate commparrison shooting offhand
bowman9427 1 month ago
I used a mosin nagant a few times I found it off of an insurgent and I took it and I went to an armory in iraq and got a scope on it and I was watching a patrol of u.s ranger's 2 month's later and the insurgent's opened fire and I took out 4 with it ,it is such an amazing rifle love it it work's as good as my m24 sniper rifle, that mosin nagant is one of my favorite russian rifles of all time .
TheHEROESdontRUN 1 month ago
they're both great guns, and a weapons accuracy can only be judged on the shooter... which in some cases is bullshit, but you know....what can you do /:
BASSPLAYAAA 1 month ago
I would think the German optics are superior. The Soviet scope's reticule moves around inside the side picture unlike modern rifle scopes.
taterfarmer12 1 month ago
Strange arguments I would not like to be shot by either rifle as they both killed and even if the mosin was not so good it just shows how much better their snipers were to get kills with it !!??
xjboy550 2 months ago
Without scopes = The Mauser is better :-)
TaZ101SAGA 2 months ago
but! the windage and elevation adjustment in the mosin nagant scope doesnt adjust the field of view so the cross hairs maybe be way off looking through the scope . thats why they have the screw windage adjustment on the 98k. so the cross hairs are always in the center of the scope.
agabla 2 months ago
karbiner 98 the best :) 98k's just shorter
joker9494949494 2 months ago 2
@joker9494949494 you fail. you just said that the carbine 98 is best. the Karabiner 98 and K98k (kurz meaning short/carbine) is the same rifle. The one your thinking of is the GEW 98 (Gewehr 98) the longer one used in ww1
nick21sammy 1 month ago
@nick21sammy I know its Gewehr 98, i know kurtz, im german. i misplaced it.
joker9494949494 1 month ago
I don't see how the scope zeroing has anything to do with the effectiveness of the rifles themselves. I would argue that the Mauser is a better rifle in terms of build quality and accuracy. But, the m91/30 is still an excellent rifle.
Kommandant45 2 months ago
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odin5150 2 months ago
@odin5150 If you beg to differ,I can show you over 2 dozen photos of German snipers using this same scope on their k98's in 1941-1945
SashaVedernikov 2 months ago
@odin5150 You are completely incorrect on every level.
HatrXx78 2 months ago
Mosin - is th best.
In our times is one of the best sniper rifles) I have one and never forget 41-45
vetermgla 2 months ago
this is pretty stupid, in the hands of a trained soldier zeroing in is not even an issue. This doesn't show which is better.
agumon12 3 months ago
@SashaVedernikov Mosin <3 all day i have both and im going to sell my k98 just due to the
fact im in love with the mosin and want to buy a crate of them
MrPapapineapple 3 months ago
You Zero a rifle's scope before the battle. So this comparison is irrelevant.
1169Timothy 3 months ago
@1169Timothy you're retarded
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 Exactly how am I retarded? No self respecting sniper would be zeroing his scope while in a combat situation. A sniper zeros his scope outside of a combat situation. Now if he is in a combat situation (his scope is already zeroed) he may have to correct for wind-age or account for bullet drop over long distance but that dose not require the sniper to re-zero the scope but simply aim slightly different. How am I retarded sir?
1169Timothy 1 month ago
@1169Timothy yeah no it's only best in certain situations like you said they would not be zeroing it in combat situations but it's just best when you need to quickly it's there for you
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 In a "combat scenario" in which you could even OBSERVE your misses enough to adjust your scope for it, you'd much sooner compensate with holdover than dick around with your rifle. The only reason the rifle took longer to zero in this video is because the shooter in the video is incompetent.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray even if he did not have the skill that makes the russian scope to look even better if was shooting and only took him 3 shot that would mean a skilled man can do it in 1 or 2 nice job and that guy would of HAD to have skills to do the testing like there going to bring up some clueless man up there than never shot a gun
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
Your grammar is too poor for me to understand what you're saying.
Go talk to someone who spends a bit of time around firearms and see what they have to say. Any thinking human being should grasp the idea.
Neither of these rifle systems is better due to anything revealed in this test. That's the truth.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray my grammar is just find just your swelled up head can't comprehend what i am saying and you simply are to retarded to understand actually sniping in any era apparently you think it's point and shoot
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
Your grammar is fine, huh? Well,check your capitalization, spelling, and punctuation. Also check to make sure that you are using the correct words when you mean to use them EX: to=/=too, find=/=fine. Syntax is poor, too.
I'm comprehending EVERY thing you type.
You're the one who hasnt used any rational argument- just because you say it's true doesnt mean it is. Quit watching movies and go buy a .22- you'll be amazed at what you'll learn with that. You might even thank me...
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray my grammar is fine enough for you to understand i have a ,338 win mag and a 7.62x54r mosin nagant you should get a gun i think the ,22 is a little big for you maybe you should try the 2mm pinfire revolver i think that's just enough for you to handle and it's sad you have to bring punctuation in an argument shows the fact that you know you can't say anything else and have to bring that into does not prove you're intelligence at all and just worry about it on youtube
MrDip02 1 month ago
@goatmurray you're just one of those jack assess that underestimate guns that are not as well built as well other because you don't step out of your little cave to understand the weapon systems of both.The mausers only advantage is the bolts system which is only more accurate and smoother action which is no reason to down on another rifle. although the mosin was very accurate and you have not fired i bet any gun so you won't understand
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 My Polish M44 is my favorite gun I own right now. Of the thousands of dollars sitting in my safe right now, it's the closest one to the door. And it's plenty accurate if you get some good ammo for it - though practically impossible. I'd bet I've spent more money on reloading components for my Mosin than you have on any of your rifles.
I know what I'm talking about, and you won't hear me talk down about either of these rifles. All I'm saying is that this test is total bullshit.
goatmurray 1 month ago
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@MrDip02 My Polish M44 is my favorite gun I own right now. Of the thousands of dollars sitting in my safe right now, it's the closest one to the door. And it's plenty accurate if you get some good ammo for it - though practically impossible. I'd bet I've spent more money on reloading components for my Mosin than you have on any of your rifles.
I know what I'm talking about, and you won't hear me talk down about either of these rifles. All I'm saying is that this test is total bullshit.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray almost all the worlds greatest snipers use the 91/30 or any other mosin nagant variant i guess that makes it shit because it's not a smooth bolt mechanism even though the bolt is pretty smooth once you clean all the casmoline off and polish it it's very smooth just a little more tension when re cocking it as it a cock on open does not mean it can't be smooth and is still accurate after months of not cleaning as well with a heating barrel
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 Don't believe anything the Russians say about their snipers. The Russians are notorious for inflating their kills in the interest of morale. Same goes for their tank and airplane effectiveness.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray yes you adjust at home but you have to adjust for other scenarios but i hardly doubt you realize that because you have never laid your hands on a fucking rifle and the scope can loos it's adjustments if bumped oh but you wouldn't know and why would you not adjust a rifle that's been set to 100 yards when it's an 800 to 1000 yard shot oh because that's just to stupid because it's alot easier taking shot after shot trying to compensate bullet drop
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 Do you really think the Russians were engaging past 500 yards with these rifles? They werent. Ballistics had not advanced to the point where snipers were adjusting their scopes for bullet drop in this era. Even if it had, the Russians surely werent fooling about with the adjustments after every shot.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray i guess even marines in today's war are fucking stupid because they take there time adjusting the shots they miss or when the range exceeds i guess there not experienced and shoot just rapidly fire at them who cares for adjust it's just all about how many rounds you can get down range at your target and same applies to battles in Stalingrad vasilli was a fucking douche for adjusting his sights just someone needs to punch him in the face for how ignorant he is
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 LOL I hope thats a joke? no real sniper is going to be using Kentucky windage - When your life is on the line you kill,kill,kill and if that meant having an easier sniper scope than thats that...
SashaVedernikov 1 month ago
@SashaVedernikov my god it's like like talking to a bunch of fucking retards what the fuck is this
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 In this age of clear, powerful, durable optics, and higher manufacturing standards, things are different than back in the day. To use your example, the marines have custom-built rifles with precise bedding jobs, excellent optics, the use of chronographs, ETC. and equipment that allows them to compensate accurately for bullet behavior at ranges out to 1200+ yards, and that's just with a .308. The Russians were living in a different world. Sniping is nothing like it used to be.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray why would scope be adjusted to sights out of range in which that caliber can't reach (i know it can be it's very rare)
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
It'll easily reach to 1000 yards. It's extremely popular in 1000-yard F-class competition.
It just doesnt reach that far often. An extra 400 yards isnt unfathomable, it just lacks energy at that range.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray and besides spotters would not tell them to adjust there sights (example: one click left 2 clicks up) if it was completely useless and no need to do so i know now they use Kentucky windage more than actual adjustments but it's still very important to adjust your sights
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
Back them they wouldnt, no.
They do that nowadays because we've got the equipment capable of that kind of precision.
If it was that big of a deal back then, then the Germans would have put a little knob on the scope instead of just putting a flat-head screwdriver slot.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray like i said it's still important i am starting to get what you mean a lot more than before but there are times when it can be use full
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 Listen I am not saying anything is wrong with the Mosin Nagant or Russian snipers. The Mosin Nagant is a brilliant rifle and Soviet Snipers of ww2 were and are legendary.
1169Timothy 1 month ago
@1169Timothy haha besides the reason im so "hostile" because im so use to talking to 10 year COD kids that think EVERY gun in COD is that of real life
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 Oh I get it now. I'm with you there bro, cod kids are very stupid.
1169Timothy 1 month ago
@1169Timothy haha yeah and you can NEVER find a gun video without some kid bringing up cod
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 fo sho
1169Timothy 1 month ago
Thanks!! I went with the Mosin ! thanks again!
spiritartman 3 months ago
Anyone know if the Mauser remodified in .308 would be accurate enough as
a Deer Gun. Hate to buy a "New" rifle they are too "Sport" LOL. Or is the Mosin a better way to go?
spiritartman 3 months ago
@spiritartman
Both the 8mm Mauser and the 7.62x54 calibers are dead accurate and hit hard. should both do fine for deer hunting.
deki740 3 months ago
@spiritartman Plenty accurate. My buddy has countless AR's and other top-shelf rifles, but still prefers to hunt with his Swedish 6.5mm Mauser.
It's a great choice.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@SashaVedernikov
Though both scopes were sealed, steel scopes...the quality of the Zeiss scope was superior due to the optic design. The side-mount style scopes are harder to mount perfectly aligned, and otherwise will cause the rifle to only zero at one range. The PU scope also was simple so to zero meant having it skewed to one side or the other which obscures field of view.
With that being said; Mosin rifles are extremely underrated and underestimated by far...they can shoot very well.
IcabodCrane 3 months ago
@IcabodCrane That doesn't realy obscure the view for me,I mean every U.S. hunting scope back in that time zeroed the same way,just the better way in technology. Andthe PU scopes were always perfectly alligned - the mounts were scope base was drilled in the rifle to be sure of this. They took special care,they even scratched a line connecting the scope the the mount so that would never get misalligned either. believe me - back then a Soviet worker wouldnt wanna make a mistake :)
SashaVedernikov 3 months ago
@SashaVedernikov
It does whether or not it's significant to your use/specifications. The fact is that one side of the scope has more field of view to the side of the crosshairs than the other which isn't an optimal arrangement. As for the PU scopes being perfectly aligned I'm figuring most were dead on, PU Tula snipers were all hand-picked gems whereas the average Mauser sniper was little more than a standard infantry gun. Fact: Russians used Zeiss scopes then switched to PU due to price.
IcabodCrane 3 months ago
@IcabodCrane hmmm it's not a problem on the U.S. 1903A4 though from my experience,the m73b1 scope with those wire thin crosshairs still allows an excellent field of view no matter what position the crosshairs are in. in my opinion the 1903A4 is better than both the PU/k98 sniper rifles - I find the low powered scope easier to hold on target and the crosshair reticle is much easier to line on target than those 3 posts. plus the m73b1 scope is focus adjustable. just more comfortable rifle to shoot
SashaVedernikov 3 months ago
@SashaVedernikov
I'd have to disagree with the 1903 being the best overall, at least in terms of potential beyond their stock unit. Granted it had a long service record...but one of the problems in terms of comparing it is which variant you would use from 1903 to the early 70's, and Germans did put captured scopes on K98's, which had the best BC slug of the time. Now when it comes to which makes the best rifle to modify into a perfect rifle, I'd have to go with the Mauser hands down.
IcabodCrane 3 months ago
@SashaVedernikov
And if you're wondering...I actually own a Chinese Type 53, which is a clone of the M44 after Russia came out with the SKS and decided selling some tooling to the Chinese. Some consider these hit-or-miss rifles which is true because some used Soviet spare parts (like mine), but the quality control was higher because they weren't wartime guns. Mosins get a bad rap simply because the wartime infantry guns were cranked out fast with low inspection standards for volume.
IcabodCrane 3 months ago
Ease of zeroing a scope is irrelevant to effectiveness of a sniper in that era.
Especially to say that the Mosin is better because this one guy zeroed it in 3 shots, and the Mauser in 5 is ridiculous.
Stuff like this makes me hate the History channel.
goatmurray 3 months ago
@goatmurray you're absolutely retarded
MrDip02 3 months ago
@MrDip02
Make your case, and we'll see.
goatmurray 3 months ago
@goatmurray you're still retarded and clueless in Stalingrad there was not alot of open space and if you fire and miss your target in more urban areas there not going to be able to pick up where the shooter is you don't want your enemy to know where you are which is more likely the enemy will find out where you are 2 shots are 4 shots hmmm in your case 4 shots is best to be kept hidin i guess 4 in your case
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
What do you know about he matter? How old are you?
Get this through your head, you ignorant little snob. With rifles like that, you sight it in at home, and you leave the adjustments alone in battle. By the time any soviet sniper's boots even get muddy, their rifle is sighted in, and this whole process you see in the video is long done, maybe never to be done again. After this, it's just point-and-shoot.
goatmurray 1 month ago
@goatmurray Doesn't matte rin the past or now, if a sniper takes a longer time to zero his rifle using a stupid tool while facing another sniper or just a normal infantry, your life is in danger cause hand twist saved roughly 1/3 of a sec rather than searching for tools and screw the scopes till it zeroed and may i ask? In the dark, no matter what sniper you used and you needed to zero you scope and you can't even see you god damn hands, would you rather use a hand twisted or tool zeroed scope?
MrLolx2u 3 months ago
@MrLolx2u
In that era, you zeroed a scope at the range, and left it alone. From the range, you took it out to war and compensated by holdover IF NECESSARY- sniping in those days was done at considerably closer ranges and fooling with knobs was unnecessary. Both rifles would have been zeroed at a range, then left alone.
Ability to zero a rifle in combat is completely irrelevant because you wouldnt have time to zero it properly, no matter how easy it was. You'd just compensate by holdover.
goatmurray 3 months ago
@MrLolx2u Besides, if it was too dark to see your hand, you have no business 'zeroing' your rifle, let alone shooting anything.
goatmurray 3 months ago
this is irrelevant to combat you don't zero while fighting you zero before you go to battle. Also all of the Russian snipers were over glorified by the press to cover up the soviet unions horrible losses. Germany lost 3 million troops on all fronts fighting dozens of other country's, Russia on the other hand lost 12 million soldiers just fighting the Germans.
remrat0 4 months ago
The germans actually looted PU-Scopes off of fallen Red Army snipers and mounted them on the K98.
enok90 4 months ago
That's just the scope design I was hoping for a comparison between the actuall bolt actions.
bobocan17 4 months ago
i dont believe the mosin nagant is designed for peasants its a very accurate rifle by itself not including all the gunsmith did to it during the transformation into a PU sniper they didnt just slap a scope on theyre they adujsted the trigger to allow a smoother trigger pull , they accuracy proof the rifle as you can see on the reciever countless other things
VonLutcken 4 months ago
I think the reason that Soviet snipers were so successful was because there were so many of them (men and women alike). The Soviets knew they couldnt stand toe to toe with the Germans so sniping was their only real option. When the Germans invaded Stalingrad they did not know the city like the soldiers and civilians which gave the Soviets a major advantage.
Jawohl87 4 months ago 6
@Jawohl87 Russians showed "how they couldnt stand against germans" by running them all the way to berlin and destorying germany on foot. So to be accurate Soviets were cought offguard when the germans attacked Soviet union due to paranoid lunatic stalin who was not preparing for war thinking that hitler would not attacked. Plus just before the war staling executed 12000 officers from the soviet military which made them headless for couple of years until new officers came thru ranks.
Ouija1210 3 months ago
those british guys are way too serious "five shots and that rifle is now zeroed" (dramatic serious face)
Alexn1067 4 months ago
@hunterziegelmann Zero'ing a sniper rifle is EXTREMELY important
Also i bet many of you K98>mosin guys never even fired one of the rifles
Mosin nagant is sturdy, reliable, cheap ammo, very accurate and anything can be fixed on it with a hammer
The K98...the only advantages i saw in it, was that it was shorter. And loading a stripper clip does goes easier then with the mosin.
F4Wildcat 4 months ago
@F4Wildcat depending on were you live the price may not be as cheap as you think. In Australia sporting ammo for 8mm is easier to find than 7.62x 54R
icbmmirv 4 months ago
@hunterziegelmann No, but unless every enemy they shoot at is in calm conditions and exactly 200m away, they will have to adjust for windage and elevation in the field. It is simpler on the PU. However, this is canceled out when you consider germany's training. I dont think either is better or worse, each played a critical role and was catered to the styles and needs of each countries military.
BrianWilsonJacob 4 months ago
@MrManofGraham The Mosin Nagant is not really any simpler or harder to use then any comparable WW2 bolt action.
esh325 4 months ago
@MrManofGraham my grandpa has a really old one and it still works
051883313737 4 months ago
@MrManofGraham and i like it
051883313737 5 months ago
@MrManofGraham no im saying that like the mosin nagarant because it's very easy to use
051883313737 5 months ago
I've got a 1937 Tula Mosin Nagant 91/30. It's beat to hell with gouges all over the frame, scrapes and scratches on the receiver and butt-plate; very much a rifle that saw alot of action, but the action of the trigger and bolt is smooth, never jams, and the bullet goes exactly where I want. K98's are surely one of the most influential and proven rifles of all time, but my Mosin was designed to be reliable, simple, and crude enough to crack a few skulls with it's buttplate. I need nothing more.
ElliottGrooveMachine 5 months ago
fuck all u Nazis the m91/30 is known to be a Germans worst nightmare in Soviet Russia!!!
collateral1207 5 months ago
honestly i dont see how zeroing in show how a mosin is supior to the k 98 i see no relavence in it at all
jdam112 5 months ago 10
@jdam112 its supior because its not a nazie gun
metisman100 3 months ago
@metisman100 That's a completely stupid statement. Being a 'Nazi' gun doesn't make it worse. Go and fire a K98K and then comment, they are fantastic, accurate, reliable and an extremely well thought out design and very safe to shoot. Go and play a video game.
TaZ101SAGA 2 months ago
@TaZ101SAGA im no saying there not good and i have shot one i just would not ever own one because its a nazie gun ok it just does not sit right with me thats all
metisman100 2 months ago
@metisman100 Well that's fine. But don't call it a 'Nazi gun' and state that it's inferior because of a political ideology. That's the stupidest way you could criticize a firearm. Forget about who used the firearm and base the comparison purely on all aspects of the rifles performance. Saying it's inferior because it was used by Nazi's is extremely stupid, and you're stupid to even say something like that.
TaZ101SAGA 2 months ago
@jdam112
The relevance in the zeroing itself was to show that it's simpler to zero the Mosin compared to the Zeiss but I do get what you mean. A: Kentucky windage, though less precise, is a lot quicker. B: If your rifle hasn't been scoped in during a major war, you're retarded. C: If you have to redial every time you shoot it...something is wrong with the system. Mosins are capable of around MOA with handloads and a little tweaking...but a Mauser will give you FAR more for less work ultimately.
IcabodCrane 3 months ago
@jdam112 its kinda easy :) i shoot you before you can shoot me
MrPapapineapple 3 months ago
i love watching history right now i have my tv on on some ww2 show its become white noise to me still love it tho
heretic1915 5 months ago
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Titleification 5 months ago
Face it guys the mosin nagrant is designed for drunken peasants during an blizzard and the kabar is designed for perfetional share shooters
051883313737 6 months ago
@051883313737 wanna bet? And I have the targets/witnesses to prove you wrong
SashaVedernikov 5 months ago 17
@051883313737 So, your saying Vasily Zaytsev is a drunken Peasant? HAHA, he is one of the greatest and well known snipers in history.
bigbob6556 5 months ago
@bigbob6556 no but most other russian soldier are conscripted peasants but they fought just as hard
051883313737 5 months ago
@051883313737 well maybe for "perfetional share shooters" but for Professional sharp shooters or even beginner snipers like most Russian "peasants" where the Mosin Nagant was an accurate rifle designed to be idiot proof; and proved its worth on the battlefield.
TravTheAce 5 months ago
@051883313737 What does it mean by "..perfetional share shooters" ?
Ranganbratschin 5 months ago
@Ranganbratschin i miss spelt the sharp shooter ok
051883313737 5 months ago
@051883313737 LOL then if it was meant for drunken peasants thats sad that the germans were scared of them in stalingrad
MrDip02 4 months ago
@051883313737 There is no r in Nagant you waste of oxygen.
ruski1945 4 months ago
@051883313737 Kabar is a US fighting knife. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
epicsr 4 months ago
@051883313737 The KABAR is a fighting knife issued to the US armed forces during the Vietnam war, and what the hell is a "share shooter"
AthrunZalaZaft 3 months ago
@AthrunZalaZaft sorry bad spelling it was meant to spell sharp
051883313737 3 months ago
Yeah the Mosin Nagant has a better scope, but truthfully the K98 Mauser is a far better gun. BTW I'm a Russian. It kills me to admit this
TRiiPLEAAAGAMERS 6 months ago
@TRiiPLEAAAGAMERS but the mosin nagant is by far more durable and reliable the action of the bolt does not determine a gun it's the accuracy and durability and it's ALOT easier to take apart than the kar98k for easy repair (i think)
MrDip02 6 months ago
does anybody know where vassili zaitzevs rifle is now, in which museum?
TheGraniteFlaneur 6 months ago
@hunterziegelmann because, unlike what you think, being a sniper is a lot about the enemy not knowing where you are. in fact it's at least 95% of being a sniper. as such it's crucial that, when you shoot, the target is dead.
but even when you miss, in an urban environment it's very unlikely they'll immediatly know where you are and start suppressive fire.
as such it wouldn't be hard(with a mosin-nagant anyway) to quickly adjust your scope, kill him, and retreat
Rhonion 6 months ago
@SashaVedernikov sorry if I came off quite jumpy last time, I do prefer the method vassilli used only eliminating important targets, but I like the.fact simo was just fighting to protect his family.
motlencore89 6 months ago
@hunterziegelmann so you're saying if you shoot 1 inch above the nazis head and it hits the german 5 feet to the left you wouldnt have the knowledge as a great sniper to sight you're gun
MrDip02 6 months ago
Simo Hayha makes Vasily look like shit, he sniped with iron sights, and had more than double the confirmed kills. THey were both good, but Simo is the definition of sniper.
motlencore89 6 months ago
@motlencore89 If Zaitsev wanted to he could have killed well over 700 Nazis in Stalingrad,However he only shot high priority targets such as Officers,Liason Officers,Corporals,Sergeants,MG Crews,Mortar Crews,enemy snipers-All this caused severe heavy damage to the German,As Zaitsev said "There were a lot of German infantry walking around alive due to our precise methods".
SashaVedernikov 6 months ago 8
@SashaVedernikov i honestly thinks the fact the simo chose to do what he did to protect and using no optics in -40 degrees that's impressive and for the fact what he went through airstrikes counter snipers he didn't give up to protect his land
MrDip02 6 months ago
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gamingdiplomacy 6 months ago
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@SashaVedernikov but Simo had almost no support
gamingdiplomacy 6 months ago
still, the mosin nagant and the k98 are still pretty good guns
SuperGreenday22 6 months ago
i both got the guns also equiped with scopes and the mauser is far more relieable and shoots smoother and more accurate than the mosin
mrnizzi 6 months ago
@mrnizzi I find that a bit hard to believe,2 U.S. Marines snipers from American Rifleman magazine recently tested all sniper rifles from WWII to see whats the best,mauser and mosin included. mosin 91/30 PU beat all rifles by a mile - they concluded that the mosin PU is the only sniper rifle from WWII that is up to par with todays standards in war
SashaVedernikov 6 months ago
@SashaVedernikov the rifle isn't what changes the battle, its the person using it. He is right, the mauser is a great gun, a little better than the mosin nagant because of the mosin nagantsw strait bolt handel
arm1207 6 months ago
@arm1207 were talking about sniper rifles here,Mosin Nagants were hand selected/test fired and only the super accurate models were used to build the sniper version which used a "Bent" bolt. They were more accurate than the scoped k98,they used better scopes than the k98,more reliable than the k98. Overall the m91/30 PU beats the scoped k98 by a mile
SashaVedernikov 5 months ago
@SashaVedernikov
"Are you for real? any rifle that needs a tool to set the firing pin depth when you pull the bolt apart is badly designed. Mosin's use a rimmed case and the firearm is a rear locking action as well, making the rifle action weaker that the k98 and jam if you load it wrong. Mosin-nagnat bayonets are useless for any thing apart from toasting marshmallows. as far as scopes go the PE and PU did have windage adjustment on the scope and not the mount, so russian scope were better
icbmmirv 5 months ago
@icbmmirv OK. The mosin was one of the toughest rifles available. Russian infantryman could put damaged rounds through the rifle, and it would keep on firing. Even German snipers would pick them up for their reliability under tough and dirty combat conditions. The Kar98, on the other hand, was an excellent rifle, but wasn't built like the Mosin. It was faster firing due to the location of the bolt. And when it comes to the scopes, the PU was excellent for the close and rough shooting.
Whatheonearth 5 months ago
@Whatheonearth If the Mosin is so strong and great, why are most bolt systems based on the K98? are you staying the mosin is stronger that Mauser 98?
icbmmirv 5 months ago