Joseph's wife Melcha died soon after the birth of their last child. And so, Joseph was a widower. There were 6 (SIX) children: 4 Boys & 2 Girls. Names: Son's= James, Jude(or,Judas), Simeon and Justus, and Daughters= Aaisha and Lydia. Note: The youngest, i.e. James, was 16yrs older than Jesus!! These ARE the(half or step) brothers & sisters of JESUS CHRIST !!! Also note, that James and Jude ARE the Gospel Writers!! Above all else, The BIBLE is a BOOK OF MORAL INSTRUCTION !!
Joseph's wife Melcha died soon after the birth of their last child. And so, Joseph was a widower. There were 6 (SIX) children: 4 Boys & 2 Girls. Names: Son's= James, Jude(or,Judas), Simeon and Justus, and Daughters= Aaisha and Lydia. Note: The youngest, i.e. James, was 16yrs older than Jesus!! These ARE the(half or step) brothers & sisters of JESUS CHRIST !!! Also note, that James and Jude ARE the Gospel Writers!! Above all else, The BIBLE is a BOOK OF MORAL INSTRUCTION !!
this host is disrespectful..and these two people just got served by This Priest...thats why they are interrupting to avoid the answers of the priest..they are afraid that the people will turn away from their own show and support the priest..
ALL have fallen short, ALSO INCLUDEs JESUS!! NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE does it say THAT JESUS WAS BORN WITHOUT SIN !!!There is NO MENTION, anywhere in the BIBLE, ever, that Mary HAD "Children !!!"
So, You protestants NEED, an Authority {singular}to teach you HOW to read & UNDERSTAND HOLY SCRIPTURE !!!!----- not 53,000 !!! Also, let me tell you, that you are holding AND arguing about :"A CATHOLIC BOOK !!" i.e.The B I B L E !!!
@rufodsouza why should you pray to a dead person, because no where in the bible it says that mary arrouse from the dead! another point, no where in the bible it says that mary accomplished any miracles! catholic people pray for miracles to saints and mary. why do u pray to someone who is dead?!!!!!!!!!
First, I want to thank you for keeping me accountable. Sometimes I forget that the "users" on the other end of my keyboard are real people with emotions, families, etc. I would not be so harsh with missgreeneyes if I spoke with her in person. I will apologize to her and will also do a better job next when I disagree with someone on youtube.
To answer your other questions will take more space than is allowed here. So, I will send you a message to address those.
Mary was conceived IN sin but she brought forth WITHOUT sin. In other words, her parents had original sin but she did not. It's got nothing to do with sex being a sin. Dr martin likes to quote the doctors of the Church out of context but he ignored Duns Scotus who is called Doctor Subitilis for his great understanding of scripture.
@edadan2009 If the tabernacle in the desert and the Holy of Holies in the Temple had to be completely pure to hold the words of the covenant then, how holy must have been the vessel that contained the Word, God Almighty? Mary was pure and undefiled from her conception in the mind of God.
No, she was pure and undefiled in the mind of missgreeneyes.
God said that ALL have sinned and fall short of His glory. (Rom 3:23) That's scripture - that's what God said. Why do Catholics try to deny this with human "wisdom". You make God out to be a liar with your traditions. Do you think God is pleased with you?
When Joseph returned from Egypt with Mary and Jesus, there was no other child in the Gospel report to say Jesus had siblings. At the Cross, there was no other son of Mary, that would take Mary home, Jesus gave His mother to John to take home. Such evidence shows Mary probably never had sex with her husband Joseph, that Joseph could have had other wives, he may have been an older man at that, or that first cousins were identified as brothers and sisters , but had different mothers.
Mother of God means not that Mary created God, but that God the Invisible , He of the Unapproachable Light in the Highest , came down into our dimension of physical reality , through the favor of a woman , who then correctly said is the Mother of God, To be the Mother of God, means not to create , but to carry , to serve, to protect and to give substance of her body, a material gift, to the Being of God, that then God was appearing as Incarnate God. Mother is a Suffering Servant.
Weather Mary was a sinner or wasn't a sinner, God did cleanse her, so she can be pure clean to be the mother of his son, and of couse if Mary was a sinner, she was born from a sinner, but God chose her to be the mother of his son, and she didn't say no to God, she said yes. don't u think God forgave her sins at that time and cleanse all her sins? yes i think so he did. God wouldn't let his son be born by a sinner, no no no, Mary was already holy before jesus was born.
Note at 2:00 - 2:30 John read's a catholic statement on Mary and then ask's the priest where they find that in belief in scripture....... The priest never goes to scripture for his answer, because its not in the Bible.
Jesus was not born with flesh of His mother.Christ flesh was distinct man like any man but not like man in everyway. no contradiction Hebrews says, Of God to Christ a body You have prepared for Me.Christ a Lamb without blemish distinct for sacrifice. Protestants agree Christ body was born sinless but they think flesh the same as all men impossible.Christ filled the model of man but excelled. If all fesh is the same Adam before the fall could have redeemed But.Adam was dust Christ Spirit made
The Blessed Virgin Mary is perfect, she is The True Ark of Covenant, who ever wants proof via Scripture That Our Blessed Mother is perfect and is Immaculate message me.
@MysticalCity really because only Jesus Christ was perfect, only Christ was the True Ark of Covenant, and if you can proof via Scripture that Mary is perfect I will belive you. But until then I don't need a medator to God because that is Jesus Christ. Message me if you find Scripture. :)
@MegaByrdman2 i don't think you understand, if you knew you wouldn't have said that, but anyway, what did the Ark of Covenant in The OT hold? The 10 Commandments, What did the Blessed Virgin Mary carry? The Word of God, to say that Jesus(God In The flesh was born from a sinner is just beyond blasphemy) If Jesus is The New Adam, The Blessed Virgin Mary is the New Eve, im gonna message you proof.
@MysticalCity blasphemy! I'll tell you whats blasphemy praying and actually beliving in the fact that Mary is as holy as Jesus Christ! Have you ever read John 14:6. Mary was a sinner, Jesus was born of a sinner to signifiy He was fully man and fully God. He came from sin yet never did sin. Ever heard of James, Jesus's brother, son of Mary wait a second I thought she was a Virgin all her life. Christ is the only way to God! And thats that!
@MegaByrdman2 wow, read my message rookie, St. Matt. 26:53 – Jesus says He can call upon the assistance of twelve legions of angels. If Jesus said He could ask for the assistance of angels. And we are to imitate Jesus in word and in deed, that means i can pray to any saint i want, and to Our Blessed Mother.
Jesus is described as an second Adam, yes. But Mary is not the new Eve. Our new beings have absolutely nothing to do with Mary. God is THE redeemer and the savior. But Mary is not God. She is a creature. Jesus made her.
Jesus was born through the womb of Mary as a son of Joseph. But Jesus was not born "by" Joseph and Mary. Jesus was born "by" the Holy Spirit. Mary was a sinner when Jesus was born. A sinner and a servant Mary didn't inherit "sin" to Jesus, neither did Joseph.
@akma4444 to say God entered this world through a sinner is beyond blasphemy, if The Blessed Virgin Mary is not perfect, then Jesus is not perfect, a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit.
St.John 19:26 - Jesus makes The Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of us all as He dies on the Cross by saying "behold your mother." Jesus did not say "John, behold your mother" because he gave Mary to all of us, his beloved disciples. All the words that Jesus spoke on Cross had a divine purpose.
God became flesh through perfect Holy Spirit. Mary was not Perfect; only God is. Mary is NEVER a tree of Jesus.. Jesus is a Creator. Jesus made Mary. Mary is a fruit of Jesus.
to say God entered this world through the womb of a sinner is not blasphemy. Our God was condamned by being crucified on a tree. do you proclaim that and that's not blasphemy?
Mary is not my mother; she is not yours either. John 19:27 - Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! .... ok?
it says "then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother." are you the disciple?
it's not even funny you saying i don't understand the bible. Mary obviously had kids. She had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born. John 7:5 "For even his(Jesus) own brothers did not believe in him."
can a bad tree bring forth good fruit? No. but Mary is not a tree of Jesus. How dare you. Jesus is the tree of Mary. Period.
God used the womb of a creature Mary and the bloodline of Joseph. that was all
@akma4444 since you know NOTHING when it comes to tradition, let me dumb it down for you,
why was The Blessed Virgin Mary ONLY looking for Jesus at the temple?
why did Jesus tell St.John to take care of His Mother, wouldn't He have told His "real" brother if he had one?
John 7:3-4; Mark 3:21 - we see that younger "brothers" were advising Jesus. But this would have been extremely disrespectful for devout Jews if these were Jesus' biological brothers.
Since you know nothing when it comes to the Bible, let me dumb it down for you.
Jesus had brothers. But Jesus told John to take care of Mary becasue Jesus trusted John the most? The exact reason i wouldn't know but that does NOT prove Mary died as a virgin.
And the most importantly, The bible says Mary had sons and daughters. John 7:5, Galatians 1:19 (I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother.)
@akma4444 if protestants say that Jesus had other brothers then why was The Blessed Virgin ONLY looking for Jesus at the temple?
Luke 22:32 - Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his "brethren." In this case, we clearly see Jesus using "brethren" to refer to the other apostles, not his biological brothers.
Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus' "brothers" amounts to about 120. That is a lot of "brothers." Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.
@MalevenRalyks "lololol you fail"? do you play call of duty? to even think The Mother of God would have relations with St. Joseph has to be the dumbest and most ignorant thing ever,
this doesn't even make any sense,
imagine Jesus and his brothers playin, 2 of them start arguing, then Our Blessed Mother says, "why can't you be perfect like your older brother"??????? yea right
@MysticalCity Oh yeah, cuz having sex with your husband totally crazy, definitely the dumbest and most ignorant thing ever. I mean, seriously, who would want to have sex?! Especially with your spouse!
I think you are right about your second point though. However, I think that Jesus would have been wise and understanding enough to have prevented such situations from occurring by heading the wisdom taught in Scripture.
@MysticalCity lololololol you fail...If Jesus is the "New Adam" and you say that Mary is the "New Eve"...lets take a look at Genesis...Oh my, Eve came from Adam, not Adam from Eve.
I, also being an Evangelical Christian DO agree that she is the Mother of God. This term is logically true and while I can see why Protestants of the time objected to the title, I feel that this was "making the Deku Tree into the Water Temple."
@MalevenRalyks Ezek. 44:2 - Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of The Blessed Virgin Mary's perpetual virginity. The Blessed Virgin Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.
@thetorvasal You can not truly make such a claim without actually reading the hearts of men. Second, if Scripture was SO clear, then why are there 30K denomination trying to interpret Scripture?
@sgal88 Who cares? You lump all protestants in with each other, all heretical and apostate. I lump YOU in with all the snake-handlers and tongues-speakers - all heretical and apostate. It's not "my team" vs. "your team". There is MUCH purposeful confusion and false teaching to be avoided... the "Church" will not save you.
@sgal88 Sorry - He is the fullness of Truth (His words), NOT the "Church", Roman Catholic or otherwise. You have been brainwashed by the largest and oldest cult in the world, and if you continue to place your faith in a man-made institution, or in your own adherence to its precepts, instead of in the living Word, you will go to Hell.
@cheagan He, who is the fullness of Truth, reveals all truth through ONE Church, which just happens to be Catholic. It is the largest and like Chesterton said..that if it were truly evil, it would not have survived for this long." If you refuse to enter into the true faith, you put your soul in complete jeopardy.
@sgal88 Even in "mainline Protestant Christianity", we recognize that when ANY church claims to be the sole repository of truth, they show themselves to be a cult - call them Jehovah's Witnesses, or the Church of God, or Jim Jones and his bunch. Just as it was in the Old Testament, there is the "official" church, or Temple, with its priesthood and pomp and paraphernalia, and then there is the REMNANT. Catholicism is the ancient cult of mother-and-son (Semiramis). Research it for yourself.
@cheagan You have to look at the tradition and apostolic succession. By mentioning the Old Testament church, you have shown ignorance. You probably did not know that God broke his pact with them when the temple was destroyed.
@sgal88 What does that have to do with anything? You probably don't know that Jesus was ALWAYS the One prophesied in the Old Testament. How's that for tradition? As for "apostolic succession", try explaining the abhorrent actions of MOST of the popes through the middle ages, who bought their positions and ruled in such profligate decadence that John XII's reign was called the "Pornocracy"! Are you actually using the legitimacy of the papacy to uphold your claim to truth? Read a history book.
@sgal88 Are you for real? Did you just admit that the pope has something in common with Judas Iscariot? It just so happens that you're right, but to see a Catholic back into that position on his own is a rare treat indeed! And Jesus knew about Judas all along (Jn. 13:26), just as He knew He had to be crucified all along, as He tried to explain to His disciples on many occasions. HE ORCHESTRATED THE WHOLE THING, and if you would read the Reformation theologians, it might make sense to you.
So you admit that even Jesus pick sinful men to follow him. You ignorance is pretty incredible. It is sad you can not see the logic. Popes are sinners as well. You make them out to seem as if they had to be without sin, which the Church never taught. You are either being intellectually dishonest, or don't understand the context I just put it into. You are first to try to evade the very logic while other Protestants even admit to it and try to side step it with their poor understanding of Writ.
@cheagan And don't change the subject. Why must I trust in "tradition", undefined and changing (as the RCC does change its theology), when I know that the "traditions" Paul refers to in 2 Thes. 2:15 would NEVER contradict the teachings in the New Testament, but are instead INCLUDED in it! Otherwise, what's to prevent Satan from infiltrating the church and enticing us to follow things that appeal to our sinful nature (like the chivalry inherent on a mother-son cult); after all, it's tradition!
@cheagan You can't simply write off (nearly) the entire history of the Roman Catholic Church by claiming that "they're only human"! For crying out loud, why on earth would you follow those men? Why do you spend your time defending Judas? Give me John, Paul, James, Peter, any of the other disciples who DIDN'T BETRAY JESUS, but you can keep your popes. Recognize a worldly, fleshly kingdom when you see one.
Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven."
What a couple of pricks get a life.......They are sittin here spouting a lot of crap and meanwhile little babies down the road are being aborted......hundreds of thousands of them......
Are you all hating on our FAITH or the leaders in the church? Everyone in the church including Pope all have sin, we are not perfect. I am quite confused with you protestants, because sometimes you dont like us because of our teachings (which you have no proof are wrong), and then sometimes you dont like us because a PERSON who has FREE WILL just happens to be Catholic, and did something wrong. Make up your minds what your actual problem is. I think you dont know, you're just un-educated.
Catholicism is an evil cult that has institutionalized child rape and promotes poverty in African countries by lying about birth control, all tax-exempt!
Atheists, it's time to take a proactive stance against the last refuge of human savagery!
It's a shame how protestants simply quote from the bible instead of living out the true message of Jesus (which requires no preaching or converting, but simply good works and respect for others). they live by the word of the law and not the spirit of the law. very surprised that pacwa mentioned nothing about this. (by the way, who is actually feeding thousands in 3rd world countries without having to preach against local religions first? protestants? i think not!!
@jofo817 the vatican houses the doctrine of devils itself..FACT! you go to a priest for the forgiveness of sin and i tell you by the word of GOD..you are NOT forgiven...for only through Christ is a person forgiven of their sins. The papacy and his priesthood has done exactly as Paul said the son of perdition would do..USURP CHRIST position of the mediator between GOD and man..thus believing a lie (priest forgiving sins) and not loving the truth in which you can be SAVED..cont..
@07braves wow, seriously? it's not black and white like that. there's more meaning behind it. by no means is this sacrament trying to replace or parallel Christ.
@solisdemexico my friend...this is the most important thing in a believers life...it deals with your salvation. If a man, priest, pastor, woman..anyone..is between you and Jesus and they say you are forgiven by what they say..you are not truly forgiven. Here is salvation: one comes to Christ in prayer , you ask JESUS/ GOD to forgive you of your sin, you ask the LORD to wash you clean from your sin. you ask the LORD to be your savior , you believe that he rose from the grave..TRUST ONLY IN CHRIST
@solisdemexico ..no sacraments, no baptism, no works will save you..ONLY Christ..trust in ONLY him..not man, nor yourself..you cant save yourself, and no man can forgive you of your sins unto GOD. Now saying all that, can a person help you in your prayer to the savior..YES..BUT the only way a man can say "you are forgiven"..is by your response to CHRIST!...you reject Christ atonement, or trust in anything except Christ..you are NOT saved..When you trust Christ only..then you are forgiven!
@jofo817 # 2..lets touch on a title of the popes..."PONTIFEX MAXIMUS" and also know as the ROMAN PONTIFF..we all know this title was originally used by the pagan priesthood of rome..going all the way back to Babylon. But this is not the point i want to make. The title PONTIFEX MAXIMUS means "the great bridge builder"..being a pagan title..the pagan worshipers seen this as the priest being a mediator between a god and man (BRIDGE BUILDER BETWEEN GOD AND MAN)..UNDERSTAND..this is ANTI-CHRIST!
@jofo817 Being a Latter-Day Saint I have to, not necessarily agree with, but, side with anyone who shows Walter why he's wrong. He puts down many denominations of Christianity, LDS included, yet he claims himself to be a Christian. Not to mention he messes up the birth of Christ somehow.
@majinish "He puts down many denominations of Christianity." As does the Mormon church. All church's other than the Mormon church are wrong, an abomination and corrupt in the the sight of God according to the false prophet Smith. So stop playing the martyr card, the anti-mormon card, or any other card, for you as a Mormon do the exact same thing that you accuse Walter Martin of doing. Grow up already and stop lying.
@TheJpgr1958 Nope. We don't put down churches. Jesus Christ was the one that told Joseph Smith that all other churches are wrong. Joseph Smith was martyred and yes, you seem to be an anti-mormon. Not once have I lied.
@majinish "Nope. We don't put down churches." That is a down out lie. "Jesus Christ was the one that told Joseph Smith that all other churches are wrong." As Jesus Christ allegedly told Charles Taze Russell for the JW, Mary Baker Eddy for the Christian Scientist, Sun Yung Moon for the Moonies, plus a host of other groups who all claim their leader was called by God to restore the church, or heard from God etc. "you seem to be an anti-mormon." Ah yes, playing the anti card. Typical. Very sad.
@majinish Again, you should never engage in a ny kind of scholastic debate on this or any subject concerning Mormonism. You would be laughed out of the building and you would fold like a cheap suit.
@TheJpgr1958 You couldn't be more wrong. No, I wouldn't be laughed out of the building. And I shouldn't be in a debate about the church on -any- subject? Is that including the scriptures? If so then that's one subject I recommend no critic getting involved in with me.
@majinish "I recommend no critic getting involved in with me." That's one heck of a assertion on your part. Tell you what. To prove that to us, why don't you post, either audio or video, of you engaged in a scholastic type of debate where you defend this assertion of yours? If you can't, then this is nothing but pure smoke and mirrors on your part. It would also prove that you are one arrogant, narcissistic fool. So we are waiting with baited breath for the evidence.
@TheJpgr1958 Yea, in regards to the scriptures that's something I recommend you not get involved in with me as far as a discussion goes as well as any other critic.
@"If you can't, then this is nothing but pure smoke and mirrors on your part." Naw, it's actually because I don't record things. I've talked to critics on facebook and yahoo answers and they were easily disproven. And it's not arrogance when I've actually done it before so it's called facts.
@majinish "Yea, in regards to the scriptures that's something I recommend you not get involved in with me as far as a discussion goes as well as any other critic." Another narcissistic comment. "I've talked to critics on facebook and yahoo answers and they were easily disproven." Your kidding right? Facebook and Yahoo answers?? That to you defines a scholastic debate? No. I'm talking about a real debate with a moderater, time limits, cross examination. Not an internet debate.
@majinish "I've also seen other videos with Walter, haha, and have seen how "much", in fact little, he knows about Christianity and the scriptures." When you have a serious debate with all the rules that I outlined in my previous comment, please record and post it so we can see if what you state about your skills are true. But I doubt you would ever engage in anything like that. So just stick to your internet discussions. You are a lot safer. Also humility would suit you better.
@majinish That would be like having a discussion at a Starbucks. What a joke you are. When you have a serious debate with all the rules that I outlined in my previous comment, please record and post it so we can see if what you state about your skills are true. But I doubt you would ever engage in anything like that. So just stick to your internet discussions. Your a lot safer behind your keyboard.
@TheJpgr1958 I'd have no problem talking to people about why the church is true. I mean with the scriptures, including the Bible, it's real easy to do.
@majinish "I'd have no problem talking to people about why the church is true. I mean with the scriptures, including the Bible, it's real easy to do." Another narcissistic comment. What a joke you are. When you have a serious debate with all the rules that I outlined in my previous comment, please record and post it so we can see if what you state about your skills are true. But I doubt you would ever engage in anything like that. So just stick to your internet discussions.
@majinish THis kid does not know scripture I slay him on another Mitch Pacqua debate with this same guy on the subject of the Pope . This jpr guy knows no scripture he throws little digs at our Pope is all .Meanwhile if the Pope were face to face with him he would crap a brick . The Pope has more knowledge in his pinky then jpr here would have in his entire body .
@CAtholic29 Ummm, just to let you know, majinish is a Mormon, who believes that the RCC is the whore of Babylon. Why in the world would you want to talk to him about any of this? Perhaps you should realize who you are commenting to before you push the "post" button.
@TheJpgr1958 majinish is a mormon ? who cares . I was their to deal with you . He is in error because his founder lied or was deceived by a demon end of story . Same result for Muhammad . REv 17 is refering to NERO and the ROman Empire . I was going to you not him . But thank you for leading me to him may be I can help him in some way .
@CAtholic29 But thank you for leading me to him may be I can help him in some way." Umm I doubt that, for what good are you to a Mormon, when you have turned a blind eye to what your vicar of christ on earth did to the graduating students at Notre Dame. But that's ok for you I guess. Inconsistency for you means nothing.
@CAtholic29 The scriptures say Satan can appear as an angel of light but does not say he can appear as the Father or the Son and definitely not at the same time. Even with that, saying Moroni was really Satan would contradict Jesus' teachings. He said anyone that testifies Jesus came in flesh is of God. Moroni did that so he was of God. I'm a member of Jesus Christ's church so I don't need your help.
@majinish If you were familiar with the far out doctrines of Joseph Smith you most likely would not be in that church today .(Galatians 1: 8)- "If we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other then the one we preached to you let that one be accursed " The Mormon teaching of Joe Smith was that Jesus and Satan were brothers o Kolob and that God was their father . That they did battle on that planet and Satan lost and his followers were the black people and Jesus was with the white.
@CAtholic29 That's where you critics go wrong. I do know what Joseph Smith taught. You assume we don't look up the history of the church. Guess what, we do. Joseph Smith taught THE true gospel of Jesus Christ. And obviously you don't know our history going by your last statement.
@majinish I do know your history and you need to go back to where Joseph Smith taught this . And read Galatians 1:8 both the Mormon founder Joe smith and the Muslim founder Muhammad obviously were unaware of those verses . Either both of them made it up (which is most likely considering Smith went to methodist bible studies at that time of his church foundation )or demons came to them ( after reading Galatians 1:8 you would understand ) I did not come looking for you JPR lead me here .
@CAtholic29 I've read Galatians 1:8. Joseph Smith taught the gospel of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon contains the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ (Revelation 14:6). God the Father and Jesus Christ came to Joseph Smith as did Moroni who was a messenger sent by God.
@majinish DO you get the point of Gal 1:8? Joe Smith claimed to have been visited by angel , his teachings were different then the gospel . Every man is not a potential GOd . Satans people were not the black people ,and the people on the fence in the great battle on Kolob are not the south Americans and Asians
@CAtholic29 I know the verse very well. So you think ALL angels are demons? You don't think God has angels? Joseph Smith taught nothing but the truth and nothing contrary to the Bible.
majinishI believe that the so called angels who visited Joe and Muhammad either were demons or they made the stories up because they were opportunists.God has angels alright no argument there . .If he taught nothing but the truth and not contradicting the bible then why do you suppose he taught that every male in the moron faith is going to be a god on their own planet ? or why did he teach that black people were of Satan?This was taught . I love to stay? however I must workout now , Later
@CAtholic29 Moroni was not a demon. That would contradict Jesus' teachings. And you call yourself a Christian even though you insult an entire faith? A real Christian doesn't do something like that. We are real Biblical Christians.
@majinish Are you going to address my points on Joe Smith ? I am being kind about this . I am stating the truth and want your thoughts can you give them to me ?
@CAtholic29 Children of God who follow Jesus Christ will become like the Father by being partakers in divine nature and will be joint-heirs with Christ. Since all belongs to Christ then all will belong to his followers as well.
@majinish Are you going to address my points with Joe Smith teachings (the founder of your faith) or Will I just assume that you have blocked that issue from your mind ? All I want is an answer . Just as a protestant is afraid to give me his or her protestant denomination , you are afraid to address this serious issue with your faith?
@majinish Nope I want to see your response to what Joe Smith taught . If you are unaware to what he himself taught about what happened on the planet Kolob(spelling is probably off) I suggest you study it .Thats all . Now for another area I would like for you to continue this . My aim was not to come here and attack your faith . Matter of fact my intentions were of this JPR heretic that I wanted to prevent from spoiling peoples minds with falsehoods on the faith .I came upon you .
@CAtholic29 You mean what's found in the Book of Abraham in chapter 3 where Kolob is described as a STAR? As far as a war in Heaven you might want to read the Bible as well. The details it gives is few but it goes along with the other scriptures. Lucifer was a fallen angel that became Satan. He and 1/3 of Heaven was cast out.
@majinish Your jumping one thing at a time . What did Joe say happened on the planet Kolob is what I am refering to ? DO you know . I do . It does not give the detail that aligns with Joes teaching of what happened on the planet .Its a simple request . I got a BBQ to go to . Hit me back i will respond later .
@CAtholic29 "Matter of fact my intentions were of this JPR heretic that I wanted to prevent from spoiling peoples minds with falsehoods on the faith." My word...I do believe that the only exercise you get is from jumping to conclusions. I'm a heretic, according to you, because I asked the question in regards to how can the pope be a good leader when he allowed a pro-abortionist, Obama, speak at Notre Damne, which the RCC still runs,all the while being against abortion?
@TheJpgr1958 The Pope leader for his teaching of faith and morals . Have you read any of his writings ? have you investigated the man or did research on him ? No until you do dont make a judgment on him in which you do not know all the facts . Your a heretic for your protest against the church .The Head of Notre Dame let him speak there . Not the Vatican or the Pope.Nice try
Your response was that Notre Dame is really not RC, anymore in the sense that it's more on the liberal so that Protestants like me can now go there, or something to that effect. That's it?? I then asked if this was your opinion or the official position of the RCC? You still didn't answer me on that one. You then started describing the forums you are on over the internet, and how you can defend the RC faith, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with the questions I asked.
@TheJpgr1958 you have nothing to contribute but this subject in which you do not know all of the facts . Simple as that . If I demanded you pick another subject you could not simply because you are not educated enough on your protestant faith and not educated on the catholic faith . you came here to argue one point that you yourself probably did not even google in terms of research .
@CAtholic29 "If I demanded:" As if you can demand anything of anybody. What a piece of work you are. What a joke you are. I came to ask you, or any Catholic, how you can stand behind a "leader", who on one hand states that the organization they head is against abortion,and then allow a PRO-ABORTIONIST speak at Notre Dame? And like it or not, Norte Dame is still a RC Institution. So if this is the kind of mumbo jumbo you want to adhere to, go for it. And because of that...
@TheJpgr1958 The Pope did not have the final say on Obama visit the head of the School did end of story , you could have googled that . Joke ? the fact that you have received the same answer from me every time you asked it without answering my questions is a joke . So I have answered your question .now answer mine son What protestant denomination are you? Are you a Christian or an Atheist? If Christian what protestant denomination ? I Challenge you to answer
you sir have no room to talk about anything, even to majinish concerning his stance on Mormonism. The so-called answers gave me don't make any sense because you basically gave me your opinion on the matter, not the official position of what the RCC stated about the subject. By the way, since you want scripture, how about this one in which God gave his take on defending one's faith: 1 Peter 3:15: "Always be ready to give an answer for the faith and hope that is within you yet with gentleness...
@TheJpgr1958 How old are you son? if it it dont make sense to you might have landed yourself hereby accident and should be playing video games . That is why I know scripture And the quote says that we should always be ready to give an explanation for our hope . This means that we need to be ready to explain the faith . WE do that using scripture and church father writings to support Catholic teaching . Does not pertain to your question . Nice try kid but you misinterpreted the scripture
@CAtholic29 "How old are you son?" Totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. "if it it dont make sense to you might have landed yourself hereby accident and should be playing video games." WOW great retort!! "That is why I know scripture.." (rolls eyes) You are just as arrogent and pompous as majinish. 2 peas in a pod. "And the quote says that we should always be ready to give an explanation for our hope." Uh, you only quoted part of the text. Let us look at the text again:
1 Peter 3:15 "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, YET WITH GENTLENESS AND RESPECT." The part in capital letters is the part I see you didn't comment on. You have been neither. "This means that we need to be ready to explain the faith." See my last comment about the capital letters. "Nice try kid but you misinterpreted the scripture" Sorry kid, but I quoted the whole text, not part of it.
@TheJpgr1958 He is telling us the way we should explain the faith when he says with gentleness and respect something you have not given catholics .Well son, what is your point? you misrepresented the scripture and so I corrected you and pointed it out .
"The Pope did not have the final say on Obama visit the head of the School did end of story." Since this was the original topic, which because of your rant was lost, your Vicar of Christ on earth, the one who is suppose to guard the flock from ravenous wolves, didn't do his job, "END OF STORY." So continue having your pseudo-debates on the internt, here on youtube and in that forum you boasted about "Mighty Tighty" where you are safe behing your keyboard. I pray for the one who does
@TheJpgr1958 What is your point ? The pope did not have the final say of whether or not Obama was to go to Notre Dame . The school is in America . A liberal Priest without the blessing of the Pope and negative feedback from those closest to the Pope still invited Obama and catered to his needs as well . Hide behind keyboard ? What exactly are you doing?
do a public debate with you, because from reading your responses, you come across as a loose canon, one who probably would get in a physical confrontation with any one who disagrees with your postion and the RCC. I had a good friend of mine try to engage in a discussion with an individual like you who was a RC. The RC got so mad at him that he threatened to put a virus on my friends computer if he didn't delete his comments from the discussion board. May the Lord deal with that RC accordingly.
I debated three preachers in a spas tub at a sports club I belong too and no fight happened there , and the other times I have been up against people no physical fights.Once I tell someone something about the faith in public and not on computer they listen and respect me.They dont repeat themselves and make me repeat myself as you do . And you wouldn't face to face either of course.Your pride exists.Atheists ,homosexuals,pro abortioner, muslims have threatened virus on me .Truth hurts
Anyway, I believe this conversation has run it's course. If you ever do engage in a REAL scholastic debate, please film it, record it, and upload it onto your youtube page so that we can all see first hand how well you can defend your position. But I doubt you ever will, just like I doubt you will follow the "GENTLENESS AND RESPECT" part of 1 Peter 3:15. And your so-called leader did fail as a leader in spite of all your excuses in trying to defend him. He isn't worth it.
@CAtholic29 I need to clarify one thing. When I stated that your "so-called" leader failed, I was not in any way, shape or form stating that it was Christ who failed. He saves perfectly those to whom the Father gives to Him. The one who failed is for you the Pope, the so-called Vicar of Christ, just like Joe Smith for the Mormons, Charles Taze Russell for the JWS, Sung Yung Moon for the Moonies, Mary Baker Eddy for the Christian Scientist, etc. These leaders are not worth it. Christ IS.
@TheJpgr1958 I pointed out Christ because He appointed the first Pope(Peter) And meant for him to have successors, if Judas had a successor Peter must have. The dfference between Joe Smith ,Tazw sung Eddy , your protestant founder and the Pope is that he can be traced back all the way back to Peter as the first Pope .Who again is your protestant founder (hint hint ,cant be Jesus ,he founded our church , Your church was founded after the 1500s .Someone say 1Peter 3:15 ? how I do that time?lol
@CAtholic29 "I pointed out Christ because He appointed the first Pope(Peter) And meant for him to have successors" Well this is VERY debatable. I know you are going to cite Matthew 16 as absolute proof of your assertion, but as you know, there were many varying interpretations of that passage amongst church Fathers. So Rome's assertion is on very shaky ground. But since I have stated that trying to have a scholastic discussion on the internet is futile, I will refrain from responding further.
@CAtholic29 "John 21"Feed my lambs ... feed my sheep"" As with Matthew 16, there are many differing views on these passages, even amongst the church fathers.For example, there were certain church fathers who spoke approvingly of the Apocypha, but others such as Origin, Jerome, Athanasius, denied their inspiration and canonicity. Even the great Augustine in his commentary on Matthew 16, found in his "Retractiones" stated that left his readers to decide how they would interpret that passage.
@TheJpgr1958 The Apocrypha was officially not accepted as scripture in 393 AD by the council Hippo . IF you are refering to the 7 books protestants do not recognize then you are incorrectly using the word apocrypha . The Protestants reject those books because they argue solo fide . The Jews rejected them because they were teachings that were closely related to Christs teachings .Christians at that time (90AD) were reading and studying from the 7(deuterocanonical books)
@CAtholic29 Here I go again. The point is that church fathers didn't agree as "one" in that regard to the Apocrypha, just like there were many differing views on the passages you've cited. I need to practice what I preach and stop responding.
So citing these passages as absolute proof of Peter being the first pope really does not prove anything. But here I go trying to have a discussion on youtube. I suppose that we should just agree to disagree on this and on wether the pope failed as a leader. I believe he did for the reasons I have given, you as a defender of him states he didn't. That is why internet forums, for me anyway, are useless and unproductive.
@TheJpgr1958 If you read the passages you would believe differently . Read your bible for a change rather then relying on a commentary . In many cases they are more productive then personal meetings because in many of those people talk over each other here you actually have to read the comments . I believe that some just see that one commented and shoot right back before reading it .
I need to clarify one thing...When I stated Augustine left his readers to decide how to interpret that passage, the passage I was referring to was Matthew 16.
Don't take this as a cop out. Internet forums such as mighty tighty that you comment on, does not make for good discussions. At least for me anyway. And as for 1 Peter 3:15, well it's an improvement, but I'm sure the mud slinging would soon commence from you towards me again, for I totally disagree with the RCC position. But keep it up. And I will forever disagree with you on this: the pope, your leader did fail big time no matter how much you try to defend him.
@TheJpgr1958 Mighty Righty would allow you to comment as well and but a forum post up . CAtholic answers would also allow this from you . Why not ? The Pope never failed . He has given so much to all of us over the years . Have you read his work ? He has so much education out there to give to us . Read them and tell me if you still think(key word think ) he failed us. The truth is he had no say in that visit the president of that university did . Pope is not a dictator .
and respect. I see you really follow that one to the tee. FAIL!!! But again, you can get away with the name calling on the internet, Starbucks, or that forum you babble on Mighty Tighty, or something to that effect. But in a REAL scholastic debate, you would be shut down immediately by the moderator, and would be laughed out of the building. So continue your pusedo-debate on the internet. You and majinish can have a real good time together. GO FANBOY29!!! HE"S OUR MAN!!
@TheJpgr1958 This is your cop-out? you refuse to debate scripture with me ? you obviously dont know scripture considering your misinterpretation of 1Peter 3:15 .keep on asking others that question about Notre Dame while you can easily find the answer on google . Like a chess player on the clock I would crush you in debate . Stay off of the bath salts .
You have now come full circle by calling me a heretic, which is the sign of failing to answer the question. Remember, if you want to be take seriously as a debater, internet forums such as "Might Righty" does not cut the mustard. Involving yourself in a moderated debate which can be recorded, posted to a web page and which can viewd by many is the way to go. But you will never, at least for now, ever get involved with something like that. Now as for you coming across majinish...
@TheJpgr1958 you are not educated enough to debate me on any Christian topic bottom line , if your afraid to do it here on any of the other topics you would not stand a chance in a verbal back and forth and you know that .
if you would recall, I was the one who told you that he was Mormon. So when you state to majinish "I came upon you." it was me who told you about him. If it wasn't for me, you wouldn't of had a clue. So enough of the name calling, grow up, and get in a REAL DEBATE!! Go Notre Dame!!!
Lmao that priest was wrong and he knew it.. was so nervous the whole time.
brownie134 1 week ago
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Joseph's wife Melcha died soon after the birth of their last child. And so, Joseph was a widower. There were 6 (SIX) children: 4 Boys & 2 Girls. Names: Son's= James, Jude(or,Judas), Simeon and Justus, and Daughters= Aaisha and Lydia. Note: The youngest, i.e. James, was 16yrs older than Jesus!! These ARE the(half or step) brothers & sisters of JESUS CHRIST !!! Also note, that James and Jude ARE the Gospel Writers!! Above all else, The BIBLE is a BOOK OF MORAL INSTRUCTION !!
Rufus (India).
rufodsouza 2 weeks ago
Joseph's wife Melcha died soon after the birth of their last child. And so, Joseph was a widower. There were 6 (SIX) children: 4 Boys & 2 Girls. Names: Son's= James, Jude(or,Judas), Simeon and Justus, and Daughters= Aaisha and Lydia. Note: The youngest, i.e. James, was 16yrs older than Jesus!! These ARE the(half or step) brothers & sisters of JESUS CHRIST !!! Also note, that James and Jude ARE the Gospel Writers!! Above all else, The BIBLE is a BOOK OF MORAL INSTRUCTION !!
Rufus (India).
rufodsouza 2 weeks ago
THIS IS A VERY GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR BOTH CATHOLICS & PROTESTANTS!!!!!
Not only do you learn about your Faith, you also to CONSIDER the views of the Other party !!!
rufus. ( from : India).
rufodsouza 2 weeks ago
this host is disrespectful..and these two people just got served by This Priest...thats why they are interrupting to avoid the answers of the priest..they are afraid that the people will turn away from their own show and support the priest..
jonfanlo1 2 weeks ago
Where is the rebuttal to all of Dr. Martin's quotes? I only see 3 parts to this Mary series. God Bless - Thanks!
Izicanplay 2 weeks ago
edadan,
ALL have fallen short, ALSO INCLUDEs JESUS!! NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE does it say THAT JESUS WAS BORN WITHOUT SIN !!!There is NO MENTION, anywhere in the BIBLE, ever, that Mary HAD "Children !!!"
So, You protestants NEED, an Authority {singular}to teach you HOW to read & UNDERSTAND HOLY SCRIPTURE !!!!----- not 53,000 !!! Also, let me tell you, that you are holding AND arguing about :"A CATHOLIC BOOK !!" i.e.The B I B L E !!!
rufodsouza 3 weeks ago
@rufodsouza actually it does say in the bible mary had kids !!!
MsVal199 2 weeks ago
@rufodsouza why should you pray to a dead person, because no where in the bible it says that mary arrouse from the dead! another point, no where in the bible it says that mary accomplished any miracles! catholic people pray for miracles to saints and mary. why do u pray to someone who is dead?!!!!!!!!!
MsVal199 2 weeks ago
@rufodsouza
Hi Rufus,
First, I want to thank you for keeping me accountable. Sometimes I forget that the "users" on the other end of my keyboard are real people with emotions, families, etc. I would not be so harsh with missgreeneyes if I spoke with her in person. I will apologize to her and will also do a better job next when I disagree with someone on youtube.
To answer your other questions will take more space than is allowed here. So, I will send you a message to address those.
edadan2009 2 weeks ago
Mary was conceived IN sin but she brought forth WITHOUT sin. In other words, her parents had original sin but she did not. It's got nothing to do with sex being a sin. Dr martin likes to quote the doctors of the Church out of context but he ignored Duns Scotus who is called Doctor Subitilis for his great understanding of scripture.
missgreeneyes56 1 month ago
@missgreeneyes56
No, actually this means that she brought forth Jesus - who was without sin.
edadan2009 3 weeks ago
@edadan2009 If the tabernacle in the desert and the Holy of Holies in the Temple had to be completely pure to hold the words of the covenant then, how holy must have been the vessel that contained the Word, God Almighty? Mary was pure and undefiled from her conception in the mind of God.
missgreeneyes56 3 weeks ago
@missgreeneyes56
No, she was pure and undefiled in the mind of missgreeneyes.
God said that ALL have sinned and fall short of His glory. (Rom 3:23) That's scripture - that's what God said. Why do Catholics try to deny this with human "wisdom". You make God out to be a liar with your traditions. Do you think God is pleased with you?
God's Word is truth. Men are liars.
Repent and believe the truth.
edadan2009 3 weeks ago
@missgreeneyes56 Take HEART !!! Keep the guys who accack you IN prayer !!!
rufodsouza 2 weeks ago
It is an abomination to even call this a debate.
matthew799701 1 month ago 2
I personally think both men did great during this debate. I only wish I could debate at this level someday.
vancampiakopo 1 month ago
Its the priest vs the two Protestants who keep interrupting him.
nicecream44 2 months ago 2
@nicecream44 Exactly, he barely get to finish a single sentance.
DCDUO 1 month ago
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Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
elisanbobby05 2 months ago
When Joseph returned from Egypt with Mary and Jesus, there was no other child in the Gospel report to say Jesus had siblings. At the Cross, there was no other son of Mary, that would take Mary home, Jesus gave His mother to John to take home. Such evidence shows Mary probably never had sex with her husband Joseph, that Joseph could have had other wives, he may have been an older man at that, or that first cousins were identified as brothers and sisters , but had different mothers.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Mother of God means not that Mary created God, but that God the Invisible , He of the Unapproachable Light in the Highest , came down into our dimension of physical reality , through the favor of a woman , who then correctly said is the Mother of God, To be the Mother of God, means not to create , but to carry , to serve, to protect and to give substance of her body, a material gift, to the Being of God, that then God was appearing as Incarnate God. Mother is a Suffering Servant.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
catholicism is a religion based on scripture and tradition.
protestantism is a religion based on the logical interpretation of scripture.
but God is not bound by logic.
temujin0911 4 months ago
Weather Mary was a sinner or wasn't a sinner, God did cleanse her, so she can be pure clean to be the mother of his son, and of couse if Mary was a sinner, she was born from a sinner, but God chose her to be the mother of his son, and she didn't say no to God, she said yes. don't u think God forgave her sins at that time and cleanse all her sins? yes i think so he did. God wouldn't let his son be born by a sinner, no no no, Mary was already holy before jesus was born.
tonganfoilole69 4 months ago
@tonganfoilole69
Mary was not Holy only God is.
Mary was a sinner until Jesus was crucified
Jesus was born by a sinner.
Mary didn't die as a virgin. Mary had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born; Mary had many sons and daughters. That's what the Bible says.
akma4444 3 months ago
If you're going to post a video about a herd of protestants ganging up on one Catholic priest, don't call it a "debate". Call it an attack.
adamdanielman 4 months ago 17
@adamdanielman Regardless of what you call it, he got owned.
brownie134 1 week ago
I find the eternal mine quoting tedious and entirely unproductive. Sheesh.
MrWildbill20056 4 months ago
Note at 2:00 - 2:30 John read's a catholic statement on Mary and then ask's the priest where they find that in belief in scripture....... The priest never goes to scripture for his answer, because its not in the Bible.
enieusma 4 months ago
Jesus was not born with flesh of His mother.Christ flesh was distinct man like any man but not like man in everyway. no contradiction Hebrews says, Of God to Christ a body You have prepared for Me.Christ a Lamb without blemish distinct for sacrifice. Protestants agree Christ body was born sinless but they think flesh the same as all men impossible.Christ filled the model of man but excelled. If all fesh is the same Adam before the fall could have redeemed But.Adam was dust Christ Spirit made
polopowers1 5 months ago
The Blessed Virgin Mary is perfect, she is The True Ark of Covenant, who ever wants proof via Scripture That Our Blessed Mother is perfect and is Immaculate message me.
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@MysticalCity really because only Jesus Christ was perfect, only Christ was the True Ark of Covenant, and if you can proof via Scripture that Mary is perfect I will belive you. But until then I don't need a medator to God because that is Jesus Christ. Message me if you find Scripture. :)
MegaByrdman2 6 months ago
@MegaByrdman2 i don't think you understand, if you knew you wouldn't have said that, but anyway, what did the Ark of Covenant in The OT hold? The 10 Commandments, What did the Blessed Virgin Mary carry? The Word of God, to say that Jesus(God In The flesh was born from a sinner is just beyond blasphemy) If Jesus is The New Adam, The Blessed Virgin Mary is the New Eve, im gonna message you proof.
MysticalCity 6 months ago 7
@MysticalCity blasphemy! I'll tell you whats blasphemy praying and actually beliving in the fact that Mary is as holy as Jesus Christ! Have you ever read John 14:6. Mary was a sinner, Jesus was born of a sinner to signifiy He was fully man and fully God. He came from sin yet never did sin. Ever heard of James, Jesus's brother, son of Mary wait a second I thought she was a Virgin all her life. Christ is the only way to God! And thats that!
MegaByrdman2 6 months ago
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@MegaByrdman2 wow, read my message rookie, St. Matt. 26:53 – Jesus says He can call upon the assistance of twelve legions of angels. If Jesus said He could ask for the assistance of angels. And we are to imitate Jesus in word and in deed, that means i can pray to any saint i want, and to Our Blessed Mother.
MysticalCity 6 months ago
@MysticalCity
Jesus is described as an second Adam, yes. But Mary is not the new Eve. Our new beings have absolutely nothing to do with Mary. God is THE redeemer and the savior. But Mary is not God. She is a creature. Jesus made her.
Jesus was born through the womb of Mary as a son of Joseph. But Jesus was not born "by" Joseph and Mary. Jesus was born "by" the Holy Spirit. Mary was a sinner when Jesus was born. A sinner and a servant Mary didn't inherit "sin" to Jesus, neither did Joseph.
akma4444 3 months ago
@akma4444 to say God entered this world through a sinner is beyond blasphemy, if The Blessed Virgin Mary is not perfect, then Jesus is not perfect, a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit.
St.John 19:26 - Jesus makes The Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of us all as He dies on the Cross by saying "behold your mother." Jesus did not say "John, behold your mother" because he gave Mary to all of us, his beloved disciples. All the words that Jesus spoke on Cross had a divine purpose.
MysticalCity 3 months ago
@MysticalCity
God became flesh through perfect Holy Spirit. Mary was not Perfect; only God is. Mary is NEVER a tree of Jesus.. Jesus is a Creator. Jesus made Mary. Mary is a fruit of Jesus.
to say God entered this world through the womb of a sinner is not blasphemy. Our God was condamned by being crucified on a tree. do you proclaim that and that's not blasphemy?
Mary is not my mother; she is not yours either. John 19:27 - Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! .... ok?
akma4444 3 months ago
@akma4444 OK? did he "John, behold thy Mother" NO! he said "behold thy Mother"
BTW you clearly don't understand scripture if you thought she had kids,
Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus' "brothers" amounts to about 120. That is a lot of "brothers." Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.
answer this question, can a bad tree bring forth good fruit?
MysticalCity 3 months ago
@MysticalCity
it says "then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother." are you the disciple?
it's not even funny you saying i don't understand the bible. Mary obviously had kids. She had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born. John 7:5 "For even his(Jesus) own brothers did not believe in him."
can a bad tree bring forth good fruit? No. but Mary is not a tree of Jesus. How dare you. Jesus is the tree of Mary. Period.
God used the womb of a creature Mary and the bloodline of Joseph. that was all
akma4444 3 months ago
@akma4444 since you know NOTHING when it comes to tradition, let me dumb it down for you,
why was The Blessed Virgin Mary ONLY looking for Jesus at the temple?
why did Jesus tell St.John to take care of His Mother, wouldn't He have told His "real" brother if he had one?
John 7:3-4; Mark 3:21 - we see that younger "brothers" were advising Jesus. But this would have been extremely disrespectful for devout Jews if these were Jesus' biological brothers.
MysticalCity 3 months ago
@MysticalCity
Since you know nothing when it comes to the Bible, let me dumb it down for you.
Jesus had brothers. But Jesus told John to take care of Mary becasue Jesus trusted John the most? The exact reason i wouldn't know but that does NOT prove Mary died as a virgin.
And the most importantly, The bible says Mary had sons and daughters. John 7:5, Galatians 1:19 (I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother.)
akma4444 3 months ago
@akma4444 trusted St.John the most? you don't seem too sure of yourself, or simply maybe he didn't have any,
BTW why was The Blessed Virgin Mary only looking for Jesus at the temple?
Rom. 9:3 - Paul uses "brethren" and "kinsmen" interchangeably. "Brothers" of Jesus does not prove Mary had other children.
Gen. 29:15 - Laban calls Jacob is "brother" even though Jacob is his nephew. Again, this proves that brother means kinsmen or cousin.
MysticalCity 3 months ago
@MysticalCity
I am not 100% sure why John had to take care of Mary but i am sure that Jesus did have brothers because the bible says so.
John 7:5 "For even His (Jesus) own brothers did not believe in him."
What does "own brothers" mean?
and Matthew 13:55-57 ......
akma4444 3 months ago
@akma4444 if protestants say that Jesus had other brothers then why was The Blessed Virgin ONLY looking for Jesus at the temple?
Luke 22:32 - Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his "brethren." In this case, we clearly see Jesus using "brethren" to refer to the other apostles, not his biological brothers.
Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus' "brothers" amounts to about 120. That is a lot of "brothers." Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.
MysticalCity 3 months ago
@MysticalCity You fail here too. Jesus was the oldest son. lololol The logical explanation is that they weren't born yet.
MalevenRalyks 3 months ago
@MalevenRalyks "lololol you fail"? do you play call of duty? to even think The Mother of God would have relations with St. Joseph has to be the dumbest and most ignorant thing ever,
this doesn't even make any sense,
imagine Jesus and his brothers playin, 2 of them start arguing, then Our Blessed Mother says, "why can't you be perfect like your older brother"??????? yea right
MysticalCity 3 months ago
@MysticalCity Oh yeah, cuz having sex with your husband totally crazy, definitely the dumbest and most ignorant thing ever. I mean, seriously, who would want to have sex?! Especially with your spouse!
I think you are right about your second point though. However, I think that Jesus would have been wise and understanding enough to have prevented such situations from occurring by heading the wisdom taught in Scripture.
MalevenRalyks 3 months ago
@MalevenRalyks edit* heading should have been "heeding"
MalevenRalyks 3 months ago
Why was mary only looking for Jesus at the temple.. i dont know what you are asking.
akma4444 3 months ago
@MysticalCity lololololol you fail...If Jesus is the "New Adam" and you say that Mary is the "New Eve"...lets take a look at Genesis...Oh my, Eve came from Adam, not Adam from Eve.
MalevenRalyks 3 months ago
I, also being an Evangelical Christian DO agree that she is the Mother of God. This term is logically true and while I can see why Protestants of the time objected to the title, I feel that this was "making the Deku Tree into the Water Temple."
MalevenRalyks 3 months ago
@MalevenRalyks Ezek. 44:2 - Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of The Blessed Virgin Mary's perpetual virginity. The Blessed Virgin Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.
MysticalCity 3 months ago
Where's the rest of this video? Didn't Fr. Pacwa get to rebuttal all of Dr. Walter's closing statments?
VetusTestamentum 6 months ago
Its Difficult to DEFEND as Compared to Attack. Dr. Walter sorry to say is COWARD.
I am sure if I attack his private church he would fly away.
eraser695 7 months ago
I believe this is the debate & defence of the Church which led Dr Scott Hahn into the Catholic faith from Calvinism.
gespb32 7 months ago
where is the next of this episode? This is not done yet.
sirknight14364 7 months ago
@thetorvasal You can not truly make such a claim without actually reading the hearts of men. Second, if Scripture was SO clear, then why are there 30K denomination trying to interpret Scripture?
sgal88 7 months ago
@sgal88 And where, may I ask, do you get the number 30,000 from?
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@sgal88 A simple google search would suffice. I just did one now and found that there are 33K.
sgal88 7 months ago
@sgal88 Who cares? You lump all protestants in with each other, all heretical and apostate. I lump YOU in with all the snake-handlers and tongues-speakers - all heretical and apostate. It's not "my team" vs. "your team". There is MUCH purposeful confusion and false teaching to be avoided... the "Church" will not save you.
cheagan 7 months ago
@cheagan Erm...Yes, it does. It has the fullness of the truth while your interpretation does not.
sgal88 7 months ago
@sgal88 Sorry - He is the fullness of Truth (His words), NOT the "Church", Roman Catholic or otherwise. You have been brainwashed by the largest and oldest cult in the world, and if you continue to place your faith in a man-made institution, or in your own adherence to its precepts, instead of in the living Word, you will go to Hell.
cheagan 7 months ago
@cheagan He, who is the fullness of Truth, reveals all truth through ONE Church, which just happens to be Catholic. It is the largest and like Chesterton said..that if it were truly evil, it would not have survived for this long." If you refuse to enter into the true faith, you put your soul in complete jeopardy.
sgal88 7 months ago
@sgal88 Even in "mainline Protestant Christianity", we recognize that when ANY church claims to be the sole repository of truth, they show themselves to be a cult - call them Jehovah's Witnesses, or the Church of God, or Jim Jones and his bunch. Just as it was in the Old Testament, there is the "official" church, or Temple, with its priesthood and pomp and paraphernalia, and then there is the REMNANT. Catholicism is the ancient cult of mother-and-son (Semiramis). Research it for yourself.
cheagan 7 months ago
@cheagan You have to look at the tradition and apostolic succession. By mentioning the Old Testament church, you have shown ignorance. You probably did not know that God broke his pact with them when the temple was destroyed.
sgal88 7 months ago
@sgal88 What does that have to do with anything? You probably don't know that Jesus was ALWAYS the One prophesied in the Old Testament. How's that for tradition? As for "apostolic succession", try explaining the abhorrent actions of MOST of the popes through the middle ages, who bought their positions and ruled in such profligate decadence that John XII's reign was called the "Pornocracy"! Are you actually using the legitimacy of the papacy to uphold your claim to truth? Read a history book.
cheagan 7 months ago
@cheagan According to your logic, Jesus must not have been God for having chosen Judas, who would later betray Jesus.
sgal88 7 months ago
@sgal88 Are you for real? Did you just admit that the pope has something in common with Judas Iscariot? It just so happens that you're right, but to see a Catholic back into that position on his own is a rare treat indeed! And Jesus knew about Judas all along (Jn. 13:26), just as He knew He had to be crucified all along, as He tried to explain to His disciples on many occasions. HE ORCHESTRATED THE WHOLE THING, and if you would read the Reformation theologians, it might make sense to you.
cheagan 7 months ago
So you admit that even Jesus pick sinful men to follow him. You ignorance is pretty incredible. It is sad you can not see the logic. Popes are sinners as well. You make them out to seem as if they had to be without sin, which the Church never taught. You are either being intellectually dishonest, or don't understand the context I just put it into. You are first to try to evade the very logic while other Protestants even admit to it and try to side step it with their poor understanding of Writ.
sgal88 7 months ago
@cheagan And don't change the subject. Why must I trust in "tradition", undefined and changing (as the RCC does change its theology), when I know that the "traditions" Paul refers to in 2 Thes. 2:15 would NEVER contradict the teachings in the New Testament, but are instead INCLUDED in it! Otherwise, what's to prevent Satan from infiltrating the church and enticing us to follow things that appeal to our sinful nature (like the chivalry inherent on a mother-son cult); after all, it's tradition!
cheagan 7 months ago
@cheagan You can't simply write off (nearly) the entire history of the Roman Catholic Church by claiming that "they're only human"! For crying out loud, why on earth would you follow those men? Why do you spend your time defending Judas? Give me John, Paul, James, Peter, any of the other disciples who DIDN'T BETRAY JESUS, but you can keep your popes. Recognize a worldly, fleshly kingdom when you see one.
cheagan 7 months ago
Man, in the 4th Century defined what is holy scripture, choosing 4 gospels out of 30 written. What about the gospel of mary
TheTyrantRaptor 7 months ago
Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven."
TheTyrantRaptor 7 months ago
What a couple of pricks get a life.......They are sittin here spouting a lot of crap and meanwhile little babies down the road are being aborted......hundreds of thousands of them......
crapgame11 7 months ago
Are you all hating on our FAITH or the leaders in the church? Everyone in the church including Pope all have sin, we are not perfect. I am quite confused with you protestants, because sometimes you dont like us because of our teachings (which you have no proof are wrong), and then sometimes you dont like us because a PERSON who has FREE WILL just happens to be Catholic, and did something wrong. Make up your minds what your actual problem is. I think you dont know, you're just un-educated.
lace2u1 8 months ago
@lace2u1 Is your response to me?
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
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TheBookOfGenesis322 8 months ago
It's a shame how protestants simply quote from the bible instead of living out the true message of Jesus (which requires no preaching or converting, but simply good works and respect for others). they live by the word of the law and not the spirit of the law. very surprised that pacwa mentioned nothing about this. (by the way, who is actually feeding thousands in 3rd world countries without having to preach against local religions first? protestants? i think not!!
solisdemexico 8 months ago
This video is a good example of how Satan works thru heretical liars like Walter Martin.
jofo817 8 months ago
@jofo817 the vatican houses the doctrine of devils itself..FACT! you go to a priest for the forgiveness of sin and i tell you by the word of GOD..you are NOT forgiven...for only through Christ is a person forgiven of their sins. The papacy and his priesthood has done exactly as Paul said the son of perdition would do..USURP CHRIST position of the mediator between GOD and man..thus believing a lie (priest forgiving sins) and not loving the truth in which you can be SAVED..cont..
07braves 8 months ago
@07braves wow, seriously? it's not black and white like that. there's more meaning behind it. by no means is this sacrament trying to replace or parallel Christ.
solisdemexico 8 months ago
@solisdemexico my friend...this is the most important thing in a believers life...it deals with your salvation. If a man, priest, pastor, woman..anyone..is between you and Jesus and they say you are forgiven by what they say..you are not truly forgiven. Here is salvation: one comes to Christ in prayer , you ask JESUS/ GOD to forgive you of your sin, you ask the LORD to wash you clean from your sin. you ask the LORD to be your savior , you believe that he rose from the grave..TRUST ONLY IN CHRIST
07braves 8 months ago
@solisdemexico ..no sacraments, no baptism, no works will save you..ONLY Christ..trust in ONLY him..not man, nor yourself..you cant save yourself, and no man can forgive you of your sins unto GOD. Now saying all that, can a person help you in your prayer to the savior..YES..BUT the only way a man can say "you are forgiven"..is by your response to CHRIST!...you reject Christ atonement, or trust in anything except Christ..you are NOT saved..When you trust Christ only..then you are forgiven!
07braves 8 months ago
@07braves And a response to Christ is exactly what any good work is a part of.
solisdemexico 8 months ago
@jofo817 # 2..lets touch on a title of the popes..."PONTIFEX MAXIMUS" and also know as the ROMAN PONTIFF..we all know this title was originally used by the pagan priesthood of rome..going all the way back to Babylon. But this is not the point i want to make. The title PONTIFEX MAXIMUS means "the great bridge builder"..being a pagan title..the pagan worshipers seen this as the priest being a mediator between a god and man (BRIDGE BUILDER BETWEEN GOD AND MAN)..UNDERSTAND..this is ANTI-CHRIST!
07braves 8 months ago
@jofo817 Being a Latter-Day Saint I have to, not necessarily agree with, but, side with anyone who shows Walter why he's wrong. He puts down many denominations of Christianity, LDS included, yet he claims himself to be a Christian. Not to mention he messes up the birth of Christ somehow.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish "He puts down many denominations of Christianity." As does the Mormon church. All church's other than the Mormon church are wrong, an abomination and corrupt in the the sight of God according to the false prophet Smith. So stop playing the martyr card, the anti-mormon card, or any other card, for you as a Mormon do the exact same thing that you accuse Walter Martin of doing. Grow up already and stop lying.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 Nope. We don't put down churches. Jesus Christ was the one that told Joseph Smith that all other churches are wrong. Joseph Smith was martyred and yes, you seem to be an anti-mormon. Not once have I lied.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish "Nope. We don't put down churches." That is a down out lie. "Jesus Christ was the one that told Joseph Smith that all other churches are wrong." As Jesus Christ allegedly told Charles Taze Russell for the JW, Mary Baker Eddy for the Christian Scientist, Sun Yung Moon for the Moonies, plus a host of other groups who all claim their leader was called by God to restore the church, or heard from God etc. "you seem to be an anti-mormon." Ah yes, playing the anti card. Typical. Very sad.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 @"That is a down out lie" Since we don't put other churches down then it's not a lie.
@"Ah yes, playing the anti card." If you're against something that makes you an anti- by definition.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish Again, you should never engage in a ny kind of scholastic debate on this or any subject concerning Mormonism. You would be laughed out of the building and you would fold like a cheap suit.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 You couldn't be more wrong. No, I wouldn't be laughed out of the building. And I shouldn't be in a debate about the church on -any- subject? Is that including the scriptures? If so then that's one subject I recommend no critic getting involved in with me.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish "I recommend no critic getting involved in with me." That's one heck of a assertion on your part. Tell you what. To prove that to us, why don't you post, either audio or video, of you engaged in a scholastic type of debate where you defend this assertion of yours? If you can't, then this is nothing but pure smoke and mirrors on your part. It would also prove that you are one arrogant, narcissistic fool. So we are waiting with baited breath for the evidence.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 Yea, in regards to the scriptures that's something I recommend you not get involved in with me as far as a discussion goes as well as any other critic.
@"If you can't, then this is nothing but pure smoke and mirrors on your part." Naw, it's actually because I don't record things. I've talked to critics on facebook and yahoo answers and they were easily disproven. And it's not arrogance when I've actually done it before so it's called facts.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish "Yea, in regards to the scriptures that's something I recommend you not get involved in with me as far as a discussion goes as well as any other critic." Another narcissistic comment. "I've talked to critics on facebook and yahoo answers and they were easily disproven." Your kidding right? Facebook and Yahoo answers?? That to you defines a scholastic debate? No. I'm talking about a real debate with a moderater, time limits, cross examination. Not an internet debate.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 I've also seen other videos with Walter, haha, and have seen how "much", in fact little, he knows about Christianity and the scriptures.
majinish 8 months ago
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@majinish "I've also seen other videos with Walter, haha, and have seen how "much", in fact little, he knows about Christianity and the scriptures." When you have a serious debate with all the rules that I outlined in my previous comment, please record and post it so we can see if what you state about your skills are true. But I doubt you would ever engage in anything like that. So just stick to your internet discussions. You are a lot safer. Also humility would suit you better.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@majinish That would be like having a discussion at a Starbucks. What a joke you are. When you have a serious debate with all the rules that I outlined in my previous comment, please record and post it so we can see if what you state about your skills are true. But I doubt you would ever engage in anything like that. So just stick to your internet discussions. Your a lot safer behind your keyboard.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 I'd have no problem talking to people about why the church is true. I mean with the scriptures, including the Bible, it's real easy to do.
majinish 8 months ago
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@majinish "I'd have no problem talking to people about why the church is true. I mean with the scriptures, including the Bible, it's real easy to do." Another narcissistic comment. What a joke you are. When you have a serious debate with all the rules that I outlined in my previous comment, please record and post it so we can see if what you state about your skills are true. But I doubt you would ever engage in anything like that. So just stick to your internet discussions.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@majinish THis kid does not know scripture I slay him on another Mitch Pacqua debate with this same guy on the subject of the Pope . This jpr guy knows no scripture he throws little digs at our Pope is all .Meanwhile if the Pope were face to face with him he would crap a brick . The Pope has more knowledge in his pinky then jpr here would have in his entire body .
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 Ummm, just to let you know, majinish is a Mormon, who believes that the RCC is the whore of Babylon. Why in the world would you want to talk to him about any of this? Perhaps you should realize who you are commenting to before you push the "post" button.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 majinish is a mormon ? who cares . I was their to deal with you . He is in error because his founder lied or was deceived by a demon end of story . Same result for Muhammad . REv 17 is refering to NERO and the ROman Empire . I was going to you not him . But thank you for leading me to him may be I can help him in some way .
CAtholic29 8 months ago
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@CAtholic29 But thank you for leading me to him may be I can help him in some way." Umm I doubt that, for what good are you to a Mormon, when you have turned a blind eye to what your vicar of christ on earth did to the graduating students at Notre Dame. But that's ok for you I guess. Inconsistency for you means nothing.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 The scriptures say Satan can appear as an angel of light but does not say he can appear as the Father or the Son and definitely not at the same time. Even with that, saying Moroni was really Satan would contradict Jesus' teachings. He said anyone that testifies Jesus came in flesh is of God. Moroni did that so he was of God. I'm a member of Jesus Christ's church so I don't need your help.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish If you were familiar with the far out doctrines of Joseph Smith you most likely would not be in that church today .(Galatians 1: 8)- "If we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other then the one we preached to you let that one be accursed " The Mormon teaching of Joe Smith was that Jesus and Satan were brothers o Kolob and that God was their father . That they did battle on that planet and Satan lost and his followers were the black people and Jesus was with the white.
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 That's where you critics go wrong. I do know what Joseph Smith taught. You assume we don't look up the history of the church. Guess what, we do. Joseph Smith taught THE true gospel of Jesus Christ. And obviously you don't know our history going by your last statement.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish How's that moderated debate going there?
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@majinish I do know your history and you need to go back to where Joseph Smith taught this . And read Galatians 1:8 both the Mormon founder Joe smith and the Muslim founder Muhammad obviously were unaware of those verses . Either both of them made it up (which is most likely considering Smith went to methodist bible studies at that time of his church foundation )or demons came to them ( after reading Galatians 1:8 you would understand ) I did not come looking for you JPR lead me here .
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 I've read Galatians 1:8. Joseph Smith taught the gospel of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon contains the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ (Revelation 14:6). God the Father and Jesus Christ came to Joseph Smith as did Moroni who was a messenger sent by God.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish DO you get the point of Gal 1:8? Joe Smith claimed to have been visited by angel , his teachings were different then the gospel . Every man is not a potential GOd . Satans people were not the black people ,and the people on the fence in the great battle on Kolob are not the south Americans and Asians
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 I know the verse very well. So you think ALL angels are demons? You don't think God has angels? Joseph Smith taught nothing but the truth and nothing contrary to the Bible.
majinish 8 months ago
majinishI believe that the so called angels who visited Joe and Muhammad either were demons or they made the stories up because they were opportunists.God has angels alright no argument there . .If he taught nothing but the truth and not contradicting the bible then why do you suppose he taught that every male in the moron faith is going to be a god on their own planet ? or why did he teach that black people were of Satan?This was taught . I love to stay? however I must workout now , Later
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 Moroni was not a demon. That would contradict Jesus' teachings. And you call yourself a Christian even though you insult an entire faith? A real Christian doesn't do something like that. We are real Biblical Christians.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish Are you going to address my points on Joe Smith ? I am being kind about this . I am stating the truth and want your thoughts can you give them to me ?
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 Children of God who follow Jesus Christ will become like the Father by being partakers in divine nature and will be joint-heirs with Christ. Since all belongs to Christ then all will belong to his followers as well.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish Are you going to address my points with Joe Smith teachings (the founder of your faith) or Will I just assume that you have blocked that issue from your mind ? All I want is an answer . Just as a protestant is afraid to give me his or her protestant denomination , you are afraid to address this serious issue with your faith?
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 amen!
lace2u1 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 I already did address what you said.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish Nope I want to see your response to what Joe Smith taught . If you are unaware to what he himself taught about what happened on the planet Kolob(spelling is probably off) I suggest you study it .Thats all . Now for another area I would like for you to continue this . My aim was not to come here and attack your faith . Matter of fact my intentions were of this JPR heretic that I wanted to prevent from spoiling peoples minds with falsehoods on the faith .I came upon you .
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 You mean what's found in the Book of Abraham in chapter 3 where Kolob is described as a STAR? As far as a war in Heaven you might want to read the Bible as well. The details it gives is few but it goes along with the other scriptures. Lucifer was a fallen angel that became Satan. He and 1/3 of Heaven was cast out.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish Your jumping one thing at a time . What did Joe say happened on the planet Kolob is what I am refering to ? DO you know . I do . It does not give the detail that aligns with Joes teaching of what happened on the planet .Its a simple request . I got a BBQ to go to . Hit me back i will respond later .
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 "Matter of fact my intentions were of this JPR heretic that I wanted to prevent from spoiling peoples minds with falsehoods on the faith." My word...I do believe that the only exercise you get is from jumping to conclusions. I'm a heretic, according to you, because I asked the question in regards to how can the pope be a good leader when he allowed a pro-abortionist, Obama, speak at Notre Damne, which the RCC still runs,all the while being against abortion?
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 The Pope leader for his teaching of faith and morals . Have you read any of his writings ? have you investigated the man or did research on him ? No until you do dont make a judgment on him in which you do not know all the facts . Your a heretic for your protest against the church .The Head of Notre Dame let him speak there . Not the Vatican or the Pope.Nice try
CAtholic29 8 months ago
Your response was that Notre Dame is really not RC, anymore in the sense that it's more on the liberal so that Protestants like me can now go there, or something to that effect. That's it?? I then asked if this was your opinion or the official position of the RCC? You still didn't answer me on that one. You then started describing the forums you are on over the internet, and how you can defend the RC faith, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with the questions I asked.
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 you have nothing to contribute but this subject in which you do not know all of the facts . Simple as that . If I demanded you pick another subject you could not simply because you are not educated enough on your protestant faith and not educated on the catholic faith . you came here to argue one point that you yourself probably did not even google in terms of research .
CAtholic29 8 months ago
@CAtholic29 "If I demanded:" As if you can demand anything of anybody. What a piece of work you are. What a joke you are. I came to ask you, or any Catholic, how you can stand behind a "leader", who on one hand states that the organization they head is against abortion,and then allow a PRO-ABORTIONIST speak at Notre Dame? And like it or not, Norte Dame is still a RC Institution. So if this is the kind of mumbo jumbo you want to adhere to, go for it. And because of that...
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 The Pope did not have the final say on Obama visit the head of the School did end of story , you could have googled that . Joke ? the fact that you have received the same answer from me every time you asked it without answering my questions is a joke . So I have answered your question .now answer mine son What protestant denomination are you? Are you a Christian or an Atheist? If Christian what protestant denomination ? I Challenge you to answer
CAtholic29 7 months ago
you sir have no room to talk about anything, even to majinish concerning his stance on Mormonism. The so-called answers gave me don't make any sense because you basically gave me your opinion on the matter, not the official position of what the RCC stated about the subject. By the way, since you want scripture, how about this one in which God gave his take on defending one's faith: 1 Peter 3:15: "Always be ready to give an answer for the faith and hope that is within you yet with gentleness...
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 How old are you son? if it it dont make sense to you might have landed yourself hereby accident and should be playing video games . That is why I know scripture And the quote says that we should always be ready to give an explanation for our hope . This means that we need to be ready to explain the faith . WE do that using scripture and church father writings to support Catholic teaching . Does not pertain to your question . Nice try kid but you misinterpreted the scripture
CAtholic29 7 months ago
@CAtholic29 "How old are you son?" Totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. "if it it dont make sense to you might have landed yourself hereby accident and should be playing video games." WOW great retort!! "That is why I know scripture.." (rolls eyes) You are just as arrogent and pompous as majinish. 2 peas in a pod. "And the quote says that we should always be ready to give an explanation for our hope." Uh, you only quoted part of the text. Let us look at the text again:
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 Oh lets see the protestant /agnostic is going to show me scripture lol.
CAtholic29 7 months ago
1 Peter 3:15 "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, YET WITH GENTLENESS AND RESPECT." The part in capital letters is the part I see you didn't comment on. You have been neither. "This means that we need to be ready to explain the faith." See my last comment about the capital letters. "Nice try kid but you misinterpreted the scripture" Sorry kid, but I quoted the whole text, not part of it.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 He is telling us the way we should explain the faith when he says with gentleness and respect something you have not given catholics .Well son, what is your point? you misrepresented the scripture and so I corrected you and pointed it out .
CAtholic29 7 months ago
"The Pope did not have the final say on Obama visit the head of the School did end of story." Since this was the original topic, which because of your rant was lost, your Vicar of Christ on earth, the one who is suppose to guard the flock from ravenous wolves, didn't do his job, "END OF STORY." So continue having your pseudo-debates on the internt, here on youtube and in that forum you boasted about "Mighty Tighty" where you are safe behing your keyboard. I pray for the one who does
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 What is your point ? The pope did not have the final say of whether or not Obama was to go to Notre Dame . The school is in America . A liberal Priest without the blessing of the Pope and negative feedback from those closest to the Pope still invited Obama and catered to his needs as well . Hide behind keyboard ? What exactly are you doing?
CAtholic29 7 months ago
do a public debate with you, because from reading your responses, you come across as a loose canon, one who probably would get in a physical confrontation with any one who disagrees with your postion and the RCC. I had a good friend of mine try to engage in a discussion with an individual like you who was a RC. The RC got so mad at him that he threatened to put a virus on my friends computer if he didn't delete his comments from the discussion board. May the Lord deal with that RC accordingly.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
I debated three preachers in a spas tub at a sports club I belong too and no fight happened there , and the other times I have been up against people no physical fights.Once I tell someone something about the faith in public and not on computer they listen and respect me.They dont repeat themselves and make me repeat myself as you do . And you wouldn't face to face either of course.Your pride exists.Atheists ,homosexuals,pro abortioner, muslims have threatened virus on me .Truth hurts
CAtholic29 7 months ago
Anyway, I believe this conversation has run it's course. If you ever do engage in a REAL scholastic debate, please film it, record it, and upload it onto your youtube page so that we can all see first hand how well you can defend your position. But I doubt you ever will, just like I doubt you will follow the "GENTLENESS AND RESPECT" part of 1 Peter 3:15. And your so-called leader did fail as a leader in spite of all your excuses in trying to defend him. He isn't worth it.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 Christ never failed and neither did Pope Benedict .Your protestant denomination failed .
You were gone for a while . Pride got to you though right?
CAtholic29 7 months ago
@CAtholic29 I need to clarify one thing. When I stated that your "so-called" leader failed, I was not in any way, shape or form stating that it was Christ who failed. He saves perfectly those to whom the Father gives to Him. The one who failed is for you the Pope, the so-called Vicar of Christ, just like Joe Smith for the Mormons, Charles Taze Russell for the JWS, Sung Yung Moon for the Moonies, Mary Baker Eddy for the Christian Scientist, etc. These leaders are not worth it. Christ IS.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 I pointed out Christ because He appointed the first Pope(Peter) And meant for him to have successors, if Judas had a successor Peter must have. The dfference between Joe Smith ,Tazw sung Eddy , your protestant founder and the Pope is that he can be traced back all the way back to Peter as the first Pope .Who again is your protestant founder (hint hint ,cant be Jesus ,he founded our church , Your church was founded after the 1500s .Someone say 1Peter 3:15 ? how I do that time?lol
CAtholic29 7 months ago
@CAtholic29 "I pointed out Christ because He appointed the first Pope(Peter) And meant for him to have successors" Well this is VERY debatable. I know you are going to cite Matthew 16 as absolute proof of your assertion, but as you know, there were many varying interpretations of that passage amongst church Fathers. So Rome's assertion is on very shaky ground. But since I have stated that trying to have a scholastic discussion on the internet is futile, I will refrain from responding further.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 I also cite John 21"Feed my lambs ... feed my sheep" and 1Peter 5:13 "The chosen one at Babylon sends you greeting ".
CAtholic29 7 months ago
@CAtholic29 "John 21"Feed my lambs ... feed my sheep"" As with Matthew 16, there are many differing views on these passages, even amongst the church fathers.For example, there were certain church fathers who spoke approvingly of the Apocypha, but others such as Origin, Jerome, Athanasius, denied their inspiration and canonicity. Even the great Augustine in his commentary on Matthew 16, found in his "Retractiones" stated that left his readers to decide how they would interpret that passage.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 The Apocrypha was officially not accepted as scripture in 393 AD by the council Hippo . IF you are refering to the 7 books protestants do not recognize then you are incorrectly using the word apocrypha . The Protestants reject those books because they argue solo fide . The Jews rejected them because they were teachings that were closely related to Christs teachings .Christians at that time (90AD) were reading and studying from the 7(deuterocanonical books)
CAtholic29 7 months ago
@CAtholic29 Here I go again. The point is that church fathers didn't agree as "one" in that regard to the Apocrypha, just like there were many differing views on the passages you've cited. I need to practice what I preach and stop responding.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 You learn by responding . I am not shouting or cursing at you and neither are you to me thats when we fail to follow 1Peter 3:15-
CAtholic29 7 months ago
So citing these passages as absolute proof of Peter being the first pope really does not prove anything. But here I go trying to have a discussion on youtube. I suppose that we should just agree to disagree on this and on wether the pope failed as a leader. I believe he did for the reasons I have given, you as a defender of him states he didn't. That is why internet forums, for me anyway, are useless and unproductive.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 If you read the passages you would believe differently . Read your bible for a change rather then relying on a commentary . In many cases they are more productive then personal meetings because in many of those people talk over each other here you actually have to read the comments . I believe that some just see that one commented and shoot right back before reading it .
CAtholic29 7 months ago
I need to clarify one thing...When I stated Augustine left his readers to decide how to interpret that passage, the passage I was referring to was Matthew 16.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 If you misunderstood what Christ meant by Matt 16 ,would John 21 not unravel that confusion?
CAtholic29 7 months ago
Don't take this as a cop out. Internet forums such as mighty tighty that you comment on, does not make for good discussions. At least for me anyway. And as for 1 Peter 3:15, well it's an improvement, but I'm sure the mud slinging would soon commence from you towards me again, for I totally disagree with the RCC position. But keep it up. And I will forever disagree with you on this: the pope, your leader did fail big time no matter how much you try to defend him.
TheJpgr1958 7 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 Mighty Righty would allow you to comment as well and but a forum post up . CAtholic answers would also allow this from you . Why not ? The Pope never failed . He has given so much to all of us over the years . Have you read his work ? He has so much education out there to give to us . Read them and tell me if you still think(key word think ) he failed us. The truth is he had no say in that visit the president of that university did . Pope is not a dictator .
CAtholic29 7 months ago
and respect. I see you really follow that one to the tee. FAIL!!! But again, you can get away with the name calling on the internet, Starbucks, or that forum you babble on Mighty Tighty, or something to that effect. But in a REAL scholastic debate, you would be shut down immediately by the moderator, and would be laughed out of the building. So continue your pusedo-debate on the internet. You and majinish can have a real good time together. GO FANBOY29!!! HE"S OUR MAN!!
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 This is your cop-out? you refuse to debate scripture with me ? you obviously dont know scripture considering your misinterpretation of 1Peter 3:15 .keep on asking others that question about Notre Dame while you can easily find the answer on google . Like a chess player on the clock I would crush you in debate . Stay off of the bath salts .
CAtholic29 7 months ago
You have now come full circle by calling me a heretic, which is the sign of failing to answer the question. Remember, if you want to be take seriously as a debater, internet forums such as "Might Righty" does not cut the mustard. Involving yourself in a moderated debate which can be recorded, posted to a web page and which can viewd by many is the way to go. But you will never, at least for now, ever get involved with something like that. Now as for you coming across majinish...
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 you are not educated enough to debate me on any Christian topic bottom line , if your afraid to do it here on any of the other topics you would not stand a chance in a verbal back and forth and you know that .
CAtholic29 8 months ago
if you would recall, I was the one who told you that he was Mormon. So when you state to majinish "I came upon you." it was me who told you about him. If it wasn't for me, you wouldn't of had a clue. So enough of the name calling, grow up, and get in a REAL DEBATE!! Go Notre Dame!!!
TheJpgr1958 8 months ago