It's not hate or ignorance, it's pride for the south, that's why people fly it and nazism isn't heritage, that's flat out hate, and Oklahoma has had sweet tea for years, so to say we shouldn't fly it is just you being Ignorant.
Over 10,000 blacks(free & slaves that willing fought alongside whites, mexicans,etc.) & over 13,000 mexicans ( came from mexico) fought to preserve and protect the southern ways and allow thee Confederate States of America to be recognized. By the way half of my ancestors come from mexico and i fly the texas battle flag and the 3rd Nat. Proudly. I even have black friends whose great great grandparents were slaves yet still fought for the south. So point here is your the ignorant one.
Many people around the world hate the american flag, does that mean that we shouldn't fly it?.......Its all about freedom. We can't give up our freedom simply bc people get offended.
The rebal flag will be flown for many years to come. No one can ever stop it no matter how hard they try. I myself fly the flag proudly because it wasn't all about just the slavery. Also just think what would of happened if the south would of won the battle. Would the economy be this bad and would we be this far in debt. So to me i am proud to fly my flag and i take pride in it every day and i don't care what any one calls me or anythin i am who i am and i will fly the flag till the day i die.
now the reble flag duz not need to stop it apart of the south and it ant going way now adays the flag is not used the same way now win ther r fights started bc of the flag most of the thime it is not cus of us rednecks cus yall r starting the fights and if yall dont like the flag dont look at it like i seid it ant going way it going to be here 4 ever so git used to it
Whats funny is that the north supported slavery by buying slave made southern products (cotton) . Today, we buy cheaply made products made in China by child or slave labor! Yet those same people complaining that there families were slaves in America 150 years ago gladly buy these products without a second thought... Talk about BS
The truth is that at the start of the war only 6% of southerners owned slaves so tell me what the other 94% were fighting for? A: They were fighting for a just cause witch was against a unrepresentative government, a tax that was killing their economy and for the denial for state rights were the main reasons for the souths fight for independence.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The flag of the united states supported and upheld slavery for over 100 hundred years...the confederate flag 4! And thats a political twist in the first place..the flag really is not about slavery it is heritage! not too say alotta dumb ass half wit rednecks dont give it a bad name..like the clan and what not. because they do! I think unless someone has really studied the civil war they should not make an opinion on it!
"If you don't want to be a part of the Union, why don't you just get out?" -- Telling someone to leave their home because they don't like how it's being run is appalling. That sounds a lot like something Slobodan Milosevic might have said right before he started slaughtering Croats in Serb-controlled territory.
"What exactly is this heritage that you're trying to hold onto? Is it that you don't want to be part of the United States?" -- Well, secession is an absolute right. The European Union actually explicitly includes the right of member states to secede. America has gone to war to help other governments secede (e.g., Korea, the former Yugoslavia). So why is secession unacceptable in the American context?
As for the argument that the flag offends people: What if someone feels offended by the American flag? Should we stop displaying it, too? This is not hypothetical, as there have been court cases on this very issue.
I disagree with everything you sat here and said, i don't understand how you can have a point of view on something that you have no info on, in this video you did not give your reasoning of why this flag is only hate!
take a look at this! /watch?v=o8hPo6mYnks&feature=related
You Need To Grow And Look In To History it's A battle Flag and Your United States is a broke Down pile Of muck Young Man and you Should Not Even Be Proud Of Saying Your From The South!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stupid ass goto Samburg Tennessee and you shal know the answer jigaboo lover and yes i would fly a nazi flag ^^ GET A FUCKING LIFE I BET THEIR ARE THINGS YOU HATE .
And one more one more last thing... If you find yourself having to explain (sound like that comic that does the "you're a redneck jokes) but if you find yourself having to explain how the war started and all the intricate mechanics that support your view you have gone to far.. I'm talking point "A" to point "B" you are going to X, Y, Z, H M... It offends.. There is no explaining.. It offends. You are making it harder for yourself to understand people were hung under this flag.. It offends.
@alphamegaonrs just looked at your post where you said "under the rebel flag slavery lasted 4 years under the American flag it was 87 years so tell me wich one was slavery" I'm taking it you mean the american flag in its current state? Cause slavery lasted hundreds of years not 91 years. Just wanted to make sure and not trying to call you out.. We all need to know both sides trully... Educate yourself on the entire subject don't just argue your side without looking at the other.
ONe last thing... don't ever get into a debate about racism and say "I have black and latino friends" This in itself says 2 things 1) you are reaching for someone else who is not in the debate to justify your words just based on their color 2) your black or latino friends are severly oppressed and/or ignorant. Really just about anytime someone uses that argument all we hear is "help me my black dumb freinds!!" lol..
And racisim is based on fear of others not like you... no really.. So again if you choose to hold on it is fine. Waive your rebel flags but if you truly want to honor you forefathers pick another symbol...It's only a matter of time before that flag is gone.. Build a monument or creat an alternate flag.. In all honesty the flag does nothing for me but the people that fly it will continue to be like looking at dinosaurs..Underneath the flag you should hang an inscription that reads' The last...."
People my opinion is this.. Again the world is to big and growing too fast. One of the reasons people are less open to close minded ideals like racisim is Technology brings us closer together. Even if you are a racist I would be willing to argue that there is one person of color that you would say 'aw he's alright"... Its because you know him and technology is what is bringing the world closer together. The more you know about a group of people the less you fear them.
If your forefathers died for what they believed in and you want to honor them... Could you not find a better way? A way that does not offend people? Is it so hard to say my great great... fought in the war for the south and died for his beliefs with out offending? When people say the rebel flag not racist and I am going to fly the flag no matter what people think... just look at what you are saying? 1)You acknowlege that people are offended 2) You deliberately or passively support racism
Now I am very open minded about this and I know that people have a sense of pride in it for whatever reason... but don't you think that nazi's have pride in thier symbols. Do the KKK not have pride in their symbols.. Now I'm not comparing you to these people but what I am comparing is the negative impressions associated with the rebel flag. Not seeing this to me is selective ignorance... You know what is right you know people are hurt but you choose to hold on for your own personal belief.
@mygunseetness You do not have to be a closet racist.. Maybe you are the selective ignorant... Bottom line is your personal belief is not what is being judged when people see he flag... People associate the flag with hundreds of years of slavery, families being broken up, fathers and mothers being mutilated, babies being sold.. You can look at the rebel flag and some how see freedom, forefathers, joyful days and gum drops... But it offends people.
the rebel flag is not to be mean its somthing us rednecks can be proud of its just not racism and i have 1 in my truck one outside my house and no im not ignerite and our heritage is our herritage and if you dont understand that im sorry i have african american and latino friendds that are rednecks as well and have that flag so no i do not think its raciest at ALL!
please note this was all just my opinion thhanx :)
If I'm a closet racist like 405reign believes then why is it I'm going to vote for Herman Cain or Allen West if he runs,I'm not voting for the color of a mans skin,I'm voting for who I think has the best ideas for our country.So, don't judge me if you don't know me.
I think you don't know what your talking about,I had 47 family members fight for the south and 3 for the north.The last time I checked this is America and we have the right to fly what ever flag we want to. We don't need to tell you or anybody why.I will this one time.I fly mine to honor my forefathers and that's it.
The grey area is 99 % of the people that fly the rebel flag don't know thats it's one of the last great acts of freedom. CIvil war was against taxing of the poor southern staes not slavery. and on the nazi flag remark The fact the Brown Brothers and Harriman under wrote Hitler which in laymen terms funded him and BBH's partner was Prescot Bush it's not far fetched to say this is the new Germany of Old and the American flag now represents something that Hitler himself invisioned.
funny that ignorant are in the right in a couple ways they just don't know it. The Confederate Flag represents the traditional Jeffersonian Libertarian principles that this nation was founded on but has for so long forgotten. It represents the preservation of individual state rights and an objection to federal tyranny. It represents the last defense of what was once sacred about this republic. pEOPLE THAT DEFEND THE OLE RED WHITE AND BLUE die defending tyrannical injustice imperialism
But they are a dying breed, dinosaurs of the modern day. We do sometimes have to question them and their ways in their small world like you are doing you know.. shake up the snow globe. lol!
To those people that are just lost and can't grasp the hurt and suffering attached to these symbols… well I agree with you again, they are ignorant. Honestly the world is moving to fast for the open racist, closet racist, and the selective ignorant. While it continues to grow around them they will continue to hold on to hate and/or an unwillingness to open their eyes. They will continue to find support for their belief in their own small world… their personal snow globe.
Now I will be real, some of the people attaching personal feelings are just flat out closet racists. They will give you their pathetic attempt at being politically correct and water down their argument. This of course is in effort to some how justify why holding on to something racists should be accepted. Its bull-ish! To these people I say "Don't hide behind your words.. lift up the sheet on your head and let us see you for what you are."
@TheApplebalGuys… I agree with you 110%.. I think that most people today understand what racism is and can recognize the symbols associated with it. There are some however that hold on to their personal beliefs associated with racists ideologies and symbols and some how feel their personal feelings supersede what is commonly viewed as flat out racist. Now I will be real, some of the people attaching personal feelings are just flat out closet racists.
well my comment to this is first of its heritage and were not racist second everyone says rebels are racist and slavery (WRONG) no its not under the rebel flag slavery lasted 4 years under the American flag it was 87 years so tell me wich one was slavery
the rebal flag aka the confederate flag is not a symbol of hate altho i know where people come from to me its a symbol of southern pride to me it means im happy to be part of the south so thats my opinion. and just saying most rednecks/country boys are not racist
seems like its biased only one way...I don't hate people...however certain people's stupidity does get to me...no matter the race....not talking about you Sprink...
living somewhere that you have to stand out completely to be recognized because there is a million people in a small place. I would rather live where most of you neighbors know you and check on you instead of rob you. There will always be people who hate and used some particular symbol and claim it as their own. There are tons of people who get mad when they see a Confederate Flag. How many times have you seen someone get mad when you call them a cracker or honkey...
or maybe the ones that are offended should not be so easily offended, you know me and you know I have plenty of multiracial friends, that flag, to me, does not represent hate, it is more of heritage....now granted, some people say that who do actually hate different races, I however do not. I like the way we/people live in the south. I hate the way it is up north...ie: traffic, more pro dominant gang activity, living without any real personal space,
It's not hate or ignorance, it's pride for the south, that's why people fly it and nazism isn't heritage, that's flat out hate, and Oklahoma has had sweet tea for years, so to say we shouldn't fly it is just you being Ignorant.
OKgamer17 3 days ago
Over 10,000 blacks(free & slaves that willing fought alongside whites, mexicans,etc.) & over 13,000 mexicans ( came from mexico) fought to preserve and protect the southern ways and allow thee Confederate States of America to be recognized. By the way half of my ancestors come from mexico and i fly the texas battle flag and the 3rd Nat. Proudly. I even have black friends whose great great grandparents were slaves yet still fought for the south. So point here is your the ignorant one.
FutureTexasRanger 1 week ago
Many people around the world hate the american flag, does that mean that we shouldn't fly it?.......Its all about freedom. We can't give up our freedom simply bc people get offended.
whitevision00 2 weeks ago
The rebal flag will be flown for many years to come. No one can ever stop it no matter how hard they try. I myself fly the flag proudly because it wasn't all about just the slavery. Also just think what would of happened if the south would of won the battle. Would the economy be this bad and would we be this far in debt. So to me i am proud to fly my flag and i take pride in it every day and i don't care what any one calls me or anythin i am who i am and i will fly the flag till the day i die.
bornredneck2593 2 weeks ago
nice vid, really, greetz from europe
TheConfederate1863 2 weeks ago
now the reble flag duz not need to stop it apart of the south and it ant going way now adays the flag is not used the same way now win ther r fights started bc of the flag most of the thime it is not cus of us rednecks cus yall r starting the fights and if yall dont like the flag dont look at it like i seid it ant going way it going to be here 4 ever so git used to it
redneckdave1474 3 weeks ago
Over 10,000 blacks fought for the south by the end of the war....
Lincoln once offered the south to keep their slaves if they reoined the Union and the CSA said NO!!!
"Slavery is our political and personal evil"-Robert E Lee
dixieboy29 4 weeks ago
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Whats funny is that the north supported slavery by buying slave made southern products (cotton) . Today, we buy cheaply made products made in China by child or slave labor! Yet those same people complaining that there families were slaves in America 150 years ago gladly buy these products without a second thought... Talk about BS
dixieboy29 4 weeks ago
The truth is that at the start of the war only 6% of southerners owned slaves so tell me what the other 94% were fighting for? A: They were fighting for a just cause witch was against a unrepresentative government, a tax that was killing their economy and for the denial for state rights were the main reasons for the souths fight for independence.
dixieboy29 4 weeks ago
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
American by Birth-Southern by the Grace of God
dixieboy29 4 weeks ago
The flag of the united states supported and upheld slavery for over 100 hundred years...the confederate flag 4! And thats a political twist in the first place..the flag really is not about slavery it is heritage! not too say alotta dumb ass half wit rednecks dont give it a bad name..like the clan and what not. because they do! I think unless someone has really studied the civil war they should not make an opinion on it!
HalfdanTheViking 1 month ago
"If you don't want to be a part of the Union, why don't you just get out?" -- Telling someone to leave their home because they don't like how it's being run is appalling. That sounds a lot like something Slobodan Milosevic might have said right before he started slaughtering Croats in Serb-controlled territory.
bknight009 2 months ago
"What exactly is this heritage that you're trying to hold onto? Is it that you don't want to be part of the United States?" -- Well, secession is an absolute right. The European Union actually explicitly includes the right of member states to secede. America has gone to war to help other governments secede (e.g., Korea, the former Yugoslavia). So why is secession unacceptable in the American context?
bknight009 2 months ago
@bknight009 amen!
HalfdanTheViking 1 month ago
As for the argument that the flag offends people: What if someone feels offended by the American flag? Should we stop displaying it, too? This is not hypothetical, as there have been court cases on this very issue.
bknight009 2 months ago
YEAH WERE ALSO ENTITLED TO FREEDOM OF SPEACH DUMBASS!!!!!!
drumline102709 3 months ago
hahahah.... what a loser
BACONHAWK11 8 months ago
it is not hate u just don't understand
tonytrahan1 8 months ago
I disagree with everything you sat here and said, i don't understand how you can have a point of view on something that you have no info on, in this video you did not give your reasoning of why this flag is only hate!
take a look at this! /watch?v=o8hPo6mYnks&feature=related
Craynk 8 months ago
You Need To Grow And Look In To History it's A battle Flag and Your United States is a broke Down pile Of muck Young Man and you Should Not Even Be Proud Of Saying Your From The South!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LFC1952 9 months ago
Stupid ass goto Samburg Tennessee and you shal know the answer jigaboo lover and yes i would fly a nazi flag ^^ GET A FUCKING LIFE I BET THEIR ARE THINGS YOU HATE .
TheDudeNextDoor111 9 months ago
@TheDudeNextDoor111 What is this ... I don't even ...
hawkteflon 9 months ago 6
And one more one more last thing... If you find yourself having to explain (sound like that comic that does the "you're a redneck jokes) but if you find yourself having to explain how the war started and all the intricate mechanics that support your view you have gone to far.. I'm talking point "A" to point "B" you are going to X, Y, Z, H M... It offends.. There is no explaining.. It offends. You are making it harder for yourself to understand people were hung under this flag.. It offends.
405Reign 9 months ago
@alphamegaonrs just looked at your post where you said "under the rebel flag slavery lasted 4 years under the American flag it was 87 years so tell me wich one was slavery" I'm taking it you mean the american flag in its current state? Cause slavery lasted hundreds of years not 91 years. Just wanted to make sure and not trying to call you out.. We all need to know both sides trully... Educate yourself on the entire subject don't just argue your side without looking at the other.
405Reign 9 months ago
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405Reign 9 months ago
ONe last thing... don't ever get into a debate about racism and say "I have black and latino friends" This in itself says 2 things 1) you are reaching for someone else who is not in the debate to justify your words just based on their color 2) your black or latino friends are severly oppressed and/or ignorant. Really just about anytime someone uses that argument all we hear is "help me my black dumb freinds!!" lol..
405Reign 9 months ago 5
And racisim is based on fear of others not like you... no really.. So again if you choose to hold on it is fine. Waive your rebel flags but if you truly want to honor you forefathers pick another symbol...It's only a matter of time before that flag is gone.. Build a monument or creat an alternate flag.. In all honesty the flag does nothing for me but the people that fly it will continue to be like looking at dinosaurs..Underneath the flag you should hang an inscription that reads' The last...."
405Reign 9 months ago
People my opinion is this.. Again the world is to big and growing too fast. One of the reasons people are less open to close minded ideals like racisim is Technology brings us closer together. Even if you are a racist I would be willing to argue that there is one person of color that you would say 'aw he's alright"... Its because you know him and technology is what is bringing the world closer together. The more you know about a group of people the less you fear them.
405Reign 9 months ago
If your forefathers died for what they believed in and you want to honor them... Could you not find a better way? A way that does not offend people? Is it so hard to say my great great... fought in the war for the south and died for his beliefs with out offending? When people say the rebel flag not racist and I am going to fly the flag no matter what people think... just look at what you are saying? 1)You acknowlege that people are offended 2) You deliberately or passively support racism
405Reign 9 months ago
Now I am very open minded about this and I know that people have a sense of pride in it for whatever reason... but don't you think that nazi's have pride in thier symbols. Do the KKK not have pride in their symbols.. Now I'm not comparing you to these people but what I am comparing is the negative impressions associated with the rebel flag. Not seeing this to me is selective ignorance... You know what is right you know people are hurt but you choose to hold on for your own personal belief.
405Reign 9 months ago
@mygunseetness You do not have to be a closet racist.. Maybe you are the selective ignorant... Bottom line is your personal belief is not what is being judged when people see he flag... People associate the flag with hundreds of years of slavery, families being broken up, fathers and mothers being mutilated, babies being sold.. You can look at the rebel flag and some how see freedom, forefathers, joyful days and gum drops... But it offends people.
405Reign 9 months ago
the rebel flag is not to be mean its somthing us rednecks can be proud of its just not racism and i have 1 in my truck one outside my house and no im not ignerite and our heritage is our herritage and if you dont understand that im sorry i have african american and latino friendds that are rednecks as well and have that flag so no i do not think its raciest at ALL!
please note this was all just my opinion thhanx :)
deanna18vb 9 months ago
Nazi symbol is copied from the anciets, why did Hitler dessecrated those sacred symbols of the SUN.
standforchange08 9 months ago
@standforchange08 ancients*
standforchange08 9 months ago
If I'm a closet racist like 405reign believes then why is it I'm going to vote for Herman Cain or Allen West if he runs,I'm not voting for the color of a mans skin,I'm voting for who I think has the best ideas for our country.So, don't judge me if you don't know me.
mygunsweetness 9 months ago
I think you don't know what your talking about,I had 47 family members fight for the south and 3 for the north.The last time I checked this is America and we have the right to fly what ever flag we want to. We don't need to tell you or anybody why.I will this one time.I fly mine to honor my forefathers and that's it.
mygunsweetness 9 months ago
The grey area is 99 % of the people that fly the rebel flag don't know thats it's one of the last great acts of freedom. CIvil war was against taxing of the poor southern staes not slavery. and on the nazi flag remark The fact the Brown Brothers and Harriman under wrote Hitler which in laymen terms funded him and BBH's partner was Prescot Bush it's not far fetched to say this is the new Germany of Old and the American flag now represents something that Hitler himself invisioned.
W3PO 9 months ago
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funny that ignorant are in the right in a couple ways they just don't know it. The Confederate Flag represents the traditional Jeffersonian Libertarian principles that this nation was founded on but has for so long forgotten. It represents the preservation of individual state rights and an objection to federal tyranny. It represents the last defense of what was once sacred about this republic. pEOPLE THAT DEFEND THE OLE RED WHITE AND BLUE die defending tyrannical injustice imperialism
W3PO 9 months ago
But they are a dying breed, dinosaurs of the modern day. We do sometimes have to question them and their ways in their small world like you are doing you know.. shake up the snow globe. lol!
405Reign 10 months ago
To those people that are just lost and can't grasp the hurt and suffering attached to these symbols… well I agree with you again, they are ignorant. Honestly the world is moving to fast for the open racist, closet racist, and the selective ignorant. While it continues to grow around them they will continue to hold on to hate and/or an unwillingness to open their eyes. They will continue to find support for their belief in their own small world… their personal snow globe.
405Reign 10 months ago
Now I will be real, some of the people attaching personal feelings are just flat out closet racists. They will give you their pathetic attempt at being politically correct and water down their argument. This of course is in effort to some how justify why holding on to something racists should be accepted. Its bull-ish! To these people I say "Don't hide behind your words.. lift up the sheet on your head and let us see you for what you are."
405Reign 10 months ago
@TheApplebalGuys… I agree with you 110%.. I think that most people today understand what racism is and can recognize the symbols associated with it. There are some however that hold on to their personal beliefs associated with racists ideologies and symbols and some how feel their personal feelings supersede what is commonly viewed as flat out racist. Now I will be real, some of the people attaching personal feelings are just flat out closet racists.
405Reign 10 months ago
well my comment to this is first of its heritage and were not racist second everyone says rebels are racist and slavery (WRONG) no its not under the rebel flag slavery lasted 4 years under the American flag it was 87 years so tell me wich one was slavery
alphamegaonrs 10 months ago
the rebal flag aka the confederate flag is not a symbol of hate altho i know where people come from to me its a symbol of southern pride to me it means im happy to be part of the south so thats my opinion. and just saying most rednecks/country boys are not racist
alphamegaonrs 10 months ago
seems like its biased only one way...I don't hate people...however certain people's stupidity does get to me...no matter the race....not talking about you Sprink...
jitterthebug 10 months ago
living somewhere that you have to stand out completely to be recognized because there is a million people in a small place. I would rather live where most of you neighbors know you and check on you instead of rob you. There will always be people who hate and used some particular symbol and claim it as their own. There are tons of people who get mad when they see a Confederate Flag. How many times have you seen someone get mad when you call them a cracker or honkey...
jitterthebug 10 months ago
or maybe the ones that are offended should not be so easily offended, you know me and you know I have plenty of multiracial friends, that flag, to me, does not represent hate, it is more of heritage....now granted, some people say that who do actually hate different races, I however do not. I like the way we/people live in the south. I hate the way it is up north...ie: traffic, more pro dominant gang activity, living without any real personal space,
jitterthebug 10 months ago