@HatiChantheWolfHog Yes, but Greg Weisman wanted all the magical characters to fit to a more Shakespearean type, so he gave all the tricksters personalities that were more in-line with the fair folk.
Wait a cotton-pickin'-minute! Nick had to fight on top of a volcano in order to get the land back and make it plentiful, when the only thing Grandmother had to do was do that hair into water trick!? WTF Granny!
why is there a random guy who studied in harvard living in the canadian wilderness together with a sorceress and why has he to fight a raven like monster? EXPLAIN SHOW, EXPLAIN!
I'm a big fan of this show, and I'm sure the Native American folklore/history that this episode represents is quite amazing...but the writing for this episode???....Peee Yewwww! El Stink-o! "(growl) I WILL FIGHT YOU TRICKSTER"...c'mon.
@Bidmartinlo I understand the thunderbird is truly spectacular, but you still shouldnt use God's name in vain, it may invite the thunderbird into your home where he/she may order pay-per-view movies and make long distance phone calls without paying for anything.
@YamisPrincess I thought that was so funny. I picture Puck or one of the others somewhere, doing a facepalm and muttering, "Please don't tell anyone we're related." Or you know, one of them turning to him and going "Really?" and he's like "What? It rhymes, okay!"
Is it me, or when Dr. Nick accepts his heritage, during the fight, he starts talking like the racist stereotypical belief that Native American's sound like, just found it a little funny, still awesome episode :)
I'm not particularly satisfied with this one. I would've liked to see a conclusion for Nick with more negotiation between upholding older beliefs and his own 'modern' identity. Something as simple as him still wanting to be called Nick would have hinted at a more nuanced reaction rather than the wholesale acceptance shown. The 180-reaction isn't quite believable and not as intriguing. :<
just as goliath's first instinct is to ride a sea monster it's also to start beating the shit out of a bird that's not even attacking you? man for someone portrayed to be so smart he sure is dumb. i'd say this is the 9th time he's been manipulated and duped. lol
@lion3p0 oh the "children of oberon" line? it works with this story but i wonder if this is offensive that they connect the native american ideas to anglo-saxon ideas. you being of a tribe, maybe you could tell me if you find it bothersome?
Nick is no scientist. He has evidence of Gargoyles right in front of him, and he's still going on about what he "believes" in. Who needs belief when you've got proof?
@LaithianShadowfire but! as the reaven how the raven deceived them, what you see is not always what it appears. the purpose of science is refine what you observe into proven, organized phenomena and beliefs. but i still get what you're saying :) the gargoyles seemed pretty real, hehe
Yeah, I've reallly been enjoying these, but this episode is gettin' a little on the heavy-handed side. "Maybe it's time to get some new beleifs...or some old ones." Yeah - how dare he have his own beleifs! He has to believe in what everyone else does! [/sarcasm] I mean, the episode clearly makes him out to be wrong (in the context of the show), but they could have at least let him use science to solve the problem or something so he didn't have to totally give up who he was.
Isn't that a quality people should have? Its not about him having to give up on what he believes and what he wants for himself. It's about him keeping an open-mind about the world around him. It's putting the needs of the many in front of the needs of the few. It's about remembering where you come from, and being proud of that heritage. Keep in mind Nazilane is still young, no one said this duty takes a lifetime. He can still do the things he wants to do too.
@Erectoralporicy I think it was really that one line that got to me because it was said with anger, and by Elisa, who only just met him, and who usually isn't like that, unless she's dealing with a criminal or something, instead of a guy who's just confused. When he said "You're asking me to turn my back on everything I believe in", she could have said something more like... like what you posted, acutally :).
I've got to say though, this boat ride stuff is starting to kill me, I miss Xanatos/the Manhattan clan/Demona. I take it you are revisiting childhood, and watching more-or-less every episode as well?
@Erectoralporicy Actually, although I'm a lifelong Disney fan and grew up on Gummi Bears, Ducktales, etc., I didn't get into Gargoyles when it first came out. I only saw a few episodes. It's only now that I decided to go back and watch the whole series. And despite my critiques of this episode, I'm glad I did :). What's funny with this one is that they do virtually the same plot with some minor tweaks like five eps down the road in this same "World Tour" arc :).
@Erectoralporicy I do kind of feel like I'm revisiting my childhood though, because in some ways it reminds me of Gummi Bears - clan of six mythical creatures, think they're the last of their kind, protect the humans who don't know of their existance, etc. Though of course, this is darker and more complex. So it's sort of like getting a whole "new" classic Disney series to watch :). My favorite episode so far is the first one with Griff. And I really like the Xanatos and Demona eps, too.
@Erectoralporicy Yeah, one more reply :). I agree that this World Tour arc goes on a bit long (I am through it now). It seems like they were trying to cram in a lot of pitches for other shows.
@animagusurreal Who says that he gave up who he was? In the end he will always be a scientist. But now he has a more profound respect for who his ancestors were and where he came from.
man, im glad im getting to watch the rest of season 2 of Gargoyles. i mean i knew of angela. and how she (SPOILER!) chose broadway over brooklyn and lexington.
its nice to see they started to show myths and legends from other parts of the world. its a wonderful thing to learn about.
@nightmarehammer ya what an awful group of people, who rely on science and education. Because, you know in real life there are ghosts and goblins and gods . Nightmare you sound like a typical woo woo believing fool who thinks technology and reality are firmly separated from empirical reasoning. yet with out them you wouldn't even have the computer your typing at.....
@nightmarehammer You're right about that, he is the typical Atheist douchebag. What makes it funnier is that he's not even scientific. Grandmother healed Elisa's fever with willow bark and roots, which are the basis of aspirin medication, and he still didn't want to admit it. He saw gargoyles with his own eyes and still went on about turning back on his 'beliefs'. For a scientist, he acted more like a religious zealot. Damn fool. Oh well, at least he saved the day! Lol.
@SaintPandemonium Either way, he did come around towards the end of the show. Gargoyles is one of the best action cartoons ever created. The sheer fact that cartoons of today have been dumbed down by PC (thought police) is a fucking crime.
atheists & religious zealots have more in common then you'd think and that's why they have such a big conflict with eachother & anyone else who doesn't fall into their two categories
and by anyone else i especially mean people who are neither religious nor atheist but something inbetween, i think it's called "spiritual" but not sure, speaking as one talk about being beset from both sides
How exactly do these guys define "medding directly in human affairs" if the Wyrd Sisters can curse Demona and MacBeth with immortality and these two can use the local kids to settle their sibling rivalry?
@ztslovebird Well, in the former, it technically was not ENTIRELY human affairs, as Demona isnt human. As for the latter, I have no clue. However, it seems to me that on this show, the magical people tend to do a lot of rule bending. Loopholes are very helpful when it comes to a "law that cannot be broken", as mentioned in the Avalon episodes.
Relax, theilokana and Axioanarchist. Both of you have good points. There might be some offensiveness, but that's a stretch and the show is still fantasy. And there is a reason for some things being offensive nowadays - there's a lot that happened in history that really does affect today.
Maybe, like Natzalani, we should get a little education on all points of view. ;)
boy i know ive talked a lot so sorry everyone ill make this quick i just wanted to say that if they were going to add any more folklore from the indians/native americans(or would it be proper to say canadians) they should do a skinwalker
sheesh*shivers run down my spine at the tought of that one*
if you don't know what that is look up the best reference i could make for one Dresden Files the novel
know what how come #1 goliath hasn't learned yet not to assume until getting the full story who is good and who is bad & #2 They didn't notice the RAVENS head on the garg/raven and what "gandmother" turned into totem/raven
If I was a Native, I would be quite offended at this episode. Being that the characters of Native folklore are being associated to "Children of Oberon," which is of European mythology. How Eurocentric of Disney and Weisman.
Not only do they steal the land from Natives, but they also steal the folklore.
Or you could get over it, realize that "Children of Oberon" is a catchall term for nearly all of the freaky magical creatures in Gargoyles mythology, and grow a spine and learn not to get offended over stupid little things like that.
Too much whining about "wah wah wah this offends me wah wah wah" these days.
@theilokana Nope. They have no shame. As much as I love Gargoyles, the whole "Children of Oberon" thing really pissed me off, because a lot of those mythological/folkloric beings, such as Anansi and Anubis, are thousands of years older than Avalon myths. SO Eurocentric. Ugh.
Anyone remember how many episodes there are in this World Tour arc? All I remember is that there were A LOT....especially since they seemed to hit everywhere else in the world but New York.
indeed, though Plato still leaves conflict between matter and mind. I prefer Aristotle's explanation that mind is imminent to matter. If mind is within matter, it does away with the whole mind-body dichotomy.
Nature isnt proof of god, the "holy books" are subjective documents written by people. Any philosopher will tell you there is no proof of god's existence, there is only an absence. Those who state he exists have the burden of proof, and without proof, cannot say factually god exists. I dont mean to criticize, but go to the source before you say things. I compliment you though, you have taken part in speculative philosophy, and I have questioned your assumption.
I understand why this episode is grating to an atheist or skeptic, however I take issue with your statement that belief and faith are irrational. Why are there laws of logic? Why does the physical world feel compelled to obey immaterial laws? If the universe and our minds are merely the result of chance, why would we expect that our minds could make sense of the universe?
heres a reply for you. There are laws of logic because they have been repeatedly proven to be true and irrefutable. We obey immaterial laws for the same reason. We can understand the universe because it is a natural process, as are humans. We reside in the same world, and thus can eventually make sense of our world
Okay, the last part of your answer makes sense, but the first part doesn't. That's like asking "Why does water exist?" "Because it's wet." Well, yes, it's wet, but that wasn't the question. Thanks for trying, though.
sorry, i was in a bit of a rush. Here may be a better explanation. Logic. There is only one true type of logic, and that can be severely boiled down to looking at the world objectively, and constantly questioning assumptions until you have found what is rational and true. When no contradictions exist, you are at something rational. Laws of logic simply tell you either, "this is logical," or "this is not logical, and therefore, wrong or unexplained yet." if unexplained, delve deep
delve deeper to find the truth. If wrong, that simply means a contradiction exists somewhere. The physical world laws because the laws are the abstract concept of the physical happening. The law of gravity is an abstract concept to easily explain gravitational forces between masses. Is this a bit more clear? The physical world has to obey its transcendent "Form." The Form is like a pattern to which all things adhere to. You can have a physical chair. That is its material body, but all
material things must eventually dissolve to nothing. The pattern of the chair, the concept, the Form, exists eternally as an abstract thought. As long as it is not forgotten, infinite chairs can be made from the Form. Make sense? If you like more clarification, please be more specific, so I can show you in that specific example wht works and what doesnt.
and as for why water exists, the "why" may never be answered perfectly, but it exists due to natural reactions between hydrogen and oxygen atoms. So why does it exist? nature dictates that the atoms will bond with each other. Wht would they bond with each other? because of the electron orbits. Why do electron orbits exist? you see, it can be broken down into infinitesimal little questions, as can most questions. Btw, this post is a bit of a joke, just to lighten the mood a bit. =)
Your exactly right you can't explain the final core of anything so you have to throw in that there was magic that caused everything, hell I think it is magic that everything in physics breaks down so wonderfully of in chemisty, mathematics. its beautiful that how everything relates or exists. That's why the world is magically.
umm... I've tried to decipher this, but your grammar use is so botched that I can't understand a cohesive message. Care to try again with proper grammar? Be sure to check your verb usage
Didnt like this episode. One should never reject philosophy in favor of faith and beliefs. Beliefs are subjective, and therefore prone to falsification. Philosophy is objective and subjective in one, it checks and balances itself. However, since the beliefs in this episodewere actually real, I'm a bit conflicted. I still believe the message is wrong.
Faith and beliefs, feelings without logic,these give rise to all evil. You are referring to a subjective view of an objective world. This leads down a path of blindness. Faith and feelings are important, they just need to be tempered with logic and reasoning
The modern scientific model was created to replace the need for a creative agent.
Whether it is true or not is of no consequence. The point is, science cannot deny the existence of God authoratatively. To do so, you would have to make the claim of being omniscient- how else could you possibly know that no creative agent exists?
Having faith is not a weakness. It is not a crutch. It's an alternate explanation of the universe.
...And honestly man, it's a cartoon. About gargoyles. Stop.
Just because it is a cartoon about gargoyles doesnt mean it brings up valid points. And, on the subject of god... those of us who dont believe some divine being exists are logically in the right, because we are not asserting something exists. Those who believe something exists have the burden of proof. Don't try and reverse that burden. You cannot prove nothing, so god doesnt exist. Conversely, there is no factual evidence to support god's existence. Hence, belief in god is non-rational.
You know something, I liked Raven better as a ... raven.
SamhainTheDark 3 weeks ago
Grandmother... stop turning your hair into everything good in nature and tell them you are a SHAMAN not a Sorceress.
DragonLordG 3 weeks ago
@DragonLordG Strictly speaking, she's neither a shaman NOR a sorceress; she's a fairy.
2wingo 1 week ago
Raven is pretty bad at rhyming...
donbionicle 3 weeks ago
NOTSALAMI!!!
BrothuhV84 1 month ago
SPARKLING!!!!! XD
MetteLentz 1 month ago
But wasn't the raven kind of like a shallow prank pulling party goer who inadvertently benefitted humanity over the course of his hijinks?
HatiChantheWolfHog 1 month ago
@HatiChantheWolfHog Yes, but Greg Weisman wanted all the magical characters to fit to a more Shakespearean type, so he gave all the tricksters personalities that were more in-line with the fair folk.
2wingo 1 month ago
I love how whenever Oberon's Children make themselves known Puck's theme music play's in the background
joygasm916 2 months ago
@joygasm916 So cool.
Cassadinegirlaz 3 weeks ago
Wait a cotton-pickin'-minute! Nick had to fight on top of a volcano in order to get the land back and make it plentiful, when the only thing Grandmother had to do was do that hair into water trick!? WTF Granny!
Deathgoddess101 2 months ago in playlist Gargoyles (Season 2)
So Goliath and Angelia are getting their asses kicked by....wood?
Deathgoddess101 2 months ago in playlist Gargoyles (Season 2)
I love Bronx in this episode! He's so loyal
dominicT305 3 months ago
@2wingo You're right. If I recall, Raven was more of a benevolent trickster.
CitizenKahne1015 3 months ago 2
I've read up on quite a few Native American myths, and I don't ever recall Raven being that malicious.
2wingo 4 months ago
@2wingo you know how it is. They hardly ever do it by the books :/
Mangler559 1 month ago
"Raven, prepare to do battle!"
Goliath is so goofy, but hes still awesome
IceCold11235 4 months ago
So they crossed the Atlantic Ocean. In a rowboat. T.T
genesis09001 5 months ago
@genesis09001 A MAGIC rowboat.
2wingo 1 month ago
disregard science, acquire magic
BrendonSmall456 5 months ago 3
@BrendonSmall456 Magic is just science we can't yet comprehend. Arthur C. Clark.
2wingo 3 months ago
5:18
Roasted
Forte123111 5 months ago
"Wait! You're telling me I'm suppose to fight a creature of legend...with a stick?"
MissColorfulSoul 6 months ago 16
@MissColorfulSoul Sticks and stones may break my bones but they can do the same to a creature of legend too.
metazoxan2 3 months ago
Wow...Raven's kind of a dick....
gohanRULEZ 6 months ago
Poor Nick, not being able to see what is just beyond his nose. Truly there are none so blind as those who will not see.
quantumphysics314 7 months ago
@quantumphysics314 Very true. ^_^
SaintPandemonium 7 months ago
@quantumphysics314 very wise of u :)
Ivyknightfire 5 months ago
wasnt their boat destroyed?
shadowfire88123 7 months ago
From a descendant of the Anishinabe/Ojibwe, thank you, Gargoyles, for publicising our legend.
It's appreciated. ;D
tenshinokuragari 7 months ago
I love the amount of culture in these.. You can literally hear it; Scotland, music resembling bagpipes, Canada, music resembling Inuit music... ect.
GallifreyanGhostGirl 7 months ago
does anyone else find raven kinda hot?
ElizabethLioubomir 7 months ago
End of this episode made me think of the Fantasia cartoon around Firebird. :D
ZephImmortal 7 months ago
0-o is it just me or did I see that boat at the end get recked big time at the beginning
SuperAddi3 7 months ago
This episode was rushed. Big time.
BTIsaac 7 months ago
at what point in cartoon history did they start making female characters as sexy as eliza?
titantron1216 7 months ago
why is there a random guy who studied in harvard living in the canadian wilderness together with a sorceress and why has he to fight a raven like monster? EXPLAIN SHOW, EXPLAIN!
dustdust7 7 months ago
I'm a big fan of this show, and I'm sure the Native American folklore/history that this episode represents is quite amazing...but the writing for this episode???....Peee Yewwww! El Stink-o! "(growl) I WILL FIGHT YOU TRICKSTER"...c'mon.
u7miz 8 months ago in playlist Gargoyles (Season 2)
Tongue tentacle rape!
tyrongkojy 8 months ago
God damn thunder bird! xD
Bidmartinlo 8 months ago
@Bidmartinlo Please dont use God's name in vain.
NegaZxyz 8 months ago
@NegaZxyz ... but the Thunder bird! <:O
Bidmartinlo 8 months ago
@Bidmartinlo I understand the thunderbird is truly spectacular, but you still shouldnt use God's name in vain, it may invite the thunderbird into your home where he/she may order pay-per-view movies and make long distance phone calls without paying for anything.
NegaZxyz 8 months ago
@NegaZxyz Oh, I wouldn't want that. Thanks for the warning. :)
Bidmartinlo 8 months ago
@Bidmartinlo no problem
NegaZxyz 8 months ago
@NegaZxyz
very good advice
i had a goblin eating on my couch for a month, and there was also a unicorn who was fond of the taste of my Roses.
oh yes and the fairies
well back to the point
extremely good advice ;)
pay per view was never the same.
lunamooncat3ink 8 months ago
@lunamooncat3ink I thank you.
NegaZxyz 8 months ago
Jeez, Nick really didn't need all that much convincing before dressing up in that old garb and fighting with his life.
Starbat88 9 months ago
Hey, wasn't the boat destroyed by the sea monster--er, I mean, Grandmother in sea monster form? O_o
KitaraStrife 9 months ago
I wonder how Nick would do in a fight against puck.
benny63005 10 months ago
"There are more things between heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio... I mean Nick"
notpointed 10 months ago
Does Raven ACTUALLY think he can out-"Boyeeee" Captain Hook?
canaanaija 10 months ago
Nick's, um, 'chief' costume annoys me. Why the hell is a Haida chief wearing a Plains war bonnet and outfit?
Vogtalicious 10 months ago 16
@Vogtalicious So that he can say, "I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you."
MissFalinity 3 months ago 2
I don't really see the justice in telling a science nerd to fight a deity...
Nekorin 11 months ago
"Totum beast trapped in wood, the time is come to...do some good..."
I like how he sounds like he hates rhyming lol like
"God I hate rhyming to do my spells -.-*
YamisPrincess 11 months ago 3
@YamisPrincess I thought that was so funny. I picture Puck or one of the others somewhere, doing a facepalm and muttering, "Please don't tell anyone we're related." Or you know, one of them turning to him and going "Really?" and he's like "What? It rhymes, okay!"
Cassadinegirlaz 3 weeks ago
natives: just like magical elves, only brown
Meskarune 11 months ago
Is it me, or when Dr. Nick accepts his heritage, during the fight, he starts talking like the racist stereotypical belief that Native American's sound like, just found it a little funny, still awesome episode :)
TheGigime 11 months ago
hold on a second i thought that the boat was destroyed by the see monster
SaraGiesbrecht 11 months ago
I'm not particularly satisfied with this one. I would've liked to see a conclusion for Nick with more negotiation between upholding older beliefs and his own 'modern' identity. Something as simple as him still wanting to be called Nick would have hinted at a more nuanced reaction rather than the wholesale acceptance shown. The 180-reaction isn't quite believable and not as intriguing. :<
TomatoDoom 1 year ago 2
At 0:16, If that tongue went any higher......
Big12189 1 year ago
just as goliath's first instinct is to ride a sea monster it's also to start beating the shit out of a bird that's not even attacking you? man for someone portrayed to be so smart he sure is dumb. i'd say this is the 9th time he's been manipulated and duped. lol
variously2 1 year ago
@variously2 Angela said the bird was heading toward the village, he thought it was going to attack it. Gargoyles protect people, its what they do.
LordManda2 1 year ago
Could Goliath for once make a friend without ulterior motives?
pyro43261 1 year ago 2
@pyro43261 he did... elisa
SaraGiesbrecht 11 months ago
2:40 Stereotypical trickster music
hokiepiratejedi 1 year ago
i do love how she quotes shakespear
lion3p0 1 year ago
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variously2 1 year ago
@lion3p0 oh the "children of oberon" line? it works with this story but i wonder if this is offensive that they connect the native american ideas to anglo-saxon ideas. you being of a tribe, maybe you could tell me if you find it bothersome?
variously2 1 year ago
Nick is no scientist. He has evidence of Gargoyles right in front of him, and he's still going on about what he "believes" in. Who needs belief when you've got proof?
LaithianShadowfire 1 year ago
@LaithianShadowfire but! as the reaven how the raven deceived them, what you see is not always what it appears. the purpose of science is refine what you observe into proven, organized phenomena and beliefs. but i still get what you're saying :) the gargoyles seemed pretty real, hehe
variously2 1 year ago
'You know my address!' Yes, I love it. lol
Stormland 1 year ago
I love Grandmother she reminds me of mine...
Wise loving and all knowing
NativeAmericanQueen1 1 year ago
@NativeAmericanQueen1
and occasionally turning into a thunderbird. just like mine.
dustdust7 7 months ago
Yeah, I've reallly been enjoying these, but this episode is gettin' a little on the heavy-handed side. "Maybe it's time to get some new beleifs...or some old ones." Yeah - how dare he have his own beleifs! He has to believe in what everyone else does! [/sarcasm] I mean, the episode clearly makes him out to be wrong (in the context of the show), but they could have at least let him use science to solve the problem or something so he didn't have to totally give up who he was.
animagusurreal 1 year ago
@animagusurreal
Isn't that a quality people should have? Its not about him having to give up on what he believes and what he wants for himself. It's about him keeping an open-mind about the world around him. It's putting the needs of the many in front of the needs of the few. It's about remembering where you come from, and being proud of that heritage. Keep in mind Nazilane is still young, no one said this duty takes a lifetime. He can still do the things he wants to do too.
Erectoralporicy 1 year ago
@Erectoralporicy I think it was really that one line that got to me because it was said with anger, and by Elisa, who only just met him, and who usually isn't like that, unless she's dealing with a criminal or something, instead of a guy who's just confused. When he said "You're asking me to turn my back on everything I believe in", she could have said something more like... like what you posted, acutally :).
animagusurreal 1 year ago
@animagusurreal
lol, touche. I can agree with that, sure.
I've got to say though, this boat ride stuff is starting to kill me, I miss Xanatos/the Manhattan clan/Demona. I take it you are revisiting childhood, and watching more-or-less every episode as well?
Erectoralporicy 1 year ago
@Erectoralporicy Actually, although I'm a lifelong Disney fan and grew up on Gummi Bears, Ducktales, etc., I didn't get into Gargoyles when it first came out. I only saw a few episodes. It's only now that I decided to go back and watch the whole series. And despite my critiques of this episode, I'm glad I did :). What's funny with this one is that they do virtually the same plot with some minor tweaks like five eps down the road in this same "World Tour" arc :).
animagusurreal 1 year ago
@Erectoralporicy I do kind of feel like I'm revisiting my childhood though, because in some ways it reminds me of Gummi Bears - clan of six mythical creatures, think they're the last of their kind, protect the humans who don't know of their existance, etc. Though of course, this is darker and more complex. So it's sort of like getting a whole "new" classic Disney series to watch :). My favorite episode so far is the first one with Griff. And I really like the Xanatos and Demona eps, too.
animagusurreal 1 year ago
@Erectoralporicy Yeah, one more reply :). I agree that this World Tour arc goes on a bit long (I am through it now). It seems like they were trying to cram in a lot of pitches for other shows.
animagusurreal 1 year ago
@animagusurreal Who says that he gave up who he was? In the end he will always be a scientist. But now he has a more profound respect for who his ancestors were and where he came from.
00ghostcobra 1 year ago
don't know why anyone would want to conquer an island with such a bad case of Mountain Pine Beetle infestation
CX888HKVan 1 year ago
meethinks Goliath still harbors bad memories for "trickster children of oberon" lol
DAOW17 1 year ago
goliaths not the most patient of creatures is he lol
liamevans1987 1 year ago
man, im glad im getting to watch the rest of season 2 of Gargoyles. i mean i knew of angela. and how she (SPOILER!) chose broadway over brooklyn and lexington.
its nice to see they started to show myths and legends from other parts of the world. its a wonderful thing to learn about.
MGTRANSFORMER 1 year ago 2
lol at when Angela gets rid of the fake gargoyles, she really is Demona's daughter after all!
brokenCompass1389 1 year ago
ewwww granny's leaking! old age does that i guess =(
Stinger66666 1 year ago
"What is this? Merit-badge test night?"
fbdarkangel 1 year ago
At 0:43 he says to kill the monster. you're a monster too. Just kidding. Your some kind of mutated fish frog.
Link5759 1 year ago
it be cool if the real Canadian gargoyles turn to wood instead of stone that be awesome
THEPAINE552 1 year ago
That was (hopefully) the worst gargoyle episode of all
ASKaPHYSICIST 1 year ago
Nick sounds like the typical atheist douche bag.
nightmarehammer 1 year ago
@nightmarehammer ya what an awful group of people, who rely on science and education. Because, you know in real life there are ghosts and goblins and gods . Nightmare you sound like a typical woo woo believing fool who thinks technology and reality are firmly separated from empirical reasoning. yet with out them you wouldn't even have the computer your typing at.....
Staff7 1 year ago 2
@nightmarehammer You're right about that, he is the typical Atheist douchebag. What makes it funnier is that he's not even scientific. Grandmother healed Elisa's fever with willow bark and roots, which are the basis of aspirin medication, and he still didn't want to admit it. He saw gargoyles with his own eyes and still went on about turning back on his 'beliefs'. For a scientist, he acted more like a religious zealot. Damn fool. Oh well, at least he saved the day! Lol.
SaintPandemonium 7 months ago
@SaintPandemonium Either way, he did come around towards the end of the show. Gargoyles is one of the best action cartoons ever created. The sheer fact that cartoons of today have been dumbed down by PC (thought police) is a fucking crime.
nightmarehammer 7 months ago
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@SaintPandemonium
"he acted more like a religious zealot."
atheists & religious zealots have more in common then you'd think and that's why they have such a big conflict with eachother & anyone else who doesn't fall into their two categories
iSparkettei 6 months ago
@iSparkettei
and by anyone else i especially mean people who are neither religious nor atheist but something inbetween, i think it's called "spiritual" but not sure, speaking as one talk about being beset from both sides
iSparkettei 6 months ago
Aww Nick Is so awesome!! He's brave, smart, magical, and cute!!!
midnighthanyou 1 year ago
How exactly do these guys define "medding directly in human affairs" if the Wyrd Sisters can curse Demona and MacBeth with immortality and these two can use the local kids to settle their sibling rivalry?
ztslovebird 1 year ago
@ztslovebird Well, in the former, it technically was not ENTIRELY human affairs, as Demona isnt human. As for the latter, I have no clue. However, it seems to me that on this show, the magical people tend to do a lot of rule bending. Loopholes are very helpful when it comes to a "law that cannot be broken", as mentioned in the Avalon episodes.
AutobotChick25 1 year ago
@ztslovebird
They tricked them to willingly allow themselves to be embued by their magic.
ridermac 1 year ago
Do you believe in magic. In an old woman's hair...
monckie4 1 year ago
If I felt a tongue snaking up my leg while riding a raven monster thing, I would cut it off!
MalloryBlakk 1 year ago 9
Shakespeare quote ftw!
Shild 1 year ago 17
explain yourself bitch
Thearcangel979 1 year ago 2
at 3;30 nice quote
there from shakespere
right?
MrAmonkey7 1 year ago
Indian SPOCK?????
TheLionKingRoxx 1 year ago
bird man got his ass kicked Lol :P
Vieloet666 1 year ago
@nanagirl123456789 You'd be surprised how fast vegetation grows back.
GodofFreedom 1 year ago
@GodofFreedom not that fast
bbphnix 1 year ago
why do i get the feeling there's gonna be a team up between puck and raven?
IloveOtherPplsMsry 1 year ago
why do you got to hate me just because I believe inscience! eskeleto- nacho libre
armarjaleo 1 year ago
imagine watching this on acid. just saying
jbshaver29 1 year ago
So um couldnt the old bag use her watery eyes in the first place?
DigiMaleficus 1 year ago
the past five episodes are FUCKED UP!
wikiwuki 1 year ago
Hey, the old lady IS one of the fair folk!
TalesofGirl4ever 1 year ago
ugh... this is some bad stuff... :-(
DavidUmstattd 1 year ago
Her hair is water? That's unhealthy.
DoctorEuke 1 year ago 2
this raven guy kinda looks like Spock
iron1528 2 years ago 3
Last cooment was supposed to say live not lice sorry hit wrong button
Geoxe333 2 years ago
2:04 what they we lice we do not thrive what the heck Goliath you have an island full of gargoyles it's called Avalon
Geoxe333 2 years ago
Um...they took liberties with the European stuff too.
And what about the adaptations of Greek myths? Shouldn't they be offended to then?
CaptVelocity 2 years ago
Relax, theilokana and Axioanarchist. Both of you have good points. There might be some offensiveness, but that's a stretch and the show is still fantasy. And there is a reason for some things being offensive nowadays - there's a lot that happened in history that really does affect today.
Maybe, like Natzalani, we should get a little education on all points of view. ;)
Sefriu 2 years ago
hey a shakespeare quote! my this cartoon is sophisticated. shame they don't make 'em like this anymore
LordSvzklx 2 years ago
@LordSvzklx xmen evoluction did
and that was just 5 years ago
MrAmonkey7 1 year ago
@MrAmonkey7 in one episode, if I remember rightly, the one where Angel first pops up. Gargoyles is dropping the Bard in all over the place
LordSvzklx 1 year ago
i think the skinwalker story would have been too scary for kids
sakurad1215 2 years ago
*sigh* i feel as though these last 2 eps hav been filler... ---'_'---
WolfPaw19 2 years ago
Doesn't make em' bad.
DigimontamerB 2 years ago
yeah same here kinda boring and uninteresting
tamemister 2 years ago
boy i know ive talked a lot so sorry everyone ill make this quick i just wanted to say that if they were going to add any more folklore from the indians/native americans(or would it be proper to say canadians) they should do a skinwalker
sheesh*shivers run down my spine at the tought of that one*
if you don't know what that is look up the best reference i could make for one Dresden Files the novel
hancederson 2 years ago
omg anyone else see :15 to :18 and think what i thought lol ohh god i watch waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too hentia...
*feels shame* :'(
-.-
T.T
hancederson 2 years ago
know what how come #1 goliath hasn't learned yet not to assume until getting the full story who is good and who is bad & #2 They didn't notice the RAVENS head on the garg/raven and what "gandmother" turned into totem/raven
hancederson 2 years ago
If I was a Native, I would be quite offended at this episode. Being that the characters of Native folklore are being associated to "Children of Oberon," which is of European mythology. How Eurocentric of Disney and Weisman.
Not only do they steal the land from Natives, but they also steal the folklore.
HAVE THEY NO SHAME?
theilokana 2 years ago
Or you could get over it, realize that "Children of Oberon" is a catchall term for nearly all of the freaky magical creatures in Gargoyles mythology, and grow a spine and learn not to get offended over stupid little things like that.
Too much whining about "wah wah wah this offends me wah wah wah" these days.
Axioanarchist 2 years ago
@theilokana Nope. They have no shame. As much as I love Gargoyles, the whole "Children of Oberon" thing really pissed me off, because a lot of those mythological/folkloric beings, such as Anansi and Anubis, are thousands of years older than Avalon myths. SO Eurocentric. Ugh.
SaintPandemonium 7 months ago
That bird creature with the head for a stomach, reminds me of some Japanese Animation.
theilokana 2 years ago
I believe there are 54 episodes in this arc.
dottiegirl32 2 years ago
Anyone remember how many episodes there are in this World Tour arc? All I remember is that there were A LOT....especially since they seemed to hit everywhere else in the world but New York.
Syryu 2 years ago
indeed, though Plato still leaves conflict between matter and mind. I prefer Aristotle's explanation that mind is imminent to matter. If mind is within matter, it does away with the whole mind-body dichotomy.
dionkar336 2 years ago
And I thought Puck annoying.
Zenardo 2 years ago
"you're telling me i'm suppose to fight a creature of legend, with a stick? get real." lol. i love that line
RosesThorns 2 years ago 52
'I'm just Nick. I'm a scientist.'
-hi Dr. Nick!
'Where's Grandmother?'
-She, uhh, taking a leak!
addressedtokill 2 years ago 43
7:21 Bye bye Grandma! Have fun in fairy-heaven.
Wolvenfire86 2 years ago
4:20 i wanted to bust out laughing
itsaguinness 2 years ago
haha me 2
ThePosionapple 2 years ago
Nature isnt proof of god, the "holy books" are subjective documents written by people. Any philosopher will tell you there is no proof of god's existence, there is only an absence. Those who state he exists have the burden of proof, and without proof, cannot say factually god exists. I dont mean to criticize, but go to the source before you say things. I compliment you though, you have taken part in speculative philosophy, and I have questioned your assumption.
dionkar336 2 years ago
I understand why this episode is grating to an atheist or skeptic, however I take issue with your statement that belief and faith are irrational. Why are there laws of logic? Why does the physical world feel compelled to obey immaterial laws? If the universe and our minds are merely the result of chance, why would we expect that our minds could make sense of the universe?
punkinheadcharlie 2 years ago
heres a reply for you. There are laws of logic because they have been repeatedly proven to be true and irrefutable. We obey immaterial laws for the same reason. We can understand the universe because it is a natural process, as are humans. We reside in the same world, and thus can eventually make sense of our world
dionkar336 2 years ago
Okay, the last part of your answer makes sense, but the first part doesn't. That's like asking "Why does water exist?" "Because it's wet." Well, yes, it's wet, but that wasn't the question. Thanks for trying, though.
punkinheadcharlie 2 years ago
sorry, i was in a bit of a rush. Here may be a better explanation. Logic. There is only one true type of logic, and that can be severely boiled down to looking at the world objectively, and constantly questioning assumptions until you have found what is rational and true. When no contradictions exist, you are at something rational. Laws of logic simply tell you either, "this is logical," or "this is not logical, and therefore, wrong or unexplained yet." if unexplained, delve deep
dionkar336 2 years ago
delve deeper to find the truth. If wrong, that simply means a contradiction exists somewhere. The physical world laws because the laws are the abstract concept of the physical happening. The law of gravity is an abstract concept to easily explain gravitational forces between masses. Is this a bit more clear? The physical world has to obey its transcendent "Form." The Form is like a pattern to which all things adhere to. You can have a physical chair. That is its material body, but all
dionkar336 2 years ago
material things must eventually dissolve to nothing. The pattern of the chair, the concept, the Form, exists eternally as an abstract thought. As long as it is not forgotten, infinite chairs can be made from the Form. Make sense? If you like more clarification, please be more specific, so I can show you in that specific example wht works and what doesnt.
dionkar336 2 years ago
and as for why water exists, the "why" may never be answered perfectly, but it exists due to natural reactions between hydrogen and oxygen atoms. So why does it exist? nature dictates that the atoms will bond with each other. Wht would they bond with each other? because of the electron orbits. Why do electron orbits exist? you see, it can be broken down into infinitesimal little questions, as can most questions. Btw, this post is a bit of a joke, just to lighten the mood a bit. =)
dionkar336 2 years ago
Your exactly right you can't explain the final core of anything so you have to throw in that there was magic that caused everything, hell I think it is magic that everything in physics breaks down so wonderfully of in chemisty, mathematics. its beautiful that how everything relates or exists. That's why the world is magically.
Anagramrice 2 years ago
umm... I've tried to decipher this, but your grammar use is so botched that I can't understand a cohesive message. Care to try again with proper grammar? Be sure to check your verb usage
dionkar336 2 years ago
Didnt like this episode. One should never reject philosophy in favor of faith and beliefs. Beliefs are subjective, and therefore prone to falsification. Philosophy is objective and subjective in one, it checks and balances itself. However, since the beliefs in this episodewere actually real, I'm a bit conflicted. I still believe the message is wrong.
dionkar336 2 years ago
coolest grandmother ever
Cl00lessGrl 2 years ago 3
Nope. I hear a camel.
Itsafuckingusername 2 years ago
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sailorcybertron 2 years ago
Faith and beliefs, feelings without logic,these give rise to all evil. You are referring to a subjective view of an objective world. This leads down a path of blindness. Faith and feelings are important, they just need to be tempered with logic and reasoning
dionkar336 2 years ago
huh? I was only just saying.
sailorcybertron 2 years ago
LMAO That's the FIRST thing I heard xD I looked around for the person playing Doom.
LonerGalore 2 years ago
diden't the boat got crashed by the sea monster
royi20s 2 years ago
its magically
Anagramrice 2 years ago
XD ha ha
royi20s 2 years ago
The universe coming from absolutely nothing is not in need of an explanation.
In fact, it has been suggested that at the moment of instantiation, there could have been no causality whatsoever prior to the Planck moment.
As space-time is contingent on matter, at this time the universe itself would be sub-quantum.
All matter would have in this instant followed the acausallity we observe in the quantum world today.
The modern scientific model has no place for a creative agent.
PinkandDeadly 2 years ago 2
The modern scientific model was created to replace the need for a creative agent.
Whether it is true or not is of no consequence. The point is, science cannot deny the existence of God authoratatively. To do so, you would have to make the claim of being omniscient- how else could you possibly know that no creative agent exists?
Having faith is not a weakness. It is not a crutch. It's an alternate explanation of the universe.
...And honestly man, it's a cartoon. About gargoyles. Stop.
Demosthenes6666 2 years ago
Just because it is a cartoon about gargoyles doesnt mean it brings up valid points. And, on the subject of god... those of us who dont believe some divine being exists are logically in the right, because we are not asserting something exists. Those who believe something exists have the burden of proof. Don't try and reverse that burden. You cannot prove nothing, so god doesnt exist. Conversely, there is no factual evidence to support god's existence. Hence, belief in god is non-rational.
dionkar336 2 years ago