broly was a beast however toei made him an horrible story i mean goku made him cry so he is evil? lol they could of made his story much better to show their LSSJ but they failed
Bardock is the Real Legendary Super Saiyan, after Frieza Tries 2 kill him & destroy planet Vegeta, Bardock somehow traveles to the past & kicks Frieza's ancestor Lord Chilled ass by turnin Super Saiyan. Lord Chilled told everyone 2 warn his family about da power of a saiyan & then he dies. i watched a part in dragonball z where there was a saiyan dat had so much power he killed himself & destroyed da planet he was in, which i think it was bardock when he turned into an ape in planet vageta.
@MrCLEAN214 Wrong.. some of the attributes of a Lssj is being Unmerciful and ruthless. Bardock , vegeta and goku can control they're power unlike broly where his power is unstable and also didn't this trailer say there own blind rage eventually destroys them that's confirmed to be broly not bardock that whole bardock turning ssj scenario is basically a what if that is why it is placed in his manga not the anime This is referring to broly's breed of saiyan not bardock That's an implication.
Toriyama himself created the design for Lssj He was given the title as the legendary super saiyan why make a movie featuring a regular super saiyan villain? You can tell by his Unique traits and attributes it is stated that the Lssj comes from anger and rage practically a killing machine goku is a warrior with heart The tale vegeta spoke about the Lssj in the freiza saga must have been referred to what broly is.
The thing that makes Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan is the fact that he doesn't lost power during fights, it only grows stronger. Goku may be able to tap into the limits of his Saiyan potential but even he has never unlocked a transformation that gives him limitless power. That's what makes Broly a Legendary Super Saiyan. Not his destructive tendency but the fact that he never runs out of energy and actually gains more the longer he fights.
@supersaiyanjax93 The reason why he is legendary is because he survived the
plant vegeta explotion from frieza. Broly is overated because all he does is say kakaroot and scream. Goku however will always be the strongest in the universe because he trains hard and works through hard work everyday and never gives up in a fight. Its not ever about the title but whats right.
@Michael89240 Yeah in the sense of morality. I'm talking about the differences between their transformations. The fact that Broly never loses energy and actually gains more the longer he fights is what sets the Legendary Super Saiyan state apart from any other transformation. If you had Goku take on everyone in the universe, by the end he would have little to no energy left. While Broly on the other hand would be several times stronger. Goku's has limits, Broly doesn't. That is the difference.
@supersaiyanjax93 But goku knows hardwork and trainning. Broly doesn't. All broly does is power up. He doesn't know guts and the will to actually train. Even if goku does fight everyone in the universe and loose energy, he will still try harder and never give up. Broly doesn't do any of this. He only can take revenge on people and scream. Goku will always be the pure hearted legendary super saiyan that everyone should look up to
@Michael89240 Lol thats what he mean. Morally speaking Goku is better. And really if you were like Broly and didn't need to train to get stronger, would you? And secondly Goku can't be seen as a Legendary Super Saiyan cause they were seen as bringers of destruction. Seeing as Goku doesn't have the two qualities that make a Legendary Super Saiyan and the fact that he can't enter the state means that he isn't one. He's a great hero just not a Legendary Super Saiyan
@supersaiyanjax93 First of all goku does have destructional feelings. A.K.A great ape.
Goku is the legendary super saiyan. The legendary super saiyan can only be in the transformed state as vegeta said so meaning golden great ape. Goku gets all the atributes of the legendary super saiyan in the golden great ape. He gets wild and kills every one he sees. Goku is the legendary super saiyan.
@Michael89240 In non cannon goku is probably the legendary super saiyan because broly does not exist in non cannon broly is only the legendary super saiyan in the cannon universe.
dude broly is awesome and a great character movie 10 broly was the strongest lol but some people say broly is not stronger than cell i wish toei would say who is stronger cell or broly
@1320goku It's a huge debate and a lot of speculation know one really knows it's hard to compare non cannon with cannon but from my perspective i think movie 10 broly is slightly stronger then cell.
i dont know its really hard to compare them lol do you know 054martinm? everyone knows him he is a stupid person who trolls any funi video and says collen does better work than stephanie he is also a brolyhater and states broly is a fail character just like slug and bojack
yeah he is a troll iwas debating him and thats what he said "future gohan has power wise but he is overrated broly was a fail character just like slug and bojack" he also said "broly is weak he doesnt know how to train correctly and of course he is not strong they had three ssjs to do the job and finish him off" he is also a kai lover
@1320goku No that only happened because trunks distracted broly same familiar death like cell but anyways bojack is a fail character but slug and broly aren't he likes db kai right? he's not used to watching blood and profanity and more violence that's why he watches it he's more of a nick jr. watching kind of guy.
lol true but yet broly was beaten by three super saiyans that what he says but i think it doesnt really matter because broly has the abillity to increase his attack with every blast so it doesnt matter if he was able to hold them off and it doesnt mean he is so strong his attack was unique but broly was badass more in movie 10 movie 8's look was ugly
@1320goku Lets recap it even when a 7 year stronger goku was contributing broly was still giving them a struggle correct and the entire time broly was laughing until he seen a blast from the side of the sky from trunks once he took his other hand of his ultimate move he could not enhance its power because he was busy with trunks is little ki blast notice now as soon as it happened they all screamed together just like what happened with cell both cell and broly never revealed there true potential
@1320goku Some one who i debated with in the past said they are based off eachother same death, same green explosive wave , same annoying noise when they walk , same kick to the neck by vegeta same power comment from piccolo.
i had some doubts but i think it might be they have too much things in common note:in the end of movie 11 goku was told to go to hell with pikkon just like when they were asked to go to hell and beat cell in movie 11 broly was in a capsule just like cell was when he was born and broly's liquid's color was just like the shell that cell had when he was out of his capsule when he was born they also had the same death in both movies and vegeta used his blasts just like he did vs cell
ohh and both movie 10 broly and SPC were called in a similiar name broly was called insane evil and cell ws called demented demon which is the same meaning this is what pakl123456 told me its interesting no?
this is because toei started to work on movie 8 when cell went perfect so obviously broly was based off those scens and later on by the way base hathyack was stated to be slightly stronger than movie 8 broly and when hatchyack was about to be born the doctor said "go and acheive your PERFECT form" which has to do with cell hatchyack's body also resembles cell's and the doctor is based off dr gero i think base hatchyack=full poer perfect cell>movie 8 broly broly is close to their level
@1320goku Yeah i know just like how cooler's hetchmen are based off recoome burter and jeice. Burter resembles that tall brown guy recoome resembles that muscular dumb green guy with the helmet and jeice resembles salza the purple skinned guy both jeice and salza have foreign accents.
in movie 4 medamacha and angila are based off burter and jeice and thats because it happened in their time line broly is on cell's time line so he is based off him
@1320goku Also this is from my perspective it's not a fact but i think vegeta's rumor during the freiza saga where he says the legendary super saiyan is born from rage which i think is based off broly i know he was referring to goku but i think he was referring to broly's breed it might be an implication.
@1320goku I know i meant broly's breed of saiyan not broly directly to broly XD and broly is only the legendary super saiyan in the cannon universe not the non cannon universe.
you know in the anime SPC was called ultimate perfect cell and now when you mention broly and cell so i remember that the producer of broly's movies said movie 8 broly was the perfect saiyan and movie 10 broly would be the ultimate perfect saiyan which is also weird also broly and goku had in movie 8 the same blinking aura cell did
@Arlando60 If you are talking about cannon and non cannon than broly doesn't even technically exists than. So goku is the strongest in the universe besides fusions.
@Michael89240 First off Great Ape doesn't count. Everyone that goes Great Ape turns that way. I mean naturally destructive something that Goku is not. And first of all Golden Great Ape doesn't exist because that only happened in GT which wasn't made by Akira Toriyama which means it doesn't count.
@Michael89240 And what do you mean "Goku may loose his energy but he'll still try hard". That doesn't make him better at all. Thats like when people come up and say "Well you lost but at least you tried". In the end he still lost. Wither you tried hard are not doesn't change the fact you lose. And saying Goku tries as hard as he can to fight everyone in the universe while Broly does it effortlessly and still comes out on top just makes the differences between them more apparent.
@supersaiyanjax93 "Goku may loose his energy but he'll still try hard" meaning that goku will try hard. If goku did fight everyone in the universe like in the otherworld tournament he will still effortlessly win. Did you remember? SPIRIT BOMB!!! Goku can just asks more energy and get it. Anything broly can goku can do better. Goku can effortlessly win better than broly.
@Michael89240 Spirit Bomb is not sucsessful. He has to be given energy by people. All people have to do is refuses to give him their energy. And unless there is someone that can distract the enemy for Goku while he charges it then he is screwed. Goku would be on his own in this fight, meaning he would have no time to collect energy and people still wouldn't give him any. Got any other ones nooby.
@supersaiyanjax93 He has time to get energy. He just has to act like he is fake dead like in the battle against omega shenron and android 17. And if that doesn't work. He just has to charge it. In the battle against frieza goku charged his spirit bomb without anyone's help in the beginning.
@Michael89240 And this is a dumb comment. I already stated that Goku would have to try hard meaning it wouldn't be effortless becuase trying hard means your giving effort, dumbass. And to put another hole in your theory, if Goku is fighting the whole universe then Spirit Bomb won't work because no one is gonna give him energy. What are they just gonna be like "Oh, were fighting this guy but were just gonna give him energy to use against us anyway".
@supersaiyanjax93 Goku can get the energy from plants and animals dude. Remeber fighting frieza and vegeta and super android 17 and lots of fights. He used spirit bomb from animals and plants from the whole universe and beat the crap against the fighters.
Legendary super saiyan is a saiyan born in Super Saiyan form. Like broly. And he gets stronger in the form the longer he stays in it. Akira didn't wrote gettin therefore there is no ss4. But it isn't as strong as Lss. If Broly didn't have tht weak spot from being stabbed they all would've died on new vegeta because they were out cold and goku was damn near too. They would've lost. They got lucky. Ssj couldn't beat The Legend :)
Broly got stabbed in the heart not in the spot Goku punched him so your wrong. second a LSSJ isnt "born" a SSJ, just with a VERY high PL for a baby (like Broly having 10 000 and Goku only having 2). 3rd of all the Legendary SSJ AKA Original SSJ is the one Vegeta talked about on Namek. the OSSJ is NOT the same as the LSSJ (Broly). a lot of people believe that the OSSJ was a SSJ4 but couldnt control the Golden Oozaru so he destroyed his home and himself.
the SSJ4 is the same one we see in Vegetas flashback on Namek. the one Vegeta referred to as "the Super Saiyan of Legend (Original SSJ)." Broly is the "chosen" SSJ, however Broly has nothing to do with the Original SSJ we see in vegetas flashback.
this argument is past canon man. no ones cares about things being canon or not. its not religion its an anime. Anime, Movies, GT etc...its all canon to me. they all count as Dragon Ball/Z/GT characters.
@Chaldean4life91 Then you are just being retarded to try to make sense to add non-canon to canon. If it's not in the manga, its not canon. End of story.
guys ssj mutliply power 50 times bardock was pathetic weak (in his era y he was strong) but come on vegeta was the strongest saiyan and his power lvl was 10.000 broly born with 50.000 no compare for sure!!!
Broly's limit is not shown, but this doesn't mean he has no limit... Yes he never had a power struggle and never seemed to use his full power because he was always "toying", but the full extent of his maximum is not shown, so any argument about how strong he actually is is speculation and not fact... therefore we must go by what we saw of him, and it's simple. Broly is NOT stronger than the Buu Saga Saiyans... In one movie Broly was making trouble in hell and he was stopped quite easily by Goku
I like Broly, I'm not a Broly hater, but Broly just isn't as strong as you claim he is...
is it really that hard to understand??? He was supirior to the average Super Saiyan, and even made it past SSJ 2, but the idea that he has the "potential" to take on SSJ 3 Goku or Mystic Gohan or any of the "strongest" characters is simply speculation... There is no proof and no evidence... lol
For all we know, Janemba or Kid Buu could have HUGE potentials too, but we JUST don't know for sure... NO PROOF!
1.) Kid Buu may have been at his max, but who is not to say he could get stronger trough training or more "absorbtion"... Either way, Kid Buu only died because the Spirit Bomb works best in wiping out evil, and Kid Buu is known as "evil incarnate"...
2.) What happened to Janemba probably would have been worse to Broly... Gogeta would Obliterate Broly... lmao how do you know Broly would have fared any better than SSJ Gogeta or anybody stronger than a SSJ 3??? lolololol
Gohan is a prime example of genetics. What did Trunks say when Gohan transformed? And I quote ''He did right ...He transformed without losing speed''
He trained as much as Trunks, Goku & Vegeta (Gohan wasn't even a SSJ at this point). Yet, he was the only character to reach SSJ2. If it wasn't genetics and soley ''body-consumption-training'', he wouldn't of been able to do it right, would've turned USSJ or would've gassed out in 30 minutes in SSJ2.
Yes, it is a well observed that Saiyan-Human Hybrids can gain more from training than full blooded saiyans... This is infact true, and it is a genetic advantage. Hence why Trunks and Goten were able to go SSJ at such a young age, and Goten tured SSJ before he knew how to fly... Yet this still doesn't show evidence of what you claim and that being that Broly has "Unlimited Potential"... Maybe I'm misunderstanding you because your terminology is inaccurate, but I doubt that.
And you're incorrect about Saiyan-Human-Hybrids gaining more through training. Where the fuck do you come up with this stuff? I swear you've been watching your own Anime.
Saiyan Human Hybrids can have more control of their ''emotions'' since they're 1/2 Human. Thus, making them vulnerable ''to-a-need''. Theres nothing about them being more ''eligable'' through training than Full-Blooded Saiyans.
You're trolling now. Admit defeat. Your points are moot at this point, bud.
WTF??? I thought the same thing about the "emotion" part, But Goten and Trunks are proof that it's a genetic advantage... Goten became a SSJ after training with his mother... He didn't have any serious emotions or anything that drove him there... It came to him after training with CHI CHI... That's fucking proven in the Anime you dumb ass...
When you constantly have generations of biological fitness and survival, the end result of heredity is that the offspring inherit their traits from their parents, grandparents, ancestors and so on in the form of genes. In this instance, we're assuming ''Male'' counterparts of DBZ are the ones who inherit this concept most.
Agan you made no actual point in your last post, but called me a dumbass, when you don't even know ''Basic'' Science.
LOL, It takes far more than a few insults to achieve SSJ... Goku has been insulted many times troughout DB and DBZ, but he didn't achieve SSJ until he saw visions of what would happen if Frieza wasn't stopped...
And if you recall how Trunks achieved SSJ, it was by "playing" with Goten LMAO
On ther other hand. Goku is the ONLY one who chews more than he can bite. I've never seen Vegeta stall out on a transformation. Thats why he didn't even bother going USSJ against Cell, even though he could've been any times stronger.
Its like me entering a marathon when I've only ran 3 miles for 30 days, then gassing. As appose to someone who has ran a few times in their life, but is genetically durable to hold out longer in a marathon.
Genetics are a bitch and do not hinder someobodies body composition when eventually releasing genetic powers. Also, where is YOUR evidence that Broly cannot hold out in his form?
The only thing we saw was Broly expelling excess energy. There was no indication that he couldn't contain it. You're infact the only one making up HORSEHIT.
That other guy (Marthisej) atleast brings up debatable facts to argue which weren't whipped up from the depths of his buttcrack.
lmao, it's pretty obvious... just look at everything Trunks said when he figured out the problems of being a USSJ... Even Goku said the same thing... He said being an USSJ made the body too bulky... The reason? Because it was USSJ is the power of a SSJ 2 in the body of a SSJ... In order to effectivly use the USSJ powers, there would need to be a transformation... which Gohan was the first to achieve.
Broly can't have more power than his body can handle. this is obvious...
I like where you found out that Broly cannot handle more power in his body than already seen. I've also really enjoyed your sources and references thus far. You've shown everyone that this is concrete facts and provided the relevant sources. This isn't made up atall, man. You didn't make it up bro.
But yeah thanks for agreeing with me that ''genetic exclusivity'' play the role here.
Also, Broly had torn clothing and battle marks as a result of the ''previous'' battle seven years ago, not because he was swamped in Lava. If that was the case, then his clothing would've been noteworthy. I'd figure that in Movie 8, is when the directors portray Broly's ''Unleashing'' as apose to Movie 10, where they portray his ''Invulnerability'' according to his ''Legendary Status''.
So basically Movie 8 is ''Ground & Pound'', whilst Movie 10 is '''Sit Back & Stomp''
The only character that I know of that can handle infinate power increases is Garlic Junior, and that's only because he is Immortal... To bad he's weak as hell though... so it's not like he can to much... Also, he's trapped in a void dimension... a fate probably far worse than death...
Broly is not immortal, so the idea that he has UNLIMITED power increases without training or having some kind of next transformation is ABSURD... Broly can't get too powerful without harming his own body first...
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Garlic Jr is immortal, but he doesn't have ''increases''
Just because someone is immortal doesn't mean they can have unlimited energy. Immortality grants you eternal life, not eternal energy. I thought you would atleast know the basics on that. It doesn't matter what your opinion is. Its stated in the 6th Dizenshuu that Broli has the power to increase his power consistently with no ''bank''. The SSJ3 form can't even hold out longer than a normal SSJ (Lmao).
I can already assume that the majority of us watching this are fans of broly but come on guys we all have to realize that broly is strong but not stronger then a ssj3 goku broly is stronger then a ssj2 but not a ssj3 goku maybe if broly amplified his rage more so he can enhance his power then yes i guess they can step toe to toe.
lol if that were even possible... Broly would harm himself... Broly can only have as much power as his body can sustain. He can't get more power unless he himself transforms... which he can't do because after he's a SSJ he can't go SSJ 2 and then 3 because after SSJ he goes LSSJ and then he's stuck there.
Broly is always angry and enraged because that's what his power does to him... He isn't fit to handle the kind of power he has... He hasn't trained his body to do so like goku has
@SamuelJoaodaSuica i Agree with that but you have to agree with me that even with his massive unstable power as a Lssj it consistently grows it even said it in the trailer limitless power even in movie 8 where goku was fighting broly while broly was just a ssj and said his power just increased dramatically because he was hostile during the fight.
Yea, it's power increases with no "known limit". That just means that we never saw LSSJ Broly's limt, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't have any limit.
Unless he is a God (more than a title) there is no way his body can get infinate power increases unless he goes through some kind of transformation. Being able to survive with constant power increases is nothing short of a miracle... Like I said, one can only have as much power as the body can handle... AND BRLOY DOESN"T EVEN TRAIN!
Exactly!!! Finally somebody who understands the logic here... Just look at Broly's base form... He's quite lean in his base form, but he's all bulked up in his LSSJ form as if he's about to explode... This is unlike SSJ 3 Goku who actually goes through a transformation to handle the power increases... If Goku had the kind of power he has as a SSJ 3 in his SSJ form I wouldn't be suprized if he looked a lot like Broly... Remember Trunks??? When he was a USSJ he looked like Broly. lol
As I stated to Samuel before. Aslong as Broly continues to expel unwarranted energy throughout his course of destruction. Hes unstoppable. If I'm jogging for hours on-end on a drug high and I stop every 10 minutes to drink water, I won't dehydrate myself or OD. Thus allowing me to continue on that high, even though it has the potential to kill me.
USSJ is just a small fraction of muscle increase which loses speed. However, the LSSJ state doesn't lose speed.
@SamuelJoaodaSuica And also even though we both agreed on broly can enhance his power but it has it's limits like remember when goku punched broly in his abdominal area he popped like a balloon because all the fucking massive unstable power gathered in his body it;s like a closet filled with stacks of fucking clothes and once you open the closet all the clothes will fall right on you XD.
Yeah, pretty much... Broly is so full of power, one punch to the gutt and Broly pretty much throws up Ki blasts hahahaha
He's like a nuclear reactor kind of... He has to cool down by releasing ki blasts... If he's frozen in a glacier his power will grow so high he will explode and it will be like Chernobyl, Russia where that Nuclear Plant exploded... lol
I get the feeling that all that power Broly has hurts him, I mean he looks really stressed out... lol
He was shooting blasts coz he was insane, but he also needs to fire them to relieve the stress of his power, like when you are really angry you may hit a wall and it makes you feel better... There is no rationality behind this, but then again, Broly was crazy anyway... So yeah it does help you "cool down"... Broly hates Goku, so destroying stuff helps him cool down like punching a wall helps some people when they are angry...
@SamuelJoaodaSuica no he doesnt. theres no proof he is stressed out by his power considering that whole shooting in every direction was done ONCE. then from then on there was no problems. like mssj. theres no problems with that "form".
There is no proof that he wasn't stressed. Yet there was plenty of evidence that HE WAS STRESSED... I mean look at Broly. How many other Super Saiyans do you know that have no pupils or and have greenish yellow hair instead of golden hair??? and his muscles are bulging almost as if they are about to jump off his body. He looks preety stressed out, very much like a wild dog despite how calm he looks. becoz of this, there's more evidence that HE IS stressed by his powers than he isnt
Broly doesn't train... Training is a Disciplined Activity... Going around Destroying stuff IS HARD WORK which brings the kind of muscles that Broly has... BUT ITS NOT TRAINING... Training is a Disciplined Activity that focuses on a balance between physical work and mental focus... Broly was more like having fun destroying things because he was crazy... Destroying all that stuff is hard work, and that's what gave him those muscles, not training... There is no evidence that he trains
@SamuelJoaodaSuica broly trained. unless you think he just NATURALLY OUT OF NOWHERE got perfect ki control and huge muscles. destroying stuff isnt hard work. vegeta was wiping out planets for most of his life and he was only at 18000. usually it was tremendously easy for him.
The SSJ3 form cannot be sustained, even though Goku trained so your point is moot here. It doesn't matter if one doesn't train when they're genetically ''Legenedary''. Gohan trained much less frequently and less intense than Goku did, yet he unconcisously had a hidden reservation of final power that not even the strongest warriors who train, could achieve (Vegeta, Trunks, etc).
FPSSJ is a prime example of a form that was achieved through ''conditioning'' the body for it.
@SamuelJoaodaSuica (Continued), Yet the FPSSJ form or condition was unreliable in the end.
Gohan didn't train for 7 years, yet turned out to be the single strongest character at the end of the series. Are you trying to tell me that Gohan didn't train, therefore his ''Mystic Power Up'' doesn't allow him to sustain it?
That is witheld power. Essentially, no matter what a character does (train, be lazy or not train), he will always have that reserve bank of power with no limits, like Broly.
Mystic Gohan had ''limits'' per se. But you missed the point Slaphead. What I was relating my arguement to was that ''genetically exclusive'' people such as (Gohan, Broly, Goku in some instances, etc) do not need to rely on ''training'' to withstand the strains and consumptions of stronger forms, since its their hidden reservations on default.
Gohan's (Mystic) form was just his maximum brink of power and didn't exceed in ''Energy'' Whereas Broly's maximum does.
Broly's Maximum does??? Where is your proof??? This is something you are making up. I have heard this countless times before from other Broly fans... you are no exception... there is no proof of this, and do you even understand the implications of this??? It means Broly would be harmful to himself because a character can only contain as much power as the body can handle... lololol
Broly's Maximum (genetically exclusive) ''peak''. I didn't mean his actual maximum ''power'' or ''energy'' which we haven't seen through a chronological sense like Gohan (Saiyans, Namek, Cell Games, Buu, etc). All the times Gohan was weaker than a stronger opponent and he tagged them was whilst he unleashed some of his ''hidden reserves'' even if it was for 60 seconds.
Like I've argued before. When you're genetically exclusive, your transformation doesn't hinder your body.
"Like I've argued before. When you're genetically exclusive, your transformation doesn't hinder your body"
AND LIKE I'VE ASKED YOU BEFORE, WHERE IS CONCRETE PROOF OF THIS??? WAS THIS EVER STATED BY AKIRA TORIYAMA??? What you are saying is highly debatable, and my reasoning is far more likely than yours...
There is concrete proof in the series. Gohan is the example here. I'm not arguing the same debate with you, when you've grasped what I'm saying but just repeating the same theme over-and-over again due to lack of information and broly-hatred.
Akira Toriyama stated and didn't state alot of things, but his logic speaks volumes during the Anime Series. If Gohan achieved SSJ2 correctly, why the hell didn't the others achieve it? Why didn't Goku of all characters?
I think I'm starting to understand what you are saying now, You are saying that Broly can achieve powers faster than other Saiyans, just like Gohan achieved SSJ 2 far quicker than Goku and Vegeta... And Goten and Trunks achieved SSJ before they were teenagers where as Broly and Gohan did in their Teens...
It took Goku and Vegeta far longer
I see what you mean now, Broly does have a genetic advantage, yet again, he cannot use it to his full potential because he's too dumb.
I kind've misinterpretated my reasoning. I've explained above or below (dunno) on Gohan's Mystic Power.
We can assume Broly's final deciding point is his LSSJ form. We can assume that Gohan's Mystic Power Up is his final form, and Goku's SSJ3 form etc. When I say final, I mean their ''obscured'' genetic power that is there regardless of training or no training. Vegeta was well over the mark to achieve SSJ on Namek, he trained and got alot of Zenkais too, but yet it wasnt there
His muscles don't say anything about his "training"...
his fighting skills are ameteur, and the only reason he looks good is because he is that much more powerful than the Z warriors were in the first Broly movie... Broly is actually not a skilled fighter... He's just a tank that knows how to throw powerful punches, kicks and ki blasts... Broly doesn't train, whatever he knows he got from having fun destroying things throughout his life-time...
@SamuelJoaodaSuica his fighting skills are brutal in style but not amateur. he uses alot of clotheslines but obviously that worked for him. vegeta is less finessed than goku and his style is more like a boxers but it still works. and that is skill. broly can control his ki PERFECTLY. that would take training to do. you dont naturally have control over the energy pouring out of your body by sitting around all day. and you dont get giant muscles. vegeta didnt and he destroyed planets
Again, Broly didn't train, he has a natural ability to control his ki (barely). I can't imagine the training he must have been doing in his mother's womb to control that 10,000 power level he had at birth... lol
As for Broly's fighting style... lol, He is Powerful and Brutal, but his techniques are like that of a WWE wrestler, to be honest, he actually looks like he fits in in the WWE hahahaha...
The evidence is there. In the series or movies, there wasn't one fighter who soloed the entire Z Fighters without being harmed (atall), eventually leading them to their utmost ''peak''. Nobody can name one character in the series or movies, that didn't have to show their peak powers in order to win or be on god-mode.
Broly was unharmed in both Movies (10 & 11) and certainly didnt even use 25% of his complete maximum power. SSJ3 has limits, meh
@MarthisEj Man, I can't believe people using Gohan's knee to the face as evidence that he somehow ''harmed'' Broly. I can admit that it ''stunned'' Broly, but harmed? To me, in DBZ, when someone weaker harms a stronger opponent, is situations like USSJ Trunks punching Perfect Cell allover the mountains.
Even though Perfect Cell was considerably stronger and holding back, Trunks was still at a ''margin'' to inact physical ''harm'' on Cell, to the point of ''drawing blood''
Because Broly in Movie 10 wasn't shown to be as dominant as he was in Movie 8. In Movie 8, he was destroying everyone and everything, taking hits very well...showing no signs of damage. His body design was clean despite running through every single building and landscape.
Movie 10 he only tanked 1 clean punch. Gohan's kicks were having more effects on Broly compared to all attacks in Movie 8. Gohan broke through his grip...and Broly had scars emerging from the lava.
Your rhetoric doesn't correlate with ''DBZ Universe'' logic. The factoids are that Broly WAS stronger in Movie 10, than he was in Movie 8. The reason for this? He recieved a Zenkai due to near death experience. So whatever he could've took in Movie 8. He was taking triple in Movie 10. You have to understand that EVERYONE got stronger too. Even though Gohan was a stronger SSJ2 7 years ago. He was still a stronger Gohan than he was in Movie 8
He's fighting stronger opponents closer to his power, therefore he's not shown to be as dominant as he was previously portrayed as.
Broly's portrayed dominance only goes as far to the strength of his opponent. Fact is, Movie 10 Gohan > Movie 8 Z-Fighters. And despite Broly getting a power up or not, he didn't take out Gohan as he did in the previous movie, because the gap between the 2 is much closer than Broly & Movie 8 Heroes.
If the power margins were that much closer then there would've been an equal enough attack struggle with the Kamehameha and Galactic Buster. Then Broly wouldn't of tanked Gohan's punch to the forehead, then Broly wouldn't of used one-hand to gauge an attack against three people and so on.
When a power is closer to an opposing power, often times there can be ''equal opportunities'', meaning the chance of ''short burst combat'' or a power struggle.
Again it is just ''Plot Induced Stupidity''. We see Restrained SSJ Broly tanking Vegeta's full-blown attack in Movie 8. Then we see Broly get a knee to the face at LSSJ level, and being stunned by it in Movie 10. I'd wager that Vegeta's attack in Movie 8 would've done a certain amount of considerable damage to Movie 10's SSJ2 Gohan.
"Plot Induced Stupidity" will not disregard what actually happened. After all, this is Toei, a Movie, and DBZ. Logic doesn't apply. If Gohan's Knee Attack > Vegeta's Ki Blast....then that's how it is.
And about those list of fights....the 2 are relatively comparable in power.
But, you can't say the gap between Movie 8 Broly and Z Fighters is similar to the gap between Movie 10 Broly and Gohan. The latter 2 are closer in power, but not in the same manner as your list.
Then if we cannot bring PIS situations, we cannot deviate that Gohan was closer in power in Movie 10. Theres one logic in DBZ and that is the ability to manipulate energy and fly. Then there are ''inconsistencies'' which is what we're talking about now between Movie's 8 & 10.
I can agree to the point of Gohan being closer in power to Broly ONLY due to the fact that he was a regular SSJ in Movie 8. However, this doesn't indicate the reason he snuffed Broly several times in Movie 10
Oh and my gap between SSJ2 Gohan and Broly would compare to a fight like Super Janemba vs Super Gogeta and not a gap like SSJ2 Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell is probably what you're thinking of in terms of comparison.
As soon as a character tanks a solid punch to the face without head movement. There is short of a small margin there and we're well aware of what Super Gogeta did to Janemba. He ended him in like 11 body shots and a final attack.
Yeah, but the power gap between the heroes and Broly was far smaller in movie 10 than it was in movie 8... Or atleast it seemed so... Broly tanked a lot of the z fighters at once and seemed far more supirior than he did in movie 10 where he was mostly up against Gohan and lost to him (Goku helped
The truth again is that Broly was just far stronger than the Z fighters in the first movie, and though he got stronger in the 2nd, the gap between him and the others was smaller
The power gap was far smaller between the ''Heroes''? Dude, it was only Gohan and Broly going at it in Movie 10. You cannot bring the Goten & Trunks stupidity into this since Broly wasn't transformed at this stage.
I'm not denying that there was a smaller increase of power intervals between Movies 8 & 10. Thats just because Gohan was SSJ2. I consider an SSJ2 ''eligible'' to hold its own even against ANY other stronger forms longer than all the other SSJ forms could.
Another example is someone like Chibi Gohan on Namek and the countless times he tagged 2nd Form & 100% Frieza. Chibi Gohan was like, what? 250,000 (estimate) whilst Frieza was at first on 1,000,000 and then 120,000,000. Yet Gohan tagged him countless times.
Essentally there ''had'' to be a plothole to bring the big bad monster (Broly) down. However, if Broly had been in the series, I can assure you there would've been countless deaths like the Kid Buu Saga.
The only thing i'm going to add from that....is if Broly was canon and had his own saga. Then we would have a more spot on view on his overall strength and his weaknesses.
LMAO you could argue the same thing about Janemba and Hirudegarn who were both stronger than Broly and actually had extremely unique abilities... and were far more interesting characters than Broly (my opinion)
Hirudegarn can become a gas at will to dodge attacks which probably suggests that he may be able to regenerate as well, especially because he seemed okay when he was split in two.
Janemba can stretch his body, maybe regenerate as well (debatable) and can open wormholes!!!
Yea, if Broly had a saga then his power and limits wouldn't be vague...so we can actually place him somewhere in a certain tiers not depending on Toei's crapped out power scalings.
I never said anything about Hirudegarn and Janemba lol
YEA, I agree with you! But I was just making the point that Hirudegarn and Janemba follow the same idea... If both of them had their own sagas, it would be the same about them... We can better place them on power scales as well. Janemba and Hirudegarn are brilliant characters with unique abilities and it would have been great if they had sagas and we could see the full extent of their uniqueness. Same with Broly ofcourse, but I was just making the point that Broly isn't the only one
If that were the case there would've been a bigger fanbase for Hidregarn and Janemba. They only accounted for (1) Movie each. Personally, my favourite Movie villain or character next to Broly would be Bojack. The charactristics and skins of him and his crew warranted another Movie. Unfortunately we had bogus crap like Movie 11 with Bio-Broly, but I can testify to that since Broly's legendary genetics could clone once more, making him even more Legendary
Basically what I'm saying is. We've seen everybodies most POSSIBLE ultimate peaks (Mystic, SSJ2, SSJ3 etc) whether through excessive training, no training or just genetics, through the series. I'm assuming Broly CANNOT attain anything ''higher'' than his already accomplished form (I'm not a fanboy).
At this point, he can only recieve Zenkais, but cannot ''transform'' into another higher tier form. His energy is just stipulated in this state, whereas the others do not.
Yes, I agree with you on this one, I too believe that Broly cannot attain a higher transformation because his LSSJ state is a product of genetic mutation, and based on the idea that his "ki constantly increases", this seems to suggest the idea that there is no transformation higher than what he already has... The question is, where is his limit? Surly his Ki cannot grow to infinity? And after growing too much it MUST harm his body through all that stress it causes...
So taking into account that a SSJ2 is a ''default'' transformation to resist whatever stronger characters or forms. I'm still not refusing to say this is why Broly was vulnerable to a few sneak attacks on Gohans part.
Just recap all of the SSJ2 Vegeta fights. He ''held his own'' against Janemba, Fat Boo, Kid Boo, Janemba and a Goku who was holding back SSJ3. Even though they were all many times stronger, he had ''eligiblity'' to hold out or even enact damage
Goku never held back against Janemba as a SSJ3... Goku went 100%, but Janemba was just that much stronger than him...
Again, I agree that Broly tanked everyone and nobody held their own against him in the first movie, but again the reason for this is that everyone was just far weaker than him... In the 2nd movie Gohan seemed weaker as well, but the gap seemed smaller since this time he was fighting Broly alone... Gohan actually did a better job than he did the first time.
LOL, VEGETA did not hold his own against Janemba, I don't even recall Vegeta successfully touching Janemba hahahaha...
Fat Boo is like a child, he wasn't even fighting Vegeta, he was just letting him hit him, and in the end Vegeta blew himself into dust and DID Fat Boo seem injured or battle weary after this? NOOOOO
Kid Boo threw Vegeta like a rag doll. Vegeta didn't hold his own at all... He was lucky he could even walk after a minute of fighting
Type in ''Vegeta s Janemba (2K HD)'' and watch how SSJ2 Vegeta shot a Ki Blast through Janemba's Teleportation Portal.
He also dodged and evaded several kicks and punches. If Fat Boo was ''allowing'' Vegeta to do this without being harmed, he wouldn't of been slapped around so badly.
Vegeta's punches would've been like pebbles hitting a metal door, just like how Gohan's punches were useless t Broly in Movie 10.
Yes he would have, Because Fat Buu is like a child, he fights back seriously when he's angry, but if you notice, Fat Boo wasn't even trying to defend himself when he was being hit by Vegeta. Fat buu was just standing there and letting him hit him...
And again, if Janemba was supirior to SSJ 3 Goku, what makes you say Vegeta "held his own" against Janemba???
As you said, "Holding your own" doesn't mean the ability to throw pebbles at a Metal door... lololol
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Wrote ''As you said, "Holding your own" doesn't mean the ability to throw pebbles at a Metal door... lololol''
I said that in that context did I?
Haha. You're done and I've won.
I ain't replying to you anymore unless you get your act together. Eventually, when Internet-Know-It-Alls get called out and shown up, they commonly resort to trolling when their number has been caught.
YOUR NUMBER WAS CAUGHT.
The audience can review the discussion (pages) and see how you lost.
LOL, let them look at it... In the end your idea that Broly has the most "potential" to become the strongest character in DBZ is just speculation. It's not proven, and doesn't have any evidence... You brought out a few good points that I couldn't disagree with, but it is funny how you used those points to argue for your ridiculous notions about Broly. I'm not ignorant, so I will agree when I feel what you are saying is accurate, but the overall ideas you have are PURE SHIT
That's only because everyone in DBZ was THAT MUCH weaker than Broly... not because Broly had "unlimited ki growth potential"... That idea is complete bullshit... It's made up, and there no evidence for it...
Unlimited ki reserve doesn't exist in DBZ... LMFAO... there is no evidence let alone proof of anything you say...
I've provided the relevant sources by word-of-mouth for you to search. I've already stated that the 6th Daizenshuu or Daizenshuu are encyclopedic harcover format books released by Toei & interviews with Akira Toriyama. Where Broly is able to ''tap'' into hidden reserves.
If I was spouting complete bullshit. I would be pleading comercial fanboyism like ''herpderp... Toriyama said Broly was the strongest character in the series'' When that wasn't implied.
17 and 18 have Unlimited Stamina, meaning they never get tired or worn out because their Cybernetic comportments give them this. Unlike 19 and 20 who need to absorb energy from organisms, 17 and 18 run on kind of a Battery that never runs out of energy... like the Energizer Bunny...
But that doesn't mean they have Unlimited Ki, If they did, they would be Gods, and Cell would have no chance of overpowering them...
Who ever said Broly was a God??? lol, Broly was strong, but he is still mortal and quite frankly no where nearly as strong as some of the other characters we see in the DBZ universe...
Broly FTW
thuganime 1 week ago
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@Arlando60
broly was a beast however toei made him an horrible story i mean goku made him cry so he is evil? lol they could of made his story much better to show their LSSJ but they failed
pakl123456 2 weeks ago
broly will always be my favourite saiyan
xXxTheRealMcKoyxXx 2 weeks ago
Bardock is the Real Legendary Super Saiyan, after Frieza Tries 2 kill him & destroy planet Vegeta, Bardock somehow traveles to the past & kicks Frieza's ancestor Lord Chilled ass by turnin Super Saiyan. Lord Chilled told everyone 2 warn his family about da power of a saiyan & then he dies. i watched a part in dragonball z where there was a saiyan dat had so much power he killed himself & destroyed da planet he was in, which i think it was bardock when he turned into an ape in planet vageta.
MrCLEAN214 3 weeks ago
@MrCLEAN214 A golden ape you mean
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
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Arlando60 2 weeks ago
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@MrCLEAN214 Wrong.. some of the attributes of a Lssj is being Unmerciful and ruthless. Bardock , vegeta and goku can control they're power unlike broly where his power is unstable and also didn't this trailer say there own blind rage eventually destroys them that's confirmed to be broly not bardock that whole bardock turning ssj scenario is basically a what if that is why it is placed in his manga not the anime This is referring to broly's breed of saiyan not bardock That's an implication.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago 3
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Toriyama himself created the design for Lssj He was given the title as the legendary super saiyan why make a movie featuring a regular super saiyan villain? You can tell by his Unique traits and attributes it is stated that the Lssj comes from anger and rage practically a killing machine goku is a warrior with heart The tale vegeta spoke about the Lssj in the freiza saga must have been referred to what broly is.
Arlando60 4 weeks ago
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Arlando60 4 weeks ago
The thing that makes Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan is the fact that he doesn't lost power during fights, it only grows stronger. Goku may be able to tap into the limits of his Saiyan potential but even he has never unlocked a transformation that gives him limitless power. That's what makes Broly a Legendary Super Saiyan. Not his destructive tendency but the fact that he never runs out of energy and actually gains more the longer he fights.
supersaiyanjax93 1 month ago 5
@supersaiyanjax93 The reason why he is legendary is because he survived the
plant vegeta explotion from frieza. Broly is overated because all he does is say kakaroot and scream. Goku however will always be the strongest in the universe because he trains hard and works through hard work everyday and never gives up in a fight. Its not ever about the title but whats right.
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
@Michael89240 Yeah in the sense of morality. I'm talking about the differences between their transformations. The fact that Broly never loses energy and actually gains more the longer he fights is what sets the Legendary Super Saiyan state apart from any other transformation. If you had Goku take on everyone in the universe, by the end he would have little to no energy left. While Broly on the other hand would be several times stronger. Goku's has limits, Broly doesn't. That is the difference.
supersaiyanjax93 2 weeks ago
@supersaiyanjax93 But goku knows hardwork and trainning. Broly doesn't. All broly does is power up. He doesn't know guts and the will to actually train. Even if goku does fight everyone in the universe and loose energy, he will still try harder and never give up. Broly doesn't do any of this. He only can take revenge on people and scream. Goku will always be the pure hearted legendary super saiyan that everyone should look up to
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
@Michael89240 Lol thats what he mean. Morally speaking Goku is better. And really if you were like Broly and didn't need to train to get stronger, would you? And secondly Goku can't be seen as a Legendary Super Saiyan cause they were seen as bringers of destruction. Seeing as Goku doesn't have the two qualities that make a Legendary Super Saiyan and the fact that he can't enter the state means that he isn't one. He's a great hero just not a Legendary Super Saiyan
supersaiyanjax93 2 weeks ago
@supersaiyanjax93 First of all goku does have destructional feelings. A.K.A great ape.
Goku is the legendary super saiyan. The legendary super saiyan can only be in the transformed state as vegeta said so meaning golden great ape. Goku gets all the atributes of the legendary super saiyan in the golden great ape. He gets wild and kills every one he sees. Goku is the legendary super saiyan.
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
@Michael89240 In non cannon goku is probably the legendary super saiyan because broly does not exist in non cannon broly is only the legendary super saiyan in the cannon universe.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
dude broly is awesome and a great character movie 10 broly was the strongest lol but some people say broly is not stronger than cell i wish toei would say who is stronger cell or broly
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku It's a huge debate and a lot of speculation know one really knows it's hard to compare non cannon with cannon but from my perspective i think movie 10 broly is slightly stronger then cell.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
i dont know its really hard to compare them lol do you know 054martinm? everyone knows him he is a stupid person who trolls any funi video and says collen does better work than stephanie he is also a brolyhater and states broly is a fail character just like slug and bojack
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku He's a dumb ass who sucks dick for a living i always beat him in debates.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
yeah he is a troll iwas debating him and thats what he said "future gohan has power wise but he is overrated broly was a fail character just like slug and bojack" he also said "broly is weak he doesnt know how to train correctly and of course he is not strong they had three ssjs to do the job and finish him off" he is also a kai lover
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku No that only happened because trunks distracted broly same familiar death like cell but anyways bojack is a fail character but slug and broly aren't he likes db kai right? he's not used to watching blood and profanity and more violence that's why he watches it he's more of a nick jr. watching kind of guy.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
lol true but yet broly was beaten by three super saiyans that what he says but i think it doesnt really matter because broly has the abillity to increase his attack with every blast so it doesnt matter if he was able to hold them off and it doesnt mean he is so strong his attack was unique but broly was badass more in movie 10 movie 8's look was ugly
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku Lets recap it even when a 7 year stronger goku was contributing broly was still giving them a struggle correct and the entire time broly was laughing until he seen a blast from the side of the sky from trunks once he took his other hand of his ultimate move he could not enhance its power because he was busy with trunks is little ki blast notice now as soon as it happened they all screamed together just like what happened with cell both cell and broly never revealed there true potential
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
lol thats why i think broly is on cell's level and movie 10 broly is probably equal to SPC thats why they had the same death
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku Some one who i debated with in the past said they are based off eachother same death, same green explosive wave , same annoying noise when they walk , same kick to the neck by vegeta same power comment from piccolo.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
who is it?
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku pakl1234 it isn't a fact they are based off each
other but it makes sense.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
what????? hahahahaha you mean pakl123456? i know him he is my neiborhood hahaha by the way did you agree with him?
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku i agreed with him but also told him it's not a fact it's only a perspective.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
i had some doubts but i think it might be they have too much things in common note:in the end of movie 11 goku was told to go to hell with pikkon just like when they were asked to go to hell and beat cell in movie 11 broly was in a capsule just like cell was when he was born and broly's liquid's color was just like the shell that cell had when he was out of his capsule when he was born they also had the same death in both movies and vegeta used his blasts just like he did vs cell
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
ohh and both movie 10 broly and SPC were called in a similiar name broly was called insane evil and cell ws called demented demon which is the same meaning this is what pakl123456 told me its interesting no?
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku also the ideal of broly's transformation they claim he is the perfect saiyan a killing machine similar to cell as being perfect.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
this is because toei started to work on movie 8 when cell went perfect so obviously broly was based off those scens and later on by the way base hathyack was stated to be slightly stronger than movie 8 broly and when hatchyack was about to be born the doctor said "go and acheive your PERFECT form" which has to do with cell hatchyack's body also resembles cell's and the doctor is based off dr gero i think base hatchyack=full poer perfect cell>movie 8 broly broly is close to their level
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
by the way android 16 stated perfect cell is a killing machine in the japanese dub hahaha
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Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@1320goku Yeah i know just like how cooler's hetchmen are based off recoome burter and jeice. Burter resembles that tall brown guy recoome resembles that muscular dumb green guy with the helmet and jeice resembles salza the purple skinned guy both jeice and salza have foreign accents.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
in movie 4 medamacha and angila are based off burter and jeice and thats because it happened in their time line broly is on cell's time line so he is based off him
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku Also this is from my perspective it's not a fact but i think vegeta's rumor during the freiza saga where he says the legendary super saiyan is born from rage which i think is based off broly i know he was referring to goku but i think he was referring to broly's breed it might be an implication.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60
no way he meant to bardock besides broly wasnt created in this time line
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@1320goku I know i meant broly's breed of saiyan not broly directly to broly XD and broly is only the legendary super saiyan in the cannon universe not the non cannon universe.
Arlando60 2 weeks ago
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@Arlando60
when you say canon universe you mean the movies? broly is the LSSJ in non canon and bardock is the LSSJ in canon
pakl123456 1 week ago
@Arlando60
you know in the anime SPC was called ultimate perfect cell and now when you mention broly and cell so i remember that the producer of broly's movies said movie 8 broly was the perfect saiyan and movie 10 broly would be the ultimate perfect saiyan which is also weird also broly and goku had in movie 8 the same blinking aura cell did
1320goku 2 weeks ago
@Arlando60 If you are talking about cannon and non cannon than broly doesn't even technically exists than. So goku is the strongest in the universe besides fusions.
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
@Michael89240 I am not discussing non cannon i am discussing cannon.
Arlando60 1 week ago
@Michael89240 First off Great Ape doesn't count. Everyone that goes Great Ape turns that way. I mean naturally destructive something that Goku is not. And first of all Golden Great Ape doesn't exist because that only happened in GT which wasn't made by Akira Toriyama which means it doesn't count.
supersaiyanjax93 2 weeks ago
@supersaiyanjax93 Great ape does count. vegeta doesn't go cazy in great ape or golden great ape. Gt was directed by Akira Toriyama so it does count.
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
@Michael89240 And what do you mean "Goku may loose his energy but he'll still try hard". That doesn't make him better at all. Thats like when people come up and say "Well you lost but at least you tried". In the end he still lost. Wither you tried hard are not doesn't change the fact you lose. And saying Goku tries as hard as he can to fight everyone in the universe while Broly does it effortlessly and still comes out on top just makes the differences between them more apparent.
supersaiyanjax93 2 weeks ago
@supersaiyanjax93 "Goku may loose his energy but he'll still try hard" meaning that goku will try hard. If goku did fight everyone in the universe like in the otherworld tournament he will still effortlessly win. Did you remember? SPIRIT BOMB!!! Goku can just asks more energy and get it. Anything broly can goku can do better. Goku can effortlessly win better than broly.
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
@Michael89240 Spirit Bomb is not sucsessful. He has to be given energy by people. All people have to do is refuses to give him their energy. And unless there is someone that can distract the enemy for Goku while he charges it then he is screwed. Goku would be on his own in this fight, meaning he would have no time to collect energy and people still wouldn't give him any. Got any other ones nooby.
supersaiyanjax93 2 weeks ago
@supersaiyanjax93 He has time to get energy. He just has to act like he is fake dead like in the battle against omega shenron and android 17. And if that doesn't work. He just has to charge it. In the battle against frieza goku charged his spirit bomb without anyone's help in the beginning.
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
@Michael89240 And this is a dumb comment. I already stated that Goku would have to try hard meaning it wouldn't be effortless becuase trying hard means your giving effort, dumbass. And to put another hole in your theory, if Goku is fighting the whole universe then Spirit Bomb won't work because no one is gonna give him energy. What are they just gonna be like "Oh, were fighting this guy but were just gonna give him energy to use against us anyway".
supersaiyanjax93 2 weeks ago
@supersaiyanjax93 Goku can get the energy from plants and animals dude. Remeber fighting frieza and vegeta and super android 17 and lots of fights. He used spirit bomb from animals and plants from the whole universe and beat the crap against the fighters.
Michael89240 2 weeks ago
I see all of you are still at it.
AizenSamaKingX 1 month ago
Legendary super saiyan is a saiyan born in Super Saiyan form. Like broly. And he gets stronger in the form the longer he stays in it. Akira didn't wrote gettin therefore there is no ss4. But it isn't as strong as Lss. If Broly didn't have tht weak spot from being stabbed they all would've died on new vegeta because they were out cold and goku was damn near too. They would've lost. They got lucky. Ssj couldn't beat The Legend :)
djletitrock1324 1 month ago
@djletitrock1324
Broly got stabbed in the heart not in the spot Goku punched him so your wrong. second a LSSJ isnt "born" a SSJ, just with a VERY high PL for a baby (like Broly having 10 000 and Goku only having 2). 3rd of all the Legendary SSJ AKA Original SSJ is the one Vegeta talked about on Namek. the OSSJ is NOT the same as the LSSJ (Broly). a lot of people believe that the OSSJ was a SSJ4 but couldnt control the Golden Oozaru so he destroyed his home and himself.
Chaldean4life91 1 month ago
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broly's power deosnt grow forever andhe was stabbed in the heart goku punced him in the abs not the pecs its a myth
pakl123456 3 weeks ago
relax martin054 you sad wanker
lssj is chosen one. ssj4 you get for working for it.
lssj and ssj4 are the true ssj transformation and the strongest due to repersenting the orinigal super sayains. ssj1 ssj2 ssj3 are just for show
Mr261194 1 month ago 2
@Mr261194
the SSJ4 is the same one we see in Vegetas flashback on Namek. the one Vegeta referred to as "the Super Saiyan of Legend (Original SSJ)." Broly is the "chosen" SSJ, however Broly has nothing to do with the Original SSJ we see in vegetas flashback.
Chaldean4life91 1 month ago
@Chaldean4life91 SSJ4 and Broly are non-canon.
Kotoszayel 1 month ago
@Kotoszayel
this argument is past canon man. no ones cares about things being canon or not. its not religion its an anime. Anime, Movies, GT etc...its all canon to me. they all count as Dragon Ball/Z/GT characters.
Chaldean4life91 1 month ago
@Chaldean4life91 Then you are just being retarded to try to make sense to add non-canon to canon. If it's not in the manga, its not canon. End of story.
Kotoszayel 1 month ago
guys ssj mutliply power 50 times bardock was pathetic weak (in his era y he was strong) but come on vegeta was the strongest saiyan and his power lvl was 10.000 broly born with 50.000 no compare for sure!!!
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Arlando60 2 months ago
Don't worry, I was surprised too when I first saw that...
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SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@054martinm yes gohan was running away. cuz none of his attacks work on broly.
5MRORANGE 2 months ago
@5MRORANGE gohan only "ran away" to lure broly to the lava. it was strategy.
054martinm 2 months ago
@054martinm ya ha was runnun and lurin him cuz his attacks dont work on broly. and his lava trap failed anyway.
5MRORANGE 2 months ago
Broly's limit is not shown, but this doesn't mean he has no limit... Yes he never had a power struggle and never seemed to use his full power because he was always "toying", but the full extent of his maximum is not shown, so any argument about how strong he actually is is speculation and not fact... therefore we must go by what we saw of him, and it's simple. Broly is NOT stronger than the Buu Saga Saiyans... In one movie Broly was making trouble in hell and he was stopped quite easily by Goku
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
I like Broly, I'm not a Broly hater, but Broly just isn't as strong as you claim he is...
is it really that hard to understand??? He was supirior to the average Super Saiyan, and even made it past SSJ 2, but the idea that he has the "potential" to take on SSJ 3 Goku or Mystic Gohan or any of the "strongest" characters is simply speculation... There is no proof and no evidence... lol
For all we know, Janemba or Kid Buu could have HUGE potentials too, but we JUST don't know for sure... NO PROOF!
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica We know Kid Buu and Janemba didn't have anything left because:
1.When Buu was obliterated by the Spirit Bomb (He used two hands and had a power struggle)
2.When Janemba punched Gogeta in the forehead and Gogeta just stood there, then Janemba got hit eleven times and got ended with a Stardust Attack.
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ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
1.) Kid Buu may have been at his max, but who is not to say he could get stronger trough training or more "absorbtion"... Either way, Kid Buu only died because the Spirit Bomb works best in wiping out evil, and Kid Buu is known as "evil incarnate"...
2.) What happened to Janemba probably would have been worse to Broly... Gogeta would Obliterate Broly... lmao how do you know Broly would have fared any better than SSJ Gogeta or anybody stronger than a SSJ 3??? lolololol
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
Lastly.
Gohan is a prime example of genetics. What did Trunks say when Gohan transformed? And I quote ''He did right ...He transformed without losing speed''
He trained as much as Trunks, Goku & Vegeta (Gohan wasn't even a SSJ at this point). Yet, he was the only character to reach SSJ2. If it wasn't genetics and soley ''body-consumption-training'', he wouldn't of been able to do it right, would've turned USSJ or would've gassed out in 30 minutes in SSJ2.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Yes, it is a well observed that Saiyan-Human Hybrids can gain more from training than full blooded saiyans... This is infact true, and it is a genetic advantage. Hence why Trunks and Goten were able to go SSJ at such a young age, and Goten tured SSJ before he knew how to fly... Yet this still doesn't show evidence of what you claim and that being that Broly has "Unlimited Potential"... Maybe I'm misunderstanding you because your terminology is inaccurate, but I doubt that.
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
And you're incorrect about Saiyan-Human-Hybrids gaining more through training. Where the fuck do you come up with this stuff? I swear you've been watching your own Anime.
Saiyan Human Hybrids can have more control of their ''emotions'' since they're 1/2 Human. Thus, making them vulnerable ''to-a-need''. Theres nothing about them being more ''eligable'' through training than Full-Blooded Saiyans.
You're trolling now. Admit defeat. Your points are moot at this point, bud.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
WTF??? I thought the same thing about the "emotion" part, But Goten and Trunks are proof that it's a genetic advantage... Goten became a SSJ after training with his mother... He didn't have any serious emotions or anything that drove him there... It came to him after training with CHI CHI... That's fucking proven in the Anime you dumb ass...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica You failed Biology didn't you?
When you constantly have generations of biological fitness and survival, the end result of heredity is that the offspring inherit their traits from their parents, grandparents, ancestors and so on in the form of genes. In this instance, we're assuming ''Male'' counterparts of DBZ are the ones who inherit this concept most.
Agan you made no actual point in your last post, but called me a dumbass, when you don't even know ''Basic'' Science.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Oh and just to note, Goten attained SSJ because Chi-Chi insulted him (emotions).
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
LOL, It takes far more than a few insults to achieve SSJ... Goku has been insulted many times troughout DB and DBZ, but he didn't achieve SSJ until he saw visions of what would happen if Frieza wasn't stopped...
And if you recall how Trunks achieved SSJ, it was by "playing" with Goten LMAO
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
On ther other hand. Goku is the ONLY one who chews more than he can bite. I've never seen Vegeta stall out on a transformation. Thats why he didn't even bother going USSJ against Cell, even though he could've been any times stronger.
Its like me entering a marathon when I've only ran 3 miles for 30 days, then gassing. As appose to someone who has ran a few times in their life, but is genetically durable to hold out longer in a marathon.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
So overall.
Genetics are a bitch and do not hinder someobodies body composition when eventually releasing genetic powers. Also, where is YOUR evidence that Broly cannot hold out in his form?
The only thing we saw was Broly expelling excess energy. There was no indication that he couldn't contain it. You're infact the only one making up HORSEHIT.
That other guy (Marthisej) atleast brings up debatable facts to argue which weren't whipped up from the depths of his buttcrack.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
lmao, it's pretty obvious... just look at everything Trunks said when he figured out the problems of being a USSJ... Even Goku said the same thing... He said being an USSJ made the body too bulky... The reason? Because it was USSJ is the power of a SSJ 2 in the body of a SSJ... In order to effectivly use the USSJ powers, there would need to be a transformation... which Gohan was the first to achieve.
Broly can't have more power than his body can handle. this is obvious...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Thanks for agreeing with my statement.
I like where you found out that Broly cannot handle more power in his body than already seen. I've also really enjoyed your sources and references thus far. You've shown everyone that this is concrete facts and provided the relevant sources. This isn't made up atall, man. You didn't make it up bro.
But yeah thanks for agreeing with me that ''genetic exclusivity'' play the role here.
Cheers, MCFLY! :-)
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
I can't find which comments were directed to me. x_x
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj
Also, Broly had torn clothing and battle marks as a result of the ''previous'' battle seven years ago, not because he was swamped in Lava. If that was the case, then his clothing would've been noteworthy. I'd figure that in Movie 8, is when the directors portray Broly's ''Unleashing'' as apose to Movie 10, where they portray his ''Invulnerability'' according to his ''Legendary Status''.
So basically Movie 8 is ''Ground & Pound'', whilst Movie 10 is '''Sit Back & Stomp''
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
The only character that I know of that can handle infinate power increases is Garlic Junior, and that's only because he is Immortal... To bad he's weak as hell though... so it's not like he can to much... Also, he's trapped in a void dimension... a fate probably far worse than death...
Broly is not immortal, so the idea that he has UNLIMITED power increases without training or having some kind of next transformation is ABSURD... Broly can't get too powerful without harming his own body first...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Garlic Jr is immortal, but he doesn't have ''increases''
Just because someone is immortal doesn't mean they can have unlimited energy. Immortality grants you eternal life, not eternal energy. I thought you would atleast know the basics on that. It doesn't matter what your opinion is. Its stated in the 6th Dizenshuu that Broli has the power to increase his power consistently with no ''bank''. The SSJ3 form can't even hold out longer than a normal SSJ (Lmao).
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
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@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA show me the daizenshuu link where you saw that.
054martinm 2 months ago
I can already assume that the majority of us watching this are fans of broly but come on guys we all have to realize that broly is strong but not stronger then a ssj3 goku broly is stronger then a ssj2 but not a ssj3 goku maybe if broly amplified his rage more so he can enhance his power then yes i guess they can step toe to toe.
zeyenists 2 months ago
@zeyenists
lol if that were even possible... Broly would harm himself... Broly can only have as much power as his body can sustain. He can't get more power unless he himself transforms... which he can't do because after he's a SSJ he can't go SSJ 2 and then 3 because after SSJ he goes LSSJ and then he's stuck there.
Broly is always angry and enraged because that's what his power does to him... He isn't fit to handle the kind of power he has... He hasn't trained his body to do so like goku has
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica i Agree with that but you have to agree with me that even with his massive unstable power as a Lssj it consistently grows it even said it in the trailer limitless power even in movie 8 where goku was fighting broly while broly was just a ssj and said his power just increased dramatically because he was hostile during the fight.
zeyenists 2 months ago
@zeyenists
Yea, it's power increases with no "known limit". That just means that we never saw LSSJ Broly's limt, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't have any limit.
Unless he is a God (more than a title) there is no way his body can get infinate power increases unless he goes through some kind of transformation. Being able to survive with constant power increases is nothing short of a miracle... Like I said, one can only have as much power as the body can handle... AND BRLOY DOESN"T EVEN TRAIN!
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Your right he would just explode i guess.
zeyenists 2 months ago
@zeyenists
Exactly!!! Finally somebody who understands the logic here... Just look at Broly's base form... He's quite lean in his base form, but he's all bulked up in his LSSJ form as if he's about to explode... This is unlike SSJ 3 Goku who actually goes through a transformation to handle the power increases... If Goku had the kind of power he has as a SSJ 3 in his SSJ form I wouldn't be suprized if he looked a lot like Broly... Remember Trunks??? When he was a USSJ he looked like Broly. lol
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
As I stated to Samuel before. Aslong as Broly continues to expel unwarranted energy throughout his course of destruction. Hes unstoppable. If I'm jogging for hours on-end on a drug high and I stop every 10 minutes to drink water, I won't dehydrate myself or OD. Thus allowing me to continue on that high, even though it has the potential to kill me.
USSJ is just a small fraction of muscle increase which loses speed. However, the LSSJ state doesn't lose speed.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
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@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA wtf? oh yes so unstoppable that he has never won a fight. he doesnt "expel" energy. no evidence for that.
054martinm 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica And also even though we both agreed on broly can enhance his power but it has it's limits like remember when goku punched broly in his abdominal area he popped like a balloon because all the fucking massive unstable power gathered in his body it;s like a closet filled with stacks of fucking clothes and once you open the closet all the clothes will fall right on you XD.
zeyenists 2 months ago
@zeyenists
Yeah, pretty much... Broly is so full of power, one punch to the gutt and Broly pretty much throws up Ki blasts hahahaha
He's like a nuclear reactor kind of... He has to cool down by releasing ki blasts... If he's frozen in a glacier his power will grow so high he will explode and it will be like Chernobyl, Russia where that Nuclear Plant exploded... lol
I get the feeling that all that power Broly has hurts him, I mean he looks really stressed out... lol
a closet full of clothes
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
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@SamuelJoaodaSuica he doesnt "cooll down". he was shooting blasts cos hes insane.
054martinm 2 months ago
@054martinm
He was shooting blasts coz he was insane, but he also needs to fire them to relieve the stress of his power, like when you are really angry you may hit a wall and it makes you feel better... There is no rationality behind this, but then again, Broly was crazy anyway... So yeah it does help you "cool down"... Broly hates Goku, so destroying stuff helps him cool down like punching a wall helps some people when they are angry...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica no he doesnt. theres no proof he is stressed out by his power considering that whole shooting in every direction was done ONCE. then from then on there was no problems. like mssj. theres no problems with that "form".
054martinm 2 months ago
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@054martinm
There is no proof that he wasn't stressed. Yet there was plenty of evidence that HE WAS STRESSED... I mean look at Broly. How many other Super Saiyans do you know that have no pupils or and have greenish yellow hair instead of golden hair??? and his muscles are bulging almost as if they are about to jump off his body. He looks preety stressed out, very much like a wild dog despite how calm he looks. becoz of this, there's more evidence that HE IS stressed by his powers than he isnt
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
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@SamuelJoaodaSuica broly does train. do you think he just got muscles by sitting around all day for 30 years? doesnt compute.
054martinm 2 months ago
@054martinm
Broly doesn't train... Training is a Disciplined Activity... Going around Destroying stuff IS HARD WORK which brings the kind of muscles that Broly has... BUT ITS NOT TRAINING... Training is a Disciplined Activity that focuses on a balance between physical work and mental focus... Broly was more like having fun destroying things because he was crazy... Destroying all that stuff is hard work, and that's what gave him those muscles, not training... There is no evidence that he trains
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica broly trained. unless you think he just NATURALLY OUT OF NOWHERE got perfect ki control and huge muscles. destroying stuff isnt hard work. vegeta was wiping out planets for most of his life and he was only at 18000. usually it was tremendously easy for him.
054martinm 2 months ago
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@054martinm
lmao, no he didn't... I'm not going to repeat myself, but no he didn't lol
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
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@zeyenists no goku never said that. he cant constantly increase or the z fighters would have noticed it.
054martinm 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
The SSJ3 form cannot be sustained, even though Goku trained so your point is moot here. It doesn't matter if one doesn't train when they're genetically ''Legenedary''. Gohan trained much less frequently and less intense than Goku did, yet he unconcisously had a hidden reservation of final power that not even the strongest warriors who train, could achieve (Vegeta, Trunks, etc).
FPSSJ is a prime example of a form that was achieved through ''conditioning'' the body for it.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica (Continued), Yet the FPSSJ form or condition was unreliable in the end.
Gohan didn't train for 7 years, yet turned out to be the single strongest character at the end of the series. Are you trying to tell me that Gohan didn't train, therefore his ''Mystic Power Up'' doesn't allow him to sustain it?
That is witheld power. Essentially, no matter what a character does (train, be lazy or not train), he will always have that reserve bank of power with no limits, like Broly.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
No limits??? Bullshit!!!
Mystic Gohan still lost to Buutenks, so this proves it's not "limitless"
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
Mystic Gohan had ''limits'' per se. But you missed the point Slaphead. What I was relating my arguement to was that ''genetically exclusive'' people such as (Gohan, Broly, Goku in some instances, etc) do not need to rely on ''training'' to withstand the strains and consumptions of stronger forms, since its their hidden reservations on default.
Gohan's (Mystic) form was just his maximum brink of power and didn't exceed in ''Energy'' Whereas Broly's maximum does.
Thanks.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Broly's Maximum does??? Where is your proof??? This is something you are making up. I have heard this countless times before from other Broly fans... you are no exception... there is no proof of this, and do you even understand the implications of this??? It means Broly would be harmful to himself because a character can only contain as much power as the body can handle... lololol
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
Broly's Maximum (genetically exclusive) ''peak''. I didn't mean his actual maximum ''power'' or ''energy'' which we haven't seen through a chronological sense like Gohan (Saiyans, Namek, Cell Games, Buu, etc). All the times Gohan was weaker than a stronger opponent and he tagged them was whilst he unleashed some of his ''hidden reserves'' even if it was for 60 seconds.
Like I've argued before. When you're genetically exclusive, your transformation doesn't hinder your body.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
"Like I've argued before. When you're genetically exclusive, your transformation doesn't hinder your body"
AND LIKE I'VE ASKED YOU BEFORE, WHERE IS CONCRETE PROOF OF THIS??? WAS THIS EVER STATED BY AKIRA TORIYAMA??? What you are saying is highly debatable, and my reasoning is far more likely than yours...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
There is concrete proof in the series. Gohan is the example here. I'm not arguing the same debate with you, when you've grasped what I'm saying but just repeating the same theme over-and-over again due to lack of information and broly-hatred.
Akira Toriyama stated and didn't state alot of things, but his logic speaks volumes during the Anime Series. If Gohan achieved SSJ2 correctly, why the hell didn't the others achieve it? Why didn't Goku of all characters?
ROFL.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
I think I'm starting to understand what you are saying now, You are saying that Broly can achieve powers faster than other Saiyans, just like Gohan achieved SSJ 2 far quicker than Goku and Vegeta... And Goten and Trunks achieved SSJ before they were teenagers where as Broly and Gohan did in their Teens...
It took Goku and Vegeta far longer
I see what you mean now, Broly does have a genetic advantage, yet again, he cannot use it to his full potential because he's too dumb.
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Gohan went with the ritual to bring out the full limits of his power. He does not have unlimited power reserves...
In another term, its a recycled plot device to make Gohan somewhat relevant again (even though if its for a brief moment).
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj Yup.
I kind've misinterpretated my reasoning. I've explained above or below (dunno) on Gohan's Mystic Power.
We can assume Broly's final deciding point is his LSSJ form. We can assume that Gohan's Mystic Power Up is his final form, and Goku's SSJ3 form etc. When I say final, I mean their ''obscured'' genetic power that is there regardless of training or no training. Vegeta was well over the mark to achieve SSJ on Namek, he trained and got alot of Zenkais too, but yet it wasnt there
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
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@SamuelJoaodaSuica yes he has. look at the muscles and fighting skill. hes trained.
054martinm 2 months ago
@054martinm
His muscles don't say anything about his "training"...
his fighting skills are ameteur, and the only reason he looks good is because he is that much more powerful than the Z warriors were in the first Broly movie... Broly is actually not a skilled fighter... He's just a tank that knows how to throw powerful punches, kicks and ki blasts... Broly doesn't train, whatever he knows he got from having fun destroying things throughout his life-time...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica his fighting skills are brutal in style but not amateur. he uses alot of clotheslines but obviously that worked for him. vegeta is less finessed than goku and his style is more like a boxers but it still works. and that is skill. broly can control his ki PERFECTLY. that would take training to do. you dont naturally have control over the energy pouring out of your body by sitting around all day. and you dont get giant muscles. vegeta didnt and he destroyed planets
054martinm 2 months ago
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@054martinm
Again, Broly didn't train, he has a natural ability to control his ki (barely). I can't imagine the training he must have been doing in his mother's womb to control that 10,000 power level he had at birth... lol
As for Broly's fighting style... lol, He is Powerful and Brutal, but his techniques are like that of a WWE wrestler, to be honest, he actually looks like he fits in in the WWE hahahaha...
Technique wise Broly is an ameteur...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@zeyenists Its not a matter of being a ''fanboy''
The evidence is there. In the series or movies, there wasn't one fighter who soloed the entire Z Fighters without being harmed (atall), eventually leading them to their utmost ''peak''. Nobody can name one character in the series or movies, that didn't have to show their peak powers in order to win or be on god-mode.
Broly was unharmed in both Movies (10 & 11) and certainly didnt even use 25% of his complete maximum power. SSJ3 has limits, meh
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
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MarthisEj 2 months ago
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MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj I would agree with you on Broly having a ''limit' IF he demonstrated and showed concrete evidence on it, such as:
1. Had an ''equal'' power duel (with two hands)
2. Showed signs of fatique, drained energy and strength (sweating)
3. Engaged equally in ''physical combat'' (Frieza & SSJ Goku on Namek etc)
4. Tanked the most powerful attack but (''not stand there in the smoke and laugh'') and ended up in rubble.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@MarthisEj Man, I can't believe people using Gohan's knee to the face as evidence that he somehow ''harmed'' Broly. I can admit that it ''stunned'' Broly, but harmed? To me, in DBZ, when someone weaker harms a stronger opponent, is situations like USSJ Trunks punching Perfect Cell allover the mountains.
Even though Perfect Cell was considerably stronger and holding back, Trunks was still at a ''margin'' to inact physical ''harm'' on Cell, to the point of ''drawing blood''
That's ''harming''.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Because Broly in Movie 10 wasn't shown to be as dominant as he was in Movie 8. In Movie 8, he was destroying everyone and everything, taking hits very well...showing no signs of damage. His body design was clean despite running through every single building and landscape.
Movie 10 he only tanked 1 clean punch. Gohan's kicks were having more effects on Broly compared to all attacks in Movie 8. Gohan broke through his grip...and Broly had scars emerging from the lava.
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj Listen.
Your rhetoric doesn't correlate with ''DBZ Universe'' logic. The factoids are that Broly WAS stronger in Movie 10, than he was in Movie 8. The reason for this? He recieved a Zenkai due to near death experience. So whatever he could've took in Movie 8. He was taking triple in Movie 10. You have to understand that EVERYONE got stronger too. Even though Gohan was a stronger SSJ2 7 years ago. He was still a stronger Gohan than he was in Movie 8
That is why your logic cannot stand
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
I never said Broly was weaker in Movie 10.
He's fighting stronger opponents closer to his power, therefore he's not shown to be as dominant as he was previously portrayed as.
Broly's portrayed dominance only goes as far to the strength of his opponent. Fact is, Movie 10 Gohan > Movie 8 Z-Fighters. And despite Broly getting a power up or not, he didn't take out Gohan as he did in the previous movie, because the gap between the 2 is much closer than Broly & Movie 8 Heroes.
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj I disagree, strongly.
If the power margins were that much closer then there would've been an equal enough attack struggle with the Kamehameha and Galactic Buster. Then Broly wouldn't of tanked Gohan's punch to the forehead, then Broly wouldn't of used one-hand to gauge an attack against three people and so on.
When a power is closer to an opposing power, often times there can be ''equal opportunities'', meaning the chance of ''short burst combat'' or a power struggle.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@MarthisEj
Again it is just ''Plot Induced Stupidity''. We see Restrained SSJ Broly tanking Vegeta's full-blown attack in Movie 8. Then we see Broly get a knee to the face at LSSJ level, and being stunned by it in Movie 10. I'd wager that Vegeta's attack in Movie 8 would've done a certain amount of considerable damage to Movie 10's SSJ2 Gohan.
Close Power Margin bouts are:
Frieza vs SSJ Goku
SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku
USSJ Trunks vs Perfect Cell
Piccolo vs Frieza
To name a few
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
And if I'm not mistaken. All the times when Gohan slightly tagged Broly, is when he wasn't even powered up or in SSJ/2 forms.
Thats even more reason to show that its PIS. Either that or Broly breaks Gohan's bone structure. Then we wouldn't have a Movie 10 ending.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
"Plot Induced Stupidity" will not disregard what actually happened. After all, this is Toei, a Movie, and DBZ. Logic doesn't apply. If Gohan's Knee Attack > Vegeta's Ki Blast....then that's how it is.
And about those list of fights....the 2 are relatively comparable in power.
But, you can't say the gap between Movie 8 Broly and Z Fighters is similar to the gap between Movie 10 Broly and Gohan. The latter 2 are closer in power, but not in the same manner as your list.
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj
Then if we cannot bring PIS situations, we cannot deviate that Gohan was closer in power in Movie 10. Theres one logic in DBZ and that is the ability to manipulate energy and fly. Then there are ''inconsistencies'' which is what we're talking about now between Movie's 8 & 10.
I can agree to the point of Gohan being closer in power to Broly ONLY due to the fact that he was a regular SSJ in Movie 8. However, this doesn't indicate the reason he snuffed Broly several times in Movie 10
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@MarthisEj
Oh and my gap between SSJ2 Gohan and Broly would compare to a fight like Super Janemba vs Super Gogeta and not a gap like SSJ2 Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell is probably what you're thinking of in terms of comparison.
As soon as a character tanks a solid punch to the face without head movement. There is short of a small margin there and we're well aware of what Super Gogeta did to Janemba. He ended him in like 11 body shots and a final attack.
Thats the gap I'm comparing by-the-way
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Yeah, but the power gap between the heroes and Broly was far smaller in movie 10 than it was in movie 8... Or atleast it seemed so... Broly tanked a lot of the z fighters at once and seemed far more supirior than he did in movie 10 where he was mostly up against Gohan and lost to him (Goku helped
The truth again is that Broly was just far stronger than the Z fighters in the first movie, and though he got stronger in the 2nd, the gap between him and the others was smaller
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
The power gap was far smaller between the ''Heroes''? Dude, it was only Gohan and Broly going at it in Movie 10. You cannot bring the Goten & Trunks stupidity into this since Broly wasn't transformed at this stage.
I'm not denying that there was a smaller increase of power intervals between Movies 8 & 10. Thats just because Gohan was SSJ2. I consider an SSJ2 ''eligible'' to hold its own even against ANY other stronger forms longer than all the other SSJ forms could.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
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ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@MarthisEj (Continued).
Another example is someone like Chibi Gohan on Namek and the countless times he tagged 2nd Form & 100% Frieza. Chibi Gohan was like, what? 250,000 (estimate) whilst Frieza was at first on 1,000,000 and then 120,000,000. Yet Gohan tagged him countless times.
Essentally there ''had'' to be a plothole to bring the big bad monster (Broly) down. However, if Broly had been in the series, I can assure you there would've been countless deaths like the Kid Buu Saga.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
The only thing i'm going to add from that....is if Broly was canon and had his own saga. Then we would have a more spot on view on his overall strength and his weaknesses.
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj
LMAO you could argue the same thing about Janemba and Hirudegarn who were both stronger than Broly and actually had extremely unique abilities... and were far more interesting characters than Broly (my opinion)
Hirudegarn can become a gas at will to dodge attacks which probably suggests that he may be able to regenerate as well, especially because he seemed okay when he was split in two.
Janemba can stretch his body, maybe regenerate as well (debatable) and can open wormholes!!!
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
so....why is this response to me?
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj
Must have been something you said about Broly's potential if he had a saga instead of being in a movie...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
Yea, if Broly had a saga then his power and limits wouldn't be vague...so we can actually place him somewhere in a certain tiers not depending on Toei's crapped out power scalings.
I never said anything about Hirudegarn and Janemba lol
MarthisEj 2 months ago
@MarthisEj
YEA, I agree with you! But I was just making the point that Hirudegarn and Janemba follow the same idea... If both of them had their own sagas, it would be the same about them... We can better place them on power scales as well. Janemba and Hirudegarn are brilliant characters with unique abilities and it would have been great if they had sagas and we could see the full extent of their uniqueness. Same with Broly ofcourse, but I was just making the point that Broly isn't the only one
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Lmao at Hidregarn!
If that were the case there would've been a bigger fanbase for Hidregarn and Janemba. They only accounted for (1) Movie each. Personally, my favourite Movie villain or character next to Broly would be Bojack. The charactristics and skins of him and his crew warranted another Movie. Unfortunately we had bogus crap like Movie 11 with Bio-Broly, but I can testify to that since Broly's legendary genetics could clone once more, making him even more Legendary
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica
Basically what I'm saying is. We've seen everybodies most POSSIBLE ultimate peaks (Mystic, SSJ2, SSJ3 etc) whether through excessive training, no training or just genetics, through the series. I'm assuming Broly CANNOT attain anything ''higher'' than his already accomplished form (I'm not a fanboy).
At this point, he can only recieve Zenkais, but cannot ''transform'' into another higher tier form. His energy is just stipulated in this state, whereas the others do not.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Yes, I agree with you on this one, I too believe that Broly cannot attain a higher transformation because his LSSJ state is a product of genetic mutation, and based on the idea that his "ki constantly increases", this seems to suggest the idea that there is no transformation higher than what he already has... The question is, where is his limit? Surly his Ki cannot grow to infinity? And after growing too much it MUST harm his body through all that stress it causes...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica (Continued).
So taking into account that a SSJ2 is a ''default'' transformation to resist whatever stronger characters or forms. I'm still not refusing to say this is why Broly was vulnerable to a few sneak attacks on Gohans part.
Just recap all of the SSJ2 Vegeta fights. He ''held his own'' against Janemba, Fat Boo, Kid Boo, Janemba and a Goku who was holding back SSJ3. Even though they were all many times stronger, he had ''eligiblity'' to hold out or even enact damage
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Goku never held back against Janemba as a SSJ3... Goku went 100%, but Janemba was just that much stronger than him...
Again, I agree that Broly tanked everyone and nobody held their own against him in the first movie, but again the reason for this is that everyone was just far weaker than him... In the 2nd movie Gohan seemed weaker as well, but the gap seemed smaller since this time he was fighting Broly alone... Gohan actually did a better job than he did the first time.
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
LOL, VEGETA did not hold his own against Janemba, I don't even recall Vegeta successfully touching Janemba hahahaha...
Fat Boo is like a child, he wasn't even fighting Vegeta, he was just letting him hit him, and in the end Vegeta blew himself into dust and DID Fat Boo seem injured or battle weary after this? NOOOOO
Kid Boo threw Vegeta like a rag doll. Vegeta didn't hold his own at all... He was lucky he could even walk after a minute of fighting
(Goku held his own tho)
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Did you even watch Movie 12 Samuel?
Type in ''Vegeta s Janemba (2K HD)'' and watch how SSJ2 Vegeta shot a Ki Blast through Janemba's Teleportation Portal.
He also dodged and evaded several kicks and punches. If Fat Boo was ''allowing'' Vegeta to do this without being harmed, he wouldn't of been slapped around so badly.
Vegeta's punches would've been like pebbles hitting a metal door, just like how Gohan's punches were useless t Broly in Movie 10.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
Yes he would have, Because Fat Buu is like a child, he fights back seriously when he's angry, but if you notice, Fat Boo wasn't even trying to defend himself when he was being hit by Vegeta. Fat buu was just standing there and letting him hit him...
And again, if Janemba was supirior to SSJ 3 Goku, what makes you say Vegeta "held his own" against Janemba???
As you said, "Holding your own" doesn't mean the ability to throw pebbles at a Metal door... lololol
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Wrote ''As you said, "Holding your own" doesn't mean the ability to throw pebbles at a Metal door... lololol''
I said that in that context did I?
Haha. You're done and I've won.
I ain't replying to you anymore unless you get your act together. Eventually, when Internet-Know-It-Alls get called out and shown up, they commonly resort to trolling when their number has been caught.
YOUR NUMBER WAS CAUGHT.
The audience can review the discussion (pages) and see how you lost.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
LOL, let them look at it... In the end your idea that Broly has the most "potential" to become the strongest character in DBZ is just speculation. It's not proven, and doesn't have any evidence... You brought out a few good points that I couldn't disagree with, but it is funny how you used those points to argue for your ridiculous notions about Broly. I'm not ignorant, so I will agree when I feel what you are saying is accurate, but the overall ideas you have are PURE SHIT
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA
That's only because everyone in DBZ was THAT MUCH weaker than Broly... not because Broly had "unlimited ki growth potential"... That idea is complete bullshit... It's made up, and there no evidence for it...
Unlimited ki reserve doesn't exist in DBZ... LMFAO... there is no evidence let alone proof of anything you say...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica Are you RETARDED?
I've provided the relevant sources by word-of-mouth for you to search. I've already stated that the 6th Daizenshuu or Daizenshuu are encyclopedic harcover format books released by Toei & interviews with Akira Toriyama. Where Broly is able to ''tap'' into hidden reserves.
If I was spouting complete bullshit. I would be pleading comercial fanboyism like ''herpderp... Toriyama said Broly was the strongest character in the series'' When that wasn't implied.
ANIMALMOTHERFUCKYEA 2 months ago
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@SamuelJoaodaSuica how do you explain 17 and 18 then? id say they are unlimited
054martinm 2 months ago
@054martinm
17 and 18 have Unlimited Stamina, meaning they never get tired or worn out because their Cybernetic comportments give them this. Unlike 19 and 20 who need to absorb energy from organisms, 17 and 18 run on kind of a Battery that never runs out of energy... like the Energizer Bunny...
But that doesn't mean they have Unlimited Ki, If they did, they would be Gods, and Cell would have no chance of overpowering them...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
@SamuelJoaodaSuica exactly so why say broly is a god if he was overpowered by 3 ssj1s and rammed up the sun's ass?
054martinm 2 months ago
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@054martinm
Who ever said Broly was a God??? lol, Broly was strong, but he is still mortal and quite frankly no where nearly as strong as some of the other characters we see in the DBZ universe...
SamuelJoaodaSuica 2 months ago
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@zeyenists if broly is stronger than ssj2, he wouldnt have lost to three ssj1s.
054martinm 2 months ago