Ciao Raqffaele, complimenti davvero per la demo e per come suoni, chapeau!
Una domanda stupida: per un uso live con un vero ampli, c'è modo di bypassare il pedale e ascoltare il clean dell'ampli, usando poi il pedale soltanto per gli effetti?
Mi interessa moltissimo questo dettaglio, io userei il ToneLab come piccola pedaliera di emergenza quando non posso portarmi dietro quella principale con tutti i pedalini.
@ciclosonico ciao grazie innanzitutto per i complimenti! allora vediamo... dico vediamo perché la uso (usavo ogni tanto cambio sto sempre a sperimentare, ora è ferma da un po) esclusivamente per il suono in cuffia e per le registrazioni. Sicuramente non ha uscite dirette che alcuni hanno, e manca un pulsante bypass totale. Quello che puoi fare è di fare un suono che abbia tutto spento e registrarlo su un banco. O al limite, ma ripeto sto ipotizzando, mettere la modalità accordatore non
@ciclosonico non silenziata, così che funga da bypass di fatto. Tieni conto che è una interfaccia digitale quindi il suono viene convertito in digitale e poi riconvertito ancora, non è male ma perdita ce n'è, non è un pezzo TC Electronics per capirci, qualche dettaglio e delle armoniche vanno perdute passandoci dentro anche in bypass. Dipende dai suoni che stai cercando. Secondo me come backup va più che bene e ha un costo molto abbordabile e dei controlli a pedale adatti all'uso live :)
@rafport Grazie per questa risposta istantanea! :)
Quindi posso creare un preset vuoto che mi fa comunque da bypass, e poi iniziare il banco di presets con effetti vari. Ottimo, questo mi premeva di capire! L'uso che ne farei è davvero molto ridotto: 4 suoni per la cover band quando in aereo è inutile litigare per portarsi dietro la pedaliera grossa, occasionali e tristissimi lavori in duo dove si entra in diretta nel mixer, e piccole registrazioni da homestudio senza ampli. Quindi è OK, grazie!
@ciclosonico figurati, sto spesso al computer per lavoro e ho le notifiche via mail. Trovo che il tonelab sia un ottimo prodotto e anche il prezzo è particolarmente ragionevole, le maggiori possibilità di customizzazione di altre soluzioni trovo siano abbastanza inutili dato che cerco un buon amplificatore simulato ed un minimo di effetti ambientali (anche perché col modeling più cose simulate aggiungi in serie, meno credibile è il risultato). Penso potrebbe andar bene alle tue esigenze
quick question? so you can program the settings for each number so whey you just press the plus or minus sign it goes straight to it without you needing to turn the knobs?>
@th3flash23 exactly, you can store a complete setup (amp, stomps and effects) in a bank, and with minus and plus switch (metal ones, heavy duty like "serious" dpdt stomps) you can choose bank number. usually in a live performance guitarist use a group of tones, not dozen of but a pair of clean and of dirt.
@rafport,yeah thanks for the advice "buy one thing at a time" it's so true! It's easy to get an idea like "head+attenuator+cab sim+interface+software+reverb in loop blah blah blah haha lol! maybe I should slow down and shop for a good small amp first,then try the behringer(I listened to an A/B challenge and picked this one over Palmer!)
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju yes thanks is even a good advice i give often to myself. emphasis and great idea need lots of change, experiment... costs. It is good spend to have a better tone, but sometime you spend and have same or worst tone, it isn't math you cant image something you don't have. in theory yeah a real amp, a di box, a load box you have van halen tone but then you discover it is not like this, you need audio card of a level, this, that... one thing at time, then we judje if spend more:)
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju i don't know if Android has some modeling software, i searched months ago (i had a tablet before ipad 2) and i cant find any. i can suggest you a thing? for buy things one to one, and avoid to spend lots of money in a time (maybe for a poor results). buy the behringer ULTRA-G GI100, don't be fooled by their name it is a very good DI box, has a cab emulator you can use or not (most DI Box cant, or have or miss) and is cheap. Put bethween amp and speaker, and try some
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju some record. reduce or cancel all volume is another problem (and is usually a problem you cant solve in a very cheap way), but quality should be same. so if you satisfied for this try you can consider a load box and we can talk about best choice. you need a mixer for connect the DI box and you need some effect on it because the own reverb, listened in a direct recording can seem a bit rough. you can add all this after with your computer, the need is a genuine guitar tone
@rafport wow thanks for the long reply! I'm going to check out amplitude,and check prices too,so many possibilities! Also the Marshall class 5 head is coming,I heard the headphone Jack is after the power section,so there's 1 way to get power tube saturation without a speaker.
Maybe class 5 head-cab simulator-digital recorder...
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju happu to be useful :) maybe in pvt message we can talk without break in many part messages. power tube saturation is a great thing, but enter into a complex situation. in pratics it is a mixage of various parts (speaker, volume, feedback with instruments), is just one of the side of the full aspects. so wont expect a very realistic tone (if there are a internal DIbox it depends of their quality, their cab simulation, is a totally different thing than the real tube output)
I'm going to have to watch some more of your vids as I like your playing and you're using some gear I'm interested in. I was impressed with the tones you were getting with the behrenger cab simulator in another vid,and I was wondering,what to you think of the cab sims in this Vox unit? Would you consider using a head with dummy load and the cab emulation of this Vox?
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju Thank you for your nice words. There are various way to do records, and modeling are a quite new and effective way to obtain a good tone in a track. DI Box with the right work on it is surely complex and expensive respect modeling, but has his own tone and can record your tone of real amp that is great if you have a live experience and need to find a tone you can reproduce everywhere. I do some experiment mixing analogue tube amp/preamp record into modeled cab. For
@rafport For cab emulation i used Amplitube, which has a great and effective cab solutions. The Tonelab is absolutely lovely for my ears, and used all togheter on his parts is quite realistic and convincing sounding. But when i tried just the cab without the amp the magic evanished, they work great togheter but not alone. This is true even for other modeling solution. Amplitube is pretty good even alone. Flexibility is obviously on another planet respect the analogue cab emulation, you
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju you can obtain most different tones you can image just moving the simulated mic. anyway it felt something... strange, analogue cab emulation is in some way less complex but more authentic. for my ears and for my tries, i've not all hardware on market. anyway i think both solution are high level, i'm talking about feelings, and anyone has his taste. if you got yet all this hardware surely you can try. if you don't you can work a bit on it, anyway mixing modeling and real
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju real if both of good quality (and not all modeling for me is good quality, and price is not a guarantee of quality and vice-versa) i suspect is not a good idea. The quid you loose in conversion from analog to digital (it really depends on converter, there are expensive like your tube head!) is loss even if you put after, in mid or in front so maybe not so different if there are real tube or not, if somewhere the conversion happens. Is not a law, is just my feeling...
@javierf55 i think is one of best musical stuff i have buyed, for recording. especially for the price (if it costs double, i will consider anyway a good deal as for my ears play far better than pod hd models which costs much, much more)
@rafport Thanks for writting. One more question; I'm not an expert musician so I have my doubt on how to change a tone between a song. Say you start with a clean tone but in the middle of the song you want to make a solo with more crunch. How do you do this if the foot switches are just for up or down?
@The22ndBand headphones are connected to the tonelab. connecting a pedalboard via usb to a computer (is same for pod and for most of modeling product) make the pedalboard as an audio card, so you can ear computer audio and the own effect of pedalboard. the software you see in the video is called StLab and is a unofficial java application for the Tonelab ST (which has unfortunately a very poor and unkind software from vox). Has still some bug but is pretty nice
If you're even thinking about buying one there's no way it's not worth $100 used and even at $200 new it's a steal.
Woke up my vintage guitars since the preamp makes them LOUD through solid state amp. I was always bummed about all the buzz and farty tone I had dry and now it does whatever I want it to and NO BUZZ.
Nice to see a Line6 guy appreciate this box. I was this close to getting an X3L.
@bucktheusa i use modeling just for usb recording or night exercises with headphones, i use tube amps and analogue stomps for playing. I follow Line6 from their start, and the quality of the pod xt was stunning for their time (and is pretty decent just now after years), anyway i don't like much recent products. Quality of simulation of Amplitube 3 and even this Vox box for my ears and finger are far far better for my use (usb recording and NO real amp connection)
@AshBrookeMusic72 it is very well projected. foot should manage just pedal and 2 footswitch, all except knobs is metal and seem heavy as better stomps. for example i've a satchurator distortion box from box, footswitch look same as those, and are enough far if you are not an elephant :) if i remember well i read about a "lock" for avoid any accidentaly move on knobs for live session. anyway i use just with usb and headphone :)
non male credo...da poco piu' che neofita quale sono!! anni fa' (4 anni fa) ero indeciso tra la tonelab vox ed il podxtlive alla fine scelsi il secondo....cmq mi sembra un suono bello caldo!grazie!!ciao!!
@spikelive grazie a te del commento! io il pod ce l'ho da più tempo, ed era davvero avveneristico per l'epoca, ma ora decisamente preferisco questo (p.s. non credo che siano tutti i uguali i modelli del tonelab, presumo abbiano subito una evoluzione come gli altri prodotti, questo è stato comprato pochi giorni fa)
Anyone know how to silence the tuner?
robingahan1234 4 weeks ago
Ciao Raqffaele, complimenti davvero per la demo e per come suoni, chapeau!
Una domanda stupida: per un uso live con un vero ampli, c'è modo di bypassare il pedale e ascoltare il clean dell'ampli, usando poi il pedale soltanto per gli effetti?
Mi interessa moltissimo questo dettaglio, io userei il ToneLab come piccola pedaliera di emergenza quando non posso portarmi dietro quella principale con tutti i pedalini.
ciclosonico 7 months ago
@ciclosonico ciao grazie innanzitutto per i complimenti! allora vediamo... dico vediamo perché la uso (usavo ogni tanto cambio sto sempre a sperimentare, ora è ferma da un po) esclusivamente per il suono in cuffia e per le registrazioni. Sicuramente non ha uscite dirette che alcuni hanno, e manca un pulsante bypass totale. Quello che puoi fare è di fare un suono che abbia tutto spento e registrarlo su un banco. O al limite, ma ripeto sto ipotizzando, mettere la modalità accordatore non
rafport 7 months ago
@ciclosonico non silenziata, così che funga da bypass di fatto. Tieni conto che è una interfaccia digitale quindi il suono viene convertito in digitale e poi riconvertito ancora, non è male ma perdita ce n'è, non è un pezzo TC Electronics per capirci, qualche dettaglio e delle armoniche vanno perdute passandoci dentro anche in bypass. Dipende dai suoni che stai cercando. Secondo me come backup va più che bene e ha un costo molto abbordabile e dei controlli a pedale adatti all'uso live :)
rafport 7 months ago
@rafport Grazie per questa risposta istantanea! :)
Quindi posso creare un preset vuoto che mi fa comunque da bypass, e poi iniziare il banco di presets con effetti vari. Ottimo, questo mi premeva di capire! L'uso che ne farei è davvero molto ridotto: 4 suoni per la cover band quando in aereo è inutile litigare per portarsi dietro la pedaliera grossa, occasionali e tristissimi lavori in duo dove si entra in diretta nel mixer, e piccole registrazioni da homestudio senza ampli. Quindi è OK, grazie!
ciclosonico 7 months ago
@ciclosonico figurati, sto spesso al computer per lavoro e ho le notifiche via mail. Trovo che il tonelab sia un ottimo prodotto e anche il prezzo è particolarmente ragionevole, le maggiori possibilità di customizzazione di altre soluzioni trovo siano abbastanza inutili dato che cerco un buon amplificatore simulato ed un minimo di effetti ambientali (anche perché col modeling più cose simulate aggiungi in serie, meno credibile è il risultato). Penso potrebbe andar bene alle tue esigenze
rafport 7 months ago
quick question? so you can program the settings for each number so whey you just press the plus or minus sign it goes straight to it without you needing to turn the knobs?>
th3flash23 10 months ago
@th3flash23 exactly, you can store a complete setup (amp, stomps and effects) in a bank, and with minus and plus switch (metal ones, heavy duty like "serious" dpdt stomps) you can choose bank number. usually in a live performance guitarist use a group of tones, not dozen of but a pair of clean and of dirt.
rafport 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
See please my UTube post "Vox ToneLab works also with 12AX7 Tube removed".
oszyby 10 months ago
@rafport,yeah thanks for the advice "buy one thing at a time" it's so true! It's easy to get an idea like "head+attenuator+cab sim+interface+software+reverb in loop blah blah blah haha lol! maybe I should slow down and shop for a good small amp first,then try the behringer(I listened to an A/B challenge and picked this one over Palmer!)
1 at a time,1 at a time.
Hatafuriyamanokaiju 10 months ago
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju yes thanks is even a good advice i give often to myself. emphasis and great idea need lots of change, experiment... costs. It is good spend to have a better tone, but sometime you spend and have same or worst tone, it isn't math you cant image something you don't have. in theory yeah a real amp, a di box, a load box you have van halen tone but then you discover it is not like this, you need audio card of a level, this, that... one thing at time, then we judje if spend more:)
rafport 10 months ago
Hmmm,my comments aren't posting.
Hatafuriyamanokaiju 10 months ago
I'm trying to figure out how to im,I only have Android handy.
Anyway I'm trying to set up silent with power tubes.
Maybe: head-weber mass-cab simulator software.
Hatafuriyamanokaiju 10 months ago
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju i don't know if Android has some modeling software, i searched months ago (i had a tablet before ipad 2) and i cant find any. i can suggest you a thing? for buy things one to one, and avoid to spend lots of money in a time (maybe for a poor results). buy the behringer ULTRA-G GI100, don't be fooled by their name it is a very good DI box, has a cab emulator you can use or not (most DI Box cant, or have or miss) and is cheap. Put bethween amp and speaker, and try some
rafport 10 months ago
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju some record. reduce or cancel all volume is another problem (and is usually a problem you cant solve in a very cheap way), but quality should be same. so if you satisfied for this try you can consider a load box and we can talk about best choice. you need a mixer for connect the DI box and you need some effect on it because the own reverb, listened in a direct recording can seem a bit rough. you can add all this after with your computer, the need is a genuine guitar tone
rafport 10 months ago
@rafport wow thanks for the long reply! I'm going to check out amplitude,and check prices too,so many possibilities! Also the Marshall class 5 head is coming,I heard the headphone Jack is after the power section,so there's 1 way to get power tube saturation without a speaker.
Maybe class 5 head-cab simulator-digital recorder...
Hatafuriyamanokaiju 10 months ago
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju happu to be useful :) maybe in pvt message we can talk without break in many part messages. power tube saturation is a great thing, but enter into a complex situation. in pratics it is a mixage of various parts (speaker, volume, feedback with instruments), is just one of the side of the full aspects. so wont expect a very realistic tone (if there are a internal DIbox it depends of their quality, their cab simulation, is a totally different thing than the real tube output)
rafport 10 months ago
@rafport
I'm going to have to watch some more of your vids as I like your playing and you're using some gear I'm interested in. I was impressed with the tones you were getting with the behrenger cab simulator in another vid,and I was wondering,what to you think of the cab sims in this Vox unit? Would you consider using a head with dummy load and the cab emulation of this Vox?
Hatafuriyamanokaiju 10 months ago
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju Thank you for your nice words. There are various way to do records, and modeling are a quite new and effective way to obtain a good tone in a track. DI Box with the right work on it is surely complex and expensive respect modeling, but has his own tone and can record your tone of real amp that is great if you have a live experience and need to find a tone you can reproduce everywhere. I do some experiment mixing analogue tube amp/preamp record into modeled cab. For
rafport 10 months ago
@rafport For cab emulation i used Amplitube, which has a great and effective cab solutions. The Tonelab is absolutely lovely for my ears, and used all togheter on his parts is quite realistic and convincing sounding. But when i tried just the cab without the amp the magic evanished, they work great togheter but not alone. This is true even for other modeling solution. Amplitube is pretty good even alone. Flexibility is obviously on another planet respect the analogue cab emulation, you
rafport 10 months ago
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju you can obtain most different tones you can image just moving the simulated mic. anyway it felt something... strange, analogue cab emulation is in some way less complex but more authentic. for my ears and for my tries, i've not all hardware on market. anyway i think both solution are high level, i'm talking about feelings, and anyone has his taste. if you got yet all this hardware surely you can try. if you don't you can work a bit on it, anyway mixing modeling and real
rafport 10 months ago
@Hatafuriyamanokaiju real if both of good quality (and not all modeling for me is good quality, and price is not a guarantee of quality and vice-versa) i suspect is not a good idea. The quid you loose in conversion from analog to digital (it really depends on converter, there are expensive like your tube head!) is loss even if you put after, in mid or in front so maybe not so different if there are real tube or not, if somewhere the conversion happens. Is not a law, is just my feeling...
rafport 10 months ago
What are the two knobs under the tuner for ?
1996Prashant 10 months ago
@1996Prashant they're switch to change bank with foot (previous o next bank). this is a reproduction of a real tonelab, which is also a pedalboard
rafport 10 months ago
I demand more videos on tonelabST, and showing the real unit not just the STlab interface.. haha
kustomkarson 11 months ago
I've just bought it after looking for weeks at the Boss me25, digitech rp355 and the blackstar ht dual... let's see.
javierf55 11 months ago
@javierf55 i think is one of best musical stuff i have buyed, for recording. especially for the price (if it costs double, i will consider anyway a good deal as for my ears play far better than pod hd models which costs much, much more)
rafport 11 months ago
@rafport Thanks for writting. One more question; I'm not an expert musician so I have my doubt on how to change a tone between a song. Say you start with a clean tone but in the middle of the song you want to make a solo with more crunch. How do you do this if the foot switches are just for up or down?
javierf55 11 months ago
i have one too,it plays very good,too bad there isn't a sustainer built in it
strontophetnet 1 year ago
Bro, what kind of software do you use to hear the tonelab through your PC using headphones. Thanks!
The22ndBand 1 year ago
@The22ndBand headphones are connected to the tonelab. connecting a pedalboard via usb to a computer (is same for pod and for most of modeling product) make the pedalboard as an audio card, so you can ear computer audio and the own effect of pedalboard. the software you see in the video is called StLab and is a unofficial java application for the Tonelab ST (which has unfortunately a very poor and unkind software from vox). Has still some bug but is pretty nice
rafport 1 year ago
@rafport Thanks for your reply, very well appreciated! :)
The22ndBand 1 year ago
@The22ndBand I reply at any message, i'm here for share knowledge and talk to other musicians :) Ler me know if i can aid in someway. Bye!
rafport 1 year ago
This thing is fookin sick!
If you're even thinking about buying one there's no way it's not worth $100 used and even at $200 new it's a steal.
Woke up my vintage guitars since the preamp makes them LOUD through solid state amp. I was always bummed about all the buzz and farty tone I had dry and now it does whatever I want it to and NO BUZZ.
Nice to see a Line6 guy appreciate this box. I was this close to getting an X3L.
bucktheusa 1 year ago
@bucktheusa i use modeling just for usb recording or night exercises with headphones, i use tube amps and analogue stomps for playing. I follow Line6 from their start, and the quality of the pod xt was stunning for their time (and is pretty decent just now after years), anyway i don't like much recent products. Quality of simulation of Amplitube 3 and even this Vox box for my ears and finger are far far better for my use (usb recording and NO real amp connection)
rafport 1 year ago
@rafport would this be good for some heavy metal
CreepingMetalDeath 1 year ago
@CreepingMetalDeath it plays very good with hi gain tones, i think can be a good interface for this use
rafport 1 year ago
@rafport thanx dude subscribed ;)
CreepingMetalDeath 1 year ago
@CreepingMetalDeath thanks, i'm here if you need other info :)
rafport 1 year ago
Magical
ak47s762 1 year ago
What do you record with?
Guitarherochamp123 1 year ago
@Guitarherochamp123 all details are on the video information
rafport 1 year ago
very good!! I was looking at one of these also. are the switches too close?
AshBrookeMusic72 1 year ago
@AshBrookeMusic72 it is very well projected. foot should manage just pedal and 2 footswitch, all except knobs is metal and seem heavy as better stomps. for example i've a satchurator distortion box from box, footswitch look same as those, and are enough far if you are not an elephant :) if i remember well i read about a "lock" for avoid any accidentaly move on knobs for live session. anyway i use just with usb and headphone :)
rafport 1 year ago
Still sounds pretty good. I'd like to hear more when you have some more tones.
All the best.
Stratboy999 1 year ago
@Stratboy999 thanks i'll post other videos in a next time, i guess i'll use the tonelab for my standard internet vids in future :)
rafport 1 year ago
non male credo...da poco piu' che neofita quale sono!! anni fa' (4 anni fa) ero indeciso tra la tonelab vox ed il podxtlive alla fine scelsi il secondo....cmq mi sembra un suono bello caldo!grazie!!ciao!!
spikelive 1 year ago
@spikelive grazie a te del commento! io il pod ce l'ho da più tempo, ed era davvero avveneristico per l'epoca, ma ora decisamente preferisco questo (p.s. non credo che siano tutti i uguali i modelli del tonelab, presumo abbiano subito una evoluzione come gli altri prodotti, questo è stato comprato pochi giorni fa)
rafport 1 year ago