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Why don't we at the very least attempt to reproduce his designs? Airplanes, buildings, machines that make homes, roads, bridges and take care of our trash... we should at least give it a shot.
your range of thought is the key here. If you can imagine it, it exists. He knows this, and goes ahead and expands his thought based on his imagination instead of what on what has been...... Higher mind and work and play in the fields of creativity and expansion! Awesome!
if we are to see this in the near future then, we have to evolve as species. Of course we already have the technology for such achievements or even greater. Unfortunately human beings lack the courage and intelligence to let go their ego, based on physical wealth is an illusion. This makes it impossible for us all humans to evolve in the positive way. Hopefully in the future we will all embrace the positive and evolve to see and experience the infinite.
Our cities are designed around cheap oil and will need to be redesigned! I adore Future by Design, The Environmental Concerns Coalition in Milford, CT is starting a Sustainable Inventors Club for ages 11 and up that will meet monthly. Starts July 28 email ddmiddens@gmail.com for more info, RSVP
people live what their nation holds as example. If you have competition between democrats and republicans, competition is easy to be seen as virtue in politics, and doesn't seem to die; and thus becomes a culture of its own. So with the money and importance with a monetary system. Remember... money can grow but people who access it are limited. Majority of the food is limitless, technology can be limitless, education also, but what holds these great benefits to our survival are the cost.
@topdown03g For my tuppence worth, the cultivation of the hemp (cannabis) plant would certainly help. If you do some research into this plant you will realize why the oligarchy have misinformed and mislead the public into believing it is a social evil. This plant alone would solve a multitude of issues affecting many facets of our modern society.
@AmhranaiAlainn Your preaching to the choir buddy... but how would you use hemp to create buildings or anything plastic... i meant the original comment to be sarcastic but glad it got your interest
@topdown03g@topdown03g Understood :). I've read that hemp can be processed into plastic and hemp 'wood' is stronger than common building timber. Also, Henry Ford's 1st car had panels in it made from hemp.
Most answers to mankind's issues can be found in becoming wiser about the simplicity of life & about the natural world we inhabit . The pursuit of knowledge at the expense of wisdom is an end to itself. One must use wisdom when implementing knowledge.
I don't know if I would sya that the Resource Based Economy is the "main" concept. It's one of several. Jacque also believes that use of technology to aleviate pain is also a fundamental motivator.
I don't know if I would say that the Resource Based Economy is the "main" concept. It's one of several. Jacque also believes that use of technology to aleviate pain is also a fundamental motivator.
Jacque Fresco definitely DID NOT have a 6-figure income at anytime during his life. He lived on odd jobs and creating/selling commissioned inventions.
the ideas are cool, but he's able to promote this idea because he got paid a 6 figure income to tinker with his whole life, then talks about a cashless society for everyone while strolling through a nice green ,lush jungle plot that he bought with cash making it seem so easy... Dubai is already built like that though ... maybe he was the designer there.
It looks like our system has reached a peak in standard of living because poverty is spreading across the globe. Machine automation has a lot to do with that phenomenon, so why not use that tool to our advantage and shorten the workday and improve the infrastructure we all enjoy. Any one qualified in technical knowledge or improvement idea in a given field is put in charge as coordinator for that project, so there are no leaders in a resource based economy and it is constantly improving.
-[1] While the fossil-fuels are still flowing, machine automation allows population explosion by feeding billions of extra people.
-[2] When the fossil-fuels are depleted, the machines shut down. The billions extra people starve, and the majority of survivors go back to hard manual labour to survive (eg permaculture farming)
-[3] In either scenario, people can always outbreed any technological progress, which guarantees poverty/famines.
@walter0bz -1 = Science shows that when a species are in deep fear, that is, worried for its own extintion, it reproduces like hell. :c) With the advent of terror and fascism, we sure are put fear into us. Though, this planet can sustain many times over this population, if food production is automated big time. 2 = Look for machines that produce more energy than they use, they´ve been with us since late 1800, but will soon surface to the public. 3 = Food can be produced via hydroponics amass!!
>>"2 = Look for machines that produce more energy than they use"
- Now we know you're talking out of your arse :)
If someone had this machine, they wouldn't need to tell anyone else about it. They could use the energy to create infinite prosperity for themselves, support unlimited wives and repopulate earth with their own offspring.. whatever floats their boat.
The reason we have all these competitive control structures is to deal with FINITE reality, not over-unity fantasy.
@walter0bz The Earth was once flat! :) Don´t be caught baa-ing like the other sheeple. Our future is to be created, and our potential is unlimited. Old laws of physics have been broken before, and will be broken again. One of the top trends for 2011-2012 by Gerald Celente of the Trends Institute Research is exactly that, over-unity machines. If we look at how such a machine would impact an oil-based economy, there´s no wonder such a machine has been suppressed. Tesla did it late 1800.
@walter0bz You start off the machine with external energy. Once the machine runs, it uses some of its produced energy to keep running, but the energy created is in surplus, so it could f.i. charge a battery while running. Your arguments are brilliant. Thats exactly why it hasnt been introduced yet. It would blowup the economy and it is not possible to sell, at least not for long. Let me tell you a story about the Alien Reproduction Vehicle....
@walter0bz The surplus energy could be used to power a car or a house effectively canceling use of fossil fuels, and the electric grid. If you wanted to build another I´m sure the energy could be used for that, though you need materials too. The energy from a Zero Point machine is, as I´ve been explained, the attraction and gathering of background energy, causing the energy to form a photon which is then gathered and transformed into usable energy. Google it... :)
>>"The energy from a Zero Point machine is, as I´ve been explained, the attraction and gathering of background energy,"
- are you saying it has no limits whatsoever ??
Thought experiment, given limitless power, do you think people would be content to just live as they do now, or would they all try to upgrade their lifestyles & have more babies.
Are you telling me someone invented this machine, and HASN'T already figured out how to use it for personal gain ?
@walter0bz Your two last comments leave me with little argument. The ZPE is really limitless - (paradigm shift). But if people and governments know of these machines and use them? I believe yes. The latest sightings of UFOs and these blue spirals in the sky are most likely man-made. So they know. Most likely they know how it will impact the world also, and without the right conditioning, it could spiral the world into utter chaos. Disclosure (paradigm shift) will tell us more I believe...
>>" The ZPE is really limitless - (paradigm shift)."
- did my post come across wrong? I'm presenting parallels & thought experiments to demonstrate why I firmly believe LIMITLESS energy (paradigm shift) is impossible. Last time we had 'near' limitless energy, we just multiplied until it was scarce.
>>"But if people and governments know of these machines and use them? I believe yes"
- but if they have 'Limitless Energy', why would they bother controlling us? for WHAT end?
@walter0bz The approach taken to population control matters. There seems to be several methods being employed by the elites to tackle the problem. Most of these methods are evil and have been accurately criticized.
One in which they have not invested too much effort is education & empowerment of women in male dominated societies.
Rich elites would rather see themselves getting more wealthy from the misery of others by causing wars, famine, & artificial monetary shortages, then steal from poor.
@walter0bz This is an argument of different perspectives. Neither of us can prove that limitless energy exists or does not exist, so we are left with our beliefs. I will always believe there is limitless energy, keeping the option available, instead of shutting out the possibility.
You talk of control, I talk of maturity. There is a chance that people with this technology, should it exist, waits for the world to grow up so it wont descend into complete chaos upon disclosure...
@walter0bz But to be honest, I dont know. And I cant prove ZPE, so my arguments are just that, arguments. For this argument, I would say that I dont believe mankind is so evil that some individuals would want to enslave the whole world. I am THAT naive ;)
>>"I dont believe mankind is so evil that some individuals would want to enslave the whole world."
- I beleive it's emergent. Remember we evolved one step at a time from the jungle..
People can outbreed any tech advancement... other creatures routinely use the "max breeding, high mortality" strategy; Octopus is the most extreme example, with 1000 offspring (most eaten or starve).
In such a competative world, 'enslavers' best garantee their own survival.
@BaldersHymn By using provocative phrases like "limitless," your mind exercises stimulate the small minded people to think that we as humans could generate a couple of universes per second or something foolish.
Please, at least limit your academic exercises to somewhat practical application of known human capabilities, otherwise "becoming GOD happens." This is because science has always determined some kind of limitations on anything that we've discovered so far.
@oldspammer I'm glad it provoces you. It was limitless thinking that made the Wright brothers fly. The Universe is limitless, therefor everything within it is also limitless. You, Sir, are limitless potential. Put in another way; if you put limtis on your research, you have no options. If you have no limits on your research, you always have options.
@walter0bz According to the Alien Reproductive Vehicles design, speed of light has already been broken. Thoughts travel faster than light. Anyways, would you agree then that our complexity and achievements continue to push the current limits, expanding, evolving forever... Or will we meet an "evolutionary wall" where we can no longer evolve due to finite limit?
>>"Or will we meet an "evolutionary wall" where we can no longer evolve due to finite limit?"
- There's a theory that the human brain is already the peak complexity possible in this universe. i.e. if it was larger, the signals would take longer to propogate, and rival tech such as digital computers wont be likely to match the self-organising "nano-assemblers" we're built of. (compare what brain does in 20Watts compared to digital computers required to simulate it..)
having said that, I think humans + digital computers (or even books in the past) already create a more intelligent 'super-organism' (where each brain is one cell)
It is possible we will see greater ordering of matter, e.g. imagine if we DID colonize other planets or build orbital datacentres augmenting the processing going on - but I dont think we will ever break free of experiencing Scarcity.
I dont think nature would tolerate energy requirement for our brains if life was easy
if we could acheived VP world i.e. machines could support us without the need for us to work, I strongly beleive evolution would kick in and our brains would shrink, (no more selection pressure, un-necassery organ),
we'd have replaced ourselves with the machines that support us.
I actually really like this sort of posthuman vision, since I'm a misanthrope.. I'd be very dissapointed if we WERE the pinacle as that theory about our brains states.
@walter0bz Thank you for your very interesting views. Allow me to add to yours... Extra Sensory Perception comes when brainwaves calm down. In todays society we have a too high BW freq. This freq is associated with primal survival, competition and reproduction rules. Diseases and psychic illness follows. My hope is that in a VP society, basic survival is taken care of, and we will relaxe and trust eachother, and our BW freq will lower. Then ESP will kick in. Could this be an evolutionary path...
>>"Then ESP will kick in. Could this be an evolutionary path..."
- IMO.. I dont beleive evolution would have engineered an ESP function as you describe without it already being usefull.
I know there's possibility of brains to sense electromagnetic info, animals can sense coming storm / navigate etc - i'd say its more likely that these are functions (instincts) that we no longer needed in the technological world where machines and "reasoning/word of mouth" support us.
[more] IMO, there's a sliding scale between individual complexity and collective complexity with individual *simplicity*. So there might be instincts & 'advanced' capabilities we needed as individual hunters in the jungle, that we *lose* with society+technology when we can rely on specialized roles & machines. Again perhaps any ESP-style capabilities fall in this category.
[i'm saying individual hunter =individually more capable than society member,
@walter0bz Also, love is of a lower BW freq. Could it be that we could actually love more in a VP society? Could we build machines to extend our practicalities on earth, but build them with love so they never would be a threat to man? To live in peace and harmony with our creations made "in our image"?
>>"Could we build machines to extend our practicalities on earth, but build them with love so they never would be a threat to man? "
- imo, NO, because they're built by humans who are using them to compete, whatever they say.
Only way to eliminate competition would be this "thought-experiment":-
*ban family & partner selection* - reproduction based on sperm-bank lottery, males&females aren't competing for best mates; + regularly randomly redistribute offspring between homes
@walter0bz Your views on competition is very limiting and cynical on its own. It is of the world we have been raised in, but there´s no need to adapt that view. Even if it is true from that perspective. Elevate. See it from higher perspectives. There could be a higher meaning to why that particular sperm won the race. (reminds me of a fun quote: Even if you win the rat race, you´re still a rat ;) Why did the Native Indians raise every kid as their own? Shouldn´t we do the same? We do.
>>"Your views on competition is very limiting and cynical on its own. It is of the world we have been raised in, but there´s no need to adapt that view."
- I find the idea that we can just all agree to stop competing insanely optimistic. How do you convince the people in winning position to give it up ?
>>"Why did the Native Indians raise every kid as their own?"
- they were tribal. They helped members of same tribe compete with others.
@walter0bz Competition in a given enviroment could bring out the best in people. Thats when we are elevated. In a lower sense, competition is for survival and the competitors must die for my own survival.
Though, with todays profit-motive, I agree with your statement that people would build biased machines that could kill or manipulate.
- Natural currency is DNA. people compete to get highest survival chance for their own offspring. This is irrespective of profit / monetary system. Money just measures human issues.
I completely reject VP's claim that competition is an artefact of the monetary system. Its the other way round - money emerged to measure competition and help people who DONT care about eachother to interact.
>>"Could we build machines to extend our practicalities on earth, but build them with love so they never would be a threat to man?"
- IMO to truly escape 'work' (i.e. competative & supporting ability, requiring "perceived effort"), the machines would have to be superior to humans, and they'd figure out they dont need us.
If they *need* us for maintainance & design, then thats... "WORK"
IMO VP it a impractical populist meme .."thought experiment" at best.
Have you seen the theory that art is just people trying to prove to others how good their brains are ..
Look at sport - where people have instinct to worship winners of otherwise useless competition, and voluntarily hand over millions to them. Thats Emergent, not capitalist-engineered.
So much of human condition is competition. Right down to 'males/females','family'. (mismatch between abundant sperm & scarce uterus = imperative for eugenic competition, see rest of nature..)
@walter0bz Art - good brains - No I havent seen it from that perspective. And, its probably true for those who view it from there, but to me it is a too low perspective. Art is an experience.
Sports - Olympia long time ago - The winner earned fame for himself and his village - The losers were respected - but the cheaters were carved in stone with a plaque describing their "sin". This I believe was the height of sports, before money and politics got involved. Today sports are corrupted....
>>"Sports - Olympia long time ago - The winner earned fame for himself and his village - The losers were respected "
- disagree. They were hugely competative, I saw a doc explaining losers were reviled as weak. It was all about 'tribal champions'. elevating the DNA that had biggest chance of allowing the group to win agaist other groups.
- but this is purely emergant. Why do people hand over money (resources) to WATCH others play sport , instead of playing it themselves ? ... because they have an instinct to worship potential tribal champions.
the market just reflects problems inherent with human beings. If people wanted to co-operate, money wouldn't have evolved.
@walter0bz I'd like to wrap up with you respectfully. I have read all your posts with interest and have thought through what you have written. You were right from the beginning, VP people are over optimistic people with a sense of a tangible inner good spirit. :) I used to have a cynical view on things, but I fell ill fast. Now i choose to look at things highly optimistic. I'm happier and healthier now. I'm probably one of the VP people you like to argue with ;)
@walter0bz Your view on competition is the same view a cancer cell has in regards to the body. The cancer cells individual dna may be stronger than original cells, and thus it multiplies until body dies. Same analogy with competitive men killing this world and other men for egoistic rewards. But he kills himself also in the process, as the cancer cell kills the body. Thats why a win-win-win situation is always co-operation.
@walter0bz PDF - nice reading. Reminds me of M. Rupperts Collapse. "..China now executes people for stealing fuel"? Thats a bit harsh. Is that true?
I agree with you re. expectations. Though, I have an expectation of seeing an overunity machine. Maybe over the expectation top? ;) I dare to hope. IF there was such a machine, it would give the PDF a happy ending. New challenges would certainly appear, but... lets enjoy the victory for now ;) I agree, renewables may not be the solution.
renewables are the ONLY long term option, and we must prepare for their limitations. Its best for everyone to be realistic, instead of dreaming about over-unity machines.
I think we should ramp up nuclear in the short term to carry us through,
only solution is global 1CP, without that matt savinar's scenario is garanteed.
Over unity machines has been confirmed by individuals, but allegedly been held back by gvrnmnt or oil corp. Some youtube videos here claim to have over unity, but being refused by patent office. I think its plausible, not impossible.
How about geothermal? Permanent magnets?
Could future nano technology fabricate and assemble atoms and molecules for the desired resources? Nothing would be scarce anymore. "Gold made from stone". Possible?
>>"Could future nano technology fabricate and assemble atoms and molecules for the desired resources? Nothing would be scarce anymore. "
IMO, misconception on your part.
ENERGY is the master resource (required to power any material transformation, nano or not), & the most important material for us is *food*... We *already* have Nanotech for this, called 'plants' :)
I continue to disagree on "over unity": Military would use if it existed, & it would be used to breed soldiers.
>>"Over unity machines has been confirmed by individuals, but allegedly been held back by gvrnmnt or oil corp."
- to apply Mat Savinar's logic, this is unlikely because: What better way to keep the money flowing than to tell people there's infinite future energy ? it would allow the debt bubble to continue, and the existing rulers to keep power.
Widespread acceptance of peak oil will cause rebellion & breakdown in civilization
@walter0bz Just read the whole PDF.... I get taken in by this stuff every time.... Its just so sad. Its a future I cannot focus on, as I believe what I focus upon, becomes. So, I still hope for a wild card. Many writers that have "inside" connections are speaking of surprises re. energy devices. It has always been clear to me that we should be out exploring space. Hell, I feel like I´ve flown spaceships before. I will not subscribe to his view of doom, even if plausible...
@walter0bz There is also one other way of viewing things, that comes to mind. That of the narcissistic. It must take narcissism to climb the corporate ladder knowing consciously that one steps on others. Those not knowing are excused until they become aware. ;) It would be contrary to compassion. I think we will find many Narcs in Wall Street. The most telling thing about Narcs is that they are self-contradictory, and "it my way, or the highway". I wouldn´t wanna be friends with that...
@oldspammer Observed facts: Man can fly. Who would have thought? Oh yeah, the one who sought to overcome the limit, hence removing the limit alltogether. Man will fly without machines or aid in the future.
Religions have the same core. Build bridges. Crime = Latin for Judgement. No, we want to remove judgement altogether, as written in the religious texts.
Sir - read the energy behind the words, it will exalt you, as I tried to exalt you.
@oldspammer Your body has its time here on Earth, but it can be lengthened with correct exercises of mind, emotion and body. According to Bible, Noah became 800 years. But your core, spirit, is immortal.
Research is limited only by creativity. Everything can be overcome or worked around....
- apologies if i'm wrong, but whenever I see ZPE its always mentioned as FREE energy, FREE means LIMITLESS, if there is any sort of limit it would have a PRICE or be subject to some other form of RATIONING.
I project the "Becoming GOD" scenario to illustrate to ZPE-beleivers just how ridiculous the concept of FREE energy is.
@walter0bz And yeah, its without limits. Imagine the bomb.... Thats also why the technology is being held. It breaks Einsteins statement "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it only transforms". So it certainly would mean a paradigm shift for us and our accepted scientific views...
>>" Thats exactly why it hasnt been introduced yet."
- my point is the people who had such power just wouldn't need to care. They would be on a seperate plane. Whatever they wanted, they could use the energy to make. maybe reconstitute raw materials from scrap metal and barter for outside items, whatever.
@walter0bz Could be. I like to envision a future where this power were used for peaceful means. If resources were abundant, maybe there wouldnt be war no more...
>>"I like to envision a future where this power were used for peaceful means."
do you honestly beleive FREE energy is possible, with reference to my post below.
One interesting point is that Fossil Fuels with EROI as high as 100 were practically already "FREE" energy compared to the previous systems.. all that happened was we multiplied until it was scarce.
@walter0bz As I was explained, the background energy (zero point) is a bobbling pot with potential positive and negative energy coming and going - in and out - but not into or out of our existence. They are "potential" energy, possible energy. But once they are attracted to our existence, given enough of them, they burst into our existence in the form of a photon. So yes, it is really limitless. This is the new thought and acceptance, limitless potential (paradigm shift).
@walter0bz Please tell me where it is documented a non-fictional, tried and tested, efficient way to create matter from energy? How much energy is needed at one time? Does machinery wear out that does this & how quickly? How much money & how long to build these machines?
How do we know if tapping Zpe "too much" will not cause some form of slight collapsing / weakening of localized space time as is hinted at in numerous science fiction shows like Stargate Atlantis, Startrek TNG, Fringe, etc?
@walter0bz Who was foolish enough to presume infinite anything?
You keep trying to trick people with this concept of a feedback loop of free energy to infinitely trigger production of more--this is immoral, please stop. There is no usable input that would not interfere, for example, in the negative resistance mechanism used by some of these devices.
@walter0bz Say that you live modestly and have a requirement for 1000 Watts on average all of the time spread across 3 to 15 different electrical devices in your home. You just buy 15 of the portable 100 Watt units and ration their electrical output to satisfy your energy demands.
Once purchased for your own personal use, no rich tycoon can turn off your energy supply. Nothing extremely expensive, but nothing infinite about it.
@walter0bz Sorry, but I cannot perform fusion or fission by myself, and I do not want to fund bankers to invest in a mega project on my behalf to create a centrally metered system where I will have to pay for the system in any ongoing fashion via taxes, electric bills, nor the inflation of the money supply (government acting on my behalf).
Transmutation of which is scientifically known is of limited application in the real world otherwise power stations and physics labs would be self-funding.
@oldspammer By transmutation, I mean to say energy transmutation and not matter transmutation (which is much simpler and available in chemical "cold fusion").
@walter0bz "... starting with hydrogen" -- No, I said starting with just energy alone and no supply of other inputs like matter grabbed from other places.
From what I gather in the scientific world, scientists have been able to make matter from energy but it is so unstable that it lasts an extremely short amount of time--if not, please link me up with the right keyword search to find the information on this?
>>"From what I gather in the scientific world, scientists have been able to make matter from energy but it is so unstable " i was refering to that, but if its not possible then I adjust my argument to refer to the amount of hydrogen available :)
as I understand we're limited by energy not matter.
>>"How do we know if tapping Zpe "too much" will not cause some form of slight collapsing / weakening "
- i'm with you here, whatever energy sources we have now & in future I'm sure there will always be some LIMIT, which means FREE is impossible.
People can easily outbreed any technical advances (only takes TFR=3.0 for pop to double every 40 years) - so thats why stable societies will always be subject to some sort of rationing.
@walter0bz A group of people with an advanced education are very unlikely to breed without examining their situation and that of their potential offspring. It is in countries where folklore, fairy tales, religious teachings to "go forth and multiply" persist, where families routinely have many children early in their lives where 4 or 5 generations are alive simultaneously that overpopulation is stimulated.
@walter0bz In a natural setting no one would be allowed to emigrate / spread so that they must live in the beds that they have made for themselves, fighting over more and more scarce food / shelter / energy resources.
I realized long ago that elites who endorse immigration are destroying their existing constituent population in favor of destroying both the country of origin of the immigrants as well as the domestic population of their own country. This practice lowers the standard of living.
@oldspammer It makes it so that the origin country can continue to overpopulate a while longer without dealing with their population explosion and other accompanying problems like political unrest, stupid government policy decisions/ programs, and it exports the problems to the destination country by increasing the number of people there, and of the number of those with a mindset to continue to overpopulate without limits without considering or dealing with the consequences.
@walter0bz The Alien Reproduction Vehicles engine is a zero-point machine running a huge tesla coil that generates an electromagnetic field around the saucer-shaped vehicle, that is so strong that it cancels mass. Hows that for ya? :c) This means that the vehicle can accelerate instantly to extreme speeds, make sick manouvers while the crew notices nothing, and it can go faster than light. Look for it here on YouTube. Now... if this is true also... U see the paradigm shift coming?
I dont believe in ZPE. if it was possible, a ZPE armed force would have exterminated us already and repopulated earth with their own offspring.
>>"This means that the vehicle can accelerate instantly to extreme speeds, make sick manouvers while the crew notices nothing, and it can go faster than light."
- maybe there are supressed military propulsion secrets, but overall energy... i doubt it.
All the worlds complexity is down to competition for finite energy sources.
I firmly beleive "infinite" or "free" energy can never exist. Given any incremental improvement in energy supply, humans (or other creatures) can always out-multiply it. e.g. it only takes TFR=3.0 for population to double every 40 years and some countries have TFR=7 !
I firmly beleive life will always exist on the edge of scarcity (natural instinct to multiply, but rationing systems or competition holding it on the edge of available energy)
@walter0bz Zpe devices are limited by mankind's current technologies.
It is my thinking that the TPU uses a small 9 Volt battery to send a stream of highly tuned pulses into the toroid. The pulses travel through the transistor and IC circuitry and windings making use of the fact that the speed / flow of electrical energy is limited. By using an out of phase part of the pulse waveform, the battery's power is not instantly drained. The battery and coils both act to "shake energy out of the zp."
@walter0bz For the Steve Mark TPU system, the battery's chemicals will wear down during constant charge / discharge involved. The battery size / strength cannot be overdone because the transistor switches used have power handling and frequency response limitations that could be smoked due to overheating.
Apparently, these units go out of tune possibly due to environmental change and frequency drift. The zpe system works to form what some call a negative resistor via EM coil pulses & battery.
@walter0bz Are you stupid? You came up with same ideas in another discussion.
There's no feedback loop to the zero point virtual photon flux.
You are promoting a Rothschild, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller reality by insisting that all of these are infinite energy sources or perpetual motion machines when they are strictly not.
Each one costs money, time, effort, skill & material to build-all of which are finite for each individual out there--do you get me?
@walter0bz Apparently, there are a number of videos and some play lists about Toroidal Power Unit or Steve Mark.
As usual, I noticed a number of Rothschild, Rockefeller Agent idiots claiming in the comments but not illustrating fraud was being done.
In one Project Camelot video asked at the end during Q&A discussion if he had seen any Earth based free energy physics-based inventions--says yes, in the mid 1970s. A guy had a magnetic motor he demonstrated to US Patent office then he went missing
@walter0bz No, not paddy fields. Hydroponis is the ebb and flow of water and nutrients, leaving the roots hanging exposed to oxygen most of the time. Together with aeroponics, these are growing technology developed by NASA for soilless growing of food in zero-G enviroment. :)
Paddy fields. Romans shifting water around in aqueducts.
Traditional / Future-sustainable agri: Water + Sunlight + Animal Waste -> Food. Population 0.5-2billion. Sunlight powers additional animals+machines.
Present agri: sunlight+additional nutrients synthesized from fossil fuels , and fossil fuels power additional machines, allowing overpopulation of 6.7+billion,
People dress it up to sell it as futuristic, but hydroponics can't feed same population
@walter0bz Hydroponics is more efficient than other means of growing. The roots develop finer smaller roots that pick up more nutrients allowing for more growth. Hydroponics allows for year round growth, and growth in height. You cannot compare this with ordinary agriculture. It WILL sustain far greater population than we have today. This is not even arguable, its a fact. Overpopulation is a myth.
>>" It WILL sustain far greater population than we have today. "
I firmly beleive that anything solar (renewable) powered has been pretty well explored by the biosphere, which already has mastered "nano-tech assemblers". Ants already use fungus for type of agriculture etc..
A solar-powered aparatus that makes more solar panels and food? A vertical farm? its' called a "Fruit Tree".
Important to seperate how much recent progress is 'ingenuity' vs 'fossil fuel energy'
@walter0bz Yes, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Only in combination with a new source of abundant energy can we have food in real abundance. I do believe we can feed the whole population with todays production, but hydroponics together with, say, zero point, would dwarf todays production...
It does not evolve naturally because rich tycoons who are heavily invested in the current Babylonian economic system are heavily corrupting it and steering it towards collapse on purpose so that their decedents end up as the firm rulers of the world.
There are two ways of policy making: reasoned vs political.
To insure a firm grip on future power, they believe that they must depopulate, deindustrialize, dumb-down everyone else's children and not their own.
the main problem is real physical limits, all the systems and individual behaviours we are plagued with are usually "the least bad way" of dealing with physical limits.
the elites are just those who came out on top after the last stress-point/revolution, or who arbitrated all our problems, etc.
Ok, from what I read, they have an idea of making a park to spur interest in the city and the creation of other cities to further scientific knowledge.
It does not appear that the whole purpose of this project is to create a theme park. Can you cite a source which says something similar to "This project is for the intention of creating a theme park" ?
I am glad that you cited a source, thanks, but that is one line, do you have any further details?
@walter0bz Takes one to know one? Change your operatingsystem in you brain. Go for the 2011 model where selflove and selfacceptance is the basecode. This way, you´ll see we´re all imperfect, but perfect. Utopia actually means "NoWhere", so you´re right. What JFresco meant is that his social model is not perfect, it will never be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than the one we have today, and opens up for new horizons thereafter!
You contradicts yourself all the time. Your comments are worthless. Maybe in a few years you'll see how you were stupid. No offense but you know too little about the world kid.
@Peterwhitlock look beleive in God all you want but doesnt the bible, quran, and all other religions tell you not to be too dependent on God.. i mean is it a sin to invent new stuff, experience new things, and to move forward, also learn new things about our world...?and how is this being a traitor to God..?
@mercartax If there´s a universe, there is a God, because the two are synonymous. What people misunderstand is that there is an "external" God, a man with a beard in the sky. The fact is, that we all are part of "God". Define "God" correctly, and all religions makes sense.
Those cities actually are designed to not have the need for laws, because they deal with the problems at the source. There would be no "law" against stealing because the things people need are created in abundance for them.
beautyfull idea. thank's to god or whatever for people like Fresco. work for pleasure - I know something about it. and ... there is no such a thing as utopia, there is only indoctriation... and peoples mind are infinite
Remove all physical resource limits, and humans would still compete for mates. Quality & quantity.. *reproductive-power*
as soon as you have choice, you have winners & losers.. competition. Its the nature of reality. it is impossible to fix.
hehe If you could genetically engineer ASEXUAL humans (or ecto-genesis like in brave-new-world), then yes you could eliminate competition. as it happens, individuals DNA is unique.. scarce.
Reality is FINITE. any *scientist* will tell you.
Some resource is always the Limiting Factor for our activities (be it farmland, or oil).
If group 'A' controls the current limiting factor, group 'B' has an incentive to invent new technology. (eg Jacques example of nazis inventing synthetic rubber to get around allies embargo)
Power comes from violence, intellect, family-connections, herd-popularity, sex,
etc Money just quantifies..
eliminating money wont eliminate imbalances between people
So what's your point? 125 dollars for something HE PROVIDE FOR FREE. Information is provided for free on the website, you don't need to pay for it. When people pay for this they KNOW that they're DONATING. Jacques can make a lot of money right now if he sold his designs, but he DIDN'T.
Also I don't think your religious allegory of snakes in a garden will sway anyone towards your arguments, so spare us that poetic nonsense. And just because you got a lot of time to troll doesn't mean we do.
Yes he has influence from Buck Minister Fuller, so I guess when people do anything relating to another person's creation, they have no education? Creativity is based upon learning from existing knowledge and building on it. So if we followed your logic everyone in the world and in history is a fake.
Also, I doubt your religious fanaticism will help convince educated people from believing in a SCIENTIFICALLY based world system.
we'll never see that kind of society. we'll die from war, tsunamis', warming and racisms first. we cant even convert from gas powered vehicle to 100% electric. hybrid's 50/50 is bullshit. government needs money too :)
WTF! Before you watch the movie somewhere for free online, please consider that this documentary cost REAL money to produce, and our only way of making the investor his money back on the film (notice I did not say make a profit...we're nowhere close to that) is through DVD sales. Please don't be so inconsiderate. -William Gazecki, Future by Design Producer/Director
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nomadazm 4 months ago
Why don't we at the very least attempt to reproduce his designs? Airplanes, buildings, machines that make homes, roads, bridges and take care of our trash... we should at least give it a shot.
ontopofthe7thhill 4 months ago
thumbs up if you you think that our future is way darker than that....
rg3120pr 5 months ago
Resource Based Economy NOW!
natanteam 5 months ago
if this is the future...O.o i cant WAIT!
PhotoShop1012 5 months ago
your range of thought is the key here. If you can imagine it, it exists. He knows this, and goes ahead and expands his thought based on his imagination instead of what on what has been...... Higher mind and work and play in the fields of creativity and expansion! Awesome!
wildersara 6 months ago
if we are to see this in the near future then, we have to evolve as species. Of course we already have the technology for such achievements or even greater. Unfortunately human beings lack the courage and intelligence to let go their ego, based on physical wealth is an illusion. This makes it impossible for us all humans to evolve in the positive way. Hopefully in the future we will all embrace the positive and evolve to see and experience the infinite.
tjxkid 6 months ago
I like how he's so cute.
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Gia5MillionGreenJobs 6 months ago
"...all the marvels and wonders of technology can amount to nothing unless it elevates humans to their highest potential..."-jacque fresco
bedhed17 6 months ago
I just watched this on Netflix too.Im amazed!
mirakhil 7 months ago
i watched this on netflix! So amazing and informative of ideas of what might come to humanity in the future. It really moved me... srsly! :0
xTipshedax 7 months ago
Can't we just recycle the 300 or so humans raping our world and get on with it?...
AccidentalBroadcast 7 months ago
It really was a great documentary. I watched it last night on Netflix. Jacque Fresco is my new hero. :)
ThePhotonconcepts 7 months ago
I love this project *-*
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people live what their nation holds as example. If you have competition between democrats and republicans, competition is easy to be seen as virtue in politics, and doesn't seem to die; and thus becomes a culture of its own. So with the money and importance with a monetary system. Remember... money can grow but people who access it are limited. Majority of the food is limitless, technology can be limitless, education also, but what holds these great benefits to our survival are the cost.
enlighteneveryone 8 months ago
To our future generations this will be normal and logical!!!!!
OUR PRESENT SOCIETY IS VERY LIMITED IN ALL WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
iberianful 10 months ago 6
starts with forced sterilization
trufiend138 11 months ago
how will all these things be built without oil??
topdown03g 11 months ago
@topdown03g For my tuppence worth, the cultivation of the hemp (cannabis) plant would certainly help. If you do some research into this plant you will realize why the oligarchy have misinformed and mislead the public into believing it is a social evil. This plant alone would solve a multitude of issues affecting many facets of our modern society.
AmhranaiAlainn 10 months ago
@AmhranaiAlainn Your preaching to the choir buddy... but how would you use hemp to create buildings or anything plastic... i meant the original comment to be sarcastic but glad it got your interest
topdown03g 10 months ago
@topdown03g @topdown03g Understood :). I've read that hemp can be processed into plastic and hemp 'wood' is stronger than common building timber. Also, Henry Ford's 1st car had panels in it made from hemp.
Most answers to mankind's issues can be found in becoming wiser about the simplicity of life & about the natural world we inhabit . The pursuit of knowledge at the expense of wisdom is an end to itself. One must use wisdom when implementing knowledge.
AmhranaiAlainn 10 months ago
that's a shame that this trailer doesn't mention the main concept of the city and future civilization - NO MONEY, banks or governments!
fantasmagoria00 1 year ago 14
@fantasmagoria00
I don't know if I would sya that the Resource Based Economy is the "main" concept. It's one of several. Jacque also believes that use of technology to aleviate pain is also a fundamental motivator.
wgazecki 1 year ago
@fantasmagoria00
I don't know if I would say that the Resource Based Economy is the "main" concept. It's one of several. Jacque also believes that use of technology to aleviate pain is also a fundamental motivator.
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1:37 is the monorail in Dubai. Was he involved with designing that?
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i see no reason that we cannot bring these images into the present
HumanityRevolution 1 year ago
Jacque Fresco definitely DID NOT have a 6-figure income at anytime during his life. He lived on odd jobs and creating/selling commissioned inventions.
wgazecki 1 year ago 4
He could also sell his secrets to long living.
helmfer 1 year ago
the ideas are cool, but he's able to promote this idea because he got paid a 6 figure income to tinker with his whole life, then talks about a cashless society for everyone while strolling through a nice green ,lush jungle plot that he bought with cash making it seem so easy... Dubai is already built like that though ... maybe he was the designer there.
2237lemon 1 year ago
It looks like our system has reached a peak in standard of living because poverty is spreading across the globe. Machine automation has a lot to do with that phenomenon, so why not use that tool to our advantage and shorten the workday and improve the infrastructure we all enjoy. Any one qualified in technical knowledge or improvement idea in a given field is put in charge as coordinator for that project, so there are no leaders in a resource based economy and it is constantly improving.
ha32a2 1 year ago
@ha32a2 -
Seemingly paradoxical but,
-[1] While the fossil-fuels are still flowing, machine automation allows population explosion by feeding billions of extra people.
-[2] When the fossil-fuels are depleted, the machines shut down. The billions extra people starve, and the majority of survivors go back to hard manual labour to survive (eg permaculture farming)
-[3] In either scenario, people can always outbreed any technological progress, which guarantees poverty/famines.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz -1 = Science shows that when a species are in deep fear, that is, worried for its own extintion, it reproduces like hell. :c) With the advent of terror and fascism, we sure are put fear into us. Though, this planet can sustain many times over this population, if food production is automated big time. 2 = Look for machines that produce more energy than they use, they´ve been with us since late 1800, but will soon surface to the public. 3 = Food can be produced via hydroponics amass!!
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
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@BaldersHymn
>>" Though, this planet can sustain many times over this population, if food production is automated big time"
- we already have this, oil based agriculture is superabundance and has produced rapid population growth.
Only colonizing space could continue to support that (with a strict population limit on earth)
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"2 = Look for machines that produce more energy than they use"
- Now we know you're talking out of your arse :)
If someone had this machine, they wouldn't need to tell anyone else about it. They could use the energy to create infinite prosperity for themselves, support unlimited wives and repopulate earth with their own offspring.. whatever floats their boat.
The reason we have all these competitive control structures is to deal with FINITE reality, not over-unity fantasy.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz The Earth was once flat! :) Don´t be caught baa-ing like the other sheeple. Our future is to be created, and our potential is unlimited. Old laws of physics have been broken before, and will be broken again. One of the top trends for 2011-2012 by Gerald Celente of the Trends Institute Research is exactly that, over-unity machines. If we look at how such a machine would impact an oil-based economy, there´s no wonder such a machine has been suppressed. Tesla did it late 1800.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" over-unity machines."
I can't take you seriously now.
Over unity ... connect output to input, what happens ?
If you had such power, you wouldn't CARE about the economy.
You wouldn't need to SELL the machine.
You'd just use the power.
You would be GOD.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz You start off the machine with external energy. Once the machine runs, it uses some of its produced energy to keep running, but the energy created is in surplus, so it could f.i. charge a battery while running. Your arguments are brilliant. Thats exactly why it hasnt been introduced yet. It would blowup the economy and it is not possible to sell, at least not for long. Let me tell you a story about the Alien Reproduction Vehicle....
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" but the energy created is in surplus"
- so, you use your over unity machine to power the apparatus to build *another* over-unity machine?
FREE means without limit.
Is it REALLY without limit?
or is it sapping energy from the earths magnetic field or something ? (eg if mass produced, it would interfere with the van-alan belt..)
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz The surplus energy could be used to power a car or a house effectively canceling use of fossil fuels, and the electric grid. If you wanted to build another I´m sure the energy could be used for that, though you need materials too. The energy from a Zero Point machine is, as I´ve been explained, the attraction and gathering of background energy, causing the energy to form a photon which is then gathered and transformed into usable energy. Google it... :)
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"The energy from a Zero Point machine is, as I´ve been explained, the attraction and gathering of background energy,"
- are you saying it has no limits whatsoever ??
Thought experiment, given limitless power, do you think people would be content to just live as they do now, or would they all try to upgrade their lifestyles & have more babies.
Are you telling me someone invented this machine, and HASN'T already figured out how to use it for personal gain ?
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
the reason we have a heirarchical power structure is that those in control want to preserve preferential access to finite, limited resources.
If they had a ZPE machine, they wouldn't need to bother with us.
Are you telling me a ZPE machine was invented, and the rulers of the world ignored it ?
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Your two last comments leave me with little argument. The ZPE is really limitless - (paradigm shift). But if people and governments know of these machines and use them? I believe yes. The latest sightings of UFOs and these blue spirals in the sky are most likely man-made. So they know. Most likely they know how it will impact the world also, and without the right conditioning, it could spiral the world into utter chaos. Disclosure (paradigm shift) will tell us more I believe...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" The ZPE is really limitless - (paradigm shift)."
- did my post come across wrong? I'm presenting parallels & thought experiments to demonstrate why I firmly believe LIMITLESS energy (paradigm shift) is impossible. Last time we had 'near' limitless energy, we just multiplied until it was scarce.
>>"But if people and governments know of these machines and use them? I believe yes"
- but if they have 'Limitless Energy', why would they bother controlling us? for WHAT end?
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz The approach taken to population control matters. There seems to be several methods being employed by the elites to tackle the problem. Most of these methods are evil and have been accurately criticized.
One in which they have not invested too much effort is education & empowerment of women in male dominated societies.
Rich elites would rather see themselves getting more wealthy from the misery of others by causing wars, famine, & artificial monetary shortages, then steal from poor.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn - to spell it out again, if they had limitless "energy" , they wouldn't need money. So what would they be controlling us FOR ?
slaves? they'd just have more kids, and have 'slaves' that are trusted family.
I assert - the compexity of the present world means ZPE is very unlikely to exist.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz This is an argument of different perspectives. Neither of us can prove that limitless energy exists or does not exist, so we are left with our beliefs. I will always believe there is limitless energy, keeping the option available, instead of shutting out the possibility.
You talk of control, I talk of maturity. There is a chance that people with this technology, should it exist, waits for the world to grow up so it wont descend into complete chaos upon disclosure...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"You talk of control, I talk of maturity. "
- with infinite energy, you wouldn't NEED maturity. If you break something, you just make another one.
you could terraform or even MAKE planets.. everyone could make their own personal utopia.
I hope the thought experiment of "how would infinite energy be used" exposes just how impossible it is.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz But to be honest, I dont know. And I cant prove ZPE, so my arguments are just that, arguments. For this argument, I would say that I dont believe mankind is so evil that some individuals would want to enslave the whole world. I am THAT naive ;)
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"I dont believe mankind is so evil that some individuals would want to enslave the whole world."
- I beleive it's emergent. Remember we evolved one step at a time from the jungle..
People can outbreed any tech advancement... other creatures routinely use the "max breeding, high mortality" strategy; Octopus is the most extreme example, with 1000 offspring (most eaten or starve).
In such a competative world, 'enslavers' best garantee their own survival.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I do not agree. The 'slaves' in union will always prevail.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn By using provocative phrases like "limitless," your mind exercises stimulate the small minded people to think that we as humans could generate a couple of universes per second or something foolish.
Please, at least limit your academic exercises to somewhat practical application of known human capabilities, otherwise "becoming GOD happens." This is because science has always determined some kind of limitations on anything that we've discovered so far.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer I'm glad it provoces you. It was limitless thinking that made the Wright brothers fly. The Universe is limitless, therefor everything within it is also limitless. You, Sir, are limitless potential. Put in another way; if you put limtis on your research, you have no options. If you have no limits on your research, you always have options.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
"The Universe is limitless, "
- no, it is bounded by laws like not exceeding the speed of light, or conservation of energy that limit US.
Our complexity & acheivements continue to evolve around dealing with limits.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz According to the Alien Reproductive Vehicles design, speed of light has already been broken. Thoughts travel faster than light. Anyways, would you agree then that our complexity and achievements continue to push the current limits, expanding, evolving forever... Or will we meet an "evolutionary wall" where we can no longer evolve due to finite limit?
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Or will we meet an "evolutionary wall" where we can no longer evolve due to finite limit?"
- There's a theory that the human brain is already the peak complexity possible in this universe. i.e. if it was larger, the signals would take longer to propogate, and rival tech such as digital computers wont be likely to match the self-organising "nano-assemblers" we're built of. (compare what brain does in 20Watts compared to digital computers required to simulate it..)
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walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
having said that, I think humans + digital computers (or even books in the past) already create a more intelligent 'super-organism' (where each brain is one cell)
It is possible we will see greater ordering of matter, e.g. imagine if we DID colonize other planets or build orbital datacentres augmenting the processing going on - but I dont think we will ever break free of experiencing Scarcity.
I dont think nature would tolerate energy requirement for our brains if life was easy
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
if we could acheived VP world i.e. machines could support us without the need for us to work, I strongly beleive evolution would kick in and our brains would shrink, (no more selection pressure, un-necassery organ),
we'd have replaced ourselves with the machines that support us.
I actually really like this sort of posthuman vision, since I'm a misanthrope.. I'd be very dissapointed if we WERE the pinacle as that theory about our brains states.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Thank you for your very interesting views. Allow me to add to yours... Extra Sensory Perception comes when brainwaves calm down. In todays society we have a too high BW freq. This freq is associated with primal survival, competition and reproduction rules. Diseases and psychic illness follows. My hope is that in a VP society, basic survival is taken care of, and we will relaxe and trust eachother, and our BW freq will lower. Then ESP will kick in. Could this be an evolutionary path...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Then ESP will kick in. Could this be an evolutionary path..."
- IMO.. I dont beleive evolution would have engineered an ESP function as you describe without it already being usefull.
I know there's possibility of brains to sense electromagnetic info, animals can sense coming storm / navigate etc - i'd say its more likely that these are functions (instincts) that we no longer needed in the technological world where machines and "reasoning/word of mouth" support us.
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walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
[more] IMO, there's a sliding scale between individual complexity and collective complexity with individual *simplicity*. So there might be instincts & 'advanced' capabilities we needed as individual hunters in the jungle, that we *lose* with society+technology when we can rely on specialized roles & machines. Again perhaps any ESP-style capabilities fall in this category.
[i'm saying individual hunter =individually more capable than society member,
like amoeba vs braincell]
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Also, love is of a lower BW freq. Could it be that we could actually love more in a VP society? Could we build machines to extend our practicalities on earth, but build them with love so they never would be a threat to man? To live in peace and harmony with our creations made "in our image"?
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
>>"Could it be that we could actually love more in a VP society? "
IMO, no.
'love' different side of same coin as 'hate', and is about genetic competition ( e.g. ability to spot your relatives who you prioritize over others)
With no need for competition, brain functions would diminish. IMO a VP world would become apethetic.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Could we build machines to extend our practicalities on earth, but build them with love so they never would be a threat to man? "
- imo, NO, because they're built by humans who are using them to compete, whatever they say.
Only way to eliminate competition would be this "thought-experiment":-
*ban family & partner selection* - reproduction based on sperm-bank lottery, males&females aren't competing for best mates; + regularly randomly redistribute offspring between homes
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Your views on competition is very limiting and cynical on its own. It is of the world we have been raised in, but there´s no need to adapt that view. Even if it is true from that perspective. Elevate. See it from higher perspectives. There could be a higher meaning to why that particular sperm won the race. (reminds me of a fun quote: Even if you win the rat race, you´re still a rat ;) Why did the Native Indians raise every kid as their own? Shouldn´t we do the same? We do.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Your views on competition is very limiting and cynical on its own. It is of the world we have been raised in, but there´s no need to adapt that view."
- I find the idea that we can just all agree to stop competing insanely optimistic. How do you convince the people in winning position to give it up ?
>>"Why did the Native Indians raise every kid as their own?"
- they were tribal. They helped members of same tribe compete with others.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Competition in a given enviroment could bring out the best in people. Thats when we are elevated. In a lower sense, competition is for survival and the competitors must die for my own survival.
Though, with todays profit-motive, I agree with your statement that people would build biased machines that could kill or manipulate.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Though, with todays profit-motive,"
- Natural currency is DNA. people compete to get highest survival chance for their own offspring. This is irrespective of profit / monetary system. Money just measures human issues.
I completely reject VP's claim that competition is an artefact of the monetary system. Its the other way round - money emerged to measure competition and help people who DONT care about eachother to interact.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Could we build machines to extend our practicalities on earth, but build them with love so they never would be a threat to man?"
- IMO to truly escape 'work' (i.e. competative & supporting ability, requiring "perceived effort"), the machines would have to be superior to humans, and they'd figure out they dont need us.
If they *need* us for maintainance & design, then thats... "WORK"
IMO VP it a impractical populist meme .."thought experiment" at best.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
Have you seen the theory that art is just people trying to prove to others how good their brains are ..
Look at sport - where people have instinct to worship winners of otherwise useless competition, and voluntarily hand over millions to them. Thats Emergent, not capitalist-engineered.
So much of human condition is competition. Right down to 'males/females','family'. (mismatch between abundant sperm & scarce uterus = imperative for eugenic competition, see rest of nature..)
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Art - good brains - No I havent seen it from that perspective. And, its probably true for those who view it from there, but to me it is a too low perspective. Art is an experience.
Sports - Olympia long time ago - The winner earned fame for himself and his village - The losers were respected - but the cheaters were carved in stone with a plaque describing their "sin". This I believe was the height of sports, before money and politics got involved. Today sports are corrupted....
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Art is an experience."
- but why do you care about it?
>>"Sports - Olympia long time ago - The winner earned fame for himself and his village - The losers were respected "
- disagree. They were hugely competative, I saw a doc explaining losers were reviled as weak. It was all about 'tribal champions'. elevating the DNA that had biggest chance of allowing the group to win agaist other groups.
Sports = war+hunting practice.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Today sports are corrupted...."
- but this is purely emergant. Why do people hand over money (resources) to WATCH others play sport , instead of playing it themselves ? ... because they have an instinct to worship potential tribal champions.
the market just reflects problems inherent with human beings. If people wanted to co-operate, money wouldn't have evolved.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I'd like to wrap up with you respectfully. I have read all your posts with interest and have thought through what you have written. You were right from the beginning, VP people are over optimistic people with a sense of a tangible inner good spirit. :) I used to have a cynical view on things, but I fell ill fast. Now i choose to look at things highly optimistic. I'm happier and healthier now. I'm probably one of the VP people you like to argue with ;)
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@walter0bz Your view on competition is the same view a cancer cell has in regards to the body. The cancer cells individual dna may be stronger than original cells, and thus it multiplies until body dies. Same analogy with competitive men killing this world and other men for egoistic rewards. But he kills himself also in the process, as the cancer cell kills the body. Thats why a win-win-win situation is always co-operation.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
I'm not describing the world I want, I'm describing the world I observe and reason about.
its best to be realistic in your expectations of otherwise you'll be dissapointed :)
>>"Thats why a win-win-win situation is always co-operation."
google "mat savinar peak oil die off" (1st link pdf), this is the best description reality I've read.
problem with VP is overopt on renewables.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz PDF - nice reading. Reminds me of M. Rupperts Collapse. "..China now executes people for stealing fuel"? Thats a bit harsh. Is that true?
I agree with you re. expectations. Though, I have an expectation of seeing an overunity machine. Maybe over the expectation top? ;) I dare to hope. IF there was such a machine, it would give the PDF a happy ending. New challenges would certainly appear, but... lets enjoy the victory for now ;) I agree, renewables may not be the solution.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" agree, renewables may not be the solution."
renewables are the ONLY long term option, and we must prepare for their limitations. Its best for everyone to be realistic, instead of dreaming about over-unity machines.
I think we should ramp up nuclear in the short term to carry us through,
only solution is global 1CP, without that matt savinar's scenario is garanteed.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz What is global 1CP?
Over unity machines has been confirmed by individuals, but allegedly been held back by gvrnmnt or oil corp. Some youtube videos here claim to have over unity, but being refused by patent office. I think its plausible, not impossible.
How about geothermal? Permanent magnets?
Could future nano technology fabricate and assemble atoms and molecules for the desired resources? Nothing would be scarce anymore. "Gold made from stone". Possible?
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Could future nano technology fabricate and assemble atoms and molecules for the desired resources? Nothing would be scarce anymore. "
IMO, misconception on your part.
ENERGY is the master resource (required to power any material transformation, nano or not), & the most important material for us is *food*... We *already* have Nanotech for this, called 'plants' :)
I continue to disagree on "over unity": Military would use if it existed, & it would be used to breed soldiers.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Over unity machines has been confirmed by individuals, but allegedly been held back by gvrnmnt or oil corp."
- to apply Mat Savinar's logic, this is unlikely because: What better way to keep the money flowing than to tell people there's infinite future energy ? it would allow the debt bubble to continue, and the existing rulers to keep power.
Widespread acceptance of peak oil will cause rebellion & breakdown in civilization
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Over unity machines has been confirmed by individuals, but allegedly been held back by gvrnmnt or oil corp"
- e.g. oil company would use the OverUnity machine to synthesize oil, oil would not -peak, and people wouldn't try to find alternatives to oil.
(eg. use overunity machine to power lights to grow algae biofuel, then sell that )
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Just read the whole PDF.... I get taken in by this stuff every time.... Its just so sad. Its a future I cannot focus on, as I believe what I focus upon, becomes. So, I still hope for a wild card. Many writers that have "inside" connections are speaking of surprises re. energy devices. It has always been clear to me that we should be out exploring space. Hell, I feel like I´ve flown spaceships before. I will not subscribe to his view of doom, even if plausible...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
@BaldersHymn
>> "What is global 1CP?"
One child policy. The unborn are saved starvation. It allows the diminishing resources to be used to save existing lives.
If you want a second child, you're allowed AFTER you demonstrate viable alternative energy lifestyle.
>>"It has always been clear to me that we should be out exploring space."
I would cap earths population at 2billion, and suggest anyone wanting more should pool their resources to get into space & breed there.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Just read the whole PDF"
great, its by far the best text I found, explaining the salient issues and quickly debunking the usual counterarguments.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz There is also one other way of viewing things, that comes to mind. That of the narcissistic. It must take narcissism to climb the corporate ladder knowing consciously that one steps on others. Those not knowing are excused until they become aware. ;) It would be contrary to compassion. I think we will find many Narcs in Wall Street. The most telling thing about Narcs is that they are self-contradictory, and "it my way, or the highway". I wouldn´t wanna be friends with that...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn Don't be a fool--smarten up! If one gets brain damage one's thinking is affected negatively.
"Limitless" is an opinion.
Stick to observed facts.
Religion tends to divide people, then enslave them to undesirable leaders who dominate society by criminal means--Do you want criminality?
What if I'm a woman--why say "Sir?" Why presume to know?
I am mortal--therefore ephemeral & very limited--you can`t be certain but may believe otherwise.
Research is limited by practical considerations.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer Observed facts: Man can fly. Who would have thought? Oh yeah, the one who sought to overcome the limit, hence removing the limit alltogether. Man will fly without machines or aid in the future.
Religions have the same core. Build bridges. Crime = Latin for Judgement. No, we want to remove judgement altogether, as written in the religious texts.
Sir - read the energy behind the words, it will exalt you, as I tried to exalt you.
You are not mortal. Load of BS.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"Observed facts: Man can fly. Who would have thought? "
- not that special an acheivement. birds and insects do it.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@oldspammer Your body has its time here on Earth, but it can be lengthened with correct exercises of mind, emotion and body. According to Bible, Noah became 800 years. But your core, spirit, is immortal.
Research is limited only by creativity. Everything can be overcome or worked around....
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"otherwise "becoming GOD happens." "
- apologies if i'm wrong, but whenever I see ZPE its always mentioned as FREE energy, FREE means LIMITLESS, if there is any sort of limit it would have a PRICE or be subject to some other form of RATIONING.
I project the "Becoming GOD" scenario to illustrate to ZPE-beleivers just how ridiculous the concept of FREE energy is.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz And yeah, its without limits. Imagine the bomb.... Thats also why the technology is being held. It breaks Einsteins statement "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it only transforms". So it certainly would mean a paradigm shift for us and our accepted scientific views...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" Thats exactly why it hasnt been introduced yet."
- my point is the people who had such power just wouldn't need to care. They would be on a seperate plane. Whatever they wanted, they could use the energy to make. maybe reconstitute raw materials from scrap metal and barter for outside items, whatever.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Could be. I like to envision a future where this power were used for peaceful means. If resources were abundant, maybe there wouldnt be war no more...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"I like to envision a future where this power were used for peaceful means."
do you honestly beleive FREE energy is possible, with reference to my post below.
One interesting point is that Fossil Fuels with EROI as high as 100 were practically already "FREE" energy compared to the previous systems.. all that happened was we multiplied until it was scarce.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz As I was explained, the background energy (zero point) is a bobbling pot with potential positive and negative energy coming and going - in and out - but not into or out of our existence. They are "potential" energy, possible energy. But once they are attracted to our existence, given enough of them, they burst into our existence in the form of a photon. So yes, it is really limitless. This is the new thought and acceptance, limitless potential (paradigm shift).
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
Are you actually aware that fossil-fuels caused a population explosion? (800m before industrial revolution, 6.7billion today.. 3X in one lifetime)
Or do you think the recent multiplication in our numbers is unreleated ?
Do you see the link between high TFR and poverty (divide land & resources thinner)?
Do you think your ZPE machine would not cause another population explosion proportional to the energy it creates..
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz If you find the time, maybe this video could give you something... watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@walter0bz Please tell me where it is documented a non-fictional, tried and tested, efficient way to create matter from energy? How much energy is needed at one time? Does machinery wear out that does this & how quickly? How much money & how long to build these machines?
How do we know if tapping Zpe "too much" will not cause some form of slight collapsing / weakening of localized space time as is hinted at in numerous science fiction shows like Stargate Atlantis, Startrek TNG, Fringe, etc?
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"Please tell me where it is documented a non-fictional, tried and tested, efficient way to create matter from energy?"
well if you can't, at the very least, with infinite energy you could harvest mass from the entire solar system, neighbouring solar systems..
you *can* transmute elements via fission & fusion.. everything can be created starting with hydrogen. plenty on jupiter.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Who was foolish enough to presume infinite anything?
You keep trying to trick people with this concept of a feedback loop of free energy to infinitely trigger production of more--this is immoral, please stop. There is no usable input that would not interfere, for example, in the negative resistance mechanism used by some of these devices.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Say that you live modestly and have a requirement for 1000 Watts on average all of the time spread across 3 to 15 different electrical devices in your home. You just buy 15 of the portable 100 Watt units and ration their electrical output to satisfy your energy demands.
Once purchased for your own personal use, no rich tycoon can turn off your energy supply. Nothing extremely expensive, but nothing infinite about it.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz Sorry, but I cannot perform fusion or fission by myself, and I do not want to fund bankers to invest in a mega project on my behalf to create a centrally metered system where I will have to pay for the system in any ongoing fashion via taxes, electric bills, nor the inflation of the money supply (government acting on my behalf).
Transmutation of which is scientifically known is of limited application in the real world otherwise power stations and physics labs would be self-funding.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer By transmutation, I mean to say energy transmutation and not matter transmutation (which is much simpler and available in chemical "cold fusion").
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz "... starting with hydrogen" -- No, I said starting with just energy alone and no supply of other inputs like matter grabbed from other places.
From what I gather in the scientific world, scientists have been able to make matter from energy but it is so unstable that it lasts an extremely short amount of time--if not, please link me up with the right keyword search to find the information on this?
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
>>"From what I gather in the scientific world, scientists have been able to make matter from energy but it is so unstable " i was refering to that, but if its not possible then I adjust my argument to refer to the amount of hydrogen available :)
as I understand we're limited by energy not matter.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@oldspammer
>>"How do we know if tapping Zpe "too much" will not cause some form of slight collapsing / weakening "
- i'm with you here, whatever energy sources we have now & in future I'm sure there will always be some LIMIT, which means FREE is impossible.
People can easily outbreed any technical advances (only takes TFR=3.0 for pop to double every 40 years) - so thats why stable societies will always be subject to some sort of rationing.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz A group of people with an advanced education are very unlikely to breed without examining their situation and that of their potential offspring. It is in countries where folklore, fairy tales, religious teachings to "go forth and multiply" persist, where families routinely have many children early in their lives where 4 or 5 generations are alive simultaneously that overpopulation is stimulated.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz In a natural setting no one would be allowed to emigrate / spread so that they must live in the beds that they have made for themselves, fighting over more and more scarce food / shelter / energy resources.
I realized long ago that elites who endorse immigration are destroying their existing constituent population in favor of destroying both the country of origin of the immigrants as well as the domestic population of their own country. This practice lowers the standard of living.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer It makes it so that the origin country can continue to overpopulate a while longer without dealing with their population explosion and other accompanying problems like political unrest, stupid government policy decisions/ programs, and it exports the problems to the destination country by increasing the number of people there, and of the number of those with a mindset to continue to overpopulate without limits without considering or dealing with the consequences.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz The Alien Reproduction Vehicles engine is a zero-point machine running a huge tesla coil that generates an electromagnetic field around the saucer-shaped vehicle, that is so strong that it cancels mass. Hows that for ya? :c) This means that the vehicle can accelerate instantly to extreme speeds, make sick manouvers while the crew notices nothing, and it can go faster than light. Look for it here on YouTube. Now... if this is true also... U see the paradigm shift coming?
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
I dont believe in ZPE. if it was possible, a ZPE armed force would have exterminated us already and repopulated earth with their own offspring.
>>"This means that the vehicle can accelerate instantly to extreme speeds, make sick manouvers while the crew notices nothing, and it can go faster than light."
- maybe there are supressed military propulsion secrets, but overall energy... i doubt it.
All the worlds complexity is down to competition for finite energy sources.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
I firmly beleive "infinite" or "free" energy can never exist. Given any incremental improvement in energy supply, humans (or other creatures) can always out-multiply it. e.g. it only takes TFR=3.0 for population to double every 40 years and some countries have TFR=7 !
I firmly beleive life will always exist on the edge of scarcity (natural instinct to multiply, but rationing systems or competition holding it on the edge of available energy)
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Zpe devices are limited by mankind's current technologies.
It is my thinking that the TPU uses a small 9 Volt battery to send a stream of highly tuned pulses into the toroid. The pulses travel through the transistor and IC circuitry and windings making use of the fact that the speed / flow of electrical energy is limited. By using an out of phase part of the pulse waveform, the battery's power is not instantly drained. The battery and coils both act to "shake energy out of the zp."
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz For the Steve Mark TPU system, the battery's chemicals will wear down during constant charge / discharge involved. The battery size / strength cannot be overdone because the transistor switches used have power handling and frequency response limitations that could be smoked due to overheating.
Apparently, these units go out of tune possibly due to environmental change and frequency drift. The zpe system works to form what some call a negative resistor via EM coil pulses & battery.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@walter0bz All of these devices only produce a few watts from zero point energy and have no inputs to produce "infinite feedback loop."
Immediately stop promoting this idea about becoming GOD by using 100 watts--it ain't gonna happen.
Like winning another lottery ticket with the one you bought is not going to make you instantly rich and change your lifestyle is it?
Google Vid search (tpu free energy) & watch at 7m45s into Steve Marks part 1
Google Video search >Testatika OR "Swiss ML converter"<
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
So, its not FREE energy after all? its LIMITED ? that means it would need rationing, PRICE ?
Does the machine give you as much energy as it takes to make the machine ?
Can you use the energy it outputs to make another?
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Are you stupid? You came up with same ideas in another discussion.
There's no feedback loop to the zero point virtual photon flux.
You are promoting a Rothschild, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller reality by insisting that all of these are infinite energy sources or perpetual motion machines when they are strictly not.
Each one costs money, time, effort, skill & material to build-all of which are finite for each individual out there--do you get me?
There's rarely superconductivity involved-OK?
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
>>There's rarely superconductivity involved-OK?
-ah ok so its not FREE energy.
so the machines are EXPENSIVE which is why we dont all use them ?
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Apparently, there are a number of videos and some play lists about Toroidal Power Unit or Steve Mark.
As usual, I noticed a number of Rothschild, Rockefeller Agent idiots claiming in the comments but not illustrating fraud was being done.
In one Project Camelot video asked at the end during Q&A discussion if he had seen any Earth based free energy physics-based inventions--says yes, in the mid 1970s. A guy had a magnetic motor he demonstrated to US Patent office then he went missing
oldspammer 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" 3 = Food can be produced via hydroponics amass!!"
- you mean like "paddy fields"? People have been shifting water around to grow food for milenia. Its nothing new.
If you have energy to power lights you can grow more sure, but the key thing is the energy limit..
plants are already Solar Power around which we evolved. Renewables wont improve on that.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz No, not paddy fields. Hydroponis is the ebb and flow of water and nutrients, leaving the roots hanging exposed to oxygen most of the time. Together with aeroponics, these are growing technology developed by NASA for soilless growing of food in zero-G enviroment. :)
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn -
Yada yada.
Paddy fields. Romans shifting water around in aqueducts.
Traditional / Future-sustainable agri: Water + Sunlight + Animal Waste -> Food. Population 0.5-2billion. Sunlight powers additional animals+machines.
Present agri: sunlight+additional nutrients synthesized from fossil fuels , and fossil fuels power additional machines, allowing overpopulation of 6.7+billion,
People dress it up to sell it as futuristic, but hydroponics can't feed same population
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Hydroponics is more efficient than other means of growing. The roots develop finer smaller roots that pick up more nutrients allowing for more growth. Hydroponics allows for year round growth, and growth in height. You cannot compare this with ordinary agriculture. It WILL sustain far greater population than we have today. This is not even arguable, its a fact. Overpopulation is a myth.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>"The roots develop finer smaller roots "
- plants already do this with symbiotic fungus
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" It WILL sustain far greater population than we have today. "
I firmly beleive that anything solar (renewable) powered has been pretty well explored by the biosphere, which already has mastered "nano-tech assemblers". Ants already use fungus for type of agriculture etc..
A solar-powered aparatus that makes more solar panels and food? A vertical farm? its' called a "Fruit Tree".
Important to seperate how much recent progress is 'ingenuity' vs 'fossil fuel energy'
walter0bz 1 year ago
@BaldersHymn
>>" This is not even arguable, its a fact. "
- well you can do the experiment.
See how long you last without fossil fuels. See how many people you can support in some fossil-fuel free community.
Money wont be a barrier, since you wont need any to buy fossil-fuel products.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Yes, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Only in combination with a new source of abundant energy can we have food in real abundance. I do believe we can feed the whole population with todays production, but hydroponics together with, say, zero point, would dwarf todays production...
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@ha32a2 The trouble is the system.
It does not evolve naturally because rich tycoons who are heavily invested in the current Babylonian economic system are heavily corrupting it and steering it towards collapse on purpose so that their decedents end up as the firm rulers of the world.
There are two ways of policy making: reasoned vs political.
To insure a firm grip on future power, they believe that they must depopulate, deindustrialize, dumb-down everyone else's children and not their own.
oldspammer 1 year ago
@oldspammer -
the main problem is real physical limits, all the systems and individual behaviours we are plagued with are usually "the least bad way" of dealing with physical limits.
the elites are just those who came out on top after the last stress-point/revolution, or who arbitrated all our problems, etc.
walter0bz 1 year ago
Jacque Fresco For President!!!
Dre072 1 year ago 3
@Peterwhitlock
There we go! Progress!
Ok, from what I read, they have an idea of making a park to spur interest in the city and the creation of other cities to further scientific knowledge.
It does not appear that the whole purpose of this project is to create a theme park. Can you cite a source which says something similar to "This project is for the intention of creating a theme park" ?
I am glad that you cited a source, thanks, but that is one line, do you have any further details?
BeyondDGrave 1 year ago 2
@BeyondDGrave Don't waste your time with that reject
gibbsies 1 year ago
@BeyondDGrave -
utopia is impossible because our species is basically an overadapted fuckup.
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz Takes one to know one? Change your operatingsystem in you brain. Go for the 2011 model where selflove and selfacceptance is the basecode. This way, you´ll see we´re all imperfect, but perfect. Utopia actually means "NoWhere", so you´re right. What JFresco meant is that his social model is not perfect, it will never be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than the one we have today, and opens up for new horizons thereafter!
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
@Peterwhitlock
You contradicts yourself all the time. Your comments are worthless. Maybe in a few years you'll see how you were stupid. No offense but you know too little about the world kid.
brainmercy 1 year ago
Hey' would all of you like to see my new invention? its the most extreme rat trap ever.
richman0010 1 year ago
@Peterwhitlock look beleive in God all you want but doesnt the bible, quran, and all other religions tell you not to be too dependent on God.. i mean is it a sin to invent new stuff, experience new things, and to move forward, also learn new things about our world...?and how is this being a traitor to God..?
TurkFutbol10 1 year ago
beautiful i saw him on the zeitgeist
t6yz 1 year ago
@Peterwhitlock
Bei dir sind Hopfen und Malz verloren. There is no god. SHOUTING does not make you sound right. Go teach yourself some manners.
mercartax 1 year ago
@mercartax If there´s a universe, there is a God, because the two are synonymous. What people misunderstand is that there is an "external" God, a man with a beard in the sky. The fact is, that we all are part of "God". Define "God" correctly, and all religions makes sense.
BaldersHymn 1 year ago
wonderfull !!!!! ;]]]]] i like hes idea ;]]]]
Edvinasb16 1 year ago
かっこいいです！
publicroots 1 year ago
those new cities should have no religion laws...
Valca000 1 year ago 2
@Valca000
Those cities actually are designed to not have the need for laws, because they deal with the problems at the source. There would be no "law" against stealing because the things people need are created in abundance for them.
BeyondDGrave 1 year ago
beautyfull idea. thank's to god or whatever for people like Fresco. work for pleasure - I know something about it. and ... there is no such a thing as utopia, there is only indoctriation... and peoples mind are infinite
brainmercy 1 year ago
@Peterwhitlock bible bash much?
pwiattitto 1 year ago
what can every each of us do in order to really get there ?
pepakake27 1 year ago
>>"if one.. didn't need.. incentive"
Remove all physical resource limits, and humans would still compete for mates. Quality & quantity.. *reproductive-power*
as soon as you have choice, you have winners & losers.. competition. Its the nature of reality. it is impossible to fix.
hehe If you could genetically engineer ASEXUAL humans (or ecto-genesis like in brave-new-world), then yes you could eliminate competition. as it happens, individuals DNA is unique.. scarce.
walter0bz 1 year ago
Reality is FINITE. any *scientist* will tell you.
Some resource is always the Limiting Factor for our activities (be it farmland, or oil).
If group 'A' controls the current limiting factor, group 'B' has an incentive to invent new technology. (eg Jacques example of nazis inventing synthetic rubber to get around allies embargo)
Power comes from violence, intellect, family-connections, herd-popularity, sex,
etc Money just quantifies..
eliminating money wont eliminate imbalances between people
walter0bz 1 year ago
i like it
HUGINATOR5000 1 year ago
So what's your point? 125 dollars for something HE PROVIDE FOR FREE. Information is provided for free on the website, you don't need to pay for it. When people pay for this they KNOW that they're DONATING. Jacques can make a lot of money right now if he sold his designs, but he DIDN'T.
Also I don't think your religious allegory of snakes in a garden will sway anyone towards your arguments, so spare us that poetic nonsense. And just because you got a lot of time to troll doesn't mean we do.
lugia3 1 year ago
Yes he has influence from Buck Minister Fuller, so I guess when people do anything relating to another person's creation, they have no education? Creativity is based upon learning from existing knowledge and building on it. So if we followed your logic everyone in the world and in history is a fake.
Also, I doubt your religious fanaticism will help convince educated people from believing in a SCIENTIFICALLY based world system.
lugia3 1 year ago
Great trailer...thanx...i will spread it far and wide!!!
100% VP supporter!!! :):):)
bagiee1 1 year ago
we'll never see that kind of society. we'll die from war, tsunamis', warming and racisms first. we cant even convert from gas powered vehicle to 100% electric. hybrid's 50/50 is bullshit. government needs money too :)
UrAbusSTInky 1 year ago
Good ideas--
layout1070 1 year ago
I disagree with his politics but he does have interesting ideas and an eye for aesthetics.
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wgazecki 2 years ago