RON PAUL CONSERVATIVE? RUBBISH! HE'S A GENIUS! 1/2

[pdxeddie1111]

Yes Im for Ron Paul but I think the libs do have a point about liberal laws disappearing if states have the right to change them because they are not popular and it takes the federal government to enforce the laws for individual rights. Absolute freedom can only be maintained in moral society otherwise anarchy will rule the day. A moral based society or a scientific tyranny are almost identical in their results for steering population. We are damned if we do and damned if we dont.

[COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY]

what is your "liberty"? Your liberty is to shit on other human beings and leave them in the gutter, you call that freedom? You libs want freedom from coercion, then you use that same freedom to abuse, either directly or indirectly. You then take no reponsibility for your action or inaction: freedom?

[nikolayzou]

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[jfcemporium]

you are a douchbag

[Sheldonwh]

@astalker Oh yes, please come teach us about Separation of Church and state. Ron Paul recently wrote, "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers." So all you idiots can kiss your rights goodbye if Ron or his even crazier son Rand get into office. They're exactly the religious nut jobs I said they were years ago!

[droidsURlooking4]

@Sheldonwh It was decided that a Church of USA was a bad idea (ie: Church of England) as they wanted to preserve the right of the people to worship as they saw fit. If you haven't noticed the word God all over our framing documents, you are a daft idiot.

[Sheldonwh]

Still think that nut bag Ron Paul is "a genius"? Did you know that he recently said in a of 2003 essay: "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers."

Genius, or religious nut job? It should be clear by now...or is that hair style fucking with your brain?

[samm1809]

you read my mind. i'm an aussie and let me say i't unbelievably happy to finally see 1 english person that doesn't get all of their knowledge from either their socialist parents (all the english kids in my grade seem to have the same smug 'i know what i'm talking about' attitude) or some stoner musician (they ALL do music too). someone needs to teach americans to judge their candidates on their ideas, not them as individuals. that's why obama's heritage was such a HUGE deal during the campaign.

[tonygmilan7]

ron paul attended the national right to life convention. he's anti-abortion.

[Daeghrefn]

Hillary Clinton is not personally pro-life... she's argued adamantly for partial birth abortion. She will of course curtail her message to whoever she happens to be speaking to at the moment. This message will change even within the same speech if it suits her purposes. Clinton is a truly horrible person... I won't say that of most Democrats, but with her- yes, she is truly a horrible person- a political animal if you will.

[Akidnameddroo]

if it's an option, you should turn your auto focus off, It's kinda annoying to watch it bounce...

(great video btw)

[TheAmazingJimmy]

Mr. AndrewFraserEsq, are you wearing a tshirt with your own face on it? Lol, if you are that's awesome.

[pdaniels9000]

you're not going to get an argument from me on that.

but i still think you libertarians are crazy.

[Sivels]

Oh yeah sorry. the constitution doesn't obligate the separation of church and state, true, that was a mistake on my part when I wrote that 6 months ago.

[pdaniels9000]

im not advocating tyrannical government. where exactly in these comments did i say that?

and my point about the US government is that it was an example of government providing freedom to people who lived under nazi tyranny.

[pdaniels9000]

HAHA! wow, so one example of a racist, tyrannical, militaristic government discredits the entire notion of any kind of government?

what about the american government that dismantled the nazis?

[pdaniels9000]

no it was a rhetorical question dumbshit. to show you that "letting states decide" isn't a perfect solution.

[pdaniels9000]

and maybe government needs to intervene IN ORDER to maximize freedom. the notion that government ONLY suppresses freedom is bullshit.

[pdaniels9000]

no, there is nothing in the constitution that says states can't segregate. they had to pass the civil rights act of 1964 to end segregation in the south. i have done my reading and ive concluded that libertarians are full of it.

[pdaniels9000]

so if georgia wants segregation, we should just go ahead and let 'em have it?

[pdaniels9000]

libertarians (at least in the US) believe that government should stay out of people's lives in most areas. in other words they want to "conserve" the government's responsibilities.

this means they oppose environmental regulation, civil rights, public education and health care, and anti-monopoly laws. all of which i think "social liberals" would obviously agree with.

[Sivels]

Well, if you don't have separation of church and state then what do you have then, a national church pay for by your tax money involuntarily that will then go on and advocate for government because the government will be its sponsor.

[71twimom1918]

Ron Paul believes power should be taken away from we the big government and given back to THE PEOPLE!!!! Ron Paul 2012!!!!!!

[pdaniels9000]

libertarianism is just another type of conservatism!!!

[ariaane]

AndrewFraserEsq, you're not even American so your support for RP is pointless.

As for the lefts opposition to RP, its becaue they know that if left to the people, most Americans would vote against abortion, gay marriage etc because AMERICA IS A CENTRE RIGHT COUNTRY.

[Sivels]

libertarian values are universal. Why do you say America is a centre right country? there's 300 mill people there, they're all centre right? well it depends of your *centre*..

[ariaane]

America is a centre right country because that is what POLLS SHOW.

For the first time in 20 years, the majority of Americans are PRO LIFE, not to mention that even most pro choicers want massive restrictions on abortion.

According to Gallup, conservatives have increased in all the three major political groups- Republicans, Democrats and Independents.

Conservatives in the US are the LARGEST ideological block- moderates are next, and liberals are a tiny percentage.

[Sivels]

yes you are right about that.. I am not even American but I support Ron Paul still because I believe in his ideas not his party. What I meant was that obviously Americans are very sceptical of government, by far the majority, with good reason! while liberals like the idea of government in their lives. But if you mean people like the wacko christian conservative family values bigot movement, no these people don t make up a large %. But the repub leaders still pander to them. Why?

[ariaane]

You are very lacking in knowledge about America.

The overwhelming majority of Americans are RELIGOUS. Deal with it.

They don't take kindly to their religous and cultural customs being dissolved, be it by outsiders, or liberals.

Americans are much more socially conservative than us here in the UK. They do make up the MAJORITY of the Republican party, whereas libertarians are so *miniscule* that they get nowhere in the libertarian party, so they opt to join the Republicans.

[Sivels]

who cares, they constitution clearly states SEPARATE church and state, and keep government limited, no big conservative military spending, no big liberal welfarism. SOCIALISM fails. You, sir, is the one lacking in knowledge about America's history and founding principles. It is often minor groups of enlighted individuals who transform a society, like when they wrote they constitution, not the masses who are tamed into acting like sheep, instead of independent individuals

[ariaane]

Do you even know what seperation between Church and State means and its origins? Or are you just repeating blindly what you've heard?

Let me educate you: Seperation between Church and State was errected to prevent government intefering into the affairs of religion- and not the other way around.

If people of a religous nature wish to elect politicians who share their social viewpoints, the fact that the US is a REPUBLIC- and not a democracy, enables them to do is legally.

PS- I'm a she.

[Sivels]

"If people of a religous nature wish to elect politicians who share their social viewpoints, the fact that the US is a REPUBLIC- and not a democracy, enables them to do is legally."

Right

Of course politicians can be religious, but they are not authorised to lecture anyone what they should believe and how they should live. Not anyone.

[ariaane]

Everyone lectures everyone about how they should live, you idiot.

Atheists wish to strip all religion out of society, well the radical ones do anyway.

By their actions, they wish to influence how people live by removing religion from their life.

That, in and of itself, is lecturing people about how to live.

Why don't you grow up a bit- when you've finally left your teenage years, before you comment on such topics, kid.

[Sivels]

lol, you're calling me kid, but you re the one sounding like one, why are you so narrow-minded? what you're saying maybe is true for some people, but it's immoral.. Why do you think everyone needs to lecture everyone about something, that s absurd, only weak people do that

[Sivels]

There's a big difference between interacting/influencing/being influenced and lecturing/getting lectured... btw, you are beginning to reveal yourself as a bigot

[ariaane]

BORING!

Get some new talking points.

Better yet- wait a while, grow up and then comment on these issues.

PS- With the stank intolerant attitudes like yours, libertarians will continue to only get 1% of the populations vote.

You hurt no one but YOURSELF with your attitude.

PS- Ron Paul is very religous- and even though I don't he rejects the the theory of evolution. Go suck on that libertarian loon.

[albertox1980]

Only if you are socialist you may are libertarian.

[albertox1980]

ContraWagner (hace 1 semana) <- You are being controlled by State. Believe me. You are a bunch of ingenuous ignorants controlled by USA agencies for taking control of history, ideas and events, promoving a very dangerous intelectual distorsion. Republican party in USA will never approve marriage and adoption for gay people or abortion like social democratic, socialist, and other parties in Spain did. You are being controlled. Take care of that.

[ContraWagner]

Thank you.

I am a libertarian who strongly believes in gay rights and legalized abortion and I strongly support Ron Paul.

[burgboyburg]

im the same .never knew i would end up liking a repuplican

[Re3volution]

Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now we bleat like sheep for security.

[mjswanderer]

Nice!

[dancetoska]

I did not see those. I will look into it further. Either way, he's much too polarizing a figure to ever hold an office so it doesn't really matter how much people defend him.

[dancetoska]

google it

[heiyoulianglaohu]

I only wish more people in my country could have understood your logic back when they voted a moron like McCain to run on the republican side, leaving us with the choice of the lesser of two evils... again!

[dancetoska]

While I really respect Ron Paul's positions on many issues, I think he is a bit of a lunatic. He is a white supremacist and wants to get rid of the IRS?

[RackEmPunk]

OMG! Get rid of the IRS? NOOOOOOOO!

Answer me this: How can we keep funding wars if we don't have an IRS? We need to tax, tax and then TAX some more. Bombs RULE!

Kill for peace! War forever!

[dancetoska]

Where did I say that I like war? Getting rid of the IRS is a very radical idea. That's all I was saying.

You look like an even bigger idiot than me.

[RackEmPunk]

In case you haven't noticed, the USA is in a straight DOWN nose dive.

We NEED some radical solutions before we corkscrew into the ground.

And quit throwing out the "white supremacist" label without having any proof. It's stupid and false.

Why repeat ridiculous rumors?

[dancetoska]

I already pointed out that I was wrong about that. I didn't realize it was a rumor as I had actually read some articles he had supposedly written.

And I never said I didn't like the idea. It's a radical idea that a lot of people either won't understand or just won't like.

[RackEmPunk]

Glad to hear that you're open to new ideas.

Now... about 9-11...

[nevous8]

RP owns bernake (sp) over and over

[feeknocks]

if you don't mind my asking.. are you an interior designer by any chance, mate?

[d0nn3rs]

"it's quite simple" said Thatcher "Liberty under the law, thats everything you need to know."

[Elasaltaculos]

Actually RP is the true conservative. Both the labels "conservative" and "liberal" have been hijacked. Conservativism and liberalism are not opposite ideologies from an american perspective.

"liberals" are authoritarian socialists and "conservatives" (neocons) are theocratic expansionists who cant distinguish between a democracy and a republic.

[ineyeseek]

IM GAY and RON PAUL RULES! Long Beach CA! GAY PRIDE THIS WEEKEND! WOOT WOOT!

[AndrewFraserEsq]

LOL; I'd studied American history, I'm obsessed with Constitutional Law; we're going through a lot of constitutional reform in Britain and we will probably look to America for ideas.

The problem is the same here, people just don't care about constitutional issues. Ultimately though it's about protecting freedom, people shouldn't wait for their freedom to be lost!

[PeckerGoblin]

so far so good, on to part 2. Keep em coming. Ron Paul does not look like he is even close to securing this election however...Shame I had so much hope for America.

[carterandy2]

Founding fathers of the US were not Christian, they were Deists.

[totino]

Putting the abortion decision, gay rights, etc in the hands of the states makes him a text book conservative. Letting the people decide at the state level, makes him a text book conservative.

You're mixing up conservatism and traditionalism.

[LittlePoopyJimmy]

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

-- Ron Paul, 1992, in a typical hate-filled racist tirade. Ron Paul is a sworn enemy of freedom.

[RackEmPunk]

"Hate filled?" NOT.

Truth filled? YES!

Go ahead. Tell us how gang bangers are really just "misunderstood."

[AndrewFraserEsq]

Conservatism is much older than libertarianism. The old conservatives wanted to keep the acien regime. Conservatism is inherently reactionary and formed out of attacking those with ideas that were against the status quo.

[prikhod]

@AndrewFraserEsq: "Conservatism is inherently reactionary and formed out of attacking those with ideas that were against the status quo."

Sure, if these "new ideas" originate in Marxist ideology and are trojan for socialism, you know things like feminism, liberalism, "save the planet" crap, political correctness and others.

[AdamShanklyUK]

I agree with everything except your hair cut

[Tallandhuggable]

i agree with everything he says and i think his hair cut is hot, so shutup!

[AndrewFraserEsq]

you're too kind! I'm sure he wasn't being offensive.

[Tallandhuggable]

i'm sure he wasn't, it was just a joke! jeez, just cos its politics we can't have a bit of fun - lighten up everyone!

[Tallandhuggable]

ALTHOUGH saying that, when one says that one doesn't "agree" with something, it usually means that they object to its existance. I mean whats not to agree with a haircut? Its there, its a sheer brute fact. Theres nothing more to agree with than there is agreeing with the sun or the clouds. As a theology student (such as I am,) we learn to question such things.

[Tallandhuggable]

I mean I don't know you AndrewFraserEsq, but I imagine you take some pride in your appearance and your existance as a whole....surely it insults you slightly, when someone disagrees with something which is not even a point for discussion, something which you take a great deal of effort preparing each day (I would imagine.)

[AndrewFraserEsq]

my hair is a libertarian statement, I am not forced to have a shavenhead by an authority! LOL whatever, the only validation I need is from myself. :)

[AdamShanklyUK]

^All this over a haircut?!

[robhdg]

rubbish,

he doesn't believe in allowing the states to decide on marriage. he doesn't want government involved in marriage at all at federal or state level for heteros or gays. he believes that marriage is a religious institution not a government one.

[AndrewFraserEsq]

so marriage/unionship would not be legally recognised? The law wouldn't recognises spouses? Family law wouldn't take into account couples being married? Think carefully about what Ron Paul has said!

[robhdg]

sorry you are right. i will rephrase. personally he does not believe in government involvement at any level. from a political perspective he doesn't see this as a fed function but rather a state function.

[dingusmungus]

The government should not be involved in a contract between two people... Even at the state level.

[AndrewFraserEsq]

If the state wouldn't recognise contracts, or there was no state to recognise contracts (Anarchism), contracts would become obsolete because there would be no adjudicating process to enforce them. The courts have to recognise contracts in order to enforce them. I study law and read a lot of judicial decisions; they comment on social and cultural realities when giving their rulings.

[AndrewFraserEsq]

The common marriage contract is a social reality, what wrong is in a judge recognising that reality. I agree that the state shouldn't define reality but merely recognise it! Gay couples should be able to enter into a private contract of marriage, and if it is breached, the courts should enforce it! That's a much simpler way of looking at it!

[countrybob2]

For the states to decide is the right way. The fed wants all the control and most americans DO NOT see they are being rail roaded. I personally would rather have 50 choices of states to live in that ONE Government to decide.

[NeonKnight88]

He is for gay marriage being decided by churches.

[AndrewFraserEsq]

Well of course! Religious institutions can revise or change their stances on issues which have nothing to do with the government.