How to Win an Argument with a Vegetarian - Denise Minger

[oozhaboo]

part 2- people are around me because they don't affect me. That's what works for me and I don't give a shit about anybody else. Why should I?

[oozhaboo]

By no means do I plan on being a strict Vegan but my girlfriend's daughter calls herself a vegetarian and never even eats vegetables! lol. I love vegetables and try and eat them every single day. I just think that if you go one way or the other too extremely you're going to be headed for trouble. I say drink a healthy amount of water each day, eat fruits and vegetables each day, eat some meat but don't overeat anything. I haven't been sick in many years and I never worry about when other sick

[georgesbackyardgym]

stupid as fuck just another follower, follow the flock you dumb bitch

[Unify69]

What I think is that: If it tastes good, eat it. Nuff said bitches

[zoemei]

What makes us sick is all the processed, junk food and refined sugars. Eating a balanced diet which includes fruit, veg, nuts, seeds and a little bit of meat is healthy.

[zoemei]

@lauraanne1973 'we are apes' are you serious?

[lauraanne1973]

i just can't take anything this silly little girl says seriously. that god aweful  laugh and idiot views...even if i did believe what she said i could listen to her.

PS...folks do your research before you follow and believe her.....we are apes...most apes do NOT eat meat....and if you want to eat it then go kill it ur self...skip the middle man...if you can't do the kill and skin your food, why would you want to eat it?...

[wormmy1]

@lauraanne1973 Denise did her research. She's the one who found that T. Collin Campbell basically twisted everything in the China Study. There is a link to Denise's site under "show more." I suggest you read it. All her research is transparent; anyone can check it. Campbell still will not reveal his methodology even though he says it's all written up.

By the way, many of us like hunting and fishing. I don't understand how that's an argument against eating animals. LOL!

[earthisonecountry]

@wormmy1 "Many of us like hunting and fishing"..Do we really? No only retards like going out hunting sentient beings.

[MichaelWinemaster]

@lauraanne1973 "folks do your research before you follow and believe her.....we are apes...most apes do NOT eat meat." that's your research? you seriously believe that you're an ape, with a neverending colon, give me a break :)

[doona42]

i love meat and would find it very hard to give up completely ..........my frustration as a everyday member of the public is that both sides of the arugement can get studies to support there case :(

Also it seems obvious to me that these battles are more about who can win the arugument rather than finding the truth..........our children are getting sicker and sicker every year, the stakes are too high :(

[wormmy1]

@doona42 Try both and decide for yourself. Denise, I, and many others have been the vegan route thinking it to be healthiest. We all became ill. That's what has led most of us to take a harder look at what we've been told all of our lives.

[DrewPicklesOgre]

Denise Minger is my goddess

[earthisonecountry]

@DrewPicklesOgre The bitch knows jack shit, she is my whore.

[feralart]

It is not the meat that causes the problems, it's the wheat and other grains. Our bodies are not made to process it. Throughout the vast majority of human history, people have been hunter gatherers. That means we've lived as paleos,and were healthier for it. Medical Anthropology proves that the introduction of agriculture is the point at which heart disease, cancer, bone and muscle disease, and so many other afflictions became a large risk.

[fishluv1]

WOW this must be why Americans are the healthiest people on the planet! Those darn Chinese with their low rates of cancer and heart disease need to eat more meat!

[foolsrushin87]

@wormmy1 Animal flesh does put a strain on the gastrointestinal tract and make a person shit rocks. No I will not add butter, eat branches/roots and drink crazy amounts of water to lubricate my gastrointestinal tract. - Any other ideas then show a video of a very ditsy girl that doesn't know the difference between Glycogenesis and Gluconeogenesis(inhibited by Glycogenesis)?

[LuckynumberSlevin11]

Did she study medicine? Did she even study science?

[yutu34]

I'd love to watch all of this talk, but the audio is so atrocious, I'm afraid I have to leave.

[Jordonified]

Why would someone listen to the health advice of a teenager? STFU Denise, get an education, publish some studies and then talk shit. Stupid bitch.

[wormmy1]

@Jordonified She's very educated and will be 25 this year. I'm sure she'd thank you for the compliment. At any rate, it's yet another logical fallacy that she must be wrong because she's young. By the way, she and some others are in the process of getting some of her research reviewed and published.

Now stop with the derogatory comments. If you don't have anything useful to say, don't say anything at all.

[Jordonified]

@wormmy1 She has no education in nutrition and has no study's published. Thanks for furthering my point ;)

[hearthealthylegacy]

@wormmy1 So apparently you're a kid yourself, huh?

[PeeyanoKeys]

@Jordonified Must be comfy in that tinfoil helmet of yours

[fyrfytertraining]

And I'm sure I'll be blocked again for criticism...

[wormmy1]

@fyrfytertraining Making derogatory (not critical) comments will get you blocked and making a new account makes you the same person so... you're blocked!

[hearthealthylegacy]

@wormmy1 Don't flatter yourself, I didn't "create" an account, I've had several accounts for different purposes for some time... my comments were not derogatory, they were simply hard for you to hear. So block me... but seriously, get a life... I had already forgotten about this site. And be sure to continue "blocking" anybody who disagrees with you or this moronic video... that will DEFINITELY show people that you're right, they're wrong, and you can sleep better at night...

[hearthealthylegacy]

@wormmy1 Don't forget to block me again! Wouldn't want anyone hearing a dissenting argument, now would we?

[fyrfytertraining]

The ignorance in this video is astounding. The people you criticize in your presentation never said anything about a VEGAN diet; in fact, they specifically identify the fact that vegan does not necessarily mean healthy. They promote "whole food/plant based" eating. No shocker that someone intelligent enough to eliminate animal products from their diet would also eliminate processed foods. Such biased propaganda... You should be working for the cigarette industry. What a warped load of crap...

[brianv00]

@fyrfytertraining The point she was making is that vegans promote their diet by citing evidence of plant based foods being good for some diseases, where in fact these diets eliminate a range of foods other than animal products, thus it isn't logical to assume that animal products are as disease promoting as refined/processed foods. Also, as she pointed out, there is no real evidence that a whole foods plant based diet is more beneficial than a whole foods diet that includes animal products.

[wormmy1]

@brianv00 Thank you!

[hearthealthylegacy]

@brianv00 It may not be the ONLY thing bad for you, sure... but it's still bad fo you.

[ga31989]

Get a life! No one really cares as much as you have made a name for yourself pretending they do....

[fyrfytertraining]

@ga31989 How much do you think she was paid to make this "appearance" and rant her ridiculous babble? It seems she is making quite a name for herself spreading her distortions.

[fyrfytertraining]

@ga31989 YOU WERE BLOCKED FROM POSTING BECAUSE YOU CRITICIZED THE VIDEO?!? Wish I could say I was shocked... but of course, this ridiculous argument can't stand up to any meaningful discussion, so you have to resort to such antics.

[iceblume]

Part 1:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win." M.Gandhi

Denice doesn't mention that each of those doctors seriously dissuades from eating animal protein in addition to the other advises she mentions and that they do have evidence! 

[wormmy1]

@iceblume That's the point! Low carb/paleo cardiologists are just as successful, if not MORE in reversing heart disease. Denise was pointing out the common denominator and it certainly isn't animal foods. It's the wheat, sugar, vegetable oils, and processed food.

And I don't know why you're quoting Gandhi. Vegans are the most aggressive creatures on the planet. They are always on the attack.

[fyrfytertraining]

@wormmy1 It appears to be the other way around on this blog... pre-planning "how to win an argument with a vegetarian"? How about mind your own business and quit being argumentative?

[Vegarchy]

*Vegan is about to speak

"We actually need to go to a break"

*Video ends

[VerenaZyla]

I turned vegetarian for ethical reasons and have been more healthy and energetic since Ive done so. I have also cut out dairy from my diet now because of a chronic sinus infection - the results speak for themselves (in a good way). I understand when people say they need animal protein, but then at least stick to eggs and milk? Most of us would not kill an animal every day to get to eat a burger. Modern society is not made to eat meat; we do not work on fields or go hunting!

[wickedtothemisty]

Had my first heart attack at 42, no family history of heart disease. Ignored my high chloesterol that developed in the last five years. Don't listen to this woman.

[wormmy1]

@wickedtothemisty Traditional peoples ate lots of animal products yet were free of cancer and heart disease. I bet you ate a lot of grains and processed food. I would join the Track Your Plaque program of Dr. William Davis'. He successfully reverses heart disease in his patients. The first thing he'd have you eliminate is wheat.

[hearthealthylegacy]

@wormmy1 Maybe traditional people just didn't have the means to record the data for us. Did you ask them that? Oh, that's right - you can't, can you? Because YOU DON"T KNOW FOR SURE, DO YOU? There is no way to ask them, is there? Bogus data again... BTW, what the heck do you mean by "traditional people"?

[wormmy1]

@hearthealthylegacy Read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A Price . Someone did MORE than ask them.

[fyrfytertraining]

@wickedtothemisty Well spoken...

[pokev]

I struggle to see reason behind an entire presentation on this topic, especially one based on the suppositions of someone who has so little background in science she depends on the audience to make any points.

[JulietHuman]

@pokev Look up the term "logical fallacy"

[ecology1st]

Vegan Athlete Crowned World's Toughest Woman!

Athlete's name - Juliana Sproles

[wormmy1]

@ecology1st Why do vegans feel the need to publicize the very few of them who can accomplish something such as winning a sport or living to 90? That's right. Most of them can't.

[ecology1st]

@wormmy1 Actually there wormmy, you're flipping reality on its head with your comment because statistically when one considers how few vegans there are in the U.S it speaks volumes when you see them doing well in athletic competition. When calculating the odds you would think vegans would never finish better than middle of the pack, but facts show vegans generally finish near or at the top. This fact is certainly worth publicizing indeed.

[LloydChristmas777]

@ecology1st, Exactly. Statistically vegans are less than one percent of the US population and less than one percent of the UK population. If vegans are are doing well at top level competition, then these athletes are beating incredible odds.

[Millencholyman]

This seminar is completely bizarre! I cannot understand Denise Mingers points.....so she's saying that Vegans exercise more, smoke less and drink less but then says they that is the reason why they appear healthier.....shouldn't that be a good thing? The fact that vegans exercise and generally don't put toxic things into their body surely is not a strong arguement against being vegan?

[Millencholyman]

@Millencholyman P.S. If she has put so much effort into pulling apart the vegan ideology preached by T. Colin Campbell and pals then how come they never use the term vegan? They are not just attacking meat and never say it is just meat and dairy that causes these diseases. They always say to eat a whole foods plant based diet! Where does she get it in her head that they say otherwise? They are pretty upfront about their stance on refined sugars etc. but she seems to think they just attack meat!

[Tailflap]

Denise you are gorgeous and I wanna marry you!

[WillBosPS]

She's living proof that animal fat kills brain cells.

[AcePro]

These vegetarians prove what was written in "The Vegetarian Myth". Vegetarians are typically very angry and cult-like from lack of nutrients to the brain.

[jogee1]

@AcePro I dunno, to be honest this sounds like a bunch of telemarketers (worse than cultists in my opion and I used to do telemarketing) working on their rebuttals to common ways customers try to justify not buying what their selling :)

[Tailflap]

Reading through the comments it looks like the vegans don't like this presentation. Some of them make personal comments about her rather than querying her arguments.

[Tailflap]

You are fit

[1imesub]

She's unattractive.

[AlbertaBeefy]

@1imesub that's your opinion. I think she's kinda cute. I'm wondering how you finding her un-attractive makes her incorrect though?

Oh wait... that's typical vegan logic, nevermind.

[odin422]

what a dumb bitch

[AlbertaBeefy]

@odin422 and your claim to fame is? She's actually quite intelligent though her public-speaking skills aren't as polished as many vegan propagandists.

[Lixuzstatic]

She suggested it could be alcohol having a significant impact on health in western countries. How about this? Asians that come to US and put on weight don't drink a lot as they don't have the tolerance for it built into them. Alcohol consumption also has such effects as lowering cholesterol. Do you really think UK and US vegetarians/vegans in general are that health concious? They drink less based on one study of the polish, really, Is that all you got? Very weak arguments.

[wormmy1]

@Lixuzstatic Asians who come to the west start eating more wheat, sugar and processed foods. They eventually adopt the western diet. If their alcohol consumption remained the same, what else would explain it? No, it's not meat. Hunter gather societies are extremely resilient against DOCs and they all eat/ate animal products.

I was a vegan for health reasons before I realized what it was doing to me. Yes, more vegans/vegetarians have health interests than SAD eaters.

[Lixuzstatic]

@wormmy1 I'm sure everyone will make good improvements cutting their calories, processed food and refined sugar with or without giving up meat. Certain people might be sensitive to the kind of wheat we grow these days but in it's whole form (not bread)it shouldn't make you overweight.

I can't remember her stating what the problems were with veganism. Just weakly supported guesses as to why they appear healthier in studies. That's my problem. Not any better than saying lack of meat.

[Snackay]

You spelled vegetarian incorrectly.

[justtind]

her hair is tore up! lol

[DrMarkSuarezPhD]

DENISE MINGER GO POOPY !!!!!!!!

[Razwell]

BOTH camps are QUAKCS. The Paleo gurus as well as Campbell. Both have biases, both are BROSCIENCE.

Cellular research will ead us to the optimal diet- WHICH IS NOT KNOWN currently

[Razwell]

Paleolithic humans would NOT win the battle aginst an animal even bigger than modern elephants. Any small success they had would have caost them dearly with many lives. Even a HANDGUN fired 73 times does NOT stop a circus elephant.

Their meat was RODENT like things, and smaller creatures. Look up what ARDI and LUCY ate, and stop reading Wolf and Sisson the charlatans.

[JulietHuman]

@Razwell When did I say that? I believe they ate mostly fish but it's not hard to hunt an elephant. Africans are still doing it with spears! 

[RawAthlete]

@Razwell There is plenty of evidnce that neanderthals were murdered violently by larger animals. This points to eating larger animals..

[Razwell]

Denise Minger looks Angelina JolieISH. Way hotter than Freelee.

[JulietHuman]

@Razwell Isotopic analysis keep finding over and over that European and Asian Paleo humans ate mostly carnivorous diets. Meat wasn't only a part of the diet. It was most of it.

[Razwell]

@JulietHuman

Sorry, that is BROscience. Early human ancestors ate ROOT VEGETABLES, GRAINS- YES GRAINS ( SMITHSONIAN had the evidence) - limited fruit, NUTS , stolen eggs, seeds, MEAT ( rodents etc,) and INSECTS.

Do YOU know how FAST an elephant can run? Or how well they semll or how strong they are.

mark Sisson is a FRAUD.

[Razwell]

Genuine science does NOT permit the extravagances of both Anthony Colpo and T. Colin Campbell.

[Razwell]

Denise Minger and Anthony Colpo are BOTH crackpots ( but at least Denise is HOT) who do not understand how science works. Nutritional science is in its infancy. Too little is yet known to science . Science is a work in progress. All genuine scientists admit uncertainty and vast unknowns .

We must have a complete understanding of cellular biochemical operations bewfo eknowing the optimal diet. It's NOT learned by shoving foodstuffs into people mouth, then tracking mortality rates........

[Lixuzstatic]

lol. I grew loads of strawberries in my garden two years running just by planting and watering them.

Go live on pure sugar? Who has ever suggested that?

Yes everyone should try a vegan diet. Make sure to eat enough calories from whole foods. You may find that your muscle size decreases. This is not lack of protein. It's lack of growth promoting hormones. You can increase these naturally through working out.

[Lixuzstatic]

No we can't live off raw grass or whatever. The point is, it has a relatively small amount of protein and adequate amounts of the same form of calcium, iron etc as we find in domesticated cooked vegetables which we can digest perfectly fine.

A cow can digest grass and gets x amount of protein from it, grows big & strong. Humans can eat plant foods with similar amounts of protein and also grow big & strong. Same applies to more active creatures. Your argument is misleading and missing the point.

[wormmy1]

@Lixuzstatic No. A cow, or gorilla is able to transform fiber to fat in the gut. Humans can't do that. Humans need to obtain fat from animal foods.

[Lixuzstatic]

@wormmy1 What has that got to do with protein, iron, calcium in domesticated plants like fruits, greens and roots? I'm not denying that cows and gorillas can derive energy from fibre where we can't so much. This is what allows us to spend more energy on our brains. I'm talking about muscle and good bones here. A cow can derive say 50g of usuable protein from x amount of grass. A human can derive 50g of protein from domesticated plants. Same amount of protein just derived differently.

[JulietHuman]

@Lixuzstatic We don't have the microbes to break down the cell walls so that we can get the nutrients inside. It's made worse by the lack of fat soluble vitamins. That's why so many vegans end up with bad teeth.

[Lixuzstatic]

@JulietHuman Look. Other animals of our size can live off plant based nutrition. The only difference is in the type of foods we can consume to get the nutrition. We can't eat grass I know. Or leaves. Or live off a lot of raw vegetables. We need cooked food or sweet raw fruits or we can't get the all that nutrition from our foods.

I'd like to see these vegans with bad teeth. 2 year vegan, 15 year vegetarian, my teeth are great. Seen lots of people with bad teeth. None of them vegan.

[jogee1]

@Lixuzstatic How are your Vitamin B12 levels? Do you need to supplement to maintain them?

Can you please explain how would humans have gotten enough Vitamin B12 without eating other animals?

Thanks :)

[Lixuzstatic]

@jogee1 I don't know how my B12 levels are. I have no symptoms of deficiency. B12 deficiency occurs in meat eaters too. I'm not sure where people get the idea that most vegans are B12 deficient. It just isn't the case. B12 is very recycled in the body. You can go years without consuming any. There's nothing wrong with taking a supplement if it works for you. I do supplement but only to be safe. B12 can be found on organic vegetables. :)

[jogee1]

@Lixuzstatic Thanks. How is B12 found on organic veggies? Via bacteria as you mentioned in your other reply, or in other ways?

Could B12 be being included in other products because they enhance the uptake/usability (not sure of the right word to use :) ) of other vitamins in the product? Much like it's better to get your vitamins from a whole food than as a single element from a supplement, because of other factors in the food.

[Lixuzstatic]

@jogee1 I don't think B12 is something only other animals can create. We lived without consuming animals for millions of years so our ability to get it from wherever other animals get it from is likely to still be there. I think it comes from soil but I don't really know exactly. I really don't think it's worth talking about. Supplements work like I said. Only if the B12 supp is hydroxo or cyanocobalamin will you need enough folate to convert it to adenosyl and methylcobalamin.

[Lixuzstatic]

@jogee1 Or you can just directly take those things as supplements. No conversion needed. Folate is easy enough to get by the way. Folic acid in supplements is no good though. It's likely true that some supplements are actually bad for you (folic acid, ascorbic acid, iron), useless or inferior but it doesn't apply to all of them. There are good and bad forms of vitamin c for example.

I don't know why people would add B12 to their supplements other than to boost peoples B12 levels.

[LloydChristmas777]

@Lixuzstatic, B12 being an only vegan issue is something you find out by reading paleo sites and believing what you want to believe. Most of them have never even heard of B12 before.

[Lixuzstatic]

@jogee1 Bacteria on unwashed tubers or leaves could have possibly supplied B12. I'm not denying that a lot of our B12 came from meat. This isn't something that concerns me at all. Even if meat was the most ideal source for B12, I have to take into account the other effects eating meat could have. B12 supplements work just fine. Even low carb gurus like Sisson put B12 in their products.

[Millencholyman]

@wormmy1 I see you know what you are talking about (nb. main contain sarcasm), because animal fats are the only foods with fat? What about Avocados, nuts, seeds, tofu, olives etc. These and many other vegetables and nuts all contain fair amounts of fats.

[wormmy1]

@Millencholyman They don't have the the fat soluble vitamins or EPA and DHA necessary for human survival.

[Lixuzstatic]

Isn't it about time the meat had evolved Denise's brain?

[stevesusenet]

No disrespect to Mz Minger, but I saw a picture of her on Google posing in a cut off t-shirt. Just because someone has cut abs when they flex doesn't mean they are healthy. Look at the whole body in those pictures. See if the arms and legs look thin. They do for Denise. Her hips look bony and her head looks too large for her body. She looks like a woman who is not getting enough to eat and who may have an eating disorder.

[newtofruit]

@ecology1st how is this spam?

I went to the site and thought it to very informative!

[AcePro]

@ecology1st Giggling makes you unintelligent?

[15hmael]

Can't say I agree with her very non-objective nutritional advice,but man she's hot.How's that for apoplectic.

[AuntieTruth]

It's kind of funny to see the vegans be all apoplectic at Denise.

[wormmy1]

@AuntieTruth That's the perfect word.

[checkingavailabilify]

@AuntieTruth The angst towards her is hilarious. Although I didn't hear any of them calling her the devil in disguise when she was debunking some of the claims made about modern fruit. Funny that.

[wormmy1]

@checkingavailabilify She is one of the most objective people there are in the nutrition world. She'll debunk anything that needs debunking without prejudice!

[ecology1st]

@wormmy1 ha ha ha ha. An individual with no science degree will debunk science studies! lol. Man, it really is true that meat clogs the arteries to your brain!

[bloblablaw]

Wow, she is a great writer but a terrible speaker.

[ecology1st]

@bloblablaw You mean shes a creative writer that creates what the meat and dairy industry pays her to conclude. When you don't have a science degree, you have to be creative because there's nothing else you can be.

[RawAthlete]

@bloblablaw You think so? I didn't think she was bad. Laughs a lot and it was pretty organized. Could go at a faster pace but i'm impatient a little

[style2fine]

Q: Why does vegan chese taste bad? A: It hasn't been tested on mice

[ecology1st]

She's lying through her teeth about the Adventist study. The Adventist study clearly shows the Adventist who refrained from meat eating lived even longer than the Adventist who eat meat. I feel sorry for anyone listening to this dingbat.

[ecology1st]

The meat and dairy industry obviously has another paid puppet in Denise Minger. Sickening to see this young woman directly and indirectly giggling away at the fact she's telling people to torture and kill animals... especially considering there is no need whatsoever for animal products in the human body.

[newtofruit]

@ecology1st Weston A Price Foundation pays her..yet she follows an 80/10/10 diet with eggs and fish every now and then..

[ecology1st]

@newtofruit It figures. LOL . Not to mention she doesn't even have a science degree, and yet here she is lecturing about health. To funny!

[newtofruit]

@ecology1st I'd rather listen to someone that knows a little something about the field that there preaching about and atleast follow their OWN advice! She really gives you no real science or research to back up her "findings"all she says is "GOOGLE IT" I'd rather listen to to somone that didnt google ALL there questions. It's rediculous! My husband used her critique of the China Study to tell me that it proves that not eating meat causes disease...umm okay can someone plese point

[newtofruit]

@newtofruit that part out to me? Considering that So many people have cured cancer and almost every other autoimmune disease out there on a plant based diet..Can someone point me to an actual person that reversed their heart disease with a meat based diet? because I can give you a list of Doctors that have done it time and time again with their patients! People need to open their eyes! We really don't even need all the evidence that we have that a plant based diet is superior, its

[newtofruit]

@newtofruit just plain common sense!

[checkingavailabilify]

@newtofruit

lol have you been living under a rock?

There's hundreds and thousands of scientific examples of people reversing and healing lots of ailments and metabolic disorders on a low carb high fat animal product based diet from kidney failure, hypertention, obesity, hypercholesterolemia, insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia, chron's and celiac, IBS, meniers disease, gastointestinal disorders, skin disorders, increased tryglicerides diabetes and even epilepsy in children.

[newtofruit]

@checkingavailabilify then you can give me the references to these? I already know you can loose weight on a high fat low carb diet..everyone knows that! All its doing is tricking your brain into thinking its starving so it burns the fat because you have no carbs! unhealthy

[checkingavailabilify]

@newtofruit Sure, I posted some links on my page. I can't post them in the comments.

[jogee1]

@newtofruit They've cured these illnesses in the same way that many people eating an ancestral diet that still includes meat have... cutting out highly processed crap which contributed to, if not caused, the illnesses in the first place.

[ecology1st]

Someone needs to clue in dingy Denise Minger that the largest human longevity study ever done clearly shows humans increase their lifespan when they are vegetarian or vegan. The study is the one done on The Seventh Day Adventist.

[checkingavailabilify]

@ecology1st They lived an average of 4.5 years longer than the average Californian. You'll also notice the vegetarians in that study also didn't smoke, drank 70% less alcohol, exercised 25% more, drank more water, consumed more wholemeal bread instead of white and ate less processed food and sugary drinks. But sure, you can ignore all that..

[ecology1st]

@checkingavailabilify Yes, you should also cut out all the other bad stuff too, I never said you shouldn't, but keep in mind the ones that eat the least or no meat lived longest in the Adventist study. A macro break down of the study showed that group living 10 years longer. Not just 4.5 years longer. Plus there are numerous recent studies showing a modest decrease in the human lifespan from animal meat consumption. Colon cancer, Pancreatic cancer, and heart disease being the most notable.

[checkingavailabilify]

@ecology1st Really? Show me these isolated clinical studies. Not some observational epidemiological study. You'll find 2 of the countries with the highest life expectancy and low cancer and heart disease rates, Monaco and Andorra, have a high animal product consumption. Does that mean that a diet high in animal products PROVE you will live longer? No. What it does prove is that animal products are not the causation of these diseases or increased mortality rates that some people try to claim.

[ecology1st]

@checkingavailabilify Actually what you'll find is that cultures that eat mainly meat or dairy rarely have any individuals living past the age of 55. Check out the life expectancy of the Eskimo's, and the high dairy consuming African tribes. Check out nutritionfacts - dot - org for the isolated clinical studies you're looking for on meat consumption. Once you're on that site click on 'browse all topics'. Then scroll down to the word 'meat'. Then watch whatever short vid clips you choose.

[checkingavailabilify]

@ecology1st Some of the countries with high life expectancy have a high animal product consumption and some are low, there's more issues that play into life expectancy then diet. But if some high animal products consumers live long, didn't it occur to you, that MAYBE that's not the issue?. The fact that you even bought up the life expectancy of african tribes make me want to bang my head on my keyboard. Tell me, how's the healthcare system and access to modern medicine in remote African tribes?

[Millencholyman]

@checkingavailabilify "But if some high animal products consumers live long....MAYBE that's not the issue?" That's the same logic as saying that everyone who smokes tobacco is going to die of lung disease. Jeanne Calment the oldest person who ever lived was 122 and smoked until 117; yet that doesn't prove that smoking isn't linked to lung cancer. Taking a few individual cases and applying them to all never works. When you look at the big picture it starts becoming clearer.

[checkingavailabilify]

@Millencholyman Yet smokings is proven to cause lung cancer. Animal products are not.

[Millencholyman]

@checkingavailabilify You have completely missed my point. You stated because a few people ate meat and lived for a long period of time that means that meat doesn't affect life expectancy. My point was that some smokers live for a long time but that doesn't mean smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. Even up to 50 years ago some doctors claimed that smoking didn't cause lung disease which we know now to be wrong. What's to say this isn't the case with meat as well? Again, individual cases don't work

[JulietHuman]

@Millencholyman Yep! Even smokers among the traditional dieters don't get heart disease or cancer. That's how protective a clean and balanced, omnivorous, traditional diet is.

[Millencholyman]

@checkingavailabilify My argument was against your logic rather than the science. You can't make large claims about cancer or disease based on individual cases as everyones bodies are different.

[checkingavailabilify]

@ecology1st Lol @ that vegetarian site you linked me when I was asking for studies, all I saw was 2min elemental videos directed at 3rd graders on the dangers of cholesterol in eggs and the basics of the lipid hypothesis. Check the ACJN studies on saturated animal fat, I can't post the links here.

[RawAthlete]

@ecology1st I've never heard of this, care to send a link?

[JulietHuman]

@checkingavailabilify Kudos for having the patience, objectivity and intelligence that many lack... or rather choose not to utilise.

[ecology1st]

I cant believe anyone would listen to this dingbat Minger for their nutritional advice.

[stevesusenet]

Denis Minger debunked  tinyurl DOT com/3bkmf7y

[TroopCollector]

What a Paleo hoe

[Jordonification]

Besides babbling on about nothing with zero backed up evidence for most of the presentation she has no valid remarks for the china study. What causes high cholesterol and coronary heart disease? Rice and fruit? These people really have no idea. I would like to see her explain my health, living off a high carb low fat diet. Judge by results not theory. I want to see some peer reviewed studies come out PROVING that carbs make you fat, and fat makes you fit. Otherwise its just a lot of talk.

[wormmy1]

@Jordonification The study, "Saturated fat, carbohydrates and cardiovascular disease. " Suggests replacing carbohydrates with saturated fat.

The largest associasion with heart disease in the China Study data is with wheat. Campbell failed to mention this but anyone can look it up for themselves. For studies about fat vs carb, Good Calories, Bad Calories is has loads of them.

[ecology1st]

@wormmy1 Dude, Minger doesn't know a spoon from a fork. She has no degree in science whatsoever, and you're sitting here quoting her babbling over an esteemed scientist like Campbell. If you want to increase your nutritional knowledge from a science based site, go to nutritionfacts - dot - org

[JulietHuman]

@Jordonification See the other study I posted. There's also this:

Dietary fats, carbohydrate, and progression of coronary atherosclerosis in postmenopausal women

Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression.

[wormmy1]

@JulietHuman They're both good ones, JulietHuman. We should all start keeping track of these for such occasions. :)

[machesterman83]

@Jordonification. You should read her blog. It's incredible. She's a tremendous writer and researcher. Unfortunately she doesn't come off well as a speaker.

[newtofruit]

@machesterman83 well I would hope she would be a good writer considering she majored in English..

[MyTheraf]

Great video with great information. You really know how to make a good presentation.

I got to the Paleo lifestyle by the primal blueprint by mark sisson and it makes so much sense. I love it.

[AcePro]

Denise Minger is so intelligent and beautiful, I want to marry her.

[revolutionist14]

what a proper fucking cunt. bitch. honestly, had to even throw in a 9/11 reference. what a cunt to sit here and joke about such serious subjects

[john11374]

Such a poor poor vid,waffel waffel waffel........where is the argumen.fast forward 5 mins waffle fast forward 10 mins waffel waffel waffel....Denise honey you have nothing.Did you really read the China study????come on really? Your viewers loved it being already predisposed...Have you actually had an illness ?mmm yes you might then have a differant perspective.

[avene]

Hahahaha, she has absolutely no idea!!!

[b0ondockz]

 *snore*

[paraplegicgiraffe]

@wormmy1 I already read the critique.

[paraplegicgiraffe]

read the "critique of her critique" on the China study at 30 bananas a day. Stay informed, do all your research, and decide for yourself.

[jochem86]

next tot the fact is was very informative it was also nice to look at a very healthy looking woman instead of some old grey scientist ;-) I am on a paleo type diet for a few months and i feel and look great :)

[ReniLariH]

This song is dedicated to my blubbery Paleo-friends

Meat is your staple ~

Oh you believed in fable?

Fats and oils are my art

Doctor, why cut my heart?

Fruit is bad for you!

It belongs to ~

Monkeys in zoo!

Not for humans (*you fool!) *Primal Chant sings this.

[JulietHuman]

Nutrition, Metabolism and Cardiovascular Diseases, Volume 19, Issue 7, September 2009, Pages 504-510 A high menaquinone intake reduces the incidence of coronary heart disease

"The 25% of participants eating the most vitamin K2 (and with the lowest heart attack risk) also had the highest saturated fat, cholesterol, protein and calcium intake."