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@taosimplicity It took a long time, but I finally read your reply. Haydn is always fun, sometimes interesting, and certainly refreshing after say a heavy dose of Bach's Art of Fugue or Beethoven's 5th. That said he only began the form of what we know as the string quartet, and it was those after him, like Beethoven or Ravel who perfected it. Certainly in this movement we have thematic substance that goes beyond what Haydn ever attempted.
This is one of the most beautifull of Beethovens string Quartets played of the virtuos Alban Barg quartets. You never get tired of listening to this music. BW.
that ending! this is fucking unbelievable!! you can see all their energy going into their instruments- no waste, perfectly oiled, economic beings in complete unity.... bewtiful
I jsut played this whole Opus at a chamber music party tonight, and I''m sooo tierd after the 4th movement. even the cello part is exhilarating after like 40 minutes of sight-reading :)
It's ironic on this video to be debating whether Beethoven was better - the two greatest string quartet writers. Beethoven in his very first quartet writes a movement here that is as fine as any movement Haydn ever wrote. Haydn was a wonderful composer, but his great works are limited to a certain instrumentation - most of which Beethoven excelled at. Beethoven's piano sonatas, violin sonatas, and piano trios and many other works make it no comparison. However, Haydn solo brass works.
taosimplicity, I think you are right. I simply didn't remember how great was Missa Solemnis. Anyway, although a composer of genius, Haydn just cannot be comparade with thatgreat colossus, Beethoven.
Excellent interpretation. Nothing like this was written before Beethoven's composition.
As to that guy who worships the Haydn string quartets...please! Any respected music critic will simply laugh at your reasons. You are simply not ready for the late string quartets.
Hadyn's Masses superior to Beethoven's Missa Solemnis? Okay...
more emotional than passionate,you almost can look in the inner beethoven, authentic, the alban berg quartett the best for beethoven's,long live ludwig van
I have discovered a new found appreciation of Beethoven's SQs. Beethoven was all about taking established norms and developing something ground breaking and uncharted. Bravo.....to Alban Berg. They have made B's SQ's their own.....
IE: instead of saying 'Haydn is the better composer', you have to say WHY! If you don't know WHY a composer is good, then you have no business stating that other than expressing your likes and dislikes. Explain what it is that Haydn did better,compositionally, than Beethoven, or vice versa. If you think that how music sounds determines how "good" it is, you are SERIOUSLYmistaken. If this is your belief, go to the nearest college and ask a music professor (especially a composition professor)
I have made such comments. My comment about Haydn's Op. 9, 17, 54, 55 & 64 Violin Scores, more specifically, the note sequences are exceptional. It looks like I have dissect each bar of sheet music to explain it to someone. I am calling a truce, B's SQ's are well scored as well. But when someone comments that Beethoven was/is the best or greatest SQ composer. I believe those individuals need to educate themselves with other composer's compositions before making such comments.
Well, not to argue a moot point, but most of your comments have fairly subjective with no real data to back them up. Both composers were very important composers, but for VERY different reasons. It's pointless to say that Haydn wrote better string quartets than Beethoven or likewise. Here's a couple of valid questions for everyone: 1-Why was Beethoven so important to the history of western art-music? 2-Why was Haydn?
I think that it is hysterical that you guys are arguing to the death over which composer ("B or H") is the better composer! First of all, everything that has been said is as subjective as saying that blue is a better color than green! If you're going to argue about music (or anything for that matter), you ought to make objective arguments...
Since your comment is a no more than a personal attack than a constructive comparison between Haydn and Beethoven String Quartets, which is the issue here, it is evident whose mind is intellectually immature.
Everyone has different tastes for different composers. GeniusHaydn was only expressing is opinion but you know what they say: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
I personally like Beethoven and how you can feel such a direct contrast of light and dark in his pieces. =]
I wonder how many intellectuals, philosophers, artists, inventors, engineers, scientists, philanthropists, devotees were inspired by just listening to these quartets.
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How well do you know classical music? Franz Joseph Haydn wrote the best String Quartets. Besides being the inventor of the S.Q. and his prolific output 68 S.Q.'s, he wrote the most beautiful pieces ever. Look at Op. 20, 33, 50, 54, 55, 64, 74, 76, 77 and list goes on and on. Sorry, Beethoven is good but overrated.
Beethoven is the best composer, you cannot compare the Haydn quartetts, they are entertaining music, he composed music in order to entertain no more, instead the quartets of Beethoven, expressing deep feelings and very sumblimes, Have you listen the 14th streichquartett in c-sharp minor, opus 131?, or the 13th, 15th, 9th or the Grosse Fuge op. 133?. let me remember you that this movement was made thinking in Romeo and Julieth.
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Are you kidding...I bet you don't have any Haydn's SQ's. I have the complete Beethoven SQ's by the Alban Berg SQ and the complete Haydn SQ's by the Aeolian SQ. In comparison, Haydn's SQ's display more profound moments. Also, Haydn was a superior orchestrator, more inventive, and yes more entertaining. Isn't that the reason why we listen to them - TO BE ENTERTAINED. Let me remind you...Beethoven was a mere pupil of Haydn. Without Haydn there would be no Beethoven or Mozart for that fact...
first, you cannot say that Haydn was a "superior orchestrator"; you cannot compare the 104 symphonies with the Beethoven's 9, I have listen the Haydn Streichquartetten and I can say the Beethoven is Superior. Do you want to compare the Haydn's 76th Streichquartett with the Beethoven's 14th Streichquartett?. Yeah, Beethoven was his pupil, but The student surpassed his teacher.
There has been no objective evidence provided to support your argument about Beethoven being the better string quartet composer. Your comments revolve around, "you can't do this or that."....or one is better than the other. Your conclusion is based on subjective preference, nothing more.
Haydn wrote exceptional violin parts and orchestrated the quartet in a cohesive harmonic melody resulting in great listener appeal. The Op. 9 & 17-1st violin parts were written for an exceptional Esterhazy violinist and concert master, Luigi Tomasini. Additionally, Haydn wrote Op. 54, 55, & 64 for Johann Tost, another virtuoso 1st violinist. These SQs contain many technical difficulties. Op. 20, 33, 50, 74, 76 & 77 also contain excellent first violin scores. Look at the Violin Scores.
Haydn filled them with great listener appeal, feeling, and deep beautiful emotion, the element which is lacking in Beethoven's mid to late string quartets. Beethoven's mid to late SQs were a quest to create a Suite rather than a SQ. With a lack of vibrato, melody and harmony, it's boring and unemotional and loses its appeal. Op. 18 along with Op. 59, are excellent pieces, but his SQs on the whole, do not possess the creative consistency, technical expertise and overall appeal of Haydn.
Have you ever wondered why Beethoven, who lived to age 57, wrote only 9 symphonies and 17 string quartets? Beethoven received a limited education (which plagued his latter life) which resulted in slow composition production. Also, he was clumsy, arrogant and rough which was a result of a poor upbringing. His mother died while he was in Vienna and his father was a miserable drunkard.
Speaking of you, I noticed you're a teenager from Columbia (a Third World Country) whose favorite videos are of Beethoven exclusively. You possess a narrow view of classical music and one day you will figure it out. I have no more time for discussions with someone who is less than half my age and intellect.
wheres the 3rd movement?
urfur 1 month ago
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Wonderful. Well I compose my first string quartet. See in my chanel:
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tiago3m 3 months ago
Completamente embelesado...
socarraz 4 months ago
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I find this easy to masturbate to.
nelsyeung 4 months ago
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ScottKeith7025 5 months ago
As usual, the cellist is the best looking in the group.
Sahara101010 7 months ago
@Sahara101010 Hahahaha...funny remark (but you're right here)
benedetti 4 months ago
nice violin playing gives me a boner.
98jsbx98 7 months ago
@98jsbx98 you're not alone
oliolion 5 months ago
fantastic
chrisfuller1 1 year ago
@taosimplicity It took a long time, but I finally read your reply. Haydn is always fun, sometimes interesting, and certainly refreshing after say a heavy dose of Bach's Art of Fugue or Beethoven's 5th. That said he only began the form of what we know as the string quartet, and it was those after him, like Beethoven or Ravel who perfected it. Certainly in this movement we have thematic substance that goes beyond what Haydn ever attempted.
alvinkuo777 1 year ago
This is one of the most beautifull of Beethovens string Quartets played of the virtuos Alban Barg quartets. You never get tired of listening to this music. BW.
anjestidily 1 year ago
there are some phenomenal beards in this quartet
jfoges4 1 year ago 25
@ 7:30 :DDD
KokiriMentat 1 year ago
that ending! this is fucking unbelievable!! you can see all their energy going into their instruments- no waste, perfectly oiled, economic beings in complete unity.... bewtiful
gggggggod 1 year ago
Fantastic playing! The contrast achieved here is simply amazing.
Caramellatta 1 year ago
I jsut played this whole Opus at a chamber music party tonight, and I''m sooo tierd after the 4th movement. even the cello part is exhilarating after like 40 minutes of sight-reading :)
meanman3000 1 year ago
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walknorun 2 years ago
It's ironic on this video to be debating whether Beethoven was better - the two greatest string quartet writers. Beethoven in his very first quartet writes a movement here that is as fine as any movement Haydn ever wrote. Haydn was a wonderful composer, but his great works are limited to a certain instrumentation - most of which Beethoven excelled at. Beethoven's piano sonatas, violin sonatas, and piano trios and many other works make it no comparison. However, Haydn solo brass works.
PIanoReview 2 years ago 2
taosimplicity, I think you are right. I simply didn't remember how great was Missa Solemnis. Anyway, although a composer of genius, Haydn just cannot be comparade with thatgreat colossus, Beethoven.
Horushu 2 years ago
Excellent interpretation. Nothing like this was written before Beethoven's composition.
As to that guy who worships the Haydn string quartets...please! Any respected music critic will simply laugh at your reasons. You are simply not ready for the late string quartets.
Hadyn's Masses superior to Beethoven's Missa Solemnis? Okay...
alvinkuo777 2 years ago 2
beautiful
xxmbopxx 2 years ago
muy bien interpretado deben ser gente famosa, la musica habla por ellos
MarcoCortex 2 years ago
You know, if every movement of every one of Beethoven's 16 string quartets were people in a room; this one would be me.
physicalgenius 2 years ago
Beethoven, compared with Haydn (who is a great genius) is a God!! But let me concede this: I consider Haydn's Masses superior than any of Beethoven.
Horushu 2 years ago
personal preference
GLXLR 2 years ago
Haydn is great, but you must listen the Missa Solemnis carefully. I have never heard such touching grand music.
Adamalgorithm 2 years ago
Thanks to you I am listening to it now.:) Conducted by John E. Gardner, from Archiv.
Horushu 2 years ago
The more I listen to this, the more I realize how insane Beethoven was.
mdscinto 2 years ago 20
@mdscinto
If you want insane, listen to some Xenakis. ;)
Emanresu56 1 year ago
It's amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
nogita1000 3 years ago
more emotional than passionate,you almost can look in the inner beethoven, authentic, the alban berg quartett the best for beethoven's,long live ludwig van
beethomozart 3 years ago
I have discovered a new found appreciation of Beethoven's SQs. Beethoven was all about taking established norms and developing something ground breaking and uncharted. Bravo.....to Alban Berg. They have made B's SQ's their own.....
GeniusHaydn 3 years ago
I'd love to know what members of this quartet think of this.
DavidMJordan 4 years ago
IE: instead of saying 'Haydn is the better composer', you have to say WHY! If you don't know WHY a composer is good, then you have no business stating that other than expressing your likes and dislikes. Explain what it is that Haydn did better,compositionally, than Beethoven, or vice versa. If you think that how music sounds determines how "good" it is, you are SERIOUSLYmistaken. If this is your belief, go to the nearest college and ask a music professor (especially a composition professor)
iTube456 4 years ago
I have made such comments. My comment about Haydn's Op. 9, 17, 54, 55 & 64 Violin Scores, more specifically, the note sequences are exceptional. It looks like I have dissect each bar of sheet music to explain it to someone. I am calling a truce, B's SQ's are well scored as well. But when someone comments that Beethoven was/is the best or greatest SQ composer. I believe those individuals need to educate themselves with other composer's compositions before making such comments.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
Well, not to argue a moot point, but most of your comments have fairly subjective with no real data to back them up. Both composers were very important composers, but for VERY different reasons. It's pointless to say that Haydn wrote better string quartets than Beethoven or likewise. Here's a couple of valid questions for everyone: 1-Why was Beethoven so important to the history of western art-music? 2-Why was Haydn?
iTube456 4 years ago
I think that it is hysterical that you guys are arguing to the death over which composer ("B or H") is the better composer! First of all, everything that has been said is as subjective as saying that blue is a better color than green! If you're going to argue about music (or anything for that matter), you ought to make objective arguments...
iTube456 4 years ago
Yes, it is quite funny. Why not just agree that both are great and be done with it?
mtguy8787 3 years ago
Since your comment is a no more than a personal attack than a constructive comparison between Haydn and Beethoven String Quartets, which is the issue here, it is evident whose mind is intellectually immature.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
Everyone has different tastes for different composers. GeniusHaydn was only expressing is opinion but you know what they say: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
I personally like Beethoven and how you can feel such a direct contrast of light and dark in his pieces. =]
xtinabobina15 4 years ago
I wonder how many intellectuals, philosophers, artists, inventors, engineers, scientists, philanthropists, devotees were inspired by just listening to these quartets.
ariakokoschka 4 years ago 2
Should have gone to bed but stayed up to listen to and watch this brief portion of genius.
Thank you for posting.
At the one end, human beings blowing each other up, at the other, human beings building glorious sound-castles in the air!
Jokesniff 4 years ago
I don't know of a piece of music that digs deeper into the emotions.
DavidMJordan 4 years ago
for me the best quartet ever!
silviacello 4 years ago
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How well do you know classical music? Franz Joseph Haydn wrote the best String Quartets. Besides being the inventor of the S.Q. and his prolific output 68 S.Q.'s, he wrote the most beautiful pieces ever. Look at Op. 20, 33, 50, 54, 55, 64, 74, 76, 77 and list goes on and on. Sorry, Beethoven is good but overrated.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
Beethoven is the best composer, you cannot compare the Haydn quartetts, they are entertaining music, he composed music in order to entertain no more, instead the quartets of Beethoven, expressing deep feelings and very sumblimes, Have you listen the 14th streichquartett in c-sharp minor, opus 131?, or the 13th, 15th, 9th or the Grosse Fuge op. 133?. let me remember you that this movement was made thinking in Romeo and Julieth.
yuperg 4 years ago 2
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Are you kidding...I bet you don't have any Haydn's SQ's. I have the complete Beethoven SQ's by the Alban Berg SQ and the complete Haydn SQ's by the Aeolian SQ. In comparison, Haydn's SQ's display more profound moments. Also, Haydn was a superior orchestrator, more inventive, and yes more entertaining. Isn't that the reason why we listen to them - TO BE ENTERTAINED. Let me remind you...Beethoven was a mere pupil of Haydn. Without Haydn there would be no Beethoven or Mozart for that fact...
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
what about beethoven's and mozart's mum and dad?
johnsimmonds16 4 years ago
first, you cannot say that Haydn was a "superior orchestrator"; you cannot compare the 104 symphonies with the Beethoven's 9, I have listen the Haydn Streichquartetten and I can say the Beethoven is Superior. Do you want to compare the Haydn's 76th Streichquartett with the Beethoven's 14th Streichquartett?. Yeah, Beethoven was his pupil, but The student surpassed his teacher.
yuperg 4 years ago 2
There has been no objective evidence provided to support your argument about Beethoven being the better string quartet composer. Your comments revolve around, "you can't do this or that."....or one is better than the other. Your conclusion is based on subjective preference, nothing more.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
Haydn wrote exceptional violin parts and orchestrated the quartet in a cohesive harmonic melody resulting in great listener appeal. The Op. 9 & 17-1st violin parts were written for an exceptional Esterhazy violinist and concert master, Luigi Tomasini. Additionally, Haydn wrote Op. 54, 55, & 64 for Johann Tost, another virtuoso 1st violinist. These SQs contain many technical difficulties. Op. 20, 33, 50, 74, 76 & 77 also contain excellent first violin scores. Look at the Violin Scores.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
Haydn filled them with great listener appeal, feeling, and deep beautiful emotion, the element which is lacking in Beethoven's mid to late string quartets. Beethoven's mid to late SQs were a quest to create a Suite rather than a SQ. With a lack of vibrato, melody and harmony, it's boring and unemotional and loses its appeal. Op. 18 along with Op. 59, are excellent pieces, but his SQs on the whole, do not possess the creative consistency, technical expertise and overall appeal of Haydn.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
Have you ever wondered why Beethoven, who lived to age 57, wrote only 9 symphonies and 17 string quartets? Beethoven received a limited education (which plagued his latter life) which resulted in slow composition production. Also, he was clumsy, arrogant and rough which was a result of a poor upbringing. His mother died while he was in Vienna and his father was a miserable drunkard.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
Speaking of you, I noticed you're a teenager from Columbia (a Third World Country) whose favorite videos are of Beethoven exclusively. You possess a narrow view of classical music and one day you will figure it out. I have no more time for discussions with someone who is less than half my age and intellect.
GeniusHaydn 4 years ago
still not reached my duodenum yet. anyone managed it?
johnsimmonds16 4 years ago
God I love these quartets.
saradamsmc 4 years ago
Hey Plemax, maybe you are right... the phrasing is more relaxed in their EMI recording
jmgasto 4 years ago
A bit fast to my taste.
plemax 4 years ago