How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
Science is... everything. From each breath that we take to the most complex engine or computer. From the most basic single cell organisms to the vastness of the universe. It gives us everything because it is about everything that ever existed or will ever exist.
If you love something, either in nature or technology then you are a scientist. You don't need a PhD to be a scientist, just passion and a desire to learn.
Free-thinking has become overrated in recent years. A free thinker can simply be a person unstrapped from the bounds of any major ideology. They can be cryptozoologists, conspiracy nuts, or even ghost hunters. You get FAR better results with SCIENCE and the SCIENTIFIC METHOD; good observation, controlled experimentation, and peer review.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
Sadly, (in my memory) nothing of Dawkins' atheist works (documents, speeches, lectures etc.) have not been aired in Finland. Finland, that has abot half it's population as atheists or otherwise secular, but ~80% belong to a religious group. Where the heads, all of them, of most powerful parties see praying as just as an efficient way to do good as rolling your sleeves up and taking action in case of catastrophies or such. The country of technology and science needs representing atheists.
we all need to speak the language of science in order to understand life in our highly scientifically influenced modern world...a world so heavily shaped by science,not understanding science in this century is like not knowing how to read in the last...
@MyPersonalFavourites You ask what is correct belief to me. Well, I try to stick to believing things for which there is verifiable evidence. The world and the universe are absolutely startling in their beauty and variety, but what's so incredible is how much better our understanding is now than it was even 100 years ago. The scientific method of critical thinking, rigorous research and observation have proved incredibly fruitful. It knocks the socks off superstition and hokum.
@MyPersonalFavourites I have read the Koran. I'm sorry to say, but I found the Koran to be a witless, tiresome diatribe filled with endless threats and promises. Where it wasn't complete hokum it was wrong anyway and/or the ideas were typical of what was widely believed at the time. The Koran is a hoax.
@MyPersonalFavourites You gave the analogy of a ball and the universe and concluded that as one was made so too the other. Unfortunately, the important difference is the ball maker exists in the same way the ball does, God does not. If God is not detectable in any scientific way its seems a bit rich to then say this peculiarly elusive God is the fantastically, viciously jealous God of the Abrahamic traditions. The ‘holy’ texts are more likely just terrifying fables for controlling people.
The Abrahamic religions are all a sickness in the head and people should stop believing in it! They are all quite mad - their cults began with a man willing to behead his own son because he heard voices in his own head! Come on everyone, get a bloody grip. This nonsense has gone far enough. This crazy idea is that they can, or even should, kill completely innocent people. Abraham set the tone and it doesn't reassure me he went for hacking at his son's penis instead. IT'S OBVIOUSLY CRAZY!
how could anyone dislike this video, you'd have to be one hell of an anti-intellectual bigot to dis a video saying how awesome science is. how arrogant and disrespectful. very uncool
@MyPersonalFavourites Eh? How the hell can I convince myself about existence of something that defies every possible law in the universe? Believe me newbie, I would love to believe in something supernatural, something that would ensure everything has a clear meaning and so on, but then there is this problem called rational thinking. I can`t fall into wishfull thinking and fairytales because they are not real. Science however, is real, it gives concrete answers, religion does not. Snap out of it.
@MyPersonalFavourites I'm guessing you know very little about both science and the Quran. Read your book and when I say read it I mean actually READ it from cover to cover, then listen to lectures from both side of the argument of the origins of life, Science and Religion, then you'll have my permission(lol) to speak about whatever you believe is the truth. I hope that you conclude that science is on the right track.
@bogdan4550 - Spoken like a true righteous Christian...WWJD about your filthy mouth, hmm, probably slap you so hard your grandmother would feel it...now that I'd pay to see...LOL
Has the Roman Church made a deal with Islam? Are our children to be sold into slavery between them? Is this the secret about the fall of Africa and the Americas? The free people were sold into slavery by the Muslims and slaughtered by the Roman Church. Is it the other way round this time?
Western culture has long been under attack from many skilfully crafted narratives, especially those originating from the Roman Church and much less well crafted by Islamic clerics. The former have long had such a hold on the American left that ‘educated’ Americans ‘ought’ to view their history with antipathy, self hatred and shame. The Muslim clerics have no hesitation in reinstating and supporting open hatred of Jews and ‘unbelievers’. This is how Africa and South America fell!!!
I will continue with my post in a separate part as I pressed the wrong button... Science is all about looking at the evidence in front of us and saying this is our most reasonable conclusion where as religion is blind faith in a book written by an unknown author who does not provide references of his work
I'm sure everyone always argues about religion on videos about science because religion is the exact opposite view point of the origins of life and where it's going.
@JezusSlave - Why would I sacrifice myself to myself, to change a law that i made?
This is the logic behind the Christian faith, be it Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, whatever one of the over 3,000 iterations you pick, it's plain STUPID...not to mention the evidence for Jesus even existing is flimsy at best! Use your brain for a change, the Bible makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!
THIS IS PROOF THAT ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SACRAMENTS!!!
youtube. com/ watch?v =jqsRDD6kXWY
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
@JezusSlave - Why would I sacrifice myself to myself, to change a law that i made?
This is the logic behind the Christian faith, be it Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, whatever one of the over 3,000 iterations you pick, it's plain STUPID...not to mention the evidence for Jesus even existing is flimsy at best! Use your brain for a change, the Bible makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!
@JezusSlave - I "fancy" him to appear to everyone in the world, where we can all see him, talk to him, touch him, you know, communicate without a doubt...but do you know why that will never happen...because he isn't real.
If you find comfort in deluding yourself into believing in the IMAGINARY MAN IN THE SKY...then what point is there to having any conversation with you...you are not going to anylitcally look at these claims, you have closed your mind to reality. Have a good day
@JezusSlave - I am not blessing or hating something that does not exist, i.e. god. Too bad you can't prove any proof of this god you speak of, other than referring to a movie, that is not proof, it's a movie...period. Provide me with concrete proof, it hasn't happened yet, but if you have it, share it with all of us.
@JezusSlave - personal experiences are not proof...proof is something that anyone can reproduce anytime, any place, that does not apply to Fatima or any supposed miracle. Try again.
@JezusSlave - I have nothing to repent for, and I certainly wouldn't bow down to the god of the Christian Bible, he is one of the most malicious characters in all of literature, truly and evil egotistical maniac.
@bogdan4550 - Spoken like a true righteous Christian...WWJD about your filthy mouth, hmm, probably slap you so hard your grandmother would feel it...now that I'd pay to see...LOL
@JezusSlave Fatima!? You are too funny! Too bad you won't have an afterlife to realize that you wasted the one life we know we have. Any god that exists would understand that he didn't provide any evidence of people to believe in. Your religion has already been disproven.... too bad you only watch videos that support your way of t hinking, other wise you would be agreeing with us instead of sticking your head in the sand. Agnosticism is the best that the religious can do. Agnosticism, not theism
@JezusSlave - Your mind truly has been enslaved, but not in a good way...wouldn't you rather believe in the truth than in made up stories that have no proof or evidence to back them up! Religion offers no answers, and doesn't like to be questioned, therefore you should be extremely suspicious of it.
Still, I guess its a PR war and your gotta beat the religious right at their own game. Maybe the next instalment should be feature religiously-backwards middle-American characters complete with it own theme song. A teen drama series - Dawsons Creek meets Wildfire - could feature awkward teenagers coming to terms with the god delusion.
Isn't scary that up to 40% of Americas believe in creationism? The scientists have got themselves a fancy film with Richard Dawkins to convince them...Its just a shame the films graphics makes it feel a bit cultish at times...
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS THIS IS PROOF THAT ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SACRAMENTS!!!
youtube. com/ watch?v =jqsRDD6kXWY
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
@JezusSlave - Why would I sacrifice myself to myself, to change a law that i made?
This is the logic behind the Christian faith, be it Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, whatever one of the over 3,000 iterations you pick, it's plain STUPID...not to mention the evidence for Jesus even existing is flimsy at best! Use your brain for a change, the Bible makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Why don´t you tell these words to Newton, Kepler, Galileo, Oresme, Pasteur, Mendel, Boyle, Stokes, Lord Kelvin, Planck, Fleming, Von Neumann, Lemaitre, Bohr, Heisenberg, Al-Juarismi, Alhacen, Pope Sylvester II, Euler, Gauss, Riemann, Pascal, Leibnitz, Asa Gray, Linneus, Copernicus, Nikola Tesla, Pierre Duhem, Angelo Secchi, Mateo Ricci, Francis Collins, Jerome Le Jeune, etc etc? What an embarrassment! Nobel Prizes, Fathers of the Modern Science, muslim medieval mathematicians...
@Teltaminoru - Perhaps because they are dead! Don't know exactly what you are trying to say, but if you're referring to a god and its existence, I welcome any proof, but until then, I find NO GOOD REASON to believe such dribble. Have a good day.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS What I said it´s simple and understandable... if religion is an embarrassment to human intelligence (as you said before)... How was posible that a lot of Science men, Reason men, Intelligent men like the ones I listed... believed in God? The key point in this case, is not a "proof for the existence of God", with or without that proof, there were, and are now, Intelligent people who believe in God. Apparently, they did found a good reason to believe in Him.
@Teltaminoru - I would imagine that if some of those men, depending on the time in which they lived, said they did not believe in god, would have been murdered by a religious group, as was the common practice in Copernicus', Pope Sylvester II, Galileo's time. Anymore than Einstein did not believe in a personal god, most people "want" to believe it's so, but they only believe because they want to believe, not because of any proof. Why do you believe in a god? Do you apply that to anything else?
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS It doesn´t matter if they believed in God because they wanted or because they had "proofs" of their Faith, the fact is that they believed in God. Your theory about "being murdered" by religious group is funny. In those times, specifically in the Middle Ages, Saint Thomas Aquinas postulated his five ways to prove that God exists... Why did he do that, if people were supossed FORCED to believe? Why argue? Do you have a sample of a man who was murdered because he was an atheist?
@Teltaminoru - Did you ever hear of the Inquistion? What was that other than FORCED belief...Don't believe our way or we kill you...it was that simple. Galileo was imprisoned for the rest of his life for showing the Earth revolved around the Sun, the Christian church didn't like that...religion retards learning and turns those that follow it into retards!
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The Inquisition!!! We could talk a lot about the Inquisition, not only in Spain but in America too. But let´s focus in Galileo case. He didn´t show the Earth revolved around the Sun, he said it, as Copernicus, and the CATHOLIC BISHOPS Nicholas of Oresme and Nicholas of Cusa had done before. Galileo had no proofs of his assertions, and the Church requested him to not-teaching that as an absolute 100% proved fact. He didn´t obey, and thats the reason of his prosecution.
@Teltaminoru - Math/science proves Galileo right, the Church didn't want to accept the fact that their mythology was wrong. As for you believing in god, first you have to define god, there are thousands of gods, you too are an Atheist, I just happen to believe in one less than you! And I will bet the reason you believe as you do has to due with 2 factors, 1 geography, where you were born, and your family's religion you were indoctrinated into as a child, before you could choose.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Galileo was right about the movement of the Earth, but he was wrong about the "proof" of the movement are the tides. The God we are talking about is the Christian God, of course, it was the Catholic Church who prosecuted Galileo. And there is no christian mithology about the movement of the planet, like I said, two catholic bishops before Galileo said that the Earth moves: Nicholas of Oresme and Nicholas of Cusa. Were they condemmed for that...?
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Let´s talk about that phrase of yours. Richard Dawkins says that: "you too are an Atheist, I just happen to believe in one less than you"... What an antimathematical phrase! We all deny that any value applies for the Pi number, except 3.1416... Would you say you can deny one more value? No, my friend! The equation 10=5x has the 2 as a solution. You cannot go a "value further" and deny the number 2 is the solution of the equation... is shameful that a scientist says that.
@Teltaminoru - I agree with you, what happened to the Native peoples when the European invaded North America is horrible. But what the Church did was equally horrible, and they continue to do it today! The Pope not condoning condoms for people in Africa that are spreading AIDS through pure ignorance is an abomination. Religion is like a cancer, it's parasitic and spreads like cancer a mental cancer.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The History of native americans is a large topic. Here in Mexico, my country, were actually the franciscan friars, dominican friars, the ones who defended the indians against the spanish soldiers and "encomenderos". Do you know about the work of Bartolome de las Casas, Antonio de Montesinos, Vasco de Quiroga? And the education! Don´t you know about the Jesuit Universities? Even today!, The University of Georgetown, by example, is a jesuit catholic institution!
@Teltaminoru - I am very aware of the Jesuit's, I was raised Roman Catholic, I even attended Seminary for awhile, then I realized all the stuff I was being taught had no evidence, only speculation, and self-perpetuation by the church...I was Catholic until I reached the age of reason! Perhaps one day soon it too will dawn on you that what you believe is a lie, but we all have to find our own way, it just takes longer for some.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS I´m a mexican catholic, my friend. I had a lot of doubts and I almost become an atheist some years ago. But reason and science have nothing to do here. I always had, in home, scientific books next to religious books. The truth is there are a lot of logic arguments for the existence of God, there are miracles... I would love to see atheist science trying to prove wrong some of them... there are ex-atheist who become believers,,, C.S. Lewis, Messori, Frossard, Psichari, Foucauld..
@Teltaminoru - Miracles are 99.9% of the time a personal experience, cannot be reproduced, so it is not valid proof of anything other than the delusion in that persons own mind. You can believe whatever you want, but for me, I want to know that what I believe is the truth, and not just something being passed on through tradition. Religion doesn't want to be questioned, which means to me, it has no answers...it's all mythology, no matter which one you choose, they are all wrong.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS About the miracles, nothing better -for me- than the case of Dr. Alexis Carrel, Nobel Prize Medicine 1912... he did saw a miracle. That percent you put to us is not a scientific percent, is it? I think there is more than "personal experience" behind the thing...
@Teltaminoru - Regrettably for those claiming miracles, they can never prove them, and when examined closely, they can be explained away, nothing supernatural happening, ever.
@Teltaminoru - All miracles come from religious sources, which only tells me, it job security for the priests and church, no verifible evidence has ever been presented, if it had it would be on every TV network in the world and the front page of every credible newspaper, but it has not, because there is no evidence.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Well, Alexis Carrel was not a "religious source".. but why do you worry so much? There is no problem. You won´t believe in miracles no matter how many people testify it. But one thing is true: if miracles were something easy to prove as a delusion... Would you need to have arguments against it?
I mentioned the case of Carrel because he was a prominent atheist doctor... he saw an immediate recovery of a woman who was hopeless
@Teltaminoru - "Some Things You Won't Learn About In Church-Christians/Muslims/Atheist " put this in YouTube search and watch it...then tell me what you believe has any validity.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS I was going to say that it is me who decides what I watch... not you. But, well, let´s have the New Year inquisitive attitude. Wait for my comments there!
@Teltaminoru - Again, one person, can't be reproduced, not everyone can see it or did see it...no evidence, just storytelling...sorry not buying into it.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS There is one more thing about miracles. Of course they can´t be reproduced... miracles are not a natural events. There are even natural events that cannot be reproduced -Can you reproduce an entire human body with all the elements of the Periodic Table in your hands?- I repeat my question: How many miracles have you studied, scientifically? Lourdes? Guadalupe? Incorrupt bodies? Healings? Fatima? I have studied some of them, and believe me... science isn´t enough as a tool
@Teltaminoru That is unmittigated horse-crap. That Carrel found something he couldn't explain is evidence that he couldn't explain it, nothing more. You're going to have to do much better than that.
@gamesbok Ja ja, so, do you think I´m "going to have to do much better"... Why? Am I obligate? I think you should do something better than using second-rater expressions like "horse-crap". Any ignorant can say that. Intelligent people are better. About Carrel, let´s clear the point: Not only him, science couldn´t explain that, and today it can´t. I´m only saying what happened to Carrel, I´m not his lawyer, I wasn´t there. You´re not forced to believe it. Drink some ice tea and calm down.
@Teltaminoru You are claiming a miracle, and the burden of proof rests with you, and you have presented an anecdote. As Hume showed there can be no miracles, although Hume believed the fact that people believed miracles was a miracle.
@gamesbok You´re totally wrong. I have no burden at all. I say what I BELIEVE, and I don´t feel myself compromised to proof anything. I can say WHY do I believe, the reasons that take me to believe, and I don´t pretend that my reasons are a kind of rule for everyone else. Hume SAID there can be no miracles, he didn´t prove anything. Hume had his personal viewpoints, and I just have mine. I think miracles actually exist, and the case of Carrel is a ocurred fact, not an "anecdote".
@Teltaminoru I'm sure you do believe it. The disbelief in miracles is the null hypothesis, and the burden of proof still rests with you. Good luck with that.
@gamesbok Clearly, my friend, this is a beliefs encounter. You believe that I have a "burden of proof". I believe I don´t, because I think that the existence of God, as much as His miracles, CAN´T BE proven, so there is no possible proof, and therefore, no "burden of proof". You believe in your statement, I believe in mine.
@Teltaminoru Don't confuse two issues. Of course you have a burden of proof, and as a good Catholic you should know that in 1905 Pope Pius X defined exactly what would be required to establish that proof.
@gamesbok Well, I don´t think I have a burden of proof... that´s your theory. About Pius X, and the rest of the Popes, an important part of their theological educations comes from Thomas of Aquinas Theology. And since Aquinas called his five famous assertions, five WAYS (not the five "proofs") for the existence of God, we are even. If there is something "required" and not "acquired" to establish the proof, is because the catholic teachings says that FAITH is REQUIRED to believe in God.
@Teltaminoru Indeed, as Popper would say, God isn't a falsifiable proposition. Miracles, on the other hand, are. That faith is required to believe is a tautology, and none of the Schoolmen were banal enough to publish tautologies.
@gamesbok Well, friend, if you want a proof, and you think I could have one and I have, therefore, a "burden of proof", you´re talking to the wrong person. I don´t have a proof, I don´t think the existence of God can be proven, so I feel no burden at all. Of course Faith is required to believe in god, as much as natural reason. Catholic Dogmatic Theology.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS It is false that Religion doesn´t want to be questioned. I don´t know much about other religions, but in the Roman catholicism, there have been hundreds or thousands of catholic writers, thinkers, monks, theologians, who have questioned their own religion. Theology, is, precisely, the analysis and questioning of the faith. Apologetics is the defense of the Faith, and believe me, there are a lot of books and articles defending the faith against the atheists
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS But I think the opposite is correct. If you care about the Truth, look for God, Who is the Truth itself. If you care a bit about science, atheism is for you, if you care a lot... religion is for you. Pasteur said: "A bit of science distances one from God, but much science nears one to Him". I´ll give you a sample against your case. If religion doesn´t want to be questioned... why am I here, being questioned and answering?
@Teltaminoru - Are you the Pope, are you a priest, a cardinal, bishop, etc...have you written any canons into the Catholic faith? If not, you are merely a member of an organization, period. Question your priest sometime, see how he reacts...I have NO use for religion in my life. I lead a good life without the need for superstiions, it's an unnecessary burden to carry around in life, I found that our years and years ago. If it works for you, good, but not for me.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Oh, yes, the Religion, Faith, Sacraments, Gospels... have worked for me my entire life! I don´t need to be the Pope, the same way you don´t need to win the Nobel Prize for like science and proofs.
@Teltaminoru why do sheep like youself feel the need to post on such matters of science, is this because you are full of self doubt, knowing full well that theres no gandelf in the sky thats going to stop this liberating movement of freethought. you posted a few times, perhaps your ready to come over to the bright side. remember you use science on a daily bases so dont be so hypocritical to come on here spouting nonsense. so if youve no doubts stop posting and gandelf will take care of it.
@kram83au Happy New Year for you too! Speaking about doubts, I have one: Who are you to tell me to stop posting? What if I don´t obey you? I talk about science because I like science, I´m an engineer, I´m the webmaster of cienciayreligion-dot-org, a Science&Religion website. Of course I have doubts, that´s part of human nature, and some of my doubts have been answered by the Faith in Jesus Christ. I don´t expect you to understand that, and I don´t need your permission to post.
@kram83au Happy New Year for you too! Speaking about doubts, I have one: Who are you to tell me to stop posting? What if I don´t obey you? I talk about science because I like science, I´m an engineer, I´m the webmaster of cienciayreligion-dot-org, a Science&Religion website. Of course I have doubts, that´s part of human nature, and some of my doubts have been answered by the Faith in Jesus Christ. I don´t expect you to understand that, and I don´t need your permission to post.
@Teltaminoru oh dear, you really should know better, my guess is you were indoctronated at a young age, and thats criminal. REVEAL TO ME THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER AND THERE YOU SHALL FIND GOD.
@kram83au I was EDUCATED, my friend, not only in religion but in human values and science too. Is that less criminal? The idea of the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is an absurd... Do you think you can debunk God with that? The problem here, is that God is not just an idea (as your monster), God is an obvius consequence of the Order, Existence and Trascendence of the Universe, there is a LOGIC THINKING that takes some people to believe in God.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Finally, I disagree, absolutely, with your prejudice about the religion "like mental cancer", the most important scientists in the History have been believers. Today there are a lot of them. About the Pope and condoms in Africa... How many africans are catholic? Do you think the entire African continent recognizes the Pope as an authority? A lot of them are muslims. The Pope speaks against the war too, and Africa is envolved in war all the time...
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Why do I believe in God? My friend, because I don´t believe in chance. And... if God doesn´t exist, the Universe is the result of a mere chance... you don´t believe in God, well, I don´t believe in chance. The Logic tells me there is a cause before an effect, that the Universe doesn´t exist just because.
@Teltaminoru - You believe in god because your family indoctrinated you into a religion before you had a chance to grow up and make a critical decision about the mythology they were teaching you...you know that is true. Where were you born and what religion was your family?
@Teltaminoru - Do you believe the brakes in your car are going to stop you, or do you rely on the science that is proven to stop your car. Do you believe the plane you are in will just stay in the air because you believe it will, or do you trust the science that built the plane? There is a big difference between believing somthing to be so and it actually being so! When you can provide me with proof of god, then I will believe it, but not until then. I also care that what I believe is the truth.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Not a problem. How many times do we trust in something without a proof? If I take a plane, even when I have a proof of the plane effectiveness... what is my proof of the pilot effectiveness? what is my proof of the good weather? I don´t have proof of that. I like blue color... Do I need a scientific proof in order to can like it? I believe in God because I believe the things happen because some reason... proofs? There are no proofs, only logic arguments and Faith.
@Teltaminoru - No, you believe in god because you don't have an explanation for your question...when you replace belief with logic and research, you have effectively given up, stopped learning. There is NO proof of a god existing to this day, not one shred of evidence, none! You only believe because it makes you feel comfortable...I would rather know what I think to be real as actually being real than putting in under the "faith" umbrella...that is illogical.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS My friend, I know why do I believe in God. You don´t. You are not me, you are not inside my mind, you can´t read my mind. I believe in God because I believe the Universe cannot be explained without God... reasoning, analizing, thinking... You talk a lot about proofs and science, so tell me: Do you have a proof that I believe in God just for "feeling comfortable" things...? What is the proof of your reading-minds powers?
@Teltaminoru - No, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of flight hours on record, documenting that planes operate, there is NO documentation of your claimed god's existence...the Bible is not a source for proof, it's an old book written in the Bronze age, period. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof...you have provided ZERO proof...you believe out of ignorance not out of logic...you don't know what logic means.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS But there is also a record of accidents, plane crash, even terrorists who kidnap airplanes... my friend. You CANNOT live without taking something WITHOUT a proof, that is a fact. When you´re in a restaurant, do you make a chemical analysis before eat? Do you have a proof that the food is not poisoned? I don´t need documentation for believe in God, the same way I don´t need documentation for like the blue color. God is not a scientific claim, I believe in Him by Faith.
@Shirleyxia74 - yes, the lack of intelligence as well. It seems when religion plays into the scheme of things, all logic and reason are dismissed, it's quite puzzling, but then religion plays on fear, guilt, sex and ignorance above all else.
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS If you stopped for a moment and looked up from your equations you might notice that religious fanaticism is on the rise. Our entire civilisation and everything we cherish is being threatened. The West created the first universal language, science. Along with this is our culture of free inquiry, scepticism and an open, accountable political discourse and government. Have we already been sold to our enemies?
@ritchloui - You are correct, religious fanaticism is rising, religion is rearing its ugly head, trying to control the feeble minded. For those of us that don't subscribe to the magical man in the sky, we have to let others know, religion enslaves their minds, and dumbs them down...it's really pathetic to think so many are so gullible.
@Markjbl32, the bible is nothing more than an outdated work of fiction and if you believe it to be any form of truth then you are a very narrow minded person indeed. How about you learn to stand on your own two feet and think for yourself as opposed to having a fictitious, make believe person tell you what to do and how to live.
The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
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Science, mathematics, truth.
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
Science is... everything. From each breath that we take to the most complex engine or computer. From the most basic single cell organisms to the vastness of the universe. It gives us everything because it is about everything that ever existed or will ever exist.
If you love something, either in nature or technology then you are a scientist. You don't need a PhD to be a scientist, just passion and a desire to learn.
MrSelidor7 2 months ago
Free-thinking has become overrated in recent years. A free thinker can simply be a person unstrapped from the bounds of any major ideology. They can be cryptozoologists, conspiracy nuts, or even ghost hunters. You get FAR better results with SCIENCE and the SCIENTIFIC METHOD; good observation, controlled experimentation, and peer review.
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AceofDlamonds 2 months ago
melodysheep :D
ScientificExperience 2 months ago 2
This video is about Science. If you don't like it or agree with it, then GTFO.
adisa091 2 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites "Why things happen" is a mystery noone can answer
Algonquin81 3 months ago
Sadly, (in my memory) nothing of Dawkins' atheist works (documents, speeches, lectures etc.) have not been aired in Finland. Finland, that has abot half it's population as atheists or otherwise secular, but ~80% belong to a religious group. Where the heads, all of them, of most powerful parties see praying as just as an efficient way to do good as rolling your sleeves up and taking action in case of catastrophies or such. The country of technology and science needs representing atheists.
stonesia1 4 months ago
wow RDF backwards is FDR!!=D
101rapterman 4 months ago
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Richard Dawkins has gone off the rails:
search for Richard Dawkins and male privilege on Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy blog.
Participating in flaming a woman because she dares to say 'don't objectify me at a conference'? Poorly done, Dawkins.
8yankee 4 months ago
we all need to speak the language of science in order to understand life in our highly scientifically influenced modern world...a world so heavily shaped by science,not understanding science in this century is like not knowing how to read in the last...
human0un 4 months ago
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UnknownSaxophone 4 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites You ask what is correct belief to me. Well, I try to stick to believing things for which there is verifiable evidence. The world and the universe are absolutely startling in their beauty and variety, but what's so incredible is how much better our understanding is now than it was even 100 years ago. The scientific method of critical thinking, rigorous research and observation have proved incredibly fruitful. It knocks the socks off superstition and hokum.
ritchloui 5 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites I have read the Koran. I'm sorry to say, but I found the Koran to be a witless, tiresome diatribe filled with endless threats and promises. Where it wasn't complete hokum it was wrong anyway and/or the ideas were typical of what was widely believed at the time. The Koran is a hoax.
ritchloui 5 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites You gave the analogy of a ball and the universe and concluded that as one was made so too the other. Unfortunately, the important difference is the ball maker exists in the same way the ball does, God does not. If God is not detectable in any scientific way its seems a bit rich to then say this peculiarly elusive God is the fantastically, viciously jealous God of the Abrahamic traditions. The ‘holy’ texts are more likely just terrifying fables for controlling people.
ritchloui 5 months ago
The Abrahamic religions are all a sickness in the head and people should stop believing in it! They are all quite mad - their cults began with a man willing to behead his own son because he heard voices in his own head! Come on everyone, get a bloody grip. This nonsense has gone far enough. This crazy idea is that they can, or even should, kill completely innocent people. Abraham set the tone and it doesn't reassure me he went for hacking at his son's penis instead. IT'S OBVIOUSLY CRAZY!
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youneekk 6 months ago
how could anyone dislike this video, you'd have to be one hell of an anti-intellectual bigot to dis a video saying how awesome science is. how arrogant and disrespectful. very uncool
Freethinker12341 6 months ago 10
@MyPersonalFavourites I repeat my previous request, define the "god".
makaralaatikko 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites Eh? How the hell can I convince myself about existence of something that defies every possible law in the universe? Believe me newbie, I would love to believe in something supernatural, something that would ensure everything has a clear meaning and so on, but then there is this problem called rational thinking. I can`t fall into wishfull thinking and fairytales because they are not real. Science however, is real, it gives concrete answers, religion does not. Snap out of it.
makaralaatikko 7 months ago
@makaralaatikko agreed
qpSubZeroqp 6 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites I'm guessing you know very little about both science and the Quran. Read your book and when I say read it I mean actually READ it from cover to cover, then listen to lectures from both side of the argument of the origins of life, Science and Religion, then you'll have my permission(lol) to speak about whatever you believe is the truth. I hope that you conclude that science is on the right track.
Kraized 7 months ago
This is probably the only video I've ever watched about science that almost made me tear.
Kraized 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites Define the god they should be leading to.
makaralaatikko 7 months ago
This video almost made me teary hahaha. GO SCIENCE!
ilytopy 7 months ago
When this video started I thought "Ah fuck this looks like it could be creationist propaganda" but I kinda teared up towards the end XD
Don't Fawk With The Dawk!!!
jamesc1994 7 months ago
if you swear on the bible this is true, then i will believe you.
fergawdsache 7 months ago
If God existed , she would be a big, black, lesbian scientist ;-)
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TheNitricOxide 7 months ago
Why is this making me tear up? Gosh darn I'm so inspired :D
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BURN IN HELL FOREVER OR BELIEVE IN JESUS
EVOLUTION IS THE GREATEST MASTERPIECE OF SATAN
fuckmania07 8 months ago
This gives me goosebumps.
logicallunatic1 9 months ago
Agree but the only subject I do not agree is Climate Change as is a FRAUD! Science can become corrupt too.
1630Memo 9 months ago
@1630Memo I am sorry to hear that you choose to disbelieve the overwhelming scientific evidence for Climate Change.
LsBaba 8 months ago
atheists have some of the most smartest people in the world. windows was made by an atheist :D
lebronjamesXD 9 months ago
Anthropocentric crap for monkeys.
asasasarap 9 months ago
@asasasarap ...monkeys?
why would this video be directed to that specie?
they cannot speak, use the internet nor do anything about this.
think before you type.
OmfgItsHenu 9 months ago
Richard Dawkins foundation for ignoring the evidence that the function of hydrogen inside of us shows that the entire has a Maker.
Seekmosttoprophesy 10 months ago
The hijab has been scientifically proven to be the best way of hiding the fact that a woman has had her teeth kicked in by her husband and family!
ritchloui 10 months ago
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@bogdan4550 - Spoken like a true righteous Christian...WWJD about your filthy mouth, hmm, probably slap you so hard your grandmother would feel it...now that I'd pay to see...LOL
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 10 months ago
Hahahaha. Mr Dawkins, you have become a shameless self-publicist!
ritchloui 10 months ago
Has the Roman Church made a deal with Islam? Are our children to be sold into slavery between them? Is this the secret about the fall of Africa and the Americas? The free people were sold into slavery by the Muslims and slaughtered by the Roman Church. Is it the other way round this time?
ritchloui 10 months ago
Western culture has long been under attack from many skilfully crafted narratives, especially those originating from the Roman Church and much less well crafted by Islamic clerics. The former have long had such a hold on the American left that ‘educated’ Americans ‘ought’ to view their history with antipathy, self hatred and shame. The Muslim clerics have no hesitation in reinstating and supporting open hatred of Jews and ‘unbelievers’. This is how Africa and South America fell!!!
ritchloui 10 months ago
I will continue with my post in a separate part as I pressed the wrong button... Science is all about looking at the evidence in front of us and saying this is our most reasonable conclusion where as religion is blind faith in a book written by an unknown author who does not provide references of his work
davelister7662 11 months ago
Why does everyone always argue about religion on videos about science. Scienc
davelister7662 11 months ago 3
@davelister7662
I'm sure everyone always argues about religion on videos about science because religion is the exact opposite view point of the origins of life and where it's going.
Kraized 7 months ago
Ah, I think I shed a tear watching this video. Science and rational thinking, the greatest blessing of mankind.
makaralaatikko 11 months ago 22
@makaralaatikko Absolutely.
ZachRose88 6 months ago
This reminds me too much if those Scientology promotional videos.
Poleschs 1 year ago
Fight the good war. WAR DAWKINS!
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"you guys have researched global warming enough to realize that it is not man made."
Lmfao retard.
" being funded to support Al Gore is not scientific."
Global warming was being warned about long before he was even born.
mecher3k 1 year ago
=D good to know someone raised a flag to rally behind.
Deathwaffle717 1 year ago
This was a powerful video. Thank you!
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@JezusSlave - Why would I sacrifice myself to myself, to change a law that i made?
This is the logic behind the Christian faith, be it Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, whatever one of the over 3,000 iterations you pick, it's plain STUPID...not to mention the evidence for Jesus even existing is flimsy at best! Use your brain for a change, the Bible makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
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THIS IS PROOF THAT ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SACRAMENTS!!!
youtube. com/ watch?v =jqsRDD6kXWY
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
God bless You
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - Why would I sacrifice myself to myself, to change a law that i made?
This is the logic behind the Christian faith, be it Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, whatever one of the over 3,000 iterations you pick, it's plain STUPID...not to mention the evidence for Jesus even existing is flimsy at best! Use your brain for a change, the Bible makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS ASK GOD NOT ME! WATCH THAT MOVIE AND SIMILAR
I AM SERIOUS!!!
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - There is NO evidence of a god existing either, sorry!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS What do you fancy Him to say or do to satisfy your requierements?
That movie and Bible is saying different, opposite things!
Life God and His body and blood in Eucharist- John 6:30-66, "I am the bread of life..."
and another movie proving that, do you have faith, what more do you want as prove, belive or not
youtube. com/watch?v =5SfXvMlb8u0
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - I "fancy" him to appear to everyone in the world, where we can all see him, talk to him, touch him, you know, communicate without a doubt...but do you know why that will never happen...because he isn't real.
If you find comfort in deluding yourself into believing in the IMAGINARY MAN IN THE SKY...then what point is there to having any conversation with you...you are not going to anylitcally look at these claims, you have closed your mind to reality. Have a good day
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS the problem is that you are too dirty to achive that and will never touch Him because of your sins AND SELFISHNESS.
HE IS HOLY AND PERFECT AND DESERVE TRULY TO BE PRAISED!
IMAGINARY? NO REAL LIVING GOD IN EUCHARIST!
LIFE BODY OF CHRIST-EVERLASTING LIFE WITHOUT SIN AND HAPPINESS -LIKE HE PROMISED IN GOSPEL IS THE PROVE, WATCH MOVIE, SEE AND BELIVE!!!
YOU CAN NOT GIVE ORDERS TO GOD!
GOD BLESS YOU
ARE YOU BLESSING HIM OR HATE GOD-YOUR FATHER?
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - I am not blessing or hating something that does not exist, i.e. god. Too bad you can't prove any proof of this god you speak of, other than referring to a movie, that is not proof, it's a movie...period. Provide me with concrete proof, it hasn't happened yet, but if you have it, share it with all of us.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Fatima and St Mary`s miracle of sun and warrnings before II and III world wars if life God in Eucharist is not enought for you!
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - personal experiences are not proof...proof is something that anyone can reproduce anytime, any place, that does not apply to Fatima or any supposed miracle. Try again.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago 3
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS GOD IS NOT TOOL YOU CAN REPRODUCE AND SPEAK WITH WHEN YOU FANCY!
NO EVERYBODY IS WORTHY AND HOLY TO EXPERIENCE GOD DIRECTLY.
FATIMA APPLIES WELL BUT YOU DON`T WANT TO ACCEPT IT.
YOU DON`T WANT GOD AND HIS RULES, IT`S YOUR CHOICE.
AND YOU ARE ONE WHO SHOULD TRY AS ALL ETERNITY DEPENDS ON THAT!
WHEN YOU READY TO TAKE RESPOSIBILITY FOR ALL YOUR DEEDS, REPENT AND ACCEPT GODS RULES SPEAK AND ASK HIM-YOUR HOLY FATHER.
GOOD LUCK!
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - I have nothing to repent for, and I certainly wouldn't bow down to the god of the Christian Bible, he is one of the most malicious characters in all of literature, truly and evil egotistical maniac.
Not buying any of this god stuff.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago 25
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Ok, so don`t expect God to come to you and live in you, you are free and nobody force you to be part of God`s Kingdom.
Good luck and Good Bye
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS and now try to say something on your own without quoting Dawkins and other ignorants!
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - Wow you really are a "Jezus Slave"...poor thing, I do have pitty for you.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS you ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. STUPID ATHEIST MUPPET.
bogdan4550 10 months ago
@bogdan4550 - Spoken like a true righteous Christian...WWJD about your filthy mouth, hmm, probably slap you so hard your grandmother would feel it...now that I'd pay to see...LOL
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 10 months ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Get some therapy idiot, go and see a psychiatrist he may be able to help you with your delusion, you muppet.
bogdan4550 10 months ago
@bogdan4550 - Again the psychotic Christian rears his ugly head in perpetual attack mode...I pitty you.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 10 months ago
@JezusSlave Fatima!? You are too funny! Too bad you won't have an afterlife to realize that you wasted the one life we know we have. Any god that exists would understand that he didn't provide any evidence of people to believe in. Your religion has already been disproven.... too bad you only watch videos that support your way of t hinking, other wise you would be agreeing with us instead of sticking your head in the sand. Agnosticism is the best that the religious can do. Agnosticism, not theism
gary031183 1 year ago 10
@JezusSlave - You said it....GOD IS A TOOL....that's actually quite funny.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - You, my friend, are ignorant....and blissfully so.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - Your mind truly has been enslaved, but not in a good way...wouldn't you rather believe in the truth than in made up stories that have no proof or evidence to back them up! Religion offers no answers, and doesn't like to be questioned, therefore you should be extremely suspicious of it.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS What do you fancy Him to say or do to satisfy your requierements?
That movie and Bible is saying different, opposite things!
Life God and His body and blood in Eucharist- John 6:30-66, "I am the bread of life..."
and another movie proving that, do you have faith, what more do you want as prove, belive or not
youtube. com/watch?v =5SfXvMlb8u0
God bless you
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - You poor ignorant thing.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS watch that movie provided and ask God for gft of faith!
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - It's rather difficult to ask something of someone that doesn't exist, don't you think?
What is your proof of "your" god?
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - NO.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
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@JOHNINCOLUMBUS What do you fancy Him to say or do to satisfy your requierements?
That movie and Bible is saying different, opposite things!
Life God and His body and blood in Eucharist- John 6:30-66, "I am the bread of life..."
and another movie proving that, do you have faith, what more do you want as prove, belive or not
youtube. com/watch?v =5SfXvMlb8u0
JezusSlave 1 year ago
So true.
WendyMo1 1 year ago
Dawkins is the man, nuff said
Garethduify 1 year ago
which lecture is the footage at 3:20 from dose anyone know?
CalJBurns 1 year ago
@CalJBurns " The Purpose of Purpose - Richard Dawkins"
joferbrasil 1 year ago
Still, I guess its a PR war and your gotta beat the religious right at their own game. Maybe the next instalment should be feature religiously-backwards middle-American characters complete with it own theme song. A teen drama series - Dawsons Creek meets Wildfire - could feature awkward teenagers coming to terms with the god delusion.
oooiFilms 1 year ago
Isn't scary that up to 40% of Americas believe in creationism? The scientists have got themselves a fancy film with Richard Dawkins to convince them...Its just a shame the films graphics makes it feel a bit cultish at times...
oooiFilms 1 year ago
@oooiFilms I agree, the video was a little too flamboyant. I'd like to think of us atheists as humble and modest.
Jeffff23 1 year ago
Religion, in my view, is an embarrassment to human intelligence.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago 53
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS THIS IS PROOF THAT ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SACRAMENTS!!!
youtube. com/ watch?v =jqsRDD6kXWY
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave - Why would I sacrifice myself to myself, to change a law that i made?
This is the logic behind the Christian faith, be it Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, whatever one of the over 3,000 iterations you pick, it's plain STUPID...not to mention the evidence for Jesus even existing is flimsy at best! Use your brain for a change, the Bible makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Why don´t you tell these words to Newton, Kepler, Galileo, Oresme, Pasteur, Mendel, Boyle, Stokes, Lord Kelvin, Planck, Fleming, Von Neumann, Lemaitre, Bohr, Heisenberg, Al-Juarismi, Alhacen, Pope Sylvester II, Euler, Gauss, Riemann, Pascal, Leibnitz, Asa Gray, Linneus, Copernicus, Nikola Tesla, Pierre Duhem, Angelo Secchi, Mateo Ricci, Francis Collins, Jerome Le Jeune, etc etc? What an embarrassment! Nobel Prizes, Fathers of the Modern Science, muslim medieval mathematicians...
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Perhaps because they are dead! Don't know exactly what you are trying to say, but if you're referring to a god and its existence, I welcome any proof, but until then, I find NO GOOD REASON to believe such dribble. Have a good day.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS What I said it´s simple and understandable... if religion is an embarrassment to human intelligence (as you said before)... How was posible that a lot of Science men, Reason men, Intelligent men like the ones I listed... believed in God? The key point in this case, is not a "proof for the existence of God", with or without that proof, there were, and are now, Intelligent people who believe in God. Apparently, they did found a good reason to believe in Him.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - I would imagine that if some of those men, depending on the time in which they lived, said they did not believe in god, would have been murdered by a religious group, as was the common practice in Copernicus', Pope Sylvester II, Galileo's time. Anymore than Einstein did not believe in a personal god, most people "want" to believe it's so, but they only believe because they want to believe, not because of any proof. Why do you believe in a god? Do you apply that to anything else?
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS It doesn´t matter if they believed in God because they wanted or because they had "proofs" of their Faith, the fact is that they believed in God. Your theory about "being murdered" by religious group is funny. In those times, specifically in the Middle Ages, Saint Thomas Aquinas postulated his five ways to prove that God exists... Why did he do that, if people were supossed FORCED to believe? Why argue? Do you have a sample of a man who was murdered because he was an atheist?
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Did you ever hear of the Inquistion? What was that other than FORCED belief...Don't believe our way or we kill you...it was that simple. Galileo was imprisoned for the rest of his life for showing the Earth revolved around the Sun, the Christian church didn't like that...religion retards learning and turns those that follow it into retards!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The Inquisition!!! We could talk a lot about the Inquisition, not only in Spain but in America too. But let´s focus in Galileo case. He didn´t show the Earth revolved around the Sun, he said it, as Copernicus, and the CATHOLIC BISHOPS Nicholas of Oresme and Nicholas of Cusa had done before. Galileo had no proofs of his assertions, and the Church requested him to not-teaching that as an absolute 100% proved fact. He didn´t obey, and thats the reason of his prosecution.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Math/science proves Galileo right, the Church didn't want to accept the fact that their mythology was wrong. As for you believing in god, first you have to define god, there are thousands of gods, you too are an Atheist, I just happen to believe in one less than you! And I will bet the reason you believe as you do has to due with 2 factors, 1 geography, where you were born, and your family's religion you were indoctrinated into as a child, before you could choose.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Galileo was right about the movement of the Earth, but he was wrong about the "proof" of the movement are the tides. The God we are talking about is the Christian God, of course, it was the Catholic Church who prosecuted Galileo. And there is no christian mithology about the movement of the planet, like I said, two catholic bishops before Galileo said that the Earth moves: Nicholas of Oresme and Nicholas of Cusa. Were they condemmed for that...?
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
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@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Let´s talk about that phrase of yours. Richard Dawkins says that: "you too are an Atheist, I just happen to believe in one less than you"... What an antimathematical phrase! We all deny that any value applies for the Pi number, except 3.1416... Would you say you can deny one more value? No, my friend! The equation 10=5x has the 2 as a solution. You cannot go a "value further" and deny the number 2 is the solution of the equation... is shameful that a scientist says that.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - I agree with you, what happened to the Native peoples when the European invaded North America is horrible. But what the Church did was equally horrible, and they continue to do it today! The Pope not condoning condoms for people in Africa that are spreading AIDS through pure ignorance is an abomination. Religion is like a cancer, it's parasitic and spreads like cancer a mental cancer.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The History of native americans is a large topic. Here in Mexico, my country, were actually the franciscan friars, dominican friars, the ones who defended the indians against the spanish soldiers and "encomenderos". Do you know about the work of Bartolome de las Casas, Antonio de Montesinos, Vasco de Quiroga? And the education! Don´t you know about the Jesuit Universities? Even today!, The University of Georgetown, by example, is a jesuit catholic institution!
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - I am very aware of the Jesuit's, I was raised Roman Catholic, I even attended Seminary for awhile, then I realized all the stuff I was being taught had no evidence, only speculation, and self-perpetuation by the church...I was Catholic until I reached the age of reason! Perhaps one day soon it too will dawn on you that what you believe is a lie, but we all have to find our own way, it just takes longer for some.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS I´m a mexican catholic, my friend. I had a lot of doubts and I almost become an atheist some years ago. But reason and science have nothing to do here. I always had, in home, scientific books next to religious books. The truth is there are a lot of logic arguments for the existence of God, there are miracles... I would love to see atheist science trying to prove wrong some of them... there are ex-atheist who become believers,,, C.S. Lewis, Messori, Frossard, Psichari, Foucauld..
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Miracles are 99.9% of the time a personal experience, cannot be reproduced, so it is not valid proof of anything other than the delusion in that persons own mind. You can believe whatever you want, but for me, I want to know that what I believe is the truth, and not just something being passed on through tradition. Religion doesn't want to be questioned, which means to me, it has no answers...it's all mythology, no matter which one you choose, they are all wrong.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS About the miracles, nothing better -for me- than the case of Dr. Alexis Carrel, Nobel Prize Medicine 1912... he did saw a miracle. That percent you put to us is not a scientific percent, is it? I think there is more than "personal experience" behind the thing...
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Regrettably for those claiming miracles, they can never prove them, and when examined closely, they can be explained away, nothing supernatural happening, ever.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS I guess Dr. Alexis Carrel used to say that, until he saw one.
Where do you get your stadistics from? How many reported cases of "miracles" have you studied nearly?
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - All miracles come from religious sources, which only tells me, it job security for the priests and church, no verifible evidence has ever been presented, if it had it would be on every TV network in the world and the front page of every credible newspaper, but it has not, because there is no evidence.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS - put this in the YouTube search and watch it.
"Some Things You Won't Learn About In Church-Christians/Muslims/Atheist"
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Well, Alexis Carrel was not a "religious source".. but why do you worry so much? There is no problem. You won´t believe in miracles no matter how many people testify it. But one thing is true: if miracles were something easy to prove as a delusion... Would you need to have arguments against it?
I mentioned the case of Carrel because he was a prominent atheist doctor... he saw an immediate recovery of a woman who was hopeless
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - "Some Things You Won't Learn About In Church-Christians/Muslims/Atheist " put this in YouTube search and watch it...then tell me what you believe has any validity.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS I was going to say that it is me who decides what I watch... not you. But, well, let´s have the New Year inquisitive attitude. Wait for my comments there!
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Again, one person, can't be reproduced, not everyone can see it or did see it...no evidence, just storytelling...sorry not buying into it.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
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Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS There is one more thing about miracles. Of course they can´t be reproduced... miracles are not a natural events. There are even natural events that cannot be reproduced -Can you reproduce an entire human body with all the elements of the Periodic Table in your hands?- I repeat my question: How many miracles have you studied, scientifically? Lourdes? Guadalupe? Incorrupt bodies? Healings? Fatima? I have studied some of them, and believe me... science isn´t enough as a tool
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru That is unmittigated horse-crap. That Carrel found something he couldn't explain is evidence that he couldn't explain it, nothing more. You're going to have to do much better than that.
gamesbok 10 months ago
@gamesbok Ja ja, so, do you think I´m "going to have to do much better"... Why? Am I obligate? I think you should do something better than using second-rater expressions like "horse-crap". Any ignorant can say that. Intelligent people are better. About Carrel, let´s clear the point: Not only him, science couldn´t explain that, and today it can´t. I´m only saying what happened to Carrel, I´m not his lawyer, I wasn´t there. You´re not forced to believe it. Drink some ice tea and calm down.
Teltaminoru 10 months ago
@Teltaminoru You are claiming a miracle, and the burden of proof rests with you, and you have presented an anecdote. As Hume showed there can be no miracles, although Hume believed the fact that people believed miracles was a miracle.
gamesbok 10 months ago
@gamesbok You´re totally wrong. I have no burden at all. I say what I BELIEVE, and I don´t feel myself compromised to proof anything. I can say WHY do I believe, the reasons that take me to believe, and I don´t pretend that my reasons are a kind of rule for everyone else. Hume SAID there can be no miracles, he didn´t prove anything. Hume had his personal viewpoints, and I just have mine. I think miracles actually exist, and the case of Carrel is a ocurred fact, not an "anecdote".
Teltaminoru 10 months ago
@Teltaminoru I'm sure you do believe it. The disbelief in miracles is the null hypothesis, and the burden of proof still rests with you. Good luck with that.
gamesbok 10 months ago
@gamesbok Clearly, my friend, this is a beliefs encounter. You believe that I have a "burden of proof". I believe I don´t, because I think that the existence of God, as much as His miracles, CAN´T BE proven, so there is no possible proof, and therefore, no "burden of proof". You believe in your statement, I believe in mine.
Teltaminoru 10 months ago
@Teltaminoru Don't confuse two issues. Of course you have a burden of proof, and as a good Catholic you should know that in 1905 Pope Pius X defined exactly what would be required to establish that proof.
gamesbok 10 months ago
@gamesbok Well, I don´t think I have a burden of proof... that´s your theory. About Pius X, and the rest of the Popes, an important part of their theological educations comes from Thomas of Aquinas Theology. And since Aquinas called his five famous assertions, five WAYS (not the five "proofs") for the existence of God, we are even. If there is something "required" and not "acquired" to establish the proof, is because the catholic teachings says that FAITH is REQUIRED to believe in God.
Teltaminoru 10 months ago
@Teltaminoru Indeed, as Popper would say, God isn't a falsifiable proposition. Miracles, on the other hand, are. That faith is required to believe is a tautology, and none of the Schoolmen were banal enough to publish tautologies.
gamesbok 10 months ago
@gamesbok Well, friend, if you want a proof, and you think I could have one and I have, therefore, a "burden of proof", you´re talking to the wrong person. I don´t have a proof, I don´t think the existence of God can be proven, so I feel no burden at all. Of course Faith is required to believe in god, as much as natural reason. Catholic Dogmatic Theology.
Teltaminoru 10 months ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS It is false that Religion doesn´t want to be questioned. I don´t know much about other religions, but in the Roman catholicism, there have been hundreds or thousands of catholic writers, thinkers, monks, theologians, who have questioned their own religion. Theology, is, precisely, the analysis and questioning of the faith. Apologetics is the defense of the Faith, and believe me, there are a lot of books and articles defending the faith against the atheists
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - If you don't care about the Truth, religion is for you.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS But I think the opposite is correct. If you care about the Truth, look for God, Who is the Truth itself. If you care a bit about science, atheism is for you, if you care a lot... religion is for you. Pasteur said: "A bit of science distances one from God, but much science nears one to Him". I´ll give you a sample against your case. If religion doesn´t want to be questioned... why am I here, being questioned and answering?
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Are you the Pope, are you a priest, a cardinal, bishop, etc...have you written any canons into the Catholic faith? If not, you are merely a member of an organization, period. Question your priest sometime, see how he reacts...I have NO use for religion in my life. I lead a good life without the need for superstiions, it's an unnecessary burden to carry around in life, I found that our years and years ago. If it works for you, good, but not for me.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Oh, yes, the Religion, Faith, Sacraments, Gospels... have worked for me my entire life! I don´t need to be the Pope, the same way you don´t need to win the Nobel Prize for like science and proofs.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru why do sheep like youself feel the need to post on such matters of science, is this because you are full of self doubt, knowing full well that theres no gandelf in the sky thats going to stop this liberating movement of freethought. you posted a few times, perhaps your ready to come over to the bright side. remember you use science on a daily bases so dont be so hypocritical to come on here spouting nonsense. so if youve no doubts stop posting and gandelf will take care of it.
kram83au 1 year ago
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Teltaminoru 1 year ago
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@kram83au Happy New Year for you too! Speaking about doubts, I have one: Who are you to tell me to stop posting? What if I don´t obey you? I talk about science because I like science, I´m an engineer, I´m the webmaster of cienciayreligion-dot-org, a Science&Religion website. Of course I have doubts, that´s part of human nature, and some of my doubts have been answered by the Faith in Jesus Christ. I don´t expect you to understand that, and I don´t need your permission to post.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@kram83au Happy New Year for you too! Speaking about doubts, I have one: Who are you to tell me to stop posting? What if I don´t obey you? I talk about science because I like science, I´m an engineer, I´m the webmaster of cienciayreligion-dot-org, a Science&Religion website. Of course I have doubts, that´s part of human nature, and some of my doubts have been answered by the Faith in Jesus Christ. I don´t expect you to understand that, and I don´t need your permission to post.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru oh dear, you really should know better, my guess is you were indoctronated at a young age, and thats criminal. REVEAL TO ME THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER AND THERE YOU SHALL FIND GOD.
kram83au 1 year ago
@kram83au I was EDUCATED, my friend, not only in religion but in human values and science too. Is that less criminal? The idea of the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is an absurd... Do you think you can debunk God with that? The problem here, is that God is not just an idea (as your monster), God is an obvius consequence of the Order, Existence and Trascendence of the Universe, there is a LOGIC THINKING that takes some people to believe in God.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Finally, I disagree, absolutely, with your prejudice about the religion "like mental cancer", the most important scientists in the History have been believers. Today there are a lot of them. About the Pope and condoms in Africa... How many africans are catholic? Do you think the entire African continent recognizes the Pope as an authority? A lot of them are muslims. The Pope speaks against the war too, and Africa is envolved in war all the time...
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Madyln Murry O'Hare and her family! You are so ignorant it's incredible!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Why do I believe in God? My friend, because I don´t believe in chance. And... if God doesn´t exist, the Universe is the result of a mere chance... you don´t believe in God, well, I don´t believe in chance. The Logic tells me there is a cause before an effect, that the Universe doesn´t exist just because.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - You believe in god because your family indoctrinated you into a religion before you had a chance to grow up and make a critical decision about the mythology they were teaching you...you know that is true. Where were you born and what religion was your family?
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS My family taught me about God, indeed. But I am an adult person now, and now, I believe in God for my own reasons.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - Do you believe the brakes in your car are going to stop you, or do you rely on the science that is proven to stop your car. Do you believe the plane you are in will just stay in the air because you believe it will, or do you trust the science that built the plane? There is a big difference between believing somthing to be so and it actually being so! When you can provide me with proof of god, then I will believe it, but not until then. I also care that what I believe is the truth.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Not a problem. How many times do we trust in something without a proof? If I take a plane, even when I have a proof of the plane effectiveness... what is my proof of the pilot effectiveness? what is my proof of the good weather? I don´t have proof of that. I like blue color... Do I need a scientific proof in order to can like it? I believe in God because I believe the things happen because some reason... proofs? There are no proofs, only logic arguments and Faith.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - No, you believe in god because you don't have an explanation for your question...when you replace belief with logic and research, you have effectively given up, stopped learning. There is NO proof of a god existing to this day, not one shred of evidence, none! You only believe because it makes you feel comfortable...I would rather know what I think to be real as actually being real than putting in under the "faith" umbrella...that is illogical.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS My friend, I know why do I believe in God. You don´t. You are not me, you are not inside my mind, you can´t read my mind. I believe in God because I believe the Universe cannot be explained without God... reasoning, analizing, thinking... You talk a lot about proofs and science, so tell me: Do you have a proof that I believe in God just for "feeling comfortable" things...? What is the proof of your reading-minds powers?
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@Teltaminoru - No, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of flight hours on record, documenting that planes operate, there is NO documentation of your claimed god's existence...the Bible is not a source for proof, it's an old book written in the Bronze age, period. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof...you have provided ZERO proof...you believe out of ignorance not out of logic...you don't know what logic means.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS But there is also a record of accidents, plane crash, even terrorists who kidnap airplanes... my friend. You CANNOT live without taking something WITHOUT a proof, that is a fact. When you´re in a restaurant, do you make a chemical analysis before eat? Do you have a proof that the food is not poisoned? I don´t need documentation for believe in God, the same way I don´t need documentation for like the blue color. God is not a scientific claim, I believe in Him by Faith.
Teltaminoru 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS it's more like the lack of human intelligence
Shirleyxia74 11 months ago
@Shirleyxia74 - yes, the lack of intelligence as well. It seems when religion plays into the scheme of things, all logic and reason are dismissed, it's quite puzzling, but then religion plays on fear, guilt, sex and ignorance above all else.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 11 months ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS If you stopped for a moment and looked up from your equations you might notice that religious fanaticism is on the rise. Our entire civilisation and everything we cherish is being threatened. The West created the first universal language, science. Along with this is our culture of free inquiry, scepticism and an open, accountable political discourse and government. Have we already been sold to our enemies?
ritchloui 10 months ago
@ritchloui - You are correct, religious fanaticism is rising, religion is rearing its ugly head, trying to control the feeble minded. For those of us that don't subscribe to the magical man in the sky, we have to let others know, religion enslaves their minds, and dumbs them down...it's really pathetic to think so many are so gullible.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 10 months ago
@Markjbl32, the bible is nothing more than an outdated work of fiction and if you believe it to be any form of truth then you are a very narrow minded person indeed. How about you learn to stand on your own two feet and think for yourself as opposed to having a fictitious, make believe person tell you what to do and how to live.
usuzel 1 year ago 2
Science is the only tool that acurately describe how the world work. So far no one invented better tool.
If the better tool is out there. Better then scientific method - let´s go and show me.
J0EH3AD 1 year ago
Do you rekon that This foundation is being run in the name of atheism?
stevonz333 1 year ago