1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
The Republicans want to kill 45,000 people a year. They not only want to kill your Grandma, but your mother and sister and brother too.....or anyone else who the Big Insurance Death Panels decide to knock off when they get sick.
I see you are a Patriot after all. No, I didn't like the policies of any of those Presidents I mentioned below. I'm a Conservative. However I shutter to think of what would have happened to America had Gore been app Prez instead of Bush. I defend Bush only because he new how to listen to his Generals and did. This kept America safe while he was in office. MakBot, plz delete your comment. I fought for America in the 60's & I'd fight for her today & I'm in my 60'sGod Bless America!!!
BTW while I'm at it if Obama gets this health care bill past and anyone who doesn't buy into it, buy health Insurance are fined somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500,00. It was going to be around $3500.00. Also you can get time in lock-up as well. Anyone who has broken the Constitution needs to be delt with by our justice system. Not the governments justice system OUR's. Why do you think Gitmo was closed? Why did he even suggest these terrorist be tried in America. This will expose CIA,FBI &All
I see, you don't watch the news, read the paper, listen to the radio or Google before you type a reply to the topic in question at least. I love America and want her back with the Constitution still in tact. How much do/did you love and respect Bush, Clinton, Carter, Ford, Nixon and not to forget Republican Abe Lincoln? Do you know the Democrats founded/started the KKK? Look it up, & find out why and how the Democrats have used/manipulated Minorities since the 1860's. Go back to school.
Travis, If you love America and want her back with the Constitution still intact, then can I assume you were just as outraged with Mr. Bush's presidency (and also opposed the politics of Clinton, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and Lincoln for that matter since you bring them up)? And yes, I'm well aware of the Democrats' history (and current practice) of manipulating race relations to their political advantage. I'm also aware of Republicans doing the same thing.
Find some dirt on Obama like found on Tiger Woods and...We can shit can this asinine before he can RAM this Hi Dollar Health Care down our throats,,, Who knows??? Maybe we can soon get rid of all his CZARS...Hillary and that stupid VP and all below them...Cross your fingers...You may have to die under Obama's Health program if he manages to run it through...The American people who DON'T WANT IT...We can't afford it folks!!! Put this asinine in Gitmo where he tried to shut down. He's a terrorist
We know nothing about Obama. Never did he show his real birth certificate. He bows before kings like he was their subject. He claims to be a Muslim. He lied about his preacherman of 20 years and been caught in many more. He's broken the Constitution by buying car companies, mortguage firms ETC... with tax payers money. He's bankrupting our country. He blames Bush for his short comings. He has no business experiance. That health care and taking our guns will leave us open for envasion.
@Travisab1 Taking your guns? What the fuck are you on about? Check in to a hospital quickly. Obama hasn't even TOUCHED guns. I know, I'm a proud AR12 owner.
@dglass81 He loves America and Islam. 200 million dollars a day? Even if you are a leftist you can’t approve that. No, he'll not be coming after our guns. As a matter of concern. I'm thinking that's what’s left of the Democrats will see to it that he remains hidden in the WH 'til he either gets impeached or his reign of terror for America is over in 2012. Don't hold that against me. I'd like to get those 200 million dollar welfare checks he's getting too.
I can't believe I'm now in a position where I have to defend this man. Mr. Obama is the duly elected President of the United States and I think, generally speaking, an intelligent, considerate man. I just happen to disagree with his socialist style agenda. He is NOT a terrorist and he certainly does not belong in Gitmo. And you, sir, give a bad name to the rest of us who oppose his agenda when you write crap like that. So please stop.
We need Socialized Health Care because Congress is now filled with Commies and they're gonna shove it down our throats because they RULE!!! Hello Democrats!!! you, your kid's and their kid's kid's will pay for your stupid short coming's belief's. Now...stick that in your butt's and whistle Dixie you bunch of commie lookin' asinine pieces of crap. Only GOD can make a tree but democommies will burn it to the ground in the name of green peace/pea's. Some are born stupid. Democrats work hard to be.
Cut of Medicare by $500 Billion OKed by liberal big gov't loving AARP (elders association) who hated GOP for not growing bigger Medicare and called sameness "cuts". H.R. 3961, the Medicare Physicians Payment Rates Reform Act, passed House w/ only Republican vote ( Michael Burgess, R-TX MFSOB), amends the rate of pay for MDs serving Medicare patients. Strong arms in charge are messing up and the American public will pay through the nose for sloppy mismanaged care. Micturation on the lot of them!
In '08 and the 1st 4 mos of '09 the leftest folks thought Obama was the answer to America's problems. NOW, look at the Democrats that voted for him. Most say they voted for McCain and not Obama. Kinda funny ain't it? Too bad the folks back before TV and Radio talk show hosts were not warned of the leaders of these United States. NOW we know what our prez is doing and what he had for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Good to be in the know ain't it???
I should tell you why the headshrink thought I might be crazy...I'm from Texas. I told her that lincoln got over 600,000 of his fellow Americans killed back in the 1860's and should not be praised but considered a WAR LORD and be classified as a terrorist for all the termoil he and his henchmen caused to these United before he got into office States. When he saw the Southern states leaving the Union he should have resigned prez and let the next in line become prez. I was dramatized by her reply
I had to quit seein my head shrinker because I made a statement that she didn't agree with...I was told she had the athority to have me confined...(arrested under hospital care for who knows how long). Soooo, now I can't talk freely to my headshrink. Kinda sucks huh? Now I have to deal with depression on my own. The internet has a few help spots in this field but not like 1 on 1 with a headshrink that cares 4 U. I'm not satisfied with my doc at the VA either. I change, I'm makin waves.
@weffie1 Hmm... YET, veterans LOVE IT overwhelmingly and don't go bankrupt when they get sick. So, uhhhh... yeah depends what you want out of a health care system.
You realize Americans pay 33% more than ANY OTHER COUNTRY (taking into account taxes paid by socialized countries, etc) and receive sub-par healthcare compared to them? The US ranks 24th in overall health care.
So even if you don't support universal health care, WHY SHOULD YOU BE PAYING MORE? It needs fixing and the new bill helps
This is ridiculous. Public Option will eliminate the middlemen (insurance companies) NOT providers (your private doctors and hospitals). This video is intentionally trying to confuse the uninformed with disinfo.
Roark86 Yes. Can you imagine if the DMV was run by corporations instead? The profit margins just to get a driver's license and auto tag would be prohibiitve for the average working American to be able to drive.
@larsolfen1 Social security isn't a business. It's a recycling fund that outpays to it's contributors. A ponzi scheme only pays out to the runner and not to it's investors. So, yes, it's essentially a ponzi scheme, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Do you even know what the tax rate is in Sweden? 31.42%, and for that they receive: free college, free health care, and free welfare.
That's what happens when you don't spend everything on supporting wars. You can have a better life!
That's funny stuff. Although I despise insurance companies and the mess they have made of health care, introducing a government version of it will simply make things even worse for patients.
This is too funny!! Love it!! If anyone has any questions as to how well the government can run health care just ask one of our vets!! They wait, and wait, and wait, and wait and wait, for every little test or procedure. The government has already screwed that up how do any logical Americans think they will do any better with the whole country under their control!!!!
The H1N1 flu vaccine is a prime example of how the feds can screw up a simple task. Obama promised access to the vaccination, yet only 1/3 of the projected amount was available to the public by flu season. The bill, HR 3200 allows Obama to appoint a lot of his cronies WITHOUT SENATE approval into high level commissioner positions, and there's no legal verbiage to change things once it's passed. Malpractice litigation is a $30BILLION dollar a year business for lawyers, ergo no TORT REFORM.
Good video. I believe adjustments should be made in the U.S. healthcare system but this current 2,000 page healthcare bill or anything else that will expand the government is not the answer at all. In fact, we could get better results from a combination of such adjustments like tort reform and revising the tax laws so that employees who buy individual health insurance qualify for the same or similar tax benefits as an employer who buys health insurance for his/her employees.
Get rid of Third Party Payer insurance uncompetitive over regulated companies, and NO,...Big Government is not the answer. Government will be Third Party Payer from hell.
I hope you Obama supporters are satisfied. You don't buy insurance you get five years in prision and a heafty fine. This is going to hurt the young people almost as much as th elderly. I'd like to see your smug faces when the judge slaps a mandatory five year sentance on your butts for not having insurance. You'll pay through the nose for the rest of your lives for putting that non American in office. That's not to mention the fine that will be well over $1,000. Heh, heh.
I don't understand why people find private education as a problem? It seems to teach kids better than public and also imagine the amount of money we'd save by not funding all these public schools.
You are right let's privatize everything. No more K-12 education unless families can afford it on their own.
End the government employment mandate of requiring to offer health insurance to their employees, each person must buy their own individual insurance plan.
Let's also get rid of social security and have people just do their own savings and if they don't have enough money for their retirement then it is too bad for them.
Also let's get rid of the entire safety net. No more food stamps.
This is such a softball response. Govt. handling and teachers unions strangling hold on education is degrading our ed system every day.
Medical assistance from companies was the result of wage control during wwII. It grew as a way to attract workers. The govt. screwed it up by mandating requirements (pregnancy coverage for females even if the female is over 60) that are onerous to the business.
SS was screwed the moment GOVT took the funds and put that money in the general fund.
It is the fact that people BELIEVE the govt will take care of them will be there when they retire that dooms them to a life equal to that of a pauper. If they had prepared on their own, they would be much better off.
No one is talking about removing safety nets. But, how long does a citizen get to "languish" on the safety net? Get your rear up and be productive, use a talent, PROVIDE for your OWN well being!
Besides, govt. picks & chooses winners to benefit the party, not the individual.
Luinreg...I worked as a Merchant Marine for 30 odd years under two Unions...NMU and I think SIU of SFU...Sea Ferrer Union,,,(sp) also worked without the union in non union stuff. I tried to get retirement benifits from them. A lawyer would cost me over $250.00 an hour...Wellllll, that quickly went South. NOW makin' less than $800.00 a month on SS...if it weren't for food stamps, and being a Veteran not having to pay Co-pay and heating utilities help a month I'd be living under a bridge somewhere
Which is exactly my point. A social safety net for a society to exist is needed. Rugged individualism does not exist anymore since there is no more expansion of land and building new towns.
Most people in our society wouldn't even be working poor if it were not for social welfare programs that everyone funds with taxes. But now that we nickel and dime everything we are starving the very government that creates our society.
Luinreg, in 1900, the size of the federal government was roughly 3% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product. Today, it is close to 30%! How much is enough?
And health care used to be 0% of GDP back during the 1900's. An entire century with an ever changing society gives me enough perspective.
Also we all know this video is skewed. The captains of the health industry make 10 billion dollars a year in salary and that is excluding their stock. Their industry is very muscular taking up 18% GDP in our country.
So, the greatest country in the world that defeated the Axis powers was what size? Uh around 70% government run, socialized for the war effort. It's not the size of the government that matters, it's whether the policies work.
Yeah pretty sure you are overstepping what I said. If anything Europeans have shown us as their education is considered better than ours and they do things such as school vouchers and have more private schools that it proves to be more efficient.
Protecting private property from harm by others is the very basic purpose of government. That's the primary reason people get together to form a government in any society. So no to privatizing police (protection from domestic harm) and army (protection from foreign harm). But transportation? Education? Sure, I'm fine with taking it out of government's inefficient, failing hands.
@dawoool I'm guessing you pay for health care. If nothing else, why would you want a private financial firm in between you and your doctor? I would much rather the government than Wall Streeters.
@dglass81 Darn right I do! And by the way, health care is more than medical care. It is how you care for your own health. I don't smoke, drink, or eat fast food. I get plenty of exercise and sleep. As a result, I have had little need for doctors. Why should I have my already excessive taxes raised even more so some 300 pound, chain-smoking, beer guzzling couch potato can have a $70,000 bypass surgery, then go home and trash the surgeon's meticulous work by resuming his self-destructive life?
@dawoool It's not the fact that you have any need for a doctor, it's the fact that later you will. Not everyone that needs healthcare is inherently unhealthy. My friends appendix burst the other day and he's a college football player. So, yeah, go find some arguments that are based in rational thinking please. Correlation is not cause and effect.
@dglass81 I had knee surgery when young and fit. My private insurance paid for most of it. The out-of-pocket expenses were considerable, but I paid them. And it was worth it; my knee hasn't bothered me since. But you didn't even attempt to answer my question, so I will rephrase it: Why should people who take care of themselves be forced at gunpoint to subsidize medical expenses that people who don't take care of themselves KNOWINGLY generate by their undisciplined, irresponsible behavior?
@dawoool You assume that undisciplined irresponsible behavior is the prime reason for medical expense increases. That's not based on anything other than you're own assumptions. BTW, you already ARE paying for them. When they don't pay their premiums, guess who's goes up in a private health insurance system? Yours. Not the taxpayers, your own premiums so they can cover the cost of the under/non-insured.
@dawoool You should be taking your self-interest into account more. As more people pay into your pool, it increases it's ability to pay out more and cover expenses, so the vast majority of premiums lower as a result. The main reason the private health care system isn't working is that it's not mandatory. This health care law requires people to obtain it, which helps payers like yourself. YOU'RE SUBSIDIZING under/uninsured through your premiums already. This just makes the healthy contribute.
@dawoool For example, someone goes to the hospital and receives care and doesn't pay, and doesn't have insurance. Who flips the bill? The owner of the hospital (could be a health insurance company or someone else) they forward those unexpected costs onto the people who are PAYING through rate +'s. Thus, if people are required to obtain even minimal amounts of insurance, which the bill requires, then the insurance pool has a greater ability to handle these unexpected costs by the uninsured.
@dglass81 Correlation is not cause and effect? By that logic you must believe that it's just a coincidence that 98% of people with emphysema are smokers.
@dawoool Not a hard concept. Correlation does not necessarily mean cause and effect.
For example: just because all serial killers mutilated animals as small children, doesn't mean that all small children who mutilated animals turn out to be serial killers.
@dawoool For sure man! There are many times when it does. But that must be critically examined and other influences sought. That book Freakonomics is a good example of alternate explanations for why certain trends occur, and The Tipping Point.
I always thought lower taxes = more prosperous economy. Well, if that's the case, then why isn't Germany in a deep recession or have high unemployment right now?
Thats why I've come to realize that simple explanations often never solve complex issues.
Yeah you lib half-truther (redundant, I know), because gov't regulation prohibits it! Get gov't out of the way, let insurers compete and we have a market like personal auto - very competitive with reasonable rates.
Private industry MUST show a profit or they go out of business. When the government gives out more vote-buying health care handouts than they take in, they just add it to putting the National Debt. The private sector soon goes under because it can't compete with a business that is allowed to operate terminally in red ink. Now they sock it to the tax payers who are now dependent on the govt for their very lives via controlling health care.
This is why private can't compete with government.
@rebelcard The private industry can always compete with the government. There are tons of examples of public/private hybrid health insurance systems. Australia for one has a very successful healthcare system and it only takes 1% of salary annually in taxes to maintain it. Wise up!
Wouldn't it just be easier and A LOT cheaper to simply remove the state barriers restricting insurance portability? Isn't that exactly what the interstate commerce clause is for?
This video underlines the prolem we have with the so-called public option, it won't enhance competition as its defenders claim but in fact stifle it as the gov. can print endless amounts of money to finance themselves not to mention be excempt for the taxes on the high cost health plans. Will the Congress tax their own health plan, naaaaaah.
dear americans. please ask anyone from scotland, england, france, sweden, netherlands, australia, finland, belgium, denmark, germany, norway, canada, or any other country with public health care, if they would rather keep their public system, or move towards the overexpensive, underperforming shit stain that is the american system of russian roulette health care. please look outside your own country for answers for once. it really is better over here.
I have actually talked to a few people from England, Canada, Australia, and Japan. Some like their systems. Some don't.
You do of course, realize that the only reason you even have access to advanced medicine (aside from the fact that you have forced your neighbor to pay your bill) is that our free market produces it.
But whatever, I'm glad you enjoy your system. Please don't try to impose that disaster-in-waiting over here.
@Roark86 disaster waiting to happen? the US spends twice as much as a percentage of GDP on its health care system, as the other OECD countries, yet always finishes last in the health performance tables. General Motors and Chrysler have already been casualties, as well as the countless thousands of individuals who have 'fallen through the cracks' as you guys like to put it. Yet with 17.6% GDP spending, and rising, it's only 9% elsewhere, yet it is our system that is a disaster waiting to happen?
Ross - depends on how you measure it. Because of excessive claims costs and gov't regulation - bureaucarcy - insurers are strapped. Look up "combined ratio" - expenses plus claims over premiums. Most insurers run in the negative! Put fraudulent claimants in jail and ditch the gov't red-tape and you get reasonable premiums. Also, make doctors publish rates, ie, compete and costs go down. Stop looking to the gove't to solve your problems for you. That's why USSR FAILED! Say NO to socialism
insurance industry has never made a single medical advancement in history. Its a do nothing, make nothing industry.
Medical advancements are made at government funded universities or pharmaceutical companies... and this healthcare bill has nothing to do with the pharmaceutical companies.
Really? so govt made aspirin? made the polio vaccine? made cancer treatments available to the masses? if you think so, you are a TARD! most advances happen from companies wanting to make a profit! that is good, this makes us want to become better, and leave behind neanderthals that want it all with no work. now as for other countries being "better" in the health field, it is NOT TRUE! in govt run health systems world wide they count child death rates differently then private run countries do!
Yea really. Polio and aspirin were funded by non profit organizations.
But even the drug advancements that do come out of the private sector, come from the pharmaceutical companies... not from the health insurance industry.
@krsplsh No they don't. Where are you getting these "facts"?
There have been serious scientific jumps in medical technologies in the last few years and they are all coming from OUTSIDE the USA. Germany, Sweden, Australia and the UK.
It's funny that you say that, given that people from THOSE countries are streaming into our hospitals to get care. In fact, the People's Republic of Canada was SHIPPING patients into Seattle just last year to try to ease up on the backlog.
It's definitely better over here. And there's this little thing called immigration that proves it.
No, people, like my father (who grew up in utter poverty in Egypt in a place that you would only see on National Geographic) come here for the opportunities afforded by a generally free market that is becoming less and less free with each new bill Congress passes (especially this one).
@Yildun28 Where do you get that from? hahahaa Health care is never a problem for the mega rich. We're discussing middle-class average Americans. Rich people fly ALL AROUND THE WORLD to get the best health care in whatever specific medical niche they need. Thousands come to Australia and Singapore for specialized treatments. Correlation does not equal cause and effect.
I discussed public healthcare with my Lloyd's brokers and some Canadians. Each thought national health in their countries was a joke. For example, a lady in Canada had to have a knee replaced. The wait was about 4 years to complete the tests and surgery. She flew to the USA and had the whole procedure done in a week. I like my private healthcare. Obamacare will be the ruination of America as we know it and that is very scary.
@cheaterfive100 If you can PAY the hospital directly then there is no problem. It's people who pay for medical insurance and then never get what they pay for.
You're intelligence is articulated well when you made up a word: ruination. HAHAHAHA
xzxoxlx, if you have a problem with a corporation you can sue them. As a matter of fact if it's a big enough deal, lawers will be lining up to represent you for free just for the publicity. However if you have a problem with the government what are you going to do. You have no recourse but to try to get the offending party out of office by the next election.
Like in the video, they become not only the competition but the ref as well. With government healthcare they make the rules too.
Just the fact that virtually none (if any) of our "representatives" are willing to give up their healthcare plan for Obamacare is yet another reason to question this disaster in the making. They also have their own special social security plan, don't send their kids to public schools, likely don't use public housing, etc. etc. Us little people are expected to enjoy the tiny crumbs of candy left on the stick from the lollipop they stole from us and already bit into I guess.
This video only discusses one very specific point against current health care reform proposals. If it's the best you can find, then there must not be a lot of good videos on this issue.
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What's the difference between government running health care and private insurance running health care? I'd rather my money going to the government than corporate bullshit raising costs for everyone. The people can elect or get elected into the government to change the way business is done. I can't say the same with private corporations.
@xzxoxlx : So if I don't like the care from my government monopoly, what? I run for president or Congress? You have no choice with a government monopoly. In a free market, which we don't have now, I can drop my carrier and go with someone else. There are over 1,000 insurance companies in this country, but we don't have access to them because the Feds forbid it, and we buy insurance through our work because that's the way the Feds set it up 50 years ago. Change that and we have competition.
@dinojake02 Private insurance companies can run a parallel system offering faster service, better hospitals, etc for a premium. The problem is not the government, the problem is a cartel, a monopoly of health insurance companies.
The solution is public/private insurance options. That drives competition. All health care is not equal. Many socialised health care systems worldwide have a private system that offers premium services.
The officials running the government health care will not be elected. They will be appointed by the government to run this program. The ones most corrupt will be the ones appointed. Not the most productive or efficient. The most corrupt. What can you say now?
the insurance companies aren't private. The government runs their companies through mandates, regulations, etc. so the companies are fundamentally arms of the state.
The fact is Government makes laws - The lawmaker can not compete in a FAIR free enterprise system. That is called CORPORATISM the economic system of the Fascists. One step removed from socialism.
BY THE WAY ObamaCare Friends - Lets say your savior loses in 2012 to Jeb Bush - Would you feel the same about Government controlling your healthcare?
Wow these are the dumbest examples of government competition - Comparing USPS to Fed Ex? Because Fed Ex and UPS can't deliver regular mail by law - Real good example of competition - eliminating competition! Cabbies and Limos to buses and trains? REALLY Thats like saying - look Nintendo didnt shut down when Microsoft took over the PC market. Stoopid. They are not the same industry classification just because they are transportation.
@politicalmediainc How hasn't it made a dime? People pay for tickets lol You mean profit? Well, profit is different and all a government has to do is break even.
Great video... this is exactly what happened with the USPS, drove fedex and UPS out of business... they play by their own rules and private companies cant compete!
Actually, the USPS still has many special privileges including: sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. UPS and FedEx are only allowed to compete in certain specified areas. Imagine how much lower costs could be across the board if the post office's monopoly privileges were eliminated entirely.
I dont think UPS or fedex want to deliver first class mail... the fact that nobody sends it anymore is the reason the post office is having financial woes. Its not even a profitable service anymore thanks to email.
I would agree there isnt a need for it. Unless you can tell me the name of the act that made it illegal... its probably over 100 years old and something that made sense at the time for whatever reason.
When the government pays for our health care, the government decides what we get or don't get. We lose control of our most personal decisions. Screw that! I'll take my chances with the free market, which is plenty flawed, but at least it gives me choices that aren't laid out by Big Stupid Bureaucrat. You really want Obama to decide your treatment? Maybe you love Obama, but will you love/trust the next president? Americans, you turn these personal decisions over to the government at your peril!
@MaynardGK Not true. In a democracy, you choose. You can vote people in that will get you more of those benefits. BTW, Medicare has the highest approval rating of any medical insurance in this country.
@dglass81 1st off we are NOT a democracy, we were never meant to be a democracy, and democracies are not GOOD (just like a lynch mob is a democracy, but is not good)! we are a republic that is governed by rules and laws.
I am not saying you are correct by allowing the government to force everyone to buy insurance though. the govt should NEVER force anyone to buy anything! that is what a free society's choice should be.
As far as I can see this bill would force insurance companies to stop abusing their customers and provide real service as opposed to this collusion I see now with the industry raising rates consistently and with inflation available funds keep slipping away. I find it interesting Ben that when we met you were the liberal and I was the conservative... it looks as though our roles have switched.
Its a great rhetoric but we see examples everyday where government competes with private and private wins out because they have to if they wanna stay profitable. Cab and limousine companies didnt shut down over night when city buses and trains became available. Welfare programs did not kill the workforce.
Or maybe the cab and limo services survived because the public transport did not offer a good service as for welfare changes in 1996 madated that welfare recipents find jobs or find their benefits cut.
say you run a pizza place. next door govt pizza shows up. they DO NOT EVER have to show profit. they cut their prices. you have the best pizza in town, and can still stay open. govt pizza sees this and passes a law that you HAVE to follow. they do not have to follow and can stay open. you, on the other hand, are forced to close down til you can fi the "problem". govt pizza still under sells their food compared to you. you close down b/c you cant compete against a non profit showing shop
Wouldn't it be great if we lived in a society, where government was responsive to people, and people put there was the product of the wishes of everyone. But, I guess since we don't, government is a big nasty thing which calls its own shots and benefits only itself.
It's amazing that we constantly have to re-learn the lessons of the past. George Washington was very clear on the nature of government: "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
While the utopian delusions of all the wonderful things government can do sound great, they always end up FAR overbudget and often do more harm than good. The sooner we grow up and accept it, the better off we will all be.
Unless people in a free society voluntarily do what they need to, in order to insure that the nation remain strong, they are at risk of losing their freedom, and have the government do things for them that they fail to do for themselves.
What was said of government can also be said of markets to. Markets are a force, and not reason and are certainly not eloquent.
Great Video - We need to pass this around to everyone we know. This demonstrates the fundamental problem with Government Competition - The rule maker can not be a competitor, period.
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1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
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The Republicans want to kill 45,000 people a year. They not only want to kill your Grandma, but your mother and sister and brother too.....or anyone else who the Big Insurance Death Panels decide to knock off when they get sick.
thomasjefferson4u 1 year ago 2
REPEAL the TAX & JAIL Mandate bill nobody wants..
hadenufnow 2 years ago 3
@hadenufnow Jail? WTF are you talking about willis! It's a small fine with the IRS geezzzuz
dglass81 1 year ago
Kill the 3000 pg mandate HC Trojan Horse Bill nobody wants..
Kill this bill..
Vote em out...
Nobody wants it,,
hadenufnow 2 years ago 4
Hello Roark;
I see you are a Patriot after all. No, I didn't like the policies of any of those Presidents I mentioned below. I'm a Conservative. However I shutter to think of what would have happened to America had Gore been app Prez instead of Bush. I defend Bush only because he new how to listen to his Generals and did. This kept America safe while he was in office. MakBot, plz delete your comment. I fought for America in the 60's & I'd fight for her today & I'm in my 60'sGod Bless America!!!
Travisab1 2 years ago
How dare you tell me to delete my campaign message for Chick-fil-a! Head down fo Chick-fil-a and put a Cock in your mouth today!
MakBot 2 years ago
Do you really eat Southern Fried Rooster??? LOL Stewed maybe for me. Rooster's are TUFF.
Travisab1 2 years ago
BTW while I'm at it if Obama gets this health care bill past and anyone who doesn't buy into it, buy health Insurance are fined somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500,00. It was going to be around $3500.00. Also you can get time in lock-up as well. Anyone who has broken the Constitution needs to be delt with by our justice system. Not the governments justice system OUR's. Why do you think Gitmo was closed? Why did he even suggest these terrorist be tried in America. This will expose CIA,FBI &All
Travisab1 2 years ago
cock in mouth
MakBot 2 years ago
@Travisab1 well, looks like it's more likely to be around $150 hahaha dumbass believing everything you read online or on Foxnews
dglass81 1 year ago
Roark;
I see, you don't watch the news, read the paper, listen to the radio or Google before you type a reply to the topic in question at least. I love America and want her back with the Constitution still in tact. How much do/did you love and respect Bush, Clinton, Carter, Ford, Nixon and not to forget Republican Abe Lincoln? Do you know the Democrats founded/started the KKK? Look it up, & find out why and how the Democrats have used/manipulated Minorities since the 1860's. Go back to school.
Travisab1 2 years ago
Travis, If you love America and want her back with the Constitution still intact, then can I assume you were just as outraged with Mr. Bush's presidency (and also opposed the politics of Clinton, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and Lincoln for that matter since you bring them up)? And yes, I'm well aware of the Democrats' history (and current practice) of manipulating race relations to their political advantage. I'm also aware of Republicans doing the same thing.
Roark86 2 years ago
Find some dirt on Obama like found on Tiger Woods and...We can shit can this asinine before he can RAM this Hi Dollar Health Care down our throats,,, Who knows??? Maybe we can soon get rid of all his CZARS...Hillary and that stupid VP and all below them...Cross your fingers...You may have to die under Obama's Health program if he manages to run it through...The American people who DON'T WANT IT...We can't afford it folks!!! Put this asinine in Gitmo where he tried to shut down. He's a terrorist
Travisab1 2 years ago
Travis, I have no love for Mr. Obama and I fully oppose this government health care insanity but I'm pretty sure I don't agree with THAT.
Roark86 2 years ago
Roark;
We know nothing about Obama. Never did he show his real birth certificate. He bows before kings like he was their subject. He claims to be a Muslim. He lied about his preacherman of 20 years and been caught in many more. He's broken the Constitution by buying car companies, mortguage firms ETC... with tax payers money. He's bankrupting our country. He blames Bush for his short comings. He has no business experiance. That health care and taking our guns will leave us open for envasion.
Travisab1 2 years ago
@Travisab1 Taking your guns? What the fuck are you on about? Check in to a hospital quickly. Obama hasn't even TOUCHED guns. I know, I'm a proud AR12 owner.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 He loves America and Islam. 200 million dollars a day? Even if you are a leftist you can’t approve that. No, he'll not be coming after our guns. As a matter of concern. I'm thinking that's what’s left of the Democrats will see to it that he remains hidden in the WH 'til he either gets impeached or his reign of terror for America is over in 2012. Don't hold that against me. I'd like to get those 200 million dollar welfare checks he's getting too.
Travisab1 1 year ago
I can't believe I'm now in a position where I have to defend this man. Mr. Obama is the duly elected President of the United States and I think, generally speaking, an intelligent, considerate man. I just happen to disagree with his socialist style agenda. He is NOT a terrorist and he certainly does not belong in Gitmo. And you, sir, give a bad name to the rest of us who oppose his agenda when you write crap like that. So please stop.
Roark86 2 years ago
We need Socialized Health Care because Congress is now filled with Commies and they're gonna shove it down our throats because they RULE!!! Hello Democrats!!! you, your kid's and their kid's kid's will pay for your stupid short coming's belief's. Now...stick that in your butt's and whistle Dixie you bunch of commie lookin' asinine pieces of crap. Only GOD can make a tree but democommies will burn it to the ground in the name of green peace/pea's. Some are born stupid. Democrats work hard to be.
Travisab1 2 years ago
Cut of Medicare by $500 Billion OKed by liberal big gov't loving AARP (elders association) who hated GOP for not growing bigger Medicare and called sameness "cuts". H.R. 3961, the Medicare Physicians Payment Rates Reform Act, passed House w/ only Republican vote ( Michael Burgess, R-TX MFSOB), amends the rate of pay for MDs serving Medicare patients. Strong arms in charge are messing up and the American public will pay through the nose for sloppy mismanaged care. Micturation on the lot of them!
XianSlader 2 years ago 3
In '08 and the 1st 4 mos of '09 the leftest folks thought Obama was the answer to America's problems. NOW, look at the Democrats that voted for him. Most say they voted for McCain and not Obama. Kinda funny ain't it? Too bad the folks back before TV and Radio talk show hosts were not warned of the leaders of these United States. NOW we know what our prez is doing and what he had for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Good to be in the know ain't it???
Travisab1 2 years ago
I should tell you why the headshrink thought I might be crazy...I'm from Texas. I told her that lincoln got over 600,000 of his fellow Americans killed back in the 1860's and should not be praised but considered a WAR LORD and be classified as a terrorist for all the termoil he and his henchmen caused to these United before he got into office States. When he saw the Southern states leaving the Union he should have resigned prez and let the next in line become prez. I was dramatized by her reply
Travisab1 2 years ago
I have yet to see a better illustration of this situation! Wonderful job Pillcast!!!! I follwed a link the Patriot Post has to it.
the1response 2 years ago
If anyone wants a good look at government run health care, look at the VA where health care is too often delayed, subpar, and yes, rationalized.
The solution to health care problems is more competition, not more government.
weffie1 2 years ago 2
Weffie;
I had to quit seein my head shrinker because I made a statement that she didn't agree with...I was told she had the athority to have me confined...(arrested under hospital care for who knows how long). Soooo, now I can't talk freely to my headshrink. Kinda sucks huh? Now I have to deal with depression on my own. The internet has a few help spots in this field but not like 1 on 1 with a headshrink that cares 4 U. I'm not satisfied with my doc at the VA either. I change, I'm makin waves.
Travisab1 2 years ago
@weffie1 Hmm... YET, veterans LOVE IT overwhelmingly and don't go bankrupt when they get sick. So, uhhhh... yeah depends what you want out of a health care system.
You realize Americans pay 33% more than ANY OTHER COUNTRY (taking into account taxes paid by socialized countries, etc) and receive sub-par healthcare compared to them? The US ranks 24th in overall health care.
So even if you don't support universal health care, WHY SHOULD YOU BE PAYING MORE? It needs fixing and the new bill helps
dglass81 1 year ago
This is ridiculous. Public Option will eliminate the middlemen (insurance companies) NOT providers (your private doctors and hospitals). This video is intentionally trying to confuse the uninformed with disinfo.
Yankhadenough 2 years ago
Are you suggesting that one giant DMV style government insurance company is preferable?
Roark86 2 years ago
Roark86 Yes. Can you imagine if the DMV was run by corporations instead? The profit margins just to get a driver's license and auto tag would be prohibiitve for the average working American to be able to drive.
Yankhadenough 2 years ago
Yankhadenough, you mean like how nobody can afford TVs, radios, or cell phones (nevermind actual cars)?
Heck, by your logic, if government is so great, why not just have them run everything?
Roark86 2 years ago
@Roark86 Because healthcare isn't the same as a consumer product moron.
dglass81 1 year ago
Yes, you dull ignorant clod, I can imagine the DMV being run as a business. It would probably be efficient.
If you want to support another ponzi scheme like social security with confiscatory taxation then go to sweden.
larsolfen1 2 years ago
@larsolfen1 Social security isn't a business. It's a recycling fund that outpays to it's contributors. A ponzi scheme only pays out to the runner and not to it's investors. So, yes, it's essentially a ponzi scheme, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Do you even know what the tax rate is in Sweden? 31.42%, and for that they receive: free college, free health care, and free welfare.
That's what happens when you don't spend everything on supporting wars. You can have a better life!
dglass81 1 year ago
@Yankhadenough Agreed! I can't believe the blatant IGNORANCE in these comments.
dglass81 1 year ago
That's funny stuff. Although I despise insurance companies and the mess they have made of health care, introducing a government version of it will simply make things even worse for patients.
FriderikD 2 years ago
@FriderikD Why?
dglass81 1 year ago
This is too funny!! Love it!! If anyone has any questions as to how well the government can run health care just ask one of our vets!! They wait, and wait, and wait, and wait and wait, for every little test or procedure. The government has already screwed that up how do any logical Americans think they will do any better with the whole country under their control!!!!
losnlee02 2 years ago
The H1N1 flu vaccine is a prime example of how the feds can screw up a simple task. Obama promised access to the vaccination, yet only 1/3 of the projected amount was available to the public by flu season. The bill, HR 3200 allows Obama to appoint a lot of his cronies WITHOUT SENATE approval into high level commissioner positions, and there's no legal verbiage to change things once it's passed. Malpractice litigation is a $30BILLION dollar a year business for lawyers, ergo no TORT REFORM.
chipintime 2 years ago
@chipintime $30 billion in a $1.1 trillion dollar industry doesn't make much of a difference to your premiums bud.
dglass81 1 year ago
@losnlee02 Uh.... how is that different than the private health companies? I wait and wait and then get subpar performance anyway or denied outright.
dglass81 1 year ago
Great video! Absolutely true!
SterlingUliso 2 years ago
Good video. I believe adjustments should be made in the U.S. healthcare system but this current 2,000 page healthcare bill or anything else that will expand the government is not the answer at all. In fact, we could get better results from a combination of such adjustments like tort reform and revising the tax laws so that employees who buy individual health insurance qualify for the same or similar tax benefits as an employer who buys health insurance for his/her employees.
Infantry9 2 years ago
Get rid of Third Party Payer insurance uncompetitive over regulated companies, and NO,...Big Government is not the answer. Government will be Third Party Payer from hell.
WhereDidItAllGo7 2 years ago 2
I hope you Obama supporters are satisfied. You don't buy insurance you get five years in prision and a heafty fine. This is going to hurt the young people almost as much as th elderly. I'd like to see your smug faces when the judge slaps a mandatory five year sentance on your butts for not having insurance. You'll pay through the nose for the rest of your lives for putting that non American in office. That's not to mention the fine that will be well over $1,000. Heh, heh.
Travisab1 2 years ago
I don't understand why people find private education as a problem? It seems to teach kids better than public and also imagine the amount of money we'd save by not funding all these public schools.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago 3
You are right let's privatize everything. No more K-12 education unless families can afford it on their own.
End the government employment mandate of requiring to offer health insurance to their employees, each person must buy their own individual insurance plan.
Let's also get rid of social security and have people just do their own savings and if they don't have enough money for their retirement then it is too bad for them.
Also let's get rid of the entire safety net. No more food stamps.
Luinreg 2 years ago
This is such a softball response. Govt. handling and teachers unions strangling hold on education is degrading our ed system every day.
Medical assistance from companies was the result of wage control during wwII. It grew as a way to attract workers. The govt. screwed it up by mandating requirements (pregnancy coverage for females even if the female is over 60) that are onerous to the business.
SS was screwed the moment GOVT took the funds and put that money in the general fund.
infinitewisdom4u 2 years ago
It is the fact that people BELIEVE the govt will take care of them will be there when they retire that dooms them to a life equal to that of a pauper. If they had prepared on their own, they would be much better off.
No one is talking about removing safety nets. But, how long does a citizen get to "languish" on the safety net? Get your rear up and be productive, use a talent, PROVIDE for your OWN well being!
Besides, govt. picks & chooses winners to benefit the party, not the individual.
infinitewisdom4u 2 years ago
Luinreg...I worked as a Merchant Marine for 30 odd years under two Unions...NMU and I think SIU of SFU...Sea Ferrer Union,,,(sp) also worked without the union in non union stuff. I tried to get retirement benifits from them. A lawyer would cost me over $250.00 an hour...Wellllll, that quickly went South. NOW makin' less than $800.00 a month on SS...if it weren't for food stamps, and being a Veteran not having to pay Co-pay and heating utilities help a month I'd be living under a bridge somewhere
Travisab1 2 years ago
Which is exactly my point. A social safety net for a society to exist is needed. Rugged individualism does not exist anymore since there is no more expansion of land and building new towns.
Most people in our society wouldn't even be working poor if it were not for social welfare programs that everyone funds with taxes. But now that we nickel and dime everything we are starving the very government that creates our society.
Luinreg 2 years ago
Luinreg, in 1900, the size of the federal government was roughly 3% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product. Today, it is close to 30%! How much is enough?
Get some perspective, sir. Please.
Roark86 2 years ago
And health care used to be 0% of GDP back during the 1900's. An entire century with an ever changing society gives me enough perspective.
Also we all know this video is skewed. The captains of the health industry make 10 billion dollars a year in salary and that is excluding their stock. Their industry is very muscular taking up 18% GDP in our country.
Luinreg 2 years ago
@Roark86 Uh. That's wildly inaccurate.
So, the greatest country in the world that defeated the Axis powers was what size? Uh around 70% government run, socialized for the war effort. It's not the size of the government that matters, it's whether the policies work.
dglass81 1 year ago
Yeah pretty sure you are overstepping what I said. If anything Europeans have shown us as their education is considered better than ours and they do things such as school vouchers and have more private schools that it proves to be more efficient.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago 4
@ChaoticSouls Or how about we pay for education and not for two wars that nobody gives a shit about?
dglass81 1 year ago
Let's privatize transportation, police, education, fire protection, and the military while we're at it. No socialistic government monopolies :(
b0ner 2 years ago
Protecting private property from harm by others is the very basic purpose of government. That's the primary reason people get together to form a government in any society. So no to privatizing police (protection from domestic harm) and army (protection from foreign harm). But transportation? Education? Sure, I'm fine with taking it out of government's inefficient, failing hands.
Roark86 2 years ago 2
@Roark86 Yeah because the Gilded Age was soooo much better for all Americans. lol
dglass81 1 year ago
those poor, poor, poor insurance companies :(
b0ner 2 years ago
Watch them "crab walk" right into your wallet.
tsimonds2K 2 years ago
@ rossclark:
People emigrate here for the 'lack of socialism", not the "health care". Just trying to help.
BIGA550RGY 2 years ago
I don't want politicians anywhere NEAR my health care!
dawoool 2 years ago 9
@dawoool except your medicare. dumbass
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 Nope.
dawoool 1 year ago
@dawoool I'm guessing you pay for health care. If nothing else, why would you want a private financial firm in between you and your doctor? I would much rather the government than Wall Streeters.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 Darn right I do! And by the way, health care is more than medical care. It is how you care for your own health. I don't smoke, drink, or eat fast food. I get plenty of exercise and sleep. As a result, I have had little need for doctors. Why should I have my already excessive taxes raised even more so some 300 pound, chain-smoking, beer guzzling couch potato can have a $70,000 bypass surgery, then go home and trash the surgeon's meticulous work by resuming his self-destructive life?
dawoool 1 year ago
@dawoool It's not the fact that you have any need for a doctor, it's the fact that later you will. Not everyone that needs healthcare is inherently unhealthy. My friends appendix burst the other day and he's a college football player. So, yeah, go find some arguments that are based in rational thinking please. Correlation is not cause and effect.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 I had knee surgery when young and fit. My private insurance paid for most of it. The out-of-pocket expenses were considerable, but I paid them. And it was worth it; my knee hasn't bothered me since. But you didn't even attempt to answer my question, so I will rephrase it: Why should people who take care of themselves be forced at gunpoint to subsidize medical expenses that people who don't take care of themselves KNOWINGLY generate by their undisciplined, irresponsible behavior?
dawoool 1 year ago
@dawoool You assume that undisciplined irresponsible behavior is the prime reason for medical expense increases. That's not based on anything other than you're own assumptions. BTW, you already ARE paying for them. When they don't pay their premiums, guess who's goes up in a private health insurance system? Yours. Not the taxpayers, your own premiums so they can cover the cost of the under/non-insured.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dawoool You should be taking your self-interest into account more. As more people pay into your pool, it increases it's ability to pay out more and cover expenses, so the vast majority of premiums lower as a result. The main reason the private health care system isn't working is that it's not mandatory. This health care law requires people to obtain it, which helps payers like yourself. YOU'RE SUBSIDIZING under/uninsured through your premiums already. This just makes the healthy contribute.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dawoool For example, someone goes to the hospital and receives care and doesn't pay, and doesn't have insurance. Who flips the bill? The owner of the hospital (could be a health insurance company or someone else) they forward those unexpected costs onto the people who are PAYING through rate +'s. Thus, if people are required to obtain even minimal amounts of insurance, which the bill requires, then the insurance pool has a greater ability to handle these unexpected costs by the uninsured.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 Correlation is not cause and effect? By that logic you must believe that it's just a coincidence that 98% of people with emphysema are smokers.
dawoool 1 year ago
@dawoool Not a hard concept. Correlation does not necessarily mean cause and effect.
For example: just because all serial killers mutilated animals as small children, doesn't mean that all small children who mutilated animals turn out to be serial killers.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 Does with emphysema and smoking.
dawoool 1 year ago
@dawoool For sure man! There are many times when it does. But that must be critically examined and other influences sought. That book Freakonomics is a good example of alternate explanations for why certain trends occur, and The Tipping Point.
I always thought lower taxes = more prosperous economy. Well, if that's the case, then why isn't Germany in a deep recession or have high unemployment right now?
Thats why I've come to realize that simple explanations often never solve complex issues.
dglass81 1 year ago
Yeah you lib half-truther (redundant, I know), because gov't regulation prohibits it! Get gov't out of the way, let insurers compete and we have a market like personal auto - very competitive with reasonable rates.
GaTruth 2 years ago
Private industry MUST show a profit or they go out of business. When the government gives out more vote-buying health care handouts than they take in, they just add it to putting the National Debt. The private sector soon goes under because it can't compete with a business that is allowed to operate terminally in red ink. Now they sock it to the tax payers who are now dependent on the govt for their very lives via controlling health care.
This is why private can't compete with government.
rebelcard 2 years ago 2
@rebelcard The private industry can always compete with the government. There are tons of examples of public/private hybrid health insurance systems. Australia for one has a very successful healthcare system and it only takes 1% of salary annually in taxes to maintain it. Wise up!
dglass81 1 year ago
Wouldn't it just be easier and A LOT cheaper to simply remove the state barriers restricting insurance portability? Isn't that exactly what the interstate commerce clause is for?
Roark86 2 years ago 3
This video underlines the prolem we have with the so-called public option, it won't enhance competition as its defenders claim but in fact stifle it as the gov. can print endless amounts of money to finance themselves not to mention be excempt for the taxes on the high cost health plans. Will the Congress tax their own health plan, naaaaaah.
abarzilai664 2 years ago 2
dear americans. please ask anyone from scotland, england, france, sweden, netherlands, australia, finland, belgium, denmark, germany, norway, canada, or any other country with public health care, if they would rather keep their public system, or move towards the overexpensive, underperforming shit stain that is the american system of russian roulette health care. please look outside your own country for answers for once. it really is better over here.
rossclark 2 years ago
I have actually talked to a few people from England, Canada, Australia, and Japan. Some like their systems. Some don't.
You do of course, realize that the only reason you even have access to advanced medicine (aside from the fact that you have forced your neighbor to pay your bill) is that our free market produces it.
But whatever, I'm glad you enjoy your system. Please don't try to impose that disaster-in-waiting over here.
Roark86 2 years ago 3
@Roark86 disaster waiting to happen? the US spends twice as much as a percentage of GDP on its health care system, as the other OECD countries, yet always finishes last in the health performance tables. General Motors and Chrysler have already been casualties, as well as the countless thousands of individuals who have 'fallen through the cracks' as you guys like to put it. Yet with 17.6% GDP spending, and rising, it's only 9% elsewhere, yet it is our system that is a disaster waiting to happen?
rossclark 2 years ago
Ross - depends on how you measure it. Because of excessive claims costs and gov't regulation - bureaucarcy - insurers are strapped. Look up "combined ratio" - expenses plus claims over premiums. Most insurers run in the negative! Put fraudulent claimants in jail and ditch the gov't red-tape and you get reasonable premiums. Also, make doctors publish rates, ie, compete and costs go down. Stop looking to the gove't to solve your problems for you. That's why USSR FAILED! Say NO to socialism
GaTruth 2 years ago
@GaTruth No they don't. Insurers do not run negative. Hence, their stock prices rising. Wise up!
dglass81 1 year ago
insurance industry has never made a single medical advancement in history. Its a do nothing, make nothing industry.
Medical advancements are made at government funded universities or pharmaceutical companies... and this healthcare bill has nothing to do with the pharmaceutical companies.
mark1m 2 years ago
Really? so govt made aspirin? made the polio vaccine? made cancer treatments available to the masses? if you think so, you are a TARD! most advances happen from companies wanting to make a profit! that is good, this makes us want to become better, and leave behind neanderthals that want it all with no work. now as for other countries being "better" in the health field, it is NOT TRUE! in govt run health systems world wide they count child death rates differently then private run countries do!
krsplsh 2 years ago 2
Yea really. Polio and aspirin were funded by non profit organizations.
But even the drug advancements that do come out of the private sector, come from the pharmaceutical companies... not from the health insurance industry.
mark1m 2 years ago 2
@krsplsh No they don't. Where are you getting these "facts"?
There have been serious scientific jumps in medical technologies in the last few years and they are all coming from OUTSIDE the USA. Germany, Sweden, Australia and the UK.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 through... private companies! for instance bayer found aspirin (to take a look at one I was thinking about)!
krsplsh 1 year ago
@Roark86 Yet, they all would rather their countries than the US health care system. That says alot!
dglass81 1 year ago
It's funny that you say that, given that people from THOSE countries are streaming into our hospitals to get care. In fact, the People's Republic of Canada was SHIPPING patients into Seattle just last year to try to ease up on the backlog.
It's definitely better over here. And there's this little thing called immigration that proves it.
Yildun28 2 years ago
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"It's definitely better over here. And there's this little thing called immigration that proves it."
christ. if you think people emigrate to the usa for the health care then you are beyond reasonable debate
rossclark 2 years ago
No, people, like my father (who grew up in utter poverty in Egypt in a place that you would only see on National Geographic) come here for the opportunities afforded by a generally free market that is becoming less and less free with each new bill Congress passes (especially this one).
Roark86 2 years ago 8
but it happens every day on our southern border!
krsplsh 2 years ago
@Yildun28 Where do you get that from? hahahaa Health care is never a problem for the mega rich. We're discussing middle-class average Americans. Rich people fly ALL AROUND THE WORLD to get the best health care in whatever specific medical niche they need. Thousands come to Australia and Singapore for specialized treatments. Correlation does not equal cause and effect.
dglass81 1 year ago
I discussed public healthcare with my Lloyd's brokers and some Canadians. Each thought national health in their countries was a joke. For example, a lady in Canada had to have a knee replaced. The wait was about 4 years to complete the tests and surgery. She flew to the USA and had the whole procedure done in a week. I like my private healthcare. Obamacare will be the ruination of America as we know it and that is very scary.
cheaterfive100 2 years ago 4
@cheaterfive100 If you can PAY the hospital directly then there is no problem. It's people who pay for medical insurance and then never get what they pay for.
You're intelligence is articulated well when you made up a word: ruination. HAHAHAHA
dglass81 1 year ago
@rossclark Americans have no idea of their health care systems potential. They don't know because they aren't OPEN to new ideas.
dglass81 1 year ago
xzxoxlx, if you have a problem with a corporation you can sue them. As a matter of fact if it's a big enough deal, lawers will be lining up to represent you for free just for the publicity. However if you have a problem with the government what are you going to do. You have no recourse but to try to get the offending party out of office by the next election.
Like in the video, they become not only the competition but the ref as well. With government healthcare they make the rules too.
derihar 2 years ago 5
@derihar You can sue the government moron! hahahahaha
dglass81 1 year ago
Just the fact that virtually none (if any) of our "representatives" are willing to give up their healthcare plan for Obamacare is yet another reason to question this disaster in the making. They also have their own special social security plan, don't send their kids to public schools, likely don't use public housing, etc. etc. Us little people are expected to enjoy the tiny crumbs of candy left on the stick from the lollipop they stole from us and already bit into I guess.
Yakko77 2 years ago 6
The best video I've seen on the issue. Even the mindless-drone-Obamassiah voters can understand it.
antimarxism 2 years ago 9
This video only discusses one very specific point against current health care reform proposals. If it's the best you can find, then there must not be a lot of good videos on this issue.
dsevil 2 years ago
There are numerous videos on the subject and many of them are very deep. I've watched many of them.
This video is the best I've seen at the audience it is targeting. That is what I meant to say originally.
antimarxism 2 years ago
Check out my channel, I have a page from the pamphlet that comes with the h1n1 vaccine, very dangerous!! You can copy and paste the link I left in comment area but you have to paste it in internet explorer search bar because google is blocking it! Spread this link as much as possible!
millersxtremedepot 2 years ago
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What's the difference between government running health care and private insurance running health care? I'd rather my money going to the government than corporate bullshit raising costs for everyone. The people can elect or get elected into the government to change the way business is done. I can't say the same with private corporations.
xzxoxlx 2 years ago
@xzxoxlx : So if I don't like the care from my government monopoly, what? I run for president or Congress? You have no choice with a government monopoly. In a free market, which we don't have now, I can drop my carrier and go with someone else. There are over 1,000 insurance companies in this country, but we don't have access to them because the Feds forbid it, and we buy insurance through our work because that's the way the Feds set it up 50 years ago. Change that and we have competition.
dinojake02 2 years ago 3
@dinojake02 Private insurance companies can run a parallel system offering faster service, better hospitals, etc for a premium. The problem is not the government, the problem is a cartel, a monopoly of health insurance companies.
The solution is public/private insurance options. That drives competition. All health care is not equal. Many socialised health care systems worldwide have a private system that offers premium services.
dglass81 1 year ago
@xzxoxlx
The officials running the government health care will not be elected. They will be appointed by the government to run this program. The ones most corrupt will be the ones appointed. Not the most productive or efficient. The most corrupt. What can you say now?
freakawill2000 2 years ago 2
the insurance companies aren't private. The government runs their companies through mandates, regulations, etc. so the companies are fundamentally arms of the state.
libertyplayground 2 years ago
The fact is Government makes laws - The lawmaker can not compete in a FAIR free enterprise system. That is called CORPORATISM the economic system of the Fascists. One step removed from socialism.
BY THE WAY ObamaCare Friends - Lets say your savior loses in 2012 to Jeb Bush - Would you feel the same about Government controlling your healthcare?
Be careful what you wish for.
politicalmediainc 2 years ago 3
Wow these are the dumbest examples of government competition - Comparing USPS to Fed Ex? Because Fed Ex and UPS can't deliver regular mail by law - Real good example of competition - eliminating competition! Cabbies and Limos to buses and trains? REALLY Thats like saying - look Nintendo didnt shut down when Microsoft took over the PC market. Stoopid. They are not the same industry classification just because they are transportation.
politicalmediainc 2 years ago 3
One more thing - Amtrak never made a dime since the gov't took it over - been subsidized with taxpayer dollars ever since. Good call on that one.
politicalmediainc 2 years ago 7
@politicalmediainc How hasn't it made a dime? People pay for tickets lol You mean profit? Well, profit is different and all a government has to do is break even.
dglass81 1 year ago
Great video... this is exactly what happened with the USPS, drove fedex and UPS out of business... they play by their own rules and private companies cant compete!
mark1m 2 years ago
Actually, the USPS still has many special privileges including: sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. UPS and FedEx are only allowed to compete in certain specified areas. Imagine how much lower costs could be across the board if the post office's monopoly privileges were eliminated entirely.
Roark86 2 years ago 2
I dont think UPS or fedex want to deliver first class mail... the fact that nobody sends it anymore is the reason the post office is having financial woes. Its not even a profitable service anymore thanks to email.
mark1m 2 years ago
So then there's no need to maintain the artificial government monopoly, right?
Roark86 2 years ago
I would agree there isnt a need for it. Unless you can tell me the name of the act that made it illegal... its probably over 100 years old and something that made sense at the time for whatever reason.
mark1m 2 years ago
Reminds me of the infamous New World Order wrestling angle that was on World Championship Wrestling in 1996.
Gvieto 2 years ago
What assholes like Carter started, RINOs helped perpetuate, and Obama will finish.
Welcome to Obama's Soviet Amerika.
Wilbur665 2 years ago 3
@Wilbur665 The real asshole was Nixon placing insurance companies between me and my doctor. Before that, the health care system was awesome here.
dglass81 1 year ago
When the government pays for our health care, the government decides what we get or don't get. We lose control of our most personal decisions. Screw that! I'll take my chances with the free market, which is plenty flawed, but at least it gives me choices that aren't laid out by Big Stupid Bureaucrat. You really want Obama to decide your treatment? Maybe you love Obama, but will you love/trust the next president? Americans, you turn these personal decisions over to the government at your peril!
MaynardGK 2 years ago 5
@MaynardGK Not true. In a democracy, you choose. You can vote people in that will get you more of those benefits. BTW, Medicare has the highest approval rating of any medical insurance in this country.
dglass81 1 year ago
@dglass81 1st off we are NOT a democracy, we were never meant to be a democracy, and democracies are not GOOD (just like a lynch mob is a democracy, but is not good)! we are a republic that is governed by rules and laws.
I am not saying you are correct by allowing the government to force everyone to buy insurance though. the govt should NEVER force anyone to buy anything! that is what a free society's choice should be.
krsplsh 1 year ago
As far as I can see this bill would force insurance companies to stop abusing their customers and provide real service as opposed to this collusion I see now with the industry raising rates consistently and with inflation available funds keep slipping away. I find it interesting Ben that when we met you were the liberal and I was the conservative... it looks as though our roles have switched.
princemanjee 2 years ago
Its a great rhetoric but we see examples everyday where government competes with private and private wins out because they have to if they wanna stay profitable. Cab and limousine companies didnt shut down over night when city buses and trains became available. Welfare programs did not kill the workforce.
princemanjee 2 years ago
Or maybe the cab and limo services survived because the public transport did not offer a good service as for welfare changes in 1996 madated that welfare recipents find jobs or find their benefits cut.
abarzilai664 2 years ago
say you run a pizza place. next door govt pizza shows up. they DO NOT EVER have to show profit. they cut their prices. you have the best pizza in town, and can still stay open. govt pizza sees this and passes a law that you HAVE to follow. they do not have to follow and can stay open. you, on the other hand, are forced to close down til you can fi the "problem". govt pizza still under sells their food compared to you. you close down b/c you cant compete against a non profit showing shop
krsplsh 2 years ago 3
Wouldn't it be great if we lived in a society, where government was responsive to people, and people put there was the product of the wishes of everyone. But, I guess since we don't, government is a big nasty thing which calls its own shots and benefits only itself.
richardhutnik 2 years ago
It's amazing that we constantly have to re-learn the lessons of the past. George Washington was very clear on the nature of government: "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
While the utopian delusions of all the wonderful things government can do sound great, they always end up FAR overbudget and often do more harm than good. The sooner we grow up and accept it, the better off we will all be.
Roark86 2 years ago 3
Unless people in a free society voluntarily do what they need to, in order to insure that the nation remain strong, they are at risk of losing their freedom, and have the government do things for them that they fail to do for themselves.
What was said of government can also be said of markets to. Markets are a force, and not reason and are certainly not eloquent.
richardhutnik 2 years ago
Richardhutnik, how are markets force? Bill Gates never approached me, gun in hand, demanding that I buy his product.
But government has.
Roark86 2 years ago
BOTH BLACK guys on the government 'side'. is one suppose to be OBAMA?
tofelt 2 years ago
PERFECT analogy! I LOVE you guys!
melatr7 2 years ago
Great Video - We need to pass this around to everyone we know. This demonstrates the fundamental problem with Government Competition - The rule maker can not be a competitor, period.
politicalmediainc 2 years ago 2
The Government is detrimentally flawed and needs to back of WE THE PEOPLE.
invisablepersona 2 years ago
boaz, I agree. Great analogy and it puts it in a situation most people can comprehend.
ThePatriotBelle 2 years ago
Great analogy about gov't competition in the healthcare system!
boaz4az 2 years ago 8
So true!!
MC0222 2 years ago