Bottom line ... any tool who would have the balls to make a comment like: "The world is better off without him" (re: Hitchens) ... obviously has little education where it matters and doesn't know what or where they are in the scheme of their own fucking existence. But we need these people because they buy high-interest-rate loans and lots of petroleum by-products ... we need them ... gotta keep the wheels of destruction turning :)
coughlan -- use your time and energy to learn HItchens, and help the world understand and embrace the objectivity and compassion for human beings this man had. You are wasting your time taking on someone like Hitchens whom we all need to know more about.
We are lured into demeaning ea. other thru the dogmatic strictures of animalism/animalitarianism ("atheism") in order: to deny Spiritualism; to wage total war; to value animals above humans; to commit clinician-assisted aborticide; to befoul the water w/fluoride & serums w/mercury; to becloud the air w/aluminum oxide via tanker jets; to burn tumorous growths w/x-rays; to subject our hearts to allopathic diagnostics: radioactive dyes & Adrenalin-based stress tests; to venerate amoral men.
Imagine a race! All the runners doing their best. The leader is well out in front. All are truly exhausted. There is a growing fear that the runners may die. The leader says, as he keeps running (and keeps winning) STOP, everybody stop, stop where you are, this is madness!! Imagine the spectators have money and futures are invested in them. Now, when anglo intellects of Hitchens ilk imply, 'It's all nonsense, stop the big machine' who gets left behind? forever? The alternative maybe worse, but..
@914light He was actually anti-Zionist, or at lest anti-expansionist. He repeatedly criticized the Israeli government and the mindset behind Zionism, especially the religious argument for Zionism. I really would like to know what convinced you that he was a Zionist. As for him being racist, there's no evidence for that either. He hated religion, not any race.
@otavioandradas ...Kiss my ass you fucking retard !! punk bitch !!...I hate people like you worse then hitchen the homosexual communist piece of shit he was ...NOW FUCK YOU !!
@914light ohhh...the stupid fucker got angry? poor your, asshole. You will spend you entire MEDIOCRE life attacking people. And that's because you are a fuckin piece of shit. But it's quite simple, it's all about psychology: your retarded parents haven't had the courage to tell you how USELESS and DUMB you are. Sorry, but someone has to tell you the truth. I am doing you a favor here: YOU ARE a dumb and useless human being. Now u can calm down and enjoy your pathetic pseudo-life.
@otavioandradas ...kiss my ass you stupid hypocrite, punk !! ...you pathetic piece of trash ...you think you are the only one who has freedom of speech ...you dumb as worth excuse for a human .....YOU are an embarrassment to humanity !! ..NOW PISS OFF ..
@914light useless kid: stop wasting people's time. Don't blame others for your own stupidity. If anything, you probably had the same shitty genes from your retarded parents. Keep your ignorance to yourself, moron.
@otavioandradas ...I know hitchens cultist are to stupid to understand what "piss off" means .. so I'll tell ya ...it means DON'T send me anymore messages ..I not sure why you're under the impression I am someone you think gives a shit what you have to say, feel, think or believe ...BUT I DON'T !!! ...NOW piss off ...lets see if your smart enough to grasp a simple request ....PISS OFF
@914light useless kid: what's wrong with you? drugs? retarded parents? too many whores in the family? total ignorance? stupidity? or all of the above? whatever it is, fuck off asshole.
@914light useless kid: keep your disease to yourself, religious freak. You call Hitchens a racist because you are a coward hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
I think Hitchens was a very talented man. I also think he was a pompous asshole who promoted imperialism. But I'm not gonna make a celebration video when the man has just died. Not only because of the death but also I can truly respect many things he did.
What the holy fuck are either of you talking about? Hitchens was committed for his entire adult life to justice for the Palestinians. He wrote a book w Edward Said on Israeli crimes and was critical of the occupation and various other Israeli policies for 30 years. Calling him a Zionist is a rank slander and shows that the speaker either doesn't know what they're talking about or is a liar.
@abuliberalee true lol, I have actually never heard anybody as unbridled and vitriolic in his attacks on zionism. He referred to himself as an anti-zionist and was reviled about it by Zionists. Has anybody else ever even listened to Hitchens?
No. He supported the Neo Cons is the removal of Saddam Hussein through the 2nd gulf war.
There is more to "Neo Con" than just that.
Hitchens was a complicated man and not easy to put in a box - but he consistently opposed and hated tyrants - and you cant get much worse than Saddam.
@richo61 Apologies then. I thought you were one of those with herd mentality.
Hitchens was a great soul, I think he wasn't only a great debater when it comes to religion, but perhaps the best person in the world to teach you how to criticize religion in a simple way that everyone can understand, that's why he was so successful as a public figure.
But his involvement with the neo-cons made him lose lots of credibility as many of his analyses & expectations appeared to be mere rubbish.
@FuckSunnaShia I think if you read enough you would find that he resisted easy categorization, both naturally and by intention. We have lost one of the handful of people who could not only keep the grey areas and complicated ambiguities sorted, but could also actually get above and interpret them.
@manthasagittarius1 I actually read almost all of his recent written works. I also watched every televised appearance of Hitchens that I know of. He's a great thinker, no doubt, but his political speculations speak for themselves: look at what he said about Iraq's WMD (lol) & its connection to AQ (again, lol). Also the imminent revolution in Iran (big lol).
His views helped the world to go to unnecessary wars & avoid the necessary ones.
@abuliberalee Maybe he was in his earlier life but at the end he was more of a Zionist who supported Israels policies. Besides, he supported the war on Iraq.
I'm still trying to figure out how atheists were "influenced" by him. I didn't read any of his books nor used any of his ideas to influence my atheism. I guess I don't "get it".
didn't he change his view on Vaccine? I remember an episode where he thought that the HPV vaccine that Texas(under perry) gave to school girls was a good idea.
Hitchens was a warmongering cunt. Anyone who tried to justify the "wars on terror" the way Hitchens did is a piece of shit in my book. Going around the world "excusing" the war crimes committed by the Bush and Obama administration is an "evil" thing to do so yes, the world is a better place since his death. One less advocate for "organised murder, rape and pillage".
@rhubis Quite simply, it's how uneducated people argue. He was probably home schooled with extreme indoctrination, and can't compile an intelligent argument. Rather than making any points he uses repetition as his strategy. It's basically like arguing with a parrot, and then getting mad about it. It's our fault entirely. Sometimes, however, I get a guilty pleasure by poking the parrot. It's like arguing molecular science with a baby. Great way to waste 15 minutes. ;)
@whedonfreak976 are you all trolled out? still asking your asinine question even thought its been answered and proven to be a fallacy? Or was your only intention to troll atheists and make us look the the bad guys? Even with all of our help you couldn't even grasp the burden of proof concept, and this is why no one takes you seriously, you are a sad little cunt and you believe in imaginary people tsk tsk tsk
@pandorachild LOL you are a stupid idiot, look keep rambling to your self kid, i was just pissed and took my anger out, but i still do stand by what i said, now go ahead and make an ass out of yourself. Bye. BTW What proof do you have to show there is no god? LOL
@whedonfreak976 You can stand by what you said but until you learn logic you will never win a debate.Your team has been trying for 2000 years and still hasn't offered a coherent argument that isn't flawed and then there is the whole bible being wrong about everything oh and the complete lack of any evidence to boot. It is almost conclusive that the god of the bible doesn't exist, but scientifically anything is possible and no atheist will say there is no god.
@pandorachild There is no doubt that science has disproven a lot of the bible, but i am not talking about god in the bible, but again, there is no way in knowing or proving it, but if you go by the bible and stuff yeah i mean i cannot deny that one. And i thought i was logical, in my question. But you have to go by the debate rules, i do not want to be looked at as a silly troll. And the best answer christians can give is hey i just chose to believe, there is no refuting facts. Science=facts.
@cvanunen Go screw a donkey, you know nothing about my mother you sick freak try and take care of a sick person like i do i have a life get one shit face, you are the moron. Now prove to me there is no god.
I'm kinda amazed anyone could mistake Hitchens for a Zionist when he is frequently and vocally opposed to the whole fucking idea. Perhaps understanding Hitchens (and, indeed, reality) on most subjects requires some appreciation for nuance and caveat, achievable only through a coherently functioning frontal cortex.
since when was hitchens a zionist?? he was against the way the country came into being and didn't support them.. he just disliked the muslim countries more..
I was just trying to have a conversation about religion, and atheism, but it seems that both sides act like complete idiots over this, it shows that people cannot have a debate without being attacked or called names, i do not look at atheist the same way anymore, to me atheist no different than the hate monger right wing christians who spew hate and ignorance, atheist are just as bad.
@whedonfreak976 and you are even worse, ignorant retard. Learn how to actually debate instead of repeating a flawed question. We cant stand your dishonesty, trying to shift the burden of proof and you actually think its means something.All you have proven is your trolling skills and inability to argue with reason or logic.You don't even know what atheism is and you actually think its up to everyone else to disprove god, cuz thats fair? dumbcunt
@pandorachild Answer the question, if it is flawed, then answer it, and shut me up. O K, That is all i am asking, i just want you to prove to me i am wrong about this, just give me proof. And the argument will be over.
@whedonfreak976 what proof?! you want me to disprove something you are unwilling to define, also you are shifting the burden of proof hence intellectual dishonesty.
@pandorachild Sigh, no, just that god is this mythical being who cannot be seen, so yes my people have to show proof, but the other side has to show proof of god not being real.
@whedonfreak976 exactly the point idiot, your team had just said there is a god and has never backed it up.Now I will say there is no god, prove me wrong?
@pandorachild What point? You are making no sense now, you did not even answer the question and now are acting even more stupid. And prove me wrong, what evidence do you have that god does not exist.
@whedonfreak976 you are exactly the same brain dead version of shock idiot, you cant grasp actual logic and are avoiding the fact that you must shift the burden of proof
@pandorachild Yes i do know what that is man, are you this dumb? The question was just to show that atheist do not have all the answers for the few who think they do, now does your little brain understand?
@whedonfreak976 no, all you showed is your flawed logic, we dont have to disprove any and all claims made, if you make a claim its up to you to prove it hence russles teapot.
@pandorachild Yeah i know that, and lack of evidence, means there is not enough evidence to disprove something. So what proof do you have to prove there is no god.
@rhubis I am not arguing with that, god this silly question was just aimed at the few wacko atheist not all of them, most of my friends on you tube are atheist, and i respect the heck out of them. So that was a great answer.
@whedonfreak976 I have admitted there is no proof as seen in your simple mind, but the point is moot, you need to prove there is god not us disprove there isnt.
@pandorachild O K no there is no proof either way man, none. And there is no proof that he does exist, i admit that, so you should have just said that in the first place jeez, instead of insulting people it makes you look stupid, but i will fire back if you insult me little man.
@whedonfreak976 you define god you stupid cunt, and we will disprove that definition then you will change what god means and we will disprove that one too. Repeating a flawed question give me prove something doesn't exists proves you are stupid and are not worth talking to.
@whedonfreak976 Asking over and over will never net you proof because anything we give would not constitute proof because its impossible to disprove the existance of something. You sound like a moron for asking it. Since the position of atheists is the null hypothesis.
@whedonfreak976 you are the dumbest shock of god puppet ever, you are dishonest and trolling. you dont understand logic and cant even make a coherent argument, proves that religious people are stupid as fuck.
@rhubis Wow that is the best you got now? That is pathetic, well the hulk is supposed to be on earth, and we cannot see him but god is supposed to be in the sky, so give me proof that god does not exist.
@whedonfreak976 We can't see the hulk? but he's just hiding somewhere, the comics even say that banner is hiding from the military. Give me proof that he's not hiding somewhere.
@whedonfreak976 Its not different at all, the hulk should be easier to disprove because he's not invisible. Prove that he doesn't exist (As i said before proving something doesn't exist is impossible).
@rhubis Yes the hulk is easier, but this is different, we are talking about a being who is supposed to be a spirit in the sky, it is hard to prove or disprove, so again show me proof that god does not exist.
@whedonfreak976 are you sure I might threaten you, troll. you never even answered the question, define god and explain the burden of proof troll. if you cant this trolling is over
@whedonfreak976 No I will not prove that god doesn't exist, it is for you to prove he does you dishonest cunt. I am tired of this stupidity you are simply trolling and have no arguments to justify your belief, you cant even define god, argument over.
@whedonfreak976 So you don't know how to read... Atheism is the null hypothesis, that measn that its the base level, the claim is that god exists and that is what you prove, you don't provide proof of the null, you provide proof of the claim and disprove the null, until the claim is proven the null is the accepted. Idiot.
@whedonfreak976 Prove he does. you accept that he doesn't until there is proof that he does. Not the other way around. I can act mature but you apparently can't read or act intelligent.
@whedonfreak976 Why prove that he doesn't!? There is no need! There isn't proof that he exists so the sensible position is that he doesn't exist. There is no way to prove that something doesn't exist! Idiot.
@pandorachild Yeah i know, there will never be proof either way. I guess atheist just use science because it has been proven well stuff like evolution, and the big bang theory stuff like that.
@whedonfreak976 So what? the correct response is always that the burden of proof is never on the null hypothesis. Asking for proof of the non existance is the dumbest thing you can do in one of these conversations but you keep asking it regardless.
@rhubis Not really, you do have to prove it, if you are gonna make that claim, there needs to be the burden of proof on the people making the claim yes, but when i ask you to prove that you know there is no god, you need to prove that as well.
@whedonfreak976 I want you to show me proof that The Incredible Hulk does not exist. There's many books and magazines about him so he must exist. Unless you can show me proof that he doesn't right now. I will wait. P.S. I know you're just a troll, no-one is actually as obtuse as you. You take pleasure in the anonimity of the internet because you're a coward. It doesn't matter either because you know what you are at the end of the day, so everyone you troll wins in the end.
@whedonfreak976 To be honest I know you're probably kidding, but you're so upsettingly unintelligent I can't be sure. Your argument about the Hulk is that since he's supposed to be on the ground then we would have seen him therefore he must not exist, but since God lives in the air...whoa wait, I thought god was everywhere. P.S. I've seen the Hulk in person, and quite frankly you can't prove that I haven't.
@cvanunen You are an idiot, the hulk is supposed to be flesh, god is supposed to be not, he is supposed to be a spirit, you are an idiot, now prove that god does not exist.
@whedonfreak976 I'm not sure what your point is. All I know is I'm still waiting for proof that the Hulk does not exist. I don't know why his physical make up should matter in your finding this proof. I'll just keep waiting.
@cvanunen The only point i am trying to make is to stupid atheist not the majority of atheist, but the very few who think they know there is no god, when it is just a silly debate, o k? Does this make sense.
@whedonfreak976 Actually that was the most human thing you've said in the last hour. Great. Here's the thing, I have yet to meet an atheist that claims there is no god. That, by definition, is not an atheist. So your battle is against the wrong people.
@cvanunen They are not real atheist they are what is the word? Crazies look this has been a horrible weekend for me o k? I took it out on the wrong people, and i pissed on a video made by mr coughlan that was supposed to be about hitchens. so my bad. But i do think that atheist need to be more civil in their debates, they remind me of the right wing libertarians yeesh
@whedonfreak976 Ok dude, but without trying to sound like a jerk, the way you argue is very dishonest. You don't show any sign of hearing other points or even understanding simple concepts. You can't really call everyone a 3 year old when you simply repeated the same thing over and over. Anyway, hope you have a better weekend. Cheers!
@whedonfreak976 You want proof then fine! Nothing living can be in all places at once, nothing can know everything due to uncertainty theory, nothing can be all powerful because of conservation of energy, nothing can be all loving and create evil. Is that proof? NO BECAUSE PROOF OF NON EXISTANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE! if you think otherwise then prove the hulk isn't real.
@whedonfreak976 Come on buddy, it can't be that hard to find some kind of evidence that a giant angry green man doesn't exist. Did you try wiki or google? It's ok I can wait.
@cvanunen That just shows how pathetic atheist are. Hulk has shape god does not, no one knows so again i will ask, what proof do you have that god does not exist.
@whedonfreak976 There is no proof and there doesn't need to be. Nobody knows that god exists or not because there is no proof but its sensible to say that he doesn't until there is proof. What is wrong with this statement?
@rhubis Look man i just want proof, but there is no way to give it, so forget it, you will never give proof of something that you cannot give proof to, and again, this was a horrible weekend for me, i just took it out on the wrong people. Just have your fun, o k? I am not mad, disappointed that when i wanted to ask a question, a lot of atheist instead of debating me, acted like 3 year olds.
@whedonfreak976 No you acted like a 3 year old by repeating the same question no matter how we explained that its the wrong question. Atheism is the null hypothesis, it is unprovable and does not need proof only the lack of proof on the side of the claim. Until there is proof of god the default position is that there is no god. Why is this so hard to understand?
@rhubis And you and your friends did as well. O K? And who was the one who started on me? Oh yea, so prove that god does not exist. o k? God you people are so stupid and thick headed. I want to let this go i really do moron.
@whedonfreak976 First answer why atheism needs proof. Its the null hypothesis. The very base level you need to answer why its not the null hypothesis.
@rhubis Hey man it is all good, i am not used to debating stuff like this, i will use this and learn, read up on how to debate properly on the subject again i was a wreck, and i am sorry, have a good one.
@whedonfreak976 I suggest reading up on the null hypothesis since it explains why the burden of proof isn't on atheism, its on the claim that god is real not on the rejection of that claim. That is why people were insulting you, we hear it alot and usually from people trolling. There is no way to prove he doesn't exist and its not up to us to do so. Repeating the question when we explained this was just bad form.
@whedonfreak976 Unfortunatly i explained that exact point 2 hours ago in pretty much the same wording and you said "Prove that god exists". That is why i got annoyed with you. There is no way possible to prove something doesn't exist and that is not what atheism is doing.
Hitchens was anything but a Zionist. He specifically says "Zionism is a stupid idea."
yamenhawit 2 days ago
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RIP Christopher Hitchens the world lost a very brilliant man
AnonymousTheMusician 4 days ago
Bottom line ... any tool who would have the balls to make a comment like: "The world is better off without him" (re: Hitchens) ... obviously has little education where it matters and doesn't know what or where they are in the scheme of their own fucking existence. But we need these people because they buy high-interest-rate loans and lots of petroleum by-products ... we need them ... gotta keep the wheels of destruction turning :)
oODarkEnergyOo 5 days ago
coughlan -- use your time and energy to learn HItchens, and help the world understand and embrace the objectivity and compassion for human beings this man had. You are wasting your time taking on someone like Hitchens whom we all need to know more about.
goldenster 6 days ago
Christopher Hitchens was certainly not a zionist.
0122460166 6 days ago
Fuck off coughlan
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paul1x1 1 week ago
Hitchens does not exist.
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We are lured into demeaning ea. other thru the dogmatic strictures of animalism/animalitarianism ("atheism") in order: to deny Spiritualism; to wage total war; to value animals above humans; to commit clinician-assisted aborticide; to befoul the water w/fluoride & serums w/mercury; to becloud the air w/aluminum oxide via tanker jets; to burn tumorous growths w/x-rays; to subject our hearts to allopathic diagnostics: radioactive dyes & Adrenalin-based stress tests; to venerate amoral men.
VitaminB17Channel 1 month ago
"Very much anti-Israeli... Israeli... whatever"
^xD
Edge0fPain 1 month ago
What a long, sad journey it's been Coughlan. Several banned accounts, and yet you keep coming back to youtube...
ulktz 1 month ago
Imagine a race! All the runners doing their best. The leader is well out in front. All are truly exhausted. There is a growing fear that the runners may die. The leader says, as he keeps running (and keeps winning) STOP, everybody stop, stop where you are, this is madness!! Imagine the spectators have money and futures are invested in them. Now, when anglo intellects of Hitchens ilk imply, 'It's all nonsense, stop the big machine' who gets left behind? forever? The alternative maybe worse, but..
mistersmith6000 1 month ago
so your the same freak who made this video .......and use a different id to harass people ...freak !
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btw, I am obviously BLOCKING you, MORON.
So, keep attacking people with false accusations you disgusting piece of shit.
914light 1 month ago
hitchens also was not a zoinist, for the record
tobbems 1 month ago
Fair enough.
I also think he was a bit of an imperialist asshole but he wasn't stupid and he certainly seemed to be his own man.
RIP
artinmey 1 month ago
hitchens was a RACIST dog
914light 1 month ago
@914light No he wasn't.
yerk3 1 month ago
@yerk3 he was a zionist tool and a RACIST ...and sorry for insulting dogs :(
914light 1 month ago
@914light He was actually anti-Zionist, or at lest anti-expansionist. He repeatedly criticized the Israeli government and the mindset behind Zionism, especially the religious argument for Zionism. I really would like to know what convinced you that he was a Zionist. As for him being racist, there's no evidence for that either. He hated religion, not any race.
yerk3 1 month ago
@914light you should be sued for such false accusation, you moron.
otavioandradas 1 month ago
@otavioandradas ...Kiss my ass you fucking retard !! punk bitch !!...I hate people like you worse then hitchen the homosexual communist piece of shit he was ...NOW FUCK YOU !!
914light 1 month ago
@914light ohhh...the stupid fucker got angry? poor your, asshole. You will spend you entire MEDIOCRE life attacking people. And that's because you are a fuckin piece of shit. But it's quite simple, it's all about psychology: your retarded parents haven't had the courage to tell you how USELESS and DUMB you are. Sorry, but someone has to tell you the truth. I am doing you a favor here: YOU ARE a dumb and useless human being. Now u can calm down and enjoy your pathetic pseudo-life.
otavioandradas 1 month ago
@otavioandradas ...kiss my ass you stupid hypocrite, punk !! ...you pathetic piece of trash ...you think you are the only one who has freedom of speech ...you dumb as worth excuse for a human .....YOU are an embarrassment to humanity !! ..NOW PISS OFF ..
914light 1 month ago
@914light useless kid: stop wasting people's time. Don't blame others for your own stupidity. If anything, you probably had the same shitty genes from your retarded parents. Keep your ignorance to yourself, moron.
otavioandradas 1 month ago
@otavioandradas ...I know hitchens cultist are to stupid to understand what "piss off" means .. so I'll tell ya ...it means DON'T send me anymore messages ..I not sure why you're under the impression I am someone you think gives a shit what you have to say, feel, think or believe ...BUT I DON'T !!! ...NOW piss off ...lets see if your smart enough to grasp a simple request ....PISS OFF
914light 1 month ago
@914light useless kid: what's wrong with you? drugs? retarded parents? too many whores in the family? total ignorance? stupidity? or all of the above? whatever it is, fuck off asshole.
otavioandradas 1 month ago
@otavioandradas ..thank you for proving my point .. !
914light 1 month ago
@914light useless kid: keep your disease to yourself, religious freak. You call Hitchens a racist because you are a coward hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
Enough of useless idiots like yourself. FUCK YOU.
otavioandradas 1 month ago
@914light what? you use FLOWERS for your profile??
not only a stupid moron, you are also a retarded hypocrite. Shame on you, idiot.
otavioandradas 1 month ago
I think Hitchens was a very talented man. I also think he was a pompous asshole who promoted imperialism. But I'm not gonna make a celebration video when the man has just died. Not only because of the death but also I can truly respect many things he did.
RIP Christopher.
saqib09 1 month ago
What the holy fuck are either of you talking about? Hitchens was committed for his entire adult life to justice for the Palestinians. He wrote a book w Edward Said on Israeli crimes and was critical of the occupation and various other Israeli policies for 30 years. Calling him a Zionist is a rank slander and shows that the speaker either doesn't know what they're talking about or is a liar.
abuliberalee 2 months ago 26
@abuliberalee true lol, I have actually never heard anybody as unbridled and vitriolic in his attacks on zionism. He referred to himself as an anti-zionist and was reviled about it by Zionists. Has anybody else ever even listened to Hitchens?
MrNicMachiavelli 1 month ago
@abuliberalee Hitchens wasn't a Zionist, but he was a neo-con.
He was a saint who sold his soul to the devil. Such a shame.
FuckSunnaShia 1 month ago
@FuckSunnaShia
"but he was a neo-con"
No. He supported the Neo Cons is the removal of Saddam Hussein through the 2nd gulf war.
There is more to "Neo Con" than just that.
Hitchens was a complicated man and not easy to put in a box - but he consistently opposed and hated tyrants - and you cant get much worse than Saddam.
richo61 1 month ago
@richo61 That's exactly the issue with you people, always partially informed. Always simplifying things.
Remember 1st that Iraq war wasn't about removing Saddam, it was about Saddam's WMDs & connection to AQ.
You believe that Bush's adminstration invaded Iraq primarily to remove Saddam?
& u got the guts to expect us to believe that too?!!!
Even Bill Maher critcised Hitchens for his stance on Iraq war.
& may I add, he was too smart to be accidentally that much wrong about Iraq.
FuckSunnaShia 1 month ago
@FuckSunnaShia "That's exactly the issue with you people"
What "people" do I belong to? Just curious.
"Always simplifying things."
Ha! Irony. You just stuck a label on someone because of his stance on a single issue and I am simplifying?
"You believe that Bush's adminstration invaded Iraq primarily to remove Saddam?"
No. Don't believe it. Didn't say it. Didn't even think it.
"Even Bill Maher critcised Hitchens for his stance on Iraq war."
So did I.
richo61 1 month ago
@richo61 Apologies then. I thought you were one of those with herd mentality.
Hitchens was a great soul, I think he wasn't only a great debater when it comes to religion, but perhaps the best person in the world to teach you how to criticize religion in a simple way that everyone can understand, that's why he was so successful as a public figure.
But his involvement with the neo-cons made him lose lots of credibility as many of his analyses & expectations appeared to be mere rubbish.
FuckSunnaShia 1 month ago
@FuckSunnaShia I think if you read enough you would find that he resisted easy categorization, both naturally and by intention. We have lost one of the handful of people who could not only keep the grey areas and complicated ambiguities sorted, but could also actually get above and interpret them.
manthasagittarius1 2 weeks ago
@manthasagittarius1 I actually read almost all of his recent written works. I also watched every televised appearance of Hitchens that I know of. He's a great thinker, no doubt, but his political speculations speak for themselves: look at what he said about Iraq's WMD (lol) & its connection to AQ (again, lol). Also the imminent revolution in Iran (big lol).
His views helped the world to go to unnecessary wars & avoid the necessary ones.
FuckSunnaShia 1 week ago
@abuliberalee Maybe he was in his earlier life but at the end he was more of a Zionist who supported Israels policies. Besides, he supported the war on Iraq.
themightyjoseph 1 month ago
I'm still trying to figure out how atheists were "influenced" by him. I didn't read any of his books nor used any of his ideas to influence my atheism. I guess I don't "get it".
HybridD91 2 months ago
@HybridD91 "influence ur atheism"? That makes no sense.
Bravo2zero0 2 months ago
"Passed away"? to where? I heard that the witty war-monger was simply dead.
hulakan 2 months ago
@hulakan It's a figure of speech, don't be a dick.
tml4873 2 months ago
So... how you gonna handle the whole Kim Jong Il thing? I love your shit... but... what now?
Pittsisamazing 2 months ago
This guy loves the sound of his own voice!
FlashmoreGash 2 months ago 9
Also Hitchen's was never a zionist. He supported the two state solution and autonomy for Palestine.
Moh5Itachi1 2 months ago
didn't he change his view on Vaccine? I remember an episode where he thought that the HPV vaccine that Texas(under perry) gave to school girls was a good idea.
Moh5Itachi1 2 months ago
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Hitchens was a warmongering cunt. Anyone who tried to justify the "wars on terror" the way Hitchens did is a piece of shit in my book. Going around the world "excusing" the war crimes committed by the Bush and Obama administration is an "evil" thing to do so yes, the world is a better place since his death. One less advocate for "organised murder, rape and pillage".
Wenutz 2 months ago
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Wenutz 2 months ago
Well it looks like one of whedonfreak976's moms called him to dinner. The moron show is now over.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen It really annoys me when people don't understand the simple idea of burden of proof or the null hypothesis...
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Quite simply, it's how uneducated people argue. He was probably home schooled with extreme indoctrination, and can't compile an intelligent argument. Rather than making any points he uses repetition as his strategy. It's basically like arguing with a parrot, and then getting mad about it. It's our fault entirely. Sometimes, however, I get a guilty pleasure by poking the parrot. It's like arguing molecular science with a baby. Great way to waste 15 minutes. ;)
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen You should talk, shit face, prove i am wrong, you are WASTING MY TIME,
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 are you all trolled out? still asking your asinine question even thought its been answered and proven to be a fallacy? Or was your only intention to troll atheists and make us look the the bad guys? Even with all of our help you couldn't even grasp the burden of proof concept, and this is why no one takes you seriously, you are a sad little cunt and you believe in imaginary people tsk tsk tsk
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild LOL you are a stupid idiot, look keep rambling to your self kid, i was just pissed and took my anger out, but i still do stand by what i said, now go ahead and make an ass out of yourself. Bye. BTW What proof do you have to show there is no god? LOL
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 You can stand by what you said but until you learn logic you will never win a debate.Your team has been trying for 2000 years and still hasn't offered a coherent argument that isn't flawed and then there is the whole bible being wrong about everything oh and the complete lack of any evidence to boot. It is almost conclusive that the god of the bible doesn't exist, but scientifically anything is possible and no atheist will say there is no god.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild There is no doubt that science has disproven a lot of the bible, but i am not talking about god in the bible, but again, there is no way in knowing or proving it, but if you go by the bible and stuff yeah i mean i cannot deny that one. And i thought i was logical, in my question. But you have to go by the debate rules, i do not want to be looked at as a silly troll. And the best answer christians can give is hey i just chose to believe, there is no refuting facts. Science=facts.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 you are no longer a cunt.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Gee thanks :).....Hey! xD
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@cvanunen epic funny, i too like to poke ;)
pandorachild 2 months ago
@cvanunen Go screw a donkey, you know nothing about my mother you sick freak try and take care of a sick person like i do i have a life get one shit face, you are the moron. Now prove to me there is no god.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Oh, you're back. Did you bring proof?
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen Did you bring a brain? Now show me proof that god does not exist
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
I'm kinda amazed anyone could mistake Hitchens for a Zionist when he is frequently and vocally opposed to the whole fucking idea. Perhaps understanding Hitchens (and, indeed, reality) on most subjects requires some appreciation for nuance and caveat, achievable only through a coherently functioning frontal cortex.
un2mensch 2 months ago
I have never seen maher flipp flopp on atheism. he sometimes just shuts up in order to get not stucked every week on religion discussions
erniehudson1 2 months ago
since when was hitchens a zionist?? he was against the way the country came into being and didn't support them.. he just disliked the muslim countries more..
1919dpg 2 months ago
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I was just trying to have a conversation about religion, and atheism, but it seems that both sides act like complete idiots over this, it shows that people cannot have a debate without being attacked or called names, i do not look at atheist the same way anymore, to me atheist no different than the hate monger right wing christians who spew hate and ignorance, atheist are just as bad.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 and you are even worse, ignorant retard. Learn how to actually debate instead of repeating a flawed question. We cant stand your dishonesty, trying to shift the burden of proof and you actually think its means something.All you have proven is your trolling skills and inability to argue with reason or logic.You don't even know what atheism is and you actually think its up to everyone else to disprove god, cuz thats fair? dumbcunt
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Answer the question, if it is flawed, then answer it, and shut me up. O K, That is all i am asking, i just want you to prove to me i am wrong about this, just give me proof. And the argument will be over.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 what proof?! you want me to disprove something you are unwilling to define, also you are shifting the burden of proof hence intellectual dishonesty.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Sigh, no, just that god is this mythical being who cannot be seen, so yes my people have to show proof, but the other side has to show proof of god not being real.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 wrong
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Prove it, prove to me i am wrong, just saying it, does not make it so.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 exactly the point idiot, your team had just said there is a god and has never backed it up.Now I will say there is no god, prove me wrong?
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild What point? You are making no sense now, you did not even answer the question and now are acting even more stupid. And prove me wrong, what evidence do you have that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 my teapot created your god, now prove he doesnt exists or you lose this argument conclusively.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild No, you do not know, what happened. Now what proof do you have that god does not exist. Proof please.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 listen shock, this must be amusing for you but I cant stand your dishonesty
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Yeah you are dishonest, you are calling me shock, i am not him stupid, now what proof do you have that god does not exist? What proof?
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 you are exactly the same brain dead version of shock idiot, you cant grasp actual logic and are avoiding the fact that you must shift the burden of proof
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Prove to me god does not exist please.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Don't need it, Null hypothesis and burden of proof. Where is your proof that Thor doesn't exist?
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Hey i never said that i know that god exist, my point is you do not have the proof that he does not.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 one honest question troll. Do you understand what the burden of proof is? because you keep asking for the impossible.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Yes i do know what that is man, are you this dumb? The question was just to show that atheist do not have all the answers for the few who think they do, now does your little brain understand?
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 no, all you showed is your flawed logic, we dont have to disprove any and all claims made, if you make a claim its up to you to prove it hence russles teapot.
but this doesnt matter to you, troll
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Show me proof then that god does not exist. Just give me proof, and i will shut up.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 okay are you ready? absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Yeah i know that, and lack of evidence, means there is not enough evidence to disprove something. So what proof do you have to prove there is no god.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Atheism might be wrong but its the sensible position until there is proof of existance.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis I am not arguing with that, god this silly question was just aimed at the few wacko atheist not all of them, most of my friends on you tube are atheist, and i respect the heck out of them. So that was a great answer.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 why do you keep repeating that question , i have answered it.
and its not a lack of evidence its a total lack of evidence.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild No you have not, i want proof please that is all
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 why do you want proof?
pandorachild 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 I have admitted there is no proof as seen in your simple mind, but the point is moot, you need to prove there is god not us disprove there isnt.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild O K no there is no proof either way man, none. And there is no proof that he does exist, i admit that, so you should have just said that in the first place jeez, instead of insulting people it makes you look stupid, but i will fire back if you insult me little man.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 DUMB CUNT!!!! I DID SAY IT YOU FUCKING RETARD
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Prove to me god does not exist you stupid nazi prick, prove it asshole i even try and be nice wow this is sad you stupid idiot.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 you define god you stupid cunt, and we will disprove that definition then you will change what god means and we will disprove that one too. Repeating a flawed question give me prove something doesn't exists proves you are stupid and are not worth talking to.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild No, you prove to me that there is no god, come on nazi punk show me the proof then.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Asking over and over will never net you proof because anything we give would not constitute proof because its impossible to disprove the existance of something. You sound like a moron for asking it. Since the position of atheists is the null hypothesis.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Sigh but if you make a claim without proper evidence it is worth asking. Right?
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 No because its the rejection of a claim not a claim in itself. Rejecting a claim on the basis that there isn't enough proof for it.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis But you need proof to convince me that god does not exist, show me the proof.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 you are the dumbest shock of god puppet ever, you are dishonest and trolling. you dont understand logic and cant even make a coherent argument, proves that religious people are stupid as fuck.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Thank you for proving that you cannot answer the question, thanks :) Now what proof do you have that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 define god shock of god troll.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild I did, now answer the question nazi prick.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Also you never gave proof that the hulk isn't real.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Wow that is the best you got now? That is pathetic, well the hulk is supposed to be on earth, and we cannot see him but god is supposed to be in the sky, so give me proof that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 We can't see the hulk? but he's just hiding somewhere, the comics even say that banner is hiding from the military. Give me proof that he's not hiding somewhere.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Again, 2 different type of creatures, so give me proof that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 You didn't give me proof that the hulk doesn't exist and is hiding somewhere (hint proving non existance is impossible)
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis But this is about something different. So please give me the proof of god not existing please.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Its not different at all, the hulk should be easier to disprove because he's not invisible. Prove that he doesn't exist (As i said before proving something doesn't exist is impossible).
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Yes the hulk is easier, but this is different, we are talking about a being who is supposed to be a spirit in the sky, it is hard to prove or disprove, so again show me proof that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 So its easier. Give me one single piece of proof that the hulk isn't real (you can't do it for the same reason, its impossible)
rhubis 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 are you sure I might threaten you, troll. you never even answered the question, define god and explain the burden of proof troll. if you cant this trolling is over
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild You are such a child, now i did define god, now you show me the proof, that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 No I will not prove that god doesn't exist, it is for you to prove he does you dishonest cunt. I am tired of this stupidity you are simply trolling and have no arguments to justify your belief, you cant even define god, argument over.
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild No, you have to give proof that he does not exist as well, so give me proof that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 So you don't know how to read... Atheism is the null hypothesis, that measn that its the base level, the claim is that god exists and that is what you prove, you don't provide proof of the null, you provide proof of the claim and disprove the null, until the claim is proven the null is the accepted. Idiot.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Poor baby insulting, now answer the question, what proof do you have that god does not exist. Please give proof.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Learn to read. I explained that saying something doesn't exist doesn't need proof.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis I can read, you cannot act mature, now answer the question please. What proof do you have that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Prove he does. you accept that he doesn't until there is proof that he does. Not the other way around. I can act mature but you apparently can't read or act intelligent.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis I cannot prove that he exist, now you prove that he does not exist, show me proof that god does not exist please.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Why prove that he doesn't!? There is no need! There isn't proof that he exists so the sensible position is that he doesn't exist. There is no way to prove that something doesn't exist! Idiot.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Wow i guess the stupidity returned huh? O K i will ask again what proof do you have that god does not exist? I will wait
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 why wait for something you now will never come?
why dont you understand? the burden of proof ?
pandorachild 2 months ago
@pandorachild Yeah i know, there will never be proof either way. I guess atheist just use science because it has been proven well stuff like evolution, and the big bang theory stuff like that.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 So what? the correct response is always that the burden of proof is never on the null hypothesis. Asking for proof of the non existance is the dumbest thing you can do in one of these conversations but you keep asking it regardless.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Not really, you do have to prove it, if you are gonna make that claim, there needs to be the burden of proof on the people making the claim yes, but when i ask you to prove that you know there is no god, you need to prove that as well.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 I want you to show me proof that The Incredible Hulk does not exist. There's many books and magazines about him so he must exist. Unless you can show me proof that he doesn't right now. I will wait. P.S. I know you're just a troll, no-one is actually as obtuse as you. You take pleasure in the anonimity of the internet because you're a coward. It doesn't matter either because you know what you are at the end of the day, so everyone you troll wins in the end.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen That is so stupid, the hulk was supposed to be here, god is supposed to be in the air, DERP
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 To be honest I know you're probably kidding, but you're so upsettingly unintelligent I can't be sure. Your argument about the Hulk is that since he's supposed to be on the ground then we would have seen him therefore he must not exist, but since God lives in the air...whoa wait, I thought god was everywhere. P.S. I've seen the Hulk in person, and quite frankly you can't prove that I haven't.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen No i am not kidding are you? Now prove to me god is not real show me the proof.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 No I'm not kidding either, now prove to me the Hulk doesn't exist. Show me proof of his non existence. I will wait.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen You are an idiot, the hulk is supposed to be flesh, god is supposed to be not, he is supposed to be a spirit, you are an idiot, now prove that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 I'm not sure what your point is. All I know is I'm still waiting for proof that the Hulk does not exist. I don't know why his physical make up should matter in your finding this proof. I'll just keep waiting.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen The only point i am trying to make is to stupid atheist not the majority of atheist, but the very few who think they know there is no god, when it is just a silly debate, o k? Does this make sense.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Actually that was the most human thing you've said in the last hour. Great. Here's the thing, I have yet to meet an atheist that claims there is no god. That, by definition, is not an atheist. So your battle is against the wrong people.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen They are not real atheist they are what is the word? Crazies look this has been a horrible weekend for me o k? I took it out on the wrong people, and i pissed on a video made by mr coughlan that was supposed to be about hitchens. so my bad. But i do think that atheist need to be more civil in their debates, they remind me of the right wing libertarians yeesh
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Ok dude, but without trying to sound like a jerk, the way you argue is very dishonest. You don't show any sign of hearing other points or even understanding simple concepts. You can't really call everyone a 3 year old when you simply repeated the same thing over and over. Anyway, hope you have a better weekend. Cheers!
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen I know, it shows I have never really debated atheism before huh? Sigh, oh well i am better at economics, and thanks :) You as well.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 It would be like me arguing with Christians for stoning a woman who was raped.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 You want proof then fine! Nothing living can be in all places at once, nothing can know everything due to uncertainty theory, nothing can be all powerful because of conservation of energy, nothing can be all loving and create evil. Is that proof? NO BECAUSE PROOF OF NON EXISTANCE IS IMPOSSIBLE! if you think otherwise then prove the hulk isn't real.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Prove to me god does not exist, come on jack ass. Prove it.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Come on buddy, it can't be that hard to find some kind of evidence that a giant angry green man doesn't exist. Did you try wiki or google? It's ok I can wait.
cvanunen 2 months ago
@cvanunen That just shows how pathetic atheist are. Hulk has shape god does not, no one knows so again i will ask, what proof do you have that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 I gave proof earlier and you've still not managed to prove that the hulk doesn't exist.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis No you did not now give prove of that god does not exist, if i am so stupid it should be so easy to prove.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 There is no proof and there doesn't need to be. Nobody knows that god exists or not because there is no proof but its sensible to say that he doesn't until there is proof. What is wrong with this statement?
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Yes you do need proof, either way, you need proof, now what proof do you have that god does not exist.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Null hypothesis moron. Its not a claim.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Prove there is no god.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Do you not understand what the null hypothesis is?
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Look man i just want proof, but there is no way to give it, so forget it, you will never give proof of something that you cannot give proof to, and again, this was a horrible weekend for me, i just took it out on the wrong people. Just have your fun, o k? I am not mad, disappointed that when i wanted to ask a question, a lot of atheist instead of debating me, acted like 3 year olds.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 No you acted like a 3 year old by repeating the same question no matter how we explained that its the wrong question. Atheism is the null hypothesis, it is unprovable and does not need proof only the lack of proof on the side of the claim. Until there is proof of god the default position is that there is no god. Why is this so hard to understand?
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis And you and your friends did as well. O K? And who was the one who started on me? Oh yea, so prove that god does not exist. o k? God you people are so stupid and thick headed. I want to let this go i really do moron.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 First answer why atheism needs proof. Its the null hypothesis. The very base level you need to answer why its not the null hypothesis.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Hey man it is all good, i am not used to debating stuff like this, i will use this and learn, read up on how to debate properly on the subject again i was a wreck, and i am sorry, have a good one.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 I suggest reading up on the null hypothesis since it explains why the burden of proof isn't on atheism, its on the claim that god is real not on the rejection of that claim. That is why people were insulting you, we hear it alot and usually from people trolling. There is no way to prove he doesn't exist and its not up to us to do so. Repeating the question when we explained this was just bad form.
rhubis 2 months ago
@rhubis Thanks, i will not debate this until i read up on this topic, i do not want people to think i am stupid.
whedonfreak976 2 months ago
@whedonfreak976 Unfortunatly i explained that exact point 2 hours ago in pretty much the same wording and you said "Prove that god exists". That is why i got annoyed with you. There is no way possible to prove something doesn't exist and that is not what atheism is doing.
rhubis 2 months ago