@gklr A belief is that which someone holds to be true, so of course it is a claim of truth in its own right, it just hasn't reached the level of knowledge(a greater truth-claim). Beliefs still have a burden of proof.
The reason why burden of proof lies on claim maker is because there's an infinite amount of claims possible, everything in human imagination. If the default position was belief then every possible claim should be believed intill someone prooves it false. A such world would lead to madness. Anyone could accuse anyone of any crime and as long has he is not proven innocent then he is guilty. Default position must be negative as long as humans are capable of lying and are not omnicent.
Of course an infinite number of claims are possible: I have one coin in my pocket. I have two coins in my pocket. I have three coins in my pocket, etc.
" I have one coin in my pocket. I have two coins in my pocket. I have three coins in my pocket, etc"
So you can always do this? What proof is there that minds will always exist to count? Doesn't scientific theory target the sun as eventually rendering life on earth impossible? If that happens, are we then banking on alien minds or perhaps humans that are living forever and ever (amen)?
Infinite time, infinite minds? Is this god counting?
Only claims of truth have a burden of proof. No belief can be proven true. If a belief is proven true, it is no longer a belief. It is then a truth.
Beliefs are possibly true and possibly false. If a truth is proven true it is not possibly false and therefore not a belief.
No belief has a burden of proof.
gklr 1 year ago
@gklr A belief is that which someone holds to be true, so of course it is a claim of truth in its own right, it just hasn't reached the level of knowledge(a greater truth-claim). Beliefs still have a burden of proof.
lookit87 9 months ago
1, 2, C.
I like it. ;)
eljagg01 1 year ago
The reason why burden of proof lies on claim maker is because there's an infinite amount of claims possible, everything in human imagination. If the default position was belief then every possible claim should be believed intill someone prooves it false. A such world would lead to madness. Anyone could accuse anyone of any crime and as long has he is not proven innocent then he is guilty. Default position must be negative as long as humans are capable of lying and are not omnicent.
JoakimfromAnka 1 year ago
@JoakimfromAnka,
"The reason why burden of proof lies on claim maker is because there's an infinite amount of claims possible"
Really? With a limited number of minds? How is that?
"If the default position was belief "
What the hell is a default position? There is no such thing.
"Default position must be negative as long as humans are capable of lying and are not omnicent."
Does that sentence mean anything to you or do you need to rephrase it? It says nothing to me whatsoever.
gklr 1 year ago
@gklr
Of course an infinite number of claims are possible: I have one coin in my pocket. I have two coins in my pocket. I have three coins in my pocket, etc.
IAmTheScum13 1 year ago
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@IAmTheScum13,
" I have one coin in my pocket. I have two coins in my pocket. I have three coins in my pocket, etc"
So you can always do this? What proof is there that minds will always exist to count? Doesn't scientific theory target the sun as eventually rendering life on earth impossible? If that happens, are we then banking on alien minds or perhaps humans that are living forever and ever (amen)?
Infinite time, infinite minds? Is this god counting?
gklr 1 year ago
The debate that makes me wants to stab my eyes out and rip other peoples hair out.
He's skeptical of skepticism. He's avoiding giving the burden of his claims by refocusing on "Well what is the burden of proof?"
It's a red herring.
sabertooth1980 1 year ago