he who posts things about not enjoying this music and then starts writing something about other composers who are "better", doesn't understand how to listen to music.
@intervalkid I love monk. never could get into comeman though. to me most free jazz just sounds like some guy randomly standing up there making realy unpleasant squeaking sounds. that doesn't mean it sucks. just that I personally don't like it and I probably don't get it. this may surprise you, but there are some people who really like stuff like this, simply because they have an open mind and not to look cool I listen to the freakin beach boys for god's sake. how uncool is that!!! lol.
@intervalkid I've heard everything on here. from people ranting and raving about how much monk sucks, then go on talking about tristano for an hour, from someone who called contrane unmusical. hell I've even heard people say zappa sucks!!! I remember listening to barkok over and over again try to get it, not because I thought I'd be cooler, but because I could tell there was probably something tere I just didn't get, and eventually I did. I'm just saying try to keep an open mind.
@intervalkid either you like it or you don't. if you free your mind from perconceived notions about music, sometimes you'll allow yourself to enjoy stuff you might be surprised you do. sorry for calling you an idiot btw. I try to abstain from ad homonim attacks on here cause all they do is make the person dishing them out look stupid. I just don't like it when somebody hears something that doesn't fit with their definition of wha music out to be, then presumptuously assume the artist was
@mightyafrowhitey just being pretentious, and that everybody who listens to him doesn't really like the music but is simply trying to make himself look cool. sure there are unfortulately people like that out there with all forms of art but Im not one of them. whether it's the beatles of the balinese monkey chants I just listen to what like, bottom line.
Well There is no accounting for taste. I've listened to just about every type of music out there including stuff like this. I still hold the opinion (case in point: opinion) that this music sucks and that it is pretentious. There are many more qautlity percussive and sound oriented works out there. Personally I am not a fan of Cage and find him to be pretentious in the same way I find Warhol pretentious. I find his silet orchestra to be much like Warhols cans of soup.
@intervalkid You keep using that word pretentious, yet you seem to have no clue as to its meaning. John Cage was the opposite of a pretentious person. He was just an artist. Just because you don't get the meaning of something doesn't make it pretentious. You calling any art thats beyond your understanding "pretentious," rather than try to understand it at all.... well thats just being ignorant.
You see, that's what's pretentious. You are operating on the pretense that anyone who doesn't like this music can't understand it and the music "beyond their undestanding." You must have been one who didn't understand it at one point and was "enlightened" to it, so it being "beyond someone's understanding" isn't a point too far from your home.
@intervalkid Sure. At a point, I didn't get this music, but I did find it interesting, so I listened to a variety of 20th Century works, and as I listened, I found things that I really enjoyed. I built an understanding of how the music feels, and grew to really like listening to it. So yes, I still maintain that people who don't like it still don't understand it, and people who insult it are those who put forth no effort to try and get it.
@intervalkid I think its possible for anybody to enjoy music like Cage. Some just need to be eased into it a little bit, but if people like that give it a chance and don't write it off as pretentious (out of ignorance, you see, cause most people misuse that word, as you have been), they can find yet another kind of music to enjoy just as much as Beethoven or The Beatles or Dr. Dre or whatever they like. Also, even if I was being pretentious, that has nothing to do with Cage or his music.
@intervalkid btw, I'm not even talking about theoretical understanding of the music. I'm talking about intuitive, emotional understanding. Theoretical and technical understanding can help to learn why something was done in a work of art, and can also help you appreciate things, but it all goes toward better understanding of the emotion and ideas in a piece. Its the same as learning about Beethoven going deaf as he wrote certain works, and that adding to your understanding of the intense emotions
Another pretentious statement. You are basing that on the pretense that I didn't understand what you meant.
I always listen without analysing first. I just take in the sound and feeling. You presume you can teach me about basic things and therefore negate the possiblity of learning anything more.
The ignorance is you trying to be "cultured" when you don't have the taste or discernment to know the difference between truly expressive advant guard art and shit art. But I agree it's a pointless conversation.
@intervalkid I don't give a shit about being "cultured." I care about art that I enjoy, whether its John Cage or Frank Zappa or Beethoven or The Sex Pistols or Kanye West. Its all stuff I enjoy, and you're within your right to like or dislike any of them. You're also within your right to misjudge others based on your own prejudices, but I think it makes you a jerk.
Basically this "Just because you don't get the meaning of something doesn't make it pretentious. You calling any art thats beyond your understanding "pretentious," rather than try to understand it at all.... well thats just being ignorant." Your prejudice is that you assume that it's beyond someones understanding if they don't like it. Also that I call anything that's "beyond my understanding "pretentious". I had clearly stated that my position was my opinion in the post before.
@intervalkid I make that call because people who don't like it say they "don't get it" or they're the kind of people who say shit like "its just noise" or "its random notes.:" To me, that is obvious lack of understanding. Besides, if you genuinely understand something, you are in a far better position to appreciate and like it. Saying its stupid and pretentious shows ignorance about it. Especially calling John Cage pretentious. He's one of the least pretentious composers to ever live.
Well I've never met the man, but I still feel that works like "silent symphony" operate by the pretense that I've never listened to the sounds of silence or the sounds of an orchestra sitting there not playing. I don't think fifteen minutes or so of it is warranted as composition. Did you by chance listen to the Gamalan music I posted as reference? I am certain this piece was influenced by similar music. I don't hate John Cage and appreciate some of his works.
@intervalkid First of all, its not called "silent symphony" its called 4'33'', and its 4 minutes and 33 seconds, not 15 minutes. I tried to look (I've heard gamalan before) but the link didn't work. The thing about 4'33'' is it draws your attention to all the sounds around us that we typically ignore, the fact that there really isn't ever true silence, and also that all sounds, intended or unintended, can be musical and beautiful.
As I said it operates on the pretense that I've never listened to "silence" before and had never noticed that there are always sounds. Even in practically complete silence there is still the ring of your nerves and the rushing of your blood. You can make music out of that if you want. I noticed that when I was 6 or 7 years old. That's why the pretense of the piece 4'33" irritates me so. Assuming that people haven't noticed that and need to be shown in such a manner is insulting.
Maybe annoying would be better word. It is only slightly insulting to intelligence. It just seems to me like someone trying to explain 2+2=4 and acting like it's profound. Or someone trying to tell me that an airplane makes a sound.
@intervalkid Well this is an actual musical compostion so what are you bitching about exactly? Maybe you should take your well thought out, genius opinions to one of the many 4'33" videos on youtube, where the unenlightened can become enthralled by your stunning insights.
@intervalkid You know, by that logic, nobody should ever communicate with anybody else, because otherwise they are operating on the pretense that the other person knows their language, or is interested in their ideas.
Well that's why words have definitions and context defines the exactitude of their meaning. Inferrence and implication can be clear from operating statements as were the implications of 4'33" and the statements of
"Just because you don't get the meaning of something doesn't make it pretentious" after I said that I thought the piece was pretentious. Quite clear. Communication skills are based on statement, implication and inferrance and logic are the rules for inferrence.
Saved generations from what? Actually ciphering through nondiatonicism, hemiola, and polytonality?
Perhaps the 20th century avant guard composers were so frustrated by extremely vast world that these propose that they just said "let's condense" and didn't take the time to explore and extrapolate the possiblities.
Nonetheless though most of it (20th century avant guard music) probably isn't of lasting quality it did serve to open ears so is valuable nonetheless.
your art is not bad my friend, in fact the music as well as the art complements each other very equally. great video.
WeLiveToDanceAlone 4 months ago
Nice
Bravo
ixkey 5 months ago
nice! loved the pics as well :)
EmilyMaddenComposer 7 months ago
thank you for sharing the works, ElJardin84!
sunmosphere 9 months ago
Those pictures were nice. Interesting and emotional, but not overdone.
goldencricket 9 months ago
I enjoy the pictures.
nobodady1 1 year ago
he who posts things about not enjoying this music and then starts writing something about other composers who are "better", doesn't understand how to listen to music.
mermeladadecacahuate 1 year ago 2
The music is shit. The art looks like a disturbed 3 year old paintings. They are shit.
This is shit. More people have watched this bullshit than Chang's Brahms violin Concerto. Pitiful.
intervalkid 1 year ago
@intervalkid interval "KID"
sumausa 1 year ago
@sumausa
Oh word I don't like his opinion so I'm gonna say he's immature.
Pfft.
Say something that means something instead of listening to moronic music and looking at stupid pictures to feel "mature" and "open minded"
intervalkid 1 year ago
@intervalkid you're a fucking idiot
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
@mightyafrowhitey
Riiiiiiiight. I'm an idiot. Dude get your head out of your ass. This music sucks!
I don't care how much your feeble mind wants to be "opened"
Listen to some Thelonious Monk or Ornette Coleman if you wants some real sounds.
intervalkid 1 year ago
@intervalkid I love monk. never could get into comeman though. to me most free jazz just sounds like some guy randomly standing up there making realy unpleasant squeaking sounds. that doesn't mean it sucks. just that I personally don't like it and I probably don't get it. this may surprise you, but there are some people who really like stuff like this, simply because they have an open mind and not to look cool I listen to the freakin beach boys for god's sake. how uncool is that!!! lol.
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
@intervalkid I've heard everything on here. from people ranting and raving about how much monk sucks, then go on talking about tristano for an hour, from someone who called contrane unmusical. hell I've even heard people say zappa sucks!!! I remember listening to barkok over and over again try to get it, not because I thought I'd be cooler, but because I could tell there was probably something tere I just didn't get, and eventually I did. I'm just saying try to keep an open mind.
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
@intervalkid either you like it or you don't. if you free your mind from perconceived notions about music, sometimes you'll allow yourself to enjoy stuff you might be surprised you do. sorry for calling you an idiot btw. I try to abstain from ad homonim attacks on here cause all they do is make the person dishing them out look stupid. I just don't like it when somebody hears something that doesn't fit with their definition of wha music out to be, then presumptuously assume the artist was
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
@mightyafrowhitey just being pretentious, and that everybody who listens to him doesn't really like the music but is simply trying to make himself look cool. sure there are unfortulately people like that out there with all forms of art but Im not one of them. whether it's the beatles of the balinese monkey chants I just listen to what like, bottom line.
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
@mightyafrowhitey
Well There is no accounting for taste. I've listened to just about every type of music out there including stuff like this. I still hold the opinion (case in point: opinion) that this music sucks and that it is pretentious. There are many more qautlity percussive and sound oriented works out there. Personally I am not a fan of Cage and find him to be pretentious in the same way I find Warhol pretentious. I find his silet orchestra to be much like Warhols cans of soup.
intervalkid 1 year ago
@intervalkid You keep using that word pretentious, yet you seem to have no clue as to its meaning. John Cage was the opposite of a pretentious person. He was just an artist. Just because you don't get the meaning of something doesn't make it pretentious. You calling any art thats beyond your understanding "pretentious," rather than try to understand it at all.... well thats just being ignorant.
DarkZekeX 6 months ago
@DarkZekeX
You see, that's what's pretentious. You are operating on the pretense that anyone who doesn't like this music can't understand it and the music "beyond their undestanding." You must have been one who didn't understand it at one point and was "enlightened" to it, so it being "beyond someone's understanding" isn't a point too far from your home.
intervalkid 6 months ago
@intervalkid Sure. At a point, I didn't get this music, but I did find it interesting, so I listened to a variety of 20th Century works, and as I listened, I found things that I really enjoyed. I built an understanding of how the music feels, and grew to really like listening to it. So yes, I still maintain that people who don't like it still don't understand it, and people who insult it are those who put forth no effort to try and get it.
DarkZekeX 6 months ago
@intervalkid I think its possible for anybody to enjoy music like Cage. Some just need to be eased into it a little bit, but if people like that give it a chance and don't write it off as pretentious (out of ignorance, you see, cause most people misuse that word, as you have been), they can find yet another kind of music to enjoy just as much as Beethoven or The Beatles or Dr. Dre or whatever they like. Also, even if I was being pretentious, that has nothing to do with Cage or his music.
DarkZekeX 6 months ago
@intervalkid btw, I'm not even talking about theoretical understanding of the music. I'm talking about intuitive, emotional understanding. Theoretical and technical understanding can help to learn why something was done in a work of art, and can also help you appreciate things, but it all goes toward better understanding of the emotion and ideas in a piece. Its the same as learning about Beethoven going deaf as he wrote certain works, and that adding to your understanding of the intense emotions
DarkZekeX 6 months ago
@DarkZekeX
Another pretentious statement. You are basing that on the pretense that I didn't understand what you meant.
I always listen without analysing first. I just take in the sound and feeling. You presume you can teach me about basic things and therefore negate the possiblity of learning anything more.
intervalkid 6 months ago
@intervalkid yeah... its pointless to even talk with you. Hopefully one day you'll be less ignorant.
DarkZekeX 6 months ago
@DarkZekeX
The ignorance is you trying to be "cultured" when you don't have the taste or discernment to know the difference between truly expressive advant guard art and shit art. But I agree it's a pointless conversation.
intervalkid 5 months ago
@intervalkid I don't give a shit about being "cultured." I care about art that I enjoy, whether its John Cage or Frank Zappa or Beethoven or The Sex Pistols or Kanye West. Its all stuff I enjoy, and you're within your right to like or dislike any of them. You're also within your right to misjudge others based on your own prejudices, but I think it makes you a jerk.
DarkZekeX 5 months ago
@DarkZekeX
Dude. You are the one misjudging based on your own prejudices. I can guarantee you that. As for the Jerk, well, that was a funny movie.
intervalkid 5 months ago
@intervalkid What prejudice?
DarkZekeX 5 months ago
@DarkZekeX
Basically this "Just because you don't get the meaning of something doesn't make it pretentious. You calling any art thats beyond your understanding "pretentious," rather than try to understand it at all.... well thats just being ignorant." Your prejudice is that you assume that it's beyond someones understanding if they don't like it. Also that I call anything that's "beyond my understanding "pretentious". I had clearly stated that my position was my opinion in the post before.
intervalkid 5 months ago
@DarkZekeX
Here, check out the real shit
youtube.com/watch?v=LRS13e5R8GI
intervalkid 5 months ago
@DarkZekeX
The prejudice that anyone who doesn't like this music doesn't understand it.
intervalkid 5 months ago
@intervalkid I make that call because people who don't like it say they "don't get it" or they're the kind of people who say shit like "its just noise" or "its random notes.:" To me, that is obvious lack of understanding. Besides, if you genuinely understand something, you are in a far better position to appreciate and like it. Saying its stupid and pretentious shows ignorance about it. Especially calling John Cage pretentious. He's one of the least pretentious composers to ever live.
DarkZekeX 5 months ago
@DarkZekeX
Well I've never met the man, but I still feel that works like "silent symphony" operate by the pretense that I've never listened to the sounds of silence or the sounds of an orchestra sitting there not playing. I don't think fifteen minutes or so of it is warranted as composition. Did you by chance listen to the Gamalan music I posted as reference? I am certain this piece was influenced by similar music. I don't hate John Cage and appreciate some of his works.
intervalkid 5 months ago
@intervalkid First of all, its not called "silent symphony" its called 4'33'', and its 4 minutes and 33 seconds, not 15 minutes. I tried to look (I've heard gamalan before) but the link didn't work. The thing about 4'33'' is it draws your attention to all the sounds around us that we typically ignore, the fact that there really isn't ever true silence, and also that all sounds, intended or unintended, can be musical and beautiful.
DarkZekeX 5 months ago
@DarkZekeX
As I said it operates on the pretense that I've never listened to "silence" before and had never noticed that there are always sounds. Even in practically complete silence there is still the ring of your nerves and the rushing of your blood. You can make music out of that if you want. I noticed that when I was 6 or 7 years old. That's why the pretense of the piece 4'33" irritates me so. Assuming that people haven't noticed that and need to be shown in such a manner is insulting.
intervalkid 5 months ago
@intervalkid How is it insulting?
DarkZekeX 5 months ago
@intervalkid
Maybe annoying would be better word. It is only slightly insulting to intelligence. It just seems to me like someone trying to explain 2+2=4 and acting like it's profound. Or someone trying to tell me that an airplane makes a sound.
intervalkid 5 months ago
@intervalkid Well this is an actual musical compostion so what are you bitching about exactly? Maybe you should take your well thought out, genius opinions to one of the many 4'33" videos on youtube, where the unenlightened can become enthralled by your stunning insights.
jfleminator 4 months ago
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intervalkid 4 months ago
@intervalkid You know, by that logic, nobody should ever communicate with anybody else, because otherwise they are operating on the pretense that the other person knows their language, or is interested in their ideas.
DarkZekeX 4 months ago
@DarkZekeX
Well that's why words have definitions and context defines the exactitude of their meaning. Inferrence and implication can be clear from operating statements as were the implications of 4'33" and the statements of
"Just because you don't get the meaning of something doesn't make it pretentious" after I said that I thought the piece was pretentious. Quite clear. Communication skills are based on statement, implication and inferrance and logic are the rules for inferrence.
intervalkid 4 months ago
@intervalkid this shit music saved generations, and generated something that you won't be able to understand this lifetime. pitiful you!
sunmosphere 9 months ago
@sunmosphere
Saved generations from what? Actually ciphering through nondiatonicism, hemiola, and polytonality?
Perhaps the 20th century avant guard composers were so frustrated by extremely vast world that these propose that they just said "let's condense" and didn't take the time to explore and extrapolate the possiblities.
Nonetheless though most of it (20th century avant guard music) probably isn't of lasting quality it did serve to open ears so is valuable nonetheless.
intervalkid 7 months ago
The artwork really suits the music...very tribal.
sutphoe 2 years ago
great pictures. great music.
deemilieu 2 years ago
I actually really liked those pictures, who's the artist? Thanks for uploading this, btw.
cuervodka 2 years ago
these are my own pictures. how nice you like them. :)
ElJardin84 2 years ago
@ElJardin84 are they oil pastel and watercolor?
BPandTyler 1 year ago
@ElJardin84 I was quite impressed with the images as well!
aC1dxN1gHtM4rEs 2 months ago
@cuervodka
BPandTyler 1 year ago
i love them too. very capturing
bilbilg 3 months ago
geile musik
geile bilder
geiles outro
puschip 2 years ago
Dankedanke!
ElJardin84 2 years ago