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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. 2 Timothy 4:3
I really dislike it when a religious person loses an arguement and decides to act self-rightous and 'holier-than-thou' by saying something like "God Bless You." or "I'll pray for you."
I would honestly rather them say what they are actually thinking, "Fuck off, I'm right!" or "I'll go talk about how bad I think you are behind your back."
When a theist says "I hope you find/see the/etc. light/truth/etc. soon, I'll be praying for you," try replying with "I hope you see the logic soon, I'll be thinking for you." It's rather interesting to see how they react when the tables are turned.
I went under heart surgery 3 times and I would like to attribute all the success and responsibility to my cardiologist, anesthesiologist, surgeons, doctors and nurses who were involved in helping me get better so that I can now life a full and happy life. I did not pray for success. I talked to many cardiologists for opinions. I did not feel god around me. I felt the assurance of the nurses and, at the time, pediatricians. I did not thank "god," I thanked the people who actually saved my life.
@nilbog44 Oh yes it does, it has saved my life, my families and many many friends. Prayer is a gate leading into faith. Someone who no longer lives on his own, for himself, and by his own strength. I know there is a God to whom he can talk. People who pray entrust themselves more and more to God. Prayer is a gift one obtains through prayer. Whether we avoid God or deny him, he is always there for us. He seeks us before we seek him. Praying strengthens us in our weakness.
@elibeth121 Think about all the children that die everyday in hospitals. Do you think their parents didn't pray for them? Some people survive, some people die. Prayer has NOTHING to do with it.
@nilbog44 Just because you pray does not mean that God is going to answer your prayer. He is not a genie that snaps his fingers and all is well. He chooses who is going to die,. and he answers prayers within our will.He knows what is best for us.
@elibeth121 So I have free will, I decide to shoot someone in the head with a shotgun, blowing their head clean off, and a god decided that the person would die?
They're not both true. Either I have free will, or a god decided that the victim would die.
Since we can plainly see that we can determine outcomes, there's obviously not any god making people die, keeping them alive, etc.
@ndrthrdr1 Yes you have free will, you can make bad choices or good ones. God decides when to take that person. You can not determine the outcome, if the person dies and goes to heaven you didnt decide that God did. Just because you shoot him doesnt mean that God can not turn a bad situation into a good one.
@elibeth121 So if I blow someone's head completely off with a shotgun. a god will decide whether the headless person will live or die? No, the headless person will die. If I hold a person under water for an hour, a god will decide whether they live or die? No, they will die.
OF course, I won't do any such thing, but some people have done those things - and the victim ALWAYS dies.
@ndrthrdr1 Perhaps I didnt read the part earlier that you completely blow off his head, then obviously he would live. They may die on earth but doesnt mean they will not go to heaven which is everlasting life. Thank God, that he created people with souls.
@elibeth121 Do you really think people should get a one-way ticket to heaven for dieing early? Like say a baby? It didn't make any choices in life, but sadly had a problem and died. Isn't that a bit like cheating, without intentionally cheating?
Same could be said for people that could go to Hell under that same reasoning. If I died right now, by your logic I would go to Hell instantly even if I did not live a full life because I do not believe the religious Gods exists.
@ZombineVelancious So technically under that logic, if I had lived a full life (which wasn't my choice if I got murdered), I could 'change my ways' and suddenly go to a place of everlasting harmony.
You see where I'm going here? It's just a dumb setup system in general to explain what happens when we die and to enforce proper morals.
@gasmask4poop He wants you to communicate with him, but you ask in accordance to his will. For instance if I asked God for a million dollars, do you think that he would give me that? You ask in accordance to God's will. Love for God
Desire to do his will
Openness to change in your life
Prayer relies on this foundation.
This is the foundation of prayer. ACTS Adoration Confession Thanksgiving Supplication
@elibeth121 Here are a few references that contradict what you wrote: Matthew 7:7-11, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 18:19, Matthew 21:21-22, Mark 11:24, John 14:13-14.
@YY4Me133 Everything you ask from God has to be according to God's will. That is why the Lord's prayer is the perfect prayer. Prayer is a path that leads directly into the heart of Jesus. Yes, it takes faith. but faith is a gift from God and God knows exactly what you need in your life.. I believe in God because I an m strong enough to know that my intuition wouldnt deceive me. God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, and his holiness
@elibeth121 I provided biblical references that say you'll get whatever you ask for if you pray. Not you might get it, you will get it. Not you'll get it if it's "god's will," you will get whatever you ask for. You said I'm wrong, which implies that those passages are wrong, so I asked you for a biblical reference that contradicts the ones I listed. It shouldn't be hard to find at least one. The christian bible is full of contradictions.
@YY4Me133 The church teaches that when you pray, you pray according to God will. You ask through, for whatever is asked in faith, agreeable to the will of God, which is contained in his covenant, word, and promises, and makes for his glory, and the good of his people, shall be given, 21:21,22 If ye have faith. Even the bible says you must have faith,James 4:3 teaches us to be sure to ask for the right intentions.
James 4:3 teaches us to be sure to ask for the right intentions;
@elibeth121 I didn't ask what your church teaches, I asked for biblical references. The passages I listed say nothing about prayers having to agree with "the will of God." They say ask and you will get it. I'm still waiting for a biblical reference that refutes the ones I listed.
@elibeth121 You're the one who refuted the passages I listed, not I. I'm waiting for references.
You say you believe what your god says, but what you really believe is what the men who wrote your "holy" book wrote, and what the people who run your church tell you. If you had never heard any of the stories in the christian bible, and someone told you they had a book with a talking snake, a talking bush, a talking donkey, magical fruit, etc. you'd think they were nuts to believe it.
@elibeth121 So, you choose to ignore that there are passages that say you'll get whatever you ask for because of how you choose to interpret them? Why not take them at face value? Is it because it's not true? You won't get whatever you ask for, so you interpret passages that say you will to mean something else entirely? That sounds like you're making excuses so you can keep believing what you want to believe.
@YY4Me133 We interpret the bible because God wants us to.I accept the Sacred Scriptures with great love and reverence. First of all, it is important really to read God's letter, in other words not to pick out details while paying no attention to the whole message. Then you interpret the whole message with the view to its heart and mystery. Jesus. The I read the Sacred Scriptures in the faith that gave rise to them, the same living faith of the church
@elibeth121 How about some evidence to back up your claims? For instance, evidence that your god exists. I don't want to know why you believe in it, because I've heard it all and I'm not convinced. Think of what kind of evidence you'd require to believe in a different god, what it would take to persuade you.
@YY4Me133 Atheist owe his existence to random chance. Creation is absolute proof that there is a creator. You cannot have creation without a creator. He has revealed himself to me in a very personal way. He exists in personal interventions, in my life as well as billions of others. He has saved me from a sinner to a saint, he touches our lives in a spectacular way, he fills us with love, and contentment and with his Holy Spirit. Jesus is the center of the all things and the foundation.
@elibeth121 First you'd have to prove your god exists, then you'd have to prove it created anything. Theists have had thousands of years to prove the gods they believe in exist, yet not one ever has.
People who believe in other gods have "experiences," too. Does that prove that their gods exist?
@YY4Me133 I do not have to prove anything. When God revealed himself to me that is all I needed. God lets you know when you are on the right patch and he reassures you that he is the only God. Creation is absolute proof there is a Creator. Evidence of God comes through revelation, fullfilled prophecies, testimonies, looking at the lives of other Christians, the church, the bible.,nature, creation, revealing himself, miracles, conscience, rationality of wisdom, etc.
@elibeth121 You believe a god revealed itself to you, so you believe it exists, but no god has ever revealed itself to me, so I don't believe any gods exist. By the way, people who believe in other gods also have "evidence" for their beliefs.
@YY4Me133 The missing ingredient in your life in not evidence but obedience.
No, you do not need evidence to believe in God you need faith and grace. God says " Blessed are those who have not seen me but still believe" Your atheistic paradigm has ensured you that you see no trace of God, despite that his fingerprints can be seen in the world aroud you. Atheist are blind, because God give us all the same light.
.How do we know God exists? As Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace.
.Ancient history supports the Bible's accuracy as a historical record.•The Gospels provide multiple reliable accounts of Jesus' life.
•Archaeology backs up the Biblical account.Textual scholars confirm that the bible have no changed
@elibeth121 You believe a god exists. You speak to yourself. You sense yourself. You delude yourself.
There's no evidence for: a worldwide flood; an exodus of jews out of Egypt; a historical Jesus; any god(s). Bats are not birds, rabbits don't chew cud, exposing pregnant goats to striped fences doesn't result in striped baby goats.
You say the bible hasn't changed. Muslims say the same thing about their "holy" book. Do you think what's written in the koran is true?
@elibeth121 You wrote: "Nothing would convince me that Jesus is not God..."
You just proved you don't care whether what you believe is true. I don't care whether there's no god or millions of gods, I've simply never seen any evidence that any god(s) exist(s). If I was given empirical evidence, actual proof, that a god or gods exist, I'd no longer be an atheist. I care about what is true, not what I'd like to be true.
@elibeth121 Nonetheless, it's true. The Templeton Foundation spent millions on a study that it claimed would prove, once and for all, that prayer works. It did the exact opposite.
@YY4Me133 The Bible never contradicts itself for it is the word of God. There are several passages which people have grabbed at and accused of being contradictions. Only because they do not know the bible or how to interpret it. God cannot lie or, and s Word cannot be filled with contradictions. And the Bible is the Word of God.God cannot author error. Why not? Because God is not a liar:
@elibeth121 I never said your god is a liar. I say its a fictional character. The christian bible does contradict itself. Google "contradictions in the bible." It gets a lot of things wrong. For instance, do you actually believe that Genesis 30:37-39 is true? Do you believe that bats are birds, or rabbits chew cud? You assert that the christian bible is the word of a god, but where's the evidence that your god even exists, never mind that it had anything to do with writing a book?
@YY4Me133 No contradictions. God does not give us everything we ask for, he knows what we need. Sometimes, the answer to prayer takes a long while even years. But, he always hear us, and prayer is communication to God .
@elibeth121 There are many contradictions and inaccuracies in your "holy" book. I don't expect you to see them because you read it "by faith," meaning with blinders on. The fact is, there's not one shred of evidence that your god exists. If you think there is, please provide it. Think of what it would take for someone to convince you that a god you don't believe in exists. That's what I'm looking for. Not something that convinces you your god exists.
@YY4Me133 No I interpert the bible, the way God wants me to interpert it, God has revealed himself to me as he has millions of othe. Faith, in the things you cant see. It is hard for any one person to accept God and christianity unless they have experienced the power of christ and his neverending love. You have to live your life through him. Jesus says “if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father.”NOTHING can convince me that he is not real. I have seen his love.
@elibeth121 If nothing can convince you Jesus and/or your god aren't real, you don't care if what you believe is true, as long as it makes you feel good. I couldn't care less if there's no god, one god, or billions of gods, I just require evidence before I'll believe. I have no emotional attachment to my atheism, but you seem to have a very emotional attachment to your theism. You're so intellectually stunted that you don't see that belief with no evidence is self-imposed ignorance.
@YY4Me133 God did not have to reveal himself to us. But he did it out of love. Just as in human love once can know something about that person but only if they open their heart to us, so too we know something about God's inmost thoughts only because the eternal and mysterious God has opened himself to us out of love. From creation on, through the patriarchs down to the definitive Revelation in his Son Jesus Christ.God has spoken again and again to mankind. In him,
@elibeth121 he has poured out his heart to us and made his inmost being visible to us.God has revealed himself to me, that is all the evidence I need. To make it comprehensible to us, the Holy Spirit leads us ever deeper into the truth. God's light breaks so forecefully into the lives of many individuals that they " see the heavens opened" The private revelations of visionaries cannot improve on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No one is obliged to believe in them, but they can help us
@elibeth121 understand the Gospel better. Their authenticity is tested by the Church.God is truth. No it does not make me feel good to just to believe there is a God. I have faith there is a God because time and time again he has spoken to me. My attachment is not on theism. but on my love for Christ. God subjects himelf to a special sort of proof. We know God is truth on the basis of the absolute credibility of Jesus. He is "the way, the truth and the life"
@YY4Me133 There is evidence of God everywhere,To know the invisible God is a great challenge for the human mind. Many are scared off by it. Another reason why some do want to know God is because they would have to change their life. Anyone, who says that the question of God is meaningless because it cannot be answered it making things too easy for himself. It happens that people in such matter persuade themselves that what they would like to be true is false or at least doubted.
@elibeth121 You wrote a lot of meaningless drivel. One cannot know an invisible god. People are atheists for a variety of reasons, but not wanting to change their lifestyle is not one of them. If I saw convincing evidence that a god existed, it would change nothing in my life with the exception that I'd no longer be an atheist. I can't make heads or tails of your last sentence about "what they would like to be true." What who "would like to be true?"
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And it was proven in a huge test on cancer pasients in America, prayer has no effect on anything, regardless of whether the ones being prayed for are christians or atheists or whatever. No effect, and it is proven. Look it up in wiki:)
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When in hospital recently (just appendix nothing serious) thankfully
my sister in law told me (by message in get well card) her family were praying for me. Could not help but help quote dan dennett "thanks, did you also sacrifice a goat?"
would like to thank the dr's, nurses, ward staff and surgeons who helped me out though, nice job guys, thanks
@Therealmiracleworker I hate when people say, "Our thoughts and prayers are with you"
Great, now how exactly is that supposed to help me? It just a selfish thing people say too make themselves feel good and that they actually helped someone else.
All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
if you are wrong then that is a whole other story.Its interesting how you are not going to build my entire life on what "might" exist and yet you build your entire life on what you believe might not exist.Some of you guys calim we are naive or stupid for believing in a creator for the creation and the creautures but with some things you can only believe because you dont see God in this temparary life.You ever think maybe thats because its a tes and a short journey?
@pinball281 "yet you build your entire life on what you believe might not exist."
That's a load of nonsense. If I don't believe something exists, why would I believe in things that DON'T exist, and why exactly would i build my life around it? lol
Why do you keep making stuff up about other people. You seem to have no idea what you're talking about and instead of trying to find out from other atheists, you're content making stuff up and defending what you believe.
@pinball281 "Some of you guys calim we are naive or stupid for believing in a creator for the creation and the creautures but with some things you can only believe because you dont see God in this temparary life."
Indeed. And those "some things" include all non existent things, like transcendental fairies. The reason people are naive and stupid for believing in such things is that you can in fact not tell if they are real or not. They do not manifest, and you can only make up their attributes
@pinball281 You really have no coherent way to answer why you believe in some of those things for which there are no evidence and not others. That is a huge problem.
"You ever think maybe thats because its a tes and a short journey? "
It's certainly not a test of being able to believe stuff for no reason. That's not a quality criteria. Beyond that, I have no reason to think it is. Just as I have no reason to think fairies or gods exist.
I always figure that guy could never be a host. He's far too violent toward religion. I'm not saying he's not justified but he wouldn't take a single call without lousing his cool.
Just to clarify again, I'm glad hes around... for when I need some unhindered christian bashing.
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@pinball281 There could be a god I'm not saying 100% that there no god, but the lack of evidence is more than enough to reject the claim. If i said that if you give me a thousand dollars i would rig the lottery so that you would win. Without evidence i hope you wouldn't believe me. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
@pinball281 No, and that is a stupid statement. You can't prove im not eating my own foot right now. No you can't, since I havn't brought you falsifiable evidence that you can disproove. Just like God. There is no falsifiable evidence, thus it's still a negative. You can't disprove something that has no proof! Just like you can't die unless you live, or you can't get dry unless u've been wet. You can't grow old unless you have been young. YOU CANT DISPROVE A NEGATIVE! LOGIC, HEARD ABOUT IT?
@BastEternal so you are going to build your entire life on what might not exitst? if we wrong we will never know but if you are wrong then that is a very very different story
What if YOU'RE wrong about your religion? Ever think of that?
If I'm wrong at least I didn't make any alliance to any one religion that has as much of a chance of being wrong as the next religion. At least I didn't waste the only life I know of worrying about a "maybe."
Besides, I don't need to worry, because if there is a "god" then it wouldn't punish me for not believing in it. If however it does, then it's a "god" not worth believing in.
@BastEternal lol are you not missing the whole point of pascals wager? how the fuck can you possibly have wasted your life? in your belief life is meaningless and has no purpose,in death you cease to exist so you wont know you have wasted your life will you?? take a muslim for example,he feels happy and has good spiritualityy,he leads a healthy life and does good in his life and is one with the one God who is beleived to be the one and only creator,now if he is wrong he will never know but...
@pinball281 "in your belief life is meaningless and has no purpose...,"
You don't know me. You don't KNOW what I believe because you didn't even ask. I don't like to argue with people who insist on making stuff up about me.
With that said, my happiness doesn't depend on believing in a "maybe," and spirituality can be attained in ways other than believing that a "creator god" exists, ie. the other day I donated blood freely - my act of compassion and feeling united with my fellow human beings.
@pinball281 "lol are you not missing the whole point of pascals wager? how the fuck can you possibly have wasted your life?"
Easy. By adopting false beliefs about reality, you will be making all sorts of poor decisions.
"take a muslim for example,he feels happy and has good spirituality"
And might fly planes into buildings for Allah or blow himself up to become a martyr. He might hate the infidels and try to murder them and never experience valuable friendships he could have had otherwise.
@pinball281 You're simply not seeing one of the huge flaws of Pascal's wager. Namely that it neglects the cost of false beliefs in this life. That, combined with another flaw, that it also neglects that there are an infinity of potential, unknown, religions. Many of which may give you twice the eternal torture(I took that one from the Qur'an) if you're a muslim than if you are anything else. Some gods might even torture people forever for not caring about reason and evidence.
@pinball281 The long and short of it is that Pascal's wager is wrong on so many levels that the probability model it presents is just useless, and it's conclusions just false.
That's not strange, because what it asks you to do is like buying insurance against disasters you don't understand, or even know are possible occurrences. A person doing this is a moron.
@Gnomefro LOL but what has a person lost who had a good happy life beleiving in God?? more to the point what have you gained by denieing the existance of a creator for the creation?? you see if the beleivers in God are wrong does it really matter one tiny little bit?? lol well no they will be dead and exist no more.Well you buy insurance do you not?? is there not LIFE insurance?
any way dude answer me this,do you not bweleive in God or do you not want to beleive in God??
I think that Gnomefro has made the point quite clear. There's no rational evidence to beleive any god exists. If a god does exist, it might not be yours, and that's the fundamental flaw of Pascal's Wager. It could be that the Hindus may be right. I'd bet on them, or even the Bhuddists (even though their beleif lacks a god) since none of them are as violent as Muslims or Christians. Besides you're an athiest in regards to other gods. Actual athiests just go one god further.
@NUTCASE71733 your telling me we have a beautifull world with delicous fruit vegeatables and full of life each unique in creation and there is no rational evidence to beleive a creator exists?? maybe the universe itselfs is eviodence of maker/God.I highly doubt the universe created itself and when you say about all these Gods you fail to realise God warned of false Gods.There a difference between Gods and God,jews christians and muslims believe in the same God,the oen and only God.
Your beloved god has also created the devil, whoin turn according to your theology caused the fall of man. Why should anyone follow such an ass who could have easily fixed this mess and admitted he made a mistake rather than blame his own creation?
Secondly, your appeal to beauty is bullshit. God also made ebola, AIDS, HIV, Anthrax, and all sort of nasty things. Furthermore we know a great deal of how the natural world works and we see no supernatural ANYTHING running it.
@afroninja137 Yeah but.............. ffee fucking will man,even if known we still have the free will to make our own decisions and if God is true and the after life is true wich is strongly beleive it is then this life is but a short struggle in the physical,we may have small pain but an eternity of bliss.
I work for US medicare/ medicaid system. I get "blessed" by beneficiaries dozens of times each week. I must take these blessings in a kindly way for the sake of my sanity. It's disturbing how culturally entitled people feel to do this sort of thing. I can sometimes see the little gears grinding or the light going off when they think "he's a kind person, thus he must be christian". If they bother to think about it at all. It makes a Perry or Bachmann punchline turn frightening.
I make a deal with them. "Christians. If you will refrain from praying for me, I will refrain from taking out a mental inquest warrant on you. Thank you."
@ChakraBlade1 Ah, but see, I qualified it with "IF you want Atheists to shut up". You were never IN my face or any other atheist's face, and therefore, you don't NEED to get out of it. You are already an outstanding person, of whose type there should be more of.
It's like George Carlin said: praying to Joe Pesci has the same rate of success. Hey, I tried it, and my friend got over a cold. I think that means it works.
Atheists who don't understand the power of prayer/meditation are simply exposing their sceintific ignorance.
Rather than upsetting me, prayer is the solution to MY problem: it calms the beiever down, makes him feel as if he's accomplishing something, while keeping him away from me and not affecting me at all. That's a perfect win-win. If believers would pray more and vote less, I think we'd all appreciate the power of prayer.
@Maargen - If it personally helps you, then go for it. Just realize that it's contradictory to God's "plans". Supposedly he has the fate of all humanity worked out already, so if you ask God for something, that is an attempt to violate his plans. Sure it can help you personally, but it doesn't help other people. You can't pray for a starving person in Africa and then he will magically receive food. Define "prayer" before defending it.
I'll never understand why someone would feel the need to write such a ridiculous letter. Is it to amuse themselves and their atheist friends about how snarky they can be? Does this make them feel more clever?
Prayer makes people feel good. Just like looking at a nice work of art, or hearing a favorite piece of music, or meditating. None of these activites have much outward effect, but they do create a pleasant, even beneficial state, on the mind and body of the person doing it.
You state that prayer does not work. Do you believe that love works. Do you think that if someone is depressed, you go visit them and show kindness and LOVE, do you think they may get healed. Evidence shows they do. People who live alone and have pets live longer. Even plants respond to certain vibrations. Atheists who try to join groups to stop nuclear war, or save the planet in other ways, with no other motive not even a reward in "Heaven", are heros to me.
Atheists is the lowest form of religion. Their idols are football,baseball, golf, tennis,basketball personalities. Do hear me, this is a "religion". They of course do not see this. Inwardly, they are thinking, "WHOSE MY DADDY". "HOW DO I SURVIVE",
Humans want to belong to a one tribe, one church, one team, etc. Before I would take any atheist as my disciple, I would smack them into reality.
@tribalfriend1 "WHOSE MY DADDY" That would be my biological father, and I don't need to post any names.
"HOW DO I SURVIVE" I do what all metazoans do in order to survive. I digest food in a digestive cavity. I don't need to believe in an invisible person to do that.
Smack them into reality? Which "reality" would that be? The one with leprechauns and gold at the end of each rainbow, or the one we all live in right now?
What a wierd statement! I'm an atheist, and I don't care about sports, celebrities or pop culture in general. Who, then, are my idols??
You might say that we idolize Darwin, or Dawkins, or O'Hair, in which case you'd make a little bit more sense, but you'd still be wrong. We admire the work of these people, but few atheists agree with everything said by them. That's very different from believing that God/Jesus/Allah is perfect, no matter what depraved acts they commit.
Hey, Christians, if you want Atheists to shut up, there's an easy way to do it. GET OUT OF OUR FACE. Do not take our disbelief as an artack, it's not. Do not protest us, it's unnecesary. Do not pray for us or try to convert us, we're not buying. Do not pass go, Do not collect two hundred dollars.
Why don't we speak against Hindus? Because they don't attack us. They don't care. Learn from them.
Yet I hope that they won't learn from Hindus. They are far worse than Christians in India, where they are dominant. And I wouldn't want to live in a caste society with a clergy on top.
yo village idiot, what happens if both fighters are praying to god for the win???
LOL. that's what gets me about sports figures who say "i want to thank god for the victory." what about the other team? they were praying too. i guess god liked the winner better than the loser. oh please! LMAO.
@lardo444 "i guess god liked the winner better than the loser. oh please! LMAO." You would be amazed just how seriously people took that very notion. Ever read Ivanhoe? The whole idea of the winner of a battle being determined by god's absolute will is what justified them doing ANYTHING they wanted. It why I say that religion really has no morals, only blind assumptions of divine orders and a magical justification to back up anything.
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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. 2 Timothy 4:3
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65465468 1 month ago
I really dislike it when a religious person loses an arguement and decides to act self-rightous and 'holier-than-thou' by saying something like "God Bless You." or "I'll pray for you."
I would honestly rather them say what they are actually thinking, "Fuck off, I'm right!" or "I'll go talk about how bad I think you are behind your back."
I'd actually respect the honesty.
Vampyrekai 1 month ago
When a theist says "I hope you find/see the/etc. light/truth/etc. soon, I'll be praying for you," try replying with "I hope you see the logic soon, I'll be thinking for you." It's rather interesting to see how they react when the tables are turned.
Gameguy602 1 month ago 9
@Gameguy602 :D nice one !! ill try this tho!
65465468 1 month ago
I went under heart surgery 3 times and I would like to attribute all the success and responsibility to my cardiologist, anesthesiologist, surgeons, doctors and nurses who were involved in helping me get better so that I can now life a full and happy life. I did not pray for success. I talked to many cardiologists for opinions. I did not feel god around me. I felt the assurance of the nurses and, at the time, pediatricians. I did not thank "god," I thanked the people who actually saved my life.
cavemantiger 1 month ago
I have always said asking you to pray for me is like asking you to take an aspirin because I have a headache.
5jerry1 2 months ago
pray in one hand, shit in the other and see which one fills up first
dancingnancy09 2 months ago
I prayed to Rick James and all i got was was a pair of red high heeled boots.
dkthg 2 months ago
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Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing, or a belief that is not a fact.! google faith lol
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elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 You are completely wrong. There have been several studies showing prayer does nothing. It doesn't help or hurt.
nilbog44 2 months ago
@nilbog44 Oh yes it does, it has saved my life, my families and many many friends. Prayer is a gate leading into faith. Someone who no longer lives on his own, for himself, and by his own strength. I know there is a God to whom he can talk. People who pray entrust themselves more and more to God. Prayer is a gift one obtains through prayer. Whether we avoid God or deny him, he is always there for us. He seeks us before we seek him. Praying strengthens us in our weakness.
elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 Think about all the children that die everyday in hospitals. Do you think their parents didn't pray for them? Some people survive, some people die. Prayer has NOTHING to do with it.
nilbog44 2 months ago
@nilbog44 Just because you pray does not mean that God is going to answer your prayer. He is not a genie that snaps his fingers and all is well. He chooses who is going to die,. and he answers prayers within our will.He knows what is best for us.
elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 you are too crazy to have a normal conversation with. see ya
nilbog44 2 months ago
@elibeth121 So I have free will, I decide to shoot someone in the head with a shotgun, blowing their head clean off, and a god decided that the person would die?
They're not both true. Either I have free will, or a god decided that the victim would die.
Since we can plainly see that we can determine outcomes, there's obviously not any god making people die, keeping them alive, etc.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Yes you have free will, you can make bad choices or good ones. God decides when to take that person. You can not determine the outcome, if the person dies and goes to heaven you didnt decide that God did. Just because you shoot him doesnt mean that God can not turn a bad situation into a good one.
elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 So if I blow someone's head completely off with a shotgun. a god will decide whether the headless person will live or die? No, the headless person will die. If I hold a person under water for an hour, a god will decide whether they live or die? No, they will die.
OF course, I won't do any such thing, but some people have done those things - and the victim ALWAYS dies.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Perhaps I didnt read the part earlier that you completely blow off his head, then obviously he would live. They may die on earth but doesnt mean they will not go to heaven which is everlasting life. Thank God, that he created people with souls.
elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 Do you really think people should get a one-way ticket to heaven for dieing early? Like say a baby? It didn't make any choices in life, but sadly had a problem and died. Isn't that a bit like cheating, without intentionally cheating?
Same could be said for people that could go to Hell under that same reasoning. If I died right now, by your logic I would go to Hell instantly even if I did not live a full life because I do not believe the religious Gods exists.
ZombineVelancious 1 month ago
@ZombineVelancious So technically under that logic, if I had lived a full life (which wasn't my choice if I got murdered), I could 'change my ways' and suddenly go to a place of everlasting harmony.
You see where I'm going here? It's just a dumb setup system in general to explain what happens when we die and to enforce proper morals.
ZombineVelancious 1 month ago
@elibeth121 then why does the bible say ask and you shall receive?
gasmask4poop 2 weeks ago
@gasmask4poop He wants you to communicate with him, but you ask in accordance to his will. For instance if I asked God for a million dollars, do you think that he would give me that? You ask in accordance to God's will. Love for God
Desire to do his will
Openness to change in your life
Prayer relies on this foundation.
This is the foundation of prayer. ACTS Adoration Confession Thanksgiving Supplication
elibeth121 2 weeks ago
@elibeth121 Here are a few references that contradict what you wrote: Matthew 7:7-11, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 18:19, Matthew 21:21-22, Mark 11:24, John 14:13-14.
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elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 You wrote: "... if God see it fit for you..."
Do you have a biblical reference for that? As for the rest, it seems like a convenient way to ignore what it really says.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
@YY4Me133 Everything you ask from God has to be according to God's will. That is why the Lord's prayer is the perfect prayer. Prayer is a path that leads directly into the heart of Jesus. Yes, it takes faith. but faith is a gift from God and God knows exactly what you need in your life.. I believe in God because I an m strong enough to know that my intuition wouldnt deceive me. God answers our prayers according to his will (and according to his wisdom, his love for us, and his holiness
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 I asked for a biblical reference that contradicts the biblical references I provided. So, where is it?
YY4Me133 1 week ago
Not sure what you mean.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 I provided biblical references that say you'll get whatever you ask for if you pray. Not you might get it, you will get it. Not you'll get it if it's "god's will," you will get whatever you ask for. You said I'm wrong, which implies that those passages are wrong, so I asked you for a biblical reference that contradicts the ones I listed. It shouldn't be hard to find at least one. The christian bible is full of contradictions.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
@YY4Me133 The church teaches that when you pray, you pray according to God will. You ask through, for whatever is asked in faith, agreeable to the will of God, which is contained in his covenant, word, and promises, and makes for his glory, and the good of his people, shall be given, 21:21,22 If ye have faith. Even the bible says you must have faith,James 4:3 teaches us to be sure to ask for the right intentions.
James 4:3 teaches us to be sure to ask for the right intentions;
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 I didn't ask what your church teaches, I asked for biblical references. The passages I listed say nothing about prayers having to agree with "the will of God." They say ask and you will get it. I'm still waiting for a biblical reference that refutes the ones I listed.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
@YY4Me133 Again, you cant refute it. We belive what the Church teaches on God. I believe what God says.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 You're the one who refuted the passages I listed, not I. I'm waiting for references.
You say you believe what your god says, but what you really believe is what the men who wrote your "holy" book wrote, and what the people who run your church tell you. If you had never heard any of the stories in the christian bible, and someone told you they had a book with a talking snake, a talking bush, a talking donkey, magical fruit, etc. you'd think they were nuts to believe it.
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elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 So, you choose to ignore that there are passages that say you'll get whatever you ask for because of how you choose to interpret them? Why not take them at face value? Is it because it's not true? You won't get whatever you ask for, so you interpret passages that say you will to mean something else entirely? That sounds like you're making excuses so you can keep believing what you want to believe.
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elibeth121 6 days ago
@elibeth121 Well, at least you admit that you interpret the bible, even if you delude yourself about how or why you do so.
YY4Me133 5 days ago
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@YY4Me133 We interpret the bible because God wants us to.I accept the Sacred Scriptures with great love and reverence. First of all, it is important really to read God's letter, in other words not to pick out details while paying no attention to the whole message. Then you interpret the whole message with the view to its heart and mystery. Jesus. The I read the Sacred Scriptures in the faith that gave rise to them, the same living faith of the church
elibeth121 5 days ago
@elibeth121 How about some evidence to back up your claims? For instance, evidence that your god exists. I don't want to know why you believe in it, because I've heard it all and I'm not convinced. Think of what kind of evidence you'd require to believe in a different god, what it would take to persuade you.
YY4Me133 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 Atheist owe his existence to random chance. Creation is absolute proof that there is a creator. You cannot have creation without a creator. He has revealed himself to me in a very personal way. He exists in personal interventions, in my life as well as billions of others. He has saved me from a sinner to a saint, he touches our lives in a spectacular way, he fills us with love, and contentment and with his Holy Spirit. Jesus is the center of the all things and the foundation.
elibeth121 5 days ago
@elibeth121 First you'd have to prove your god exists, then you'd have to prove it created anything. Theists have had thousands of years to prove the gods they believe in exist, yet not one ever has.
People who believe in other gods have "experiences," too. Does that prove that their gods exist?
YY4Me133 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 he/she cant. they sick with life stories and assume a story is somehow a testable fact.....w.e.
Woahimdead07 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 stick*
Woahimdead07 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 I do not have to prove anything. When God revealed himself to me that is all I needed. God lets you know when you are on the right patch and he reassures you that he is the only God. Creation is absolute proof there is a Creator. Evidence of God comes through revelation, fullfilled prophecies, testimonies, looking at the lives of other Christians, the church, the bible.,nature, creation, revealing himself, miracles, conscience, rationality of wisdom, etc.
elibeth121 4 days ago
@elibeth121 You believe a god revealed itself to you, so you believe it exists, but no god has ever revealed itself to me, so I don't believe any gods exist. By the way, people who believe in other gods also have "evidence" for their beliefs.
YY4Me133 3 days ago
@YY4Me133 The missing ingredient in your life in not evidence but obedience.
No, you do not need evidence to believe in God you need faith and grace. God says " Blessed are those who have not seen me but still believe" Your atheistic paradigm has ensured you that you see no trace of God, despite that his fingerprints can be seen in the world aroud you. Atheist are blind, because God give us all the same light.
elibeth121 3 days ago
@elibeth121 You claim that a god said things, yet you provide no evidence it exists. Please, don't tell me I need faith. Nothing real requires faith.
YY4Me133 3 days ago
.How do we know God exists? As Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace.
.Ancient history supports the Bible's accuracy as a historical record.•The Gospels provide multiple reliable accounts of Jesus' life.
•Archaeology backs up the Biblical account.Textual scholars confirm that the bible have no changed
elibeth121 3 days ago
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@elibeth121 You believe a god exists. You speak to yourself. You sense yourself. You delude yourself.
There's no evidence for: a worldwide flood; an exodus of jews out of Egypt; a historical Jesus; any god(s). Bats are not birds, rabbits don't chew cud, exposing pregnant goats to striped fences doesn't result in striped baby goats.
You say the bible hasn't changed. Muslims say the same thing about their "holy" book. Do you think what's written in the koran is true?
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elibeth121 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 Nothing would convince me that Jesus is not God, For he tells us so, he has revealed himself to mankind again and again.
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@elibeth121 You wrote: "Nothing would convince me that Jesus is not God..."
You just proved you don't care whether what you believe is true. I don't care whether there's no god or millions of gods, I've simply never seen any evidence that any god(s) exist(s). If I was given empirical evidence, actual proof, that a god or gods exist, I'd no longer be an atheist. I care about what is true, not what I'd like to be true.
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elibeth121 6 days ago
@elibeth121 The same thing would be true if you prayed to a rock because, no matter what happened, you could say it was the will of the rock.
YY4Me133 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 That is the stupedest think I have ever heard.
elibeth121 5 days ago
@elibeth121 Nonetheless, it's true. The Templeton Foundation spent millions on a study that it claimed would prove, once and for all, that prayer works. It did the exact opposite.
YY4Me133 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 Oh really. Just because you have never had a prayer that was answered does not mean there are billions of other that have.
elibeth121 5 days ago
@YY4Me133 The Bible never contradicts itself for it is the word of God. There are several passages which people have grabbed at and accused of being contradictions. Only because they do not know the bible or how to interpret it. God cannot lie or, and s Word cannot be filled with contradictions. And the Bible is the Word of God.God cannot author error. Why not? Because God is not a liar:
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 You're right. "God" is not a liar. He's a fictional character.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
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elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 I never said your god is a liar. I say its a fictional character. The christian bible does contradict itself. Google "contradictions in the bible." It gets a lot of things wrong. For instance, do you actually believe that Genesis 30:37-39 is true? Do you believe that bats are birds, or rabbits chew cud? You assert that the christian bible is the word of a god, but where's the evidence that your god even exists, never mind that it had anything to do with writing a book?
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elibeth121 1 week ago
@YY4Me133 No contradictions. God does not give us everything we ask for, he knows what we need. Sometimes, the answer to prayer takes a long while even years. But, he always hear us, and prayer is communication to God .
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 There are many contradictions and inaccuracies in your "holy" book. I don't expect you to see them because you read it "by faith," meaning with blinders on. The fact is, there's not one shred of evidence that your god exists. If you think there is, please provide it. Think of what it would take for someone to convince you that a god you don't believe in exists. That's what I'm looking for. Not something that convinces you your god exists.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
@YY4Me133 No I interpert the bible, the way God wants me to interpert it, God has revealed himself to me as he has millions of othe. Faith, in the things you cant see. It is hard for any one person to accept God and christianity unless they have experienced the power of christ and his neverending love. You have to live your life through him. Jesus says “if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father.”NOTHING can convince me that he is not real. I have seen his love.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 If nothing can convince you Jesus and/or your god aren't real, you don't care if what you believe is true, as long as it makes you feel good. I couldn't care less if there's no god, one god, or billions of gods, I just require evidence before I'll believe. I have no emotional attachment to my atheism, but you seem to have a very emotional attachment to your theism. You're so intellectually stunted that you don't see that belief with no evidence is self-imposed ignorance.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
@YY4Me133 God did not have to reveal himself to us. But he did it out of love. Just as in human love once can know something about that person but only if they open their heart to us, so too we know something about God's inmost thoughts only because the eternal and mysterious God has opened himself to us out of love. From creation on, through the patriarchs down to the definitive Revelation in his Son Jesus Christ.God has spoken again and again to mankind. In him,
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 he has poured out his heart to us and made his inmost being visible to us.God has revealed himself to me, that is all the evidence I need. To make it comprehensible to us, the Holy Spirit leads us ever deeper into the truth. God's light breaks so forecefully into the lives of many individuals that they " see the heavens opened" The private revelations of visionaries cannot improve on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No one is obliged to believe in them, but they can help us
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 understand the Gospel better. Their authenticity is tested by the Church.God is truth. No it does not make me feel good to just to believe there is a God. I have faith there is a God because time and time again he has spoken to me. My attachment is not on theism. but on my love for Christ. God subjects himelf to a special sort of proof. We know God is truth on the basis of the absolute credibility of Jesus. He is "the way, the truth and the life"
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 You're not making any sense. No god ever revealed itself to me. If it had, I wouldn't be an atheist.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
@YY4Me133 There is evidence of God everywhere,To know the invisible God is a great challenge for the human mind. Many are scared off by it. Another reason why some do want to know God is because they would have to change their life. Anyone, who says that the question of God is meaningless because it cannot be answered it making things too easy for himself. It happens that people in such matter persuade themselves that what they would like to be true is false or at least doubted.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 You wrote a lot of meaningless drivel. One cannot know an invisible god. People are atheists for a variety of reasons, but not wanting to change their lifestyle is not one of them. If I saw convincing evidence that a god existed, it would change nothing in my life with the exception that I'd no longer be an atheist. I can't make heads or tails of your last sentence about "what they would like to be true." What who "would like to be true?"
YY4Me133 1 week ago
@nilbog44 hey is your screen name from troll 2?
gasmask4poop 2 weeks ago
@gasmask4poop haha yeah. The 44 part means nothing though
nilbog44 2 weeks ago
@nilbog44 lol thats awesome, its the best worst movie ever. NILBOG? NILBOG backwards spells GOBLIN this is their kingdoooom! haha. You should also watch "the room"....another great terrible movie...soo funny.
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elibeth121 2 months ago
I think it was also shown in another test that those that were told they were being prayed for had more complications during operations.
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And it was proven in a huge test on cancer pasients in America, prayer has no effect on anything, regardless of whether the ones being prayed for are christians or atheists or whatever. No effect, and it is proven. Look it up in wiki:)
winterstellar 2 months ago 2
if GOD listen to all people his plan will be ruin!!!
so it depends in your needs
pro1127 3 months ago
@pro1127 He isn't real.
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pro1127 3 months ago
I'm spreading the word: If anyone out there still has an old copy of "Deities & Demigods," dig it out and look at the illustration credits. You'll find the name "Jeff Dee." That's this same Jeff Dee.
gspendlove 3 months ago 14
@gspendlove I actually still have that book! First Edition.
GrayLotus 2 months ago
@gspendlove Yes I believe he said that he used to draw some of those pictures in another episode.
pizza464132 2 months ago
When in hospital recently (just appendix nothing serious) thankfully
my sister in law told me (by message in get well card) her family were praying for me. Could not help but help quote dan dennett "thanks, did you also sacrifice a goat?"
would like to thank the dr's, nurses, ward staff and surgeons who helped me out though, nice job guys, thanks
Therealmiracleworker 3 months ago 53
@Therealmiracleworker hope you are better now!
yuriythebest 3 months ago
@yuriythebest yeah, fine thanks. Its just one more piece of evidence, trained health care professionals have a far better track record than prayer.
Therealmiracleworker 3 months ago
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good. put the credit where it is due. on the doctors
infernalone666 1 month ago 2
@Therealmiracleworker I hate when people say, "Our thoughts and prayers are with you"
Great, now how exactly is that supposed to help me? It just a selfish thing people say too make themselves feel good and that they actually helped someone else.
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All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
if you are wrong then that is a whole other story.Its interesting how you are not going to build my entire life on what "might" exist and yet you build your entire life on what you believe might not exist.Some of you guys calim we are naive or stupid for believing in a creator for the creation and the creautures but with some things you can only believe because you dont see God in this temparary life.You ever think maybe thats because its a tes and a short journey?
pinball281 4 months ago
@pinball281 "yet you build your entire life on what you believe might not exist."
That's a load of nonsense. If I don't believe something exists, why would I believe in things that DON'T exist, and why exactly would i build my life around it? lol
Why do you keep making stuff up about other people. You seem to have no idea what you're talking about and instead of trying to find out from other atheists, you're content making stuff up and defending what you believe.
Quit it.
BastEternal 4 months ago
@pinball281 "Some of you guys calim we are naive or stupid for believing in a creator for the creation and the creautures but with some things you can only believe because you dont see God in this temparary life."
Indeed. And those "some things" include all non existent things, like transcendental fairies. The reason people are naive and stupid for believing in such things is that you can in fact not tell if they are real or not. They do not manifest, and you can only make up their attributes
Gnomefro 3 months ago
@pinball281 You really have no coherent way to answer why you believe in some of those things for which there are no evidence and not others. That is a huge problem.
"You ever think maybe thats because its a tes and a short journey? "
It's certainly not a test of being able to believe stuff for no reason. That's not a quality criteria. Beyond that, I have no reason to think it is. Just as I have no reason to think fairies or gods exist.
Gnomefro 3 months ago
I always figure that guy could never be a host. He's far too violent toward religion. I'm not saying he's not justified but he wouldn't take a single call without lousing his cool.
Just to clarify again, I'm glad hes around... for when I need some unhindered christian bashing.
MaestroAlvis 4 months ago
Ashley's cute
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
yeah but what if God does exist,thats the thing,he might
pinball281 5 months ago
@pinball281 Have any proof? because if you don't than a god is on the same level as unicorns and leprechauns.
zooryanzoo123 5 months ago
@zooryanzoo123 i dont have any proof God exists but do you have any proof that God does not exist
pinball281 5 months ago
@pinball281 There could be a god I'm not saying 100% that there no god, but the lack of evidence is more than enough to reject the claim. If i said that if you give me a thousand dollars i would rig the lottery so that you would win. Without evidence i hope you wouldn't believe me. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
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@pinball281 You come making the claim you have to prove it.
moorg745 4 months ago
@pinball281 No, and that is a stupid statement. You can't prove im not eating my own foot right now. No you can't, since I havn't brought you falsifiable evidence that you can disproove. Just like God. There is no falsifiable evidence, thus it's still a negative. You can't disprove something that has no proof! Just like you can't die unless you live, or you can't get dry unless u've been wet. You can't grow old unless you have been young. YOU CANT DISPROVE A NEGATIVE! LOGIC, HEARD ABOUT IT?
brickan2 4 months ago
@pinball281 I am not going to build my entire life on what "might" exist.
BastEternal 5 months ago 4
@BastEternal so you are going to build your entire life on what might not exitst? if we wrong we will never know but if you are wrong then that is a very very different story
pinball281 5 months ago
@pinball281 Pascal's wager is one big FAIL.
What if YOU'RE wrong about your religion? Ever think of that?
If I'm wrong at least I didn't make any alliance to any one religion that has as much of a chance of being wrong as the next religion. At least I didn't waste the only life I know of worrying about a "maybe."
Besides, I don't need to worry, because if there is a "god" then it wouldn't punish me for not believing in it. If however it does, then it's a "god" not worth believing in.
BastEternal 5 months ago
@BastEternal lol are you not missing the whole point of pascals wager? how the fuck can you possibly have wasted your life? in your belief life is meaningless and has no purpose,in death you cease to exist so you wont know you have wasted your life will you?? take a muslim for example,he feels happy and has good spiritualityy,he leads a healthy life and does good in his life and is one with the one God who is beleived to be the one and only creator,now if he is wrong he will never know but...
pinball281 4 months ago
@pinball281 "in your belief life is meaningless and has no purpose...,"
You don't know me. You don't KNOW what I believe because you didn't even ask. I don't like to argue with people who insist on making stuff up about me.
With that said, my happiness doesn't depend on believing in a "maybe," and spirituality can be attained in ways other than believing that a "creator god" exists, ie. the other day I donated blood freely - my act of compassion and feeling united with my fellow human beings.
BastEternal 4 months ago
@pinball281 "lol are you not missing the whole point of pascals wager? how the fuck can you possibly have wasted your life?"
Easy. By adopting false beliefs about reality, you will be making all sorts of poor decisions.
"take a muslim for example,he feels happy and has good spirituality"
And might fly planes into buildings for Allah or blow himself up to become a martyr. He might hate the infidels and try to murder them and never experience valuable friendships he could have had otherwise.
Gnomefro 3 months ago
@pinball281 You're simply not seeing one of the huge flaws of Pascal's wager. Namely that it neglects the cost of false beliefs in this life. That, combined with another flaw, that it also neglects that there are an infinity of potential, unknown, religions. Many of which may give you twice the eternal torture(I took that one from the Qur'an) if you're a muslim than if you are anything else. Some gods might even torture people forever for not caring about reason and evidence.
Gnomefro 3 months ago
@pinball281 The long and short of it is that Pascal's wager is wrong on so many levels that the probability model it presents is just useless, and it's conclusions just false.
That's not strange, because what it asks you to do is like buying insurance against disasters you don't understand, or even know are possible occurrences. A person doing this is a moron.
Gnomefro 3 months ago
@Gnomefro LOL but what has a person lost who had a good happy life beleiving in God?? more to the point what have you gained by denieing the existance of a creator for the creation?? you see if the beleivers in God are wrong does it really matter one tiny little bit?? lol well no they will be dead and exist no more.Well you buy insurance do you not?? is there not LIFE insurance?
any way dude answer me this,do you not bweleive in God or do you not want to beleive in God??
pinball281 3 months ago
@pinball281
I think that Gnomefro has made the point quite clear. There's no rational evidence to beleive any god exists. If a god does exist, it might not be yours, and that's the fundamental flaw of Pascal's Wager. It could be that the Hindus may be right. I'd bet on them, or even the Bhuddists (even though their beleif lacks a god) since none of them are as violent as Muslims or Christians. Besides you're an athiest in regards to other gods. Actual athiests just go one god further.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago 2
@NUTCASE71733 your telling me we have a beautifull world with delicous fruit vegeatables and full of life each unique in creation and there is no rational evidence to beleive a creator exists?? maybe the universe itselfs is eviodence of maker/God.I highly doubt the universe created itself and when you say about all these Gods you fail to realise God warned of false Gods.There a difference between Gods and God,jews christians and muslims believe in the same God,the oen and only God.
pinball281 3 months ago
@pinball281
Your beloved god has also created the devil, whoin turn according to your theology caused the fall of man. Why should anyone follow such an ass who could have easily fixed this mess and admitted he made a mistake rather than blame his own creation?
Secondly, your appeal to beauty is bullshit. God also made ebola, AIDS, HIV, Anthrax, and all sort of nasty things. Furthermore we know a great deal of how the natural world works and we see no supernatural ANYTHING running it.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago 3
@NUTCASE71733 2 words FREE WILL
pinball281 3 months ago
@pinball281 If god was all knowing (like the bible says) he would know the evils man would commit and change us.
afroninja137 3 months ago
@afroninja137 Yeah but.............. ffee fucking will man,even if known we still have the free will to make our own decisions and if God is true and the after life is true wich is strongly beleive it is then this life is but a short struggle in the physical,we may have small pain but an eternity of bliss.
pinball281 3 months ago
Very well written, lol
skywize 5 months ago
AMEN!!!
JJPHILLYLG 6 months ago
So passive agressive to say, ' I'll pray for you' as well as moronic
daverigby23 6 months ago
I work for US medicare/ medicaid system. I get "blessed" by beneficiaries dozens of times each week. I must take these blessings in a kindly way for the sake of my sanity. It's disturbing how culturally entitled people feel to do this sort of thing. I can sometimes see the little gears grinding or the light going off when they think "he's a kind person, thus he must be christian". If they bother to think about it at all. It makes a Perry or Bachmann punchline turn frightening.
rrpostalagain 6 months ago
You pray for me and I'll use my brain for the both of us.
mrslash11 7 months ago
Jeff kicks ass
rockaholick37 7 months ago
I make a deal with them. "Christians. If you will refrain from praying for me, I will refrain from taking out a mental inquest warrant on you. Thank you."
Kailoa36 7 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 Ah, but see, I qualified it with "IF you want Atheists to shut up". You were never IN my face or any other atheist's face, and therefore, you don't NEED to get out of it. You are already an outstanding person, of whose type there should be more of.
tikifreakazoid 8 months ago
That was a bombass letter.
cometrally 8 months ago
It's like George Carlin said: praying to Joe Pesci has the same rate of success. Hey, I tried it, and my friend got over a cold. I think that means it works.
instereovideos 8 months ago 45
@instereovideos I prayed to Joe Pesci once. He called me a "Yoot".
politicoochie09 2 months ago 2
@politicoochie09 best response i've ever heard.
instereovideos 2 months ago
Awesome!
bobster451 9 months ago
brilliant letter.
Dear Christians, I would like to do my fare share.
Please leave me to my destiny, and convert every prayer to a few dollars for the millions of children that are dying in the world.
I understand that it must be stressful for you to KNOW that without your help I will be burning in hell forever.
I am perfectly aware of my fate, I take full responsibilities, please accept my humble sacrifice for the sake of others.
saintpine 9 months ago
Totally irrelevant point: doesn't "the jury is out" mean that a reliable conclusion has NOT yet been reached?
lordlacolith 9 months ago
Awesome letter, I couldn't agree more!!!
Scyllaeum 11 months ago
i know praying doesn't work, i'm a fucking west bromwich albion fan and no one prays more than us.
fourbabies1 1 year ago
Well said....★★★★★
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Katalyzt 1 year ago
Jeff, I liked that letter. I'm glad you shared.
stevethemongolian 1 year ago
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Atheists who don't understand the power of prayer/meditation are simply exposing their sceintific ignorance.
Rather than upsetting me, prayer is the solution to MY problem: it calms the beiever down, makes him feel as if he's accomplishing something, while keeping him away from me and not affecting me at all. That's a perfect win-win. If believers would pray more and vote less, I think we'd all appreciate the power of prayer.
Maargen 1 year ago
@Maargen - If it personally helps you, then go for it. Just realize that it's contradictory to God's "plans". Supposedly he has the fate of all humanity worked out already, so if you ask God for something, that is an attempt to violate his plans. Sure it can help you personally, but it doesn't help other people. You can't pray for a starving person in Africa and then he will magically receive food. Define "prayer" before defending it.
Critic863 1 year ago
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I'll never understand why someone would feel the need to write such a ridiculous letter. Is it to amuse themselves and their atheist friends about how snarky they can be? Does this make them feel more clever?
Prayer makes people feel good. Just like looking at a nice work of art, or hearing a favorite piece of music, or meditating. None of these activites have much outward effect, but they do create a pleasant, even beneficial state, on the mind and body of the person doing it.
Maargen 1 year ago
The person that wrote that is an asshole
Sneezlebob 1 year ago
@Sneezlebob
Would you rather be a theist asshole or an atheist asshole?
drche420 10 months ago
You state that prayer does not work. Do you believe that love works. Do you think that if someone is depressed, you go visit them and show kindness and LOVE, do you think they may get healed. Evidence shows they do. People who live alone and have pets live longer. Even plants respond to certain vibrations. Atheists who try to join groups to stop nuclear war, or save the planet in other ways, with no other motive not even a reward in "Heaven", are heros to me.
tribalfriend1 1 year ago
Atheists is the lowest form of religion. Their idols are football,baseball, golf, tennis,basketball personalities. Do hear me, this is a "religion". They of course do not see this. Inwardly, they are thinking, "WHOSE MY DADDY". "HOW DO I SURVIVE",
Humans want to belong to a one tribe, one church, one team, etc. Before I would take any atheist as my disciple, I would smack them into reality.
tribalfriend1 1 year ago
@tribalfriend1 "WHOSE MY DADDY" That would be my biological father, and I don't need to post any names.
"HOW DO I SURVIVE" I do what all metazoans do in order to survive. I digest food in a digestive cavity. I don't need to believe in an invisible person to do that.
Smack them into reality? Which "reality" would that be? The one with leprechauns and gold at the end of each rainbow, or the one we all live in right now?
cadman2300 1 year ago
@tribalfriend1
What a wierd statement! I'm an atheist, and I don't care about sports, celebrities or pop culture in general. Who, then, are my idols??
You might say that we idolize Darwin, or Dawkins, or O'Hair, in which case you'd make a little bit more sense, but you'd still be wrong. We admire the work of these people, but few atheists agree with everything said by them. That's very different from believing that God/Jesus/Allah is perfect, no matter what depraved acts they commit.
Maargen 1 year ago
Hey, Christians, if you want Atheists to shut up, there's an easy way to do it. GET OUT OF OUR FACE. Do not take our disbelief as an artack, it's not. Do not protest us, it's unnecesary. Do not pray for us or try to convert us, we're not buying. Do not pass go, Do not collect two hundred dollars.
Why don't we speak against Hindus? Because they don't attack us. They don't care. Learn from them.
tikifreakazoid 1 year ago 45
@tikifreakazoid
Look at Pat Condell, surely you are brighter than thinking that he is not attacking different beliefs?
OneOther93 10 months ago
@OneOther93 Are people attacking him? If so, then I rest my case. If not, then attack him all you want.
tikifreakazoid 10 months ago
@tikifreakazoid
Yet I hope that they won't learn from Hindus. They are far worse than Christians in India, where they are dominant. And I wouldn't want to live in a caste society with a clergy on top.
timfidotru 9 months ago
yo village idiot, what happens if both fighters are praying to god for the win???
LOL. that's what gets me about sports figures who say "i want to thank god for the victory." what about the other team? they were praying too. i guess god liked the winner better than the loser. oh please! LMAO.
peace, lardo.
lardo444 1 year ago
@lardo444 "i guess god liked the winner better than the loser. oh please! LMAO." You would be amazed just how seriously people took that very notion. Ever read Ivanhoe? The whole idea of the winner of a battle being determined by god's absolute will is what justified them doing ANYTHING they wanted. It why I say that religion really has no morals, only blind assumptions of divine orders and a magical justification to back up anything.
CommanderC4 1 year ago
@CommanderC4 Exactly!
peace, lardo.
lardo444 1 year ago
Who wants to challenge Jesus here???????????????? these apes? Monkeys/chimps/ gorillas? Uff
Airlightf 1 year ago