I would feel totally violated if I discovered my beliefs to be a fraud. But common sense is all it takes to see through what J.S. was trying to do. The sad thing is, the Mormons are actually very nice people, and very dedicated to what they believe. They need to continue their lifestyle, but apply the Truth to their views of Jesus and God. Joseph Smith was not who they think he was. I'm sorry, but when I was a child, they told me santa claus was real. I just had to face the facts.
Archaeology and Biblical scholarship tells us that there is absolutely no archaeological evidence for what the Bible says until and including Solomon. So..., no Solomon's temple (the so called "First temple"), no Solomon's kingdom (the so called "united monarchy"), nothing about the Jews ever been at Egypt, no Abraham, and no Adam and Eve.
So..., those Mormons say they found a book written by Abraham and in Egyptian hieroglyphics? Well, then, let us see it. Where is it?
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Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were 33rd degree Freemasons. Joseph Smith was codifying Freemasonry and putting a thin Christian vail on it. That's why Freemasons killed him.
The Book of Abraham Itself: Composition, Rhetorical Style, and Biblical Form
Of the five chapters that make up the Book of Abraham, 4 and 5 parallel Genesis 1:1 - 31 and 2:1 - 20. Polemicists often focus on these chapters and only these to make a case for plagiarism
"Smith’s publication of the Book of Abraham in 1842 coincided with his investiture as a Master Mason; his Egyptian grammar can be seen as a template for something Masonic." E. Cecil McGavin
To eag11e, relax, we're all related. And if they are wrong, whats the bother? If you believe all you hear from your whomever, you have an issue to worry more about. Smile, it improves your face value, and say something nice.
@thelion1944 Let's see I will say the nicest things I can say about joe smith. He was a con artist. He was a Liar, He was a fraud, He was a glass looker, he practiced the occult. He was immoral, He perpetrated a bank scam. He stole other people's property. He was an adulterer. He shot 3 men point blank. He hired a hit man to kill Gov. Willburn Boggs. Well, I better stop now. Those are the nicest things I can say about joe. The rest of what I can say about him will not be very nice....:)
@thelion1944 It is not curious. The mormons are wrong! Why would God need to use a con artist, adulterer and fraud to usher in his last dispensation of the fullness of times? It is obvious, He wouldn't. Don't you have some genealogy you should be doing?
The Abraham Papyrus is an absurd fraud and easily disproved. An embarrassment to the Hierarchy . This joke is what Joe conjured up out of his perception of Real Egyptian. He was wrong 100% of the time! Statistically significant but in the wrong direction. So, how much error is there in the Book of Mormon, translated from non existent "reformed" Egyptian for which not a scintilla of evidence exists. And translated with the plates outside and his head in his hat with his pet rock!?
Over & over... Mormons will stand by their feelings about the accuracy of things they're told in church... Often at 180 degree odds to irrefutable Evidence.
I like this analogy: Suppose a dear friend of yours called & told you s/he won a six-seven-or perhaps eight figure lotto... Wouldn't your feeling go Overboard for your friend? How Wonderful!
But then, friend calls you back and says... It was a hoax; I didn't really win anything...
Mormons cling to Smith's book of Abraham even tho it is known fake translation. So too is the Book of Mormon a fictional tale that is bereft of evidence . For that mormon enlist to pay 10% of income to LDS inc.
@toxoid J.Smith's book of Abraham failed translation remains doctrinal = "plan of salvation" the purpose of life resembling more altered Kabbalah teachings.
10% temple membership fee is not a donation. LDS are required to pay this to renew their temple going membership.
@kramd1 Yes, and now I read that with all of this required tithing....the mormons are going to build a 1 Billion Dollar shopping Mall in salt lake city, Utah. Nice use of the Lords money! And, I have to cringe everytime I see a poor person or someone suffering. And, these mormons won't help them with all of this money they have taken from their flock.
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Many so-called facts in this video are way off the mark. One example, Joseph Smith did not establish a bank, but others did. He has been accused of establishing a bank, but facts of that day differ from those that continue to falsify that fact. Oh, there are a number of other completely off-the-wall facts, so if someone wanted to know them, they ought to not figure on getting them from this video. But if someone wanted to read that Book of Abraham, they would find it very interesting.
@thelion1944 Yes, joe's banking venture did not fare well. Wilford Woodruff, mormon prophet, describes how joe had a vision to start a bank. joe sent oliver cowdry to get a license from the legislature. But, they did not grant it. So joe formed an anti-bank rather than a bank. And, proceeded without a banking certificate. It is estimated the Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company lost between $25000 and $33000. Allot of money in that time. joe was fined $1000 and had to flee Ohio!
This is hilarious. This religion used to ban Africans from serving in the church and their whole system is supposedly based on African writings and African artifacts...
You know what is amazing? Theists capacity to utterly ignore fact. It doesn't matter how many times you prove their religion is horseshit, they will go right on thinking they have the answers. Then they wonder why the religious carry the stereotype that they are all morons? Theists, you are embarrassing.
Throw out the baby and the bath water. I wanted to send this to a close relative. That fucking ending is bullshit! Please just present the fucking facts. Don't throw in the theist argument. Let people decide for themselves. The ending seems to encourage to exchange the Mormon flavor of bullshit with a Christian flavor of bullshit that has had time to age. When you add a Christian twist to your ending you discredit all of your research. Mormons will immediately discredit the whole piece.
@beaufordslyone Thank you for saving me some time. I wanted to learn about the real Joseph Smith but the results I always get are either Mormon propaganda or shitty Christian Apologetic videos aimed at Mormons Lol
@beaufordslyone I know! That ending was awful. I'm an exmormon atheist because leaving the church taught me how to see through fallacious arguments. It didn't hurt my ability to trust; it refined it. I put my trust in EVIDENCE now.
@gravehunter73 Which prophet was true and which lied? joe smith stated he never practiced polygamy! brigham young taught that joe smith did practice polygamy. Which prophet was true? which lied? Which of the several versions of the first vision are true? The one joe smith wrote? or the one your church recognizes that it wrote? Which version of the papyrus is true? joe smith's version which is the book of mormon. Or the translation by Egyptoligists that state it is funeral instructions? AMEN
@gravehunter73 Don't your dare try to speak in Christ's name when you know nothing of him. You worship a man who married 14 year old girls and was a man whore.
@gravehunter73 That is great. maybe someday if you endure to the end, you can become a God and have thousands you wives you can bang on a daily basis to create your own earth. Good for you!!
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have you ever read the book of mormon makes no sense , sounds like hog wash.. paints them the 13th lost tribe than the 12th tribes of hebrews.. come on.. these were racist white's of that time ..the whole point about mormons these earlyer followers believe this joseph smith to be holy . blindin these people from the true teaches of jesus . he's been burnin in hell since then ..
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Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! JoD 1:50 p.51 Brigham Young, April 9, 1852
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken - HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do.
Our God and Father in heaven, is a being of tabernacle, or, in other words, He has a body, with parts the same as you and I have.. His son Jesus Christ has become a personage of tabernacle, and has a body like his father.
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
To all those mormos who would like to "Hie to Kolob" guess what you follow the teachings of uneducated con men. JS and BY are the cornerstones of this man made hoax passed for a religion. In all likelyhood 90% of mormos don't have a clue what their religion teaches. Because for them simply showing up on Sunday to "church" with their KJV and BoM tucked under their arm is good enough so they don't care and are willingly ignorant of what it's really all about.
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Look at all the "dislikes" on this video. This video's evidence is CONCLUSIVE. Get over it already. It disgusts me how people will cling to whatever they want to believe, no matter how obvious the falsehood of the belief is. Joseph Smith was a con man, plain and simple.
@thesignsoflife7 Yes, he has blinded himself to the Truth! This is what happens in a "cult". They ensare you and drag you in. you begin to accept what they tell you, even if it is Lies. Things become blurred, Truths appear to be Lies, and Lies are passed off as truths. But, he can escape, it is up to him. He need only open his eyes!
I like the last sentence: Apparently they never will". Yeah, thats right. Spiritual matters are only unfolded spiritualy to those who want to know the truth. Being a PHD in Egyptology doesnt mean that you know anything about ancient religion and practices... You dont need to be a educated person to see the lack of understanding about God's dealing with his sons and daughters in the eyes of a few gentlemen here in this documentary. Once you acquired a testimony from God, It will last forever.
@papakelseys So is it your "testimony" that the book of abraham is an Egyptian record of how to conduct a funeral, as most experts describe the papyrus. Or is it a completely different account, an account of abraham written in his own hand, in reformed egyptian ( whatever that is)?
@eag11e Yes! its an account of Abraham in Egyptian about something diferent than it is described here in this documentary... Its not my testimony though...
@papakelseys You trust an anaesthesiologist to administer the right dose so as not to wake up during surgery, and a mechanic to fix your brakes, but not a PHD in Egyptology. Having this much cognitive dissonance is its own punishment.
It is so sad, that many was mislead by this one man. God has said, nothing is hidden that will not be reveal. Joseph Smith was con period. Mormon church is still lying to their member, There is no security with this cult & faults religion. They won't ever tell the truth, they have too much money in stake that is sad. But we must pray for them, at least like those couples left. May more people in that church wake up to their lies and get out. They are leading them to Hell...
I wished they would have shown this film in primary! Instead, all I got was the adventures of 'Johnny Lingo'. Which "dark-skinned" lamanite was he related too?
Actually, Johnny Lingo's wife was an eight cow woman. I see mormon continual evolving history has again taught us different. But my LDS family twisted this idea as eight wives to one cow-headed priesthood holder.
@josephsmithwashere LOL, yes an 8 cow woman. Now that's what I'm talking about. Nice, 8 wives (victims) to each cow headed priesthood holder. Great! I almost fell off of my chair laughing......:)
The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty,liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke,The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back, and a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Guti rule.Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians, Badawy notes,The Akkadian dynasty (2350-2150 BC) marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia,a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC)
Any mormon who thinks they will reach a non mormon by slandering the truth viciously, is deceived. Arrogance, and Lies are not the way! Keep the negative comments to yourself, but speak with Love, and tell Truth. That is all!
Anyone who thinks they will reach a mormon by slandering their faith viciously, is deceived. Love is the only way! Keep the negative comments to yourself, but talk about the beauty of Christ and that He is the only thing you need! That is all!
everyone search for >>mormon lady went to hell<< here on youtube and hear the testimony of white woman who said that she died in the hospital and went to hell and saw her family members and friends who had died before her. she said that they were shouting at her and telling her to go back and leave the mormon church that it is a demonic religion created by satan to bring people to hell and many more. she came back to life and left the mormon church. help to spread the video testimony
The truth about the book of Abraham comes from the inspired message. It does not matter what triggers a prophet to inquire of the Lord or what method the Lord uses to communicate with the prophets. When Moses was charged to demonstrate the power of God with a staff, do we scrutinize the staff or study the miracles? No serious investigation of the Book of Abraham can be complete without studying it's wondrous message, applying the principles in faith, and asking God in sincere prayer.
@TheBandSecretary Good brother, I read your words of having faith. I would that you may draw closer to the Lord. I have found a stone, even a stone whence placed within my "old white hat", I can peer in and see the things I should see. Even wondrous things even things pertaining to you and the gaining of much treasure if it be the Lords will. Now, brother will you make a contribution? Send your life savings, that the Lord's work may continue! Also send photos of your wife and daughters. (cont)
@TheBandSecretary as the Lord may have purpose for them in his Kingdom. We are exploring practice of polygamy and polyandry. This that the woman may be sanctified in my name for attainment of the highest kingdom. Now, don't be full of worry or fear. The Lord has given you much, now is the time to show your faith and give back to the Lord what is his. The Lord would desire you convert your material possessions to cash, US Dollar. And send proceeds immediately. your reward will be in heaven!
@TheBandSecretary Surely ONLY a serious investigation of the Book of Abraham would be complete WITHOUT recourse to appealing to some supernatural authority. Seeing as the translation is actually false anyway if someone is claiming they have received spiritual confirmation of it being true we can easily see they are deceived.
Even if you discover for yourself that the Mormon Church is not true, you will always know that you have Christ, and He is all that matters! This is why you must build upon Him! He has given you a promise that if you follow Him and have faith He will Save you! You don't need ordinances and laws in order to be justified, just complete faith in His Son Jesus Christ of whom I am in debt forever and whose name I will praise forever because of His infinite love!
I promise you, any Mormon listening, that if you rely upon Christ completely you will be able to listen to all points of view with an open heart, and He will give you strength. Because as long as you lean on Him with full purpose of heart as you seek out truth, He will not let you fall. You will find that your relationship with Him will be strengthened and you will feel the absolute need for Him as you learn more about the Mormon church history. He is what you must build your foundation upon!
Thank you for putting such a fair and balanced video on this topic out there. To Mormon's, of which I used to be, please just rely upon Christ and His Righteousness and His finished work completely for your salvation. He freed us from having to live up to the perfect standard and the beauty is that we will have His Righteousness imputed on our behalf if we will but believe on Him alone for our Salvation and Love one Another! You don't need a religion, you just need Christ and He will save you!
joe smith was convicted in 1826 of fraud in the case of treasure seeking for hire. joe had a "peep" stone he would put into his hat and then claimed to peer into it and find treasure. This was called glass looking at the time. He couldn't find the treasure and was taken to court and found guilty. Yes, he was a con man indeed. He also started a bank in Kirtland Ohio, from which he defrauded countless people. He was a well documented womanizer and practiced the occult.
...............This is so unbelievable, dont really care usually about religion ,They all lie but this tripped me out because the religion is so big and famous. .... Can it all be based on a con-man??..........................keepin this tab open awhile to see comments.................................pt 1, rebuttal to Lost Book of Abraham, by a faithful LDS is title to rebuttle video
................This is so unbelievable, dont really care usually about religion ,They all lie but this tripped me out because the religion is so big and famous. .... Can it all be based on a con-man??..........................keepin this tab open awhile to see comments
lol the church has a rebuttal video to this have you seen it? It's pretty long. The tab is open haven't had timre to read yret.......... like i said in my my comment 4 days ago ............. . I'm Curious If the Church and the members will insult me by trying to justify or explain J. Smith's Lie?.... I found a responsed i haven't heard it yet but looks like they DID NOT admit it?? jeeze
When Jan Shipp says "Text, Text, Text" it drives nails of truth into the casket of Mormonism. All the text is trash. Lies. Not errors, they're lies. J. Smith knew he was a liar. And if he can't get the text right in REAL Egyptian what's that do the the supposed authenticity and complete lack of evidence for "Reformed Egyptian".? Add in an old white hat, a pet rock and some really big glasses and you have the Book of Mormon fraud. Delusional. how many frauds does one need?
@ilreput1 Thanks for talking with me. I am gona leave this tab open.( I am Newbie and just started reading comments on Youtube 3 days ago so not sure how it works to keep updated)
Can you suggest some unbiased video's that honestly explain the basics of the various religions? What would you call me ? People ask. I have no clue how to catagorize my belifs in a simple statement. By the way i could not begin to guess your Beliefs. Your articulation is so unbiased. I Totally appreciate and respect that. Whatever they are you are an asset to your Church or Religion if you even have one. You may just be a scholar.:)
Thanks I would love to conversate with you. You seem to have really studied the religions. I haven't. From what I have seen and experienced they are so judgemental to other beleif systems. The threat of hell and your soul Is ridiculous. I have no tolerance for that. Mormanism as you explain the creation blows my mind. Does any R include the ancient archeology ie Egypt, Sumar?
What would I be IF I thought Jesus was A MAN but regarded him as our best Humanitarian and one who obtaind Absolute Highest level of spirit perhaps Supernatural. But Do not Like the Religion or many things in Bible. Jesus' words are the only thing good about Christianity.The 10 comndmts ok The Golden Rule rocks. Hipocrisy runs rampant throughChristianity,. I Do like the compassion, enlightenment, nature, free will, energy, science etc philosophies All R's has a bit. And Many demigods 1 Creator.
Agree until- if we live by their doctrine - whose,mormans? then that sucks( I believe ALL CAN) christians beleive he was God?- ALL Do? all non-Christians don't.- Who are they? Most other religions have no knowledge of him-. What R's?s? Ithougt the major ones had high regard for him Some doubt he was an actual person- Which R's are those? as tangible as The Book of Mormon - no proof.- Don't understand statement.
I do understand Islam
Ty@ilruput Want to know differences. I Hate the Hate
@chris62468 The word Christ means "redeemer", "saviour". To be a christian you have to believe Jesus was the Christ. You can have an appreciation of the "teachings of Jesus" and not believe he was God. I don't believe Jesus was a real person.
@ilreput1 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who is God and who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. (Philippians 2:5-6)
Mesopotamia developes a one god theory, Judaism borrows it and some myths, Christianity borrows Judaism and gives God a son, Mormonism borrows Christianity and gives it an American connection, and on it goes.
@ilreput1 mormonism claims to be christian, however, they teach polytheism or more than one God. While main stream Christianity teaches monotheism or one God only.
@eag11e Main stream Christianity teaches polytheism masquerading as monotheism. God has a son and a holy spirit, an anti-god called The Devil, and in some branches of Christianity he has a Queen of Heaven and many saints to pray to. Judaism is a monotheistic religion. Christianity is misinterpreted Judaism with the added pagan idea of God having a son.
@ilreput1 You say Jesus is a lie,and not God,Joe smith was an occultist who was visited by a demon,and not an angel,You really need to find the truth ,and i hope you do because to say that God never sent his only son to die for our sin's and denying the cross will not be forgiven.The sad thing is morminism is just over 200 years old or something.Btw there is no mention of this moroni angel in the bible and joe smith was a stone mason a occult group who you may know as the illuminati.
@TheKith88 The story of Jesus is an invention of the Roman church based on Greek and Persian myths and is as credible as gold plates. 2000 years doesn't make it more believeable than something only 200 years old. Christianity is hijacked Judaism. I don't believe a Jesus ever lived and even if part of it is based on a real person, he wasn't God. God having a son is from pagan religions. Monotheism means one god, not one with a son born of an earth woman; that would be Zeus and Apollo.
@ilreput1 your confused,there are not only biblical records of Jesus but historical records of Jesus life and death on the cross,The only un pardonable sin is unbelief .
@TheKith88 2 questionable references to Yehoshua in Josephus' History of the Jews, written 60 years after the supposed incident. There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus during his supposed lifetime. Thallus supposedly mentions the name in 52AD but no written record of this exists before 221AD. Jesus is an invention like Moroni. Great that you can supress reason enough to believe in a son of God, but I never will.
@ilreput1 you might want to read the prophecies in the OLD testament about the messiah and son of God ,Jesus is every where in the Old testament,he is the word,read Isaiah 53,just to name one and you tell me who he is talking about ,btw the Old testament was written way before catholosism was even thought of.
@TheKith88 The Torah was written before Catholicism, the Old Testament is not the same thing. The Jew's Messiah is not Jesus, because he fulfills none of the prophecies. You think the race who wrote the Torah wouldn't recognize the real Messiah? Monotheism is one God, not 3. The Messiah was never going to be the son of God that's a blasphemous idea. No Jew would proclain such a thing. Jesus is a lie.
@ilreput1 The Torah is the first 5 books that Moses wrote,you think i don't know what the Torah or think i have not read it genesis,exodus,leviticus,numbers,and deuteronomy ,read them over and over,in gen 1-26 "let US make man in OUR image,after OUR likeness?who do you think the "OUR" and "US" is?God is one God,but just like we as humans have a spirit and a physical body and our emotions and will control what we do ,it is the same with God.Jesus is the Physical manifestation of what God would
@ilreput1 look like,and of course the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.And we as Christians believe that God the Father is the will and emotions of God That is the best way that I can explain it 3 persons ,1 God,Our minds just cannot comprehend fully how God works and i don't intend to even try.
@TheKith88 You use the same logic of "our" and "us" to cover your trinity that Mormons use to cover their idea of many gods. God will never take on human form, the idea belongs to pagan religions. The Roman gods had sons with earth women. There is only one God and he doesn't make earth women pregnant with his children, nor does he visit earth disguised as a man. You will never convince me the Vatican had any more credibility when it formed the New Testament, than Joseph Smith.
@ilreput1 I am praying for you. You believe in historical fact, right? Why would other historians from the same era as when Jesus lived, attest to His existence? This isn't just a Biblical source, these are outside sources, what would they have to gain? The Bible also warns of these very comments, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, ...and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. - Colossians 2:8-9. Immanuel, God with us. Mat 1:23
@TheKith88 To deny something you first have to believe it happened, I'm not denying the cross, I'm saying Jesus never lived. It's great that you believe in it, but it's no more believeable than Mormonism.
@chris62468 Momons believe that Jesus is a seperate God unto himself and that each of us can become a God if we live by their doctrine. All Christian religions believe Jesus was God, all non-Christians don't. Islam believe Jesus was a prophet. Most other religions have no knowledge of him. Some doubt he was an actual person, as tangible as The Book of Mormon - no proof.
@chris62468 For one thing, the mormon prophet brigham young taught the "Adam, God Doctrine". In this he teaches that Adam is Micheal the Ark Angel, and that Adam and Jehova are 2 lessor Gods to Elohim. In this doctrine, Elohim directs Adam and Jehova to create the world and they do. Then a council of Gods decides that Adam should be the God of this world. So brigham teaches Adam is the God of the bible and this world. He goes on to teach Adam is the literal father of Jesus!
Reading the comments and can still justify My statement Below " I Don't like Religion (Manipulates and thinks for you) . I love Each and Every Persons beliefs IF in Unconditional Love, Truth, and Kindness."
BUT WILL ADD: Religion causes Hate and Chaos and War and Division and Competition and Violence and Intolerance and................. Religion Is Evil.
OOHP !! BUSTED! Lol . There is no way ANY person can explain away this Fraud. No way to even correct the record except to admit it. It was the EGYPTION BOOK OF THE DEAD NOT THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM. A Major Religion based on a Con-Man. WOW I Don't like Religion(Manipulates and thinks for you) . I love Each and Every Persons beliefs IF in Unconditional Love, Truth, and Kindness. I'm Curious If the Church and the members will insult me by trying to justify or explain J. Smith's Lie?
false what a supprise but yet Christians and catholics etc still believe in something that is nothing more but a story told by others that can not be refuted because there is no proof one way or the other. Here is a novel thought,,,,think for yourselves
The film asks " should a non-member care about the doctrine of the Mormon Church?" and my answer to that is YES. Some of us non-members were once members and we know how difficult it is to leave this fraudulent church, and we know what tenacious recruiters they are. Members are blind on purpose, chosing to say "God will prove science wrong." I truly believe the leaders of this church KNOW it is fraudulent, yet they work hard to keep people faithful to the corporation.
@riversidewatch So true, thank you for your words. You are correct it is difficult to leave this fraudulent church. It is good to realize other good people, such as you, have also found the truth and taken the hard journey to follow it. Even when it leads away from what has been imposed upon us by mormons. It is sad, but I believe without a question of a doubt that the leaders of the lds church know it is fraudulent. Just look at how hard they have tried to rewrite and spin lds history.
Abraham's original text would have been written in Sumerian. Anything else is a lie. Sumerian Is the language of the gods of the old Testament (the Anunnaki empire which was comprised of several Alien Races). The Torah, Bible and Koran are all books of slavery. Abraham actually helped "false gods" to create religions just so that they would divide us & make us easier to control. And that's the Muther fucking truth you stupid bitches!
Thank you posting this video. It's such a great example of how people, when confronted with clear, indisputable evidence that contradicts their held belief, will simply ignore the evidence.
This is pro-mormon BS. Joseph Smith was a fraud, plain and simple. How many people were killed in that little fire he set on the Nauvoo Expositor? Someone guilty of the crime today would probably get the death penalty. And given the laws in the past would have most certainly got the death penalty. He's lucky he was shot and not tortured first.
@ElGatoLoco698 Did you watch the whole film? It is NOT pro-mormon. It is a good expose' of the fact that the Book of Abraham is a fiction. And that is important because the mormon world view & so many of the mormon doctrines come from the Book of Abraham and the D&C.....and it sure exposes Joseph Smith as a man able to write fiction & willing to lie and deceive.
Any study of the "Abraham Papyrus" will leave you reeling over the sheer audacity and incompetency of Joes false creation. It's an embarrassing sham, Joe got not one glyph interpretation correct. And Champollion was known in the USA, I posted pages from "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West", 1832-35. And there were over 22,000 in circulation in 1835. In it are over 35 pagers of Champollion. You can be certain It was in Freemason libraries.
Funny AN ANGEL had to come to Joseph Smith to tell him the STORY THREE TIMES! and none of those three times agree, just read it in your own MORMON Material! Sorry not gonna figure out BOM, POGP, or D & C I have spent a lot of time on Mormonism; but not gonna learn it verse and scripture as it is not worthy it is as they say down south HOGWASH! Joseph Smith was a liar, told by the Angel not to join any Church as they were all Abominations and next month joined a Protestant Church (Methodist?)
It forgot to say Joseph & Hirum (spelling bad) died as good Myrters with SMOKING SIX GUNS IN THEIR HANDS: THEY WENT OUT IN A BLAZE OF GLORY AND NOW EXHIST IN A BLAZE OF HELL FIRE!
@flighteagles. Not to bash or anything, but I want to just inform you of errors I've found in the bible. There are thousands a's well. Even major ones. I am fluent in Spanish, obviously English, and Italian. I read the bible side by side with the languages And can guarantee you that if you were able to do the same, you would understand that when things Are translated, errors occur. The holy bible has been translated a's far a's Ebonics as far as I'm concerned and has lost that special holy t
What is partcularily sad about the fraudulent nature of the Mormon religion, it is not even CLOSE to being the goofiest. For reference, look into Jehovah Witness's, Scientology and Southern Bapist Young Earth Creationists, as examples.
(PART 2) And that is, ask of God. I KNOW that if you as of full faith of the lord and as with a sincere heart the lord will testify of the truth and miracles of his church. I know with all my heart that the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true, Joseph Smith DID see God and God spoke unto him and said: "This is my belovid son, hear him!"
@fighteaglesfight123 of mormonism. The answer I received was that this church was made up of well meaning people who have been put under the spell of a con man....joe....I know with all of my heart that the BOM was written by sydney rigden and oliver cowdry using a manuscript they had stolen from soloman spaulding. They used the glass looker joe smith to bring it to the public because of his reputation for finding buried treasures useing peep stones. Among other things, joe was a (cont)
@fighteaglesfight123 dishonest businessman, a womanizer, a polygamist and a polyanderer, a practitioner of the occult and follower of kabbalah, he was a liar, he was 32nd degree mason which has anti christian connotations, and a self righteous bigot who didn't practice what he preached. Over 3000 changes have been made to the BOM. A book that supposedly came from God. If from God, how do you account for the numerous errors that have had to be corrected. maybe you should pray more sincerely.
Joseph Smith was a free mason because most people had to belong to the mason. George Washington was a free mason too. I agree that the free mason has the anti christ connotation, but he got killed by the free mason because he went against them. We can say whatever we want, we can find any error we want on anybody. What it comes down to, it's the concept of repentance, development of virtue and of will. Elimination of addiction in any form. the practice of chastity and family unity.
because of the principles of integrity I learned from this church, I will always support the Mormon church, even if all Mormons would leave it, even if the president of the church would leave it. There is no doubt in my mind and in my heart that this Church leads people to integrity, repentance and honesty. No one can ever shake the knowledge I have of this church because it comes from my heart.
@1angeloanthony Integrity? Is this what joe smith practiced? When joe took money and property from his followers was he practicing integrity? When joe lied about his spiritual wifery was he practicing integrity. When he stole the Mason's temple ceremony that he had sworn to keep secret, was he practicing integrity? Apparently the Masons did not think so. Because you and I both know it is the Mason's that killed joe!
@eag11e His followers gave his money willingly, as I am willing to give my money to the church. The secret society of the masons and the illuminati is crushing the economy of United States and Europe with the public debt, infiltrating into our federal reserve. That's mega robbery. The temple ceremony is different from the mason ceremony. The temple ceremony is not secret, it is sacred. The mason ceremony is secret, even though any body knows about it.
@1angeloanthony When people deposited money into joe's antibank, they assumed they would be able to withdraw it with intrust in future. They did not expect him to take their money and run to another state. joe smith not only was a member of the Masons, but he was a 32nd degree member. That took some doing. joe was neck deep into the masons. mormon temple ceremony is not secret? Really, are you free to discuss it openly outside of temple? If not a secret, tell us what the signs and tokens are.
@eag11e I agree he wa 32nd degree, however he gave his life to oppose to them. He was an hero because of it. A lot of people know what we do in the temple. There are millions of ex mormons talking and explaining. You know it too. I believe you had the temple recommend and you went inside. I can tell by the way you write. You confuse respect with secret. We show respect by keeping it personal. How can it be a secret if it is already known by many people? Ask the ex-mormons. they are many. Goodbye
Joe said that the secret society of the masons and illuminati will hang our constitution on thread. However he said that we will save the constitution of America. If you want to save the constitution be more open to us and we will accept you as a brother even if you are not joining the church. This is the fight for the constitution.
We don't like plural marriage either. However there will be time when women will ask for plural marriage for protection. World war III is coming soon and there will be a lot of woman with not protection. We have no addiction, we avoid masturbation like we avoid poison. We avoid pornography and any other addictive sexual habit. I make love to my wife once in while because she comes to me and she wants affection. That's who we are. That's what Joe Smith taught us. Thanks to him
@1angeloanthony you say you do not like plural marriage, and yet your founding prophets practiced it! "WW3 is coming soon"? Is this what they are teaching now in the mormon church? Why does a woman need to be married to you for you to protect her? Can you not protect your women without having to drag them into your bed? joe smith taught you to avoid pornography and masturbation? Wow, that is a new one. I guess his intercourse with 33 women didn't leave him time for looking at smut?
@eag11e The church is not saying anything about WWIII. Just check what is going on with the governments.
I know where I stand with my family. My wife hates plural marriage, and I can understand it. I will respect her wish. You are not discussing the issues anymore, you are using sarcasm to answer back. That is disrespectful. that is why I can't talk to you anymore.
@1angeloanthony I need to ask, since I live in southern Utah, are you a polygamist? You don't talk like a usual mormon, but rather a fundamentalist. And as a woman, I look around and see more men relying on their wife's (wives's) salary (ies) (as second or more income) than I see stay-at-home needy women. ....and I am speaking of main mormons, fundamentalist mormons, and non-mormons.
@1angeloanthony As a person who once once said the things you now say , I hope you will pause and reflect on this: all that is Christian and good in mormonism can be found in Christian churches. All that is UNIQUE to mormonism is unChristian and disconcerting! Jesus of the Doctrine and Covenants bears little resemblance to the Jesus of the New Testament of the Bible.
@riversidewatch What is different about Jesus in D&C than the Jesus in the Bible? Several hundred times have researchers and historians have searched for inconsistancies but are unable to find any, but how can you stand there and say that Jesus is different in D&C? Know why they are different, because first of all, Jesus isn't even in the Doctrine and Covenants.
@phantomfn8 Thank you for your response. I was always taught that the Lord in the D&C was Jesus. D&C Chapter 1 begins with "His voice". He is severe and destructive in the D&C, yet understanding, loving, forgiving in the New Testament (and teaches in parables , that people might be able to hear the message). If you think the "Lord" of the D&C is not Jesus, but Heavenly Father, well, who has seen One has seen the Other, so similar are They, correct? D&C is a work of deception also.
@1angeloanthony Is this what joe smith practiced? Chastity? And family unity? Which of the 33 wives that he took did he practice family unity with? He treated Emma so well, that she attempted to poisen joe at least twice. Is this the family unity of which you speak? Development of virtue? Didn't joe take the Virtue of young women away from them? your words at face value seem uplifting. But, the horrible reality behind them speaks of hypocracy!
@eag11e there is not hypocrisy in what we do. We work hard to maintain our families. We struggle as you do to pay our bills. We are suffering the crush of the economy. However we endure and don't give up. That's what we learn from the church. Joe taught plural marriage, however we practice only one wife. We learn to respect her, and we learn patience. and we learn to be faithful to her. We don't look at other women, we don't do any addictive sexual thing that's destructive.
@1angeloanthony joe smith your founder and prophet told women that an angel had commanded him to marry them. If polygamy is a commandment of God, why did joe then lie to public and deny being a polygamist? Also, why would God command someone to marry another living Mans wife? That seems immoral. joe did this at least 7 times. Why do you not practice this commandment joe received. Do you think God would give a commandment and then change his mind? If so why? This is a problem for lds.
@eag11e there is not change of mind. Poligamy is going to be available when needed, not for intercourse. Joseph Smith did not marry another man's wife. We can say anything about anybody. We can manipulate any truth to our wish. That's the truth. Good luck, sir.
@1angeloanthony you say joe smith did not marry another mans wife? Yet: in 1838 joe married Lucinda M. Harris. She was already married to George Harris. In 1841 joe married Zina Jacobs she was already married to Henry Jacobs. In 1841 joe married Presenda Buell she was already married to Norman Buell. In 1842 joe married Sylvia Lyon she was already married to Windsor Lyon. In 1842 joe married Mary Lightner she was already married to Adam Lightner. In 1842 joe married Patty Sessions (cont)
@1angeloanthony she was already married to David Sessions. In 1842 joe married Miranda Hyde she was already married to Orsan Hyde (one of joes trusted apostles). In 1842 joe married Elizabeth Durfee she was already married to Jabez Durfee. In 1842 joe married Sara Clevland she was already married to John Clevland. In 1843 joe married Ruth Sayers she was already married to Edward Sayers. In 1843 joe married Elvira Holmes she was already married to Johnaton Holmes. All of these (cont)
Respond to this video... All of these Husbands were living at the time joe married their wives. Think of how horrible they felt. Think of the betrayal not only of their wives but of their prophet who shamlessly took their wives for his own purposes. He was lucky the Masons killed him before these Husbands got together and took care of it themselves. When I read the story of some of these women, written in their own hand. It made me sick to my stomach. Do not speak of mormons and morality.
@1angeloanthony It is nice you point out to viewers that the PRINCIPLE of polygamy was never recended by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The practice was revoked when it was that or lose the financial assets of the church. As I watch the pathetic practices of Warren Jeffs and the fundamentalist Mormons, I am so reminded of Joseph Smith!! If the "restoration" occurred as Mormons claim, why all the change, cover-up, change, lies that the modern Mormon church does? Why morph?
@jeanniem76 Yes, it is amazing that the "word of God" would have to be changed so many times. But, I have come to realize it wasn't the word of God after all. It was written by flawed men with an agenda. I bet it is interesting to see an original copy and what it actually said.....:)
@eag11e # 1, he wasn't a businessman, he was the child of a poor farmer...#2, being a poor farmer boy, he could not have been a mason, and there are several mason's who are actually extremely devout Christians...#3, no changes have been made to the book of Mormon except for joining it to the Bible and adding cross-references. If you have any problems with anything I said, give me good, solid, hard proof.
@phantomfn8 I will do your research for you this time. There is a feature on your computer called google. you can google any of the subjects you broached and you will find the answer you seek. But, I will humor you this time. #1 you say joe smith was not a businessman. joe smith attempted to open a bank in Kirtland, Ohio. He could not obtain a charter, so he formed the Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company in 1836. In 1837 it failed, joe was fined, and many mormons lost (cont)
@phantomfn8 all of their savings. Many mormons left the church over the dishonest business practices associated with this "anti-bank". Also, joe smith owned a red brick dry goods store in Navuoo. A place where joe could relieve fellow mormons of their "burdens and money." #2 you say joe could not have been a mason. joe smith not only was a mason, but he was a 32nd degree mason! He was initiated into masonry in 1842.(History of the Church,, Deseret Book, 1978, Vol.4, Ch.32, p.550-1)(cont)
@phantomfn8 #3 you day there have been no changes to the book of mormon. In fact there have been over 3000 changes to the book of mormon! Some of the significant changes can be found here: saintsalivecom resourcelibrary mormonism significant-changes-in-the-book-of-mormon. I agree he started a poor farmer who also was a treasure seeker for hire. If you have any problems with anything I have said, give me good, solid, hard proof, of your counter argument!
(PART 1) Listen people, if This church had proof of the Gold plates and the truthness of it then faith of this church would be worth nothing. God doesnt want us basing faith on proof but he wants us basing faith on his writings. And you can go back into history as much as you want and look for proof of mormanism but i believe that there is only one way of knowing what is true.
@fighteaglesfight123 Pretty convenient argument. you do not have the gold plates so you make truthfulness be about faith. LOL, the type of logic manipulators use. Why not base Faith on Faith, and base Truth on Truth. I guess that would not be so convenient for your argument. If your faith is based on not having the plates....Then why did God give them to joe in the first place? How about that? I have, as you say, prayed, asked of God with a sincere heart about the truthfulness (cont).
I feel like that guy and his wife at the end...Similar thing just happened to me yesterday. I just started writing down all of the anomalies and unanswered questions and boom. I am so happy to live in a time where we have access to free information and can share ideas to improve our own theories and beliefs.
@zcxvasdfqwer1234 Good for you. It is a journey out of mormonism, which is why ex-mormons are ostracized: they cause people to think & read outside the box. And that leads to "apostasy"!! It takes so much courage to challenge your own faith after you have borne witness of it while relying on emotion instead of on truths. However, one can be totally truthful about one's emotion while all the time the gut and mind are uneasy about this reliance on emotion as a guiding force in one's life.
I would feel totally violated if I discovered my beliefs to be a fraud. But common sense is all it takes to see through what J.S. was trying to do. The sad thing is, the Mormons are actually very nice people, and very dedicated to what they believe. They need to continue their lifestyle, but apply the Truth to their views of Jesus and God. Joseph Smith was not who they think he was. I'm sorry, but when I was a child, they told me santa claus was real. I just had to face the facts.
motordale 3 hours ago
Archaeology and Biblical scholarship tells us that there is absolutely no archaeological evidence for what the Bible says until and including Solomon. So..., no Solomon's temple (the so called "First temple"), no Solomon's kingdom (the so called "united monarchy"), nothing about the Jews ever been at Egypt, no Abraham, and no Adam and Eve.
So..., those Mormons say they found a book written by Abraham and in Egyptian hieroglyphics? Well, then, let us see it. Where is it?
Case closed.
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Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were 33rd degree Freemasons. Joseph Smith was codifying Freemasonry and putting a thin Christian vail on it. That's why Freemasons killed him.
VincenzoB81 1 week ago
The Book of Abraham Itself: Composition, Rhetorical Style, and Biblical Form
Of the five chapters that make up the Book of Abraham, 4 and 5 parallel Genesis 1:1 - 31 and 2:1 - 20. Polemicists often focus on these chapters and only these to make a case for plagiarism
kramd1 2 weeks ago
"Smith’s publication of the Book of Abraham in 1842 coincided with his investiture as a Master Mason; his Egyptian grammar can be seen as a template for something Masonic." E. Cecil McGavin
kramd1 2 weeks ago
To eag11e, relax, we're all related. And if they are wrong, whats the bother? If you believe all you hear from your whomever, you have an issue to worry more about. Smile, it improves your face value, and say something nice.
thelion1944 2 weeks ago
@thelion1944 Let's see I will say the nicest things I can say about joe smith. He was a con artist. He was a Liar, He was a fraud, He was a glass looker, he practiced the occult. He was immoral, He perpetrated a bank scam. He stole other people's property. He was an adulterer. He shot 3 men point blank. He hired a hit man to kill Gov. Willburn Boggs. Well, I better stop now. Those are the nicest things I can say about joe. The rest of what I can say about him will not be very nice....:)
eag11e 2 weeks ago 5
If the Mormons are wrong, why worry? What's the big deal in all this. I think every protests too much. It's all very curious.
thelion1944 2 weeks ago
@thelion1944 It is not curious. The mormons are wrong! Why would God need to use a con artist, adulterer and fraud to usher in his last dispensation of the fullness of times? It is obvious, He wouldn't. Don't you have some genealogy you should be doing?
eag11e 2 weeks ago 4
The Abraham Papyrus is an absurd fraud and easily disproved. An embarrassment to the Hierarchy . This joke is what Joe conjured up out of his perception of Real Egyptian. He was wrong 100% of the time! Statistically significant but in the wrong direction. So, how much error is there in the Book of Mormon, translated from non existent "reformed" Egyptian for which not a scintilla of evidence exists. And translated with the plates outside and his head in his hat with his pet rock!?
IExposeMormonism 2 weeks ago
Over & over... Mormons will stand by their feelings about the accuracy of things they're told in church... Often at 180 degree odds to irrefutable Evidence.
I like this analogy: Suppose a dear friend of yours called & told you s/he won a six-seven-or perhaps eight figure lotto... Wouldn't your feeling go Overboard for your friend? How Wonderful!
But then, friend calls you back and says... It was a hoax; I didn't really win anything...
Who Wouldn't feel cheated?
amarkanders777 3 weeks ago
Mormons cling to Smith's book of Abraham even tho it is known fake translation. So too is the Book of Mormon a fictional tale that is bereft of evidence . For that mormon enlist to pay 10% of income to LDS inc.
kramd1 1 month ago 3
@kramd1 I suspect some of them know it's bullshit and pay up, anyway.
toxoid 3 weeks ago
@toxoid J.Smith's book of Abraham failed translation remains doctrinal = "plan of salvation" the purpose of life resembling more altered Kabbalah teachings.
10% temple membership fee is not a donation. LDS are required to pay this to renew their temple going membership.
tithing is a cash cow for LDS inc.
kramd1 2 weeks ago 5
@kramd1 Yes, and now I read that with all of this required tithing....the mormons are going to build a 1 Billion Dollar shopping Mall in salt lake city, Utah. Nice use of the Lords money! And, I have to cringe everytime I see a poor person or someone suffering. And, these mormons won't help them with all of this money they have taken from their flock.
eag11e 2 weeks ago 4
@kramd1 It must be nice for mormon inc. to get to enjoy the benefit of not having to pay taxes on their many business investments.
eag11e 2 weeks ago 2
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Many so-called facts in this video are way off the mark. One example, Joseph Smith did not establish a bank, but others did. He has been accused of establishing a bank, but facts of that day differ from those that continue to falsify that fact. Oh, there are a number of other completely off-the-wall facts, so if someone wanted to know them, they ought to not figure on getting them from this video. But if someone wanted to read that Book of Abraham, they would find it very interesting.
thelion1944 1 month ago
@thelion1944 Yes, joe's banking venture did not fare well. Wilford Woodruff, mormon prophet, describes how joe had a vision to start a bank. joe sent oliver cowdry to get a license from the legislature. But, they did not grant it. So joe formed an anti-bank rather than a bank. And, proceeded without a banking certificate. It is estimated the Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company lost between $25000 and $33000. Allot of money in that time. joe was fined $1000 and had to flee Ohio!
eag11e 1 month ago 18
@thelion1944 His signature is on the bank notes
IExposeMormonism 2 weeks ago 11
This is hilarious. This religion used to ban Africans from serving in the church and their whole system is supposedly based on African writings and African artifacts...
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GagnezTV 1 month ago 3
Galatians 1:8-9
mormonism & islam are Accursed according to the Holy Bible
gfscarface13 1 month ago
why should the dude have a jackle head. What if it was another dude trying to kill abraham on the same type of alter.???wtf
jaybeefun 1 month ago
@jaybeefun what if you have no clue what you are talking about? what if the egyptologists have degrees?
JayBrew391 1 month ago
You know what is amazing? Theists capacity to utterly ignore fact. It doesn't matter how many times you prove their religion is horseshit, they will go right on thinking they have the answers. Then they wonder why the religious carry the stereotype that they are all morons? Theists, you are embarrassing.
emperor0013 1 month ago
Throw out the baby and the bath water. I wanted to send this to a close relative. That fucking ending is bullshit! Please just present the fucking facts. Don't throw in the theist argument. Let people decide for themselves. The ending seems to encourage to exchange the Mormon flavor of bullshit with a Christian flavor of bullshit that has had time to age. When you add a Christian twist to your ending you discredit all of your research. Mormons will immediately discredit the whole piece.
beaufordslyone 1 month ago 3
@beaufordslyone Thank you for saving me some time. I wanted to learn about the real Joseph Smith but the results I always get are either Mormon propaganda or shitty Christian Apologetic videos aimed at Mormons Lol
MrBakura91 1 month ago
@beaufordslyone I know! That ending was awful. I'm an exmormon atheist because leaving the church taught me how to see through fallacious arguments. It didn't hurt my ability to trust; it refined it. I put my trust in EVIDENCE now.
jenifaui 1 month ago
I know that this CHURCH is TRUE and that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior I say this in the name of thy son Jesus Christ AMEN ! ! ! ! :-)
gravehunter73 1 month ago
@gravehunter73 Which prophet was true and which lied? joe smith stated he never practiced polygamy! brigham young taught that joe smith did practice polygamy. Which prophet was true? which lied? Which of the several versions of the first vision are true? The one joe smith wrote? or the one your church recognizes that it wrote? Which version of the papyrus is true? joe smith's version which is the book of mormon. Or the translation by Egyptoligists that state it is funeral instructions? AMEN
eag11e 1 month ago
@eag11e correction: book of abraham
eag11e 1 month ago
@gravehunter73 Don't your dare try to speak in Christ's name when you know nothing of him. You worship a man who married 14 year old girls and was a man whore.
twoclose2call 1 month ago
@gravehunter73 That is great. maybe someday if you endure to the end, you can become a God and have thousands you wives you can bang on a daily basis to create your own earth. Good for you!!
twoclose2call 1 month ago
@gravehunter73 lol keep grasping at those straws.
Darknizzle 1 month ago
@gravehunter73 you dont know jack. do some research that doesnt have the church's almighty stamp on it.
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bortelliM 1 month ago
have you ever read the book of mormon makes no sense , sounds like hog wash.. paints them the 13th lost tribe than the 12th tribes of hebrews.. come on.. these were racist white's of that time ..the whole point about mormons these earlyer followers believe this joseph smith to be holy . blindin these people from the true teaches of jesus . he's been burnin in hell since then ..
rickynelson12 1 month ago
do we really need to disapprove mormon religion,,,really
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CounterCultureLives 2 months ago
Momonism is nothing more than racism towards non-"white and delightsome men" with heresy and blasphemy against the God of the Bible.
JohnD24x7 2 months ago
Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! JoD 1:50 p.51 Brigham Young, April 9, 1852
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken - HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do.
JohnD24x7 2 months ago
@JohnD24x7 Very well put! The Adam/God doctrine brigham young taught is almost as bizarre as his visions of men living on the moon and sun.
eag11e 2 months ago
JoD 1:50 p.51 Brigham Young, April 9, 1852
Our God and Father in heaven, is a being of tabernacle, or, in other words, He has a body, with parts the same as you and I have.. His son Jesus Christ has become a personage of tabernacle, and has a body like his father.
JohnD24x7 2 months ago
D&C Section 130: Items of instruction given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Ramus, Illinois, 2 April 1843
1 When the Savior shall aappear we shall see him as he is. We shall see that he is a man like ourselves.
B.oM 2 Nephi 2:23, 25
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
JohnD24x7 2 months ago
To all those mormos who would like to "Hie to Kolob" guess what you follow the teachings of uneducated con men. JS and BY are the cornerstones of this man made hoax passed for a religion. In all likelyhood 90% of mormos don't have a clue what their religion teaches. Because for them simply showing up on Sunday to "church" with their KJV and BoM tucked under their arm is good enough so they don't care and are willingly ignorant of what it's really all about.
JohnD24x7 2 months ago
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@CounterCultureLives LOL, I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair.......:)
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CounterCultureLives 2 months ago
Look at all the "dislikes" on this video. This video's evidence is CONCLUSIVE. Get over it already. It disgusts me how people will cling to whatever they want to believe, no matter how obvious the falsehood of the belief is. Joseph Smith was a con man, plain and simple.
Hannsfeld 2 months ago
'papkelseys' below says something amazing.
Even with absolutely incontrovertible evidence right in front of him, he's going to keep his eyes tightly shut.
Once eyes are shut -at least for some- they stay shut forever.
thesignsoflife7 2 months ago
@thesignsoflife7 Yes, he has blinded himself to the Truth! This is what happens in a "cult". They ensare you and drag you in. you begin to accept what they tell you, even if it is Lies. Things become blurred, Truths appear to be Lies, and Lies are passed off as truths. But, he can escape, it is up to him. He need only open his eyes!
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We can only hope and pray.
thesignsoflife7 2 months ago
I like the last sentence: Apparently they never will". Yeah, thats right. Spiritual matters are only unfolded spiritualy to those who want to know the truth. Being a PHD in Egyptology doesnt mean that you know anything about ancient religion and practices... You dont need to be a educated person to see the lack of understanding about God's dealing with his sons and daughters in the eyes of a few gentlemen here in this documentary. Once you acquired a testimony from God, It will last forever.
papakelseys 2 months ago
@papakelseys So is it your "testimony" that the book of abraham is an Egyptian record of how to conduct a funeral, as most experts describe the papyrus. Or is it a completely different account, an account of abraham written in his own hand, in reformed egyptian ( whatever that is)?
eag11e 2 months ago
@eag11e Yes! its an account of Abraham in Egyptian about something diferent than it is described here in this documentary... Its not my testimony though...
papakelseys 2 months ago
@papakelseys You trust an anaesthesiologist to administer the right dose so as not to wake up during surgery, and a mechanic to fix your brakes, but not a PHD in Egyptology. Having this much cognitive dissonance is its own punishment.
thealchemist1111 2 months ago
@thealchemist1111 : hmmm... and.... you didnt tell me anything solid till now...
papakelseys 1 month ago
It is so sad, that many was mislead by this one man. God has said, nothing is hidden that will not be reveal. Joseph Smith was con period. Mormon church is still lying to their member, There is no security with this cult & faults religion. They won't ever tell the truth, they have too much money in stake that is sad. But we must pray for them, at least like those couples left. May more people in that church wake up to their lies and get out. They are leading them to Hell...
sungmee45 3 months ago
I wished they would have shown this film in primary! Instead, all I got was the adventures of 'Johnny Lingo'. Which "dark-skinned" lamanite was he related too?
josephsmithwashere 3 months ago
@josephsmithwashere Hahaha, I had the same experience in primary. But, I forgot how many pigs was johnny lingos wife worth? ROFL?
eag11e 3 months ago
Actually, Johnny Lingo's wife was an eight cow woman. I see mormon continual evolving history has again taught us different. But my LDS family twisted this idea as eight wives to one cow-headed priesthood holder.
josephsmithwashere 3 months ago
@josephsmithwashere LOL, yes an 8 cow woman. Now that's what I'm talking about. Nice, 8 wives (victims) to each cow headed priesthood holder. Great! I almost fell off of my chair laughing......:)
eag11e 3 months ago
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The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty,liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke,The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back, and a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Guti rule.Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians, Badawy notes,The Akkadian dynasty (2350-2150 BC) marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia,a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC)
goran21715 3 months ago
ht tp : / / en . wiki pedia . org / wiki / Book _ o f_ Abraham
Just remove the spaces until you get a valid URL.
Thanks
hammerogod 4 months ago
I have this one on DVD, it's pretty good.
humanistheart 4 months ago
I think South park put it best, but beeing a loving person, if you want to find out, just watch the episode your self ;P
MultiDeze 4 months ago
Any mormon who thinks they will reach a non mormon by slandering the truth viciously, is deceived. Arrogance, and Lies are not the way! Keep the negative comments to yourself, but speak with Love, and tell Truth. That is all!
eag11e 4 months ago
Anyone who thinks they will reach a mormon by slandering their faith viciously, is deceived. Love is the only way! Keep the negative comments to yourself, but talk about the beauty of Christ and that He is the only thing you need! That is all!
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
everyone search for >>mormon lady went to hell<< here on youtube and hear the testimony of white woman who said that she died in the hospital and went to hell and saw her family members and friends who had died before her. she said that they were shouting at her and telling her to go back and leave the mormon church that it is a demonic religion created by satan to bring people to hell and many more. she came back to life and left the mormon church. help to spread the video testimony
manche44 4 months ago
The truth about the book of Abraham comes from the inspired message. It does not matter what triggers a prophet to inquire of the Lord or what method the Lord uses to communicate with the prophets. When Moses was charged to demonstrate the power of God with a staff, do we scrutinize the staff or study the miracles? No serious investigation of the Book of Abraham can be complete without studying it's wondrous message, applying the principles in faith, and asking God in sincere prayer.
TheBandSecretary 4 months ago
@TheBandSecretary Good brother, I read your words of having faith. I would that you may draw closer to the Lord. I have found a stone, even a stone whence placed within my "old white hat", I can peer in and see the things I should see. Even wondrous things even things pertaining to you and the gaining of much treasure if it be the Lords will. Now, brother will you make a contribution? Send your life savings, that the Lord's work may continue! Also send photos of your wife and daughters. (cont)
eag11e 4 months ago
@TheBandSecretary as the Lord may have purpose for them in his Kingdom. We are exploring practice of polygamy and polyandry. This that the woman may be sanctified in my name for attainment of the highest kingdom. Now, don't be full of worry or fear. The Lord has given you much, now is the time to show your faith and give back to the Lord what is his. The Lord would desire you convert your material possessions to cash, US Dollar. And send proceeds immediately. your reward will be in heaven!
eag11e 4 months ago
@TheBandSecretary Surely ONLY a serious investigation of the Book of Abraham would be complete WITHOUT recourse to appealing to some supernatural authority. Seeing as the translation is actually false anyway if someone is claiming they have received spiritual confirmation of it being true we can easily see they are deceived.
bossendenwoodconvict 4 months ago
Even if you discover for yourself that the Mormon Church is not true, you will always know that you have Christ, and He is all that matters! This is why you must build upon Him! He has given you a promise that if you follow Him and have faith He will Save you! You don't need ordinances and laws in order to be justified, just complete faith in His Son Jesus Christ of whom I am in debt forever and whose name I will praise forever because of His infinite love!
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
I promise you, any Mormon listening, that if you rely upon Christ completely you will be able to listen to all points of view with an open heart, and He will give you strength. Because as long as you lean on Him with full purpose of heart as you seek out truth, He will not let you fall. You will find that your relationship with Him will be strengthened and you will feel the absolute need for Him as you learn more about the Mormon church history. He is what you must build your foundation upon!
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
Thank you for putting such a fair and balanced video on this topic out there. To Mormon's, of which I used to be, please just rely upon Christ and His Righteousness and His finished work completely for your salvation. He freed us from having to live up to the perfect standard and the beauty is that we will have His Righteousness imputed on our behalf if we will but believe on Him alone for our Salvation and Love one Another! You don't need a religion, you just need Christ and He will save you!
paulbunyan2435 4 months ago
joe smith was convicted in 1826 of fraud in the case of treasure seeking for hire. joe had a "peep" stone he would put into his hat and then claimed to peer into it and find treasure. This was called glass looking at the time. He couldn't find the treasure and was taken to court and found guilty. Yes, he was a con man indeed. He also started a bank in Kirtland Ohio, from which he defrauded countless people. He was a well documented womanizer and practiced the occult.
eag11e 4 months ago
...............This is so unbelievable, dont really care usually about religion ,They all lie but this tripped me out because the religion is so big and famous. .... Can it all be based on a con-man??..........................keepin this tab open awhile to see comments.................................pt 1, rebuttal to Lost Book of Abraham, by a faithful LDS is title to rebuttle video
chris62468 4 months ago
................This is so unbelievable, dont really care usually about religion ,They all lie but this tripped me out because the religion is so big and famous. .... Can it all be based on a con-man??..........................keepin this tab open awhile to see comments
chris62468 4 months ago
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lol the church has a rebuttal video to this have you seen it? It's pretty long. The tab is open haven't had timre to read yret.......... like i said in my my comment 4 days ago ............. . I'm Curious If the Church and the members will insult me by trying to justify or explain J. Smith's Lie?.... I found a responsed i haven't heard it yet but looks like they DID NOT admit it?? jeeze
chris62468 4 months ago
When Jan Shipp says "Text, Text, Text" it drives nails of truth into the casket of Mormonism. All the text is trash. Lies. Not errors, they're lies. J. Smith knew he was a liar. And if he can't get the text right in REAL Egyptian what's that do the the supposed authenticity and complete lack of evidence for "Reformed Egyptian".? Add in an old white hat, a pet rock and some really big glasses and you have the Book of Mormon fraud. Delusional. how many frauds does one need?
IExposeMormonism 5 months ago
@ilreput1 Thanks for talking with me. I am gona leave this tab open.( I am Newbie and just started reading comments on Youtube 3 days ago so not sure how it works to keep updated)
chris62468 5 months ago
Can you suggest some unbiased video's that honestly explain the basics of the various religions? What would you call me ? People ask. I have no clue how to catagorize my belifs in a simple statement. By the way i could not begin to guess your Beliefs. Your articulation is so unbiased. I Totally appreciate and respect that. Whatever they are you are an asset to your Church or Religion if you even have one. You may just be a scholar.:)
chris62468 5 months ago
Thanks I would love to conversate with you. You seem to have really studied the religions. I haven't. From what I have seen and experienced they are so judgemental to other beleif systems. The threat of hell and your soul Is ridiculous. I have no tolerance for that. Mormanism as you explain the creation blows my mind. Does any R include the ancient archeology ie Egypt, Sumar?
chris62468 5 months ago
What would I be IF I thought Jesus was A MAN but regarded him as our best Humanitarian and one who obtaind Absolute Highest level of spirit perhaps Supernatural. But Do not Like the Religion or many things in Bible. Jesus' words are the only thing good about Christianity.The 10 comndmts ok The Golden Rule rocks. Hipocrisy runs rampant throughChristianity,. I Do like the compassion, enlightenment, nature, free will, energy, science etc philosophies All R's has a bit. And Many demigods 1 Creator.
chris62468 5 months ago
Agree until- if we live by their doctrine - whose,mormans? then that sucks( I believe ALL CAN) christians beleive he was God?- ALL Do? all non-Christians don't.- Who are they? Most other religions have no knowledge of him-. What R's?s? Ithougt the major ones had high regard for him Some doubt he was an actual person- Which R's are those? as tangible as The Book of Mormon - no proof.- Don't understand statement.
I do understand Islam
Ty@ilruput Want to know differences. I Hate the Hate
chris62468 5 months ago
@chris62468 The word Christ means "redeemer", "saviour". To be a christian you have to believe Jesus was the Christ. You can have an appreciation of the "teachings of Jesus" and not believe he was God. I don't believe Jesus was a real person.
ilreput1 4 months ago
@ilreput1 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who is God and who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. (Philippians 2:5-6)
mrcdhn 4 months ago
Mesopotamia developes a one god theory, Judaism borrows it and some myths, Christianity borrows Judaism and gives God a son, Mormonism borrows Christianity and gives it an American connection, and on it goes.
ilreput1 5 months ago
@ilreput1 mormonism claims to be christian, however, they teach polytheism or more than one God. While main stream Christianity teaches monotheism or one God only.
eag11e 5 months ago
@eag11e Main stream Christianity teaches polytheism masquerading as monotheism. God has a son and a holy spirit, an anti-god called The Devil, and in some branches of Christianity he has a Queen of Heaven and many saints to pray to. Judaism is a monotheistic religion. Christianity is misinterpreted Judaism with the added pagan idea of God having a son.
ilreput1 4 months ago
@ilreput1 You say Jesus is a lie,and not God,Joe smith was an occultist who was visited by a demon,and not an angel,You really need to find the truth ,and i hope you do because to say that God never sent his only son to die for our sin's and denying the cross will not be forgiven.The sad thing is morminism is just over 200 years old or something.Btw there is no mention of this moroni angel in the bible and joe smith was a stone mason a occult group who you may know as the illuminati.
TheKith88 3 months ago
@TheKith88 The story of Jesus is an invention of the Roman church based on Greek and Persian myths and is as credible as gold plates. 2000 years doesn't make it more believeable than something only 200 years old. Christianity is hijacked Judaism. I don't believe a Jesus ever lived and even if part of it is based on a real person, he wasn't God. God having a son is from pagan religions. Monotheism means one god, not one with a son born of an earth woman; that would be Zeus and Apollo.
ilreput1 3 months ago
@ilreput1 your confused,there are not only biblical records of Jesus but historical records of Jesus life and death on the cross,The only un pardonable sin is unbelief .
TheKith88 3 months ago
@TheKith88 2 questionable references to Yehoshua in Josephus' History of the Jews, written 60 years after the supposed incident. There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus during his supposed lifetime. Thallus supposedly mentions the name in 52AD but no written record of this exists before 221AD. Jesus is an invention like Moroni. Great that you can supress reason enough to believe in a son of God, but I never will.
ilreput1 3 months ago
@ilreput1 you might want to read the prophecies in the OLD testament about the messiah and son of God ,Jesus is every where in the Old testament,he is the word,read Isaiah 53,just to name one and you tell me who he is talking about ,btw the Old testament was written way before catholosism was even thought of.
TheKith88 3 months ago
@TheKith88 The Torah was written before Catholicism, the Old Testament is not the same thing. The Jew's Messiah is not Jesus, because he fulfills none of the prophecies. You think the race who wrote the Torah wouldn't recognize the real Messiah? Monotheism is one God, not 3. The Messiah was never going to be the son of God that's a blasphemous idea. No Jew would proclain such a thing. Jesus is a lie.
ilreput1 3 months ago
@ilreput1 The Torah is the first 5 books that Moses wrote,you think i don't know what the Torah or think i have not read it genesis,exodus,leviticus,numbers,and deuteronomy ,read them over and over,in gen 1-26 "let US make man in OUR image,after OUR likeness?who do you think the "OUR" and "US" is?God is one God,but just like we as humans have a spirit and a physical body and our emotions and will control what we do ,it is the same with God.Jesus is the Physical manifestation of what God would
TheKith88 3 months ago
@ilreput1 look like,and of course the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.And we as Christians believe that God the Father is the will and emotions of God That is the best way that I can explain it 3 persons ,1 God,Our minds just cannot comprehend fully how God works and i don't intend to even try.
TheKith88 3 months ago
@TheKith88 You use the same logic of "our" and "us" to cover your trinity that Mormons use to cover their idea of many gods. God will never take on human form, the idea belongs to pagan religions. The Roman gods had sons with earth women. There is only one God and he doesn't make earth women pregnant with his children, nor does he visit earth disguised as a man. You will never convince me the Vatican had any more credibility when it formed the New Testament, than Joseph Smith.
ilreput1 3 months ago
@ilreput1 Well,if u want to limit God ,thats your choice,gl to u ,and God bless!
TheKith88 3 months ago
@ilreput1 I am praying for you. You believe in historical fact, right? Why would other historians from the same era as when Jesus lived, attest to His existence? This isn't just a Biblical source, these are outside sources, what would they have to gain? The Bible also warns of these very comments, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, ...and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. - Colossians 2:8-9. Immanuel, God with us. Mat 1:23
tinman5322 3 months ago
@TheKith88 To deny something you first have to believe it happened, I'm not denying the cross, I'm saying Jesus never lived. It's great that you believe in it, but it's no more believeable than Mormonism.
ilreput1 3 months ago
What do Mormans believe regarding Jesus?
Which Religions believe Jesus was a Man vs GOD?
Will This Question Stir-Up The Pot TOO MUCH? or start a respectful debate?
chris62468 5 months ago
@chris62468 Momons believe that Jesus is a seperate God unto himself and that each of us can become a God if we live by their doctrine. All Christian religions believe Jesus was God, all non-Christians don't. Islam believe Jesus was a prophet. Most other religions have no knowledge of him. Some doubt he was an actual person, as tangible as The Book of Mormon - no proof.
ilreput1 5 months ago
@chris62468 For one thing, the mormon prophet brigham young taught the "Adam, God Doctrine". In this he teaches that Adam is Micheal the Ark Angel, and that Adam and Jehova are 2 lessor Gods to Elohim. In this doctrine, Elohim directs Adam and Jehova to create the world and they do. Then a council of Gods decides that Adam should be the God of this world. So brigham teaches Adam is the God of the bible and this world. He goes on to teach Adam is the literal father of Jesus!
eag11e 5 months ago
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chris62468 5 months ago
Reading the comments and can still justify My statement Below " I Don't like Religion (Manipulates and thinks for you) . I love Each and Every Persons beliefs IF in Unconditional Love, Truth, and Kindness."
BUT WILL ADD: Religion causes Hate and Chaos and War and Division and Competition and Violence and Intolerance and................. Religion Is Evil.
chris62468 5 months ago
OOHP !! BUSTED! Lol . There is no way ANY person can explain away this Fraud. No way to even correct the record except to admit it. It was the EGYPTION BOOK OF THE DEAD NOT THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM. A Major Religion based on a Con-Man. WOW I Don't like Religion(Manipulates and thinks for you) . I love Each and Every Persons beliefs IF in Unconditional Love, Truth, and Kindness. I'm Curious If the Church and the members will insult me by trying to justify or explain J. Smith's Lie?
chris62468 5 months ago 2
false what a supprise but yet Christians and catholics etc still believe in something that is nothing more but a story told by others that can not be refuted because there is no proof one way or the other. Here is a novel thought,,,,think for yourselves
ZanyIntellect 5 months ago 2
The film asks " should a non-member care about the doctrine of the Mormon Church?" and my answer to that is YES. Some of us non-members were once members and we know how difficult it is to leave this fraudulent church, and we know what tenacious recruiters they are. Members are blind on purpose, chosing to say "God will prove science wrong." I truly believe the leaders of this church KNOW it is fraudulent, yet they work hard to keep people faithful to the corporation.
riversidewatch 5 months ago
@riversidewatch So true, thank you for your words. You are correct it is difficult to leave this fraudulent church. It is good to realize other good people, such as you, have also found the truth and taken the hard journey to follow it. Even when it leads away from what has been imposed upon us by mormons. It is sad, but I believe without a question of a doubt that the leaders of the lds church know it is fraudulent. Just look at how hard they have tried to rewrite and spin lds history.
eag11e 5 months ago
People need to watch this video also..... and get the REAL TRUTH.
youtube dot com /watch?v=v9N56ziFVFU
And read these links......
home . comcast . net/~michael.rhodes/TheLostBookofAbraham.pdf
fairlds . org/pubs/LBOA.pdf
ida . net/graphics/shirtail/lostbook.htm
leeuniverse 5 months ago
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leeuniverse 5 months ago
watch?v=vwCbQk3QobU
bronxboyXXX 5 months ago
Abraham's original text would have been written in Sumerian. Anything else is a lie. Sumerian Is the language of the gods of the old Testament (the Anunnaki empire which was comprised of several Alien Races). The Torah, Bible and Koran are all books of slavery. Abraham actually helped "false gods" to create religions just so that they would divide us & make us easier to control. And that's the Muther fucking truth you stupid bitches!
bronxboyXXX 5 months ago
Thank you posting this video. It's such a great example of how people, when confronted with clear, indisputable evidence that contradicts their held belief, will simply ignore the evidence.
cpqarray 5 months ago
this video is buuuuuuuuulllllllshit!
wonnthree 5 months ago
@wonnthree Which part of it do you disagree with and why? Please explain, I am willing to be enlightened.
bossendenwoodconvict 5 months ago
This is pro-mormon BS. Joseph Smith was a fraud, plain and simple. How many people were killed in that little fire he set on the Nauvoo Expositor? Someone guilty of the crime today would probably get the death penalty. And given the laws in the past would have most certainly got the death penalty. He's lucky he was shot and not tortured first.
ElGatoLoco698 6 months ago
@ElGatoLoco698 Did you watch the whole film? It is NOT pro-mormon. It is a good expose' of the fact that the Book of Abraham is a fiction. And that is important because the mormon world view & so many of the mormon doctrines come from the Book of Abraham and the D&C.....and it sure exposes Joseph Smith as a man able to write fiction & willing to lie and deceive.
riversidewatch 5 months ago
just another nut job ! and their followers too
flexbrat 6 months ago
Any study of the "Abraham Papyrus" will leave you reeling over the sheer audacity and incompetency of Joes false creation. It's an embarrassing sham, Joe got not one glyph interpretation correct. And Champollion was known in the USA, I posted pages from "American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West", 1832-35. And there were over 22,000 in circulation in 1835. In it are over 35 pagers of Champollion. You can be certain It was in Freemason libraries.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
Funny AN ANGEL had to come to Joseph Smith to tell him the STORY THREE TIMES! and none of those three times agree, just read it in your own MORMON Material! Sorry not gonna figure out BOM, POGP, or D & C I have spent a lot of time on Mormonism; but not gonna learn it verse and scripture as it is not worthy it is as they say down south HOGWASH! Joseph Smith was a liar, told by the Angel not to join any Church as they were all Abominations and next month joined a Protestant Church (Methodist?)
FormerMPSGT 6 months ago
It forgot to say Joseph & Hirum (spelling bad) died as good Myrters with SMOKING SIX GUNS IN THEIR HANDS: THEY WENT OUT IN A BLAZE OF GLORY AND NOW EXHIST IN A BLAZE OF HELL FIRE!
FormerMPSGT 6 months ago
@flighteagles. Not to bash or anything, but I want to just inform you of errors I've found in the bible. There are thousands a's well. Even major ones. I am fluent in Spanish, obviously English, and Italian. I read the bible side by side with the languages And can guarantee you that if you were able to do the same, you would understand that when things Are translated, errors occur. The holy bible has been translated a's far a's Ebonics as far as I'm concerned and has lost that special holy t
tylerwelker75 6 months ago
What is partcularily sad about the fraudulent nature of the Mormon religion, it is not even CLOSE to being the goofiest. For reference, look into Jehovah Witness's, Scientology and Southern Bapist Young Earth Creationists, as examples.
EarlofCrawford 6 months ago
(PART 2) And that is, ask of God. I KNOW that if you as of full faith of the lord and as with a sincere heart the lord will testify of the truth and miracles of his church. I know with all my heart that the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true, Joseph Smith DID see God and God spoke unto him and said: "This is my belovid son, hear him!"
fighteaglesfight123 6 months ago
@fighteaglesfight123 of mormonism. The answer I received was that this church was made up of well meaning people who have been put under the spell of a con man....joe....I know with all of my heart that the BOM was written by sydney rigden and oliver cowdry using a manuscript they had stolen from soloman spaulding. They used the glass looker joe smith to bring it to the public because of his reputation for finding buried treasures useing peep stones. Among other things, joe was a (cont)
eag11e 6 months ago 4
@fighteaglesfight123 dishonest businessman, a womanizer, a polygamist and a polyanderer, a practitioner of the occult and follower of kabbalah, he was a liar, he was 32nd degree mason which has anti christian connotations, and a self righteous bigot who didn't practice what he preached. Over 3000 changes have been made to the BOM. A book that supposedly came from God. If from God, how do you account for the numerous errors that have had to be corrected. maybe you should pray more sincerely.
eag11e 6 months ago 16
Joseph Smith was a free mason because most people had to belong to the mason. George Washington was a free mason too. I agree that the free mason has the anti christ connotation, but he got killed by the free mason because he went against them. We can say whatever we want, we can find any error we want on anybody. What it comes down to, it's the concept of repentance, development of virtue and of will. Elimination of addiction in any form. the practice of chastity and family unity.
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
because of the principles of integrity I learned from this church, I will always support the Mormon church, even if all Mormons would leave it, even if the president of the church would leave it. There is no doubt in my mind and in my heart that this Church leads people to integrity, repentance and honesty. No one can ever shake the knowledge I have of this church because it comes from my heart.
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony Integrity? Is this what joe smith practiced? When joe took money and property from his followers was he practicing integrity? When joe lied about his spiritual wifery was he practicing integrity. When he stole the Mason's temple ceremony that he had sworn to keep secret, was he practicing integrity? Apparently the Masons did not think so. Because you and I both know it is the Mason's that killed joe!
eag11e 6 months ago
@eag11e His followers gave his money willingly, as I am willing to give my money to the church. The secret society of the masons and the illuminati is crushing the economy of United States and Europe with the public debt, infiltrating into our federal reserve. That's mega robbery. The temple ceremony is different from the mason ceremony. The temple ceremony is not secret, it is sacred. The mason ceremony is secret, even though any body knows about it.
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony When people deposited money into joe's antibank, they assumed they would be able to withdraw it with intrust in future. They did not expect him to take their money and run to another state. joe smith not only was a member of the Masons, but he was a 32nd degree member. That took some doing. joe was neck deep into the masons. mormon temple ceremony is not secret? Really, are you free to discuss it openly outside of temple? If not a secret, tell us what the signs and tokens are.
eag11e 6 months ago
@eag11e I agree he wa 32nd degree, however he gave his life to oppose to them. He was an hero because of it. A lot of people know what we do in the temple. There are millions of ex mormons talking and explaining. You know it too. I believe you had the temple recommend and you went inside. I can tell by the way you write. You confuse respect with secret. We show respect by keeping it personal. How can it be a secret if it is already known by many people? Ask the ex-mormons. they are many. Goodbye
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
Joe said that the secret society of the masons and illuminati will hang our constitution on thread. However he said that we will save the constitution of America. If you want to save the constitution be more open to us and we will accept you as a brother even if you are not joining the church. This is the fight for the constitution.
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
We don't like plural marriage either. However there will be time when women will ask for plural marriage for protection. World war III is coming soon and there will be a lot of woman with not protection. We have no addiction, we avoid masturbation like we avoid poison. We avoid pornography and any other addictive sexual habit. I make love to my wife once in while because she comes to me and she wants affection. That's who we are. That's what Joe Smith taught us. Thanks to him
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony you say you do not like plural marriage, and yet your founding prophets practiced it! "WW3 is coming soon"? Is this what they are teaching now in the mormon church? Why does a woman need to be married to you for you to protect her? Can you not protect your women without having to drag them into your bed? joe smith taught you to avoid pornography and masturbation? Wow, that is a new one. I guess his intercourse with 33 women didn't leave him time for looking at smut?
eag11e 6 months ago
@eag11e The church is not saying anything about WWIII. Just check what is going on with the governments.
I know where I stand with my family. My wife hates plural marriage, and I can understand it. I will respect her wish. You are not discussing the issues anymore, you are using sarcasm to answer back. That is disrespectful. that is why I can't talk to you anymore.
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony I need to ask, since I live in southern Utah, are you a polygamist? You don't talk like a usual mormon, but rather a fundamentalist. And as a woman, I look around and see more men relying on their wife's (wives's) salary (ies) (as second or more income) than I see stay-at-home needy women. ....and I am speaking of main mormons, fundamentalist mormons, and non-mormons.
riversidewatch 5 months ago
@1angeloanthony
"No one can ever shake the knowledge I have of this church because it comes from my heart. "
Then you are a hopeless romantic. Knowledge is more of a "of the mind" experience for most.
plunderpunk 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony As a person who once once said the things you now say , I hope you will pause and reflect on this: all that is Christian and good in mormonism can be found in Christian churches. All that is UNIQUE to mormonism is unChristian and disconcerting! Jesus of the Doctrine and Covenants bears little resemblance to the Jesus of the New Testament of the Bible.
riversidewatch 5 months ago
@riversidewatch What is different about Jesus in D&C than the Jesus in the Bible? Several hundred times have researchers and historians have searched for inconsistancies but are unable to find any, but how can you stand there and say that Jesus is different in D&C? Know why they are different, because first of all, Jesus isn't even in the Doctrine and Covenants.
phantomfn8 5 months ago
@phantomfn8 Thank you for your response. I was always taught that the Lord in the D&C was Jesus. D&C Chapter 1 begins with "His voice". He is severe and destructive in the D&C, yet understanding, loving, forgiving in the New Testament (and teaches in parables , that people might be able to hear the message). If you think the "Lord" of the D&C is not Jesus, but Heavenly Father, well, who has seen One has seen the Other, so similar are They, correct? D&C is a work of deception also.
riversidewatch 5 months ago
@1angeloanthony Is this what joe smith practiced? Chastity? And family unity? Which of the 33 wives that he took did he practice family unity with? He treated Emma so well, that she attempted to poisen joe at least twice. Is this the family unity of which you speak? Development of virtue? Didn't joe take the Virtue of young women away from them? your words at face value seem uplifting. But, the horrible reality behind them speaks of hypocracy!
eag11e 6 months ago
@eag11e there is not hypocrisy in what we do. We work hard to maintain our families. We struggle as you do to pay our bills. We are suffering the crush of the economy. However we endure and don't give up. That's what we learn from the church. Joe taught plural marriage, however we practice only one wife. We learn to respect her, and we learn patience. and we learn to be faithful to her. We don't look at other women, we don't do any addictive sexual thing that's destructive.
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony joe smith your founder and prophet told women that an angel had commanded him to marry them. If polygamy is a commandment of God, why did joe then lie to public and deny being a polygamist? Also, why would God command someone to marry another living Mans wife? That seems immoral. joe did this at least 7 times. Why do you not practice this commandment joe received. Do you think God would give a commandment and then change his mind? If so why? This is a problem for lds.
eag11e 6 months ago
@eag11e there is not change of mind. Poligamy is going to be available when needed, not for intercourse. Joseph Smith did not marry another man's wife. We can say anything about anybody. We can manipulate any truth to our wish. That's the truth. Good luck, sir.
1angeloanthony 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony you say joe smith did not marry another mans wife? Yet: in 1838 joe married Lucinda M. Harris. She was already married to George Harris. In 1841 joe married Zina Jacobs she was already married to Henry Jacobs. In 1841 joe married Presenda Buell she was already married to Norman Buell. In 1842 joe married Sylvia Lyon she was already married to Windsor Lyon. In 1842 joe married Mary Lightner she was already married to Adam Lightner. In 1842 joe married Patty Sessions (cont)
eag11e 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony she was already married to David Sessions. In 1842 joe married Miranda Hyde she was already married to Orsan Hyde (one of joes trusted apostles). In 1842 joe married Elizabeth Durfee she was already married to Jabez Durfee. In 1842 joe married Sara Clevland she was already married to John Clevland. In 1843 joe married Ruth Sayers she was already married to Edward Sayers. In 1843 joe married Elvira Holmes she was already married to Johnaton Holmes. All of these (cont)
eag11e 6 months ago
Respond to this video... All of these Husbands were living at the time joe married their wives. Think of how horrible they felt. Think of the betrayal not only of their wives but of their prophet who shamlessly took their wives for his own purposes. He was lucky the Masons killed him before these Husbands got together and took care of it themselves. When I read the story of some of these women, written in their own hand. It made me sick to my stomach. Do not speak of mormons and morality.
eag11e 6 months ago
@1angeloanthony It is nice you point out to viewers that the PRINCIPLE of polygamy was never recended by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The practice was revoked when it was that or lose the financial assets of the church. As I watch the pathetic practices of Warren Jeffs and the fundamentalist Mormons, I am so reminded of Joseph Smith!! If the "restoration" occurred as Mormons claim, why all the change, cover-up, change, lies that the modern Mormon church does? Why morph?
riversidewatch 5 months ago
@eag11e Actually over 4,000 changes, my friend has an original 1830's copy. You'd be astouded at the drastic changes within it.
jeanniem76 6 months ago
@jeanniem76 Yes, it is amazing that the "word of God" would have to be changed so many times. But, I have come to realize it wasn't the word of God after all. It was written by flawed men with an agenda. I bet it is interesting to see an original copy and what it actually said.....:)
eag11e 5 months ago
@eag11e # 1, he wasn't a businessman, he was the child of a poor farmer...#2, being a poor farmer boy, he could not have been a mason, and there are several mason's who are actually extremely devout Christians...#3, no changes have been made to the book of Mormon except for joining it to the Bible and adding cross-references. If you have any problems with anything I said, give me good, solid, hard proof.
phantomfn8 5 months ago
@phantomfn8 I will do your research for you this time. There is a feature on your computer called google. you can google any of the subjects you broached and you will find the answer you seek. But, I will humor you this time. #1 you say joe smith was not a businessman. joe smith attempted to open a bank in Kirtland, Ohio. He could not obtain a charter, so he formed the Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company in 1836. In 1837 it failed, joe was fined, and many mormons lost (cont)
eag11e 5 months ago
@phantomfn8 all of their savings. Many mormons left the church over the dishonest business practices associated with this "anti-bank". Also, joe smith owned a red brick dry goods store in Navuoo. A place where joe could relieve fellow mormons of their "burdens and money." #2 you say joe could not have been a mason. joe smith not only was a mason, but he was a 32nd degree mason! He was initiated into masonry in 1842.(History of the Church,, Deseret Book, 1978, Vol.4, Ch.32, p.550-1)(cont)
eag11e 5 months ago
@phantomfn8 #3 you day there have been no changes to the book of mormon. In fact there have been over 3000 changes to the book of mormon! Some of the significant changes can be found here: saintsalivecom resourcelibrary mormonism significant-changes-in-the-book-of-mormon. I agree he started a poor farmer who also was a treasure seeker for hire. If you have any problems with anything I have said, give me good, solid, hard proof, of your counter argument!
eag11e 5 months ago
(PART 1) Listen people, if This church had proof of the Gold plates and the truthness of it then faith of this church would be worth nothing. God doesnt want us basing faith on proof but he wants us basing faith on his writings. And you can go back into history as much as you want and look for proof of mormanism but i believe that there is only one way of knowing what is true.
fighteaglesfight123 6 months ago
@fighteaglesfight123 Pretty convenient argument. you do not have the gold plates so you make truthfulness be about faith. LOL, the type of logic manipulators use. Why not base Faith on Faith, and base Truth on Truth. I guess that would not be so convenient for your argument. If your faith is based on not having the plates....Then why did God give them to joe in the first place? How about that? I have, as you say, prayed, asked of God with a sincere heart about the truthfulness (cont).
eag11e 6 months ago
bunch of bullshit
agubaia 6 months ago
I feel like that guy and his wife at the end...Similar thing just happened to me yesterday. I just started writing down all of the anomalies and unanswered questions and boom. I am so happy to live in a time where we have access to free information and can share ideas to improve our own theories and beliefs.
zcxvasdfqwer1234 6 months ago
@zcxvasdfqwer1234 Good for you. It is a journey out of mormonism, which is why ex-mormons are ostracized: they cause people to think & read outside the box. And that leads to "apostasy"!! It takes so much courage to challenge your own faith after you have borne witness of it while relying on emotion instead of on truths. However, one can be totally truthful about one's emotion while all the time the gut and mind are uneasy about this reliance on emotion as a guiding force in one's life.
riversidewatch 5 months ago
i hear it was a priest buring scroll?
1awareness 7 months ago
i have many questions; peace be with you
1awareness 7 months ago