Paul Ryan explains problems with public plan

[davidlabelle361]

I wish that every one of those dipshit republicans who vote against universal health care would have a child with cystic fibrosis. Sound a little harsh? Good, it was supposed to.

[megarational]

Ryan, give it up. More and more people are understanding that you want to give tax breaks for the rich and kick seniors off medicare.

Oh, yeah, you'll give them a voucher, and if the insurance co.'s won't offer them insurance for the amount of the voucher - welcome to the world of having no health care insurance you dammed seniors.

[xXxDANMANxXx]

@megarational medicare is going bankrupt anyways, that's the problem with you liberals, you think that anything involving taxes or the government means it's all good and nothing to worry about. This nation was set up for the people running the market, not government.

[megarational]

@xXxDANMANxXx Wrong about "what Liberals think".

You must have gotten your information about "what liberals think" from partisan right-wing sources.

[Meade556]

@xXxDANMANxXx Medicare is not going to go up to 39 trillion in costs. That is a lie. Besides Social Security is paid for by you, me and to an extent our employers. Since wealthy corporations have rarely, except when there were high taxes, had it so good, they can certainly afford it. They have no right to touch something I have paid for.

[xXxDANMANxXx]

@Meade556 There's more and more people retiring though, that's the problem (because of the baby boom) and more people out of employment so that means less social security money coming into the system in the first place, that's two reasons right there

[Meade556]

@xXxDANMANxXx Yeah so Social Security can be guaranteed forever and ever amen if we create more jobs, one way is by writing heavy punishments into tax and tariff laws for outsourced jobs, second by everyone pay into Social Security. Second on Medicare, allowing it to be available to everyone would result in a flurry of buying, pumping money into the system and ensuring in the short term at least that there is more than enough money for the baby boomers

[Meade556]

@xXxDANMANxXx People not spending so much on healthcare will result in this money being released for spending in other areas helping the economy, try at least $900 billion of it.

[79barkingspider]

It is the custom of wealthy Republicans in this country to push their most worthless offspring into politics. That way they don't hang around and fuck up the family business. Paul Ryan is a classic example. He's just another trust-fund baby who never held a real job in his life and now wants to guarantee that no one else does. He believes that the poor are what they are because they lack "moral fiber". A disgrace.

[Meade556]

@79barkingspider Also, he's Irish. The only reason someone like him and his family were ever able to make something out of themselves, was because bleeding heart do-gooders, the type of people who have done all the things that make this country great, said "We can't treat the Irish like animals because they are Catholic. This is America, everyone deserves a fair chance." But you know how it goes. Kiss up and kick down. Ryan and his buddy Duffy.

[79barkingspider]

@Meade556 I have no idea what you're trying to say, and I don't see what it has to do with the video or my comment. My loss I guess.

[Meade556]

@79barkingspider I am saying how dare he destroy the system that allowed his family and himself to be successful and enjoy the life he had. Let there be no mistake these attacks will close off opportunities for advancement resulting in a far more stagnant society. Try the Soviet Union in the 1980s, except there was more argument at the top in the Soviet Union. No Gorbachev could ever come to power if Ryan gets his way.

[Meade556]

@79barkingspider Also I think I commented at the wrong person, what you said I agree with entirely.

[rickbar123]

Hey Paul !!! What does CEO cock taste like ????

[genYprogressive]

@koabarra Name one country other than the US that uses for-profit health insurance.

[regelemihai]

@genYprogressive

Many don't, and they're not doing better. So the point is moot.

[genYprogressive]

@regelemihai No it is not. There are 40 countrys that are doing better thant the US. that spend less and heve better results than us.

Paul Ryan makes zero sense. He does not belong on the budget committee Paul Krugman exposed him for what he is. He is a charlatan that is posing as an economist.

[regelemihai]

40 countries are not doing better just because their government distributed healthcare. Quality in the US is higher. When a government intervenes and rations care you have lower standards of care, long waiting lists, and more. They spend les, they have a lower quality. The US leads many of these supposed "better countries" in things like cancer survival rates, preventive care, and thenological advancements.

Paul Ryan, to my surprise, is one of the most intelligent and well rounded...

[regelemihai]

...politicians we have today. Krugman is ignorant even of the most basic level which is embrassing since he's a a nobel peace prize laureate while Ryan is just a representative in congress.

[genYprogressive]

@regelemihai In 2000 The WHO ranked the US 37th. Since then countrys like New Zeland have created mixed models of health care and moved ahead of the US.

Also the cancer survival rate argument is not legit because it is comparing a selected few that actually get treatment in the US with countrys where everybody gets treatment. I grew up in the UK and the NHS treats everybody while in the US 63 thousand die each year because insurance companys will not cover them.

[regelemihai]

The WHO is not an objective data. They factor in distribution as a measure of quality rather than quality. Plus they take into account things like life expectancy which has nothing to do with healthcare to begin with.

Cancer survival rates are larger because people get diagnosed earlier(as opposed to waiting luines) and get better preventive care. I dunno who those "selected few" are because, for example, colorectal cancer rates in Canada--where UNH exists-- 41% of cases lead to death...

[regelemihai]

...while in the US 34%.--that is also considering with have double the population Cnada has. Being covered by the government universally doesn't mean better care. It's one thing to have coverage and another to have access. Enough stay on waiting lists and die in the process so--I dunno.

[genYprogressive]

@regelemihai Why is it that Ryans Roadmap has only 13 co-sponsors? Because he it not serious. The Roadmap is a political stage prop that was never ment to be voted on.

Read what it actually does. Paul Krugman was right.

[regelemihai]

Political stage prop? What exactly was Obama healthcare proposal? The Roadmap is by far the most reasonable one proposed so far in congress. He has no one to work with bnecause all are braindead politicians, that's nothing new.

[regelemihai]

*less

*technological

[79barkingspider]

@regelemihai Say what? "Preventative care?" Uninsured and underinsured people do nothing in the area of preventative care. Yes the US does well in cancer survival rates. Why? Because there's MONEY in cancer, but there's no money in infant mortality. The US ranks just below Cuba in infant mortality and barely ahead of such bellwether countries as Croatia and Lithuania. Rich people get what rich people expect in this country. Everyone else gets horseshit in medical care.

[regelemihai]

@79barkingspider

Among those "everyone" are many cancer patients who would say otherwise. Besides having better rsults for cancer survival rates, waiting time is shorter, chronic diseases are treated better, there is a much better access for preventive care, as I already mentioned. It's unwise to just handwave all of this casually. A lot of the horseshit many people go through is also because of government involvment-- I don't dispute that.

[79barkingspider]

@regelemihai I guess I'll have to wait to hear from all the cancer patients (I was one of them). I'll just give you one citation on diabetes: "In the US, people who had insurance were twice as likely to be diagnosed and effectively treated for diabetes as those who did not have insurance." (Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation 2011) Let's see, "people who had insurance" = rich people (or "job creators" as the right whimsically calls them. Respond with some data or give it up.

[regelemihai]

@79barkingspider

Yes, those who have insurence will genrally receive better care than those who don't--go figure. I'm not rich; I'm barely middle class and I can afford medical coverage.

You want data, okay. American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women--"Recent cancer survival in Europe", Lancet Oncology, 2007. the survival rate among Americans for bladder cancer is 15 percentage points higher...

[regelemihai]

...than the European average; for breast cancer, it is 14 percentage points higher-- "Cancer Facts & Figures 2007," American Cancer Society.

This is just a sample. Fact is, both of us can use stats to support our contentions, but this ridiculous nonsense about how the US system is one of the worst in the world(demonstrably false) is a tad annoying.

I do hope you survived your cancer and that you're healthy again.

[79barkingspider]

@regelemihai Man, you just won't quit. My quote doesn't say "generally receive better care," it says insured people are TWICE as likely to be diagnosed and treated." Don't try to hide a camel under a handful of straw. I'm really happy you can afford insurance. I can too, and that's one reason I want to see EVERYONE have it. Finally, I granted in my first post that cancer is the star in the US and why it shines. OK, I always forget that the US is the best at everything. Get a clue.

[79barkingspider]

@79barkingspider ...And I never said the US was the "worst". Why do you keep attacking straw men? As I admitted, I just have to fold my cards and accept everything Paul Ryan says: The US is ggggggreat. Oh wait a minuted, that was Tony the Tiger. They both sound the same to me.

[genYprogressive]

Paul Ryan is admitting that for-profit insurance has been a complete failure because it has to not cover people to survive. The joke is on him.

[debz12180]

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa who the hell is Rangel talking about, he doesnt pay any taxes of his own and now in hot water for going to the carribean on tax payers expense time to kick these bums out, left dems only want to destroy our great country

[debz12180]

paul ryan for president 2012 very conservative principles, him and ron paul either one for pres, and v.p. this is what we need in our country no more liberals who want to spend, spend,.spend.

[jihadsoup]

2012 is not realistic. 2016 is. I also believe he voted in favor of the stimulus package? This could be very damaging to his campaign.

[xXxDANMANxXx]

@debz12180 Strongly agree, can't agree more.

"Ron Paul Ryan" 2012

[Cre8tvMG]

Rangel sounds like Jabba the Hut. :-) I don't think he's been smoking stogies, I think he's been gargling with them.

[colehankins]

we are not the wealthiest country in the world

[debz12180]

@colehankins we used to be but the liberals made sure of that and hispanic groups like la raza now going to the white house to allow more!! illegals in this country we dont stand a chance plus this govt, has h-1 b forieng work visa ppl. in here as well americans stand no chance, china is now far more wealthier then usa, were in debt with china, and yet obama admin, still spends printing money from machine that creates more debt.

[loulairusa]

Healthcare - We are the wealthiest nation in the world and we don't take care of our own.

Dont spend trillions of dollars in Wars!

[sreynauch]

Before we are the wealthiest nation in the world now we are known to be the over spending country. America owns china a large amount of dollars why because of our president earmarks spending.

[angloempire]

you guys became the wealthiest nation because of self reliance and small government, not because of socialist policies. you guys have been downhill since the 60's

[debz12180]

@angloempire well in this years elction we will chanbge all that, and obama will only see a 1 term pres, it is because the left progressives seeped into this govt, what we need to do is not vote these types in govt, stand firm on conservative values, this is why alot of european socialist countries want to come here to live and work cause of free-market interprises, we need to bring conservative princiles back into usa, obama wants to destroy it,

[angloempire]

you guys need to fix the republican party as well. bush wasnt a conservative, neither was McCain and his was the candidate.

[bodiegroup]

the simple question to ask canadians is, would you be willing to trade your healthcare system for US system? more than 9 out of 10 wouldn't. the problem with basing opinion on seeing a few canadians come her for treatment is that it is not representative of all canadians. A real simple clue about how they feel is that they voted the person who developed their healthcare system 'person of the century'.

[jazzproducer]

My brother had a heart attack followed by a stroke. He was airlifted to Toronto, had around the clock care including 1 nurse assigned specifically to him. He had 2 brain surgeries followed by the installation of a pacemaker. Then he had months of rehabilitation. Total cost zero!

Is the Canadian system perfect? Of course not and I'm sure you can find instances when people didn't get the care they were hoping for, or had to go on a waiting list.

But no one who needs care gets turned away!

[hump717]

So who paid the bill?

[ajlacq11]

No person is turned away here. If your borther was 20 years older...good luck with getting that same care.

[jazzproducer]

My brother was 73!

[SamFreedom]

I'm glad your brother got treatment and hope that he's doing well, but that doesn't surprise me, either. The issue has never been about critical care but about instances where, for example, a person needs to see a specialist for something that is not immediately life-threatening but definitely life-threatening, eg certain cancers, etc.

[jazzproducer]

Of course you can find instances where people didn't get timely treatment. But I've been in the country for more than 25 years and neither myself my family or my friends have ever run into a major problem.

Can you say that in America? Instead of spending all this debate criticizing other countries health care and the merits of government run insurance wouldn't it be better to try and come up with a way to fix the system?

[SamFreedom]

Wait, you just presented a very flawed premise... you are comparing the experience of you and your family with the whole system in America. It would be more accurate to compare the whole of Canada's system with the whole of America. And, while we're at it, why don't you pay attention to what I said regarding SPECIALIST care vs critical care.

By the tone of your reply, I'm guessing the family to which you refer has had the good fortune of not experiencing a brain cancer.

[JohnGaltSpeaking1981]

As Stossel reported... Your pets can get better / quicker treatment in Canada than Canadians themselves. Why? Because the Vet system is privately run and healthcare is poorly run by the central Gov't without competition.

[masotta]

The 10th A repeats the idea that the rights not specifically granted to the Gvt belong to the people.

From my point of view the 10th A means what the supreme court interprets in every specific caseand comparing US vs. Butler with this Health reform is just ridiculous...

I think even when we might see things in different ways an educated debate is always the way to go. Thank you too.

[masotta]

Yes that's true I see the line of Canadians coming to get 1st class medical treatment in the States. My God the things I have to read.

[masotta]

I answered your question MANY TIMES but you just cannot get it.

An yes the 10th A. is somehow objected for not adding anything new to the constitution. You can research about it.

[masotta]

In monarchy times the power flow was: GOD->KING, After 1789 (French Revolution) things were like GOD->PEOPLE->REPRESENTATIVES.

The 10th amendment pretends to be about that saying that the rights not expressly granted to the government belong to the people, but this is not anything new to the constitution. Summarizing: the Congress is the authority to do more or less anything that is not explicitly prohibited by the constitution and its Amendments.

[masotta]

My friend, do you know who set the prices on a supermarket chain? The supplier?? No; the Supermarket.

Of course I know that health practitioners in this country are out of their minds but Health Insurance companies LOVE to have practitioners charging HUGE amount of money because that makes their business bigger.

[masotta]

Thats why we need the Gvt option, and practitioners know it!, they are desperate; with the gvt option they will be forced to reduce their prices.

My last MRI was 2000 bucks, who cares if I have insurance? that amount is just an insult even covered by the insurance.

[masotta]

Your sophism relies on the false idea that the health industry is going to collapse. Practitioners that today work for Aetna.. etc will still work for them PLUS to the Gvt option. In the case that some Insurance company decides to go out of business because they make more money insuring cars instead, their workers are going to be recycled; you mention the lost jobs but you forget the new jobs that the gvt option requires where do you think those new workers are going to come from?

[smallaxe100]

You're right. Insurance is taking a lot of blame for an industry that has run roughshod over the free markets. Imagine if a colonoscopy was only $400 instead of $4,000. Or open heart surgery was $3,000 instead of $60,000. Time for the health care industry to knuckle under just like everyone else. Would the health care industry collapse then? Possibly, but that might be just the adjustment it needs to compete in an open free market without a middleman.

[masotta]

NO SIR, if they go out of business is going to be for their lack of interest on a "business" that is not so attractive now that the FIESTA is over...

Unemployment won't be higher; that's another sophism of yours....

[masotta]

OK; the constitution DOES NOT SAY that the government cannot run a health insurance service. Period. Rights reseved to the states or the people (10th Amendment) have nothing to do here...

[masotta]

This is a sophism. Definition comes from Latin de finire meaning to set boundaries. Boundaries can be defined referring what they contain or what they exclude.

[masotta]

1) because of the 10th Amendment the rights not granted to the national government are reserved to the states or the people, but they can (congress approval) assign those rights to the government.... please give me somewthing better.

2) It was an irony my friend, if the private companies go out of business because of the lack of interesting profits on the sector the unemployed people can always get a new job with the government initiative. Got it now???

[01Rapscallion]

Mosotta, have you ever heard of a Supreme Court case called US v. Butler? That has been how the federal government has been getting away with many of these socialistic intrusions on the citizenry. Even using that jurisprudence, how is it Constitutional to have the federal government take over this massive sector of the economy, and directly interfere with private markets?

[masotta]

it is very easy to understand. The American health system is robbing us. There are uninsured Americans losing houses to pay medical bills. Can you imagine the Supreme Court ruling against peoples health for protecting health corporations?? Is Sotomayor going to vote against this? Who else?

[01Rapscallion]

How is the American health system robbing us?

And, I asked how it is Constitutional to have the federal government take over a private sector of the economy? I am sure there are enough judicial activists on the Supreme Court to subvert the Constitution, but you failed to address the idea that it goes against the Constitution to have this kind of federal intrusion in the first place, judicial fiat or not.

[masotta]

how is robbing us?? Very easy; try compare the medical cost in America and in the rest of the G-8 countries.

About how this bill is constitutional? I already said it; because of the reasons I gave above its very difficult to imagine an scenario with the supreme court ruling against this bill.

[masotta]

You guys have a lot of examples,ie the ban on tobacco, Why those poor corporations are suffering such a huge damage; is that constitutional??? Yes of course; they are KILLING PEOPLE.

Our Health system is something similar it is terrible expensive and is not affordable for all the Americans. The bill WILL BE Constitutional....

[masotta]

1) Show me where in the Constitution it isn't the government's job..

2) in the hypothetical case where the privates are not good enough to compete with the government they can work for it.

The health insurance "fiesta" is almost over!

[masotta]

1) Yes they are a business that sells the difference between life and death to people. In times of dubious commercial ethics we cannot submit this huge matter just to the law of supply and demand

2)subsidize the cost of health care?? You mean giving taxpayers money to the very same private corporations that are ROBING us today? No way.

[masotta]

The people that really work for the health industry are not going to be unemployed, the public system will need them, off course probably the ones that work today for the Denial depts or Marketing divisions better start looking for new horizons.

I think you guys have to see the new bigger picture the sooner the better

[masotta]

I think the insurers are AFRAID to compete with the government. They are AFRAID to tell their stakeholders that the outrageous profits they were used to get are not going to be achievable any more.

Market rule: Competition is always good... only the good ones will survive.

[eksdem]

Ryan is on Fox and Friends RIGHT NOW

[quest8899]

Paul Ryan doesnt know what hes talking about, he only cares about helping the insurance companies and big businesses.

[SamFreedom]

I could say the same thing about your mother but if I want it to stick, I'll need to also have some facts. No offense to your mother...

[quest8899]

you're mother is dead

[SamFreedom]

Learn the difference between "your" and "you're''

[quest8899]

Sure your mother is dead, haha you made me say it again.

[SpecialFester]

What exactly from this video are you disputing? That every employer across the country will drop their insurance and dump their employees on the gov't plan? That Medicare/Medicaid underpay providers?

Seriously, you have a computer so you shouldn't be one of these destitute 11 Mil deadbeats and hoodrats who would benefit by having everyone have terrible health care than having almost everyone have great health care and 11 Mil have none.

[masotta]

My friend, the only sad true is that Americans have a terrible bad health system. if the price to pay for fixing that is getting some Private Insurers out of business I think it isn't much. They had plenty of time for improving things (preexisting conditions, coopayments, denials etc etc etc) and they did absolutely nothing. I do not feel sorry for them. They just made of our families health their abusive business.

[HiramBinghamIII]

Just average quality? According to who?? The W.H.O. ranking of healthcare systems was exposed as a policy driven fraud by the CATO Institute. Additionally, those who have the private healthcare coverage in the U.S. have the highest life expectancy in the entire world (the average is brought down by those who are under the govt. managed Medicaid program). The U.S. also leads the world in healthcare technology innovateion which is attributable to the PRIVATE system.

[masotta]

Have you ever traveled the world? have you ever seen the Canadian system, the EU system?

Today the US system is the "most expensive" in the world and the overall quality is just average.

[TheLegalImmigrant05]

Excellent points - agree 100%

[masotta]

you guys are shameless...

Mr Ryan saying how "unfair" it would be for the private health companies to "compete" with the government... well I think it is much more "unfair" how these private companies are robbing the American people when they provide the more expensive health system in the world with just average quality...

[jeffwax1]

You don't get it. Nobody has a problem with competition. The problem is that government doesn't play by the same rules - they can offer worse service at higher costs and they'll still drive the private companies out of the market.

Ironically, people will have LESS competition and choice, since for the majority of Americans the only "choice" will be the public plan. This is what Rep. Ryan is talking about.

[masotta]

we cannot apply just the market rules on an issue like health, even worse when the companies that participate in that business are proved to be "fiercely" money driven...

Why you guys are not complaining about the banks and huge companies not playing by the rules when the government (taxpayers) comes to rescue them avoiding a cataclysmic collapse? ...

If the government is not efficient running the health business let outsource with Canadian companies.... would you guys like that better????

[justonefirefly1]

@jeffwax1 Full of shit - cut the damn fucking ceo's and stop paying for the asshole republicunts to have tax paid for insurance like closet queen ryan - fuck him Guess what ? He kisses up to corporations so much it mades me sick - piece of shit terrorist.

[poverman1791]

Paul Ryan - You are FANTASTIC!

[cjigga21]

Good job Paul Ryan. Please do run for President!

[Wasdie]

Logic along the lines of a free market. You just don't find this anymore. I haven't heard talk like this for the past 9 years.

[masotta]

Are you talking about "free market" when big taxpayer money is used for avoiding an economic disaster only made by free market abusers?? How can you??

Communism in Russia fell down by its own mistakes I hope we have enough time for fixing our injured Capitalism; Paul Ryan is not an option for that job.

[cool70200]

gogo, Paul Ryan

gonna run for president soon?

[bittergunowner12]

I hope so... he might run for Governor or Senate in Wisconsin though.