The Civil War in Bosnia (Facts & Chronology) [1]

[waagh500]

please tell me what the song play at 3:28

[chemerich]

Americans are so blinded by capitalism that they prefer civil war to communism

[loganyz250f]

Fuck muslims

[illuminatiCannibal]

I was living there the whole time!!! Gangsta!! I was born in Bosnia right before the war and left to America right after!!

I'll kill all you serb faggots.

[TheLoyalOfficer]

That orange shit's dumb and distracting.

[MarshalRedDog]

@turkesyarrakyan I´ll let a european comment that.

One day you will wake up really surprised about what europeans really think about muslims.

What you see is not what you get.

[Neidhardt84]

MarshalRedDog, sto se predstavljas kao komunist kada si nista drugo nego srpski nacionalist? Nisam vidio nijednog komunistu i generalno ljevicara sa prostora ex-Yu koji brani Milosevica ili tvrdi kako Bosna nema sansi za opstanak. Takodjer nisam vidio nijednog komunistu koji jedan narod optuzuje (u tvom slucaju bosnjacki) za rat u BiH. Za rat u Jugoslaviji su odgovorne nacionalisticke burzoazije medju kojima su srpska i hrvatska bile najmocnije.

[MarshalRedDog]

@Neidhardt84 Koliko puta moram da objasnim ovo?

Ne radi se o nacijama, posto nacije uopste ne postoje objektivno. Radi se o klasama.

1. Zapad je stavio do znanja da je vreme da nestaje SOCIJALISTICKA Jugoslavija.

2. Slovenacki i hrvatski funkcioneri su shvatili poruku i na 14 Vanrednom Kongresu su hteli preci i zvanicno u kapitalizam. Slobo im nije dao.

Posle toga su svi koristili nacionalizam za svoje linije.

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog I Slobo i Radovan su upozorili Aliju da nema sanse da dobije rat. Jesu li pogresili? Objektivno.

Ne znam za vas, ali ja smatram coveka koji ide u rat koji ne moze dobiti budalom.

Bosna je imala 16 godina da dokaze da je funkcionalna. Jeli? Sta to ide na bolje tamo?

I zasto bi BiH trebala da opstaje pod kontrolom Federacije?

Da se ne bi ostvario velikosrpski san. Zasto bi se ostvario vekobalijski san?

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Vecina bosnjaka jos uvek misle nacionalisticki. Sto nije cudno, posto vam je vlada jos uvek ratna i retorika joj je ratna. A vi ste eho toga.

Ali ti pitas mene zasto se predstavljam kao jugosloven? Ja pitam vas.

Cetnici tvrde da su cetnici. Ustase da su ustase. Nema problema, iskreno je, znamo na cemu smo.

Ali zasto tvrdite vi da ste jugoslovenim, iako je ocigledno da mislite kao balije?

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Na zalost, Bosna nije nikad bila srce Jugoslavije. To je mit. Bila je kompromis u borbi za vlast izmedu hrvata i srba. Za vreme SFRJ se niste izjasnjavali kao jugosloveni, na referendumu ste se izjasnili sa 99,7 % za secesiju...mislim, koga mi to lazemo ovde?

Jeli moguce da lazete sami sebe?

Da ti citiram Aliju Karadzicu pre secesije: „Takvu Jugoslaviju niko nece“.

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Takvu Jugoslaviju kakvu vi hocete - gde ce svi ostali biti vezanih ruku i klanjati vam se, iako objektivno, niste u pravu - niko nece.

Ne radi se o nacijama. Radi se o klasama. Misliti nacionalisticki je mentalitet kmeta. A kmet je kmet, posto ne shvaca.

Meni se ravno jebe dali je na vlasti srbin, hrvat ili musliman. Samo da je socijalista.

Ja, na primer, uopste nisam srbin.

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Jedino sto bih vas zamolio je da prestajete da se predstavljate kao jugosloveni.

Nismo bas svi sisali vesla. Prepoznajemo nacionalisticke misaone strukture kad ih vidimo.

[Neidhardt84]

@MarshalRedDog Vidim koliko ti se ne jebe.

[Neidhardt84]

@MarshalRedDog Sta me briga da li je BiH bila srce Jugoslavije ili ne. Ona je platila najvecu cijenu za raspad Jugoslavije koju sam ja volio i koju jos uvijek volim, no za razliku od tebe ja Jugoslaviju shvacam kao zemlju radnika, ne Jugoslavena i kojekakvih nacionalnih atributa. BiH je bila Jugoslavija u malom i zbog toga je morala platiti najvecu cijenu, jer su ideolozi iz Beograda i Zagreba htjeli etnicki ciste tvorevine. Danas isti takvi ideolozi postoje i medju Bosnjacima, kao posljedica.

[Neidhardt84]

@MarshalRedDog Da ponovim, nisam Bosnjak. Kada smo vec kod retorike, ponovo procitaj svoj post. Ocigledno si slabo upoznat u politicka zbivanja i povijest. Bosnjacki nacionalizam je postratni fenomen i dosegao je vec retoriku druga dva, susjedna nacionalizma, ali nije ni izbliza rasprostranjen kao recimo srpski. Pogledaj samo reakciju u Srbiji i medju Srbima u Bosni nakon hapsenja Mladica. U Srbiji je preko 50% gradjana protiv njegovog izrucenja. Trebam li te podsjetiti tko je Mladic?

[Neidhardt84]

@MarshalRedDog Je li se ovo meni obracas? Kao prvo, nisam bosnjacke nacionalnosti, a tvoje obracanje sa "vi" misleci na nekakav nacionalni kolektiv upravo samo potvrdjuje tvoju konfuziju. BiH su najvecu stetu nanijeli srpski i hrvatski nacionalisti. Nakon tolikog etnickog ciscenja, ti postavljas pitanje da li je BiH nakon 16 godina mira uopce funkcionalna. Medjutim, sto su srpski i hrvatski nacionalisti zapoceli, dokrajciti ce bosnjacki. Oni isto tako rade na etnickoj segregaciji i podjeli.

[Neidhardt84]

@MarshalRedDog Pa iz tvojih postova se jasno moze zakljuciti da ti je nacionalno vidjenje stvari itekako bitno. Istina je da su nacije obicne izmisljotine 19. vijeka kao sto je jasna i zapadna uloga oko unistenja YU, medjutim ti negiras svaku krivnju srpskog nacionalizma koji je kao interni faktor razaranja YU bio glavni akter. Takodjer je laz da slovenskim i hrvatskim burzoazijama Milosevic nije dopustao tranziciju u slobodno trziste. Sto mislis koji je to ekonomski sustav vladao u Srbiji za

[MarshalRedDog]

@Neidhardt84 Ne negiram ja postojanje i krivicu srpskog nacionalizma.

Stovise, dok su ga drugi ispoljavali krisom, srbi su ga ispoljavali otvoreno. I zbog toga su naleteli na glavnu krivicu.

Ja tvrdim da je taj nacionalizam vec postojajo svuda tokom druge polovine 80-tih i da Slobo nije imao drugih izbora osim da mu se stavi na celo i da ga pokusa kontrolisati, inace bi pao.

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Seselj je priznao u Haagu da je sve sto je uradio po Hrvatskoj bilo u svrhu popularisanja sebe u Srbiji da bi svrgnuo Slobu.

Sta bi ti uradio na mestu Slobe kad bi video da postoji realna sansa da te skida budala kao Seselj?

Pokusaj zamisliti Seselja na celu Srbije.

Zagreb bi izgledao kao Vukovar (S druge strane, onda Aliji verovatno ne bi pala na pamet luda ideja da se odcepljuje).

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Propast ekonomije Srbije je zavisio od embarga.

Sa 20 DM mesecno su ljudi morali smisliti nesto, kao na primer trampu, sverc, transakcije na crno i kriminalitet. Inace bi umrli od gladi.

Gde propada legalna ekonomija, tu ulazi kriminal i vrsi funkcju ekonomije. Isto vazi i za drzavu. Morala je finansirati sebe na jedini nacin koji joj je preostao.

Uzrok i posledica. Prvo embargo, onda krah. Ne obrnuto.

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Zasto mislis da ga je zapad mrzeo toliko da su ga progonili do smrti? Zbog toga sto je bio nacionalista?

Da je tvrdio da je za „trzisnu ekonomiju“ bi mu pomogli da gazi otpor. Mrzeli su ga zato sto je bio socijalista.

Onakav kakav god bio, on je bio zadnji zvanicni socijalista SFRJ. Zbog toga je popio batine.

Svi ostali su bili goriji.

Ja ga cenim, ne zbog nacionalizma, vec socijalizma.

[MarshalRedDog]

@MarshalRedDog Nacionalizam je bio nesto na sta je morao igrati da bi opstao na vlasti da bi uopste mogao pokusati braniti socijalizam.

I da ponovimo: Nacionalizam kao nacionalizam. Glupost. Opijum za mase.

Kritika jedne vrste nacionalizma ne znaci da si automatski za drugu vrstu.

To je uslovljeni refleks koji je nametnula propaganda.

[Neidhardt84]

@MarshalRedDog vrijeme Milosevica? Crni kriminalni kapitalizam. On nije bio ni S od socijaliste kako je sugestirala njegova stranka nego je vladao kombinacijom srpskog nacionalizma (koji je daleko stariji i prisutniji od bosnjackog), tranzicijskog kriminala i ekonomskog monopolizma. Srpski nacionalizam koji je na Kosovu otvoreno izasao na vidjelo je upravo Milosevic eksportirao u citavu Jugoslaviji i tako potpalio i Srbe van Srbije umjesto da je smirio narod za sto ga Ivan Stambolic poslao.

[MACRONOne]

Why the extra subs? Totally unnecessary, it fucks-up a perfecty good documenatry.

[bugojanac18]

Bosnian Serbs hahahahahhaah no such a thing you fuckin serbs stinking ugly smelly cock sucking serbs thats all go back to ur serbia before u dont get ur asses kicked again!!!!!!!!!!.....Bunch of stinking pussys!!!!......

[MarshalRedDog]

@bugojanac18 You may eat your heart out, But Miloshevich was right: There will never be a functioning Bosnia, because there can´t be a Bosnia.

The bosniak fanatics are making it impossible.

[bugojanac18]

translate that shit right u fuckin serb...thats not a threat what are u a moran u a serb so u r u pussy.Izetbegovic told ur dumb ass president and all u fucks right.Nobody wanted yugoslavia with u dumb fucks and muslims they laughing at ur pussy asses now u had everything and still got ur asses kicked so dont sit there and protend like u something u bunch of bitches u fuckin pig eating smelly ugly cocks sucking motherfuckers.....Bosnia is still there and always will be we got heart u bitches....

[MarshalRedDog]

@bugojanac18 Thank you, Sir.

Behold this specimen!

That´s why the war in Bosnia broke out.

Complete fanatics. Nobody can live with them. And nobody does live with them.

Not even they themselves. Half of them are abroad, propagating “patriotism” from safe distance. And Republic of Serpska couldn´t care less about Sarajevo.

Bosnia exists only on paper. For time being…

[dansamedguran]

Read Michael Parentis excellent book about the civil war to answer your questions. What really happened is the destruction of a working socialist federation into small, weak, poor and exploited nationstates...

[00oopss00]

as a history professor i thank you for this video. i have studied wars in ex yugoslavia and i can say this is very accurate. muslims were indeed aggressors in bosnian, war not the other way around.

[SFRJugoslovenski]

@00oopss00 you must be a really un-educated professor, sorry to tell you.

[00oopss00]

@SFR Jugoslovenski. No not at all you should not be sorry, everybody is entitled to their opinion. as matter of fact, you telling to other people you do not know that they are uneducated tells a lot about you. so thst is why i do not really mind.

[bosnianmuslim22]

We muslims even want 2 live in peace 2gether right now by making Bosnia 1 country and not separarting 1 another. But serbias have all of serbia and still want part of bosnia. Even the croatias in bosnia want 2 united bosnia now, but serbs dont y is that???

[bosnianmuslim22]

It was proven that it wasnt in our heads. It was true that Serbs came and killed us muslims. The reason alija decleared indepence from yougslavia then was because he thought he was going to get protection from the US, But they did nothing. Serbia came in and did exactly what karadzice said they were going to do. Only the majority of serbias are the 1s that dont admit that they started the war. Look at serbia they have there country croatia has there country but us muslim have no country.....

[MarshalRedDog]

@bosnianmuslim22 Yes, serbs and croats have their countries, but look at their countries. They suck. Compared to Yugoslavia, they´re nothing.

Bosnia, with 50 % non-muslim population couldn´t become a country. They shouldn’t even have tried.

The killings came after the secession, because the secession triggered a civil war. If they would have stayed in Yugoslavia, nothing would have happened.

And why was it so important to secede?

[MarshalRedDog]

Even if it would have succeeded, Bosnia too would have become a crap of a country, as Serbia or Croatia.

[bosnianmuslim22]

@MarshalRedDog The fact remains is that no one beside serbia wanted any part of yougoslavia anymore because it was communism. And yougslavia was contorled by Serbia and no one wanted any part of that. We wanted democery and freedom, like all the other states in yougslavia. And acutally before the war the muslim population was higher then the non muslims. But regarless, we saw Chrisitnas and muslims in bosnia bosnian not serbs or croatians.

[MarshalRedDog]

@bosnianmuslim22 I appreciate your honesty.

Yes, that´s what it was about; socialism or capitalism.

Then the different phalanxes tried to gather support for their lines by playing on nationalism.

Nationalism is that primitive that it always works.

Now, they have “freedom” and “democracy”.

But they don´t seem very happy.

[bosnianmuslim22]

@MarshalRedDog They dont seem happy because the serbs dont want any part of bosnia thats y. They want repiblic serbska and join it with serbia.

[bosnianmuslim22]

@MarshalRedDog But during the war tujman and milosevic wanted to take bosnia over and spilt it among themselfs, and leave the muslims just a lil peice right next to sarajevo. U tell me is this far???

[bubutare]

Mai fratee ce dracu se intampla cu voi va-ti prostit de tot . NUCONTEAZA IDIOTENIILE DESPRE ETNIE .nu exista decat in mintea bolnavilor! va compatimesc, sincer.

[MarshalRedDog]

@bubutare Bubutare, si eu ne compatimesc.

Ai dreptate cu totul. Etnia nu exista decit in mintile bolnavilor.

Pe noi ne-a lovit o boala de care nu putem scapa nici acum, 20 de ani dupa epidemia mare.

Nationalismul este otrava pentru mase.

[Harleypadre1]

@MarshalRedDog ...I stopped watching this peace of crap, because of the distracting moronic words that continued to pop up on the screen. I get to decide for myself what I believe and that means your opinion while I watch is totally unimportant to me and do not impress upon me. You are a true moron for thinking that it would.

[MarshalRedDog]

@Harleypadre1 Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Your opinion is important to us.

I believe in flying pigs.

[epicbeats1]

hahah . serbian scum !

[nissytrippa]

bosna moja jebemo sribju

[TraziVise]

This is the reason for all the crap. Yes, THESE provoking responses here. And you all still debate why there was a war when you men can't even have a civil discussion with one another. Yugoslavia ceased to exist, It's over...they ran out of money and these same people that supported a Yugoslavia while it flourished (ALIJA, SLOBO AND FRANJO) somehow managed to brainwash their people in the process. Why can't you guys see this?

Pozdrav, from the one and only Queen Illyria from a land down under.

[bosna501]

watch?v=7vBm02fbyuw

[johnnyplsbgd]

You are Yugoslav? I think not.

I think you simply are an idiot,...... i saw in one of your "editorials" says "Nobody wanted to kill them, that was in their heads"-It was proven that it wasnt in anyones head, the killing really happened.

Ta ti kokarda navukla sajkacu na oci pa nista ne vidis jugovicu:)

Slimv- who are you? still searching for your identity? Product of a mixed marriage? :)

[MarshalRedDog]

@ johnnyplsbgd: (Slimv- who are you? still searching for your identity? Product of a mixed marriage? :))

And you´re "pure" ?

I have no further questions, balija.

[johnnyplsbgd]

Thanks:)

Not sure why you waste your life on things you dont even understand.

What are you trying to prove, and to whom? Get out a bit more and relax,.....ostavi kokardu pa je stavi na celo ako opet dodje do rata :)

[Daritto7117]

YUGOSLAVIA <3

[slimv29]

btw, be sure to do others directed towards the chetniks, usrase, domobrani, vmrovci, uckovci, etc..

[MarshalRedDog]

Dear comrade Slim.

I don´t have the time for it.

Besides, it´s not necessary.

Serbia and Croatia are on the path of normalization.

The Slovenians are gone. They´ve become Western-style "ironic". I´ve given up the hope for them.

The Macedonian nationalists are so pathetic that it's beneath my dignity to even try to deal with them. I´ll let them wear themselves out.

The Albanians are living "democracy" in full bloom. Even there, I'm expecting that they draw their own conclusions.

[MarshalRedDog]

Lately I was picking on the Bosniaks. Because I pity them. That´s why I´m trying to bring them out of the hibernation.

But things are looking good. In 1994, when I got out on the net, there were no Yugoslavs out there.

In 2007, when I came to YouTube, you could count us on the fingers of one hand.

Today, I´m overrun by Yugoslavs. Now, I´m redundant.

Things are developing under the surface and exponentially. When the might notices that it´s usually too late.

[MarshalRedDog]

Things are looking good now. Really good.

[slimv29]

slovenians gone? i dunno, i question that, and the macedonian nationalists i agree, they are blind, but i know for a fact that there are many macedonians who would gladly support the idea of yugoslavia, lets hope that serbia and croatia do normalize. the albanians in kosovo, clearly have no future for that base

[slimv29]

it is sad that he died by the time they could put him on trial for his crimes but at least he is burning in hell

[slimv29]

(you will drag bosnia into hell) those were probably the only right words that karadzic once said as well as stating that that nationalism is likely worse than bolshevism, alija for one is a traitor to bosnia, not just because of the war and fanaticism but also because of him bih is poor (45% unemployment rate and growing), and that he had a hand in dividing the bosnian people into two entities which both need to be destroyed