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In Middle Eastern culture on the Arabian Penninsula, Mt Sinai is placed near Medina. It is very difficult to investigate this because of present day politics.
Now, we need to stop taking this so seriously. Have you ever read the bible, I'm sure it is a historical document, yet, it's GREATLY exaggerated. It was science and not a miracle that caused this, don't think of the Bible in such LITERAL terms.
You say the Bible's greatly exaggerated but there is proof that it isnt. For instance you say it was science, but I know of no natural event that transforms water into blood ie the biblical plague. There are two seperate accounts, one in the bible and one in the ipuwer papyrus. I'm not saying science is non existance but what im saying is that God spoke through Moses and the plagues happened as stated in the bible. Several things in this video points to that.
@sam3374@sam3374 Actually. There is such a thing that would turn the water red. It's called Red Tide.This is what happens during an Algae bloom. It DE-oxidizes the water so then, the fish can't breath, also it produces a nerve toxin that attacks the fish, in turn causing it to die. So when the red tide came in, the frogs felt the need to escape. Thus the frog epidemic, then without food, the frogs die, then the gnats, and then the flies. The flies were stable flies, bites, that caused boils.
yes I've heard of red tide but I haven't heard of such a event that turned the water red as the Bible describes. But lets say for a moment it was red, couldn't the egyptians tell the difference? I mean i think even in the ancient world red tide probably happened seasonly and wouldn't they be able to tell the difference between the water just being turned red and blood (which by the way isn't always the color produced by the algae). I'm just saying the algae turns it red, both accounts say blood.
The thing is Juniper again both accounts say blood perhaps you can explain it away if there was only the egyptian account, yet there is both the bible and the papyrus. And also when you repent it means that you turn away from sinning, that doesn't mean that you're suppose to keep doing it, and God knows we fall, but he's still there to forgive us.
@sam3374 Now here you will never be able to convince me that I need to take the bible litterally. I am sure that the events happened. However I do not believe. After going to church for 18 years, I take no thought to god. He is not in my life. I believe in science. Personally, I think that along the lines of, "sinning" we do it to ease our guilt. I have nothing to regret. I drink smoke and have pre-marital sex. I do not think I'm "going to hell." Because I don't believe in god, nor satan.
Well I understand, I'm just saying again two separate accounts state the same thing, that usually means the account to be true. And if I may ask if you do not take thought of God then why do you comment on and watch these videos which refer to God?
Because I'm not saying it didn't happen. I am merely stating that "God" had no hand in it. I don't see why everyone HAS to believe in God. Why can't I have my opinion? You can have and share yours without being ridiculed. But when I make one comment about how the bible shouldn't be taken so literally...and it turns into a huge debate. I'm stating that God had no part in the Exodus. Only science. Thats it. That's all I was trying to say.
Well i didn't say you can't have your opinion and stuff it just seems more than that. The Exodus is based on the tradition, and my belief fact that God delievered Israel from bondage. This story has many moral implications and it seems for someone who says that take no thought to God quite the opposite to me. I mean you would have to have some knowledge of the exodus and you willingly go to this video and comment on it. Basically you say you take no thought of God yet it seems to me that you do.
@101Juniper No one is saying you can't have your own opinion... We are just trying to bring you on to our side. You have NOTHING to lose by believing in God. Your comments just affirm your stupidity. The VAST majority of people believe in God and believe in a place called heaven and hell. If there was a fraction of a percent chance that I could be spending eternity in hell, I would seek after God with all I have. But maybe that is just common sense, something you obviously lack.
@101Juniper By the way, why don't you step back and look at every little aspect of your life. This happened by blind evolution and no brains behind it? The complexity of the human body happened without any brains?! . Since that is mathematically impossible, i wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket chief. Stop trying to be edgy and tell everyone how smart you are by not believing in God. Although I'm attacking you now, I really want you to see the truth. We want you on our side.
YEAH, Solomon was just a small tribe that also happened to built the 2nd Temple. The King James Bible has been translated from latin, which was translated from greek, which was translated from HEBREW. As to the Earth being only 6000 yrs old, "A day unto the Lord is a 1000 yrs". Yahweh (God) took 6 days to creat the Earth and all things upon it and rested on the 7th day... So you can add ANOTHER 7000 yrs... Youtube search "A Rood Awakening... LEARN.
If you read the rest of the verse it says"...and a thousand years are like a day." So it was a day the bible makes it clear I mean why do you think we have 7 days in a week. For instance we have 1 day because thats how long it takes for the earth to make 1 rotation, 365 days a year because thats how long it takes to make a full orbit around the sun, etc...
"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom." - Prof. Ze'ev Herzog, Tel Aviv University
I would much rather rely on the archaeological evidence of professors than a film made by fundamentalist Christian's whose whole entire world perspective revolves around this lie.
well the truth of the matter is who ever investigates will find these artifacts, this is documented proof not opinion. All you are putting up is opinion right now. There are ancient texts, archaeological sites, video and photographic evidence about the exodus.
Yeah, that guy sounds legit.. better believe everything he says lol. Overwhelming evidence proves otherwise. God bless.. I mean, "may the universe and karma be good to you" hahaha
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As to the coral grow rate,the following link shows that the grow rate is very slow on objects such as ships - matches the Exodus findings. The U boat 1277 is a 70 years old wreck from WWII.
Yeah i have looked that up a while ago and the bible is clear that solomon had a fleet of ships built near the red sea and had them docked there, or more specifically Ezion-geber which is located in the gulf of aqaba, not a reed sea, so its no mistake. I Kings 9:26-29
again Moses left egypht and went with his father in law who was a midianite High Priest. And just what was the midian god name? Jahve the volcano god. The bible is nothing but a jacking of the egyptian story.Hebrew is new lingo So what lingo was these people speaking 10 commandments could not have been written in hebrew .Biblical Hebrew Between the Early 6th
Century BCE and that Recorded in the Tiberian Masoretic Tradition (early 10th century. The flooding of the nile was called ARGHA NOA
@sam3374 The bible is my first proof. Rem moses spent 40 years with the midianite high priest jethro who was his father in law. Moses left egypht and came back with the knowledge he learned from the midianites. Jahve or jehovah was the midianite god. The Midianites worshipped a volcano. Read exodus very carefully and you will all the making of a volcano
Sorry i must have missed the part of the volcano in the bible. Also the bible makes it specifically clear that God contacted moses through a burning bush near a mountain, not a volcano. Secondly I would ask where you get this information that the midianites worshipped a volcano God because from what I read they worshipped many Gods. And I would ask when this belief was established, before or after the exodus.
@sam3374 i cant post links But just type in youtube Volcano God Then get your bible and follow along. Rem these people from that time were primitive compared to what we know today. Also research midianite tribe I can email you the links
I listened to the guy but his interpretation is pretty off. He ignores that there was a wall of water on the right and left sides Exodus 14:22, he even ignores what he read in the bible that God descended on the mountain with fire while a eruption is the contrary. He even ignores the location, and gives a poor excuse to it. If you investigate the claims that mt sinai is in arabia you can tell that its not volcanic and yet its burnt on the top...
@sam3374 Let me ask you this Do you think Adam and Eve where the first humans God created? If So go back and read Genesis 1:28 and tell me what does replenish means. The bible timeline covers nothing more then maybe 6000 years. The spinx is older then that. See the bible is nothing but a puzzle with many missing pieces. Just why is a need to believe their story? I do believe in jesus but i dont believe the old testament
Well yes i do believe and also science confirms that we came from 1 man and 1 woman mitochondrial eve Y-chromosomal Adam, not that I agree with the dates. And the thing with the spinx is that people dated it to be older yet they can be wrong and i believe they are since many times artifacts have been dated to wrong times. Lastly replenish there meant fill, in the old english it just meant to fill, in the original hebrew its fill. So if you do believe in Jesus read what he says in Luke 24:44
@sam3374 Hello, I saw your argument and was interseted... ^_^ I believe humans WERE around Adam and Eve. Scientists say humans first appeared (not in the form they're in now, but as a homo-erectrus) some 27,000 yrs ago in East Africa. Not too far from the geological location of the Garden of Eden at all! Notice God said He "placed them in the garden." And when Cain was exiled he said "Whoever so finds me will kill me!" Who? When Adam and Eve were the only ones existing at the time; or were they?
Well the only thing i really disagreed with on your first comment was the date 27,000. Secondly the bible did say where the garden of eden was, and i cant state this as a fact but the garden may have been destroyed in the flood, keeping that in mind the landscape of the earth now and then is most likely completely different since the flood...
@loop763 I ASK U THIS ..HOW DID THE WRITERS KNOW THIS WAYS THE WAY EARTH LOOKED WEN BEING FORMED AND THINK! (GENIESIS 1:1 ) MY QUESTION IS (GENESIS 1:1 THE EARTH WAS FORMLESS AND WASTE DARKNESS ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER)..SCIENTEST SAY LIFE STARTED FROM WATER.....SO MABEY GOD DIDNT TELL US EVERY THING THIS WAY WE COULD CARRY OUR BIBLES...MABY,MABY THINK! NO OTHER BOOK THIS OLD CAN DESCIBE THE BEGINING THIS WAY
...I bet this is clear but i'll list it down anyways, volcanoes dont talk, volcanoes dont time the destruction of armies and saves others at the same time, volcanoes dont feed a multitude of people in a desert for 40yrs. So I'm pretty sure just by reading the bible that this volcanic theory is plausible.
Um well you still haven't provided proof. And with the Argha Noa you haven't really proven that anyone stole it. The bible says that the whole world was covered in water, and if this happened then this would have stayed in the mind of the survivors (noah & his sons) so there would be many accounts of this.
@sam3374 Dude there are too many facts out there for you to even say prove it. Do your Research. The flood story is from the sumerian text , way way b4 any noah. Ok think about this we have fossils of dinsoars FActs. Did noah take dinsoars on the ark?. See the hebrews are johnny come lately. They are the only ones who took the story and put it on paper. Not one thing in the bible can be proven Not One Thing. Tell me where the ark is? Because the pyramids are still standing.
Well i do do research what i know of the sumerian text is that its dated older than the current Biblical texts. What this proves is that the sumerians wrote down their account first. Again all you show is similarities, and as I said many accounts of the flood exist, what this proves is that there was a global flood as the bible states...
Lastly many places that are no longer present which were well documented such as the library of alexandria. Not to say that the ark is no longer around just that I believe of it's existence because of the bible.
@loop763 Actually, I've read the actual translation and there's only a reference to the flood saying there was a man who survived the flood and discovered eternal life. I believe the Ark got bigger as the story progressed. Earth, in the Bible means "dirt, soil, ect." So the Hebrew writer had the flat perception of land. And if there perception is that all of the land is flooded, then Noah would have needed a bigger boat! All it would take is this question, "daddy, what about the other animals?"
Thirdly yes earth means dirt in hebrew, but the account was God's not of a man, note how the bible says all the springs of the great deep were broken up, really only God could have known that. We can know as well that the flood was global due to the fact that the bible also says in Gn 6:17, "I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish."
@sam3374 Well, I understand you are a Bible litteralist. ^_^' How we read and comprehend the Bible really plays a huge role in our Christiandom. I'd just like to recommend a book "And God Said What?: An Introduction to Bible Litterary Forms" by Margaret Nutting Ralph. ;) I'd also like to warn you, that limiting yourself to a strict fundamentalist view will make scientific trustworthyness hard to reconcile with your spirituality, and that can be dangerous....
I'd recommend if you are a believer and truly saved then stay away from anything outside of the bible that says that the bible isn't meant to be taken Lieteral..this is a LIE from the Devil...
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN Actually, this is my own deduction judging by the style by which parts of Scripture are written. Dr. Margaret Nutting Ralf is simply a very informitive person who's put this perspective to pen in her book. I think it's absolutely obvious that the six day creation, Adam and Eve, Noah's flood, ect, are allegories. I admire your faith, however, the psalmist wrote, "It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way." -Psalm 19:2
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN You don't need to attack my claim for salvation simply because you were raised after the fundamentalist movement that so greatly influenced protestantism. (Which I am protestant, btw.) I have my salvation. Faith in Christ as Savior from my sins, that He is God incarnated, and live with His love in my heart. It's clear elements from Genesis, such as the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" is an abstract representation of sin, and the serpent as satan. Ect. It's an allegory.
@MrZetterlund777 why do you think that adam and eve and the serpent is allegorical? I mean, the rest of the OT is true, so why don't you think that is? (I actually want to know)
@pursueproverbs31 Allegory doesn't necessarily mean fiction. Keep that in mind. Yes, I do believe in a litteral Adam, a litteral Eve, a litteral garden paradise, ect. But the characters of the story clearly represent abstract qualities to represent certain concepts. Example: Serpent = Satan "Cursed are you to crawl on your belly and eat dust forever more!" This echoes the fall of Satan, NOT the generational cursing of all snakes forever. They don't suffer for not having legs.
@pursueproverbs31 Yes, but as a historical context I don't ask myself how litteral this is. I don't believe all snakes crawl on their bellies as a result of serpent demonic possesion. Satan has no meantion in the book of Genesis, but is there as an abstract character in an allegorical tale.
@MrZetterlund777 Wait, so basically you do believe the literal meaning? That Satan was in the form of the serpent, and that the cursing was meant for him alone.?
Well, I guess it's not technically literal. But if you take Genesis 3:15 as "allegorical" (which everyone does) Then verse 14 has to be too, right?
@pursueproverbs31 In short, I'm not dismissing these stories because they sound "fantastical" or "fictional", but I'm putting them in their proper form of literature.
@pursueproverbs31 It is really wrong linguistically to force ANY story, essay, book in any language to be ALL literal or ALL metaphorical. The Bible is quite clear with prophets, apostles and even Jesus himself referring to creation as a literal historical event with Adam and Eve being literal people and we have evidence of this as well. The identity of the serpent is not as clear, but it seems that Satan took possession of the serpent and as a symbol of Satan, snakes were cursed.
@dotoree I didn't say that a whole story, book, or essay had to be all literal or metaphorical?.... I said Genesis 3:14,15 were. And I know that Adam and Eve is literal and that the serpent was [possessed by] satan. I was just trying to understand the other view.
And yes, I do believe that the flood actually happened and that the earth is only about 6000 years old. I'm NOT one of those Hugh Ross types. :/
@MrZetterlund777 I think it's absolutely obvious that the six day creation, Adam and Eve, Noah's flood, ect, are allegories
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As a lifelong Christian, professor and volunteer pastor, I must tell you that anybody who says a 6 day creation and Adam and Eve are allegories, is simply biblically illiterate. Allegoricizing parts of the Bible that Jesus, prophets and apostles refer to in literal ways is not safe or biblical at all. We also have powerful evidence for believing they are literal.
@dotoree Uh.... No we don't have powerful evidence that they litterally true. -_- Sorry. If you believe in a continent engulping global flood, then you have alot of sediment to answer for. If you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, then you must reject many revelations in cosmology, biology, geology, carbon 14 dating and radiometric dating. If we look for messages behind the stories, then they hold more meaning. (Continued above.)
@dotoree For example: I don't it's entirely necessary for a man to be litteraly killed for working on the Sabbath, because that's the day tht the Lord rested. However, seven in Hebrew traditions is a number of fullness and completion. Essentially, it serves as saying the Lord blessed us with a beautiful world, and we should set aside a day of rememberence and observence.
@MrZetterlund777 Some of the laws in the OT had to be severe because the slaves weren't used to obeying unless there were severe consequences for not obeying. It was NOT God's preferred way to act. This is a great video on the interaction between freedom and choice:
watch?v=vh6YcmNWM_4
Yes, 7 is a symbol of completion and the real Sabbath, Saturday (the only day godly people in the Bible worshipped on), is a memorial and anniversary to God's creative power and incredible love for us.
@dotoree Yes, I know this all full and well. If you ever debate an atheist over why slavery is condoned in the "holy" Bible -as they'll put it- You can say "Yeah, it's easy to object to this now, after all, you have the benefits of the industrial revolution, if we had this debate just 1400 years ago, you'd have to send your 'indentured servant' for me to recieve this message from you." :)
Btw, the book of Acts says clearly they worshipped on "the first day of the week." i.e. Sunday.
@MrZetterlund777 A) The disciples met and broke bread together ONCE on Sunday in Acts 20:7. Google and read: "Did the Apostles Abandon Sabbath And Keep Sunday Instead?"
2) Biblical slavery was in most cases a welfare system with extremely high rights and freedoms for the more accurately termed "indentured servants". No other nation has ever given higher rights to servants or slaves that I know. Modern slavery has about as much to do with biblical slavery as modern "gay" does to happiness.
@dotoree Lol. Well, that's evidence of communion being taken in service. i.e Why I converted to Catholicism. ^_^ Christians don't need to keep he Sabbath, and we don't keep it on Sunday, either. Hence, you go to church. Not supposed to go ANYWHERE during Sabbath. Not supposed to use internet either. -_- We're not under the law of Moses but the grace of God that comes by faith in Jesus Christ.
@MrZetterlund777 Have you read Mark 7:5-13. How does that reconcile with the Catholic position of putting tradition above scripture? Who do you trust to give you eternal life, the church or Jesus? That's a crucial question to answer. You have made up rules that don't exist in the Bible in the other case. The law Moses was given and Paul were given are one and the same. More later.
@dotoree Ah, yes. This is going to be fun. ^_^ I trust JESUS with my salvation, which is WHY I'm Catholic. Because I believe in the church Christ appointed to St. Peter when He said: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on the earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heavenn." (Matt. 16:18-19)
@dotoree So to answer your question, we use tradition cause Jesus SAYS we can. (oh!) You can call us Pharresies all you want, but TRADITION sure did keep the Holy Eucharist alive in church service as it's seen in Acts 20:7. Hm.... Why don't PROTESTANT churches take communion during service? -_- But hey, it's cool. I guess rapid-fire sermons are what's "in" right now. -_-
@dotoree "The law Moses was given and Paul were given one and th same"
Read Acts 15:24. Those vigorous to the Law of Moses usu. misinterprit Matt. 5:17-18. It's important to remember that during the earthly ministry of Jesus, the world was still under the law of Moses. Jesus said, "Do not think I have come to destroy the Law of the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to FULFILL. For assuredly I say to you, not one jot or title will dissappear from the law UNTIL all is FULFILLED."
@dotoree So notice, the Law is supposed to pass when it is "fulfilled." That is why at Jesus' death, He yelled "It is finished!" In John 19:30. Read this parrelel to the prophecy in Jeremiah 31:31-34 Good luck. ;)
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN The Bible IS meant to be taken literal in places like Genesis, but it also most definitely has metaphorical parts and some parables/allegories, etc. Every language does and so does the Bible.
Firstly yes the bible was translated right, compare it to the dead sea scrolls. Secondly the bible is more than that its also a historical book, a scientific book, poetic book, prophetic book, etc... also watch the language on here please.
Just to note, someone named DukeofLowland has uploaded a much higher quality version of Exodus Revealed in 7 parts here just over a month ago. It's probably time to move on from this one posted by Sam.
Sam3374 I admire how you kept your cool with an ignorant person who's only pleasure is out of starting trouble about a subject they're clearly ignorant n 1sided on,having no desire 2come2an objective conclusion about.And Ueven made very logical points 2which he could only insult a CLEARLY NON CHILDISH(on ur part) conversation 2hide his fear n back out. Dont worry Sam, God says Lazyness n Ignorance wont be a valid excuse in the end.SMART ppl look@both sides of the issueTHUROLY2deduct conclusions!
On that last note,"The Lord has made evrything4its own purpose,Even the wicked4the day of evil"Prvb16:4. If you're not out there saving souls n teaching the word while you have the physical and mental ability too, but instead arguing w/those whom R Arguing4the sake of it n have no intention or desire 4 TRUTH, then in this war of Good vs Evil, who R U letting win?If the wicked R distracting U 4rm ur purpose,well thats exactly what satan wants.Use the time2pass ur test here my friends,help us win!
@liza:theres only so much 1 can say w/ 500 characters,sum editing had 2B done, but u got the jist of the point Im sure.+PLUS+ u just proved my point about ur defenses being shallow & personal attacks rather than logical ones.Useem2B1 of those "waste of times" i talked about..Goodluck w/ ur judgemental spiteful,angry,blaming every1else 4 ur problems,life uve cre8d.May Peace knowledge n wisdom find u1day,wen u realize whos fault ur hate n imaturity isngrow^<3
Wow: you want the opinion of the most famous archaeologist from Israel, professor at the univ of Tel-Aviv.--- Zeèv Herzog É Look it up. Then maybe you will see that exodus is nonsense.
Wow, you actually got what I was saying, yes I do know more about the exodus than that rabbi. And also these archaeologists you keep mentioning dont even look in the right spots for the graves, they look in the sinai penn while they should be looking for in arabia. Its like me looking for U.S. civil war graves in canada. This rabbai should look at this film then, and others in reference with these findings.
sam3374: Man before you open your mouth, have a look at the map will ya. You don`t even know your geography. Rabbis are wrong, archaeologists are wrong, but mr Sam3374. HE KNOWS. Go back to your Madrassah.
I'm wrong lol?, Its not what I'm saying, its in the video/bible. People like you just pretend its not there, ask yourself, have this rabbi, and professor even watched these documentaries? They go against the very thing the bible says, why should I believe them, because they say they're experts, I go with the findings, not opinion.
On Passover last Sunday, Rabbi David Wolpe raised that provocative question before 2,200 faithful at Sinai Temple in Westwood. He minced no words. "The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants
Wow his opinion is fact then right? Yeah being sarcastic, he's basically wrong. those archaeologists dont even mention these findings they just ignore it.
sam3374 About 500.000 (some say 2 million) israelites roamed the desert for 40 years. The average lifespan at that time was no more than 45 years. So during that trip about 400.000 must have died. Where are the graves. Where are the bones : NONE were found. Desert dry sand is excellent to preserve stuff.
sam3374--Wow his opinion is fact then right? Yeah being sarcastic-- Should I conclude that YOU know more about the bible than this Rabbi . Congratulations.
Sam, The xmas holiday was founded in idolatry. What they attempted to turn it into does not negate the paganism involved in it. Putting the birth of The Son of God on a pagan day, and when it comes to the Romans, Saturnalia is specifically the pagan component in it, was pure blasphemy! It was done so to not unnerve the new church members. They were wrong then, and it is wrong now. Relabeling is what has been done, at best. The following is what the KJV Bible says.
You dont even know how i celebrate christmas sir, i personally dont use a tree, or anything. Secondly I am aware of the pagan traditions involved yet this is how i celebrate christmas, "I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people...a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord...Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God." I try to always be greatful that my savoir was was born, and I see nothing wrong in commemorating it.
Sam, then you should do it on a completely different time then when it was conveniently placed on. I have no time for pagan practices that humans dare place My Lord And Savior's Birth and Name on to make it acceptable to the blind masses. If you will excuse me, I'm battling with a Nation of Islam member now about Allah creating Jesus! Religion is a no win scenario on this putrid rock! Everyone thinks they have it right! I do like talking with you though My Brother! At least you believe in Jesus!
As Jesus himself said, "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" You are disputing the time, time isnt important. When the pharisees complained about the disciples getting stuff to eat that also involved a time issue. No matter on the day Jesus was born, and glory to God everyday for that including on christmas. And I dont have it right, but I know the Bible has it right, and no other book does.
Sam, SABBATH? WOW, that coming up surprises me! The Sabbath was changed by man, not God or Jesus! He worshiped on Saturday till He ascended to Heaven. I'm no pharisee and sadducee! Again my friend, I don't agree with my former church, a day won't save you. If it will, all my 1st Day friends are doomed! I don't believe God functions that way, though the Bible could lead me to believe otherwise. You get where I'm going? As far as Xmas, its clean to me, and it involves man, not Jesus.
I dont think you get my point with the sabbath. You are arguing for one day(christmas) you're telling me I should do it another day. So again you're saying do it another day not on dec. 25. Now what I'm saying is that anyday including dec 25 I give thanks for the birth of my savior. Just as the disciples picked grain on the sabbath.
I get your point Sam. Maybe you don't get mine. I accept your position as it is the same of many, like my mom. I personally see the Original Church for what it did. There is no escaping the pagan foundation of the day they selected to place The Name and Birth of Jesus on. Saturnalia!?!? If you see it as a simple matter, that is your position. I take paganism and idolatry that found its way into Christianity very seriously because the Israelites made the same mistakes over and over.
I agree with you on the date thing, and I respect it. But the important thing to me is that the Bible is the only author ship of truth out of all the rest. I agree about the idolatry as well, yet I'm also against the mixing of things into christianity that doesn't originate at all from the Bible.
Sam, as you know, we agree on just about everything. I would have gotten back to you earlier but I had to get some sleep, plus I was banging heads with various heretic Nation of Islam individuals on multiple fronts. I'm currently breaking down Jesus as seen through the Qur'an. The argument is clearly about mere labels. Their book says Allah willed his existence. That clearly doesn't make Jesus His Son to them! There's No Logic There At All, and it would seem I'm not moving the NOI at least! LOL
Sam, by the way, and as you know, it's always a pleasure my man! Hit me back later. I may be gone for the next day or so but we'll catch up eventually. RESPECT!
Well thats another disagreement with the Bible and the quran, about Jesus. The Bible says he's God, and again I looked into the quran, several contradictions in there, thats why i dont believe it. Respect to you too sir
Hi Sam, you're correct, and it ties into my current argument with some of those Racist NOI Members. The Qur'an states "GOD thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is." To me, and given the fact artificial incrimination wasn't available at that time, that makes Jesus The Son of God. Muhammad's opinion on His Death is also an area of concern. He thought our ways were too wicked for God to ask so much of Jesus. I think that compromises His Mission.
Sam&My rise,I have 1 thing that mite bringUsum peace.Bible says correct those in opposition w/ kindness &gentilness 2tim2:24,Gal6:1,Tit3:2,1pt3:15. It also says God seeks those who seek Him. And if we're spreading the gospel then it should be to those who R looking. Do U think God wants U2waste the time hes given U by arguing w/ lost causes?Is it a good christian to get angry?argue?force opinions?Hows that blameless?thats givin them negative amo against U.PEACE brethren.B A LIGHT2THE WORLD
Ari, Sam is my guy. There is no quam between us. We had one of the most pleasant conversations I've had in a long time about theology. We don't have to agree on everything. Not many denominations do here in the west for that matter. I concur with much of what you say here. On other pages though, I do go ballistic when I run into heretic dogs supposedly coming in the name of God. Sam is not that person though. Your commentary is refreshing my friend.
Oh i figured you2were friends, I was talking about the going ballistic on people comming in the name of God.Rmber when apostles came to J.C saying ppl were casting out demonds in His name(even tho they werent TRUE followers)wat did J.C respond?"leave them be", interestin no? Denominations shudnt agree the word "denomnation"="part of" only the true church J.C founded has "one mind one religion"
Oh and please dont take me as insulting or judging your behavior, i just wanted2bring peace.Ican fully understand going ballistic, I had a prob with it myself in the beginning of learning the knowledge ive learned.But experience showed that it did nothing but give ppl ammo against my "self-control" n make myself frusterated and starting to hate n get angry,the 2 worst things a christian can do, i found no fruit came out of it.thats all I meant2do,Im glad i can bring something new2the table
Jeremiah 10 verse 1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
The bible does not say love your enemy "all the time", it clearly advocates the genocide of every man woman child and animal in the lands they conquered under Joshua.
But I guess they could love them and still kill them, since god told them too.
I see theres no fualt in people saying things without substance. Number one its not what im saying, its what the bible says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. 'But I tell you: Love your enemies.. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good" So yes in the old testament thats what it said, but Jesus said love, so thats what we do now, different times.
I grew up Seventh Day Adventist (SDA). My former group thought they were the Remnant Church as do many denominations here in the West that sprung from The Protestant Reformation Movement. That event in itself is one reason why we have so many denominations, and versions of the Bible that are backed by these various Western Denominations. SDA taught that worshiping on Saturday was a mark from God while worshiping on Sunday was the mark of the beast that would lead one to Hell in the last days!
Jesus said, "small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life" So for sure i know that the quran isnt that road, quite the opposite. And to show you how much I already looked into it I'll quote you 2 passages, "Fight against those who believe not in Allah" and "O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you" So in short I dont follow things that are false, only the Bible, and I'll end with what Jesus said, "But I tell you: Love your enemies..."
Sam, Truth be told, what is so wrong with what the Qur'an says there. Let's not forget The Crusades My Brother. All have fallen short of the grace of Allah at some point. One thing is for certain, I honorably battle atheist and those that slander El here on YT all the time, which is basically what is being suggested by the Qur'an. I could offer up countless text where the Bible demands we address not only the disbelievers, but those that deliver the message for their own motives, not God's.
Whats wrong with it? The thing is that what the Bible says is to love your enemies, not slay them. Also the crusades are not in the Bible. You say you can find verses addressing disbelievers but where does it say to fight them, as it does in the quran, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" Lastly you just pointed out the differences between the Bible and quran, thats my point, only one can be true. I've looked in to the quran myself, it's false, contradictory, the Bible is not.
Sam, what is the exact verse in the Qur'an where this wording is found? Usually, when people offer Biblical verses validating some point they're making, I read long before and after so that it is taken in context, in totality. I wonder, is this Qur'an backed call to arms about invading other nations or is it about repelling those that enter what they consider holy lands? There are plenty of cultist Muslims out there that benefit by taking the Qur'an out of context as there have been Christians.
I think it was talking about in war time, yet the point of me putting this out is that the quran was written after the Bible, yet the Bible says again love your enemy, all the time. Yet the quran says slay them, that is not Christian, its in directly against what the Bible says, it really doesn't matter in what context, it goes against it either way. Also its found in surah 9:5. And there is a clear distinction between call to arms and slay.
Hi Sam. The OT has very similar wording when it comes to war. The migration of the Original Israelite in itself was a shock and awe campaign. Wording not long after the then "Unaltered 10 Commandments" reveals how to engage nations and how to handle slaves. Its some eye opening stuff. Both Books say things that have been interpreted in countless ways by mere human beings. Look at how the "Ham Curse" was interpreted by Christian Slave Masters. All have failed Our Creator at some point my friend.
Sam, I truly don't believe that any day of worship will save anyone! My childhood was filled with thoughts about what would happen to all my 1st Day Worshiping friends because SDA claimed they were doomed. The one thing I know SDA had right was the Official Day of worship. Jesus worshipped on it also, and man changed it. Their explanations for doing so clearly isn't backed by the Bible. Sabbatarians still believe it is highly slanderous to God when His Word and Laws are altered. Just a thought.
I have looked into several religions, because basically the Bible says, "test everything" So I do, and I found that the Bible is the only true out of things like the quran, hinduism, the egyptian religion, evolution, greek/roman religion, etc.. Man has interpreted the Bible in many ways, but I just try to go with what the Bible says in regards to stuff like this, "declares the LORD,..."Before me no god was formed, nor will there be." No allah, no apollo, buddah or whatever, just the Lord Jesus.
Hi Sam, I believe the Bible is possibly the most excepted version of the truth. That is the case rather it is the Torah, the original Septuagint, the Catholic Vulgate, the KJV and it's variants, with or without The Apocrypha, and all the other versions that have come since then. Point is, I no longer waste time attempting to lionize one version or denomination. Sheep in many flock to me means God loves us all, and heaven will be a very diverse place with Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, Animist...
The truth is thats not the truth, again what the Bible says, "It is by the name of Jesus Christ ...for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." In all that, no buddah, no allah, or whatever else, just Jesus, thats pretty clear to me, "no other name"
Sam, I will offer up the same question I have to my mother. If that is the case, and only those who know of Jesus can be saved, MILLIONS will die! Why would God create millions of people for no apparent reason other than to destroy them when The End of Time Judgment is here? Again, my former denomination believed in not only Jesus, but keeping the laws the way Jesus did, specifically the 7th Day He worshiped on during His entire time on this rock. I personally think they are also wrong.
It's not God's fault that millions might possibly be lost the Bible itself says, "God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved.." Its man's fault. And you yourself say it, "I personaly think" when the Bible goes very much against what you think.
Sam, you lost me my man because I've never blamed the transgressions of man on Our Creator! Man will let you down every time! Man will pay for many things they've committed on this rock, in God's Name! What do you mean, the Bible goes very much against what I think? I said I personally think about my former denomination! By your wording, am I now to believe that you are doing exactly like Jesus and not conforming to Xmas/pagan Roman Holidays, and keeping the Original Sabbath? Just a thought.
Well you said "if thats the case" And it is the case that Jesus is the only way, so thats why I said it that way, and it wouldnt be Gods fault. Yes the bible goes against what you think a that Jesus is not the only way. And I see nothing wrong in celebrating the birth of Christ, yet there are certain aspects that people do in christmas that i don't agree with, ex) wrting letters to santa. I would recommend just praying to Jesus in that regards.
Sam, then God is one who will create billions of human beings throughout history that never had a chance of getting into Heaven! That is not rational on any level and does not describe a God that loves. It describes an exclusive love and I will never believe that Our Creator feels that way. If I did, I could side with my Former Denomination about 7th Day Worship, and I do not, though there response is almost verbatim to yours when I speak on that one issue. My prayers are between God and I.
Sam, know that I'm truly enjoying our convo here, even if we don't agree on everything. I believe man has failed Our Creator, and in multiple forms. I don't feel that there is one faith that has God on speed dial and is the surefire way of being saved. That's what my former denomination felt, and if they're correct, countless 1st Dayers will perish in hell in the end of times. Christians and Muslims take parts of Holy Text and run with it for their own Faith based reasons. God will handle it.
Well I'm glad you are enjoying it, thats good. O believe that the Bible and quran are not able to mix, only one can be true, I and in a way you acknowledge that. All have fallen short of the glory of God the Bible says that. And I am aware of what the Bible says in regards of slaves, and the Exodus. Yet those were basically times before Jesus, not to say to do away with everything in the OT, but Jesus came and now there are things that are no longer needed. In particular we are told to love.
Sam, this is some good stuff you leave here, though I still disagree with you on some points. Jesus said many thing that raise questions. Questions Only He Or His Father Can Answer For Us, IN PERSON. Before one of the greatest verses in the Bible that describes Hashem's Love for us all John 3:16, Jesus offers His position in verse 13 on ascension into heaven. Christianity teaches the contrary, and about a number of patriarchs in the Bible. There are no ulterior motives in my pointing this out.
Cont. moving on, you should be able to gather why I'm as open minded. I take faith in, and in totality, not through a narrow minded approach of some denominationally proclaimed perfected version of the message of Elohim! Each denomination thinks they have the one correct message. All will instantly stand united and make hasty generalizations against Islam though. By the way, I prefer the Septuagint as it was the first Bible! That said, Jesus clearly spoke of sheep in many flock!
S#, I'm not a Muslim, but I know a bit about them. I decided to learn for myself verses listening to others, specifically after 911. The word Allah is generally accepted by theologians, scholars, and more so by millions of Muslims around this putrid rock as meaning God. There are countless other names Our Creator is known by. Have you ever read exactly what the Qur'an states about Jesus? I was shocked myself.
Yeah i do actually know about it, but the Bible is the only true book for me. I've seen a quran, and I know its has false things in it. And I only care of the names of God in the bible like Jesus, God, Emanuel, etc.. I dont care about anything outside of it.
S#, understood, but there is much clarity to be sought when taking in the entire Bible, whichever version one is using. The NT mentions many times that we are to seek the truth when it comes to The Word. This is what I do, and specifically based on how I was raised because I started picking up on the inconsistencies with my own denomination very early on. No message is perfect. Only God can judge. The Most High has many names and I love them all. My other two posts respectfully adds to this.
maybe I'm not in the right spot to ask this but, why is it that people can believe in the Devil, evil spirits, walking dead & witch craft but, when you talk about Jesus Christ & his being crucified, dieing then coming back, why do they such a hard time getting with that? Look, I may not be the christian I should be but let me tell ya somethin, Jesus is real, Jesus died for us,He gave it all for us so why have such a hard time with the idea? when you feel Love, that's God in your heart.
God may not care who wins football games, but I'm pretty sure His Mother does, and her name is Notre Dame.
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tommerrigan1956 1 month ago
Galatians 4:25, Arabian peninsula.
TheAgateman1 2 months ago
great explanation!!!!!
TheMartinez1948 4 months ago
is that spock doing the narration?
biomechanical1976 4 months ago
Thank you, I saw this years ago and loved it! I cried the first time I watched it.
LibertyTreeGal 5 months ago
The best YouTube videos confirming the truth of God's word you can find in my channel's playlist Creation vs Evolution. Click on "more info" in that playlist, have a nice time watching and may God bless you.
mikilavush 8 months ago
In Middle Eastern culture on the Arabian Penninsula, Mt Sinai is placed near Medina. It is very difficult to investigate this because of present day politics.
khadijagwen 9 months ago
To all those out there that doubt that the Word of God is true, I have only one thing to say to you. IT IS NOT FOR UNBELIEVERS.
MrAaronApodaca 10 months ago 2
Checkout PROPHECY-dot-ORG and PROPHECIES-dot-ORG for the Messages of God to His people and the world. Its very critically urgent!
Ezra1Jesus1Disciple 11 months ago
Now, we need to stop taking this so seriously. Have you ever read the bible, I'm sure it is a historical document, yet, it's GREATLY exaggerated. It was science and not a miracle that caused this, don't think of the Bible in such LITERAL terms.
101Juniper 11 months ago
You say the Bible's greatly exaggerated but there is proof that it isnt. For instance you say it was science, but I know of no natural event that transforms water into blood ie the biblical plague. There are two seperate accounts, one in the bible and one in the ipuwer papyrus. I'm not saying science is non existance but what im saying is that God spoke through Moses and the plagues happened as stated in the bible. Several things in this video points to that.
sam3374 11 months ago
@sam3374 @sam3374 Actually. There is such a thing that would turn the water red. It's called Red Tide.This is what happens during an Algae bloom. It DE-oxidizes the water so then, the fish can't breath, also it produces a nerve toxin that attacks the fish, in turn causing it to die. So when the red tide came in, the frogs felt the need to escape. Thus the frog epidemic, then without food, the frogs die, then the gnats, and then the flies. The flies were stable flies, bites, that caused boils.
101Juniper 11 months ago
yes I've heard of red tide but I haven't heard of such a event that turned the water red as the Bible describes. But lets say for a moment it was red, couldn't the egyptians tell the difference? I mean i think even in the ancient world red tide probably happened seasonly and wouldn't they be able to tell the difference between the water just being turned red and blood (which by the way isn't always the color produced by the algae). I'm just saying the algae turns it red, both accounts say blood.
sam3374 11 months ago
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They ancient egyptians used words that they would be able to describe it. Red LIKE blood.
101Juniper 10 months ago
The thing is Juniper again both accounts say blood perhaps you can explain it away if there was only the egyptian account, yet there is both the bible and the papyrus. And also when you repent it means that you turn away from sinning, that doesn't mean that you're suppose to keep doing it, and God knows we fall, but he's still there to forgive us.
sam3374 10 months ago
@sam3374 Now here you will never be able to convince me that I need to take the bible litterally. I am sure that the events happened. However I do not believe. After going to church for 18 years, I take no thought to god. He is not in my life. I believe in science. Personally, I think that along the lines of, "sinning" we do it to ease our guilt. I have nothing to regret. I drink smoke and have pre-marital sex. I do not think I'm "going to hell." Because I don't believe in god, nor satan.
101Juniper 10 months ago
Well I understand, I'm just saying again two separate accounts state the same thing, that usually means the account to be true. And if I may ask if you do not take thought of God then why do you comment on and watch these videos which refer to God?
sam3374 10 months ago
@sam3374
Because I'm not saying it didn't happen. I am merely stating that "God" had no hand in it. I don't see why everyone HAS to believe in God. Why can't I have my opinion? You can have and share yours without being ridiculed. But when I make one comment about how the bible shouldn't be taken so literally...and it turns into a huge debate. I'm stating that God had no part in the Exodus. Only science. Thats it. That's all I was trying to say.
101Juniper 10 months ago
Well i didn't say you can't have your opinion and stuff it just seems more than that. The Exodus is based on the tradition, and my belief fact that God delievered Israel from bondage. This story has many moral implications and it seems for someone who says that take no thought to God quite the opposite to me. I mean you would have to have some knowledge of the exodus and you willingly go to this video and comment on it. Basically you say you take no thought of God yet it seems to me that you do.
sam3374 10 months ago
@101Juniper No one is saying you can't have your own opinion... We are just trying to bring you on to our side. You have NOTHING to lose by believing in God. Your comments just affirm your stupidity. The VAST majority of people believe in God and believe in a place called heaven and hell. If there was a fraction of a percent chance that I could be spending eternity in hell, I would seek after God with all I have. But maybe that is just common sense, something you obviously lack.
aaronpatterson33 2 months ago
@101Juniper By the way, why don't you step back and look at every little aspect of your life. This happened by blind evolution and no brains behind it? The complexity of the human body happened without any brains?! . Since that is mathematically impossible, i wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket chief. Stop trying to be edgy and tell everyone how smart you are by not believing in God. Although I'm attacking you now, I really want you to see the truth. We want you on our side.
aaronpatterson33 2 months ago
@101Juniper God created science just like he created you but that's your problem YOU BELIEVE SCIENCE IS GOD and I believe God is God!!!
thebig1 10 months ago
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You know, all mankind wants is some way to put the problem off. Someway to "repent" so that they can feel better about "sinning"
101Juniper 10 months ago
YEAH, Solomon was just a small tribe that also happened to built the 2nd Temple. The King James Bible has been translated from latin, which was translated from greek, which was translated from HEBREW. As to the Earth being only 6000 yrs old, "A day unto the Lord is a 1000 yrs". Yahweh (God) took 6 days to creat the Earth and all things upon it and rested on the 7th day... So you can add ANOTHER 7000 yrs... Youtube search "A Rood Awakening... LEARN.
Masterfixalot 11 months ago 2
If you read the rest of the verse it says"...and a thousand years are like a day." So it was a day the bible makes it clear I mean why do you think we have 7 days in a week. For instance we have 1 day because thats how long it takes for the earth to make 1 rotation, 365 days a year because thats how long it takes to make a full orbit around the sun, etc...
sam3374 11 months ago
"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom." - Prof. Ze'ev Herzog, Tel Aviv University
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
you have completely ignored the evidence presented in this film over an opinion of a professor
sam3374 1 year ago
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I would much rather rely on the archaeological evidence of professors than a film made by fundamentalist Christian's whose whole entire world perspective revolves around this lie.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
well the truth of the matter is who ever investigates will find these artifacts, this is documented proof not opinion. All you are putting up is opinion right now. There are ancient texts, archaeological sites, video and photographic evidence about the exodus.
sam3374 1 year ago
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How did you come to this conclusion?
sherrys6214 1 year ago
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dimplesmcgee333 1 year ago
@karlkarlkarl1234 Prof. Ze'ev Herzog, Tel Aviv University?
Yeah, that guy sounds legit.. better believe everything he says lol. Overwhelming evidence proves otherwise. God bless.. I mean, "may the universe and karma be good to you" hahaha
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TedNatanael 1 year ago
This is even sillier.... I mis spelled one it's spelled Won and because he is one with us in faith.
TheSouthification 1 year ago
This is the most sillest of it all. People who Love Jesus Fighting eachother. Hey you guys He already one.
TheSouthification 1 year ago
efforts like these will prove the truth about what are written in the Bible "Holy Book". It is good that we have these kind people and I thank them
abduljakol1985 1 year ago
As to the coral grow rate,the following link shows that the grow rate is very slow on objects such as ships - matches the Exodus findings. The U boat 1277 is a 70 years old wreck from WWII.
You can see the thin Coral in 4:48 and 5:03
The video can be found by searching in google for
"WRECK DIVING U BOAT 1277 ESCOSUB WITH ADNG DIVING, DIVE CHARTERS
haggaiz1 1 year ago
I watched this for like 3mins waiting for the guys from Exodus to show up >.>
WooperY 1 year ago
another hebrew mistake in the bible Its Not the Red Sea Its the Reed Sea Look it up
loop763 1 year ago
Yeah i have looked that up a while ago and the bible is clear that solomon had a fleet of ships built near the red sea and had them docked there, or more specifically Ezion-geber which is located in the gulf of aqaba, not a reed sea, so its no mistake. I Kings 9:26-29
sam3374 1 year ago
again Moses left egypht and went with his father in law who was a midianite High Priest. And just what was the midian god name? Jahve the volcano god. The bible is nothing but a jacking of the egyptian story.Hebrew is new lingo So what lingo was these people speaking 10 commandments could not have been written in hebrew .Biblical Hebrew Between the Early 6th
Century BCE and that Recorded in the Tiberian Masoretic Tradition (early 10th century. The flooding of the nile was called ARGHA NOA
loop763 1 year ago
Where's your proof for all of this?
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 The bible is my first proof. Rem moses spent 40 years with the midianite high priest jethro who was his father in law. Moses left egypht and came back with the knowledge he learned from the midianites. Jahve or jehovah was the midianite god. The Midianites worshipped a volcano. Read exodus very carefully and you will all the making of a volcano
loop763 1 year ago
Sorry i must have missed the part of the volcano in the bible. Also the bible makes it specifically clear that God contacted moses through a burning bush near a mountain, not a volcano. Secondly I would ask where you get this information that the midianites worshipped a volcano God because from what I read they worshipped many Gods. And I would ask when this belief was established, before or after the exodus.
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 i cant post links But just type in youtube Volcano God Then get your bible and follow along. Rem these people from that time were primitive compared to what we know today. Also research midianite tribe I can email you the links
loop763 1 year ago
I listened to the guy but his interpretation is pretty off. He ignores that there was a wall of water on the right and left sides Exodus 14:22, he even ignores what he read in the bible that God descended on the mountain with fire while a eruption is the contrary. He even ignores the location, and gives a poor excuse to it. If you investigate the claims that mt sinai is in arabia you can tell that its not volcanic and yet its burnt on the top...
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 Let me ask you this Do you think Adam and Eve where the first humans God created? If So go back and read Genesis 1:28 and tell me what does replenish means. The bible timeline covers nothing more then maybe 6000 years. The spinx is older then that. See the bible is nothing but a puzzle with many missing pieces. Just why is a need to believe their story? I do believe in jesus but i dont believe the old testament
loop763 1 year ago
Well yes i do believe and also science confirms that we came from 1 man and 1 woman mitochondrial eve Y-chromosomal Adam, not that I agree with the dates. And the thing with the spinx is that people dated it to be older yet they can be wrong and i believe they are since many times artifacts have been dated to wrong times. Lastly replenish there meant fill, in the old english it just meant to fill, in the original hebrew its fill. So if you do believe in Jesus read what he says in Luke 24:44
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 Hello, I saw your argument and was interseted... ^_^ I believe humans WERE around Adam and Eve. Scientists say humans first appeared (not in the form they're in now, but as a homo-erectrus) some 27,000 yrs ago in East Africa. Not too far from the geological location of the Garden of Eden at all! Notice God said He "placed them in the garden." And when Cain was exiled he said "Whoever so finds me will kill me!" Who? When Adam and Eve were the only ones existing at the time; or were they?
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
Well the only thing i really disagreed with on your first comment was the date 27,000. Secondly the bible did say where the garden of eden was, and i cant state this as a fact but the garden may have been destroyed in the flood, keeping that in mind the landscape of the earth now and then is most likely completely different since the flood...
sam3374 1 year ago
@loop763 I ASK U THIS ..HOW DID THE WRITERS KNOW THIS WAYS THE WAY EARTH LOOKED WEN BEING FORMED AND THINK! (GENIESIS 1:1 ) MY QUESTION IS (GENESIS 1:1 THE EARTH WAS FORMLESS AND WASTE DARKNESS ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER)..SCIENTEST SAY LIFE STARTED FROM WATER.....SO MABEY GOD DIDNT TELL US EVERY THING THIS WAY WE COULD CARRY OUR BIBLES...MABY,MABY THINK! NO OTHER BOOK THIS OLD CAN DESCIBE THE BEGINING THIS WAY
FederalTracks 1 year ago
@FederalTracks sumerian text
loop763 1 year ago
@loop763 THE BIBLE HAS MANY PUZZLE LOOKING THINGS AND HAS MANY THINGS THAT SHOW (NO ONE ELSE BUT GOD COULD HAVE BEEN BEHIND IT)
FederalTracks 1 year ago
@loop763 the spinx being 10,000 or more years old is only a theory. Theories are not evidence.
evanom2 1 year ago
@evanom2 so this document is also a theory. Look up a word called argha noa
loop763 1 year ago
...I bet this is clear but i'll list it down anyways, volcanoes dont talk, volcanoes dont time the destruction of armies and saves others at the same time, volcanoes dont feed a multitude of people in a desert for 40yrs. So I'm pretty sure just by reading the bible that this volcanic theory is plausible.
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 the hebrew language or yiddish is not from that region it has a germany root dating back to the early 10th century.
Its already been proven that they stole everything from the walls of pyramid
Argha Noa is well known what that means egyptian called the flooding of the nile Argha noa
loop763 1 year ago
Um well you still haven't provided proof. And with the Argha Noa you haven't really proven that anyone stole it. The bible says that the whole world was covered in water, and if this happened then this would have stayed in the mind of the survivors (noah & his sons) so there would be many accounts of this.
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 Dude there are too many facts out there for you to even say prove it. Do your Research. The flood story is from the sumerian text , way way b4 any noah. Ok think about this we have fossils of dinsoars FActs. Did noah take dinsoars on the ark?. See the hebrews are johnny come lately. They are the only ones who took the story and put it on paper. Not one thing in the bible can be proven Not One Thing. Tell me where the ark is? Because the pyramids are still standing.
loop763 1 year ago
Well i do do research what i know of the sumerian text is that its dated older than the current Biblical texts. What this proves is that the sumerians wrote down their account first. Again all you show is similarities, and as I said many accounts of the flood exist, what this proves is that there was a global flood as the bible states...
sam3374 1 year ago
Lastly many places that are no longer present which were well documented such as the library of alexandria. Not to say that the ark is no longer around just that I believe of it's existence because of the bible.
sam3374 1 year ago
@loop763 ark is wood pyrimids stone!....not 1 thing can be proven.....stop right there and you research!!
FederalTracks 1 year ago
@loop763 Actually, I've read the actual translation and there's only a reference to the flood saying there was a man who survived the flood and discovered eternal life. I believe the Ark got bigger as the story progressed. Earth, in the Bible means "dirt, soil, ect." So the Hebrew writer had the flat perception of land. And if there perception is that all of the land is flooded, then Noah would have needed a bigger boat! All it would take is this question, "daddy, what about the other animals?"
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
Thirdly yes earth means dirt in hebrew, but the account was God's not of a man, note how the bible says all the springs of the great deep were broken up, really only God could have known that. We can know as well that the flood was global due to the fact that the bible also says in Gn 6:17, "I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish."
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 Well, I understand you are a Bible litteralist. ^_^' How we read and comprehend the Bible really plays a huge role in our Christiandom. I'd just like to recommend a book "And God Said What?: An Introduction to Bible Litterary Forms" by Margaret Nutting Ralph. ;) I'd also like to warn you, that limiting yourself to a strict fundamentalist view will make scientific trustworthyness hard to reconcile with your spirituality, and that can be dangerous....
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
Thank you for the recommendation, and I'll believe anything as long as its in the bible.
sam3374 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 the bible was meant to be taken literally..
I'd recommend if you are a believer and truly saved then stay away from anything outside of the bible that says that the bible isn't meant to be taken Lieteral..this is a LIE from the Devil...
:)
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN Actually, this is my own deduction judging by the style by which parts of Scripture are written. Dr. Margaret Nutting Ralf is simply a very informitive person who's put this perspective to pen in her book. I think it's absolutely obvious that the six day creation, Adam and Eve, Noah's flood, ect, are allegories. I admire your faith, however, the psalmist wrote, "It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way." -Psalm 19:2
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 lol
ok whatever...you are lost and I'm not going to convince you with words on a screen so
Have at her..
You need to get saved and Born again to understand the Bible..
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN You don't need to attack my claim for salvation simply because you were raised after the fundamentalist movement that so greatly influenced protestantism. (Which I am protestant, btw.) I have my salvation. Faith in Christ as Savior from my sins, that He is God incarnated, and live with His love in my heart. It's clear elements from Genesis, such as the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" is an abstract representation of sin, and the serpent as satan. Ect. It's an allegory.
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 Yeah!! Ok...
Whatever..end of conversation!
FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 why do you think that adam and eve and the serpent is allegorical? I mean, the rest of the OT is true, so why don't you think that is? (I actually want to know)
pursueproverbs31 1 year ago
@pursueproverbs31 Allegory doesn't necessarily mean fiction. Keep that in mind. Yes, I do believe in a litteral Adam, a litteral Eve, a litteral garden paradise, ect. But the characters of the story clearly represent abstract qualities to represent certain concepts. Example: Serpent = Satan "Cursed are you to crawl on your belly and eat dust forever more!" This echoes the fall of Satan, NOT the generational cursing of all snakes forever. They don't suffer for not having legs.
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 aaah, ok. I understand. But don't you believe that the serpent was Satan?
But yes, I agree that this was the cursing of Satan.
pursueproverbs31 1 year ago
@pursueproverbs31 Yes, but as a historical context I don't ask myself how litteral this is. I don't believe all snakes crawl on their bellies as a result of serpent demonic possesion. Satan has no meantion in the book of Genesis, but is there as an abstract character in an allegorical tale.
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 Wait, so basically you do believe the literal meaning? That Satan was in the form of the serpent, and that the cursing was meant for him alone.?
Well, I guess it's not technically literal. But if you take Genesis 3:15 as "allegorical" (which everyone does) Then verse 14 has to be too, right?
pursueproverbs31 1 year ago
@pursueproverbs31 In short, I'm not dismissing these stories because they sound "fantastical" or "fictional", but I'm putting them in their proper form of literature.
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@pursueproverbs31 It is really wrong linguistically to force ANY story, essay, book in any language to be ALL literal or ALL metaphorical. The Bible is quite clear with prophets, apostles and even Jesus himself referring to creation as a literal historical event with Adam and Eve being literal people and we have evidence of this as well. The identity of the serpent is not as clear, but it seems that Satan took possession of the serpent and as a symbol of Satan, snakes were cursed.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree I didn't say that a whole story, book, or essay had to be all literal or metaphorical?.... I said Genesis 3:14,15 were. And I know that Adam and Eve is literal and that the serpent was [possessed by] satan. I was just trying to understand the other view.
And yes, I do believe that the flood actually happened and that the earth is only about 6000 years old. I'm NOT one of those Hugh Ross types. :/
:)
pursueproverbs31 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 I think it's absolutely obvious that the six day creation, Adam and Eve, Noah's flood, ect, are allegories
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As a lifelong Christian, professor and volunteer pastor, I must tell you that anybody who says a 6 day creation and Adam and Eve are allegories, is simply biblically illiterate. Allegoricizing parts of the Bible that Jesus, prophets and apostles refer to in literal ways is not safe or biblical at all. We also have powerful evidence for believing they are literal.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Uh.... No we don't have powerful evidence that they litterally true. -_- Sorry. If you believe in a continent engulping global flood, then you have alot of sediment to answer for. If you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, then you must reject many revelations in cosmology, biology, geology, carbon 14 dating and radiometric dating. If we look for messages behind the stories, then they hold more meaning. (Continued above.)
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@dotoree For example: I don't it's entirely necessary for a man to be litteraly killed for working on the Sabbath, because that's the day tht the Lord rested. However, seven in Hebrew traditions is a number of fullness and completion. Essentially, it serves as saying the Lord blessed us with a beautiful world, and we should set aside a day of rememberence and observence.
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 Some of the laws in the OT had to be severe because the slaves weren't used to obeying unless there were severe consequences for not obeying. It was NOT God's preferred way to act. This is a great video on the interaction between freedom and choice:
watch?v=vh6YcmNWM_4
Yes, 7 is a symbol of completion and the real Sabbath, Saturday (the only day godly people in the Bible worshipped on), is a memorial and anniversary to God's creative power and incredible love for us.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Yes, I know this all full and well. If you ever debate an atheist over why slavery is condoned in the "holy" Bible -as they'll put it- You can say "Yeah, it's easy to object to this now, after all, you have the benefits of the industrial revolution, if we had this debate just 1400 years ago, you'd have to send your 'indentured servant' for me to recieve this message from you." :)
Btw, the book of Acts says clearly they worshipped on "the first day of the week." i.e. Sunday.
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 A) The disciples met and broke bread together ONCE on Sunday in Acts 20:7. Google and read: "Did the Apostles Abandon Sabbath And Keep Sunday Instead?"
2) Biblical slavery was in most cases a welfare system with extremely high rights and freedoms for the more accurately termed "indentured servants". No other nation has ever given higher rights to servants or slaves that I know. Modern slavery has about as much to do with biblical slavery as modern "gay" does to happiness.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Lol. Well, that's evidence of communion being taken in service. i.e Why I converted to Catholicism. ^_^ Christians don't need to keep he Sabbath, and we don't keep it on Sunday, either. Hence, you go to church. Not supposed to go ANYWHERE during Sabbath. Not supposed to use internet either. -_- We're not under the law of Moses but the grace of God that comes by faith in Jesus Christ.
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@MrZetterlund777 Have you read Mark 7:5-13. How does that reconcile with the Catholic position of putting tradition above scripture? Who do you trust to give you eternal life, the church or Jesus? That's a crucial question to answer. You have made up rules that don't exist in the Bible in the other case. The law Moses was given and Paul were given are one and the same. More later.
dotoree 1 year ago
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MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@dotoree Ah, yes. This is going to be fun. ^_^ I trust JESUS with my salvation, which is WHY I'm Catholic. Because I believe in the church Christ appointed to St. Peter when He said: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on the earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heavenn." (Matt. 16:18-19)
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@dotoree So to answer your question, we use tradition cause Jesus SAYS we can. (oh!) You can call us Pharresies all you want, but TRADITION sure did keep the Holy Eucharist alive in church service as it's seen in Acts 20:7. Hm.... Why don't PROTESTANT churches take communion during service? -_- But hey, it's cool. I guess rapid-fire sermons are what's "in" right now. -_-
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@dotoree "The law Moses was given and Paul were given one and th same"
Read Acts 15:24. Those vigorous to the Law of Moses usu. misinterprit Matt. 5:17-18. It's important to remember that during the earthly ministry of Jesus, the world was still under the law of Moses. Jesus said, "Do not think I have come to destroy the Law of the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to FULFILL. For assuredly I say to you, not one jot or title will dissappear from the law UNTIL all is FULFILLED."
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@dotoree So notice, the Law is supposed to pass when it is "fulfilled." That is why at Jesus' death, He yelled "It is finished!" In John 19:30. Read this parrelel to the prophecy in Jeremiah 31:31-34 Good luck. ;)
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
@FLIPWORLDUPSIDEDOWN The Bible IS meant to be taken literal in places like Genesis, but it also most definitely has metaphorical parts and some parables/allegories, etc. Every language does and so does the Bible.
dotoree 1 year ago
@sam3374 You made quite a few good points. This guy has one of the better videos on proving a global flood. watch?v=D6JWCMG8f3M
Also good creationscience a free online book by Dr. Walter Brown with another good theory on this. Keep up the good work.
dotoree 1 year ago
The Sayings of Amen-em-opet: a Source for Proverbs 20
The Teachings of Ahiqar: a Source for Proverbs, Psalms, and Jeremiah 21
Other Ancient Sayings: a Source for Proverbs 22
The Code of Hammurabi: a Source for the Law of Moses 22
The Hittite Laws: a Source for the Law of Moses 24
The Neo-Babylonian: a Source for the Law of Moses 25
The Middle Assyrian Laws: a Source for the Law of Moses 25
The Eshnunna Code: a Source for the Law of Moses 25
All written b4 moses.
loop763 1 year ago
Firstly yes the bible was translated right, compare it to the dead sea scrolls. Secondly the bible is more than that its also a historical book, a scientific book, poetic book, prophetic book, etc... also watch the language on here please.
sam3374 1 year ago
Just to note, someone named DukeofLowland has uploaded a much higher quality version of Exodus Revealed in 7 parts here just over a month ago. It's probably time to move on from this one posted by Sam.
chekist1917 1 year ago
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ariFAERY 1 year ago
Ron Wyatt found this and much more many years ago
th3w4tchm4n 1 year ago
Jabal el-Lawz
th3w4tchm4n 1 year ago
End of dicussion. Sorry man I am not willing to dicuss on kindergarten level.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Well I hope you understand that its the findings, not what a person says.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam3374 I admire how you kept your cool with an ignorant person who's only pleasure is out of starting trouble about a subject they're clearly ignorant n 1sided on,having no desire 2come2an objective conclusion about.And Ueven made very logical points 2which he could only insult a CLEARLY NON CHILDISH(on ur part) conversation 2hide his fear n back out. Dont worry Sam, God says Lazyness n Ignorance wont be a valid excuse in the end.SMART ppl look@both sides of the issueTHUROLY2deduct conclusions!
ariFAERY 1 year ago
On that last note,"The Lord has made evrything4its own purpose,Even the wicked4the day of evil"Prvb16:4. If you're not out there saving souls n teaching the word while you have the physical and mental ability too, but instead arguing w/those whom R Arguing4the sake of it n have no intention or desire 4 TRUTH, then in this war of Good vs Evil, who R U letting win?If the wicked R distracting U 4rm ur purpose,well thats exactly what satan wants.Use the time2pass ur test here my friends,help us win!
ariFAERY 1 year ago
@ariFAERY If you had ever learned to write a decent sentence, you would have a bit more credibility.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@liza:theres only so much 1 can say w/ 500 characters,sum editing had 2B done, but u got the jist of the point Im sure.+PLUS+ u just proved my point about ur defenses being shallow & personal attacks rather than logical ones.Useem2B1 of those "waste of times" i talked about..Goodluck w/ ur judgemental spiteful,angry,blaming every1else 4 ur problems,life uve cre8d.May Peace knowledge n wisdom find u1day,wen u realize whos fault ur hate n imaturity isngrow^<3
ariFAERY 1 year ago
@ariFAERY You said more than enough. I know, you have little education. Thank you anyway for your contribution.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Thanks arifaery I appreciate it
sam3374 1 year ago
Wow: you want the opinion of the most famous archaeologist from Israel, professor at the univ of Tel-Aviv.--- Zeèv Herzog É Look it up. Then maybe you will see that exodus is nonsense.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Wow, you actually got what I was saying, yes I do know more about the exodus than that rabbi. And also these archaeologists you keep mentioning dont even look in the right spots for the graves, they look in the sinai penn while they should be looking for in arabia. Its like me looking for U.S. civil war graves in canada. This rabbai should look at this film then, and others in reference with these findings.
sam3374 1 year ago
sam3374: Man before you open your mouth, have a look at the map will ya. You don`t even know your geography. Rabbis are wrong, archaeologists are wrong, but mr Sam3374. HE KNOWS. Go back to your Madrassah.
lizazoon 1 year ago
I'm wrong lol?, Its not what I'm saying, its in the video/bible. People like you just pretend its not there, ask yourself, have this rabbi, and professor even watched these documentaries? They go against the very thing the bible says, why should I believe them, because they say they're experts, I go with the findings, not opinion.
sam3374 1 year ago
On Passover last Sunday, Rabbi David Wolpe raised that provocative question before 2,200 faithful at Sinai Temple in Westwood. He minced no words. "The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants
lizazoon 1 year ago
Wow his opinion is fact then right? Yeah being sarcastic, he's basically wrong. those archaeologists dont even mention these findings they just ignore it.
sam3374 1 year ago
sam3374 About 500.000 (some say 2 million) israelites roamed the desert for 40 years. The average lifespan at that time was no more than 45 years. So during that trip about 400.000 must have died. Where are the graves. Where are the bones : NONE were found. Desert dry sand is excellent to preserve stuff.
lizazoon 1 year ago
sam3374--Wow his opinion is fact then right? Yeah being sarcastic-- Should I conclude that YOU know more about the bible than this Rabbi . Congratulations.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Exodus is pure nonsense.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Seriously, you're just saying this with no proof while the proof for the exodus is here, and other places too. Thus the exodus is not nonsense.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, The xmas holiday was founded in idolatry. What they attempted to turn it into does not negate the paganism involved in it. Putting the birth of The Son of God on a pagan day, and when it comes to the Romans, Saturnalia is specifically the pagan component in it, was pure blasphemy! It was done so to not unnerve the new church members. They were wrong then, and it is wrong now. Relabeling is what has been done, at best. The following is what the KJV Bible says.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
You dont even know how i celebrate christmas sir, i personally dont use a tree, or anything. Secondly I am aware of the pagan traditions involved yet this is how i celebrate christmas, "I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people...a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord...Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God." I try to always be greatful that my savoir was was born, and I see nothing wrong in commemorating it.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, then you should do it on a completely different time then when it was conveniently placed on. I have no time for pagan practices that humans dare place My Lord And Savior's Birth and Name on to make it acceptable to the blind masses. If you will excuse me, I'm battling with a Nation of Islam member now about Allah creating Jesus! Religion is a no win scenario on this putrid rock! Everyone thinks they have it right! I do like talking with you though My Brother! At least you believe in Jesus!
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
As Jesus himself said, "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" You are disputing the time, time isnt important. When the pharisees complained about the disciples getting stuff to eat that also involved a time issue. No matter on the day Jesus was born, and glory to God everyday for that including on christmas. And I dont have it right, but I know the Bible has it right, and no other book does.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, SABBATH? WOW, that coming up surprises me! The Sabbath was changed by man, not God or Jesus! He worshiped on Saturday till He ascended to Heaven. I'm no pharisee and sadducee! Again my friend, I don't agree with my former church, a day won't save you. If it will, all my 1st Day friends are doomed! I don't believe God functions that way, though the Bible could lead me to believe otherwise. You get where I'm going? As far as Xmas, its clean to me, and it involves man, not Jesus.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
I dont think you get my point with the sabbath. You are arguing for one day(christmas) you're telling me I should do it another day. So again you're saying do it another day not on dec. 25. Now what I'm saying is that anyday including dec 25 I give thanks for the birth of my savior. Just as the disciples picked grain on the sabbath.
sam3374 1 year ago
I get your point Sam. Maybe you don't get mine. I accept your position as it is the same of many, like my mom. I personally see the Original Church for what it did. There is no escaping the pagan foundation of the day they selected to place The Name and Birth of Jesus on. Saturnalia!?!? If you see it as a simple matter, that is your position. I take paganism and idolatry that found its way into Christianity very seriously because the Israelites made the same mistakes over and over.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
I agree with you on the date thing, and I respect it. But the important thing to me is that the Bible is the only author ship of truth out of all the rest. I agree about the idolatry as well, yet I'm also against the mixing of things into christianity that doesn't originate at all from the Bible.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, as you know, we agree on just about everything. I would have gotten back to you earlier but I had to get some sleep, plus I was banging heads with various heretic Nation of Islam individuals on multiple fronts. I'm currently breaking down Jesus as seen through the Qur'an. The argument is clearly about mere labels. Their book says Allah willed his existence. That clearly doesn't make Jesus His Son to them! There's No Logic There At All, and it would seem I'm not moving the NOI at least! LOL
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Sam, by the way, and as you know, it's always a pleasure my man! Hit me back later. I may be gone for the next day or so but we'll catch up eventually. RESPECT!
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Well thats another disagreement with the Bible and the quran, about Jesus. The Bible says he's God, and again I looked into the quran, several contradictions in there, thats why i dont believe it. Respect to you too sir
sam3374 1 year ago
Hi Sam, you're correct, and it ties into my current argument with some of those Racist NOI Members. The Qur'an states "GOD thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is." To me, and given the fact artificial incrimination wasn't available at that time, that makes Jesus The Son of God. Muhammad's opinion on His Death is also an area of concern. He thought our ways were too wicked for God to ask so much of Jesus. I think that compromises His Mission.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Sam&My rise,I have 1 thing that mite bringUsum peace.Bible says correct those in opposition w/ kindness &gentilness 2tim2:24,Gal6:1,Tit3:2,1pt3:15. It also says God seeks those who seek Him. And if we're spreading the gospel then it should be to those who R looking. Do U think God wants U2waste the time hes given U by arguing w/ lost causes?Is it a good christian to get angry?argue?force opinions?Hows that blameless?thats givin them negative amo against U.PEACE brethren.B A LIGHT2THE WORLD
ariFAERY 1 year ago
Ari, Sam is my guy. There is no quam between us. We had one of the most pleasant conversations I've had in a long time about theology. We don't have to agree on everything. Not many denominations do here in the west for that matter. I concur with much of what you say here. On other pages though, I do go ballistic when I run into heretic dogs supposedly coming in the name of God. Sam is not that person though. Your commentary is refreshing my friend.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
thanks man you're in my prayers.
sam3374 1 year ago
Oh i figured you2were friends, I was talking about the going ballistic on people comming in the name of God.Rmber when apostles came to J.C saying ppl were casting out demonds in His name(even tho they werent TRUE followers)wat did J.C respond?"leave them be", interestin no? Denominations shudnt agree the word "denomnation"="part of" only the true church J.C founded has "one mind one religion"
ariFAERY 1 year ago
Oh and please dont take me as insulting or judging your behavior, i just wanted2bring peace.Ican fully understand going ballistic, I had a prob with it myself in the beginning of learning the knowledge ive learned.But experience showed that it did nothing but give ppl ammo against my "self-control" n make myself frusterated and starting to hate n get angry,the 2 worst things a christian can do, i found no fruit came out of it.thats all I meant2do,Im glad i can bring something new2the table
ariFAERY 1 year ago
Jeremiah 10 verse 1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Sam is wrong.
The bible does not say love your enemy "all the time", it clearly advocates the genocide of every man woman child and animal in the lands they conquered under Joshua.
But I guess they could love them and still kill them, since god told them too.
Right sam?
JIbrone11 1 year ago
I see theres no fualt in people saying things without substance. Number one its not what im saying, its what the bible says, "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. 'But I tell you: Love your enemies.. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good" So yes in the old testament thats what it said, but Jesus said love, so thats what we do now, different times.
sam3374 1 year ago
I grew up Seventh Day Adventist (SDA). My former group thought they were the Remnant Church as do many denominations here in the West that sprung from The Protestant Reformation Movement. That event in itself is one reason why we have so many denominations, and versions of the Bible that are backed by these various Western Denominations. SDA taught that worshiping on Saturday was a mark from God while worshiping on Sunday was the mark of the beast that would lead one to Hell in the last days!
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Jesus said, "small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life" So for sure i know that the quran isnt that road, quite the opposite. And to show you how much I already looked into it I'll quote you 2 passages, "Fight against those who believe not in Allah" and "O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you" So in short I dont follow things that are false, only the Bible, and I'll end with what Jesus said, "But I tell you: Love your enemies..."
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, Truth be told, what is so wrong with what the Qur'an says there. Let's not forget The Crusades My Brother. All have fallen short of the grace of Allah at some point. One thing is for certain, I honorably battle atheist and those that slander El here on YT all the time, which is basically what is being suggested by the Qur'an. I could offer up countless text where the Bible demands we address not only the disbelievers, but those that deliver the message for their own motives, not God's.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Whats wrong with it? The thing is that what the Bible says is to love your enemies, not slay them. Also the crusades are not in the Bible. You say you can find verses addressing disbelievers but where does it say to fight them, as it does in the quran, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" Lastly you just pointed out the differences between the Bible and quran, thats my point, only one can be true. I've looked in to the quran myself, it's false, contradictory, the Bible is not.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, what is the exact verse in the Qur'an where this wording is found? Usually, when people offer Biblical verses validating some point they're making, I read long before and after so that it is taken in context, in totality. I wonder, is this Qur'an backed call to arms about invading other nations or is it about repelling those that enter what they consider holy lands? There are plenty of cultist Muslims out there that benefit by taking the Qur'an out of context as there have been Christians.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
I think it was talking about in war time, yet the point of me putting this out is that the quran was written after the Bible, yet the Bible says again love your enemy, all the time. Yet the quran says slay them, that is not Christian, its in directly against what the Bible says, it really doesn't matter in what context, it goes against it either way. Also its found in surah 9:5. And there is a clear distinction between call to arms and slay.
sam3374 1 year ago
Hi Sam. The OT has very similar wording when it comes to war. The migration of the Original Israelite in itself was a shock and awe campaign. Wording not long after the then "Unaltered 10 Commandments" reveals how to engage nations and how to handle slaves. Its some eye opening stuff. Both Books say things that have been interpreted in countless ways by mere human beings. Look at how the "Ham Curse" was interpreted by Christian Slave Masters. All have failed Our Creator at some point my friend.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Sam, I truly don't believe that any day of worship will save anyone! My childhood was filled with thoughts about what would happen to all my 1st Day Worshiping friends because SDA claimed they were doomed. The one thing I know SDA had right was the Official Day of worship. Jesus worshipped on it also, and man changed it. Their explanations for doing so clearly isn't backed by the Bible. Sabbatarians still believe it is highly slanderous to God when His Word and Laws are altered. Just a thought.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
I have looked into several religions, because basically the Bible says, "test everything" So I do, and I found that the Bible is the only true out of things like the quran, hinduism, the egyptian religion, evolution, greek/roman religion, etc.. Man has interpreted the Bible in many ways, but I just try to go with what the Bible says in regards to stuff like this, "declares the LORD,..."Before me no god was formed, nor will there be." No allah, no apollo, buddah or whatever, just the Lord Jesus.
sam3374 1 year ago
Hi Sam, I believe the Bible is possibly the most excepted version of the truth. That is the case rather it is the Torah, the original Septuagint, the Catholic Vulgate, the KJV and it's variants, with or without The Apocrypha, and all the other versions that have come since then. Point is, I no longer waste time attempting to lionize one version or denomination. Sheep in many flock to me means God loves us all, and heaven will be a very diverse place with Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, Animist...
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
The truth is thats not the truth, again what the Bible says, "It is by the name of Jesus Christ ...for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." In all that, no buddah, no allah, or whatever else, just Jesus, thats pretty clear to me, "no other name"
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, I will offer up the same question I have to my mother. If that is the case, and only those who know of Jesus can be saved, MILLIONS will die! Why would God create millions of people for no apparent reason other than to destroy them when The End of Time Judgment is here? Again, my former denomination believed in not only Jesus, but keeping the laws the way Jesus did, specifically the 7th Day He worshiped on during His entire time on this rock. I personally think they are also wrong.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
It's not God's fault that millions might possibly be lost the Bible itself says, "God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved.." Its man's fault. And you yourself say it, "I personaly think" when the Bible goes very much against what you think.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, you lost me my man because I've never blamed the transgressions of man on Our Creator! Man will let you down every time! Man will pay for many things they've committed on this rock, in God's Name! What do you mean, the Bible goes very much against what I think? I said I personally think about my former denomination! By your wording, am I now to believe that you are doing exactly like Jesus and not conforming to Xmas/pagan Roman Holidays, and keeping the Original Sabbath? Just a thought.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Well you said "if thats the case" And it is the case that Jesus is the only way, so thats why I said it that way, and it wouldnt be Gods fault. Yes the bible goes against what you think a that Jesus is not the only way. And I see nothing wrong in celebrating the birth of Christ, yet there are certain aspects that people do in christmas that i don't agree with, ex) wrting letters to santa. I would recommend just praying to Jesus in that regards.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, then God is one who will create billions of human beings throughout history that never had a chance of getting into Heaven! That is not rational on any level and does not describe a God that loves. It describes an exclusive love and I will never believe that Our Creator feels that way. If I did, I could side with my Former Denomination about 7th Day Worship, and I do not, though there response is almost verbatim to yours when I speak on that one issue. My prayers are between God and I.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Sam, know that I'm truly enjoying our convo here, even if we don't agree on everything. I believe man has failed Our Creator, and in multiple forms. I don't feel that there is one faith that has God on speed dial and is the surefire way of being saved. That's what my former denomination felt, and if they're correct, countless 1st Dayers will perish in hell in the end of times. Christians and Muslims take parts of Holy Text and run with it for their own Faith based reasons. God will handle it.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Well I'm glad you are enjoying it, thats good. O believe that the Bible and quran are not able to mix, only one can be true, I and in a way you acknowledge that. All have fallen short of the glory of God the Bible says that. And I am aware of what the Bible says in regards of slaves, and the Exodus. Yet those were basically times before Jesus, not to say to do away with everything in the OT, but Jesus came and now there are things that are no longer needed. In particular we are told to love.
sam3374 1 year ago
Sam, this is some good stuff you leave here, though I still disagree with you on some points. Jesus said many thing that raise questions. Questions Only He Or His Father Can Answer For Us, IN PERSON. Before one of the greatest verses in the Bible that describes Hashem's Love for us all John 3:16, Jesus offers His position in verse 13 on ascension into heaven. Christianity teaches the contrary, and about a number of patriarchs in the Bible. There are no ulterior motives in my pointing this out.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Cont. moving on, you should be able to gather why I'm as open minded. I take faith in, and in totality, not through a narrow minded approach of some denominationally proclaimed perfected version of the message of Elohim! Each denomination thinks they have the one correct message. All will instantly stand united and make hasty generalizations against Islam though. By the way, I prefer the Septuagint as it was the first Bible! That said, Jesus clearly spoke of sheep in many flock!
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
not true, the jewish bible says that God will come as a man, read Isaiah 7:14, and Isaiah 9:6
More i can provide if you want, so Jesus is most certainly true. My brain clearly sees that.
sam3374 1 year ago
@sam3374 May Allah guide you
fghtupx 1 year ago
allah doesn't guide me, its Jesus, Allah isnt real, hes just another false god.
sam3374 1 year ago
S#, I'm not a Muslim, but I know a bit about them. I decided to learn for myself verses listening to others, specifically after 911. The word Allah is generally accepted by theologians, scholars, and more so by millions of Muslims around this putrid rock as meaning God. There are countless other names Our Creator is known by. Have you ever read exactly what the Qur'an states about Jesus? I was shocked myself.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
Yeah i do actually know about it, but the Bible is the only true book for me. I've seen a quran, and I know its has false things in it. And I only care of the names of God in the bible like Jesus, God, Emanuel, etc.. I dont care about anything outside of it.
sam3374 1 year ago
S#, understood, but there is much clarity to be sought when taking in the entire Bible, whichever version one is using. The NT mentions many times that we are to seek the truth when it comes to The Word. This is what I do, and specifically based on how I was raised because I started picking up on the inconsistencies with my own denomination very early on. No message is perfect. Only God can judge. The Most High has many names and I love them all. My other two posts respectfully adds to this.
MyRiseToHonor 1 year ago
yeah i agree allah is false
sam3374 2 years ago
You Couldn't Have Said It Better.. thanks
VictoriaGreyh 2 years ago
maybe I'm not in the right spot to ask this but, why is it that people can believe in the Devil, evil spirits, walking dead & witch craft but, when you talk about Jesus Christ & his being crucified, dieing then coming back, why do they such a hard time getting with that? Look, I may not be the christian I should be but let me tell ya somethin, Jesus is real, Jesus died for us,He gave it all for us so why have such a hard time with the idea? when you feel Love, that's God in your heart.
batman1965me 2 years ago 2
this is cool.
love Jesus Christ!
Brrup 2 years ago