. . .The pack of yellow T-shirted Mormons were part of some 2,000 volunteers who arrived in the region, about 40 kilometres south of Montreal, Saturday to roll up their sleeves and help out the residents, many of whom were overwhelmed with the vast task ahead of them.
BUENA VISTA, Va. -- Dr. Richard G. Whitehead, who has been the vice president of institutional advancement since 2003, will be the interim president of Southern Virginia University effective Aug. 15, the university's Board of Trustees announced Friday.
Whitehead will succeed President Rodney K. Smith who announced last month that he had accepted a new position as a distinguished professor of law at the Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego where he will also direct a new center on sports law and policy. .
Deuteronomy 18.22. Explains what John Smith was. Will one of you read that passage? Then look at all the predictions that he made that didn't come true? History of the church Vol 1. Page. 315 to 316. Vol 2 P.182, Vol.5 P.336. Doctrine & Covenants 127:2, 132:6,8,12,52-54,62 and 66. Shouldn't this raise a question in the back of your mind? Suicide bombers believe they are doing God's work you know. Don't for get that.
@chopppacalamari John Smith was the captain of the Mayflower and governor of the British colony Jamestown in 1607 and had never made any predictions about any religion.
Approx. 2,000 Suicide bombers believe they were doing God's work and that should raise a question? The Catholic Queen Mary I Tudor of England slaughtered 3000 Christians in the guise of doing God's work. Thousands of "Christians" crossed the Mediterranean Sea, killing millions of Muslims apparently doing God's work. A question?
Placing his hands on their heads, he said: “Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness” (D&C 13:1).
We know of the doctrine that it is of God, and we do not ask any questions of anybody about it; they are welcome to their opinions, to their ideas and to their vagaries. The man who has reached that degree of faith in God that all doubt and fear have been cast from him, he has entered into ‘God’s rest’” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 56).
He took compassion on them, for they may not have eaten during the entire three days. His disciples, however, questioned, “Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude?” Like many of us, the disciples saw only what was lacking.
By example we can help our children understand that spending long periods of time using the Internet, social media, and cell phones; playing video games; or watching television keeps us from productive activities and valuable interactions with others.
@MormonsLoveFamilies He loves all of us, and it's unconditional. Always puts a smile on my face when I receive a Priesthood blessing and those words are spoken : )
When I was growing up in the LDS Church, every type of kid had something to take part in. Wards had drama directors, speech directors, dance directors whose job was to provide opportunities for kids with many talents to shine. But by the time I was 14, those callings -- and those programs -- were gone.
We must model that which is virtuous and lovely by our personal media choices. We must take care that the media we invite into our homes does not dull the sensitivity to the Spirit, harm relationships with our family and friends, or reveal personal priorities that are inconsistent with gospel principles
The standards found in the sections “Entertainment and the Media” and “Dress and Appearance” can be particularly challenging because they are becoming increasingly at odds with the standards of the world.
Read Deuteronomy 18:22. Not only is it in the bible, it makes perfect sence. How many times have the mormon prophets put a date on the return of jesus and then It didn't happen?
@chopppacalamari Jesus is possibly busy because think about it. He is the one created the world, time and fate system. He have a many responsibly on his shoulder and we are depending on him. I don't know how to feel like overweight of pressure like him. But bout becoming a God after death, this may shock you that God the Father is once human. Everything before we created and first creation of his son, Jesus. He possibly was in another universe before us. We all know ghost don't have a body yet
I want to show you about Jesus got marry but thank to some king torn the page off from book. Maybe it was King Herod since he searched and kills many babies because he don't want to lose his kingdom to Jesus.
But we all know Jesus died and raised from dead on 3 days. He never commit any sins since birth.
I tried to find where it said people can become god after death but unfortunately, there is thousand of word God in definition.
Before the Mormon fort or Fort of San Bernardino was built, the site was where ... "Soon after the Mormon settlers built the first homes in the new colony,
Jackson is the author of books and articles on land use, Mormon settlement and environmental perception. He is, with several others, completing a new Atlas of Mormon History which is scheduled to appear this summer.
The year 2010 marked another important and historic year for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Milestones were reached internationally with the dedication of the first temple in the former Soviet Union, the groundbreaking for a temple in Europe's eternal city and high-level discussions with the government of China.
@omiolo I´m sure they enjoy talking with communist China, especially because of their failed communist experiment called the Law of Consecration - who knows they are learning from them on how to do it effectively.
@MormonsLoveFamilies Thank you. I know God loves you too, and i honestly worry because even the best of men can be corrupted by power, it doesn´t matter who they are. So, please, be careful with the amount of faith you put on your prophet and ask God with a sincere heart to lead you to truth wherever it may lead you. I hope that love you have is really from the heart! God bless you!
He has been a Mormon since he was a child and despite his rock and roll profession tries to abide by the principles of the religion. His marriage to Tana Mundkowsky in 2005 and the birth of his two children, Ammon (named after a Mormon prophet) in 2007, and Gunner in 2009 have further helped to crystallise the musician's beliefs and lyric writing process, which he readily admits often have a foreboding undertone.
You know what. I getting tired of all religions posted in here. Holy war incidents happened in very long time ago. So much hatred, murderous and rape. All of because of religions. I said ignore the posted and enjoy this video! I don't want to get reply from any of you expect Masterskyrunner or i will report to News or Cop because I have it enough with Mormon's or other religions's issues. Come on! Everything in the past. Why brought it up? I got one word for you all, "letitgo".
Mormon videos: I love when blogs seek out great resources and then share them with the world. In this case, the Mormon Woman blog has compiled a list of both official and unofficial "Mormon Videos in a Variety of Languages." Nice! Click to find some new favorite video sites.
Institute upgrade: Did you know that the "Institute Website (was) Upgraded" recently? It now matches the new LDS*org site and includes some awesome resources where you can "find an institute class. Learn about the different classes you may want to take. Download institute manuals. Watch videos to learn more about Institute." Cool!
Brothers and sisters, it is contrary to the economy of heaven for the Lord to repeat to each of us individually what He has already revealed to us collectively. The scriptures contain the words of Christ. They are the voice of the Lord. Studying the scriptures trains us to hear the Lord’s voice.
It is a great blessing to receive the word, commandments, and guidance of the Lord in these difficult days of the earth. The prophet can be inspired to see the future in benefit of mankind.
And what has the prophet given us as the words of GOD, to assist us in these troubled times?
Was it the order that women were to wear only one erring in each ear and that men were to have no facial hair?
Or maybe it was GBH and his "I don't know that we believe that. I don't know that we teach that" statement.
I was astonished at the timely and powerful word of God that GBH gave us to help us in these troubled times!!God certainly works in mysterious MORMON ways!!
@42apostate Not always Mormon way. How u know that Lehi is Joseph's descendant? Lehi died in way in billion years ago but Joseph born in New York at 1800's, maybe 1900's... But shut up and leave Omiolo out of it.
@42apostate Umm Leave her alone... I don't think she could cause a trouble but she is good person... I not saying to defend her but I just want to be narrow. But you gave me a page from bible so I did some help for you.
*Sigh*... Just let drop it because some unbelief won't post it again. Beside I getting tried of fighting with unbelief people. If anyone want to know about bible then taht fine but in one condition, anyone refuse to listen to me then I won't help them...beside Omiolo have
In the Guide to the Scriptures, we find the definition of the word prophet: “A person who has been called by and speaks for God. As a messenger of God, a prophet receives commandments, prophecies, and revelations from God” (“Prophet,” scriptures.lds*org; see also Bible Dictionary, “Prophet”).
"HEY!! I can hear you! No need to write me a notes"... sound like 42apostate made up...there's no way, they write something like this... Because every prophects wrote everything they witnessed before JS. Nephi, Jacob and many of prophects.
...=_=" Another theories from 42apostate, it was out of blue. Jesus chosen Jospeh Smith to take care of golden of brass so he can translate them into english. If JS make up then Jesus will take everything away from him because he can do that since Jesus is Son of God and Creator.
God doesn't need to take away anything. All he does is get rid of the false prophet--and he did, in 1844 at Carthage Jail--as he did Jim Jones in Guyana and David Koresh in Waco Texas.
Hmmmm..."Golden plates of brass" ?!?! I'd like to see those...lol!!
BTW. Joseph didn't translate ANYTHING! If his story is true (it's not) GOD translated the "Reformed Egyptian"
language into English FOR Joe. Joe then COPIED the English words GODS gave him on the stones in Joe's HAT!!
@42apostate You're foolish if you think that Smith just rattled off works from a stone; it required a kind of concentration and faith and humility because after Smith had a small oral with his wife and he couldn't translate at all, he then begged Emma's forgiveness and repented, and the translation worked alright. Also, when Oliver Cowdery tried to translate, he could only translate a few syllables. Smith also translated by his own grammar and diction.
I'm NOT the one willing to take the word of a convicted con artist on these things. Anyone who believes ANYTHING this guy said are the "foolish" ones--submitting themselves to the "arm of flesh"!
As for the method of "translation" used?--I got my story of that process from the words of the WITNESSES--Martin Harris, Emma Smith and Oliver Cowardly. THEY are the ones that said JS placed the stones in his hat, and had the words IN ENG. appear there.
@42apostate Yeah, they just "conned" themselves into extreme persecution. I don't care what he did with his hat, because it doesn't matter if its weird to you. It doesn't seem very weird when you think about it.
I don't care about the hat thing either. What I care about is the "fruit" that came out of this man. By their fruit shall they be known. The racism shown toward blacks and Native Amerinds; the denigrading of the value and worth of women by subjecting them to the horrors of polygamy and assigning them a place as 2nd class citizens--baby machines, at the whim of their male masters. Now LDS are headed down another rat hole by antagonizing the gays! Totally uncalled for!
@42apostate Racism towards black? You mean him saying they were cursed? Well, let's look around. Slavery, discrimination, Africa, mass famine, mass plague, mass destruction by the European colonization of Africa. And no, he was not racist toward Native Americans because they were the people of the Book of Mormon and said that god would not suffer the Gentiles to utterly destroy them. You are wrong about sexism in the Church too,spousal abuse is just as common in the Church as out.
Whatever is recorded in the BoM lays at the feet of Joseph Smith, since HE ALONE is the admitted "Author and Propriator" of the book.The words of the book itself tell the story of whether it's racist garbage of not. There are many refferences to the "white and delightsome" being the "righteous" and the "dark and loathsome" being the followers of the Devil! "Racism"--ie., black men BANNED from holding the LDS Priesthooy!
No SEXISM? How many women Apostles are in LDS, Inc.??
i was reading some of the comments you made and had a few of my own. firstly, how many women apostles were in Christs time? secondly their is DNA evidance that shows people here did come from that area of the world, on the eastern half. dont believe me look up research done by rob meldrum. thirdly, is the fact that so many things are used symbolically in scripture, so how many hebrews do you know that are "White" because that's what color these "whites" had to be.
No women apostles that we know of and no place were they were specifically banned from BEING apostles. However there ARE several references to "Prophetesses" in the New Test. Look em up.
I havn't got the time nor the inclination to search Rob's guesswork, especially when I know for a fact that FAIRLDS doesn't agree with Rob in any way, shape of form.
there again we can only go off what is written according to you, so we know from according to what is written that only males have the priesthood and are called as apostles, secondly any one can prophecy, that power is not given only to those that hold the priesthood, that power comes from the holyghost, this would in essence make them a prophet or a prophetess. i dont think we really hear about them because to many to day are unconfident in their faith
@42apostate well FAIRLDS was published before meldrujms work so in the scientific world it doesn't carry weight now any ways, the most recent shows that their are three DNA signatures for human beings, african, asian, and european/middleeastern. the native on the west half of the united states show evidence of being asian, but tribes like the iriquoi actually show more evidence of being european.
I don't care what the time frame was. Several "scholars from FAIR (Dan Peterson, et. al.) have spoken up AFTER Meldrum's work was published and had nothing good to say about it.
Nice try at sneaking "middle eastern" into the equation. Please provide the references for PRE COLUMBIAN (ANCIENT) "middle eastern" DNA showing up in the Iriquois-or any other Eastern Native American tribes. (OUTSIDE LDS references ONLY). Yes! "European" DNA IS a possibility--but "Middle Eastern"? NAH!
@42apostate if you dont look up he meldrum stuff then you really cant say that the DNA evidence is against it becuase you wont look at all the facts that are out there, as for it not being publish, big surprise, most people that arent mormon dont want them to be right. they will take facts for it a brush it a side and say that it isnt credible and or that they dont have time for something like that.
RIGHT! ALL scientists in the "genome" field are anti-Mormon!?!? You MUST do something about this LDS generated paranoia you're infected with, Rex!
I HAVE read some of Meldrum's stuff --as well as many LDS claims. It's just another in a long list of theories (hypothisies really) in order to skirt the damaging DNA information re: Amerind/Asian connections--some of which came from BYU DNA investigations!!
Re: Bias. Science as a whole is driven by their "code" of "FALSIFIABILITY". IOW, PROVING hypothies are true by searching for alternate or other possible hypothesies that show the target hypoth. to be wrong. If they can't prove it wrong then the target hypothesis is elevated to "theory" status--until such time as further light is shed.
If you want to find "bias", look no further than articles published by LDS "scholars". WHO has more to gain or lose?? Science doesn't CARE!
@42apostate no where are they banned in the church either, apostleship is a calling in the priesthood. the relief society has there own broadcast just like the men have their own broadcasts and the leader of them is a woman by the way. this let receives inspiration, prophecy if you will, for the women in the church. the prophet receives inspiration as a whole.
@BigRex11 this would then make Julie B. Beck a prophetess. any one can be a prophet or a prophetess all they have to do is have the holy ghost, this really doesnt even just apply to mormons, you could prophecy if moved upon by the holy ghost.
I agree, as I stated earlier. If ANYONE can be a prophet without the priesthooy, why have priesthood? The LDS version of priesthood should more correctly be called, Priest CRAFT, not priesthood. All these LDS concocted, man made rules and policies are totally unnecessary. All we need do is follow Christ's # ONE Commandment, the Golden Rule, to love God and our fellowmen, our brothers and sisters, and do so UNCONDITIONALLY! Learn to do that and we'll be totally acceptable to God.
You don't need the HG to be a prophet. All you need in most cases is INFORMATION.
I'll make a prophecy right here, based 100% on reliable information.
I prophesy that, by the end of summer, this year, the economy of the US (and the world) will be in shambles--that we will be able to neither buy nor sell--that there will be massive civil unrest and riots and gangs looting, looking for food. Be prepared!
The tipping point will be the bad Quarterly Reports due in June and July.
They (women) certainly ARE "banned" from holding the P'hood!--just as much as black men were "banned" (pre-1978). Open your eyes, Rex!
Yes, women DO have the Relief Society. What they DON'T have is AUTONOMY--meaning, they (the women in leadership) are not allowed to make decisions for themselves. They MUST beg their male priesthood overseers for PERMISSION to implement their ideas. This is called a Patriarchy, ie. male domination. Read D&C 121: 39-44--"unrighteous dominion".
I can guarantee you, Rex, that IF there WERE irrefutable evidences of Israelite DNA in PRE-Columbian native Amerinds ANYWHERE on North, South or Central America the news of it would be plastered ALL OVER the web--not to mention making headlines in the Church News AND the Ensign!!
I don't get what point you're trying to make on "white" Hebrews. We can only go by what Joe put in the BoM. You're LDS. You tell ME what was meant by "dark and loathsome" and "white and delightsome".
@42apostate the church doesnt really care if man can prove that the book of mormon is correct, that defies the point of religion. i'm willing to bet they wont ever publish anything like that ever. if you take nephi's perspective, the one who wrote the original part about them being white and delightsome and about the lamanites being dark and loathsome you must first take into account that nephi was some one who loved freedom and god
The Church HAS published "findings" in the past. Research the finding of the Book of Abraham paperi found in a New York museum. It was in the Ensign. I was LDS at the time and very excited to think that the Church would be vidicated by the translation of these papri by Egyptologists. Copies were sent out to 4 or 5 Egyptologists. Then---SILENCE. Turns out that the translations had NOTHING TO DO with Abraham. They were common, PAGAN, funeral prayers for the deceased.
Since then, the "bretheren" have remained very silent about anything and everything to do with "proofs".
They KNOW it's all a farce--that anything they attempt to produce will show further proof of the false claims of Mormonism. Why else do you suppose the "bretheren" refuse to answer memb. questions nowadays? This is the reason they set up the apologetic orgs of FAIR and FARMS as a buffer--so THEY (the bretheren) won't have to suffer more humiliation . Good move--from their POV.
Nephi? He was a fictional character from a book of fiction. Never existed. Perhaps he existed in some parallel Universe--but not here. Besides, what would an Asian named Nephi (if he DID exist) know about "freedom and god"--especially the Christian God??
@42apostate when he saw the "gentiles" come here he said they were white and delightsome like his people, which had the same skin color as hebrews (if you dont accept that then you are not accepting common sense) but the gentiles had the bible, they feared god and they fought for freedom. the lamanites were said to be lazy and idolatrous meaning they wasted a lot of time and thy didnt grow grain like the nephites did, they just ate meat. remember the story of daniel and his 3 chronies & food?
Yes, the fictional BoM does have that point in it. But what does "common sense" have to do with a fictional story? That's like trying to apply common sense to the story of Santa giving billions of kids presents and doing it all in ONE NIGHT--not to mention the common sense of fatass Santa lowering himself down millions of chimneys! It's absured!!--just like lamanites and nephites...
@42apostate ... Your theory didn't sense at all. Who is Joe? Never heard of him. I meant Golden plate from Moroni hid it and give to Jospeh. He have friend to translation into english so he can write but not Joe. Byway after his transtaion, Everyone in mobs and religious turns against him and his friends in jail. They killed them in second floor. It was brutal. Have you watch the movie, The Work and Glory: American Zion? It all of Jospeh Smith history if you don't believe us.
I'm DUNN with you, dunno! Don't bother addressing me as I won't respond. Learn to communicate and maybe I'll change my mind. Good luck and best wishes...
@42apostate I guess you're suck at fact so I not very interest in you. At first, you just random point it out and lies about it then you loss at point of matter of fact... Beside Masterskyrunner is right, you are foolish and useless. Don't bother reply on my comment. Lol yourself,pathetic.
@dunnooooo1234789 And besides that, what is so messed up about the Korihor thing, SO THE JUDGE WROTE AND DIDN'T SPEAK. Big whoop! Plus, just refer to my channel for a video for a more in-depth examination of Section 87 and World Events.
It's only "stupid" because YOU can't explain WHY that problem exists in God's Word, the "most correct book on earth", the Book Of Mormon. If THAT were the ONLY problem with the BoM I'd let you slide on the Kori thingy--but IT'S NOT! It's the "white and delightsome" thing; it's the DNA thing; it's the TOTAL lack of physical evidence thing. That's called a "PREPONDERENCE OF EVIDENCE" against claims made by LDS leaders that BoM is the "word of God" AND the most correct book!
@42apostate Type in "Semitic Writing in Ancient America" and you will find compelling evidence that Asians possibly came from America.
Man's "knowledge" doesn't compare to the knowledge of God. It's all opinionated in some way when it comes down to it. Why does the Korihor thing matter, who's to say it was a mistake. There's more compelling evidence against the Bible too. Entire Earth flooded over 3 mi high. Monkey evolution? Earth billions yrs old?
I've already explained why the "Kori" thing matters. You should be able to figure that out without any prompting from me.
Semetic writing, the Bible, the Flood, monkey evolution, age of the earth are all interesting subjects----
but are only being thrown around to distract and DEtract, from the subject. In some areas it's called "blowing smoke". It's a sign of desperation, used when the opposition runs out of arguments.
@42apostate Your talking about EVIDENCE, there's my DNA thing opposition that's been thrown under the blanket of the anti-Mormon's DNA thing. Plus, Lehi was from a Greek tribe, so we can effectively throw the Hebrews out of this. Plus, Nephi said that, in 1 Nephi 19:6, if he errs, it is not the err of God, but the weakness which is in him, even if that err is of other men. Also, your examination is still conjured up of opinions.
ALL truth (that LDS don't like) is ALWAYS "thrown under that blanket"!! Dr David Smith of the Univ. of Cal. is neither a Mormon NOR anti Mormon. LDS has already accepted the DNA findings. Now they hide behind the LGT.
Lehi from a "GREEK TRIBE"? Read 1NE 5:14--Lehi was a descendant of JOSEPH!
1Ne 19:6 is nothing but a copout. Can't trust the words of men who claim to be inspired Prophets who speak the word of God? Then WHY FOLLOW THEM?!
@42apostate Never mind, I was thinking of someone else. Nephi saying that if a man wasn't strong enough to hear the words of the Lord clearly, that that man should be thrown away?
Still, the Korihor thing is still going on your own opinion and reasoning, so I am inclined to leave it be.
Is it truth? Is it REALLY truth? Are you a believer in the words of man and of the Spirit.
No. The truth is, re: Korihor, that I am relying 110% on what the "most correct book" actually says about the Kori incident, and ZERO about my opinion of it, nor am I attempting to read between the lines (as you are), and make something of it that is not plainly stated in the story.
Bottom line is that Joseph Smith screwed up his OWN story by not keeping the facts straight about Korihor.
@1MoNoMo ...How it impossible if JS screwed up ? I already posted my comments so many times! Oliver Cowdery is transtalor and he also helped Joseph Smith, SERIOUSLY! In the bible, Jospeh Smith History-1:66-75. Read them.
@1MoNoMo Ah yes Mr. D has it: "When Korihor walking around in the town while he was still muting. Many people wrote him to asked him if he is cursed by God as he wrote it back an yes. Many of people was hurried to prayed to repented." There it is.
@masterskyrunner I readied about Korihor (sorry I was suppose to reply back but I having a party with my family), he won't believe in god so he asked Alma to prove him that God is exisit. Alma did tell him,"This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou shalt be struck dumb according to my word; and I say, that in the name of God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance" after he spoke, Korihor can't talk because God cursed him to be mute.
@masterskyrunner When Korihor walking around in the town while he was still muting. Many people wrote him to asked him if he is cursed by God as he wrote it back an yes. Many of people was hurried to prayed to repented.
@42apostate Heh, all this talk of "evidence", is it not evidence enough that the Holy Spirit witnesses to me, and to all people, the truthfulness of all things without the help of evidence and the sightings of the learned. Search in the way of a clean heart as the dwelling of the Spirit. I'm done here.
All the people that followed David Koresh also had the idea that facts were no good so they relied on the "spirit" to guide them. How did that turn out?
Why didn't you explain to dumooooo123 that Korihor could hear just fine and didn't need to get "notes" from ANYBODY. They could TALK to him and he could hear cuz he was NOT DEAF. To answer them he HAD to write "notes". WOW!! Some people are REALLY thick...
@42apostate I doesn't matter if they "wrote" instead of spoke, anyway how was he supposed to get across to that judge first that he could hear, and to anyone else first before they wrote back.
As I said TWICE now, Kori could have written a note to the judge saying that he could hear. OR wrote a note to hang around his neck, "I CAN'T TALK, BUT I CAN HEAR!!"
Everyone in the area should have known Kori's condition anyway since Amla struck Kori DUMB (can't talk).
It "matters" because Joe the prophet of God said that the BoM was the "most correct book on earth".
@42apostate Excuse me. You the one saying ,"Mormon Cult!". Beside I can't standing while your false amuses against Mormon. Seriously, at first, I was replied on your comment when I was nice but nooo, you just blow up and amused that I am one of Mormon cult which that was insulting me. i was right about Kori but you keep saying about Joseph is false prophet in your unspoken book but where it come from ? It's from your head. Okay, Mr.42apostate. Your commenting in here isn't going change us.
Beside, if Joe or Joseph (whatever you believe in) didn't translated the bible then whom will ? How we know about Jesus Christ in first place and Heavenly Father? Without both of them, we possibly in Allan, Zeus or any other Gods by now. But now, I. DON'T. CARE. WHAT. YOU. SAID. OH. OKAY. HON!
@dunnooooo1234789 Sorry but that's not quite true. The christian god Is the one true eternal living god. The mormon god of earth is only a man who was richeous on his own planet at some time in the past and was made a god by his man/god at the time. The mormons do not believe in any true god. They have their own. Ask a mormon. They believe they will become gods after they die and have their own planet to rule. The bible states many times that there is only one god who is eternal.
@chopppacalamari I was made a example that without translate from bass plate then we possibly don't know who is our God. Entire of races have many different religions to believe in.
About becoming God, you can become God but you need learn the teaching of Lord or Gospel from Lord. Lord had done everything on the earth. Now you and all of us in this world have are learning step by step. One requirement is marriage, because being God can't be alone without wife. Y know how feel like?
@chopppacalamari Have you heard of Jesus have his wife? I was shocked when I heard from one of friends and movie. I didn't know all along. They said the king ripped the pages from bible.
(Michael is the Archangel of Heaven who fought of the Devil and his serpents, first man on Earth, second created in Heaven, today we know him as Adam)
Yes it is. I've admitted it before, so it's no secrete. I had problems logging into the MoNo acct (passw'd problems) so I opened another. As soon as I get the MoNo acct straight I plan on closing this one. Is all this okay with you?
@masterskyrunner Alma struck Kori dumb (but not deaf), right?--according to the BoM text.
But Joseph Smith has Alma writing notes to Korihore!! WHY--when Korihor could HEAR just fine--Alma could TALK to Kori and be heard by Kori because Kori was struck DUMB, not deaf. It was KORI that needed to write notes to ALMA! Got the picture?
Joe supposedly translated the BoM "by the gift and power of God", Right? Would God have made that kind of a stupid mistake? NO!
But Mormon or Moroni MAY have made the mistake in their original recording of the incident ,or whoever authored it, but when God gave it to Joseph Smith God would have corrected it, Right?
Do you see the problem? So the problem HAS to be owned by Joseph Smith--meaning HE MADE THE BOM UP! Well, I tried and tried to get omiolo to explain this huge discrepancy to me but he would ALWAYS avoid answering me--which is the reason I called him "dishonest" (above).
So, anyway, that's my problem with omiolo. I promised omiolo, that every time I ran into him on YT that I would remind him of the Korihore problem--and I DO!!
Sorry for taking the space to tell the story, but it is interesting--and one that may be of interest to you, OR to others here. Have you heard of this "problem" before? Lemmeno, K?
I'd repeat the story for dunnooooo1234789 but I don't think he/she is capable of grasping it!!
My BoM Index has it as Page 269, which equals out to Alma 30.
By the way. Look closely at Korihor's response to the hp Giddonah. I feel exactly like Korihor does, except for the "God " and "Christ" parts. As far as Mormon Leadership keeping the members in "bondage" and "glutting themselves by the labors of the members", I agree 100%.
Another interesting thing is the total lack of "freedom of speech" and no such thing as allowing all men to believe what they will--AF #11
Korihor was dumbfounded, he couldn't speak, or give utterance, and KORIHOR wrote notes to Alma.
The chief judge asked, in writing, asked, "Art thou convinced of the power of God?"
Korihor put forth his hand and wrote, "I know that I am dumb, for I cannot speak; and I know that nothing save it were the power of God-etc."
Perhaps Korihor couldn't comprehend words spoken either, or perhaps the judge believed this. But, remember, Mormon abridged the Book, so alot of it might not have survived.
We can ONLY GO by what is written in the BoM. If Korihor couldn't hear OR UNDERSTAND, the author of it would have said "deaf and dumb". Since only "dumb" was used we know he could not speak. Why is it reasonable think that he could understand the WRITTEN words but not the spoken? His brain was fine, except for speech.
Read again what I said above starting with "But Mormon or Moroni MAY...".
Would God pass on to JS something erroneous? NOPE!
No, Kori wrote notes to the judge. If I said he wrote to Alma, I was mistaken.
It doesn't matter because the screw up is still alive and well regardless to whom he wrote the notes.
Except that it was the judge that wrote to Kori, thinking that he couldn't hear when he could. If I were Kori, I'd have alerted the judge, "HEY!! I can hear you! No need to write me notes." But since it's a made up story
@42apostate Made up story eh, what about when Nephi prophesied of the US as a world super-power: "and it shall be above all other nations"? What about when Smith prophesied of the American Civil War of 1861 telling of the EXACT state, South Carolina, that would rebel against the Union. How was Smith to know that the Confederacy would call upon Great Britain of all nations? Slaves shall rise up against their masters to be marshaled and disciplined for war. But since it is a made up story...
I've read the Nephi "prphecy before and NOWHERE does it say the "US".
Smith Civil War? It was common Knowledge at the time that civil war was imminent AND that it waould start at SC. ALL common knofwledge stuff at the time.
Many slaves sided with the south too. Made up malarkey.
@1MoNoMo1 No, it say the nation that shall inherit this land shall be above all other nations in the latter-days.
Do you what wasn't common knowledge at the time and what wasn't mentioned in the newspaper? That the South would send a plan to Great Britain in order to help them, GB was primed for war, sending supplies and inspectors to the South(watch Gettysburg movie for modern day reference). The French also lent oral support when the Union blockaded their ports, yet too weak for war. cont-
@1MoNoMo1 c- The British and French surprisingly allied up for their assault on the abusive Americans. The Trent Affair followed and Britain REALLY considered war. The French refused to help the South after many key Union victories. The French sent troops to Mexico, sparking the Franco-Mexican War, pulling out after the Civil War. The F-M War is already spilled out upon many nations. Slaves rising up: runaway slaves and freed northerner blacks joined up in regiments, starting at the 54th Mass R.
@1MoNoMo1 cont- Going back to the French and British orally allying up, we go ahead 50 years to 1914 when a Serbian nationalist killed the Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, next in line for the Austrian throne, this sparked World War One when Austria declared war on Serbia. Serbia called upon Russia, who called Britain and France(allied), making the Triple Entente. The British called upon many other nations as well, who didn't join until 1917-18. cont.-
@1MoNoMo1 cont The Austrians called upon Germany and the Ottoman Empire, making the Triple Alliance, or Central Powers. The result of the war was Germany was ruined and suppressed by the Allies' LoN, this was the rise of Hitler, causing another World War. The rise of Hitler and Germany's destruction is mention in D&C Section 87:5. the next verse, in a way, mention of the breaking up of all nations, which happened both after WW1 and WW2.
Good thing I'm a student of post-Colombian-pre-Cold War.
@masterskyrunner Man, I forgot to mention why France went to war with Mexico, they went to war to gain a foothold in their primed invasion of the United States.
Good job on American history! But I'm afeared that AH has nothing to do with Joseph's imaginings.
I'll study JS prophecy on it a bit more.
SO...do we just ignore the Korihor problem?? It's STILL there, defying an explanation--PLENTY of excuses, but, alas no rational, real, explanation. YEP! If ya can't explain it--ignore it...and the problem just disappears--kindalike those treasures Joseph promised to find for the farmers, eh?!
LOL!! All you're doing is imposing Mormonism onto history.
"All nations broke up? That was part of JS' prophecy, but what was the fulfillment of that part again?? WHO "broke up"? And where is it recorded that there were fierce and vivid lightnings? and famine? the "inhabitants of the earth" would suffer? ALL of them? Who says so?? Resulting in the "end of all nations? As I see it all the nations involved are still around 150 years later!
@42apostate READ THE FREAKING PROPHECY THEN COMPARE IT WITH WHAT I JUST SAID. It makes sense that a chain reaction would cause all this; a rope of iron doesn't need to bind all prophecies.
Well, at least not when it's inconvienient for Mormonism.
OH!! So it was a prophecy about the last days and NOT about the Civil War.
Let ME make a similar Prophecy. I predict that unless we stop imposing Capitalism on all the worlds people
and stop our oil-generated wars we (the USA) will, by 2015, collapse economically and in every other way, as a nation, and will suffer a Civil War all over again, starting in Washington D.C.
@dunnooooo1234789 Yeah, he thinks that a prophecy can ONLY consist of one thing, not a chain reaction of minor events in something that is a lot bigger, like the way France and Britain just got that little nudge in the Civil War to make them friendly enough to ally and enter WWI together with Russia, just the way that man, Joseph Smith, said it would.
This song gives me chills everytime I listen to it...a sister missionary sung it at my grandmas babtism.
Sageyy22B 1 month ago
@Sageyy22B It is a powerful song.
MormonsLoveFamilies 1 month ago
. . .The pack of yellow T-shirted Mormons were part of some 2,000 volunteers who arrived in the region, about 40 kilometres south of Montreal, Saturday to roll up their sleeves and help out the residents, many of whom were overwhelmed with the vast task ahead of them.
omiolo 8 months ago
Utah gathering explores what it means to be Mormon
Salt Lake Tribune
omiolo 8 months ago
Remembering my time as secretary to Pres. Ernest L. Wilkinson
Mormon Times
omiolo 8 months ago
BUENA VISTA, Va. -- Dr. Richard G. Whitehead, who has been the vice president of institutional advancement since 2003, will be the interim president of Southern Virginia University effective Aug. 15, the university's Board of Trustees announced Friday.
omiolo 8 months ago
Whitehead will succeed President Rodney K. Smith who announced last month that he had accepted a new position as a distinguished professor of law at the Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego where he will also direct a new center on sports law and policy. .
omiolo 8 months ago
Last week was the last week of school for me.
We sang this song for seminary graduation.
it was so amazing...
pure00awesomness 9 months ago
@pure00awesomness There is power in music that testifies of our Redeemer.
MormonsLoveFamilies 9 months ago
OK got me there "Joseph" smith what ever the devils advocate was named. Yes that should make you question the beginnings of your faith.
chopppacalamari 9 months ago
Deuteronomy 18.22. Explains what John Smith was. Will one of you read that passage? Then look at all the predictions that he made that didn't come true? History of the church Vol 1. Page. 315 to 316. Vol 2 P.182, Vol.5 P.336. Doctrine & Covenants 127:2, 132:6,8,12,52-54,62 and 66. Shouldn't this raise a question in the back of your mind? Suicide bombers believe they are doing God's work you know. Don't for get that.
chopppacalamari 9 months ago
@chopppacalamari John Smith was the captain of the Mayflower and governor of the British colony Jamestown in 1607 and had never made any predictions about any religion.
Approx. 2,000 Suicide bombers believe they were doing God's work and that should raise a question? The Catholic Queen Mary I Tudor of England slaughtered 3000 Christians in the guise of doing God's work. Thousands of "Christians" crossed the Mediterranean Sea, killing millions of Muslims apparently doing God's work. A question?
masterskyrunner 9 months ago
This song is so special to me. Father in Heaven is always there. Even when we cant... or wont feel Him.
rclikes2go 11 months ago 2
@rclikes2go A loving song.
MormonsLoveFamilies 11 months ago
Decisions about standards to follow must be made in advance, not when temptation appears.
omiolo 11 months ago
Placing his hands on their heads, he said: “Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness” (D&C 13:1).
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo What a great promise.
MormonsLoveFamilies 1 year ago
We know of the doctrine that it is of God, and we do not ask any questions of anybody about it; they are welcome to their opinions, to their ideas and to their vagaries. The man who has reached that degree of faith in God that all doubt and fear have been cast from him, he has entered into ‘God’s rest’” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 56).
omiolo 1 year ago
And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And [the disciples] said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
“And [Jesus] commanded the multitude to sit down on the ground.
omiolo 1 year ago
He took compassion on them, for they may not have eaten during the entire three days. His disciples, however, questioned, “Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude?” Like many of us, the disciples saw only what was lacking.
omiolo 1 year ago
By example we can help our children understand that spending long periods of time using the Internet, social media, and cell phones; playing video games; or watching television keeps us from productive activities and valuable interactions with others.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo A hard lesson to learn and apply
MormonsLoveFamilies 1 year ago
@omiolo teach the children to use lds.org ... and search for great resources on youtube such as your channel.
melodiarox 1 year ago
@melodiarox I want you to know that God loves you.
MormonsLoveFamilies 1 year ago
@MormonsLoveFamilies He loves all of us, and it's unconditional. Always puts a smile on my face when I receive a Priesthood blessing and those words are spoken : )
melodiarox 11 months ago
@melodiarox You have seen my channel?
omiolo 11 months ago
When I was growing up in the LDS Church, every type of kid had something to take part in. Wards had drama directors, speech directors, dance directors whose job was to provide opportunities for kids with many talents to shine. But by the time I was 14, those callings -- and those programs -- were gone.
omiolo 11 months ago
We must model that which is virtuous and lovely by our personal media choices. We must take care that the media we invite into our homes does not dull the sensitivity to the Spirit, harm relationships with our family and friends, or reveal personal priorities that are inconsistent with gospel principles
omiolo 1 year ago
The standards found in the sections “Entertainment and the Media” and “Dress and Appearance” can be particularly challenging because they are becoming increasingly at odds with the standards of the world.
omiolo 1 year ago
Read Deuteronomy 18:22. Not only is it in the bible, it makes perfect sence. How many times have the mormon prophets put a date on the return of jesus and then It didn't happen?
chopppacalamari 1 year ago
@chopppacalamari Jesus is possibly busy because think about it. He is the one created the world, time and fate system. He have a many responsibly on his shoulder and we are depending on him. I don't know how to feel like overweight of pressure like him. But bout becoming a God after death, this may shock you that God the Father is once human. Everything before we created and first creation of his son, Jesus. He possibly was in another universe before us. We all know ghost don't have a body yet
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@chopppacalamari D&C 130:22 This book of mormon still proved.
I want to show you about Jesus got marry but thank to some king torn the page off from book. Maybe it was King Herod since he searched and kills many babies because he don't want to lose his kingdom to Jesus.
But we all know Jesus died and raised from dead on 3 days. He never commit any sins since birth.
I tried to find where it said people can become god after death but unfortunately, there is thousand of word God in definition.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@chopppacalamari We should follow his teaching and example in Jn 3:2
Devil's and God's followers are always separating each other. In Moro 7:11
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
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masterskyrunner 1 year ago
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42apostate 9 months ago
Before the Mormon fort or Fort of San Bernardino was built, the site was where ... "Soon after the Mormon settlers built the first homes in the new colony,
omiolo 1 year ago
Jackson is the author of books and articles on land use, Mormon settlement and environmental perception. He is, with several others, completing a new Atlas of Mormon History which is scheduled to appear this summer.
omiolo 1 year ago
The year 2010 marked another important and historic year for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Milestones were reached internationally with the dedication of the first temple in the former Soviet Union, the groundbreaking for a temple in Europe's eternal city and high-level discussions with the government of China.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo I´m sure they enjoy talking with communist China, especially because of their failed communist experiment called the Law of Consecration - who knows they are learning from them on how to do it effectively.
fmeloexlds 1 year ago
@fmeloexlds I want you to know that God loves you.
MormonsLoveFamilies 1 year ago
@MormonsLoveFamilies Thank you. I know God loves you too, and i honestly worry because even the best of men can be corrupted by power, it doesn´t matter who they are. So, please, be careful with the amount of faith you put on your prophet and ask God with a sincere heart to lead you to truth wherever it may lead you. I hope that love you have is really from the heart! God bless you!
fmeloexlds 1 year ago
@fmeloexlds God still loves you.
MormonsLoveFamilies 1 year ago
He has been a Mormon since he was a child and despite his rock and roll profession tries to abide by the principles of the religion. His marriage to Tana Mundkowsky in 2005 and the birth of his two children, Ammon (named after a Mormon prophet) in 2007, and Gunner in 2009 have further helped to crystallise the musician's beliefs and lyric writing process, which he readily admits often have a foreboding undertone.
omiolo 1 year ago
You know what. I getting tired of all religions posted in here. Holy war incidents happened in very long time ago. So much hatred, murderous and rape. All of because of religions. I said ignore the posted and enjoy this video! I don't want to get reply from any of you expect Masterskyrunner or i will report to News or Cop because I have it enough with Mormon's or other religions's issues. Come on! Everything in the past. Why brought it up? I got one word for you all, "letitgo".
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
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42apostate 1 year ago
Mormon videos: I love when blogs seek out great resources and then share them with the world. In this case, the Mormon Woman blog has compiled a list of both official and unofficial "Mormon Videos in a Variety of Languages." Nice! Click to find some new favorite video sites.
omiolo 1 year ago
Institute upgrade: Did you know that the "Institute Website (was) Upgraded" recently? It now matches the new LDS*org site and includes some awesome resources where you can "find an institute class. Learn about the different classes you may want to take. Download institute manuals. Watch videos to learn more about Institute." Cool!
omiolo 1 year ago
Brothers and sisters, it is contrary to the economy of heaven for the Lord to repeat to each of us individually what He has already revealed to us collectively. The scriptures contain the words of Christ. They are the voice of the Lord. Studying the scriptures trains us to hear the Lord’s voice.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo Yes, the scriptures contain the words of Christ.
MormonsLoveFamilies 1 year ago
@MormonsLoveFamilies
BUT, only the ones that agree with Mormonism, curiously enough...
42apostate 1 year ago
It is a great blessing to receive the word, commandments, and guidance of the Lord in these difficult days of the earth. The prophet can be inspired to see the future in benefit of mankind.
omiolo 1 year ago
@omiolo
And what has the prophet given us as the words of GOD, to assist us in these troubled times?
Was it the order that women were to wear only one erring in each ear and that men were to have no facial hair?
Or maybe it was GBH and his "I don't know that we believe that. I don't know that we teach that" statement.
I was astonished at the timely and powerful word of God that GBH gave us to help us in these troubled times!!God certainly works in mysterious MORMON ways!!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Not always Mormon way. How u know that Lehi is Joseph's descendant? Lehi died in way in billion years ago but Joseph born in New York at 1800's, maybe 1900's... But shut up and leave Omiolo out of it.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789
He's talking about the BIBLE Joseph, you know, Abraham's son, the one sold into Egypt? NOT JosephsMYTH!
OMIOLO?? Why don't you tell omiolo to "stay out of it"?
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Umm Leave her alone... I don't think she could cause a trouble but she is good person... I not saying to defend her but I just want to be narrow. But you gave me a page from bible so I did some help for you.
*Sigh*... Just let drop it because some unbelief won't post it again. Beside I getting tried of fighting with unbelief people. If anyone want to know about bible then taht fine but in one condition, anyone refuse to listen to me then I won't help them...beside Omiolo have
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@42apostate Freedom of Speech so we can't make them mute anyway.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
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@42apostate "And what has the prophet given us as the words of GOD, to assist us in these troubled times?"
Watch General Conference and you do NOT have to ask such obvious questions!
/still trying to help you learn how to learn.
omiolo 1 year ago
In the Guide to the Scriptures, we find the definition of the word prophet: “A person who has been called by and speaks for God. As a messenger of God, a prophet receives commandments, prophecies, and revelations from God” (“Prophet,” scriptures.lds*org; see also Bible Dictionary, “Prophet”).
omiolo 1 year ago
"HEY!! I can hear you! No need to write me a notes"... sound like 42apostate made up...there's no way, they write something like this... Because every prophects wrote everything they witnessed before JS. Nephi, Jacob and many of prophects.
Bible had written in sort of peom or cipher.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
...=_=" Another theories from 42apostate, it was out of blue. Jesus chosen Jospeh Smith to take care of golden of brass so he can translate them into english. If JS make up then Jesus will take everything away from him because he can do that since Jesus is Son of God and Creator.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789
God doesn't need to take away anything. All he does is get rid of the false prophet--and he did, in 1844 at Carthage Jail--as he did Jim Jones in Guyana and David Koresh in Waco Texas.
Hmmmm..."Golden plates of brass" ?!?! I'd like to see those...lol!!
BTW. Joseph didn't translate ANYTHING! If his story is true (it's not) GOD translated the "Reformed Egyptian"
language into English FOR Joe. Joe then COPIED the English words GODS gave him on the stones in Joe's HAT!!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate You're foolish if you think that Smith just rattled off works from a stone; it required a kind of concentration and faith and humility because after Smith had a small oral with his wife and he couldn't translate at all, he then begged Emma's forgiveness and repented, and the translation worked alright. Also, when Oliver Cowdery tried to translate, he could only translate a few syllables. Smith also translated by his own grammar and diction.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
I'M THE FOOLISH ONE??
I'm NOT the one willing to take the word of a convicted con artist on these things. Anyone who believes ANYTHING this guy said are the "foolish" ones--submitting themselves to the "arm of flesh"!
As for the method of "translation" used?--I got my story of that process from the words of the WITNESSES--Martin Harris, Emma Smith and Oliver Cowardly. THEY are the ones that said JS placed the stones in his hat, and had the words IN ENG. appear there.
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Yeah, they just "conned" themselves into extreme persecution. I don't care what he did with his hat, because it doesn't matter if its weird to you. It doesn't seem very weird when you think about it.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
I don't care about the hat thing either. What I care about is the "fruit" that came out of this man. By their fruit shall they be known. The racism shown toward blacks and Native Amerinds; the denigrading of the value and worth of women by subjecting them to the horrors of polygamy and assigning them a place as 2nd class citizens--baby machines, at the whim of their male masters. Now LDS are headed down another rat hole by antagonizing the gays! Totally uncalled for!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Racism towards black? You mean him saying they were cursed? Well, let's look around. Slavery, discrimination, Africa, mass famine, mass plague, mass destruction by the European colonization of Africa. And no, he was not racist toward Native Americans because they were the people of the Book of Mormon and said that god would not suffer the Gentiles to utterly destroy them. You are wrong about sexism in the Church too,spousal abuse is just as common in the Church as out.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Whatever is recorded in the BoM lays at the feet of Joseph Smith, since HE ALONE is the admitted "Author and Propriator" of the book.The words of the book itself tell the story of whether it's racist garbage of not. There are many refferences to the "white and delightsome" being the "righteous" and the "dark and loathsome" being the followers of the Devil! "Racism"--ie., black men BANNED from holding the LDS Priesthooy!
No SEXISM? How many women Apostles are in LDS, Inc.??
42apostate 1 year ago
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dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@42apostate Okay your grammars suck. Byway, I got one word for you to fit , homosexual.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@42apostate Okay your grammars suck. Byway, I got one word for you to fit, homosexual.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@42apostate Okay your grammars suck. Byway, I got one word for you to fit, homosexual. Happy now?
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
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BigRex11 9 months ago
@42apostate
i was reading some of the comments you made and had a few of my own. firstly, how many women apostles were in Christs time? secondly their is DNA evidance that shows people here did come from that area of the world, on the eastern half. dont believe me look up research done by rob meldrum. thirdly, is the fact that so many things are used symbolically in scripture, so how many hebrews do you know that are "White" because that's what color these "whites" had to be.
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
No women apostles that we know of and no place were they were specifically banned from BEING apostles. However there ARE several references to "Prophetesses" in the New Test. Look em up.
I havn't got the time nor the inclination to search Rob's guesswork, especially when I know for a fact that FAIRLDS doesn't agree with Rob in any way, shape of form.
42apostate 9 months ago
@42apostate
there again we can only go off what is written according to you, so we know from according to what is written that only males have the priesthood and are called as apostles, secondly any one can prophecy, that power is not given only to those that hold the priesthood, that power comes from the holyghost, this would in essence make them a prophet or a prophetess. i dont think we really hear about them because to many to day are unconfident in their faith
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
So then Nostradamous and Edward Casey were "prophets". Type "prophet" in google and you'll find THOUSANDS of claimants to prophethood.
42apostate 9 months ago
@42apostate well FAIRLDS was published before meldrujms work so in the scientific world it doesn't carry weight now any ways, the most recent shows that their are three DNA signatures for human beings, african, asian, and european/middleeastern. the native on the west half of the united states show evidence of being asian, but tribes like the iriquoi actually show more evidence of being european.
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
I don't care what the time frame was. Several "scholars from FAIR (Dan Peterson, et. al.) have spoken up AFTER Meldrum's work was published and had nothing good to say about it.
Nice try at sneaking "middle eastern" into the equation. Please provide the references for PRE COLUMBIAN (ANCIENT) "middle eastern" DNA showing up in the Iriquois-or any other Eastern Native American tribes. (OUTSIDE LDS references ONLY). Yes! "European" DNA IS a possibility--but "Middle Eastern"? NAH!
42apostate 9 months ago
@42apostate if you dont look up he meldrum stuff then you really cant say that the DNA evidence is against it becuase you wont look at all the facts that are out there, as for it not being publish, big surprise, most people that arent mormon dont want them to be right. they will take facts for it a brush it a side and say that it isnt credible and or that they dont have time for something like that.
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
RIGHT! ALL scientists in the "genome" field are anti-Mormon!?!? You MUST do something about this LDS generated paranoia you're infected with, Rex!
I HAVE read some of Meldrum's stuff --as well as many LDS claims. It's just another in a long list of theories (hypothisies really) in order to skirt the damaging DNA information re: Amerind/Asian connections--some of which came from BYU DNA investigations!!
42apostate 9 months ago
@BigRex11
Re: Bias. Science as a whole is driven by their "code" of "FALSIFIABILITY". IOW, PROVING hypothies are true by searching for alternate or other possible hypothesies that show the target hypoth. to be wrong. If they can't prove it wrong then the target hypothesis is elevated to "theory" status--until such time as further light is shed.
If you want to find "bias", look no further than articles published by LDS "scholars". WHO has more to gain or lose?? Science doesn't CARE!
42apostate 9 months ago
@42apostate no where are they banned in the church either, apostleship is a calling in the priesthood. the relief society has there own broadcast just like the men have their own broadcasts and the leader of them is a woman by the way. this let receives inspiration, prophecy if you will, for the women in the church. the prophet receives inspiration as a whole.
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11 this would then make Julie B. Beck a prophetess. any one can be a prophet or a prophetess all they have to do is have the holy ghost, this really doesnt even just apply to mormons, you could prophecy if moved upon by the holy ghost.
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
I agree, as I stated earlier. If ANYONE can be a prophet without the priesthooy, why have priesthood? The LDS version of priesthood should more correctly be called, Priest CRAFT, not priesthood. All these LDS concocted, man made rules and policies are totally unnecessary. All we need do is follow Christ's # ONE Commandment, the Golden Rule, to love God and our fellowmen, our brothers and sisters, and do so UNCONDITIONALLY! Learn to do that and we'll be totally acceptable to God.
42apostate 9 months ago
@BigRex11
You don't need the HG to be a prophet. All you need in most cases is INFORMATION.
I'll make a prophecy right here, based 100% on reliable information.
I prophesy that, by the end of summer, this year, the economy of the US (and the world) will be in shambles--that we will be able to neither buy nor sell--that there will be massive civil unrest and riots and gangs looting, looking for food. Be prepared!
The tipping point will be the bad Quarterly Reports due in June and July.
42apostate 9 months ago
@BigRex11
They (women) certainly ARE "banned" from holding the P'hood!--just as much as black men were "banned" (pre-1978). Open your eyes, Rex!
Yes, women DO have the Relief Society. What they DON'T have is AUTONOMY--meaning, they (the women in leadership) are not allowed to make decisions for themselves. They MUST beg their male priesthood overseers for PERMISSION to implement their ideas. This is called a Patriarchy, ie. male domination. Read D&C 121: 39-44--"unrighteous dominion".
42apostate 9 months ago
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BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
I can guarantee you, Rex, that IF there WERE irrefutable evidences of Israelite DNA in PRE-Columbian native Amerinds ANYWHERE on North, South or Central America the news of it would be plastered ALL OVER the web--not to mention making headlines in the Church News AND the Ensign!!
I don't get what point you're trying to make on "white" Hebrews. We can only go by what Joe put in the BoM. You're LDS. You tell ME what was meant by "dark and loathsome" and "white and delightsome".
42apostate 9 months ago
@42apostate the church doesnt really care if man can prove that the book of mormon is correct, that defies the point of religion. i'm willing to bet they wont ever publish anything like that ever. if you take nephi's perspective, the one who wrote the original part about them being white and delightsome and about the lamanites being dark and loathsome you must first take into account that nephi was some one who loved freedom and god
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
Bologny!!
The Church HAS published "findings" in the past. Research the finding of the Book of Abraham paperi found in a New York museum. It was in the Ensign. I was LDS at the time and very excited to think that the Church would be vidicated by the translation of these papri by Egyptologists. Copies were sent out to 4 or 5 Egyptologists. Then---SILENCE. Turns out that the translations had NOTHING TO DO with Abraham. They were common, PAGAN, funeral prayers for the deceased.
42apostate 9 months ago
@BigRex11
Since then, the "bretheren" have remained very silent about anything and everything to do with "proofs".
They KNOW it's all a farce--that anything they attempt to produce will show further proof of the false claims of Mormonism. Why else do you suppose the "bretheren" refuse to answer memb. questions nowadays? This is the reason they set up the apologetic orgs of FAIR and FARMS as a buffer--so THEY (the bretheren) won't have to suffer more humiliation . Good move--from their POV.
42apostate 9 months ago
@BigRex11
Nephi? He was a fictional character from a book of fiction. Never existed. Perhaps he existed in some parallel Universe--but not here. Besides, what would an Asian named Nephi (if he DID exist) know about "freedom and god"--especially the Christian God??
42apostate 9 months ago
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pure00awesomness 9 months ago
@42apostate when he saw the "gentiles" come here he said they were white and delightsome like his people, which had the same skin color as hebrews (if you dont accept that then you are not accepting common sense) but the gentiles had the bible, they feared god and they fought for freedom. the lamanites were said to be lazy and idolatrous meaning they wasted a lot of time and thy didnt grow grain like the nephites did, they just ate meat. remember the story of daniel and his 3 chronies & food?
BigRex11 9 months ago
@BigRex11
Yes, the fictional BoM does have that point in it. But what does "common sense" have to do with a fictional story? That's like trying to apply common sense to the story of Santa giving billions of kids presents and doing it all in ONE NIGHT--not to mention the common sense of fatass Santa lowering himself down millions of chimneys! It's absured!!--just like lamanites and nephites...
42apostate 9 months ago
@42apostate ... Your theory didn't sense at all. Who is Joe? Never heard of him. I meant Golden plate from Moroni hid it and give to Jospeh. He have friend to translation into english so he can write but not Joe. Byway after his transtaion, Everyone in mobs and religious turns against him and his friends in jail. They killed them in second floor. It was brutal. Have you watch the movie, The Work and Glory: American Zion? It all of Jospeh Smith history if you don't believe us.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789
I'm DUNN with you, dunno! Don't bother addressing me as I won't respond. Learn to communicate and maybe I'll change my mind. Good luck and best wishes...
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate I guess you're suck at fact so I not very interest in you. At first, you just random point it out and lies about it then you loss at point of matter of fact... Beside Masterskyrunner is right, you are foolish and useless. Don't bother reply on my comment. Lol yourself,pathetic.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789 And besides that, what is so messed up about the Korihor thing, SO THE JUDGE WROTE AND DIDN'T SPEAK. Big whoop! Plus, just refer to my channel for a video for a more in-depth examination of Section 87 and World Events.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner I have been trying to find Korihor in bible so could you give some page, please?
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789 It's in Alma 30:49-52, the part he's talking about. It's a stupid examination.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
It's only "stupid" because YOU can't explain WHY that problem exists in God's Word, the "most correct book on earth", the Book Of Mormon. If THAT were the ONLY problem with the BoM I'd let you slide on the Kori thingy--but IT'S NOT! It's the "white and delightsome" thing; it's the DNA thing; it's the TOTAL lack of physical evidence thing. That's called a "PREPONDERENCE OF EVIDENCE" against claims made by LDS leaders that BoM is the "word of God" AND the most correct book!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Type in "Semitic Writing in Ancient America" and you will find compelling evidence that Asians possibly came from America.
Man's "knowledge" doesn't compare to the knowledge of God. It's all opinionated in some way when it comes down to it. Why does the Korihor thing matter, who's to say it was a mistake. There's more compelling evidence against the Bible too. Entire Earth flooded over 3 mi high. Monkey evolution? Earth billions yrs old?
(This is my last message to you, good day.)
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Jumping now, to an entirely different subject?!?!
I've already explained why the "Kori" thing matters. You should be able to figure that out without any prompting from me.
Semetic writing, the Bible, the Flood, monkey evolution, age of the earth are all interesting subjects----
but are only being thrown around to distract and DEtract, from the subject. In some areas it's called "blowing smoke". It's a sign of desperation, used when the opposition runs out of arguments.
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Your talking about EVIDENCE, there's my DNA thing opposition that's been thrown under the blanket of the anti-Mormon's DNA thing. Plus, Lehi was from a Greek tribe, so we can effectively throw the Hebrews out of this. Plus, Nephi said that, in 1 Nephi 19:6, if he errs, it is not the err of God, but the weakness which is in him, even if that err is of other men. Also, your examination is still conjured up of opinions.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
No. You were "done" long ago.
ALL truth (that LDS don't like) is ALWAYS "thrown under that blanket"!! Dr David Smith of the Univ. of Cal. is neither a Mormon NOR anti Mormon. LDS has already accepted the DNA findings. Now they hide behind the LGT.
Lehi from a "GREEK TRIBE"? Read 1NE 5:14--Lehi was a descendant of JOSEPH!
1Ne 19:6 is nothing but a copout. Can't trust the words of men who claim to be inspired Prophets who speak the word of God? Then WHY FOLLOW THEM?!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Never mind, I was thinking of someone else. Nephi saying that if a man wasn't strong enough to hear the words of the Lord clearly, that that man should be thrown away?
Still, the Korihor thing is still going on your own opinion and reasoning, so I am inclined to leave it be.
Is it truth? Is it REALLY truth? Are you a believer in the words of man and of the Spirit.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
No. The truth is, re: Korihor, that I am relying 110% on what the "most correct book" actually says about the Kori incident, and ZERO about my opinion of it, nor am I attempting to read between the lines (as you are), and make something of it that is not plainly stated in the story.
Bottom line is that Joseph Smith screwed up his OWN story by not keeping the facts straight about Korihor.
1MoNoMo 1 year ago
@1MoNoMo ...How it impossible if JS screwed up ? I already posted my comments so many times! Oliver Cowdery is transtalor and he also helped Joseph Smith, SERIOUSLY! In the bible, Jospeh Smith History-1:66-75. Read them.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
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@1MoNoMo Ah yes Mr. D has it: "When Korihor walking around in the town while he was still muting. Many people wrote him to asked him if he is cursed by God as he wrote it back an yes. Many of people was hurried to prayed to repented." There it is.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner I readied about Korihor (sorry I was suppose to reply back but I having a party with my family), he won't believe in god so he asked Alma to prove him that God is exisit. Alma did tell him,"This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou shalt be struck dumb according to my word; and I say, that in the name of God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance" after he spoke, Korihor can't talk because God cursed him to be mute.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner When Korihor walking around in the town while he was still muting. Many people wrote him to asked him if he is cursed by God as he wrote it back an yes. Many of people was hurried to prayed to repented.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@42apostate Heh, all this talk of "evidence", is it not evidence enough that the Holy Spirit witnesses to me, and to all people, the truthfulness of all things without the help of evidence and the sightings of the learned. Search in the way of a clean heart as the dwelling of the Spirit. I'm done here.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
All the people that followed David Koresh also had the idea that facts were no good so they relied on the "spirit" to guide them. How did that turn out?
Why didn't you explain to dumooooo123 that Korihor could hear just fine and didn't need to get "notes" from ANYBODY. They could TALK to him and he could hear cuz he was NOT DEAF. To answer them he HAD to write "notes". WOW!! Some people are REALLY thick...
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate I doesn't matter if they "wrote" instead of spoke, anyway how was he supposed to get across to that judge first that he could hear, and to anyone else first before they wrote back.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
As I said TWICE now, Kori could have written a note to the judge saying that he could hear. OR wrote a note to hang around his neck, "I CAN'T TALK, BUT I CAN HEAR!!"
Everyone in the area should have known Kori's condition anyway since Amla struck Kori DUMB (can't talk).
It "matters" because Joe the prophet of God said that the BoM was the "most correct book on earth".
If it's not, he shouldn't have said it was...
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Excuse me. You the one saying ,"Mormon Cult!". Beside I can't standing while your false amuses against Mormon. Seriously, at first, I was replied on your comment when I was nice but nooo, you just blow up and amused that I am one of Mormon cult which that was insulting me. i was right about Kori but you keep saying about Joseph is false prophet in your unspoken book but where it come from ? It's from your head. Okay, Mr.42apostate. Your commenting in here isn't going change us.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
Beside, if Joe or Joseph (whatever you believe in) didn't translated the bible then whom will ? How we know about Jesus Christ in first place and Heavenly Father? Without both of them, we possibly in Allan, Zeus or any other Gods by now. But now, I. DON'T. CARE. WHAT. YOU. SAID. OH. OKAY. HON!
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@42apostate Doesn't matter which churches are true but we all have same God to believe then what's point to hate Mormon or calling cult.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789 Sorry but that's not quite true. The christian god Is the one true eternal living god. The mormon god of earth is only a man who was richeous on his own planet at some time in the past and was made a god by his man/god at the time. The mormons do not believe in any true god. They have their own. Ask a mormon. They believe they will become gods after they die and have their own planet to rule. The bible states many times that there is only one god who is eternal.
chopppacalamari 1 year ago
@chopppacalamari I was made a example that without translate from bass plate then we possibly don't know who is our God. Entire of races have many different religions to believe in.
About becoming God, you can become God but you need learn the teaching of Lord or Gospel from Lord. Lord had done everything on the earth. Now you and all of us in this world have are learning step by step. One requirement is marriage, because being God can't be alone without wife. Y know how feel like?
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@chopppacalamari Have you heard of Jesus have his wife? I was shocked when I heard from one of friends and movie. I didn't know all along. They said the king ripped the pages from bible.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789 I suppose that's in the book of mormon is it?
chopppacalamari 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789
You can actually READ??
Korihor in the Bible??
Some scholar YOU are!?!?!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate ...I'm not, just civilzen but you...pffft are not scholar as such horrible teacher.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Yep! Brush Korihor story off as unimportant...I guess that's all you CAN do, really...
42apostate 1 year ago
Omiolo.
I have to laugh every time you allude to how others are dishonest--infering that you are NOT!! LMAO!!!
You are not the most dishonest Mormon I've encountered here on YT. That title would HAVE to go "MormonAnswerMan"!! Sorry!!
By the way, who is "Michael"??
1MoNoMo 1 year ago
@1MoNoMo Aww... Did someone get owned by the MAM.
Need a hug?
(Michael is the Archangel of Heaven who fought of the Devil and his serpents, first man on Earth, second created in Heaven, today we know him as Adam)
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Yeah I DO need a hug--but not by masterskydaddy. (Is that your alter-ego, omiolo?)
How does "getting owned" equate to being banned from MAM's video for asking difficult questions?
Someone called him MormonAnswerLESSman, which is about right. He's as much a fraud as his church...
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate lol, You probably cussed your keyboard's keys off, you know he doesn't tolerate that.
Plus, if i was Omiolo's alter-ego, I'd probably be a hater.
Is 42apostate an alter-ego of 1MoNoMo?
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Yes it is. I've admitted it before, so it's no secrete. I had problems logging into the MoNo acct (passw'd problems) so I opened another. As soon as I get the MoNo acct straight I plan on closing this one. Is all this okay with you?
If not I'll leave it like it is.
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate I see.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
LOL!!! You're "right!! He's the YouTube LOONY-TUNE!!
Cussin' with Omiolo? No, not at all. A few insults back and forth, but no swearin --as far as I remember.
My main problem with ol' omiolo is that I would back his butt into a corner and he'd try changing the subject or not respond to direct questions.
The last straw was about 10-11 months ago. Talking Book of Mormon stuff--That Joseph Smith made it up, and I used Korihor as an example.
(cont)
42apostate 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner Alma struck Kori dumb (but not deaf), right?--according to the BoM text.
But Joseph Smith has Alma writing notes to Korihore!! WHY--when Korihor could HEAR just fine--Alma could TALK to Kori and be heard by Kori because Kori was struck DUMB, not deaf. It was KORI that needed to write notes to ALMA! Got the picture?
Joe supposedly translated the BoM "by the gift and power of God", Right? Would God have made that kind of a stupid mistake? NO!
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42apostate 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
But Mormon or Moroni MAY have made the mistake in their original recording of the incident ,or whoever authored it, but when God gave it to Joseph Smith God would have corrected it, Right?
Do you see the problem? So the problem HAS to be owned by Joseph Smith--meaning HE MADE THE BOM UP! Well, I tried and tried to get omiolo to explain this huge discrepancy to me but he would ALWAYS avoid answering me--which is the reason I called him "dishonest" (above).
42apostate 1 year ago
So, anyway, that's my problem with omiolo. I promised omiolo, that every time I ran into him on YT that I would remind him of the Korihore problem--and I DO!!
Sorry for taking the space to tell the story, but it is interesting--and one that may be of interest to you, OR to others here. Have you heard of this "problem" before? Lemmeno, K?
I'd repeat the story for dunnooooo1234789 but I don't think he/she is capable of grasping it!!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate U only person making a execuse out of yourself. Go to college so u can learn some langange of our country.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
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42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Also, might you clarify where this is. I could look it up myself, but you could tell me.
I have to read to answer.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
My BoM Index has it as Page 269, which equals out to Alma 30.
By the way. Look closely at Korihor's response to the hp Giddonah. I feel exactly like Korihor does, except for the "God " and "Christ" parts. As far as Mormon Leadership keeping the members in "bondage" and "glutting themselves by the labors of the members", I agree 100%.
Another interesting thing is the total lack of "freedom of speech" and no such thing as allowing all men to believe what they will--AF #11
42apostate 1 year ago
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masterskyrunner 1 year ago
Korihor was dumbfounded, he couldn't speak, or give utterance, and KORIHOR wrote notes to Alma.
The chief judge asked, in writing, asked, "Art thou convinced of the power of God?"
Korihor put forth his hand and wrote, "I know that I am dumb, for I cannot speak; and I know that nothing save it were the power of God-etc."
Perhaps Korihor couldn't comprehend words spoken either, or perhaps the judge believed this. But, remember, Mormon abridged the Book, so alot of it might not have survived.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Hi!
We can ONLY GO by what is written in the BoM. If Korihor couldn't hear OR UNDERSTAND, the author of it would have said "deaf and dumb". Since only "dumb" was used we know he could not speak. Why is it reasonable think that he could understand the WRITTEN words but not the spoken? His brain was fine, except for speech.
Read again what I said above starting with "But Mormon or Moroni MAY...".
Would God pass on to JS something erroneous? NOPE!
Joseph MADE IT ALL UP.
42apostate 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
No, Kori wrote notes to the judge. If I said he wrote to Alma, I was mistaken.
It doesn't matter because the screw up is still alive and well regardless to whom he wrote the notes.
Except that it was the judge that wrote to Kori, thinking that he couldn't hear when he could. If I were Kori, I'd have alerted the judge, "HEY!! I can hear you! No need to write me notes." But since it's a made up story
it's all moot anyway.
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate Made up story eh, what about when Nephi prophesied of the US as a world super-power: "and it shall be above all other nations"? What about when Smith prophesied of the American Civil War of 1861 telling of the EXACT state, South Carolina, that would rebel against the Union. How was Smith to know that the Confederacy would call upon Great Britain of all nations? Slaves shall rise up against their masters to be marshaled and disciplined for war. But since it is a made up story...
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
I've read the Nephi "prphecy before and NOWHERE does it say the "US".
Smith Civil War? It was common Knowledge at the time that civil war was imminent AND that it waould start at SC. ALL common knofwledge stuff at the time.
Many slaves sided with the south too. Made up malarkey.
1MoNoMo1 1 year ago
@1MoNoMo1 ... Do you want start fight with me? I need some psych help?
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@1MoNoMo1 No, it say the nation that shall inherit this land shall be above all other nations in the latter-days.
Do you what wasn't common knowledge at the time and what wasn't mentioned in the newspaper? That the South would send a plan to Great Britain in order to help them, GB was primed for war, sending supplies and inspectors to the South(watch Gettysburg movie for modern day reference). The French also lent oral support when the Union blockaded their ports, yet too weak for war. cont-
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@1MoNoMo1 c- The British and French surprisingly allied up for their assault on the abusive Americans. The Trent Affair followed and Britain REALLY considered war. The French refused to help the South after many key Union victories. The French sent troops to Mexico, sparking the Franco-Mexican War, pulling out after the Civil War. The F-M War is already spilled out upon many nations. Slaves rising up: runaway slaves and freed northerner blacks joined up in regiments, starting at the 54th Mass R.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@1MoNoMo1 cont- Going back to the French and British orally allying up, we go ahead 50 years to 1914 when a Serbian nationalist killed the Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, next in line for the Austrian throne, this sparked World War One when Austria declared war on Serbia. Serbia called upon Russia, who called Britain and France(allied), making the Triple Entente. The British called upon many other nations as well, who didn't join until 1917-18. cont.-
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@1MoNoMo1 cont The Austrians called upon Germany and the Ottoman Empire, making the Triple Alliance, or Central Powers. The result of the war was Germany was ruined and suppressed by the Allies' LoN, this was the rise of Hitler, causing another World War. The rise of Hitler and Germany's destruction is mention in D&C Section 87:5. the next verse, in a way, mention of the breaking up of all nations, which happened both after WW1 and WW2.
Good thing I'm a student of post-Colombian-pre-Cold War.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner Man, I forgot to mention why France went to war with Mexico, they went to war to gain a foothold in their primed invasion of the United States.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Good job on American history! But I'm afeared that AH has nothing to do with Joseph's imaginings.
I'll study JS prophecy on it a bit more.
SO...do we just ignore the Korihor problem?? It's STILL there, defying an explanation--PLENTY of excuses, but, alas no rational, real, explanation. YEP! If ya can't explain it--ignore it...and the problem just disappears--kindalike those treasures Joseph promised to find for the farmers, eh?!
42apostate 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
LOL!! All you're doing is imposing Mormonism onto history.
"All nations broke up? That was part of JS' prophecy, but what was the fulfillment of that part again?? WHO "broke up"? And where is it recorded that there were fierce and vivid lightnings? and famine? the "inhabitants of the earth" would suffer? ALL of them? Who says so?? Resulting in the "end of all nations? As I see it all the nations involved are still around 150 years later!
"Blood of the saints"?? WTF?!
42apostate 1 year ago
@42apostate READ THE FREAKING PROPHECY THEN COMPARE IT WITH WHAT I JUST SAID. It makes sense that a chain reaction would cause all this; a rope of iron doesn't need to bind all prophecies.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner
Well, at least not when it's inconvienient for Mormonism.
OH!! So it was a prophecy about the last days and NOT about the Civil War.
Let ME make a similar Prophecy. I predict that unless we stop imposing Capitalism on all the worlds people
and stop our oil-generated wars we (the USA) will, by 2015, collapse economically and in every other way, as a nation, and will suffer a Civil War all over again, starting in Washington D.C.
Not hard to do at all.
42apostate 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner Hey ignore that idiot. He won't listen to us because he is too arrogent, anyway.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789 Yeah, he thinks that a prophecy can ONLY consist of one thing, not a chain reaction of minor events in something that is a lot bigger, like the way France and Britain just got that little nudge in the Civil War to make them friendly enough to ally and enter WWI together with Russia, just the way that man, Joseph Smith, said it would.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner Best to ignore this loser because he don't know what is WW means and arrogent. Well I let it go.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
@dunnooooo1234789 I suppose.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner If he reply you back then just ignore him. He just trying to make you look mad so leave him alone.
dunnooooo1234789 1 year ago
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42apostate 1 year ago