The grottos of our early Popes-1st few centuries are in the catacombs as well-all were martrys for the faith of our church. Onlly that of which is Divine could possibly endure for 2000 years despite all persecutions-any man made church would have diminshed many centuries ago.
Lastly-I leave with one important question-If you believe that the Roman Catholic Church is a heresy-then what happens to all the faithful followers of it, up til 1551AD ,as that was the only Christian church in existance?
@winter1936 My sister has found another faith to follow and their argument is that the real chrustian church had to remain hidden until the reformation..Claiming we bastardised Judaism and that Jesus never changed any of the old ways but that gentiles entered and destroyed the true church through the dominating pagan Roman Catholic church.
I was @ peace and joyful top know that the church I was brought up in & grew to know and love was the Roman Catholic Church. I found many artifacts & historical evidence to further back up my findings that are undeniable. I have read through some of the letters of our Early Church Fathers-there are 38 volumes-I skimmed through what I neede to know. i also found Archeological evidence through the hundreds or more of tombs of marytrs in the catacombs in & around Rome.
So Protestantism came into being in 1551AD -Pretty interesting. I was compelled to research these facts so that I would know the truths of our Catholic faith. It seems pretty silly when I hear people saying that we don't follow the Bible-it's our book to begin with & it-reflects our traditions and doctrine which has remained untouched since it's est. in 33AD.Our Bible remains as the original with all 73 books. I fully reccomend others to do as I did. Seek out truths for yourself & by yourself.
@winter1936 I have seen in household and novelty magazines I recieve through the mail offers selling the "lost books" of the bible.Then I think why do they waste money there when they can just get a Douay-Rheims Bible and have it all in one and without the 45,000 errors in the King James Version
There wasn't any bible avail. to any one person until the Gutenberg press came about in the 1400s.Most of the lay people in the early church were illiterate and so had to depend on the church for teaching. Up until 1551 AD there was only the Catholic Church if you were Christian. In 1551AD Martin Luther revolted being the very !st Protestant-he removed 7 of our Catholic doctrinal books and also changed words-he believed in faith alone and we could do as we please.
For those that have taken up their faiith in the new modernism of "Sola Scriptura" -may I ask if anyone knows where,when,how & what church compiled sacred scriptures? Before I put my heart & soul into any book-I recommend a bit of research for the facts. The Bible was put together inspiringly in 397AD under Pope Damasus with the early church fathers -& yes they were all Roman Catholic. The RC Church came hundreds of years before the bible.
@winter1936 If Protestants were sola scriptura as they claim they why do they themselves write books ,flyers ,and bible tracts? Why do they even speak casual day to day words or think outside of the scripture?God gave us a wonderful gift our minds to study and reason with and think.We are told the bible is Living Word...each passage is so important there is no space for all we could write about the bible and expalanations deserve their place in our learning. Thank God for the church doctors
@LindaBkrWms @ least our Catholic church guides us in all truths through the biblical passages. What has taken centuries for the Catholicv church to disect it's meaning through theologians & biblical scholars=Protestants can do all by themselves!
@truthfulreply I am unsure if U R saying protestants are able to decipher the bible or not.Perhaps yourlast statement "Protestants can do all by themselves!" is being ironic?We catholics do need to step it up a notch and seek biblestudy in our parishes.In my experience here online if you have a decent reference DR Bible you are quite easily armed to go head to head with a protestors arguments.Usually their pride gets in the way and they refuse to listen.......con't next post
@LindaBkrWms I am Roman Catholic--I look to the teaching guidance of my church for interpretation. Protestants on the other hand-discipher it on their own and think they got it right-when it took centuries for the Catholic Church to disect its meanings through the help of hundreds of theologians & biblical scholars. They are mighty proudful to think they are so inspired & are born again.
@LindaBkrWms Sorry for the misunderstanding-I have met so many proudful Sola Scriptura born again Protestors-shall I call them? Thats where Protestant was derived from.
@truthfulreply i get tired as well.but have heart because it is a sign that we ARE the true Church founded by Jesus. If another church were the true church satan would be going after them the same way almost all other christians go after us.
@truthfulreply actually if you laugh about it then satan gets pretty ticked off and loses a bit more of His grip. One night as Teresa of Avila was trying to get some sleep she heard the devil grunting and smelled him stinking up her room. She told him to keep the noise down so she could get some rest. Then she went back to sleep.LOL she blew the wind out of his sails.IE sometimes you have to ignore these people when they slander and accuse us because they are the real liars. And they know it
@LindaBkrWms You know-I have actually had quite a few laughs @ all the ignorance of those opposed to the Catholic Church.Well the scriptures said this would happen-these people are truly blinded and its been around 2 milleniums. They hate it,they totally misunderstand our traditions,& they refuse to hear about it.
@truthfulreply The sad part is that these protestants do not really want us in Heaven. one day I told a guy that I was grateful to be catholic. The guy got mad and said,"well good for you be grateful in hell as i will be saved" I was not being proud about it , I truely am grateful that God chose me. I often wonder why He felt I could be trusted with His truth. So I just pray and move on LOL
@LindaBkrWms Most non Catholics don't want to hear anything from us. They refuse to hear from us & hate the church for what they wrongly believe it to be. God chose all of us-its up to us if we want to go down the narrow rocky road.
Theres a great Catholic website-with wonderful apologetics-its called The Catholic Treasure Chest. It will arm you with great & of course truthful answers.
@LindaBkrWms You are welcome-Its nice to have a civil conversation with someone. You wouldn't believe all the arguements I've been through with ignorant Anticatholics.
Everytime i try to go off this computer-I get more nasty rude comments about our church.
As far as your sister-say your prayers and present the facts in a calm manner. Most cults are very mind controlling-interigating SOBs.Find who started the cult & prove it to her in writing
@truthfulreply her minister started the church in his garage because he didnt like the mainstream church they were in.And I get stupid booklets from him almost every page is anti-cath. my sister is or was cradle cath like me but recently she told me I am guilty of idolatry for worshipping the eucharist. she knows better and is being proud.She claims that she reads Pauls letters faithfully.. yeah go figure.
@LindaBkrWms The church was started in a garage? There's one in my town that is in the old skating rink-I know its dark because I used to skate in it..Lets turn the tables around on the Catholic bashers--they don't celebrate the sacrament of the mass or liturgy of the mass as was taught by the Early Church Fathers and that is unbiblical.They don't believe in the Real Presence,confession to a priest. Gee-maybe they could baptize themselves & marry too-they got rid of all the other sacraments.
@truthfulreply I have been praying a rosary daily for these haters because only God can really talk to them. I also have been praying for their family and friends that have passed away otherwise they would be forgetten.
@truthfulreply For example the accusation that we worship familiar spirits(devotions to saints) My argument to one person was to look up ALL REFERENCE to Angels in the old and new testament. Then refer to Jesus saying that in heaven people become like the angels.We know of all the prophets that spoke to Angels and who could forget Mary speaking to Gabriel.Praise God that Mary did not fear Gabriel was a familiar spirit. She would have said NO GO AWAY! and we all would have been lost..
@winter1936 You forgot to mention that while the Old Testament was written by Jews Catholics wrote the New Testament in the later part of the first century AD. OH I will be slammed by someone because I say all of Jesus's followers , in the New Testament were (and still are in Heaven) Catholic. but hey it is what it is.... I did not make the history
PETER WENT TO ROME-BIBLE STATES HE WENT TO BABYLON-THE BIBLICAL CODE WORD FOR BABYLON IS PAGAN-NOW MAY I ASK YOU WASN'T ROME PAGAN WHEN PETER & PAUL FOR THAT MATTER WENT THERE? AS I HAVE READ THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS PERSECUTED THER BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT WORSHIO THE ROMAN EMPEROR. To understand the bible-it takes a bit of knowledge in Biblcal code languages along with multiple other subjects such as Christian history/theology,philosophy,world history.
The attitude that is taken by some that if something isn't mentioned in the Bible only serves to make the Bible look like a encyclopedia for crackpots. The Moses' seat example shows the absurdity of taking such an extreme view of the Bible.
What it also does is makes Joe Public (those who don't do Acid) look upon Christianity as a bit nuts.
@mapollo Guy Fawkes and the other conspirators were Roman Catholics trying to kill King James and attack England because of their printing of the King James Bible. Rome and England were the bitterest of enemies. Protestant England was taking the gospel to the world through her rising empire and Rome was not about to let that happen. This is why when Alex Jones and others blame Great Britian and the bankers, it is just another attack on the once mighty empire that helped spread the truth
@mapollo sda cult? may i ask u my friend whose church is the one whose bowing on idols aka saints whose church got the pagan traditions isnt the roman catholic church aka babylon the harlot the church of blasphemy open ur eyes my friend, the best thing to do is turn ur upon Jesus and u will know the truth and the truth will set u free goodluck on ur spiritual journey
Yes. He belongs to the SDA...created in the mid 1800's. Ellen White is their failed 'prophetess' who liked to predict the end of the world. Guess what..we are still here. They also enjoyed spreading lies about the Catholic church, none of them substantiated. They defined their beliefs on what they hate - us. We define our beliefs on the Word of God. You would do well to do the same.
@mapollo I love how they always pit Jesus against the Church. And when you point out that their cult didn't exist until Ellen White, they automatically become dunces at subtraction. This hole in the head that they suffer from stops them from seeing that what they are basically saying is is that the gates of hell prevailed against Christ's Church for 1800yrs and therefore Jesus is a liar. Of course, the only liar is Ellen White, as you rightly point out.
@mapollo see how catholics lies elle never predicts the end of the world its william miller nad you said u dwell on the word of God isnt ur belief is more on tradition not the bible we base are are belief in sola sccriptura bro u know who the father of lie is its satan and ur the son of lie baetter st8 up ur accusation cause u sound so funny stay with ur religion and tell God when he comes back what u said here .
Yes she did.She wrote about it. Spoke about it. And it 's documented. Go to user Bingolly1. He has documented proof SDA and White lied and continues to do so.
@TheManGadoosh Sola Scriptura-How would you have done that in the first 4 centuries? And even after that-as most were illiterate.
Besides the Catholic Church compiled the scriptures by the end of the 4th century under Pope Damasus. In fact we were on our 5th Pope before the New Testament was completed & the last apostle John died. Why don't you join us?
You have our book-why not have the church as well?
@SuperMamba78 I am Roman Catholic & the blood of our martyrs & first 300 years of Popes are the roots of our faith . Pagan-if we were Pagan-why did the Pagan Roman Emperors torture our faithhful duting the early church?
Vulgate [Lat. Vulgata editio =common edition], most ancient extant version of the whole Christian Bible . Its name derives from a 13th-century reference to it as the "editio vulgata." The official Latin version of the Roman Catholic Church, it was prepared c.AD 383-AD 405 by St. Jerome (c.342-420) at the request of Pope St. Damasus I
It looks like English,
akkafietje 3 weeks ago
The grottos of our early Popes-1st few centuries are in the catacombs as well-all were martrys for the faith of our church. Onlly that of which is Divine could possibly endure for 2000 years despite all persecutions-any man made church would have diminshed many centuries ago.
Lastly-I leave with one important question-If you believe that the Roman Catholic Church is a heresy-then what happens to all the faithful followers of it, up til 1551AD ,as that was the only Christian church in existance?
winter1936 2 months ago
@winter1936 My sister has found another faith to follow and their argument is that the real chrustian church had to remain hidden until the reformation..Claiming we bastardised Judaism and that Jesus never changed any of the old ways but that gentiles entered and destroyed the true church through the dominating pagan Roman Catholic church.
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
I was @ peace and joyful top know that the church I was brought up in & grew to know and love was the Roman Catholic Church. I found many artifacts & historical evidence to further back up my findings that are undeniable. I have read through some of the letters of our Early Church Fathers-there are 38 volumes-I skimmed through what I neede to know. i also found Archeological evidence through the hundreds or more of tombs of marytrs in the catacombs in & around Rome.
winter1936 2 months ago
So Protestantism came into being in 1551AD -Pretty interesting. I was compelled to research these facts so that I would know the truths of our Catholic faith. It seems pretty silly when I hear people saying that we don't follow the Bible-it's our book to begin with & it-reflects our traditions and doctrine which has remained untouched since it's est. in 33AD.Our Bible remains as the original with all 73 books. I fully reccomend others to do as I did. Seek out truths for yourself & by yourself.
winter1936 2 months ago
@winter1936 I have seen in household and novelty magazines I recieve through the mail offers selling the "lost books" of the bible.Then I think why do they waste money there when they can just get a Douay-Rheims Bible and have it all in one and without the 45,000 errors in the King James Version
LindaBkrWms 2 months ago
@LindaBkrWms You are right !
truthfulreply 1 month ago
There wasn't any bible avail. to any one person until the Gutenberg press came about in the 1400s.Most of the lay people in the early church were illiterate and so had to depend on the church for teaching. Up until 1551 AD there was only the Catholic Church if you were Christian. In 1551AD Martin Luther revolted being the very !st Protestant-he removed 7 of our Catholic doctrinal books and also changed words-he believed in faith alone and we could do as we please.
winter1936 2 months ago
For those that have taken up their faiith in the new modernism of "Sola Scriptura" -may I ask if anyone knows where,when,how & what church compiled sacred scriptures? Before I put my heart & soul into any book-I recommend a bit of research for the facts. The Bible was put together inspiringly in 397AD under Pope Damasus with the early church fathers -& yes they were all Roman Catholic. The RC Church came hundreds of years before the bible.
winter1936 2 months ago
@winter1936 If Protestants were sola scriptura as they claim they why do they themselves write books ,flyers ,and bible tracts? Why do they even speak casual day to day words or think outside of the scripture?God gave us a wonderful gift our minds to study and reason with and think.We are told the bible is Living Word...each passage is so important there is no space for all we could write about the bible and expalanations deserve their place in our learning. Thank God for the church doctors
LindaBkrWms 2 months ago
@LindaBkrWms @ least our Catholic church guides us in all truths through the biblical passages. What has taken centuries for the Catholicv church to disect it's meaning through theologians & biblical scholars=Protestants can do all by themselves!
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@truthfulreply I am unsure if U R saying protestants are able to decipher the bible or not.Perhaps yourlast statement "Protestants can do all by themselves!" is being ironic?We catholics do need to step it up a notch and seek biblestudy in our parishes.In my experience here online if you have a decent reference DR Bible you are quite easily armed to go head to head with a protestors arguments.Usually their pride gets in the way and they refuse to listen.......con't next post
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
@LindaBkrWms I am Roman Catholic--I look to the teaching guidance of my church for interpretation. Protestants on the other hand-discipher it on their own and think they got it right-when it took centuries for the Catholic Church to disect its meanings through the help of hundreds of theologians & biblical scholars. They are mighty proudful to think they are so inspired & are born again.
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@LindaBkrWms Sorry for the misunderstanding-I have met so many proudful Sola Scriptura born again Protestors-shall I call them? Thats where Protestant was derived from.
I get tired of them bashing the Catholic church
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@truthfulreply i get tired as well.but have heart because it is a sign that we ARE the true Church founded by Jesus. If another church were the true church satan would be going after them the same way almost all other christians go after us.
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
@truthfulreply actually if you laugh about it then satan gets pretty ticked off and loses a bit more of His grip. One night as Teresa of Avila was trying to get some sleep she heard the devil grunting and smelled him stinking up her room. She told him to keep the noise down so she could get some rest. Then she went back to sleep.LOL she blew the wind out of his sails.IE sometimes you have to ignore these people when they slander and accuse us because they are the real liars. And they know it
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
@LindaBkrWms You know-I have actually had quite a few laughs @ all the ignorance of those opposed to the Catholic Church.Well the scriptures said this would happen-these people are truly blinded and its been around 2 milleniums. They hate it,they totally misunderstand our traditions,& they refuse to hear about it.
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@truthfulreply The sad part is that these protestants do not really want us in Heaven. one day I told a guy that I was grateful to be catholic. The guy got mad and said,"well good for you be grateful in hell as i will be saved" I was not being proud about it , I truely am grateful that God chose me. I often wonder why He felt I could be trusted with His truth. So I just pray and move on LOL
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
@LindaBkrWms Most non Catholics don't want to hear anything from us. They refuse to hear from us & hate the church for what they wrongly believe it to be. God chose all of us-its up to us if we want to go down the narrow rocky road.
Theres a great Catholic website-with wonderful apologetics-its called The Catholic Treasure Chest. It will arm you with great & of course truthful answers.
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@truthfulreply Oh thank you very much I need to find a way to talk to my sister..she is in a cult
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
@LindaBkrWms You are welcome-Its nice to have a civil conversation with someone. You wouldn't believe all the arguements I've been through with ignorant Anticatholics.
Everytime i try to go off this computer-I get more nasty rude comments about our church.
As far as your sister-say your prayers and present the facts in a calm manner. Most cults are very mind controlling-interigating SOBs.Find who started the cult & prove it to her in writing
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@truthfulreply her minister started the church in his garage because he didnt like the mainstream church they were in.And I get stupid booklets from him almost every page is anti-cath. my sister is or was cradle cath like me but recently she told me I am guilty of idolatry for worshipping the eucharist. she knows better and is being proud.She claims that she reads Pauls letters faithfully.. yeah go figure.
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
@LindaBkrWms The church was started in a garage? There's one in my town that is in the old skating rink-I know its dark because I used to skate in it..Lets turn the tables around on the Catholic bashers--they don't celebrate the sacrament of the mass or liturgy of the mass as was taught by the Early Church Fathers and that is unbiblical.They don't believe in the Real Presence,confession to a priest. Gee-maybe they could baptize themselves & marry too-they got rid of all the other sacraments.
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@truthfulreply I have been praying a rosary daily for these haters because only God can really talk to them. I also have been praying for their family and friends that have passed away otherwise they would be forgetten.
LindaBkrWms 4 weeks ago
@LindaBkrWms That is wonderful-I should do the same.
Have you checked out The Catholic Treasure Chest? Its got some great apologetics.
truthfulreply 4 weeks ago
@truthfulreply yes I did look at it..very nice website
LindaBkrWms 4 weeks ago
@truthfulreply For example the accusation that we worship familiar spirits(devotions to saints) My argument to one person was to look up ALL REFERENCE to Angels in the old and new testament. Then refer to Jesus saying that in heaven people become like the angels.We know of all the prophets that spoke to Angels and who could forget Mary speaking to Gabriel.Praise God that Mary did not fear Gabriel was a familiar spirit. She would have said NO GO AWAY! and we all would have been lost..
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
@LindaBkrWms I am Roman Catholic-I'm aware of these things already.
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@winter1936 You forgot to mention that while the Old Testament was written by Jews Catholics wrote the New Testament in the later part of the first century AD. OH I will be slammed by someone because I say all of Jesus's followers , in the New Testament were (and still are in Heaven) Catholic. but hey it is what it is.... I did not make the history
LindaBkrWms 1 month ago
PETER WENT TO ROME-BIBLE STATES HE WENT TO BABYLON-THE BIBLICAL CODE WORD FOR BABYLON IS PAGAN-NOW MAY I ASK YOU WASN'T ROME PAGAN WHEN PETER & PAUL FOR THAT MATTER WENT THERE? AS I HAVE READ THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS PERSECUTED THER BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT WORSHIO THE ROMAN EMPEROR. To understand the bible-it takes a bit of knowledge in Biblcal code languages along with multiple other subjects such as Christian history/theology,philosophy,world history.
winter1936 2 months ago
"....just for sheer bedevilment"
Oh my, I had a good chuckle at that. I like your example of Moses' seat.
mapollo 5 months ago
@mapollo "I like your example of Moses' seat."
Thanks!
The attitude that is taken by some that if something isn't mentioned in the Bible only serves to make the Bible look like a encyclopedia for crackpots. The Moses' seat example shows the absurdity of taking such an extreme view of the Bible.
What it also does is makes Joe Public (those who don't do Acid) look upon Christianity as a bit nuts.
That's what I hate about this type of logic.
TheManGadoosh 5 months ago
@mapollo Guy Fawkes and the other conspirators were Roman Catholics trying to kill King James and attack England because of their printing of the King James Bible. Rome and England were the bitterest of enemies. Protestant England was taking the gospel to the world through her rising empire and Rome was not about to let that happen. This is why when Alex Jones and others blame Great Britian and the bankers, it is just another attack on the once mighty empire that helped spread the truth
Jesuitfinder 4 months ago
@Jesuitfinder "Protestant England was taking the gospel to the world"
*Correction* Protestant England was taking "its opinion" to the world.
Here endeth the lesson!
TheManGadoosh 4 months ago
@Jesuitfinder
"the once mighty empire that helped spread the truth "
Don't kid yourself deary...nothing truthful about what they did or said. Good luck with your SDA cult.
mapollo 4 months ago
@mapollo sda cult? may i ask u my friend whose church is the one whose bowing on idols aka saints whose church got the pagan traditions isnt the roman catholic church aka babylon the harlot the church of blasphemy open ur eyes my friend, the best thing to do is turn ur upon Jesus and u will know the truth and the truth will set u free goodluck on ur spiritual journey
SuperMamba78 3 months ago
@SuperMamba78
Yes. He belongs to the SDA...created in the mid 1800's. Ellen White is their failed 'prophetess' who liked to predict the end of the world. Guess what..we are still here. They also enjoyed spreading lies about the Catholic church, none of them substantiated. They defined their beliefs on what they hate - us. We define our beliefs on the Word of God. You would do well to do the same.
mapollo 3 months ago
@mapollo I love how they always pit Jesus against the Church. And when you point out that their cult didn't exist until Ellen White, they automatically become dunces at subtraction. This hole in the head that they suffer from stops them from seeing that what they are basically saying is is that the gates of hell prevailed against Christ's Church for 1800yrs and therefore Jesus is a liar. Of course, the only liar is Ellen White, as you rightly point out.
TheManGadoosh 3 months ago
@mapollo see how catholics lies elle never predicts the end of the world its william miller nad you said u dwell on the word of God isnt ur belief is more on tradition not the bible we base are are belief in sola sccriptura bro u know who the father of lie is its satan and ur the son of lie baetter st8 up ur accusation cause u sound so funny stay with ur religion and tell God when he comes back what u said here .
SuperMamba78 3 months ago
@SuperMamba78
"elle never predicts the end of the world"
Yes she did.She wrote about it. Spoke about it. And it 's documented. Go to user Bingolly1. He has documented proof SDA and White lied and continues to do so.
Inform yourself.
mapollo 3 months ago
@SuperMamba78 "we base are are belief in sola sccriptura"
That's why you're going wrong.
TheManGadoosh 3 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Sola Scriptura-How would you have done that in the first 4 centuries? And even after that-as most were illiterate.
Besides the Catholic Church compiled the scriptures by the end of the 4th century under Pope Damasus. In fact we were on our 5th Pope before the New Testament was completed & the last apostle John died. Why don't you join us?
You have our book-why not have the church as well?
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@SuperMamba78 I am Roman Catholic & the blood of our martyrs & first 300 years of Popes are the roots of our faith . Pagan-if we were Pagan-why did the Pagan Roman Emperors torture our faithhful duting the early church?
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@SuperMamba78Vulgate The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. | 2008 | COPYRIGHT 1993 The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia Copyright © 2002, Columbia University Press.
Vulgate [Lat. Vulgata editio =common edition], most ancient extant version of the whole Christian Bible . Its name derives from a 13th-century reference to it as the "editio vulgata." The official Latin version of the Roman Catholic Church, it was prepared c.AD 383-AD 405 by St. Jerome (c.342-420) at the request of Pope St. Damasus I
truthfulreply 1 month ago
@SuperMamba78 Why do cherish the bible & attack the church that gave it to us?
truthfulreply 1 month ago