can't beleive his entire argument eventually just boils down to pascals wager, why didnt he just say that from the start? well there's 20 minutes of my life i won't get back.
what an annoying...bitch. who the hell has been wrong about EVERYTHING, including basic morals, for ALL our history? the churches, religious people. thats why you dont state an answer, you ask and pursue questions. nutbag. and yeah, stop shouting
Dear Dennette, why don't you go park your car on a busy motorway, in the fast lane, in heavy fog for a nap and do natural selection a favour by removing yourself from the gene pool. Simple right?
5:16 He's saying person 1 is wrong to go to someone and say to person 2 "it's wrong to do x". See the self-contradiction? He's saying person #2 can't be judged as wrong, but somehow person #1 can be judged as wrong for judging person #2.
it seems to me that most of the people making comments on debates like this are atheists themselves, which, given how loud the religious can be, means that theists dont watch this sort of material. to that point i suppose there are a lot of cat videos for the un-questioning mind to distract itself with.
3:00 I don't need to look under a microscope to find that. I can go to the zoo and look at a chimp. There is everything you mention mr. D'souza. Minus a long whiles worth of evolution as far as the morality goes.
I'm just perpetually amazed by D'Souza. Does he honestly believe his arguments are powerful (let alone coherent)? Does he honestly believe that he isn't misrepresenting scientific and logical concepts? Unless he's scientifically and logically incompetent, he can't honestly believe either. So he's either an idiot or immensely dishonest.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. WHY DSOUZA. WHY YOU FOOL. YOU FOOL YOU FOOL AND TO THINK DENNET GAVE YOU TIME OF DAY?...WOW. W O W . WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH A DICK TOO? WOW. oh btw Dsouza darling, nice script, never heard any of those ones before ;)
His greatest problem (apart from all the screaming) is thinking about matter as in terms of "obeying" the laws of physics (most people with his background can´t think very differently), when the "laws of nature" are matter themselves, there´s no distinction between the universe and the "laws" of the universe. That is a logical fallacy for he is taking the conclusion he wants to reach for premise of his reasoning (the conclusion being that God imposes laws to matter from another realm)
I think D'Souza is quite disrespectful towards Dennett at times. He's incredibly petty & childish too with his silly analogies and his mocking caricatures.
I can't believe this guy actually went to Dartmouth!
This man is an idiot. The part about life after death. I'm paraphrasing: "We cannot know or prove that there is an afterlife, how couild we possibly. We christians know there is an afterlife because we have faith that there is". The sheer amount incoherence and consistency is simply mind-boggling
Unfortunately, I have to give this to Dinesh. Although the Pascal's wager thing was a bit morose, and his strict marriage of morality and religion was quite a misrepresentation, his admittance of "we are both two idiots arguing in the dark" was selling.
People die in the name of religion, and in the name against it. Two cavemen arguing whats across an ocean they can't cross, as though they're certain.
Socrates denotes that the wisest is the one who knows he knows nothing.
@ihatelucy11 In other words, his admittance of, "Neither one of us KNOW for sure" was a clincher?
See to me, Denett has never claimed anything for absolute certainty, and the fact that everything he says is based not of absolution, but of rational deduction means that all D'Souza did with that point was...well...point out the obvious.
To me, D'souza used bad logic "fine tuned universe!" Equivocation "Laws of nature and laws of man" and factual error "Nazis and Hitler". He lost.
At the question asked below, why if we dont believe in god we spend so much time on him : watch this vid again: belief makes people with great mental capacity into nonsence circular reasoning tard talkers, we are being moral as possible. Give up the noncence, face the facts and lets move to where we can agree is best for us and our children.
This frickin anoying ... He is the one living in a 2 mile radius never getting beyond because he knows whats out there on faith, SCIENCE is about admitting knot knowing and going to explore!
Scientist from the past (according to Dinesh): "We deny the existence of planets outside our solar system because we have no evidence they exist."
Theist from the past: "Planets don't exist. Earth is all there is, the sun and the moon go around it. The sky is 2-dimensional with stars placed on it by God."
Does D'Souza know no facts at all? At least he admitted that descriptions of god are manmade. The idea that something exists because there is NO EVIDENCE for it as absurd. Bertrand Russell makes that argument beautifully. We might as well believe in ANYTHING because there's no evidence for it. Belief in a life after death is obviously wishful thinking. I don't want to be part of a society that believes in invisible sky wizards. It's a very scary thing. Pascal's wager is simply dishonest.
he isn't a liar. just quit hating cause you don't want to make any sacrifices for the road to salvation. grow up and come to grips with the fact that there is a creator. GOD is real, I know because he made me, you should know too...
I cant even fathom how intellectually dishonest D'Souza is. Mis- Characterizing positions to win strawman arguments, boldly making baseless claims, committing logical fallacies, and breaking the basic rules of debate.
He's smart enough and experienced enough to know better. His lies are as cheap as his suit
@noahhill17 Because people are the ones who act out based on this belief in God. We can't deny the existence of people acting out based on these beliefs. If you have a gay child who pays taxes and obeys laws and some God believer is preaching against your child's very being or individuality & disrespecting your child thru laws then atheists have every right to speak up.
Dinesh is one of the Greats, To reject him outright because of his beliefs is tragic..He is important in many regards especially to the conversation about the existence of God. At least he isn't william lane craig... u know what i mean?
@skepticalsight One of the greats who doesn't understand the specious nature of Pascal's wager? Yep, thats an intellectual giant you got there. This guy is a disingenuous slime ball. A pious liar of the lowest order, his tactics are ridicule and ad hominem.
Why so much criticism against Dinesh? I mean if you don't believe in God, why so much interest in him? It's like saying unicorns dont exist...ok they dont exist time to move on in my lif!e
@aBelieverOfChrist16 Firstly, Dinesh's speeches are are a painful mix of hatred and stupid. Secondly, your typical non-genocidal atheist has to deal with the bigotry that hate-mongers like Dinesh deliberately stir up.
This debate is painful and embarrassing to watch, for Dinesh. I almost feel sorry for him for how desperate and flimsy his points are becoming, not to mention the unrelated rants and pandering to Christians in the audience.
I imagined that Dinesh winked out of existence as he spoke this whole time. I came to a realization that I would have learned more productive lessons from those minutes of silence.
Pascals Wager has so many fallacies. The primary flaw is the fact that there are many gods. What if you believe in God, but the God you believed in isn't the right one? There are an infinite amount of proposed Gods, your chances of actually believing in the right one are near zero, thus eliminating your chances of actually gaining anything. Say I decide to make the wager and I die, then I end up with Hades in the underworld... how was I supposed to know the Greek gods were the right ones?
Dinesh is misrepresenting empiricism. Taking it correctly is not to deny that something exists, it is to be skeptical about it, ie, known only as an idea in your mind until you experience it for yourself. To flat out deny something can only be done when evidence shows it doesn't exist- like if I said humans have 3 hands, you'd know that was dumb. If I say, there are x number of planets, you can be skeptial- until I can show you some evidence. Then to deny it would be wrong.
Thank You Lord for the grace of wisdom You gave to Dinesh may You Lord grant him more wisdom to enlighten Your children who are being deceived by Sata. Please try to use your reason to read and search more for God is real. Kindly visit valtorta.org to know God more and thereby love Him more. God loves us all so much!
Obviously, most of the people commenting on here are atheists. Naturally, you ridicule Dinesh. But that is okay, because those of us who are believers know that the Holy Spirit has blessed us with knowledge that you are all blind to.
I agree, we are reasoning in the dark. The only part where I agree with Dinesh. Conveniently though he fails to acknowledge how one the dark would jump to extreme conclusions about supporting any religion or moral assumptions they bring.
Many of the commentators here are too preoccupied with Dinesh's methods of delivery, largely, it seems, because they cannot intellectually refute his content.
@jeffpayne170 Actually, some of Dinesh's content refutes itself, and other parts are simply misrepresentations and demonstrations of fundamental misunderstanding of what he is trying argue against.
This arrogant little nickel-in-the-hat street preacher has the temerity to assert that he has considered conciousness and thought in ways more thorough and profound than Dan-fucking-Dennett? That's like me claiming to be a better baseball player than Albert Pujols. What a clown, waving his arms and yelling, insisting to a crowd of rational, liberal, New Englanders - probably a third of whome are Reform Jews - that their beliefs - or lack thereof - are the basis of Nazism. Absurd.
"This is foolishness it takes a non-academic to see"......*translation pending*....."I am unable to understand the evidence of neuroscience, therefore neuroscience is wrong."
When you start yelling lies and waving your arms and rocking your body back and forth, Dinesh, that's when everyone can tell you yourself know you're on very shaky ground.
@rugermeister380 Belief isn't a choice, it's a reflex. It depends on a number of variables, including my own predispositions and biases, the information I've taken in, emotional or social considerations, etc. These variables could be intentionally manipulated and this would affect my beliefs. I can attempt to control the information I receive - for example, by only subscribing to explicitly liberal magazines - but to do this I would have to already be a liberal for other reasons. It's a reflex.
The next person to use the room: "Hey, who left these straw men everywhere? Did someone ask Dinesh D'Souza to take part in a debate?"
Seriously, this man sounds like an utter raving lunatic, I feel sorry for Mr Dennet, that he couldn't have someone making actual, logical points with some merit in their defeat.
He talks about stopping talking, or the fact that he hasn't thrown the microphone and sat down, etc, etc, as though these things are proof that determinism is false. Notice, of course, that he does none of these things, nor has he done any of these things in any of his debates.
It seems he's determined to keep yammering on, microphone in hand, tacitly endorsing determinism with every breath and word. What a materialist...
Dinesh delivers much like a preacher at a revival. He is certainly glib and knowledgeable, but seems like an updated version and more polished version of Duane Gish.
Poor debate. The guy is a loud mouth, who can't debate without raising his voice. Inarticulate and not scholarly; sounds like a high school debate team; didn't learn anything by listening to it; just somebody expressing ignorant personal opinion that is void of fact
It would be so sweet if Dinesh kept getting louder and louder until he was screaming like Sam Kinison or death metal music, and then kept that up, completely unintelligibly, for the remaining amount of his debate time and then at the conclusion of that simply said, "Thank you, God bless". Only in that way could he "win" this debate.
D'Souza cherry picks scientific facts and distorts these facts to support his biases. Instead of creating Straw Men from Darwinian Theory, he should learn about the different fields of science, such as Quantum Mechanics, Cosmology, Astronomy, Abiogenesis and so on, but I doubt he will actually study these subjects with an open mind.
Any first-year philosophy student can debunk Pascal's Wager. It's a shame that D'Souza used it as the framework that holds his whole argument together.
Pascal's Wager assumes an egocentric, superficial and stupid god. It assumes a god who would favor unbelievers lie about their beliefs than honestly express doubt. However, this is the same god that completely ruined Job's life to win a bet with the Devil, so perhaps he's right to assume God is foolish.
Sorry Dinesh, hedging your bets on the existence of god so that you can get into heaven wont work. And I postulate that any god who cares enough to have a heaven, wouldn't place someone like you who hedged his bets to get in. You dont believe but are too afraid of what would happen if god exists. (He doesn't, dont worry)
I have so many complaints about D'Souza's arguments that I don't even know where to start. Firstly, Dennett never denied the existence of consciousness, he expressly stated so (he also slammed epiphenomenalism). Also, determinism doesn't rule out the kind of free will that matters, and it certainly doesn't ruin morality.
And why is it that even when I turn the volume down, Dinesh's voice is still so fucking loud?!
So many anonymous barking dogs in these comments, so many insults, yet I've yet to see a single legitimate criticism of D'Souza. That's just plain sad. I thought atheists were rational.
@GreyWolfLeaderTW The biggest criticisms of D'Souza's debates are his obvious lack of knowledge that he uses as arguments. He uses quotes from discredited documents and his rationalizing is absurd. His arguments really boil down to "I don't want to believe something that is not reassuring." Well life is tough and not reassuring. D'Souza is just someone who is afraid of the truth and wants things to be divine. Many people will go down with their ship and say absurd contradictions, like D'Souza
@GreyWolfLeaderTW I was thinking the same thing. But I don't think anyone really says much more than "He is loud and dumb" "He uses fallacies" Well explain why, don't just insult him. I think he actually presents a very strong argument. I'm in agreement overall with his position, I don't agree with everything he says though. I also agree with quite a bit of what Dennet says. But i'm willing to show a degree of objectivity and not just accept everything the person that I agree with says.
@luvlatinmamis Because we get tired of repeating scientific facts just because people are too lazy to do any research themselves and stop at videos to get the "facts" they need. Especially with Dinesh. No 500 characters in the world will allow me to start to take his arguments apart.
@ImBackAJ20101 Don't make the assumption that just because I commented on a few videos I don't actually do any reading. I do quite a bit of reading. And though I'm a christian I will admit that there are many things that I disagree with that Dinesh says but I don't think it would be so easy to "take his argument apart". There is frustration on both sides. All insults really do is show a lack in mental dexterity and that you would rather throw a tantrum than keep your calm.
@luvlatinmamis I keep my calm very well. But when you see a man throw the audience in logical loops to get his point across, it can be frustrating. Especially because many of those who would like to agree with Dinesh, will think he is making logical points. Even Dennett looked awestruck at time at the comments/arguments Dinesh made.
@ImBackAJ20101 Since your comment was a reply to mine I felt it was directed at me. The funny thing is I figured you would say this shortly after my reply lol. Not everything that Dinesh says is logical in the sense of lacking fallacies but I feel that there are fallacies on both sides of the argument. So it works both ways, both sides will present logical arguments and illogical arguments(fallacious). Some more than others.
@ImBackAJ20101 For starters his beard is a fallacy lol. To answer that question would require me to watch this entire debate again which is something that I don't see myself doing right now to be quite honest. But I'd be happy to watch some of his replies some other day and tell you what I found to be fallacious.
@luvlatinmamis D'Souza knows full-well that some of his arguments are broken. He argues from ignorance, illustrating how we have no evidence as to the existence of the afterlife, but that it's ignorant to believe that nothing LIKE that could possibly exist. He then makes a HUGE jump to the assumption that because science doesn't possess every fact that could ever be known, therefore the Christian idea of heaven must be true and the Abrahamic god must be real.
@ 2:20 no that was Christians!! In 1633 Galileo Galilei was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture,and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Pick up a History book idiot and next time you're sick Dinesh go buy a bucket of leeches!!!!! Captain Strawman
@ 2:20 no that was Christians!! In 1633 Galileo Galilei was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture,and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Pick up a History book idiot and next time you're sick Dinesh go buy a bucket of leeches!!!!!
@conraderb Does the volume of your voice have the power to render your statements false? That's impressive! I can't change the truth either by shouting or whispering. A mere mortal myself, I must rely on the strength of my arguments. I suppose atheists don't have to rely on such weakly human powers.
@dvc5797 Never said that. I'm just pointing out common debating technique. The person who is loudest often sounds more ridiculous. The fact that I disagree with Dinesh is incidental. If I agreed with Dinesh, I would still cringe a bit as his manner.
@dvc5797 Never said that. I'm just pointing out common debating technique. The person who is loudest often sounds more ridiculous. The fact that I disagree with Dinesh is incidental. If I agreed with Dinesh, I would still cringe a bit as his manner.
Dinesh claims that both he and dennett are fumbling around in the dark,lol,I dont think so.Believing in an invisible dieiy that you cannot touch,see ,feel or demonstrate is far more irrational than NOT believing in an invisible deity that you cannot see,feel,touch or demonstrate.
He is loud because he is passionate. I think it is funny how he makes really good points, but yet everyone here on youtube accuses him of ignorance when they themselves are ignorant for just dismissing Dinesh's argument as nonsensical.
Dinesh, seriously. Why do guys like him always say that morality cannot be deciphered through science. Far from it. That notion is so far from the truth. By this logic, you'd have to put neuroscience up there with intelligent design.
India apologises for producing this clown.
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Thumbs up if you have a little bit of vomit come up into your mouth every time you hear Dinesh D'Souza yell the word "MORALITY".
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huwrj 2 weeks ago
Actually the neurons firing in you frontal lobe would cause your motor skills to make you put the microphone down and go sit down.....
TheHunterCook 2 weeks ago
can't beleive his entire argument eventually just boils down to pascals wager, why didnt he just say that from the start? well there's 20 minutes of my life i won't get back.
dproctor18 3 weeks ago
Dinesh is as persuasive as he is handsome.
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D'Souza is intelligent enough to understand the way science works and therefore his misrepresentation can only be called malice.
His jacket remindes me of David Byrnes big suit in Stop Making Sense. How appropriate!
EquinoxIV 1 month ago
I turned the volume on my headphones all the way down to zero... and I could *still* hear D'souza shouting away! Not a joke!
jq747 1 month ago
what an annoying...bitch. who the hell has been wrong about EVERYTHING, including basic morals, for ALL our history? the churches, religious people. thats why you dont state an answer, you ask and pursue questions. nutbag. and yeah, stop shouting
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Dear Dennette, why don't you go park your car on a busy motorway, in the fast lane, in heavy fog for a nap and do natural selection a favour by removing yourself from the gene pool. Simple right?
Seigu007 1 month ago
I BET D'SOUZA TYPES IN ALL CAPS. BOY HE OWNZ ATHIESTS.
maljamin 1 month ago
Holy shit, D'Souza needs to use his inside voice.
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@jasonjon88 what, thats it? are you just another post and run troll?
Seigu007 1 month ago
I dont understand why is Dinesh shouting, this is not a Sunday sermon!
whatslifespurpose 2 months ago
I can't believe he used pascals wager, discredit even to the god he believes in.
obmitty1 2 months ago
this irrationality is disheartening.
tombombadillo1 2 months ago
dat Pascal's Wager...
thatguywhodoesvidoes 2 months ago
I wish I could slap the crap outta this idiot so called Dinesh...
91drink 2 months ago
5:16 He's saying person 1 is wrong to go to someone and say to person 2 "it's wrong to do x". See the self-contradiction? He's saying person #2 can't be judged as wrong, but somehow person #1 can be judged as wrong for judging person #2.
mjt532 3 months ago
it seems to me that most of the people making comments on debates like this are atheists themselves, which, given how loud the religious can be, means that theists dont watch this sort of material. to that point i suppose there are a lot of cat videos for the un-questioning mind to distract itself with.
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Dinesh' arguments are aggressive distortions and his shoulder pads are from the eighties.
whauffend 3 months ago
@whauffend Your comments are hilarious, thank you!
ballerine11 3 months ago
3:00 I don't need to look under a microscope to find that. I can go to the zoo and look at a chimp. There is everything you mention mr. D'souza. Minus a long whiles worth of evolution as far as the morality goes.
MrNoexcuses 3 months ago
Seriously...who sounds more rational?...
AneTix101 4 months ago
brilliant. i love this guy
D3uscaritas3st 4 months ago
just stupid
vondraqon 4 months ago
Dineshes argument boils down to this: I don't understand so god must have done it.
hikermanwa 4 months ago 2
he also said "weak electro force" a video or two back, whatever the fuck THAT is. but hey, you know, i'm no physicist.
gnarctopus 4 months ago
aren't there microphones so you don't have to scream at your audience to be heard?
gnarctopus 4 months ago
honestly dinesh is a real dumbass, even for creationists probably
74gore 4 months ago
5000 bc caveman LOL
tsarenvy 4 months ago 7
@tsarenvy Haha, yeah I lost my shit at that point
biotricky 4 months ago
@tsarenvy Believing in God is so easy, a caveman can do it.
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@tsarenvy this is the best your feeble mind can do when it cant win or comprehend a debate. You have the IQ of a SALAD BAR.
Seigu007 1 month ago
ive seen mad drunk geese that are more intelligible than this fella
tsarenvy 4 months ago 2
dinesh's diatribe was rambling bullshit.
pascal's wager is a surefire way to lose one's credibility even with a theist of moderate intelligence, never mind a nonbeliever.
doaftheloaf 4 months ago
Dinesh is a very good talker and a very bad liar.
FellowshipPictures 4 months ago
I'm just perpetually amazed by D'Souza. Does he honestly believe his arguments are powerful (let alone coherent)? Does he honestly believe that he isn't misrepresenting scientific and logical concepts? Unless he's scientifically and logically incompetent, he can't honestly believe either. So he's either an idiot or immensely dishonest.
multard 5 months ago
@multard : I vote for him being an idiot
THEBHUPINDER1984 4 months ago
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. WHY DSOUZA. WHY YOU FOOL. YOU FOOL YOU FOOL AND TO THINK DENNET GAVE YOU TIME OF DAY?...WOW. W O W . WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH A DICK TOO? WOW. oh btw Dsouza darling, nice script, never heard any of those ones before ;)
dkurmanov 5 months ago
His greatest problem (apart from all the screaming) is thinking about matter as in terms of "obeying" the laws of physics (most people with his background can´t think very differently), when the "laws of nature" are matter themselves, there´s no distinction between the universe and the "laws" of the universe. That is a logical fallacy for he is taking the conclusion he wants to reach for premise of his reasoning (the conclusion being that God imposes laws to matter from another realm)
ThePhilosorpheus 5 months ago
4:21... YES!! YES IT IS, YOU DUMBASS!!
AraGuitar 5 months ago
MY FOREHEAD IS RED FROM ALL THE FACE-PALMING.
Savipalooza 5 months ago
"It is a rational faith, grounded in science, grounded in evidence..."
Holy fucking shit.
Savipalooza 5 months ago
This guy rots the brain more than Jersey Shore.
Savipalooza 5 months ago
Basically what he's saying is this: If there's no way to know whether god exists, you should make a decision anyway... What a tool.
Savipalooza 5 months ago
I hope he would use his free will and throw up this microphone, but he did'nt therefore he doesn't have free will ;)
kfertacz 5 months ago
At 3:43 ... what the fuck are you talking about, seriously? This guy has got to be one of the most incoherent people in academia
AllNightDayDream 5 months ago
Stop the yelling!
karlhschro 5 months ago
Stop the yelling!
karlhschro 5 months ago
I think D'Souza is quite disrespectful towards Dennett at times. He's incredibly petty & childish too with his silly analogies and his mocking caricatures.
I can't believe this guy actually went to Dartmouth!
nowgleaning 5 months ago
then throw the mic, fag.
TheEntropianist 6 months ago 2
This man is an idiot. The part about life after death. I'm paraphrasing: "We cannot know or prove that there is an afterlife, how couild we possibly. We christians know there is an afterlife because we have faith that there is". The sheer amount incoherence and consistency is simply mind-boggling
Hermy1138 6 months ago in playlist Dinesh D'Souza Debates Daniel Dennett
STOP SHOUTING AT ME!
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@preemptivestrike20 atheist fool, do you realize how little you understand?
Seigu007 1 month ago
"I don't believe in God..."
"I don't know there's a God..."
TheToiim 6 months ago
I am an atheist.
Unfortunately, I have to give this to Dinesh. Although the Pascal's wager thing was a bit morose, and his strict marriage of morality and religion was quite a misrepresentation, his admittance of "we are both two idiots arguing in the dark" was selling.
People die in the name of religion, and in the name against it. Two cavemen arguing whats across an ocean they can't cross, as though they're certain.
Socrates denotes that the wisest is the one who knows he knows nothing.
ihatelucy11 7 months ago
@ihatelucy11 That means you are an atheist. :)
pnq8787 6 months ago
@ihatelucy11 In other words, his admittance of, "Neither one of us KNOW for sure" was a clincher?
See to me, Denett has never claimed anything for absolute certainty, and the fact that everything he says is based not of absolution, but of rational deduction means that all D'Souza did with that point was...well...point out the obvious.
To me, D'souza used bad logic "fine tuned universe!" Equivocation "Laws of nature and laws of man" and factual error "Nazis and Hitler". He lost.
BigLundi 2 months ago
Geez, I'm trying to make it through this whole debate but his shrill ranting is getting old. Try some decaf.
waretron 7 months ago
At the question asked below, why if we dont believe in god we spend so much time on him : watch this vid again: belief makes people with great mental capacity into nonsence circular reasoning tard talkers, we are being moral as possible. Give up the noncence, face the facts and lets move to where we can agree is best for us and our children.
schorske 7 months ago
This frickin anoying ... He is the one living in a 2 mile radius never getting beyond because he knows whats out there on faith, SCIENCE is about admitting knot knowing and going to explore!
schorske 7 months ago
one big strawman argument . . . fucking hard to listen to without wanting to just fast forward to Dan
keggerous 7 months ago
Scientist from the past (according to Dinesh): "We deny the existence of planets outside our solar system because we have no evidence they exist."
Theist from the past: "Planets don't exist. Earth is all there is, the sun and the moon go around it. The sky is 2-dimensional with stars placed on it by God."
Dinesh fails again.
deathtris 7 months ago
Does D'Souza know no facts at all? At least he admitted that descriptions of god are manmade. The idea that something exists because there is NO EVIDENCE for it as absurd. Bertrand Russell makes that argument beautifully. We might as well believe in ANYTHING because there's no evidence for it. Belief in a life after death is obviously wishful thinking. I don't want to be part of a society that believes in invisible sky wizards. It's a very scary thing. Pascal's wager is simply dishonest.
BrentGrainger2000 7 months ago
I hope this guy doesn't have his own children
az091186 7 months ago
@az091186 Would you fuck that?
fifimsp 7 months ago
he isn't a liar. just quit hating cause you don't want to make any sacrifices for the road to salvation. grow up and come to grips with the fact that there is a creator. GOD is real, I know because he made me, you should know too...
MsCoffinKisser 7 months ago
@MsCoffinKisser That's convincing.
fifimsp 7 months ago
I cant even fathom how intellectually dishonest D'Souza is. Mis- Characterizing positions to win strawman arguments, boldly making baseless claims, committing logical fallacies, and breaking the basic rules of debate.
He's smart enough and experienced enough to know better. His lies are as cheap as his suit
1EmergingCenter 7 months ago
If D'Souza had anything reasonable to say, maybe he would ditch the preacher posturing and say it calmly. What an amazing example of oral diarrhoea.
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I notice a lot of atheists have responded. If atheists don't believe in God, why are they so obsessed with him?
noahhill17 8 months ago
I notice a lot of atheists have responded. If atheists don't believe in God, why are they obsessed with him?
noahhill17 8 months ago
@noahhill17 Because people are the ones who act out based on this belief in God. We can't deny the existence of people acting out based on these beliefs. If you have a gay child who pays taxes and obeys laws and some God believer is preaching against your child's very being or individuality & disrespecting your child thru laws then atheists have every right to speak up.
Fishqueen1972 8 months ago
he sure is loud!
thomasparg 8 months ago
Dinesh is one of the Greats, To reject him outright because of his beliefs is tragic..He is important in many regards especially to the conversation about the existence of God. At least he isn't william lane craig... u know what i mean?
skepticalsight 8 months ago
@skepticalsight One of the greats who doesn't understand the specious nature of Pascal's wager? Yep, thats an intellectual giant you got there. This guy is a disingenuous slime ball. A pious liar of the lowest order, his tactics are ridicule and ad hominem.
disrxt 8 months ago 4
i notice that Dinesh still hasn't apologised for twisting Dennets quotes
Mattmurr150 8 months ago
@Mattmurr150: he really didn't have time to apologise...not whilst actively screaming lies and further misrepresentations of Dennett.
DJGutekunst 7 months ago
Why so much criticism against Dinesh? I mean if you don't believe in God, why so much interest in him? It's like saying unicorns dont exist...ok they dont exist time to move on in my lif!e
aBelieverOfChrist16 8 months ago
@aBelieverOfChrist16 Firstly, Dinesh's speeches are are a painful mix of hatred and stupid. Secondly, your typical non-genocidal atheist has to deal with the bigotry that hate-mongers like Dinesh deliberately stir up.
onlylettersand0to9 8 months ago
I speak...I stop LOL did anyone else lol at how stupid that was as an argument against determinism??
Liaomiao 8 months ago
"how narrowminded of us to assume that all the available information we have now, that's it, that is all we know"
How can it be narrowminded to assume that you don't know anything about the things of which you have no information about.
oneofgodsfrozenpeopl 8 months ago
why is Dinesh always yelling? I want to listen to what he says, but he rants and raves like a baptist minister. Calm down, little Indian man.
synquantro 8 months ago
This debate is painful and embarrassing to watch, for Dinesh. I almost feel sorry for him for how desperate and flimsy his points are becoming, not to mention the unrelated rants and pandering to Christians in the audience.
scsublett 8 months ago
Dinesh "The Scarecrow" D'Souza - he just leaps from one straw-man argument to another.
...if he only had a brain...
hardinmichael1981 8 months ago
I imagined that Dinesh winked out of existence as he spoke this whole time. I came to a realization that I would have learned more productive lessons from those minutes of silence.
Kebleven 8 months ago
Pascals Wager has so many fallacies. The primary flaw is the fact that there are many gods. What if you believe in God, but the God you believed in isn't the right one? There are an infinite amount of proposed Gods, your chances of actually believing in the right one are near zero, thus eliminating your chances of actually gaining anything. Say I decide to make the wager and I die, then I end up with Hades in the underworld... how was I supposed to know the Greek gods were the right ones?
TO0DLES213 9 months ago
I thank goodness that Dinesh is not on our side.
Mattiewolftalks 9 months ago
Dinesh is misrepresenting empiricism. Taking it correctly is not to deny that something exists, it is to be skeptical about it, ie, known only as an idea in your mind until you experience it for yourself. To flat out deny something can only be done when evidence shows it doesn't exist- like if I said humans have 3 hands, you'd know that was dumb. If I say, there are x number of planets, you can be skeptial- until I can show you some evidence. Then to deny it would be wrong.
dlmc1989 9 months ago
did Dinesh really try to discuss philosophy of mind with Dennett? That is hilarious!
dalazal 9 months ago
Dinesh buddy... stop screaming. Calm down.
igniteice 9 months ago
I'm a Christian and Dinesh would sway me more quickly to atheism quicker than any evolutionist could....
MabiSayo 9 months ago 2
Thank You Lord for the grace of wisdom You gave to Dinesh may You Lord grant him more wisdom to enlighten Your children who are being deceived by Sata. Please try to use your reason to read and search more for God is real. Kindly visit valtorta.org to know God more and thereby love Him more. God loves us all so much!
krizzia1000 9 months ago
Amen, Dinesh! You said it very succinctly!
divawriter 9 months ago
Obviously, most of the people commenting on here are atheists. Naturally, you ridicule Dinesh. But that is okay, because those of us who are believers know that the Holy Spirit has blessed us with knowledge that you are all blind to.
I am sorry for all of you.
divawriter 9 months ago
I agree, we are reasoning in the dark. The only part where I agree with Dinesh. Conveniently though he fails to acknowledge how one the dark would jump to extreme conclusions about supporting any religion or moral assumptions they bring.
estevancarlos 10 months ago
@1:36 Dinesh goes on to undermine his whole argument...
Consider this next you you ask someone why they can't explain the Big Bang perfectly.
Bboiblack 10 months ago
Many of the commentators here are too preoccupied with Dinesh's methods of delivery, largely, it seems, because they cannot intellectually refute his content.
jeffpayne170 10 months ago
@jeffpayne170 Actually, some of Dinesh's content refutes itself, and other parts are simply misrepresentations and demonstrations of fundamental misunderstanding of what he is trying argue against.
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
This arrogant little nickel-in-the-hat street preacher has the temerity to assert that he has considered conciousness and thought in ways more thorough and profound than Dan-fucking-Dennett? That's like me claiming to be a better baseball player than Albert Pujols. What a clown, waving his arms and yelling, insisting to a crowd of rational, liberal, New Englanders - probably a third of whome are Reform Jews - that their beliefs - or lack thereof - are the basis of Nazism. Absurd.
bcgonynor 10 months ago
Dinesh thinks that being loud equals being right... WRONG!
GHortaV 10 months ago
This guy has no cure, I propose we lock him up.
fidenful 10 months ago
"This is foolishness it takes a non-academic to see"......*translation pending*....."I am unable to understand the evidence of neuroscience, therefore neuroscience is wrong."
LordProfBear 10 months ago
yes dinesh—make the choice to put the mic down and sit!
itchynights 10 months ago
yelling + arm waving + impressions of dan dennett = epic fail.
itchynights 10 months ago
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Dinesh Rocks, by spreading lies and ignorance? seriously, he said atheism is responsible for hitler? read mein kempf
shandcunt 10 months ago
Dinesh Rocks.
Fike2308 10 months ago
When you start yelling lies and waving your arms and rocking your body back and forth, Dinesh, that's when everyone can tell you yourself know you're on very shaky ground.
babelfishable 10 months ago
Bravo Dinesh!
kaunaskas 11 months ago
Dinesh hits the nail right on the head... 6:55-7:13. It's a choice.
rugermeister380 11 months ago
@rugermeister380 Belief isn't a choice, it's a reflex. It depends on a number of variables, including my own predispositions and biases, the information I've taken in, emotional or social considerations, etc. These variables could be intentionally manipulated and this would affect my beliefs. I can attempt to control the information I receive - for example, by only subscribing to explicitly liberal magazines - but to do this I would have to already be a liberal for other reasons. It's a reflex.
bcgonynor 10 months ago
god damn Dinesh sucks
SMDavis53 11 months ago
The next person to use the room: "Hey, who left these straw men everywhere? Did someone ask Dinesh D'Souza to take part in a debate?"
Seriously, this man sounds like an utter raving lunatic, I feel sorry for Mr Dennet, that he couldn't have someone making actual, logical points with some merit in their defeat.
Pudabudigada 11 months ago 3
The next person to use this room: "Who left these straw men everywhere? Oh, wait, Dinesh D'Souza has been here hasn't he?"
Pudabudigada 11 months ago
1:35 to 2:25 - that is bordering on personal attacks. I also like how nobody laughs at his impression.
kairobinson 11 months ago
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1:35 to 2:25 - that is bordering on personal attacks.
kairobinson 11 months ago
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1:45 onwards - that is bordering on personal attacks.
kairobinson 11 months ago
1:45 - that is bordering on personal attacks.
kairobinson 11 months ago
He talks about stopping talking, or the fact that he hasn't thrown the microphone and sat down, etc, etc, as though these things are proof that determinism is false. Notice, of course, that he does none of these things, nor has he done any of these things in any of his debates.
It seems he's determined to keep yammering on, microphone in hand, tacitly endorsing determinism with every breath and word. What a materialist...
Reerrpad5515 11 months ago
Dinesh delivers much like a preacher at a revival. He is certainly glib and knowledgeable, but seems like an updated version and more polished version of Duane Gish.
drdavey777 11 months ago
Dinesh is a bright mind!
PecaniAnna 11 months ago
"I could put this microphone down and go sit down" yes, yes please do that.
mrmelkor1 11 months ago
Did he actually try to defend Pascal's wager? Oh my, he sank to new lows...
pedazodeboludo 11 months ago 29
if its loud turn it down! DUhh
tjersey 11 months ago
Poor debate. The guy is a loud mouth, who can't debate without raising his voice. Inarticulate and not scholarly; sounds like a high school debate team; didn't learn anything by listening to it; just somebody expressing ignorant personal opinion that is void of fact
george5120 1 year ago
It would be so sweet if Dinesh kept getting louder and louder until he was screaming like Sam Kinison or death metal music, and then kept that up, completely unintelligibly, for the remaining amount of his debate time and then at the conclusion of that simply said, "Thank you, God bless". Only in that way could he "win" this debate.
badger500 1 year ago
D'Souza cherry picks scientific facts and distorts these facts to support his biases. Instead of creating Straw Men from Darwinian Theory, he should learn about the different fields of science, such as Quantum Mechanics, Cosmology, Astronomy, Abiogenesis and so on, but I doubt he will actually study these subjects with an open mind.
Bremerxxxx 1 year ago
Pascal's Wager?
Debate over.
Seriously. He was already spitting out fallacies from the beginning. But once you get to Pascal's wager, you LOSE AUTOMATICALLY AT EVERYTHING FOREVER.
Gezab 1 year ago 31
@Gezab Gotta say it was actually refreshing for him use something else than the Natzi card for five minutes.
Mattiewolftalks 9 months ago
@Gezab
so before Pascal's wager was 'formulated' was it acceptable before??
varoshah 6 months ago
@Gezab Plus he mentions Hitler and the Nazis.
nowgleaning 5 months ago
WHY IS THIS GUY SO LOUD!!
every time he gets louder he makes less sense...
ZenJestr 1 year ago 3
So here D'Souza admits he doesn't have a clue and then jumps on Pascal's Wager? Yeah, debate over. Not even worth Dennett's time.
LanceWisteria 1 year ago
Any first-year philosophy student can debunk Pascal's Wager. It's a shame that D'Souza used it as the framework that holds his whole argument together.
Pascal's Wager assumes an egocentric, superficial and stupid god. It assumes a god who would favor unbelievers lie about their beliefs than honestly express doubt. However, this is the same god that completely ruined Job's life to win a bet with the Devil, so perhaps he's right to assume God is foolish.
DocBlasto 1 year ago
Sorry Dinesh, hedging your bets on the existence of god so that you can get into heaven wont work. And I postulate that any god who cares enough to have a heaven, wouldn't place someone like you who hedged his bets to get in. You dont believe but are too afraid of what would happen if god exists. (He doesn't, dont worry)
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
Ummm...we have discovered where consciousness exists in our brain. Neuroscience has gone very far in the past 2 years.
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
I have so many complaints about D'Souza's arguments that I don't even know where to start. Firstly, Dennett never denied the existence of consciousness, he expressly stated so (he also slammed epiphenomenalism). Also, determinism doesn't rule out the kind of free will that matters, and it certainly doesn't ruin morality.
And why is it that even when I turn the volume down, Dinesh's voice is still so fucking loud?!
theocean1973 1 year ago
dennett clearly believes (enter straw man here) and this is clearly impossible because (enter arguement from ignorance, or incredulity here)
xMarchx31stx 1 year ago
Dinesh D'Souza -- You're out of your fucking league, son.
Claypoolkid666 1 year ago
So many anonymous barking dogs in these comments, so many insults, yet I've yet to see a single legitimate criticism of D'Souza. That's just plain sad. I thought atheists were rational.
Why are there so many virulent emotional insults?
GreyWolfLeaderTW 1 year ago
@GreyWolfLeaderTW The biggest criticisms of D'Souza's debates are his obvious lack of knowledge that he uses as arguments. He uses quotes from discredited documents and his rationalizing is absurd. His arguments really boil down to "I don't want to believe something that is not reassuring." Well life is tough and not reassuring. D'Souza is just someone who is afraid of the truth and wants things to be divine. Many people will go down with their ship and say absurd contradictions, like D'Souza
SmogHouseTradingCo 1 year ago
@GreyWolfLeaderTW I was thinking the same thing. But I don't think anyone really says much more than "He is loud and dumb" "He uses fallacies" Well explain why, don't just insult him. I think he actually presents a very strong argument. I'm in agreement overall with his position, I don't agree with everything he says though. I also agree with quite a bit of what Dennet says. But i'm willing to show a degree of objectivity and not just accept everything the person that I agree with says.
luvlatinmamis 1 year ago
@luvlatinmamis Because we get tired of repeating scientific facts just because people are too lazy to do any research themselves and stop at videos to get the "facts" they need. Especially with Dinesh. No 500 characters in the world will allow me to start to take his arguments apart.
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
@ImBackAJ20101 Don't make the assumption that just because I commented on a few videos I don't actually do any reading. I do quite a bit of reading. And though I'm a christian I will admit that there are many things that I disagree with that Dinesh says but I don't think it would be so easy to "take his argument apart". There is frustration on both sides. All insults really do is show a lack in mental dexterity and that you would rather throw a tantrum than keep your calm.
luvlatinmamis 1 year ago
@luvlatinmamis I keep my calm very well. But when you see a man throw the audience in logical loops to get his point across, it can be frustrating. Especially because many of those who would like to agree with Dinesh, will think he is making logical points. Even Dennett looked awestruck at time at the comments/arguments Dinesh made.
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
@luvlatinmamis And sorry, Did I accuse you of not reading? I dont see that accusation in my comment on this page. Unless Ive gone blind lol
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
@ImBackAJ20101 Since your comment was a reply to mine I felt it was directed at me. The funny thing is I figured you would say this shortly after my reply lol. Not everything that Dinesh says is logical in the sense of lacking fallacies but I feel that there are fallacies on both sides of the argument. So it works both ways, both sides will present logical arguments and illogical arguments(fallacious). Some more than others.
luvlatinmamis 1 year ago
@luvlatinmamis What fallacies did Dennet bring to light?
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
@ImBackAJ20101 For starters his beard is a fallacy lol. To answer that question would require me to watch this entire debate again which is something that I don't see myself doing right now to be quite honest. But I'd be happy to watch some of his replies some other day and tell you what I found to be fallacious.
luvlatinmamis 1 year ago
@luvlatinmamis Fair enough
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
@luvlatinmamis D'Souza knows full-well that some of his arguments are broken. He argues from ignorance, illustrating how we have no evidence as to the existence of the afterlife, but that it's ignorant to believe that nothing LIKE that could possibly exist. He then makes a HUGE jump to the assumption that because science doesn't possess every fact that could ever be known, therefore the Christian idea of heaven must be true and the Abrahamic god must be real.
DocBlasto 1 year ago
@ 2:20 no that was Christians!! In 1633 Galileo Galilei was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture,and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Pick up a History book idiot and next time you're sick Dinesh go buy a bucket of leeches!!!!! Captain Strawman
Cougar139tweak 1 year ago
@ 2:20 no that was Christians!! In 1633 Galileo Galilei was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture,and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Pick up a History book idiot and next time you're sick Dinesh go buy a bucket of leeches!!!!!
Cougar139tweak 1 year ago
It's great to be excited about something!
aerycksmusic 1 year ago
Dinesh, please stop shouting. It's like adding !!! to the sentences. It makes your argument weaker, not stronger.
conraderb 1 year ago 2
@conraderb Does the volume of your voice have the power to render your statements false? That's impressive! I can't change the truth either by shouting or whispering. A mere mortal myself, I must rely on the strength of my arguments. I suppose atheists don't have to rely on such weakly human powers.
dvc5797 1 year ago
@dvc5797 The loudness is not what makes it true or false, the loudness is a hint. A tool. Read-up on some psychology.
ImBackAJ20101 1 year ago
@dvc5797 Never said that. I'm just pointing out common debating technique. The person who is loudest often sounds more ridiculous. The fact that I disagree with Dinesh is incidental. If I agreed with Dinesh, I would still cringe a bit as his manner.
conraderb 1 year ago
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@dvc5797 Never said that. I'm just pointing out common debating technique. The person who is loudest often sounds more ridiculous. The fact that I disagree with Dinesh is incidental. If I agreed with Dinesh, I would still cringe a bit as his manner.
conraderb 1 year ago
dinesh is much smarter than the atheist monkeys.
LCXXXSR 1 year ago 2
You know, if D'Souza ever comes to my hometown, I'm going to buy an airhorn and run after him with it. Turnabout is fair play.
jkropfreiter 1 year ago
Bullshitter gone wild.
SlayingMinion 1 year ago
He gets louder because he is a preacher and taught to get to louder when piffle meets reality.
In other words, he gets louder when his BS contradicts reality.
danjrea 1 year ago 2
Dinesh claims that both he and dennett are fumbling around in the dark,lol,I dont think so.Believing in an invisible dieiy that you cannot touch,see ,feel or demonstrate is far more irrational than NOT believing in an invisible deity that you cannot see,feel,touch or demonstrate.
VaiRoth 1 year ago
At about 6:24 he starts destroying himself
Walabinx 1 year ago
He is loud because he is passionate. I think it is funny how he makes really good points, but yet everyone here on youtube accuses him of ignorance when they themselves are ignorant for just dismissing Dinesh's argument as nonsensical.
tpopalope 1 year ago
Seriously cannot stand Dinesh. Where can I buy a t-shirt that reads "The best part of waking up is Dinesh in your alarm clock."
McLarenF1God 1 year ago 2
If you don't decide to believe in god will god marry some one else? Dinesh is substituting analogies for evidence.
nak807 1 year ago
Dinesh, seriously. Why do guys like him always say that morality cannot be deciphered through science. Far from it. That notion is so far from the truth. By this logic, you'd have to put neuroscience up there with intelligent design.
McLarenF1God 1 year ago
oh, christ. he didn't really just use pascal's wager, did he?
022171 1 year ago
@022171 Pascal's wager is SOOO last century.
spase667 1 year ago
By now, I have no reason to believe that atheists have brains.
I have never seen one of their brains, so it must not exist.
0thereaper0 1 year ago