New Order live, Hacienda 1983, 'Temptation'

[LandsEbb]

They've still got the Joy Division bass even when they're doing New Order dance stuff. Or they did, at least, until Hooky split. Joy Division and New Order....so similar, so different all at once

[jth112]

Is hooky still not in the band

[Video586]

New Order, stage the size of a postage stamp, bathed in blue light, barney pissed , Hookys Bass, set list a lottery winner couldn't get.........................An­d Rob Still Alive. HEADY DAYS

[walonsubi]

New Order > Joy Division. Temptation is the best song ever written.

[jth112]

All my favorite performances of this song are the ones from the hacienda

[JanetMabel]

Oh youve got GREYYYY eyeeez

[youwinoneinternets]

They chose Barney on vocals purely because he sounded the least like Ian and I think that was the best call the could have made. For JD fans who don't like NO, fair enough, but you're missing out bigtime. You probably also never even listened to Movement, if you like JD you would do well to approach NO chronologically to get into them. As far as I'm concerned Movement was Joy Divisions last album, just without Ian lol.

[frankie052189]

This by far new order's best live version of " Temptation " this song will forever be one the greatest underground dance song. Wish i had all three color eyes !!!!!!!

[fullflava]

Could you be anymore anal retentive?

[fullflava]

Could you be anymore anal retentive?

[subfusion01]

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[jwaterburysnout]

I wonder if they knew when they were playing this that it would be one of the greatest songs ever written in the century?

[Fac353]

awesome

[number7gracestreet]

Love the music of both JD & NO --especially this sublime song. But tell me please, who is Rob Gretton?

THX.

[adz1962]

Rob Gretton = Joy Divison & New Order's Manager.  Sadly, he died in May 1999 at the age of 46 as the result of a heart attack.

[number7gracestreet]

@adz1962 Ah, Ok. Thx. Great version of this Song.

[number7gracestreet]

@adz1962 Ah, Ok. Thx.

Great version of this Song.

Hookey is just all about that Bass!

[YouXCube]

@adz1962

and there is a cool movie about it: "24 hours party people"

[saintandrews83]

Oh ya Robbie ! .....RIP

[tdurbin001]

The real deal.

[ralfz24]

I love NO, I'm 20 yrs so that just show how much of this sound still resonates

[ajpajpajpajp]

I've got the wrong questions...

[Mukkumukku]

to me that song is so beautiful, nice and sad, trippy, it's genius!

[adamcoop1]

Is that rob gretton at the start?

[boardy777777]

course it is

[adamcoop1]

cheers boardy

[sas147741]

@adamcoop1

[cuculainn7]

@adamcoop1 yep that's Rob RIP God Bless him...

[ftwelve12]

Hooky said Curtis was a big fan of Kraftwerk and the dance stuff Bernie was getting into, and that had Curtis not offed himself he would have probably been the one singing "Blue Monday". So yeah, it's pretty clear that they're the same band going in the same direction with a slight shift in the overall dynamics, of course. That said, NO would've been better with Curtis at the front - he was a hell of a frontman.

[superbawestside1]

Mijamajo:

I couldn't agree more with you.... The progress from JD to NO was seamless and they were moving towards electronic music without a doubt. Iam was a big fan of Genisis P Orridge & throbbing Gristle, and look at Section 25, Dirutti Column, A Certain ration on Factory Records..All of these bands went more modern into 1980 and beyond!

[mijamajo1979]

NO was the natural develop of JD, you must read the whole history people, speaken by these guys...NO has so many Highlights based in Hook`s Bass...Try to play last JD album and inmediately play NO " movement"...you will see...

[cuculainn7]

@mijamajo1979 Hooky is overated 

[fgaltier]

those kind of comments are useless. Joy division and New order are two faces of the same group. The synths were already presents in JD, as well as the "human beat box"... Don't be so (old) nostalgic!

[viteksk8alot]

This is what Joy Division turned into... what a shame

[Bunnypunker]

What the fuck are you talking about man?Grow up,if you don't have an idea of what is meant to be then zip it.

[viteksk8alot]

What i mean is that Joy Division was sick punk band in the 70's that made powerful music, and when Curtis past away and they became New Order the music just turned to crap, full of synth and keyboards and just had a overall terrible 80's dance vibe to it. Now your gonna reply to this comment by saying i don't know what i am talking about because New Order was successful and i all, i just personally think Joy Division was 100X better thats all. Now go ahead, ridicule me.

[crises1980]

synth=crap?? You've got a massive prejudice problem, lad.

[teer12mg]

and what about the song decades on the still album

[scifitim]

Yeah, well your comment is basically wrong - this was the direction JD were headed anyway; do you really think JD would have been that different to what NO became?? The first couple of NO albums are in the same vein of JD anyway....it was the mid 80's that things became more 'pop' and changed.....

[viteksk8alot]

I know what you mean, i just honestly do not believe Joy Division would have ended up the same way if Ian Curtis had lived. I think he had a strong influence on the band's dark sound, i know bands change, i just don't think it would have been the same in this case though. I just think it's a shame how a underground band with a indie sound for the time changes to a complete "pop" and dance sound, i just personally think they had something more unique when they were Joy Division.

[SimMaster]

you're forgetting that New Order created this sound

[ftwelve12]

I would say Giorgio Moroder "created" it. The bouncy bass lines that shift between octaves, the simple repetitive drum beats, all of that. New Order did a far, far better job with the sound and fleshed it out though.

[mmmrenkas]

you say it like after moroder there was just new order, there were many artists, which took off from the kraftwerks electronics and disco-ish stuff. And onestly the bouncy basslines that shift between octaves where developed by the synthesizer manufacturers, which came up with the arpegiator button.

[FeelerTV]

And let's also not forget that Arthur Baker had a huge hand in NO crafting this sound.

[canuck21]

New Order's sound is surely more upbeat than Joy Division but it is still underground and their sound is VERY indie. When I hear Temptation, Your Silent Face or The Village, there is no way a pop band would have sounded like that. New Order stayed indie in business and in music throughout their Factory years. Actually, IMO New Order's music is the prototype of what is indie and alternative. They have a very distinct sound that has always striked me as something that sounds rather uncommercial.

[canuck21]

I respect that you prefer Joy Division but the fact that you think New Order is completely "pop" shows that your view of music genre is rather narrow. I remember when I heard New Order for the very first time, I was so intrigue by their music which sounded like no other electronic bands I've heard before. As said earlier, they had something quite underground about them despite their upbeat music. Maybe it was Barney's cold and distance vocal, I'm not too sure but I felt they were unlike others.

[kaney1967]

I 100% agree with this, both bands where corner posts of their musical era. I much prefer Joy Division, but I fucking love New Order, its not debatable because its not of the same genre.

JD - IC = NO

everyones a winner.

[goonchistaw]

agreed

[subfusion01]

@canuck21 film, if they them kunts of the attention and the substance of the people, who it is fresh

[subfusion01]

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[subfusion01]

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[subfusion01]

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[subfusion01]

Grüße Fräulein, Sturm-Verbot-Führer, Task it' it stops in the cover of the order, around this ill time of the person who can be risoluto of the time to determine S

[charlie123abc360]

@canuck21 Well you can't deny that barney's voice is more "popy" but I love both.

[canuck21]

@charlie123abc360 Sure Barney's voice is more "poppy" because New Order's music itself is more "poppy", but being more "poppy" doesn't make it pop. That was my point because it seems that some don't have any concept of in between. It's either dark or it's mainstream pop which is very narrow-minded.

[tux40]

@canuck21 they can't TOUCH Joy Division..that was the real deal. Yes. it's great they are here...but not f'in' Joy Division by a long shot!!!!

[canuck21]

@tux40 To me, it's not by a long shot. I agree that Joy Division was better, but I LOVE New Order too and think they're close to Joy Division, mostly different. Some days I prefer Joy Division and some days I prefer to listen to New Order.

I like many movies and TV shows, but there are only a few songs that I like and even fewer bands I love. Joy Division and New Order are the only two bands in this world that I love.

[ord1711]

Listen to Hooky's bass!  Genius.

[alan3565]

Best song they ever did,plus ceremony,procession,everything­s gone green!

[skripglow]

I wonder who told him he could sing?

[markapp67]

nobody. the singer died, he stepped in reluctantly.

[jonafone]

if u watch there later live performances u will see he is actually a very good singer, especiallt new faith from totp 87

[75dbp]

You sad cunt!

[yyy2012yyy]

You're thooper!"

[redhall90]

deffo the finger is for the monitors, you can hear the feedback when he does and bernard used to spend half the gig berating the stage mix 'eddie' i believe was his name such was the frequency of his requests...doesn't stop it being a great version of a superb song...band look cool too!

[Brenwhyte]

Ah, Rob Gretton at the start. Great vid

[vandal777]

Old Bernard looks like he's away with the fairies there. Classic.

[cabronssen]

close to perfection!!!! AWESOME SONG!!!!!!

New Order...what else can be added!!!???

[Gilgamesh149]

Ian Curtis, for one.

[yogafireyogaflame23]

lol, why does bernard give the finger at 0:32?

[Ugli2006]

Probably for the sound technician to turn up the mike.

[billd66]

Or to turn up the monitors. I used to run sound for various small-time bands back in this era. Vocalists are always complaining "I can't hear myself, turn up the monitors," so you turn up the monitors and then they feed back...and you can hear feedback at several points in this vid.

[joliecide]

or probably at Hooky. a sign of things to come... lol

[joefosho2008]

haha, thats what i love about this band they give the finger when they need to, hooky is a dickhead sometimes but hilarious-- look at his interviews, i bet that finger is at hook

[poptompainwonderland]

i also thin for the sound technician to turn up the volume for guitar or mike..or pete.;.how ever, pete and barney are friends since they were kids and share the same houmor.

[MidnightNSavannah]

and at 2:44 he gave the finger again.

[casibon]

Sh.., I'm drunken and it's like that indeed: I love it, just want to kiss them all for such goooooddd music!

[casibon]

Love it too, just want to kiss them all for such goog music!

[ajkpingu]

Nice One!

RIP Rob Gretton x

[cobbyone]

new order playing tempation live at the hacienda = awesome

[greloschanger]

the best NO song ever! I love the synth sound base

[bobmorrice]

brillant

[dennett81]

LOVE IT