The Idol of Personal Peace and Affluence (Schaeffer) [1of3]

[TheCelticChimp]

Professors who taught that life had no meaning are there are no fixed values :) What a tool.

This is the equivalent of a non-Christian claiming that pastors teach that human sacrifice is wonderful.

He is espousing such a crass, idiotic re-imagining of secular thought and history. This man is a testament to how poor an agument need be to be accepted by large groups of people who want the same conclusion.

[DazedSpy2]

him saying ninteen hundred and sixty ___ is really starting to bug me.

[bixntram]

Spoken like a true Christian.

[bixntram]

"Judge net lest ye be judged" -- Mr. Christslove. Not something I would expect a presumed Christian to say. I met the man, by the way. He didn't come across that way at the time, but he sure does in this video.

[ij11wilson]

Christians need to wake up and realize that for all the government has done, we are less safe & nearly bankrupt. The politicians are llars by and large. They will say anything to us to get elected. We need to look at voting records to see who really beleives what they talk about. This is where the truth of politicians character is.

[ij11wilson]

 We wouldnt stand for one foreign military base in America, and we shouldnt be so arrogant to assume that other human beings would feel differently. 1 million Iraq women & children have died since our invasion of that country over 10 years ago. That "Christians" would endorse America being bogged down in a 10 year war that is spreading to nearly 5 additional countries, and not recognize that our immoral foreign policy is the driving factor-is repugnant.

[ij11wilson]

Ron Paul dares to point out to Christians that America's foreign policy of intervention into the affairs of nations is what is causing the blowback & retaliation against us. Ron Paul states that we should (especially Christians) seek to understand the motivations of others & why they strike us, to understand how to solve the problem. The only way to solve our problem is to quit invading countries & telling the people how to live

[ij11wilson]

Ron Paul reminds me of Schaeffer in this modern time...pointing to the truth of so many pressing issues we face, from the Federal Reserve Manipulation of the economy for the benefit of the few, to the corruption in both major poloitical parties, who endorse the same ideology in practivce, only they speak like they are different to the people to get elected/re-electected. Very obvious.

[cmsalvagio]

this is wack



[jaffacec]

today's version of the idols of peace and affluence seems to be mostly athiesm/science, so often i hear athiests such as richard dawkins blaming religion for all evill in the world and blaming it for war while accusing it of being a way for some to control others (while regarding true christianity as just another false religion), God destroys all idols which are put in his place and has through history, i wonder what tradegy will have to arise when God destoys the idol of athiesm/evolution

[TheCelticChimp]

@jaffacec

The "idol" of evolution. Don't like reality, not to worry, God will massacre loads of people to change reality to something you find more palatable. One of the richest organisations on earth is the Catholic church... no wait don't bother. They aren't REAL Christians. Atheism is often associated with liberal thinking, liberals are always accused by conservatives of wanting to distribute wealth more evenly which is just unamerican dammit!. The Christian right hates any form of charity

[bixntram]

I'm sorry but Schaeffer comes across as a pompous, self-righteous ass.

[TheChristsLove]

@bixntram He comes across as that to you. It's a personal problem you have. Not Schaeffer.

[konman001]

Wow - "I don't care what happens to the man across the street or across the world" - that is DEFINITELY part of American attitude. With recent riots in Greece and how they influence us whils most people here don't really care, this definitely hits home.

[w96725]

Psalms 53:1.

[Zwemer100]

Intresting

[Willowtable]

One idea they probably had right at Berkley is that a young man on LSD surely wouldn't fight the government's war for him.

[rg0057]

Having seen the entire series, I've concluded the man is a nut, quite simply.

He fails to recognize that he himself has put the writings of MAN (i.e. The Bible) at the center of his universe. As such, he is guilty of everything he claims others are, including arbitrary elite absolutes.

I'm only commenting on this particular video because it's the first one I found on Youtube. It would apply equally to all of Schaeffer's. No wonder so many involved with these films have converted away.

[TheSubwaysurfer]

Every college student in America should view this series as part of their core sociology curriculum . Sadly, this will not happen, because prof Schaeffer is " one of those Crazy hateful Christians" I found out about this brilliant man while in college, myself, and his passion, his clarity of thought, his razor sharp social analysis was like a breath of fresh air. AND he was proof positive that "CHRISTIANS WERENT DUMB" as so many critics led one to believe

[yoursuchagoodguy]

In his autobiographical book "Crazy for God" Francis Schaeffer's son Frank does a good exposing the hypocrisy, deceit, and anti American thinking of the religious right.

[historyguy10]

This man of God was very good, one of the deepest thinkers I have ever seen.

[rg0057]

@historyguy10 , please read more, then. He's a lightweight.

[UndergroundMan1984]

@rg0057 LOL. Lightweight eh? By that do you mean that he is unintelligent, expresses views different from yours, or speaks simply and directly?

[Entropy56]

Francis' definition of personal peace is contrived. The parents of the hippies were the last generation to grow up on farms, had no TV, lived through the Great Depression, and pulled together to defeat the Nazis. They were the generation that knew the value of hard work. Finally, that generation got their first break after the war to rebuild their lives.

He said, "rightly so" the youth generation rejected the values of their parents. No! The 60s generation were a bunch of spoiled brats!

[Rev1vedR0manEmp1re]

i'm surprised i ever got turned on to this guy.

there are no mistakes in life maybe

[FritsPeter]

Can you put the film Whatever happened to the human race- on youtube as well. I'm looking for it, but it is not there. Thanks in advance.

[MarcusCMarcellus]

"...and a small, hard-core group of violent New Left members remained.."

And now we have them in the WHITE HOUSE!!!!

[session9100]

@MarcusCMarcellus thats just stupid the democrats now are so far to the right they could easily be considered moderate right republicans put the bible down and read real books sometime thank you

[BenAliGtor]

"The Idol of Personal Peace and Affluence".

Pretty goddamned hypocritical, coming from a guy who spent a greater part of his adult life in idle luxury in a chalet in Switzerland, sending his kiddies off to private boarding schools, all the while sponging off the largesse of contributors.

And what is his final legacy? The prostitution of Christian ideals to become pimp for the emerging Christian Right.

His own kid Frank has written the best antidote to any inclination to revere him.

[trevzero]

francis says revere Christ , not himself. what are u attacking. the ideals. no Christ is who you attack from the depths of a dark and lost heart. Christ wants to fill that darkness. thanks.

[DasGreenCow]

BenAliGator:

you sound a bit wealth envious.

You don't have a problem with pop stars using their artistic tallents to achieve finance and personal success. Why should it be wrong for a philopher to achieve success?

[BenAliGtor]

"You don't have a problem with pop stars using their artistic tallents to achieve finance and personal success."

So you're conceding that he had no more ethical substance, when all's said & done, than a "pop star"?

"Why should it be wrong for a philo[so]pher to achieve success? "

Who deemed him a "philosopher"? He never made that claim. "Cultural apologist" (whatever the hell THAT may be) is one I heard bandied about, but never "philosopher". He didn't even have a degree in philosophy.

[neibthe]

Dude, you're a very angry man, what are you so angry about.

I just hope you're scrutinizing you're own worldview and life the same way you're nitpicking on others. Hypocracy comes in many facade.

[CarryANationIII]

Schaffer was a philosopher, one of the most interested post-WWII. His degrees are irrelevant.

But you question about how that is different than a "pop star" is a good one.

[Kentagurna]

"Horrendous values" is right!!! Well put.

[fuuunnnn]

1 Peter 5:8 >>Keep your mind clear, and be alert. Your opponent the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion as he looks for someone to devour.

[bdouvill]

It's one of the tragic ironies of Schaeffer that a man who strongly opposed the culture of affluence ended up playing a role in the formation of the Christian Right (which aligned itself with fiscal conservatives VERY committed to the culture of affluence).

[schizophrenic2]

You are mistaken. Liberals promote Government robbing the rich to give to the poor. Conservatism says that the rich have the right to keep their money or give to the poor voluntarily. The Conservative view is more in line with Christianity, because each man is answerable to God for the rewards that God gives to him. God intended Government not to re-distribute the wealth, but reward those who do good and punish evildoers. Conservatives are for individual giving. Lib. Gov. steals to give.

[elar4563]

The "christian right" has been around for 2,000 years. Conservatives believe that there are certian things that cannot change such as truth, morality and so on. Liberals believe in a "progression" away from tradional values and those that do not conform they will demonize.

[redletterchurch]

Personal Peace and Affluence, in and of itself, is not a bad thing. When it is pursued with Constructive Competition and Responsibility, it actually works quite well. The problem was, and is, Destructive Competition, Corruption, and Irresponsibility. The young people didn't fine tune what they were rebelling against. They knew something was very wrong, but they threw out the baby with the bathwater. The CIA apparently brought tons of drugs into the USA and agitated campus unrest. Very sad.

[Conail23]

the Church and the whole Nation, desperately need to hear this message.

[strangeworth]

is poor in its sensitivity to nature... As a utopian group, the counterculture understands something very real, both as to the culture as a culture, but also as to the poverty of modern man's concept of nature and the way the machine is eating up nature on every side."

-Francis Schaeffer

[strangeworth]

More than this, they were right in the fact that the plastic culture - modern man, the mechanistic worldview in university textbooks and in practice, the total threat of the machine, the establishment technology, the bourgeois upper middle class -

[strangeworth]

thank you for this.

[starsohma]

Sadly he passed away around the time I was born, so I never got the privilege of meeting him in person. I love is book "A Christian Manifesto," I hope they put up more of his material on Youtube...

[TaeKwonDohBoy]

I have just finished reading his "Christian Manifesto". With that superb novel in Christian logic alone, I do not hesitate to recommend his material.

[firstlettertwice]

Where can you find his works?

[RoseJamison]

Love Francis Schaeffer. A true intellectual and man of God.

[888plant]

I met him at Madison Square Garden.

[LaneCh]

I would have loved to. I'm reading his complete works now. I highly recommend them.

[888plant]

When I shook his hand and thanked him for what he was doing,he didn't act like it was a big deal.I felt he was a very humble man.

[vico100]

I wasn't even born then :(

[yamagoof]

@888plant I can't tell you how envious I am of you for that! Dr. Schaeffer was a great man and I adore his teachings.

[greenknight4]

What's the music they use in the introduction?

[ladyjane63]

We did this series 1st semester in 12th Grade Bible (1981).  I've always loved and admired Schaeffer. Thank you for posting this. It is bringing back great memories.

[thuddas]

I very much like this man.

One point about the bombing however. A british general in the 50's wrote a document for his government detailing how a group or party can be destroyed more completely in the minds of the people by staging an atrocity in that groups name, than if you were to wipe it out with force. This generals idea's were put into action by the British and they have used it many times, Iran and Northern Ireland are two examples. Is it inconcievable that U.S could use this tactic?

[patrissimo]

Schaeffer introduced me to philosophy.

[bberchin]

Schaeffer was a treasure and this series is wonderful. It should be tought in every church! To young people in particular!

[LaneCh]

I agree, Brett. I know I would have benefited and understood it if I would have heard it when I was younger. I think when it's said that we shouldn't show things like this to younger people because it would be "over their heads" it is just an excuse so the older people won't have to deal with the content of it for the most part.

[jasproul]

@bberchin I think its the baby boomer generation that needs to watch this video. Young people and there extreme traumas and dysfunctions today are just the fall out from the extreme Godlessness of that generation

[ProclaimHisWord]

Dr.Schaeffer is sorely missed!he was a giant of a christian thinker!