@j919or Jephthah (Jeff? Please!) made a promise that whatever came from his door would be a burnt offering. Read Judges 11:30-31 (KJV), paying particular attention to verse 31: . . . and I will offer it up FOR A BURNT OFFERING." Verse 39 says Jephthah "did with her ACCORDING TO HIS VOW." (emphasis mine). Apologists like you ignore what it says for what you would like it to say. The lament of his daughter and her friends was that she would die a virgin. Your post isn't spam. It's just wrong.
...and that is why christians pretend to eat the body of jesus and drink his blood, not to commemorate the last supper, to commemorate what the disciples did with his body!
Jesus WAS a human sacrifice. The passover feast required the sacrifice of a lamb, which is then cooked and eaten, with all remains burnt in a fire. Jesus is clearly denoted to be the 'lamb of god that takes away the sins of the world', a human to replace the animal in the passover sacrifice. If you want to know what happened to the body of jesus, just reflect on what they normally did with the passover lamb? THAT is why jesus has not been seen in the last 2000 years.
@MrHobiecat Interesting thought. You know, of course, that Catholics receiving the eucharist are supposed to believe that they are consuming the actual, not just the spiritual, body and blood of the Christ. That 2 billion Catholics do this at least once a week makes you wonder how big that Jesus guy must have been. It's sort of like the relics of the "true cross" found in churches all over the world. The cross would have to have been as big as a modern city to have so many pieces!
@Largo64 I often ask christians, when you are pretending to drink the blood of jesus, and pretend to eat his flesh, exactly which body part do you visualize yourself eating? Do you eat the same body part every week, or do you mix it up? I NEVER get an answer. Never!
i've heard that when the christians came to (what is now) mexico, indigenious people were still doing human sacrifice to insure good harvests, that kind of thing. the christians insisted it was wrong to do, but the native people didnt understand why, since the central story they believed was a human sacrifice story. apparently it was good once, then bad after that.
Idiots. "And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man." She became a nun, a sacrifice "as a burnt offering" would be. She wasn't burned alive nitwits.
@cusanusnicolas Before you call people idiots and nitwits, read the entire chapter of Judges 11. If you did that and think that his daughter became anything but ashes, YOU are the idiot!
what i dont get is why jephath was so grief stricken when his daughter came out...who in teh hell did you expect to come greet you? either you only child or your wife. unless he had a dog that he didnt mind bbq'n.......even still, who would take that risk? the story is all over dumb.
@kopyob I haven't heard that objection before. Why do they think a prophet would write something that exposed a disgust with anything that god did? Unbelievers usually jump on something like Judges 11. But I would think a believer would have left it out if possible.
christians & jews don't blame god because they believe he is flawless. They, and the author of this story, instead criticize jepthah, if i'm not mistaken.
I'm sorry if i missed it, but is there any explicit evidence that God wanted this sacrifice?
God granting him victory in war, doesn't neccessarily mean he also wanted jepthah to follow thru with his end of the bargain.
@kopyob Read the chapter again. Jephthah vowed that in return for victory he would sacrifice whatever came first from his door. Do you think the omniscient didn't know what that would be? He got what he asked for and owed payment. When Jephthah saw that his daughter was first to greet him he didn't ask god to "forgive" the debt. And god accepted the sacrifice. There is abundant evidence in the OT that god deals harshly with those who break covenants with him. What more evidence do you need?
@Largo64 "Jephthah vowed that in return for victory he would sacrifice whatever came first from his door"
The key words are "Jepthah vowed", not god. Jepthah created this deal in his own head. What god did could have been for the benefit of one of the other thousands of others involved in this war, but Jep mistakenly interpreted victory as divine approval of his own vow.
@kopyob You forget that this was when people supposedly conversed with god. They had a deal. God carried out his part, and Jephtha was expected to carry out his. Why no angel this time to stay his hand, as with Abraham? If god hadn't wanted the sacrifice he had two months in which to make that known. You apologists want people to believe the bible, but you don't believe it yourselves. And what about the "supreme" human sacrifice - Yeshua. You want it both ways.
I'm just trying to prove that neither the believer's nor the unbeliever's interpretation is watertight. There is more than one way to read a story from ancient scripture.
@kopyob No, there is what the story says, and what you want it to say. You are kidding yourself with your "interpretation, but you are not kidding me.
I want to expand on a point lightly made by largo, being that your reading into the story what you want it to be about.
Nowhere in the story is doubt shown on the validity of the agreement between jepthah and god.
Nowhere is disgust at the deal shown
Nowhere did god denounce the vow or stop the sacrifice
The story only tells a story of how a guy prayed to god, got what he wanted, and followed on a deal to the letter because thats what your supposed to do
So Roadwarrior, what is the other possible interpretation? Christians are way over their heads, their ignorance and presumption are beyond the limits of just sitting by and letting them talk, and try to 'convert' the world to their silly wet dream. Jesus was, is and will be a mushroom, and that's all she wrote.
It's a simple story. he offers God a sacrifice in exchange for victory in WAR and that sacrifice turns out to be his only daughter which the God of the bible happily excepts.
BTW one of the points that is missed here is that God is condoning war AND picking sides.
How else can you "interpret" this story other then God will exchange victory in war for the sacrifice of human children?
Agreed! I hate how they'll cherry pick what they like and try to represent the entire bible with a tiny fraction of itself.
For example, I that that if all sermons on how God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah remembered to include a few little details, like Lot offering up his daughters for gang rape or later having incestuous sex with them, it'd have a different impact :p.
The same Lot of 2nd Peter 2:8 who apparently was righteous. Hah! Of all the absurdity! :D
They cherry pick so much. The few times I've debated heavily (and friendly) with Christians always seems to end differently, being that they twist and turn the book to their own definition (otherwise they'd be immoral). I remember one fellow told me I had the wrong Bibles, and his Bible was correct. I gave up shortly after. I believe it's near impossible for pseudo-Christians to be converted (especially a teenager), but rather it requires a new state of mind.
No, this is not a clear case of human sacrifice to God. That is theological suicide. I have made a video demonstrating how flawed this view is - theologically, contextually, and linguistically.
That's ok, Largo64. I have already posted it as a response elsewhere. As for "theological suicide," the fact remains that it does "fly" from a Christian theological perspective. My video is up now, and I suspect that no one will have a credible response to my three points, although much more could be said.
"Theological suicide" is just a term you made up, because, like all apologists, when you can't worm your way out of a problem with the truth a lie will do. You are like a diplomat. Both diplomats and apologists are professional liars. They are good at it, but it doesn't make a word they say the truth.
The book you follow is so "inerrant" that no two people can agree completely on which translation is correct. They read into it what they like and dismiss what disturbs them as "mistranslated."
Largo64 you know nothing of apologetics. The fact of the matter is, guys like you want to pretend that you know ancient languages, history and cultures when it comes to the Bible without studying anything. You like to pretend that passages like Judges 11 only offers one possible interpretation. At least I study issues. All you do is make blanket statements which have no validity either in logic or Biblical accuracy. The truly professional liars are mostly atheists and others like yourself.
You see, I'd have more respect for you, Largo, if you at least admitted that there is another possible understanding of the passage due to linguistic and other issues. Christian scholars and theologians who are honest do this all the time. But when guys like you, who hardly study anything comprehensively, pretend to know that there is only one way to read a passage, that smacks of incredible arrogance and, in my view, stupidity. In my video, I admit the two main views but argue for mine.
I will just have to suffer along without your respect. Woe is me! The Bible, which you claim is inerrant and the very word of God, would not need interpretation, and certainly not apologists, if it were the simple truth. If a god wanted to communicate with people and say what is to be believed, he would have made himself perfectly clear. If there were any book by a god it would not need interpretation. If a god could confound the languages he could also make everyone understand his own words.
The case of Jephthah in the video is from the Hebrew Bible. The story of Abraham being told by God to sacrifice Isaac is also a part of Jewish scripture. I don't know about Islam with regard to human sacrifice. Throughout the Old Testament God demands expiation for sin in the blood of animals. In the New Testament he still requires blood . . . this time from his own son. Why do you think Jesus is referred to as the lamb of God? Christians insist he was both fully God and fully human.
Somebody once tried to defend this by saying that, well, God had said that you couldn't break an oath to him once it's made, so he HAD to accept the sacrifice or it would be going back on his word. Of course, God also said that sacrificing your child is abhorrent to him and not allowed, so there's some kind of conflict here no matter how you look at it.
Either that or he should be considered a suicide.
Jesus had a chance to try and get away, and he stayed to "sacrifice" himself. So either, he is a human sacrifice or he was a suicide (since he allowed himself to be killed).
The real fairytale part is that there was nothing but his daughter that could have come out of that door. There was no one else living there. Religion is a fairytale, practiced as a cult.
It doesn't say whether he had a wife, or a servant or perhaps an animal that might have come out, but most likely it would have been a dreadful loss to him. And with two months to think it over he didn't ask God to relieve him of the vow, nor did God offer to let it go.
Largo64, yeah, sounds just like a badly written fairytale. But believers cant see that because they are in a cult that has brainwashed them into to feeling like they would be worthless without Jesus.
Xtranormal stuff uploads directly between Xtranormal and YouTube. My other stuff has been iMovie untillately, when iMovie is not working well. Now I'm back to YT quick captures.
hmm...if you could somehow get it to imovie i know you can do voiceovers. same with movie maker. i myself am working with a mac, so i know how crappy imovie can sometimes be. hypercams might be of use to you
The story of Jephthah is complete in itself. How is it out of context? He was kicked out of his tribe because his mother was "an harlot." When the tribe needed him they begged him to come back and lead them in battle. He got them to promise to make his leadership of the army permanent if he was successful. To achieve that success he made a bargain with God. He got what he wanted, and kept his end of the bargain. There is the whole context.
Let us not forget all the little Egyptian children who were killed at the end of the plagues (recall bloody water, frogs hopping everywhere, locusts, hail, etc) that were written about in the bible.
It appears that god sure is a twat and is terribly bloodthirsty, too.
A more obvious example is 2Samuel 21, where seven men are sacrificed to prevent famine. Also Numbers 31:25, where a certain number of vanquished enemies are to be sacrificed.
Actually 2 Sam. 21 in the KJV says "...we shall hang them up unto the Lord." The NIV says "Let seven of his male descendants be given tio us to be killed and exposed before the Lord." The New Living Translation says "...we will execute them before the Lord." The seven were killed in revenge, but they were not blood sacrifices, not burnt offerings. In Numbers 31:7 "...and they slew all the (adult) males." Then verse 17 the slaying of all the little males was also commanded. (cont.)
(cont.) In Numbers 31 the"offering" written of was the "heave offering, of which the Lord's tribute was thirty and two persons." These were 32 of the virgins spared back in verse 17, given to the priests as a tithe (heave offering). They also were not blood sacrifices. Given what they were to be used for, they might have preferred being sacrificed, but it wasn't to be.
Largo, 2 Sam 21 details why they need to die. God is mad at Saul for breaking Joshua's covenant with the Gibeonites; so mad, in fact, that he sends the Israelites three years of famine. He does not relent until David sends 7 sons of Saul to be killed. This is mainly a convenant issue; bad things happen when you break covenants, including "executing" 7 innocent sons of Saul before God to allows crops to grow. If you are an atheist, this is a human sacrifice to solve an agricultural dilemma.
If you read the rest of the comments you will know that I said pretty much the same thing. The 7 sons were not burnt offerings, but revenge killings. The video is about Jephthah making a burnt offering of his own daughter, and God's acceptance of it, even after two months to "forgive" the debt.
When I was in the 9th grade I was falsely accused of smoking in school by the shop teacher. I was suspended. That Sunday while I was in church, the collection basket was pushed in front of me by a long wooden pole. At the end of the pole was the same teacher who falsely accused me of smoking. He snickered at me. That woke me up. All of my doubts about the religious beliefs I was taught which were held by my Catholic guilt melted away. To this day that man has no idea what a favor he did for me.
lol
gainer2420 5 months ago
1. No where does it say that Jeff actually burned her
2. No where does it say that God needed or wanted the vow.
3. No where does it say that she bewailed her death but rather her virginity
4. There are several reasons that prove that Jeff couldnt have burned her.
5. But he did offer her into service of the Lord
6.The woman lamented which has the connotation that they praised and celebrated her 4x /year.
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or Jephthah (Jeff? Please!) made a promise that whatever came from his door would be a burnt offering. Read Judges 11:30-31 (KJV), paying particular attention to verse 31: . . . and I will offer it up FOR A BURNT OFFERING." Verse 39 says Jephthah "did with her ACCORDING TO HIS VOW." (emphasis mine). Apologists like you ignore what it says for what you would like it to say. The lament of his daughter and her friends was that she would die a virgin. Your post isn't spam. It's just wrong.
Largo64 5 months ago
...and that is why christians pretend to eat the body of jesus and drink his blood, not to commemorate the last supper, to commemorate what the disciples did with his body!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
Jesus WAS a human sacrifice. The passover feast required the sacrifice of a lamb, which is then cooked and eaten, with all remains burnt in a fire. Jesus is clearly denoted to be the 'lamb of god that takes away the sins of the world', a human to replace the animal in the passover sacrifice. If you want to know what happened to the body of jesus, just reflect on what they normally did with the passover lamb? THAT is why jesus has not been seen in the last 2000 years.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat Interesting thought. You know, of course, that Catholics receiving the eucharist are supposed to believe that they are consuming the actual, not just the spiritual, body and blood of the Christ. That 2 billion Catholics do this at least once a week makes you wonder how big that Jesus guy must have been. It's sort of like the relics of the "true cross" found in churches all over the world. The cross would have to have been as big as a modern city to have so many pieces!
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 I often ask christians, when you are pretending to drink the blood of jesus, and pretend to eat his flesh, exactly which body part do you visualize yourself eating? Do you eat the same body part every week, or do you mix it up? I NEVER get an answer. Never!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat lol
madax132 4 months ago
umm.. isnt jesus a human sacrifice?
i've heard that when the christians came to (what is now) mexico, indigenious people were still doing human sacrifice to insure good harvests, that kind of thing. the christians insisted it was wrong to do, but the native people didnt understand why, since the central story they believed was a human sacrifice story. apparently it was good once, then bad after that.
underweightHater 1 year ago
if a God were to be all knowing, then why would it need to test someone to see what their reaction would be? the buybull is stupid.
projectptube 1 year ago
@projectptube Very good point!
Largo64 1 year ago
Idiots. "And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man." She became a nun, a sacrifice "as a burnt offering" would be. She wasn't burned alive nitwits.
cusanusnicolas 1 year ago
@cusanusnicolas Before you call people idiots and nitwits, read the entire chapter of Judges 11. If you did that and think that his daughter became anything but ashes, YOU are the idiot!
Largo64 1 year ago
what i dont get is why jephath was so grief stricken when his daughter came out...who in teh hell did you expect to come greet you? either you only child or your wife. unless he had a dog that he didnt mind bbq'n.......even still, who would take that risk? the story is all over dumb.
B4mytyme 2 years ago
Maybe he was having marital problems?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
that crossed my mind as a possibility as well lol
B4mytyme 2 years ago
christians respond to Jepthah's cruelty by saying that it's inclusion in the bible shows the author's (ezekial's, i think) disgust.
how do you reply to them?
kopyob 2 years ago
@kopyob I haven't heard that objection before. Why do they think a prophet would write something that exposed a disgust with anything that god did? Unbelievers usually jump on something like Judges 11. But I would think a believer would have left it out if possible.
Largo64 2 years ago
christians & jews don't blame god because they believe he is flawless. They, and the author of this story, instead criticize jepthah, if i'm not mistaken.
I'm sorry if i missed it, but is there any explicit evidence that God wanted this sacrifice?
God granting him victory in war, doesn't neccessarily mean he also wanted jepthah to follow thru with his end of the bargain.
kopyob 2 years ago
@kopyob Read the chapter again. Jephthah vowed that in return for victory he would sacrifice whatever came first from his door. Do you think the omniscient didn't know what that would be? He got what he asked for and owed payment. When Jephthah saw that his daughter was first to greet him he didn't ask god to "forgive" the debt. And god accepted the sacrifice. There is abundant evidence in the OT that god deals harshly with those who break covenants with him. What more evidence do you need?
Largo64 2 years ago
@Largo64 "Jephthah vowed that in return for victory he would sacrifice whatever came first from his door"
The key words are "Jepthah vowed", not god. Jepthah created this deal in his own head. What god did could have been for the benefit of one of the other thousands of others involved in this war, but Jep mistakenly interpreted victory as divine approval of his own vow.
"and god accepted the sacrifice"
some more evidence for that in this chapter pls.
just playin christian's advocate here.
kopyob 2 years ago
@kopyob You forget that this was when people supposedly conversed with god. They had a deal. God carried out his part, and Jephtha was expected to carry out his. Why no angel this time to stay his hand, as with Abraham? If god hadn't wanted the sacrifice he had two months in which to make that known. You apologists want people to believe the bible, but you don't believe it yourselves. And what about the "supreme" human sacrifice - Yeshua. You want it both ways.
Largo64 2 years ago
I'm just trying to prove that neither the believer's nor the unbeliever's interpretation is watertight. There is more than one way to read a story from ancient scripture.
kopyob 2 years ago
@kopyob No, there is what the story says, and what you want it to say. You are kidding yourself with your "interpretation, but you are not kidding me.
Largo64 2 years ago
I want to expand on a point lightly made by largo, being that your reading into the story what you want it to be about.
Nowhere in the story is doubt shown on the validity of the agreement between jepthah and god.
Nowhere is disgust at the deal shown
Nowhere did god denounce the vow or stop the sacrifice
The story only tells a story of how a guy prayed to god, got what he wanted, and followed on a deal to the letter because thats what your supposed to do
You cannot add disgust where none is
waltermh111 2 years ago
So Roadwarrior, what is the other possible interpretation? Christians are way over their heads, their ignorance and presumption are beyond the limits of just sitting by and letting them talk, and try to 'convert' the world to their silly wet dream. Jesus was, is and will be a mushroom, and that's all she wrote.
vachespagnole 2 years ago
Yep. Keep making videos! You've got to get Christians to read their own bibles, it's the only way they'll get deconverted ;).
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
Question torak101 what religion r u ?
xXSfSniper01Xx 2 years ago
"Theological suicide"?
"From a Christian theological perspective"?
It's a simple story. he offers God a sacrifice in exchange for victory in WAR and that sacrifice turns out to be his only daughter which the God of the bible happily excepts.
BTW one of the points that is missed here is that God is condoning war AND picking sides.
How else can you "interpret" this story other then God will exchange victory in war for the sacrifice of human children?
So much for a loving God.
torak101 2 years ago
... this is disturbing.
SecularSaracen 2 years ago
Much of the bible is, if you read what it actually says, instead of accepting the apologetic version you get in church.
Largo64 2 years ago
Agreed! I hate how they'll cherry pick what they like and try to represent the entire bible with a tiny fraction of itself.
For example, I that that if all sermons on how God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah remembered to include a few little details, like Lot offering up his daughters for gang rape or later having incestuous sex with them, it'd have a different impact :p.
The same Lot of 2nd Peter 2:8 who apparently was righteous. Hah! Of all the absurdity! :D
NoAntecessor 2 years ago
They cherry pick so much. The few times I've debated heavily (and friendly) with Christians always seems to end differently, being that they twist and turn the book to their own definition (otherwise they'd be immoral). I remember one fellow told me I had the wrong Bibles, and his Bible was correct. I gave up shortly after. I believe it's near impossible for pseudo-Christians to be converted (especially a teenager), but rather it requires a new state of mind.
eviltube1111 2 years ago
Good stuff. I will subscribe.
penixnet 2 years ago
This is accurate.
mistertakeda 2 years ago
No, this is not a clear case of human sacrifice to God. That is theological suicide. I have made a video demonstrating how flawed this view is - theologically, contextually, and linguistically.
CRoadwarrior 2 years ago
Post it as a video response to this one if you like. But "theological suicide" doesn't fly.
Largo64 2 years ago
That's ok, Largo64. I have already posted it as a response elsewhere. As for "theological suicide," the fact remains that it does "fly" from a Christian theological perspective. My video is up now, and I suspect that no one will have a credible response to my three points, although much more could be said.
CRoadwarrior 2 years ago
"Theological suicide" is just a term you made up, because, like all apologists, when you can't worm your way out of a problem with the truth a lie will do. You are like a diplomat. Both diplomats and apologists are professional liars. They are good at it, but it doesn't make a word they say the truth.
The book you follow is so "inerrant" that no two people can agree completely on which translation is correct. They read into it what they like and dismiss what disturbs them as "mistranslated."
Largo64 2 years ago
Largo64 you know nothing of apologetics. The fact of the matter is, guys like you want to pretend that you know ancient languages, history and cultures when it comes to the Bible without studying anything. You like to pretend that passages like Judges 11 only offers one possible interpretation. At least I study issues. All you do is make blanket statements which have no validity either in logic or Biblical accuracy. The truly professional liars are mostly atheists and others like yourself.
CRoadwarrior 2 years ago
You see, I'd have more respect for you, Largo, if you at least admitted that there is another possible understanding of the passage due to linguistic and other issues. Christian scholars and theologians who are honest do this all the time. But when guys like you, who hardly study anything comprehensively, pretend to know that there is only one way to read a passage, that smacks of incredible arrogance and, in my view, stupidity. In my video, I admit the two main views but argue for mine.
CRoadwarrior 2 years ago
I will just have to suffer along without your respect. Woe is me! The Bible, which you claim is inerrant and the very word of God, would not need interpretation, and certainly not apologists, if it were the simple truth. If a god wanted to communicate with people and say what is to be believed, he would have made himself perfectly clear. If there were any book by a god it would not need interpretation. If a god could confound the languages he could also make everyone understand his own words.
Largo64 2 years ago
Yet another fabulous post bu mister Largo64!
gamblorn 2 years ago
Beautiful.
A great script.
Largo, you may have just inspired a new movie out of me.
NonStampCollector 2 years ago
But Human sacrifices are not in Judaism or Islam
Luqmangill 2 years ago
The case of Jephthah in the video is from the Hebrew Bible. The story of Abraham being told by God to sacrifice Isaac is also a part of Jewish scripture. I don't know about Islam with regard to human sacrifice. Throughout the Old Testament God demands expiation for sin in the blood of animals. In the New Testament he still requires blood . . . this time from his own son. Why do you think Jesus is referred to as the lamb of God? Christians insist he was both fully God and fully human.
Largo64 2 years ago
Great video.
Naxos99 2 years ago
Sacrifice is one of my favorite things to hit the bible on. Nice video. Concise and demoralizing haha
BraveNewAtheist 2 years ago
I've had so many christians deny that christianity
has anything to do with human sacrifice.
I remind them that the ritualized cannibalism and blood drinking
is a reminder of the human sacrifice of Jesus...
then they get mad at me!
Nice video, Largo.
5 stars.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
I like the xtranormal says the last lines. Very nice video.
nukleopatra88 2 years ago
Somebody once tried to defend this by saying that, well, God had said that you couldn't break an oath to him once it's made, so he HAD to accept the sacrifice or it would be going back on his word. Of course, God also said that sacrificing your child is abhorrent to him and not allowed, so there's some kind of conflict here no matter how you look at it.
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
jesus was also human sacrifice
blasphemite 2 years ago
"jesus was also human sacrifice"
Either that or he should be considered a suicide.
Jesus had a chance to try and get away, and he stayed to "sacrifice" himself. So either, he is a human sacrifice or he was a suicide (since he allowed himself to be killed).
averylbrooks 2 years ago
well death help is often considdered murder so I would call it sacrifice
rv186rs 2 years ago
I always find myself saying he allegedly came down to Earth on a suicide mission!
But then he sacrificed himself, to umm.. himself, to save evrybody from, um, himself!
A bit of an EMO Drama Queen.
OnTheFritz602 2 years ago
I'm trying to read the bible right now but i'm finding it hard to go on after it said that god liked the smell of burnt flesh...
sakuraoneechan 2 years ago
Exactly
Katalyzt 2 years ago
So God likes the smell of burnt flesh.
Justinfh2point0 2 years ago
I'll have mine well-done thanks.
StealthWarrior1988 2 years ago
The real fairytale part is that there was nothing but his daughter that could have come out of that door. There was no one else living there. Religion is a fairytale, practiced as a cult.
ndyt 2 years ago
It doesn't say whether he had a wife, or a servant or perhaps an animal that might have come out, but most likely it would have been a dreadful loss to him. And with two months to think it over he didn't ask God to relieve him of the vow, nor did God offer to let it go.
Largo64 2 years ago
Largo64, yeah, sounds just like a badly written fairytale. But believers cant see that because they are in a cult that has brainwashed them into to feeling like they would be worthless without Jesus.
ndyt 2 years ago
largo, you should mute the voices of these guys. theyre kind of annoying after a while- i would much rather hear you do some funny voiceovers!
maidenfucknrulz666 2 years ago
I would love to voiceover these characters, if I knew how to do it.
Largo64 2 years ago
hmm...well how do you upload it? do u use windows movie maker or imovie or something like that?
maidenfucknrulz666 2 years ago
Xtranormal stuff uploads directly between Xtranormal and YouTube. My other stuff has been iMovie untillately, when iMovie is not working well. Now I'm back to YT quick captures.
Largo64 2 years ago
hmm...if you could somehow get it to imovie i know you can do voiceovers. same with movie maker. i myself am working with a mac, so i know how crappy imovie can sometimes be. hypercams might be of use to you
maidenfucknrulz666 2 years ago
Maybe these Holy Revelations your are mocking are being taken out of context? Maybe a little?
Remember, sir, those passages were scribbled down in a time when people knew nothing about anything.
hairyreasoner 2 years ago
The story of Jephthah is complete in itself. How is it out of context? He was kicked out of his tribe because his mother was "an harlot." When the tribe needed him they begged him to come back and lead them in battle. He got them to promise to make his leadership of the army permanent if he was successful. To achieve that success he made a bargain with God. He got what he wanted, and kept his end of the bargain. There is the whole context.
This objection was surprising, coming from you.
Largo64 2 years ago
A case of bad sarcasm (in no way directed at you), and entirely my fault.
I ineptly tried to point out that these stories are so absurdly ripped from such a primitive time that they are of no value.
I'm sorry for causing a misunderstanding.
hairyreasoner 2 years ago
Sometimes I'm a little too quick to take offense. Sorry, Harry.
Largo64 2 years ago
No no no. It was entirely my fault.
hairyreasoner 2 years ago
Very postable stuff here! Great job!
JEFFtheATHEIST 2 years ago
This is great. : )
Let us not forget all the little Egyptian children who were killed at the end of the plagues (recall bloody water, frogs hopping everywhere, locusts, hail, etc) that were written about in the bible.
It appears that god sure is a twat and is terribly bloodthirsty, too.
phenixwryter 2 years ago
A more obvious example is 2Samuel 21, where seven men are sacrificed to prevent famine. Also Numbers 31:25, where a certain number of vanquished enemies are to be sacrificed.
Gilmaris 2 years ago
Actually 2 Sam. 21 in the KJV says "...we shall hang them up unto the Lord." The NIV says "Let seven of his male descendants be given tio us to be killed and exposed before the Lord." The New Living Translation says "...we will execute them before the Lord." The seven were killed in revenge, but they were not blood sacrifices, not burnt offerings. In Numbers 31:7 "...and they slew all the (adult) males." Then verse 17 the slaying of all the little males was also commanded. (cont.)
Largo64 2 years ago
(cont.) In Numbers 31 the"offering" written of was the "heave offering, of which the Lord's tribute was thirty and two persons." These were 32 of the virgins spared back in verse 17, given to the priests as a tithe (heave offering). They also were not blood sacrifices. Given what they were to be used for, they might have preferred being sacrificed, but it wasn't to be.
Largo64 2 years ago
Largo, 2 Sam 21 details why they need to die. God is mad at Saul for breaking Joshua's covenant with the Gibeonites; so mad, in fact, that he sends the Israelites three years of famine. He does not relent until David sends 7 sons of Saul to be killed. This is mainly a convenant issue; bad things happen when you break covenants, including "executing" 7 innocent sons of Saul before God to allows crops to grow. If you are an atheist, this is a human sacrifice to solve an agricultural dilemma.
VulcanForge 2 years ago
If you read the rest of the comments you will know that I said pretty much the same thing. The 7 sons were not burnt offerings, but revenge killings. The video is about Jephthah making a burnt offering of his own daughter, and God's acceptance of it, even after two months to "forgive" the debt.
Largo64 2 years ago
Beautiful. =]
Coltranized 2 years ago
When I was in the 9th grade I was falsely accused of smoking in school by the shop teacher. I was suspended. That Sunday while I was in church, the collection basket was pushed in front of me by a long wooden pole. At the end of the pole was the same teacher who falsely accused me of smoking. He snickered at me. That woke me up. All of my doubts about the religious beliefs I was taught which were held by my Catholic guilt melted away. To this day that man has no idea what a favor he did for me.
tonemenolc 2 years ago
l would have no problems at all sacrificing that yappy dog of my neighbour, if called upon by voices in the head to do so.
Apparently, voices in the head, allegedly from a god, stands up in court - a little bit, until the REAL law catches up with one.
Clang! Droppeth ye not the soap.
draagon66 2 years ago
Don't you just love their loving god
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Hey! YWH helped him commit genocide! Sacraficing his only daughter was the least he could do to show his gratitude.
CousinoMacul 2 years ago
LOL. What WAS I thinking!?!
rozeboosje 2 years ago
Nice.
kegs666 2 years ago