It never fails to amaze me just how barren of a legitimate argument and brazen these people are in their willfulness to foist something that the American people OVERWHELMINGLY do not want.
I really don't think these people understand that they are pushing this country into the next civil war.
"this crisis is so urgent". These people sound like alarmists and fearmongerers. US citizens are not interested in government expansion or the expansion of EPA's power and authority to tax, fine, and regulate.
@Codger45caliber - They don't? Finally, I've been waiting for someone to have solid, unbiased proof people don't want to mitigate global warming, and moreover, they especially don't want the state to do it. Thanks! Can I have your data so I can show my friends??? I'll finally be able to prove them wrong!
The philosophy of thieves; steal what you can now without being caught and come back another day to steal the rest. Paul Jay advocates stealing, and TRNN is his podium. Just say no to Jay and to stealing.
Tobacco, Alcohol and petroleum, three of the most inelastic economic goods.
Doubling the price of tobacco or alcohol through taxation have minimal effects on their consumption. Regulation (eg - banning smoking in public places) is the most effective way to reduce consumption of inelastic goods.
Trading exotic carbon credits may please wall street, but wont reduce carbon emissions - only direct and forceful regulation will.
i would like a segment by segment on each of the renewable sources of energies.
i heard this somewhere but now cannt recall the source but they were saying that western governments have accepted the fact that their is going to be global warming and now they are just putting defensive measures in place. i think this view has some credibility and would like some analysis on that
true testimony that an independent media outlet shows that the bobble head dolls given to us by this administration are full of shit. this guy lookes like he is on something, look at his eyes. he is soo full of shit!!!!!
all these politicians, democats and rippublcians are playing games with the public. We can't trust on media any more... we need to see that these two parties are just a club whose interests are for the rich while milking the working people and what they see as weak nations who they can use soldiers to attack and murder....
I wonder what the goddamn carbon foot print of a war would be? The transport ships, the tanks, the fires, the rotting bodies?I wonder, would the military have to purchase carbon offsets?. I wonder if the peacenik Kerry includes the carbon footprint of war in his good for shit bill?And those pesky radio-active bullets. Will the bill evolve the carbon offsets to include those, you know, kinda like social security evolved.
if CO2 is so "dangerous" why don't they keep running comercials like smokey the bear on forest fires.why don't they ban cabonated drinks or CO2 bb guns or paintball guns.when i smog a car why does the CO2 have to be high for the NOx to be low.i have to call it climate CHARGE and won't do shit for the environment.if we choke out plants with too low CO2 we can't live.seems idiotic to me.criminal scam if you will.
Is there a way to trick climate change denial senators and big coal, oil, etc. lobbies into passing something that may not be effective in the short term, but has the potential for massive escalation in limits to pollution, be it cap and trade or otherwise? Would it be possible to pass cap and trade and then amend it in the future when it's found that planting trees isn't effectively reducing CO2 levels?
if Cap & Trade passes it will be nearly impossible to amend it because the bureaucrats won't do it... the point of it being that we don't need Cap & Trade because it's Gore, Obama, Big Oil & Coal and others that will profit off of it and in actuality they're purchasing Carbon Credits from themselves allowing them to continue to pollute...The people destroying the environment will continue to do so but by wearing Green camouflage.
California and the DOD receintly awarded contracts to 2 companies with home hydrogen electrolyzer appliances for use in H autos and home energy needs to explore the viability of mass production and costs.
Lets hope the politicaly powerful fossil fuel industry doesn't suceed in crushing this belated common dream of sustainable private distributed energy for the masses also.
below freightmaster says this has 322 views. I am watching it now with 3 comments between this one and his and it still says 322 comments. What's up with that?
you do not need fucking 60 majority for health care or pollution. bush passed his tax cut's for the rich with like 52 supporters and he's just like fuck you we are going to pass this. dems are fucking pussies. they want to look like they are not owned by the banks and corporations, but they are.
min 15:15 thank you... lets see if The Real News have the guts to show this watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME ....now 350 Co2 PPM, or cap and trade or global warming or global cooling has NO MEANING! We have the technology but lack the intention to wean us of fossil fuels!
Actually people use coal, because that's what's given to them! they don't care what makes their lights turn on when they get home at night, all they care about is that the lights come on. they don't really have a choice even if they do care! there's a coal plant in your area and one power company...the average citizen is screwed. the gov't has to do this! the free market is not a viable solution to obtain a resolution for this issue
Im canadian, I would like to discuss the kinds of international pressures that people like me could do, on an international level, to make the USA serious about their plan to reduce Co2 Emissions.(Meh, run on sentence)
Daniel Wiess is highly unbearable. And I would have to say that I agree with Esrhans' comment that this is a Technical issue, not a Political issue.
Wiess talks about maneuvering in order to cater to senators' interests so we can have a full consensus to move towards policy based on pseudo-science......what about the peoples interests?
P.S. Thanks Daphne for reminding Wiessel, at the end 14:41, that we should be reaching out to the American people, for which he hypocritically agreed.
I got very little out of this debate and I think that's because what they are talking is quite irrelevant when considering the subject. This problem is not political, it's technical and should addressed as such and by people who have studied the problem.
Esrhan: You are right it is technical but the politicians are the deciders. They praise science when it favors what they want to do but ignore the science whenever it goes against what they want to do. Sad to say but politicians control every aspect of our lives.
_if you had 65 democratic senators 6 would magically turn into corporatist republican democrats - you can play grown-up and practical all day but the system is a fa rce, step of the issue treadmill and go for the system itself
Its doesn't save or create jobs they are the only ones that think its an emergency. The earth will kill us off to restore its natural order if it had to.
Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not in support of putting billions of dollars into the pocket of a pile of shite like Al Gore... Here's an idea... how about instead of pushing a bill through congress... we get some real science involved and find out what really is heating the earth.... because it isn't CO2.... I guess the truth isn't scary enough to attract an audience to the media... nope... instead we'll push a bill that taxes people for exhaling and producing what plants breathe....
No.... the majority of scientists signed onto the IPCC to investigate it and when they try to have their names removed, the IPCC says they won't many have had to sue to have their names removed... and a majority of those signatures aren't even scientists... many are bureaucrats etc. check out The Great Global Warming Swindle to begin your research.....
I've seen the documentary...but from what i understand the majority of scientists in academia, never mind the United Nations for a moment, believe in Global Warming. The science they claim is very strong and points to man-made global warming. I hope for my future children's sake that they are wrong (but I would place my trust in peer-reviewed scientific journals rather then what politicians or conservative/liberal talk show hosts say to appease their base of supporters and lobbyists)
Well the consensus in reality is unknown because since Climategate and the Danish Text leak many are no longer convinced by the scientists out of East Anglia who were unwilling to share their data. If anything those 2 events probably created a lot of skeptics. In reality we won't know what the real science on ManMadeGW is until more independent sources investigate it, not funded by special interest. I personally trust Piers Corbyn more than anyone else and his info is at: weatheraction(.)com
The best perspective on this whole thing is not to trust mainstream media simply because their motives are to sell us a product that scares us.. Thats why the idea that everything is going to be ok isn't thrown out to us... it doesn't sell.. and for the globalists who's agenda backs MMGW, they're robably pushing it because it solves their problem of overpopulation which they've been parroting for years.. and is something that Lord Christopher Monckton talks of.
The Center for American Progress is a bullshit, shill, PR flack group for Obama. Center for Policy Studies is non-partisan and actually progressive in the best meaning of the word. Great interview, TRNN, excellent journalism and thank you for pulling things into the public eye.
Talk about Single Payer Medicare for all and the fact that bill HR676 actually went through the California legislature twice and got vetoed by Gov shwashinager both times and why and why their is never any mention of it in these debates anless some body is speeking against it and spreading dis information call it a Government Run Program which it is not.
Oh yeah the Kerry bill, yeah have a Millionare aristocrat "Sen. Kerry" put forward a Cap N Trade bill, that will futher burden the already heavily burdened average American. You think Kerry knows what's like to live on $30,000 a year?
What a joke to put this in a aritocrats hands. Hell no. First the Bailout $700 Billion dollars to bailout the banks, Healthcare which is going to be a Bailout for the Insurance Corps. and now this.
Daniel J Weiss is a corporate whore trying to get the American People to shoulder the burden and make the Mega rich RICHER.
I'm all for lower emission car. I got the cash for clunkers, I'm for putting up solar on my house, $30,000 cost. I'm for reducing C02.
I am not for setting up a NEW gambling Casino- Trading Offsets that will be another tax that will make it impossible for me to do anything to lower Co2.
That's true when the system is as decayed as it is now. And historically, whenever a situation like that rolls around, you have to have a revolution and bulldoze everything.
threats of possibilities = Fear mongering
Revolutionidea 2 years ago
It never fails to amaze me just how barren of a legitimate argument and brazen these people are in their willfulness to foist something that the American people OVERWHELMINGLY do not want.
I really don't think these people understand that they are pushing this country into the next civil war.
kmg501 2 years ago
"this crisis is so urgent". These people sound like alarmists and fearmongerers. US citizens are not interested in government expansion or the expansion of EPA's power and authority to tax, fine, and regulate.
Codger45caliber 2 years ago
@Codger45caliber speak for yourself you conservative dreg.
Antiks72 2 years ago
@Codger45caliber - They don't? Finally, I've been waiting for someone to have solid, unbiased proof people don't want to mitigate global warming, and moreover, they especially don't want the state to do it. Thanks! Can I have your data so I can show my friends??? I'll finally be able to prove them wrong!
jbrownil 2 years ago
these three are gonna go fuck after this show
ourpangea 2 years ago
The philosophy of thieves; steal what you can now without being caught and come back another day to steal the rest. Paul Jay advocates stealing, and TRNN is his podium. Just say no to Jay and to stealing.
bbburton 2 years ago
I hear you, I live in Sweden and it's the same. No jobs anywhere
AbtinX 2 years ago
@AbtinX At least you have a social safety net.
Antiks72 2 years ago
for sure Antiks, thank god
AbtinX 2 years ago
Tobacco, Alcohol and petroleum, three of the most inelastic economic goods.
Doubling the price of tobacco or alcohol through taxation have minimal effects on their consumption. Regulation (eg - banning smoking in public places) is the most effective way to reduce consumption of inelastic goods.
Trading exotic carbon credits may please wall street, but wont reduce carbon emissions - only direct and forceful regulation will.
Origen305 2 years ago 5
Hahahaha! Blinking so fast you think the US really is the land of opportunity! shit I need to get there
AbtinX 2 years ago
i would like a segment by segment on each of the renewable sources of energies.
i heard this somewhere but now cannt recall the source but they were saying that western governments have accepted the fact that their is going to be global warming and now they are just putting defensive measures in place. i think this view has some credibility and would like some analysis on that
hasankhalid 2 years ago
true testimony that an independent media outlet shows that the bobble head dolls given to us by this administration are full of shit. this guy lookes like he is on something, look at his eyes. he is soo full of shit!!!!!
lockmanfortruth 2 years ago
all these politicians, democats and rippublcians are playing games with the public. We can't trust on media any more... we need to see that these two parties are just a club whose interests are for the rich while milking the working people and what they see as weak nations who they can use soldiers to attack and murder....
ceomeye 2 years ago
"I, I, I, I, believe you have my stapler"
TeddyTyme 2 years ago
I wonder what the goddamn carbon foot print of a war would be? The transport ships, the tanks, the fires, the rotting bodies?I wonder, would the military have to purchase carbon offsets?. I wonder if the peacenik Kerry includes the carbon footprint of war in his good for shit bill?And those pesky radio-active bullets. Will the bill evolve the carbon offsets to include those, you know, kinda like social security evolved.
anolmec 2 years ago 4
if CO2 is so "dangerous" why don't they keep running comercials like smokey the bear on forest fires.why don't they ban cabonated drinks or CO2 bb guns or paintball guns.when i smog a car why does the CO2 have to be high for the NOx to be low.i have to call it climate CHARGE and won't do shit for the environment.if we choke out plants with too low CO2 we can't live.seems idiotic to me.criminal scam if you will.
taxisgay12 2 years ago
Is there a way to trick climate change denial senators and big coal, oil, etc. lobbies into passing something that may not be effective in the short term, but has the potential for massive escalation in limits to pollution, be it cap and trade or otherwise? Would it be possible to pass cap and trade and then amend it in the future when it's found that planting trees isn't effectively reducing CO2 levels?
KamuiTa 2 years ago
@KamuiTa
if Cap & Trade passes it will be nearly impossible to amend it because the bureaucrats won't do it... the point of it being that we don't need Cap & Trade because it's Gore, Obama, Big Oil & Coal and others that will profit off of it and in actuality they're purchasing Carbon Credits from themselves allowing them to continue to pollute...The people destroying the environment will continue to do so but by wearing Green camouflage.
youtube(.)com/ watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs
jsjs525 2 years ago
Debaters!
dade7sreel 2 years ago
He does doesn't he, I guess oppurtunism takes that face
AbtinX 2 years ago
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Codger45caliber 2 years ago
Well we are pretty screwed. Atleast I know we are, there are no solutions. Just be ready in like 15 years.
AbtinX 2 years ago
California and the DOD receintly awarded contracts to 2 companies with home hydrogen electrolyzer appliances for use in H autos and home energy needs to explore the viability of mass production and costs.
Lets hope the politicaly powerful fossil fuel industry doesn't suceed in crushing this belated common dream of sustainable private distributed energy for the masses also.
We will win our democracies back one day!
brotherjupiter 2 years ago
guy on right has dodgiest eyes ever.
MankindCartoons 2 years ago
below freightmaster says this has 322 views. I am watching it now with 3 comments between this one and his and it still says 322 comments. What's up with that?
makeshiftpat 2 years ago
you do not need fucking 60 majority for health care or pollution. bush passed his tax cut's for the rich with like 52 supporters and he's just like fuck you we are going to pass this. dems are fucking pussies. they want to look like they are not owned by the banks and corporations, but they are.
6enlighten9 2 years ago 3
min 15:15 thank you... lets see if The Real News have the guts to show this watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME ....now 350 Co2 PPM, or cap and trade or global warming or global cooling has NO MEANING! We have the technology but lack the intention to wean us of fossil fuels!
jcrc65 2 years ago
Actually people use coal, because that's what's given to them! they don't care what makes their lights turn on when they get home at night, all they care about is that the lights come on. they don't really have a choice even if they do care! there's a coal plant in your area and one power company...the average citizen is screwed. the gov't has to do this! the free market is not a viable solution to obtain a resolution for this issue
WARDOG1138 2 years ago
322 views and 33 comments!
Coincidence?
freightmaster522 2 years ago
03:26
Shifty eyes.
kelseywall 2 years ago 3
lol the camera man zooms in on the woman probly thinking "wtf is going on with that guys face"
ShaktipatSeer 2 years ago 3
Why would you refer to Social Security?
It is a colossal failure and is collapsing faster every day.
Paetaor 2 years ago 2
Social Security would be fine if they would quit robbing it.
beldapriest 2 years ago
SS would be better if the money wasn't pilfered but it would still be drastically underfunded.
It is just one more ponzy scheme to make you think the government can give something for less than you paid for it.
Paetaor 2 years ago
Im canadian, I would like to discuss the kinds of international pressures that people like me could do, on an international level, to make the USA serious about their plan to reduce Co2 Emissions.(Meh, run on sentence)
restlys 2 years ago
this bald fucker is a fucking moron
hugegiantfrogs 2 years ago
Daniel Wiess is highly unbearable. And I would have to say that I agree with Esrhans' comment that this is a Technical issue, not a Political issue.
Wiess talks about maneuvering in order to cater to senators' interests so we can have a full consensus to move towards policy based on pseudo-science......what about the peoples interests?
P.S. Thanks Daphne for reminding Wiessel, at the end 14:41, that we should be reaching out to the American people, for which he hypocritically agreed.
erwickline 2 years ago
I got very little out of this debate and I think that's because what they are talking is quite irrelevant when considering the subject. This problem is not political, it's technical and should addressed as such and by people who have studied the problem.
Esrhan 2 years ago
Esrhan: You are right it is technical but the politicians are the deciders. They praise science when it favors what they want to do but ignore the science whenever it goes against what they want to do. Sad to say but politicians control every aspect of our lives.
klard 2 years ago
_if you had 65 democratic senators 6 would magically turn into corporatist republican democrats - you can play grown-up and practical all day but the system is a fa rce, step of the issue treadmill and go for the system itself
random0815 2 years ago
ask how she expects obama to throw his weight behind the climate issue when he has backtracked on any other of his campaign promises so far?
random0815 2 years ago
he made good on his promises to bomb Pakistan and keep the military in Afghanistan!! Nice eh? :)
NicosNicosNicosNicos 2 years ago
Its doesn't save or create jobs they are the only ones that think its an emergency. The earth will kill us off to restore its natural order if it had to.
BigZeb5 2 years ago
Mr Weiss has a big mouth and does a lot of interrupting
lextalionis2001 2 years ago
@lextalionis2001
he has shifty eyes too :)
TheJadeMachine 2 years ago
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random0815 2 years ago
I wish they'd keep the market out of the environment. Keep it simple and it work's
'the devils in the detail they say & these bills are hundreds of pages long, WTF...
PJStruth 2 years ago
What happened to the other host of the show? Ever since this host showed its turned into the fake news.
AkoyPinoy2 2 years ago
Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not in support of putting billions of dollars into the pocket of a pile of shite like Al Gore... Here's an idea... how about instead of pushing a bill through congress... we get some real science involved and find out what really is heating the earth.... because it isn't CO2.... I guess the truth isn't scary enough to attract an audience to the media... nope... instead we'll push a bill that taxes people for exhaling and producing what plants breathe....
jsjs525 2 years ago
Don't the overwhelming majority of scientists say global warming is happening and is man made?
Meloman0001 2 years ago 2
No.... the majority of scientists signed onto the IPCC to investigate it and when they try to have their names removed, the IPCC says they won't many have had to sue to have their names removed... and a majority of those signatures aren't even scientists... many are bureaucrats etc. check out The Great Global Warming Swindle to begin your research.....
youtube(.)com/ watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs
jsjs525 2 years ago
I've seen the documentary...but from what i understand the majority of scientists in academia, never mind the United Nations for a moment, believe in Global Warming. The science they claim is very strong and points to man-made global warming. I hope for my future children's sake that they are wrong (but I would place my trust in peer-reviewed scientific journals rather then what politicians or conservative/liberal talk show hosts say to appease their base of supporters and lobbyists)
Meloman0001 2 years ago
Well the consensus in reality is unknown because since Climategate and the Danish Text leak many are no longer convinced by the scientists out of East Anglia who were unwilling to share their data. If anything those 2 events probably created a lot of skeptics. In reality we won't know what the real science on ManMadeGW is until more independent sources investigate it, not funded by special interest. I personally trust Piers Corbyn more than anyone else and his info is at: weatheraction(.)com
jsjs525 2 years ago
Second part, read part 1 first.
The best perspective on this whole thing is not to trust mainstream media simply because their motives are to sell us a product that scares us.. Thats why the idea that everything is going to be ok isn't thrown out to us... it doesn't sell.. and for the globalists who's agenda backs MMGW, they're robably pushing it because it solves their problem of overpopulation which they've been parroting for years.. and is something that Lord Christopher Monckton talks of.
jsjs525 2 years ago
@Meloman0001
if you're interested in some more info I came across these a while back....
scienceandpublicpolicy-.-org/
and
arctic.atmos.uiuc-.-edu/cryosphere/
just get rid of the dashes... -.-
jsjs525 2 years ago
The Center for American Progress is a bullshit, shill, PR flack group for Obama. Center for Policy Studies is non-partisan and actually progressive in the best meaning of the word. Great interview, TRNN, excellent journalism and thank you for pulling things into the public eye.
Aiden057 2 years ago 3
Daniel Weiss (or punkboy as I like to call him) talks too much.
Let Daphne speak!
Let Daphne speak!
hugozoom 2 years ago
Talk about Single Payer Medicare for all and the fact that bill HR676 actually went through the California legislature twice and got vetoed by Gov shwashinager both times and why and why their is never any mention of it in these debates anless some body is speeking against it and spreading dis information call it a Government Run Program which it is not.
1DjRadeoConscyous 2 years ago
Fake Debate
What about Climategate?
sharpsteve2003 2 years ago
@sharpsteve2003 Or the danish texts for that matter?
cheeseaura 2 years ago 2
Her faith in Obama is flawed ... and Cops only man the Internal Affaires Shack when the system fails !
ubuibiok 2 years ago
Oh yeah the Kerry bill, yeah have a Millionare aristocrat "Sen. Kerry" put forward a Cap N Trade bill, that will futher burden the already heavily burdened average American. You think Kerry knows what's like to live on $30,000 a year?
What a joke to put this in a aritocrats hands. Hell no. First the Bailout $700 Billion dollars to bailout the banks, Healthcare which is going to be a Bailout for the Insurance Corps. and now this.
People we are being played as suckers.
valhala56 2 years ago 2
Daniel J Weiss is a corporate whore trying to get the American People to shoulder the burden and make the Mega rich RICHER.
I'm all for lower emission car. I got the cash for clunkers, I'm for putting up solar on my house, $30,000 cost. I'm for reducing C02.
I am not for setting up a NEW gambling Casino- Trading Offsets that will be another tax that will make it impossible for me to do anything to lower Co2.
This guy is a liar. Daphene is more reasonable.
valhala56 2 years ago 5
With Politics nothing is possible - that's the problem.
PsyogiBottoms 2 years ago
"In politics stupidity is not a handicap." , Napoleon Bonaparte.
2010 is Here...the Broom will out the Dem s and Place lieberman joe'ism in power...
ubuibiok 2 years ago
That's true when the system is as decayed as it is now. And historically, whenever a situation like that rolls around, you have to have a revolution and bulldoze everything.
blackiron60 2 years ago
As they say, those that do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
How many ugly empires must fall until we all evolve souls?
French, Russian, Spanish, they all end ugly and bloody - ours will unfortunately not be any different.
Let us just hope they get all the aristocracy this time and behead their entire line.
Burn the ROOTS out of the Earth - Say the Indigo Warriors!
PsyogiBottoms 2 years ago