Lol u gotta love it... It's like having a thief come to your house to steal ur food and is fully armed and if he feels threaten he will shoot to kill and call it self defense. That is what is happening over seas. There is no such thing as war rules that's all bull shit u can war anyway u like no war rules will make it any more right. It is just plain human nature sad evil and behind all the evil it is a beautiful art where people run in slow motion 15 minutes seem like 15 hours and the color
Contractors don't need anybody's permission except that of their own government.
Contrary to what you might believe, we have rules of engagement as well. We just don't publicize them as we don't want the opposition to know what they are and work their way around them.
As for killing sprees? It's called self-discipline :p
@AndyCinDallas fellow with all duo respect , you are not a soldier , you are not the police
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Legally , you have no right to travel 7000 miles with machine guns & bombs and killing locals
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I strongly believe once your corrupt government is gone , Contractors or armed gold diggers , will be arrested in the same way Nazi were even after 50 years from atrocity's have been committed
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Your actions violate every U.N rules & regulations & you know it
True, I used to be a soldier - but I retain the same skills and level of discipline that I had as a soldier.
Legally, I have as much right to be there as you do -and I don't shoot at anybody until they have shot at me (in other words - self-defense) - so kindly point out which rules and regulations of the United Nations I happen to violate.
Without using Google, have you ever heard of the Protocol 1 amendment to the Geneva Conventions and what its 102 articles refer to?
@AndyCinDallas Fellow , It seems you don't know nothing about self defence . Rule Number 1 . You don't clame self defence 7000 miles in enemy lines , sorry to say that but that is just stupid . Claiming self defence while illegally Invading other country's is equivalent to burglar Invading home and killing the home owner as self defence . That is ridicules , you have no right to clame self defence ,as you shouldn't be there in the first place . People Naturally Attack Invaders
I notice that you didn't answer my question - never mind :)
Second, I'm not going to argue the politics of the war as neither I nor you had any say in that; personally I disagreed with the reasons for the invasion. That said, I had a job to do - we never initiated a gunfight but if our party were attacked, we fought back as is the right of any human being. I call that self-defense - and in the legal sense, it absolutely is.
@AndyCinDallas illegal invasion & self defence are words which no human rights court will use together, they are completely different and this words don't relate to each other in any shape or form, by any U. N law you are considered a civilian which has no right to clame self defence, when invading others backyards.
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German solders are still. Being prosecuted and hunted today, they ill never Use Self defence as excuse to kill people in there own homelands
@niceboy60 - All civilians have the right to self-defense, but because of a political situation, you're denying someone the right to shoot back if fired-upon first? How very strange :)
@AndyCinDallas fellow with all duo respect,Civilians don't travel 7000 miles with machine guns & bombs to invade other countries for more than 10 years . Who cares about the U. N??? . What are you, Extremist? . If You don't care about the fundamental principles in a democratic country . Why the hell are going there? . Locals are the only ones which can use self defence against you . Clearly, you are not there to help, you are there to rob this people and still there resources
@niceboy60 - I brought back a lot of sand, if that's what you mean by stealing resources ;)
There was no democracy there before we arrived. I kinda like to think that we helped bring that about for the Iraqis :)
In purely practical terms, the only ones we shot were the ones who attacked us first. We'd have been perfectly happy to go from point A to point B with no confrontation - any fight was something that they initiated; we just responded in kind, and better.
BLOOD LUST MURDER IMPUNITY NO TRIAL NO JURY MURDER IMPUNITY BILLIONS IN TAX PAYER MONEY FRAUD WASTE ABUSE TORTURE MURDER FRAUD CORRUPTION WASTE ABUSE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS TO PAY FOR MASS MURDER IMPUNITY - PSYCHOPATHS ARE IN POWER, WE MUST TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK.
It's all fun and games till you're caught alone out there. Then it's all over the news about the poor contractor out there he shoulda been wearing armor. Blah blah blah, you're poor kids blah blah blah my poor baby died blah blah blah. Bunch of tuff guys out there doing America's dirty bidding. It's not even our military bit the civilian contractor. What a shame.
@Breakneckhydra1 As for you. Look at you. You think you know your shit, yet you're blindly insulting me when you don't even know the half of what you're so avidly defending. Mercs. Make. Bank. The majority of people in Xe [Blackwater] are like Erik Prince, money grubbing terrorists with an American contract. If you don't even know who he is or to the many acts of terror he has brought to the Middle East, alone, you need to get the fuck out. When you're contracted you ARE protecting a fat cat.
Once again you are basing your opinions off of blackwater although those are pretty accurate. Blackwater is basically the governments bitchs who do there dirty work when they want no strings attached. As for calling us ALL terrorists that crossing a line. I just recently got back from Libya after fighting with the rebels, and I fought back-to-back with US soldiers in both Iraq and Afganistan so to clarify. Not ALL of us are dirty money grubbing terrorist.
@aforgottenhero I thought no troops were there? When Momar wasn't playing ball any longer and when he was hosting conferences on what to do after the dollar crashes we took his ass out. The people of the U.S. live in a delusional media bubble, the global market is collapsing, war will be imminent and the world will suffer because sociopaths and psychopaths have implemented their profiteering policies to make themselves and their business partners rich.
@LetterToVoltaire No US troops were there, However the United States government 'encouraged' us to do business with the Libyan rebels. We mainly trained them and armed them but there were a couple of times when we did have to go out and show gadhafi what real soldiers look like in action. Another instant where the US government pays others to do their dirty work. At least we didnt try to bleed em dry lack blackwater did.
Oi jackass! Take it from a fellow PMC! Most Mercs are soldiers that your US government have left high and dry after discharging them and they have no where to go. And you probably got your perspective from companys such as Blackwater which is really mainly made up of men who are DDed. And if you dont know what 'DDed' means than you have no goddamn right to talk at all! and to Breakneckhydra1: We actually make good money out there. Just letting you know you are misinformed.
@aforgottenhero I wouldn't open my mouth if I didn't know that DDed stood for dishonorably discharged. And yes, you're right. I am developing my opinion on PMCs/PSCs on Xe (Blackwater). I was belligerent to think that they were the only ones out there. My bad. And I can understand needing a job... but Xe... Naw. When they start getting melded in with the 'good guys', it's intolerable to sit her idly by and let that shit go down. People need to know the difference.
this training exercise doesnt really make sense for a few reasons: 1) he's totally exposing himself through the open window of the HMMWV... 2) if they really wanted to lay lead down on a target, they'd let their turret gunner do it...
That was a suspended M249 with a box mag (aka- S.A.W. - SQUAD AUTOMATIC WEAPON). If this was "in action" then they weren't firing at anyone who was armed. I didn't see any 7.62mm rounds (AK ammo) zipping through the car. This was a training OP involving a parked/trashed car. Training to carry out "missions" for huge corporations. Bullshit.
Cry me a river... Nobody has any idea the fucking shit that these guys have to deal with on a daily basis in there.... Not knowing who the fuck the enemy is thats how innocent people get killed because they hide within the civilian population & these guys sometimes can't tell who's the enemy & who's not... so the next time you assholes want to accuse them of fucking murder you might want to think about that.... ASSHOLES...
contractor in action lol more like shitface lowlife cockroach whho would pimp his slut mother for green paper. Mercs are the lowest form of shit on earth COWARDS
@911timm "Private Military Contractor" is just the modern, fancier term for a mercenary. They are guns for hire. While I agree it takes some balls to go fight in any war, actual soldiers and military personnel have a lot more courage then these guys. When you're getting paid 4 figures a day, shit's not as bad as when you're getting paid minimum wage with a little bit of danger pay.
@fear432 a contractor is WAY DIFFERENT FROM A MERCENARY a contractor is on a defensive role hired to transport or to aid in any part of the world and only to engage on defensive purposes, where as a mercenary goes on an offensive role and is hired as a soldier to kill or work but they r both TOTALLY DIFFERENT fields
To all those who talk about Blackwater Operatives as scumbags or illegal contract killers - you can all go fuck yourselves... Mercenaries have been hired or fighting in all wars for years this is nothing new..... Many different countries have done it & so now the U.S.A. does it & suddenly it's illegal or unethical..... LMAO...
@ogrebattle22763 People call them scumbags because of the MANY crimes they've committed in Iraq. I don't think that every contractor is some baby-killing deranged murderer, but Blackwater has not done a good job of making a good name for itself.
@fear432 I didn't know that there was supposed to be a code of ethics involved in war... let me ask you this when these insurgents maim & kill in the name of Allah or whatever excuse they use to murder & kill people Blackwater Ops or our Military has an obligation to engage these people in war using some proper code of ethics?
@ogrebattle22763 Crimes: Blackwater Baghdad Shooting (17 innocent Iraqis killed for no reason seeing as no shots were ever fired on the Blackwater personnel) and I believe I read about an investigation concerning some Blackwater personnel using child prostitutes.
@fear432 Don't take an isolated incident & turn it into 20 different incidents & then leave the impression that it happens all the time because it doesn't & you know damn well that it doesn't...ok...
Ethics: Ever heard of the Geneva Convention? That's the code of ethics they should follow. Proper ROE that are assigned through the chain of command? They should follow that too. Blackwater can kill targets that are threats, but not civilians. Just because some Iraqis or Afghans are the enemy, that doesn't give anyone free reign to go and kill innocent, unarmed people just for the hell of it. As a first world nation, the US can afford to use civility in the face of barbarism.
@fear432 GENEVA CONVENTION?????? Don't make me laugh ok please.... Your kidding me right? What planet do you live on my friend.... Do you have any idea what the real reality of war is... innocents get killed whether or not it's right or wrong it happens... Any side in war laughs at the GENEVA CONVENTION... & here you are talking to me about that please... enough said... alls fair in love & war my friend & that is the sad but true reality...
@ogrebattle22763 Let me ask you this do you think these insurgents have a code of war ethics that they follow I think not yet here you are talking about Blackwater Ops doing illegal killings & playing shoot em up cowboy in the desert & just killing indiscriminately..... I'm sorry but if you're trying to say that they kill for the sake of killing that's a pretty bold accusation... & if it does happen I'm quite sure that those are isolated incidents so let's not take one issue & turn it into 20...
@ogrebattle22763 So because one side uses Guerilla tactics and fights dirty that gives us free reign to murder civilians with no good cause? Seems like sound logic, sir. I don't see how you can defend people who kill civilians, it makes no sense. Yes, if they posed a threat and were armed, by all means shoot them, but you can't kill non-combatants. Morally why would you even feel the need to kill a non-combatant? It's irrational and frankly terrifying that you think that's okay.
@fear432 That's interesting you use the term Guerillas to describe the insurgents but call Black Water Operatives contract killers... when bascially what they are doing is fighting these INSURGENTS in their guerilla warfare but yet you use the term contract killers or Death Squads to describe American Blackwater Ops.... very interesting...
@fear432 Again you can't call it for one side & one side only my friend it doesn't work that way... you can't act as if it's ok for these insurgents to kill innocent people with suicide bombers & dismiss as nothing then talk about BlackWater Operatives killing innocent people & acting as if they are the bad guys here I mean really are you serious? They are dealing with suicide bombers & murderers who are willing to kill their own people & BlackWater Ops are the bad guys??????? Really? Come on..
@ogrebattle22763 I never once said that Blackwater were the bad-guys... the Taliban are the enemy, as is Al Qaeda. That is clear and that I believe. They are terrorists to others and to their people. They do not believe that people deserve the same freedoms as one another because of their backwards system of beliefs. They are a threat, I agree. That said, I think the use of Blackwater to fight these wars is unnecessary and they have enough controversy surrounding them to cause serious doubt.
@fear432 Who said anything about free reign to murder or kill? Don't take my words then twist them.... I am simply telling you that you can't sugar coat war... you keep taking this isolated incident & harping on it & about these innocent people IRAQI civilians if you will getting killed... How do you know whether it was a random indiscriminate killing or an accident do you know all the facts... & if if so why do you act as if this is something new or that it's not supposed to happen? War is war.
@ogrebattle22763 You keep saying "war is war" but that's not a valid argument. Yeah, I get mistaking a civilian for an enemy and shooting him, that happens. I get accidentally hitting some bystanders during a firefight. I get dropping a bomb on the enemy and inadvertently killing some civies. That shit happens all the time. But when your convoy is stopped in traffic in a market and you just start shooting people without a shot being fired at you, that's no accident, and that's not "just war".
@fear432 Listen war is war... in the end there is no getting around it... innocent people will die it's that simple... World War I - World War II - Vietnam you want to talk about innocent people dying.... Come on... what is your point here...
@ogrebattle22763 I agree that innocent people do die in war time on either side. It happens and I accept that. But Blackwater is not being held accountable for the crimes they committed like they should be. Even if you kill someone innocent by accident, that's still a crime, it's called manslaughter. That doesn't really apply here, because the Baghdad Shooting was no accident, that was murder in the first-degree. These guys cannot operate lawlessly, like they've been doing. It's just wrong.
@fear432 Ok I do understand that there are reckless guys within the ranks that are not being held accountable but tell me how do you charge a guy with murder in a war zone...
@ogrebattle22763 Talking about actual Military guys, not Blackwater as they're never held accountable seeing as the Iraqi government can't prosecute them, they're commanding officers won't court marshall them, and the US government refuses to prosecute them: Soldiers get court marshalled all the time for menial things. Soldiers get sent to military prison pretty often too. There are ways of pursuing justice even in war time. The question should not be how, but rather will they?
@fear432 Listen it would be ignorant & stupid on my part to sit here & tell you that these guys don't operate out of control because I know they do but it doesn't take away from the fact that war is war... it's a difficult thing to handle & deal with properly when trying to hold a soldier or a mercenary accountable for a killing... it's not the same as street justice with cops apprehending somebody... if you understand what I'm trying to say...
@ogrebattle22763 It may be difficult to hold them accountable but you've basically just been defending their actions by saying "war is war". That doesn't mean anything. You can't defend Blackwater's crimes by saying "shit happens". When shit happens, someone takes the fall, and Blackwater hasn't been held accountable for any of the crimes they've committed because people like you defend them because you can't see that what they've done is wrong.
@fear432 War is war that's not defending them that's the reality of it... what you're doing is taking what I'm saying & twisting it... War is war that's right... this isn't street corner crimes where the justice system takes over & throws you in jail my friend that's not how it's done... & you keep using the phrase THEM stop generalizing by making it sound as if all of Blackwater are guilty of mass murder - this is what I mean about people who take an isolated incident & milk the shit out of it.
@fear432 You know man I don't get you... you cry about seeking justice & holding Blackwater Operatives who kill innocent civilians whether by accident or randomly accountable & harp on THEM committing war crimes yet not once have I heard you talk about the atrocities that these suicide bombers & cowards who plant IED'S to blow up our troops commit & how about holding them accountable no your response to that is WE need to treat them with civility & handle them in a caring kind manner...
@ogrebattle22763 You're right, I'm not talking about holding terrorists accountable for their actions because we do that every day when we find and kill them. You talk about me twisting your words yet you basically just accused me of defending terrorists. No, terrorists deserve death, but we can't just go into someone's country declaring war on terrorists and then kill innocent people in that country. We fight a war against the terrorists in these countries, not their people.
@fear432 Wrong didn't accuse you of defending terrorists my point is you keep harping on what we're doing in BlackWater Ops as a horrible thing & you keep generalizing as if all of them are killers & yet you don't amke an issue of what these psycho's do on daily basis over there killing & blowing up their own people why aren't you making an issue of that the way you are with this particular incident with Blackwater?
@ogrebattle22763 I didn't mean to generalize. I stated that I don't think that all Blackwater contractors are murderous criminals. I know that isn't true. But it is true that certain Blackwater contractors did commit this and several other crimes in Iraq, and only a few have been held accountable for them. I believe that these terrorists should be found and killed or brought to justice, but we can't invade someone's country saying that we'll do that and then murder civilians.
@fear432 There you go again with this killing innocent people thing.. you say you understand & realize that in war innocent people get killed & you accept that & yet you keep rambling on about this incident that happened & talking about going into someone's country & killing innocent people either you accept it or you don't but you can't have it both ways... which is it? Why the constant harping on Blackwater these insurgents & terrorists make Blackwater look like saints.......
@ogrebattle22763 "Shit happens" and "intentional murder of non-combatants" are two separate things. I understand that accidents happen in war and sometimes the wrong people get hurt. This wasn't an accident. This was murder in the first-degree. These contractors were not under enemy fire, they were never once shot upon, and yet they found reason to murder 17 civilians. Terrorists may make Blackwater look like saints, but that is an apple and orange comparison and has no weight in the argument
@fear432 I don't get you I really don't you act as if these things can't or shouldn't happen in war... War is an ugly thing my man the faster you understand that the better you'll understand & accept that things like this are in FACT UNAVOIDABLE no matter how you look at it no matter what you try to do to prevent it..
@ogrebattle22763 Well if letting murderers get away with murder than good for you... you're all for hunting down terrorists but you couldn't care less when US contractors or soldiers terrorize innocent people. Backwards logic, that's all it is. This argument seems to be going nowhere and I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to reason with you. Goodbye.
@fear432 I'm not all for anything pal never said anything about allowing murderers to get away with anything & I do care nobody wants to see innocent people die so if thats what you think I think then whatever you calling me backwards? You seem to want to live in a illusionary world my friend where WAR is supposed to have rules it's called war for a reason or maybe that term just seems to have some sort of different meaning to you but all the same it's a reality you want to sugar coat obviously
@fear432 Fact is you think crying about innocent people getting killed in war is going to change things - harping on 17 innocent iraqi's geting killed won't change a thing... You do alot of screaming for justice but yet unless people agree with your train of thought they are bacjwards fuck off I'm done here... Cry me a river...
@ogrebattle22763 Boohoo, you mad? I never said their should be rules in war (I only stated that the Geneva Convention exists) and I definitely accept that innocent people die in war. Collateral damage is bound to happen in war, and to be honest that doesn't bother me too much. The wrong people always get hurt, that's a fact of life. But, like I've fucking said, and like you've seemed to ignore, there's a difference between accidents and murder. THAT is what gets me.
@fear432 Like I fucking said cry me a river, & enough with your stupid shit already... The next time you want to accuse these guys of murder you might want to think about the fucking shit that they deal with on a daily basis over there, accidents are more inclined to happen & innocent civilians are more likely to be killed by accident because the enemy hides within the population making it that much harder for these guys to differentiate between who is the enemy & who isn't, but you don't care
@ogrebattle22763 "OH SHIT EVERYONE OVER HERE WEARS SIMILAR CLOTHING! OPEN FIRE!" And bite me with that "what they deal with" bullshit. Blackwater contractors pretty much only got VIP protection duties and were making $1000+ individually every day. I doubt these guys were too concerned when they realized they were making 6 figure salaries every year to essentially operate free of any kind of laws or restrictions in Iraq.
@fear432 Bleeding heart... my aching breaking heart... yes this one incident means they do it all the time don't you know that... WE WANT JUSTICE throw em in jail all of them LOLOLOLOL...
@ogrebattle22763 Never said they did, in fact I clearly stated numerous times that I did not and do not think that all these contractors are bad people or criminals. That doesn't change the fact that there've been a few investigations into the owner of Blackwater having fucking been involved in a murder case a little while back, and a few Blackwater contractors using child prostitutes, but whatever, they're really stressed out, we shouldn't bother them with justice or anything.
@fear432 We owe it to the enemy to be civil yes of course.... it's not that hard of a job what these guys do there - they put their lives in jeopardy but that's ok - owe now its all about the money.... I see... if it's not one angle here it's another... right so let's see because they are offered big money to do this type of job lets belittle them & make it look as if what they do isn't really that big a deal or not really that hard a job at all... lololololololol...
@ogrebattle22763 Never said we owe it to the enemy to be civil. Wanna twist my words a bit more? And I never said they don't have hard jobs over there. Any combat role is fucking tough you jackass. But it's a lot tougher when you're being payed minimum wage plus some measly danger pay compared to when you're pushing $1000 a day to do the same or similar job.
@fear432 You have more crying sob stories then a criminal going to jail yourself... If you're not crying about one fucking thing your completely crying about something else... trying to work on multiple angles at once.... SHIIIIIITTTT... YOU'RE SO FULL OF IT.... LOLOL...
@ogrebattle22763 Could you use the word "crying" a bit more? I don't think you've used it enough in all your arguments (I use the term lightly, "bullshit" is more accurate). And, I believe I brought up three incidents where Blackwater contractors have been involved or been suspected of being involved in illegal activities (two of which have been murder). You, on the other hand, seem to be recycling the defences of "war is war", "don't sugar coat this, man" and "they have tough jobs".
@fear432 Whatever scream bloody murder write a fucking book about it... write a letter to the president.... better yet why don't you write a book about the rules & regulations of war... lolololol... maybe they just might rewrite the whole Geneva Convention code of conduct in war just for you...
@ogrebattle22763 There already was a book written on it. It's called "Blackwater: The Rise of The World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army", although I doubt that'll do you much good as I don't think you get much external media outside of FOX news...
@fear432 Let's string em all up on murder charges.... why not... after all we have an obligation to be CIVIL to the enemy... The Geneva Convention says so... lolololololol... who cares how tough & hard it is for these guys... who cares it could happen to any one of us if we were there but who cares... string up all up.... we need to be sensible & civil we owe it to them...
@ogrebattle22763 So you don't think murderers should be tried? You think that if there's a good excuse, if they went through enough stress than they should be let go? That we should be lenient to them? But I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone killed your family and then wasn't put in jail because he had a lot of stress in his life, right? How "tough and hard it is for these guys" doesn't change the fact that some of them have murdered people, and should be tried for it.
@ogrebattle22763 And fuck you twisting my words. I never meant we should be civil to the enemy and I never said that. We should be trying to be civil and improve relations with the people of these countries we invade in the "war on terror". Invading someone's country, bombing the shit out of it's capital city and then on top of that letting private contractors get away with murder in this country isn't going to give us a good name and isn't going to make the job any easier.
@ogrebattle22763 Are you saying that because terrorists kill our soldiers and use IEDs and suicide bombers that we should be allowed to kill innocent civilians? That makes no sense. Blackwater contractors went into Iraq and killed unarmed non-combatants for no reason, and you're defending this by saying that terrorists kill our soldiers? These civilians never tried to harm the Blackwater guys and yet those contractors still murdered 17 of those civilians. How can you defend that?
@ogrebattle22763 How about the fact that Blackwater recruits and uses former members of many South American Death Squads and essentially give these criminals free reign in a country that cannot persecute them for their crimes for a government that refuses to persecute them. They are essentially lawless and can do as they please. How can you possibly defend that? I'm all for the military and I fully support them but I do not support these men who fight only for the pay and not for the ideal.
@fear432 South American death squads? Where the hell are you getting your info from buddy? I have no problem carrying on with a conversation with you even if we disagree but one thing I won't engage in is propaganda & lies....
@fear432 Killing for the hell of it? Murdering innocent people for the hell of it? So you're accusing BlackWater Ops of killing indiscriminately for the hell of it & that there is no way that this could have been a mistake on their part.... Again innocent people get killed in war it happens... it's unfortunately a cold reality of war but it happens... but to label some of these guys killers or murderers is messed up...
@ogrebattle22763 Go read "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army". I realize you're just going to immediately discredit it and say it's "propaganda" but you defending Blackwater the way you are is the same thing. I'm sure there are MANY (if not most) Blackwater contractors that are honest men. I'm sure that for the most part, they aren't taking advantage of what is essentially their free reign in Iraq and Afghanistan. That doesn't hide the fact that many of...
@fear432 Your missing my point & you keep misunderstanding the fact that war is an ugly thing.... there will always be innocent people CIVILIANS & others who are going to die whether accidently or otherwise it's a fact & a reality of war thats just the way it is you can point fingers & exaggerate the facts & talk about Blackwater Operatives or Military Special Ops but in the end you can't expect there to be some sort of special code of conduct in war it doesn't work that way...
@fear432 Do you want to start comparing what went on in Vietnam or World War II as far as atrocties go... I mean I don't understand what you think war is my man I really don't... You can't sugar coat it no matter how hard you try...
@ogrebattle22763 ... these people have committed crimes and have not been tried for them. The Blackwater Baghdad Shooting was But a random act of terrible violence that subsequently cost 17 Iraqi citizens their lives and injured many others. These people were not a threat, they did not pose a threat, and there was no reason to shoot at them but these contractors still did. These organizations should not be employed if they cannot be held accountable for their crimes.
@fear432 Oh really The United States Military can afford to be civil to suicide bombers & cold blooded murderers? Where is your mind & logic at my friend... we have learned what being civil has gotten us NOTHING.... absolutely nothing... civility is what gives scumbags like this hope to carry out their twisted crusade against us or don't you get that... Civility is what makes them think we're soft... 9/11 should have ended all that & showed everyone in the world that civility does not work...
I don't get if they actually just killed someone or not? Idk about u ppl but if I was that driver I wouldn't have a exposed with waiting to catch a round to the face, and old man passenger has 0 protection on. Idk fill me in....
Is it me or BW dudes look VERY unprofessional? I mean, I know you guys put your life on the line (always from a safe distance, oddly), but then you laughs like it's a fucking joke... I respect the U.S. military so bad, but you guys look like a bunch of kiddos with weapons playing call of duty.
@AlfonsoTheGod Not all mercenaries are ex-soldiers. Some can be in law enforcement or in Anti-Terrorist units like S.W.A.T or E.T.R.U or E.T.U. and join the PMC. Try again with your little facts.
@IdidRaysMother A mercenary is a PROFESIONAL soldier that uses his skills for personal wealth instead of serving his country. He can only be a professional soldier if he was trained to be a soldier by a nations military. Of course theres poser mercenaries but theyre absolute shit in combat, blackwater does not hire mercenaries unless theyve been trained by an army and have previous combat experience. Try again with your little facts.
yeah what the fuck was he shooting at? No-one else in the car seems that bothered about anything coming back at them? The car was doing about 10-15mph - surely if they were getting shot at they'd be hauling ass.
@Fassassino Nope, they aren't there to stand for anything in particular. Their orders are to act on the whims of the corrupt politicians who chose not to lead in battle themselves, but to order others to bear the misery while they furiously borrow and enforce the corporate agenda.
what ppl dont know mercs can do shit that U.S. soldiers want to do but cant do.. THEIR R RULES to war. and the mercs dont have to follow them all tho u hate them u gatta respect them they to have family and kids that wait for them at home..
@benpg ive read its becoming more common since when shit goes down your yelling cammands anyway. hearing some through ear plugs is not hard and on top of that they have plugs now that block loud noises like bombs and guns but allow audable sounds to pass through.
@fatdan172501 I think you are taking about Surefires earplugs right? The ones with a little hole in the middle that is plugged for highest protection and opened for hearing? DONT BUY THEM, THEY SUCK.
@poorandimmature I am well aware that they did. They sent over CIA operatives with the newly developed stinger missile system so that they could topple the Russian air superiority and retake their country. I was referring to the wmds that they had under their control. I am not ignorant of history. I am well versed in history and know what I am talking about. I do completely agree with your username because only someone who is immature is would resort to calling someone a "fag".
What pieces of shit. I'm surprised these blackwater guys are able to swallow their morals and kill women and children for such a cheap price!
If I decided I wanted to spend eternity in hell I would have asked for at least an annual hundred million dollar salary. Wait, no I wouldn't. I would never kill innocent people because I am not a subhuman piece of shit.
Most likely a training video exercising firing from a moving vehicle. I did a few of these drills in Israel firing out of the passenger and rear passenger windows on several different targets. He does seem to waste a lot of ammo though, his bursts should be a lot shorter.
FAKE!!! NO OPPOSING GUNFIRE, NO VEHICLE PROJECTILE IMPACT SOUNDS AND FOREMOST NO TACTICAL RELOAD! FAKE!! NO REAL ENGAGEMENT!! JUST SOME GUNG HO REDNECK IDIOT WANNABES SHOWING OFF!!B PATHETIC!!
I love the guy on the rleft just chilling like it's nothing
CHUCKKAH 1 day ago
His 249 didn't malfunction? That's weird.
SWCrules 3 days ago 2
@SWCrules it doesn't if you maintain it right
tpiasecki 2 days ago
i want your job! =)
nynoname1 3 days ago
Looks fun
Rangerfull3 4 days ago
i need one of those for my truck
skaterjrd99 5 days ago
Any marines out there laugh when he said "Die Motherfucker die"? Reminded me of back at combat training
flowerscankill 1 week ago
@flowerscankill run fuzzy bunny, run!
praharin 1 day ago
Lol u gotta love it... It's like having a thief come to your house to steal ur food and is fully armed and if he feels threaten he will shoot to kill and call it self defense. That is what is happening over seas. There is no such thing as war rules that's all bull shit u can war anyway u like no war rules will make it any more right. It is just plain human nature sad evil and behind all the evil it is a beautiful art where people run in slow motion 15 minutes seem like 15 hours and the color
jesusknowsbetter 1 week ago
THEY FIND THESE GUYS IN THE SOUTH. REDNECKS FOR HIRE.
zizzy007 1 week ago
what a stupid dumb video
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Who gave Contractors permissions to travel 7000 miles and start killing people ?
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I mean , Soldiers have the 10 years out of date excuse by saying they are trying to stabilize a Country which they illegal Invaded
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Soldiers also have the rules of engagement as guidelines although some never heard of it
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What stops contractors going in Killing spree , which guidelines are in place to prevent massacre's from happening 7000 miles away?
niceboy60 1 week ago
@niceboy60
Contractors don't need anybody's permission except that of their own government.
Contrary to what you might believe, we have rules of engagement as well. We just don't publicize them as we don't want the opposition to know what they are and work their way around them.
As for killing sprees? It's called self-discipline :p
AndyCinDallas 1 week ago
@AndyCinDallas fellow with all duo respect , you are not a soldier , you are not the police
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Legally , you have no right to travel 7000 miles with machine guns & bombs and killing locals
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I strongly believe once your corrupt government is gone , Contractors or armed gold diggers , will be arrested in the same way Nazi were even after 50 years from atrocity's have been committed
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Your actions violate every U.N rules & regulations & you know it
niceboy60 1 week ago
@niceboy60
True, I used to be a soldier - but I retain the same skills and level of discipline that I had as a soldier.
Legally, I have as much right to be there as you do -and I don't shoot at anybody until they have shot at me (in other words - self-defense) - so kindly point out which rules and regulations of the United Nations I happen to violate.
Without using Google, have you ever heard of the Protocol 1 amendment to the Geneva Conventions and what its 102 articles refer to?
AndyCinDallas 1 week ago
niceboy60 1 week ago
@niceboy60
I notice that you didn't answer my question - never mind :)
Second, I'm not going to argue the politics of the war as neither I nor you had any say in that; personally I disagreed with the reasons for the invasion. That said, I had a job to do - we never initiated a gunfight but if our party were attacked, we fought back as is the right of any human being. I call that self-defense - and in the legal sense, it absolutely is.
AndyCinDallas 1 week ago
@AndyCinDallas illegal invasion & self defence are words which no human rights court will use together, they are completely different and this words don't relate to each other in any shape or form, by any U. N law you are considered a civilian which has no right to clame self defence, when invading others backyards.
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German solders are still. Being prosecuted and hunted today, they ill never Use Self defence as excuse to kill people in there own homelands
niceboy60 1 week ago
@niceboy60 - All civilians have the right to self-defense, but because of a political situation, you're denying someone the right to shoot back if fired-upon first? How very strange :)
AndyCinDallas 1 week ago
@niceboy60 - As for the UN - who cares what they think? :)
AndyCinDallas 1 week ago
niceboy60 1 week ago
@niceboy60 - I brought back a lot of sand, if that's what you mean by stealing resources ;)
There was no democracy there before we arrived. I kinda like to think that we helped bring that about for the Iraqis :)
In purely practical terms, the only ones we shot were the ones who attacked us first. We'd have been perfectly happy to go from point A to point B with no confrontation - any fight was something that they initiated; we just responded in kind, and better.
AndyCinDallas 1 week ago 2
whoa! super cool range bro....gay...
11Bulletstopper 1 week ago
BLOOD LUST MURDER IMPUNITY NO TRIAL NO JURY MURDER IMPUNITY BILLIONS IN TAX PAYER MONEY FRAUD WASTE ABUSE TORTURE MURDER FRAUD CORRUPTION WASTE ABUSE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS TO PAY FOR MASS MURDER IMPUNITY - PSYCHOPATHS ARE IN POWER, WE MUST TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK.
LetterToVoltaire 2 weeks ago
It's all fun and games till you're caught alone out there. Then it's all over the news about the poor contractor out there he shoulda been wearing armor. Blah blah blah, you're poor kids blah blah blah my poor baby died blah blah blah. Bunch of tuff guys out there doing America's dirty bidding. It's not even our military bit the civilian contractor. What a shame.
noeltorres1027 2 weeks ago
@noeltorres1027 I hear you, it's fucking disgusting.
LetterToVoltaire 2 weeks ago
Lead primers sraight to the dome. Might as well snort a line of lead paint chips
Derail07 2 weeks ago
@Derail07 What? ok for 1 the primer isn't made of lead and 2 that comparison makes no sense...
jpmac098 2 weeks ago
@jpmac098 it contains lead you moron
MrAustineddy 2 weeks ago
@MrAustineddy You realize lead needs to get into your body to do any damage, not just touch you, right?
jpmac098 2 weeks ago
@jpmac098 yes of course i know that i was just correcting you
MrAustineddy 2 weeks ago
corrupt ass, money grubbing bastards.
IAmIronManExtremis 2 weeks ago
@IAmIronManExtremis
Yea...because you really make THAT MUCH money risking your life in some shit-hole country halfway across the world to protect some rich fat-cat....
FUCK YOU.
These men do it for the experience and the thrill of physical combat, not for the money.
Breakneckhydra1 2 weeks ago
@Breakneckhydra1 As for you. Look at you. You think you know your shit, yet you're blindly insulting me when you don't even know the half of what you're so avidly defending. Mercs. Make. Bank. The majority of people in Xe [Blackwater] are like Erik Prince, money grubbing terrorists with an American contract. If you don't even know who he is or to the many acts of terror he has brought to the Middle East, alone, you need to get the fuck out. When you're contracted you ARE protecting a fat cat.
IAmIronManExtremis 2 weeks ago
@IAmIronManExtremis
Once again you are basing your opinions off of blackwater although those are pretty accurate. Blackwater is basically the governments bitchs who do there dirty work when they want no strings attached. As for calling us ALL terrorists that crossing a line. I just recently got back from Libya after fighting with the rebels, and I fought back-to-back with US soldiers in both Iraq and Afganistan so to clarify. Not ALL of us are dirty money grubbing terrorist.
aforgottenhero 2 weeks ago
@aforgottenhero I thought no troops were there? When Momar wasn't playing ball any longer and when he was hosting conferences on what to do after the dollar crashes we took his ass out. The people of the U.S. live in a delusional media bubble, the global market is collapsing, war will be imminent and the world will suffer because sociopaths and psychopaths have implemented their profiteering policies to make themselves and their business partners rich.
LetterToVoltaire 2 weeks ago
@LetterToVoltaire No US troops were there, However the United States government 'encouraged' us to do business with the Libyan rebels. We mainly trained them and armed them but there were a couple of times when we did have to go out and show gadhafi what real soldiers look like in action. Another instant where the US government pays others to do their dirty work. At least we didnt try to bleed em dry lack blackwater did.
aforgottenhero 1 week ago
@IAmIronManExtremis
Oi jackass! Take it from a fellow PMC! Most Mercs are soldiers that your US government have left high and dry after discharging them and they have no where to go. And you probably got your perspective from companys such as Blackwater which is really mainly made up of men who are DDed. And if you dont know what 'DDed' means than you have no goddamn right to talk at all! and to Breakneckhydra1: We actually make good money out there. Just letting you know you are misinformed.
aforgottenhero 2 weeks ago
@aforgottenhero I wouldn't open my mouth if I didn't know that DDed stood for dishonorably discharged. And yes, you're right. I am developing my opinion on PMCs/PSCs on Xe (Blackwater). I was belligerent to think that they were the only ones out there. My bad. And I can understand needing a job... but Xe... Naw. When they start getting melded in with the 'good guys', it's intolerable to sit her idly by and let that shit go down. People need to know the difference.
IAmIronManExtremis 2 weeks ago
i love how he counts the burst in his head "die mother fucker die" because i was doing the same before the guy said it outloud
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MegaPp2012 3 weeks ago
....and what a ridiculously slow start to a drum change. They were probably off the range and past McDonalds by the time he got the SAW hot again.
batranger175 3 weeks ago
Correction to my last post....If he was my SAW gunner he's fired for leaving the bolt forward for the drum change.
batranger175 3 weeks ago
If he was my SAW gunner I am firimgired for leaving the bolt forward
batranger175 3 weeks ago
Thanks for sharing just learned a couple of things.
nellynell77 3 weeks ago
throw a fucking cooked grenade in that tank and see what they do next
canucksallday 3 weeks ago
@canucksallday Real world isn't like COD lol. You pull the pin and you throw it...
SCtbf4 3 weeks ago
this training exercise doesnt really make sense for a few reasons: 1) he's totally exposing himself through the open window of the HMMWV... 2) if they really wanted to lay lead down on a target, they'd let their turret gunner do it...
ArmyMedic90 3 weeks ago
That was a suspended M249 with a box mag (aka- S.A.W. - SQUAD AUTOMATIC WEAPON). If this was "in action" then they weren't firing at anyone who was armed. I didn't see any 7.62mm rounds (AK ammo) zipping through the car. This was a training OP involving a parked/trashed car. Training to carry out "missions" for huge corporations. Bullshit.
greendevil44 3 weeks ago
this wasn't in the middle east. This is Detroit on a beer run!
mjr102395 3 weeks ago 99
these punks are at a range, this video is bullshit
deadromeo211 4 weeks ago
...i'll spray the AR, make your whole clique breakdance
DickVanNutts 4 weeks ago 2
@DickVanNutts that wasn't an AR
jdymes101 4 weeks ago
DRIVE-BY ??
893089012 1 month ago 26
They must have spotted women and children. lol
voodazz 1 month ago
Cry me a river... Nobody has any idea the fucking shit that these guys have to deal with on a daily basis in there.... Not knowing who the fuck the enemy is thats how innocent people get killed because they hide within the civilian population & these guys sometimes can't tell who's the enemy & who's not... so the next time you assholes want to accuse them of fucking murder you might want to think about that.... ASSHOLES...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
God's Speed brother, shoot straight and move with a sense of urgency! Outstanding video.
BlackWidowArms 1 month ago
Not for nothing but that guy giving them lead looks like Russell Crowe... lolololololol...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
i hate contractors.... to over paid and the video was probaly a training excersise. no indirect fire, head gear.......lame....so is black water
MMANARCHY 1 month ago
contractor in action lol more like shitface lowlife cockroach whho would pimp his slut mother for green paper. Mercs are the lowest form of shit on earth COWARDS
sexymalcom1970 1 month ago
@sexymalcom1970 rly they r cowards cuz they go in the middle of a WAR and they r not MERCENARIES contractors are VERY DIFFERENT FROM THEM SMARTASS
911timm 1 month ago
@911timm "Private Military Contractor" is just the modern, fancier term for a mercenary. They are guns for hire. While I agree it takes some balls to go fight in any war, actual soldiers and military personnel have a lot more courage then these guys. When you're getting paid 4 figures a day, shit's not as bad as when you're getting paid minimum wage with a little bit of danger pay.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 a contractor is WAY DIFFERENT FROM A MERCENARY a contractor is on a defensive role hired to transport or to aid in any part of the world and only to engage on defensive purposes, where as a mercenary goes on an offensive role and is hired as a soldier to kill or work but they r both TOTALLY DIFFERENT fields
911timm 1 month ago
@911timm A contractor can easily be out on an offensive role... they're paid to do whatever it is their employers want them to do, simple as that.
fear432 1 month ago
To all those who talk about Blackwater Operatives as scumbags or illegal contract killers - you can all go fuck yourselves... Mercenaries have been hired or fighting in all wars for years this is nothing new..... Many different countries have done it & so now the U.S.A. does it & suddenly it's illegal or unethical..... LMAO...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago 2
@ogrebattle22763 People call them scumbags because of the MANY crimes they've committed in Iraq. I don't think that every contractor is some baby-killing deranged murderer, but Blackwater has not done a good job of making a good name for itself.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Oh really CRIMES? What CRIMES have they committed?
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 I didn't know that there was supposed to be a code of ethics involved in war... let me ask you this when these insurgents maim & kill in the name of Allah or whatever excuse they use to murder & kill people Blackwater Ops or our Military has an obligation to engage these people in war using some proper code of ethics?
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Crimes: Blackwater Baghdad Shooting (17 innocent Iraqis killed for no reason seeing as no shots were ever fired on the Blackwater personnel) and I believe I read about an investigation concerning some Blackwater personnel using child prostitutes.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Don't take an isolated incident & turn it into 20 different incidents & then leave the impression that it happens all the time because it doesn't & you know damn well that it doesn't...ok...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763
Ethics: Ever heard of the Geneva Convention? That's the code of ethics they should follow. Proper ROE that are assigned through the chain of command? They should follow that too. Blackwater can kill targets that are threats, but not civilians. Just because some Iraqis or Afghans are the enemy, that doesn't give anyone free reign to go and kill innocent, unarmed people just for the hell of it. As a first world nation, the US can afford to use civility in the face of barbarism.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 GENEVA CONVENTION?????? Don't make me laugh ok please.... Your kidding me right? What planet do you live on my friend.... Do you have any idea what the real reality of war is... innocents get killed whether or not it's right or wrong it happens... Any side in war laughs at the GENEVA CONVENTION... & here you are talking to me about that please... enough said... alls fair in love & war my friend & that is the sad but true reality...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Let me ask you this do you think these insurgents have a code of war ethics that they follow I think not yet here you are talking about Blackwater Ops doing illegal killings & playing shoot em up cowboy in the desert & just killing indiscriminately..... I'm sorry but if you're trying to say that they kill for the sake of killing that's a pretty bold accusation... & if it does happen I'm quite sure that those are isolated incidents so let's not take one issue & turn it into 20...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 So because one side uses Guerilla tactics and fights dirty that gives us free reign to murder civilians with no good cause? Seems like sound logic, sir. I don't see how you can defend people who kill civilians, it makes no sense. Yes, if they posed a threat and were armed, by all means shoot them, but you can't kill non-combatants. Morally why would you even feel the need to kill a non-combatant? It's irrational and frankly terrifying that you think that's okay.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 That's interesting you use the term Guerillas to describe the insurgents but call Black Water Operatives contract killers... when bascially what they are doing is fighting these INSURGENTS in their guerilla warfare but yet you use the term contract killers or Death Squads to describe American Blackwater Ops.... very interesting...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 Again you can't call it for one side & one side only my friend it doesn't work that way... you can't act as if it's ok for these insurgents to kill innocent people with suicide bombers & dismiss as nothing then talk about BlackWater Operatives killing innocent people & acting as if they are the bad guys here I mean really are you serious? They are dealing with suicide bombers & murderers who are willing to kill their own people & BlackWater Ops are the bad guys??????? Really? Come on..
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 I never once said that Blackwater were the bad-guys... the Taliban are the enemy, as is Al Qaeda. That is clear and that I believe. They are terrorists to others and to their people. They do not believe that people deserve the same freedoms as one another because of their backwards system of beliefs. They are a threat, I agree. That said, I think the use of Blackwater to fight these wars is unnecessary and they have enough controversy surrounding them to cause serious doubt.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Who said anything about free reign to murder or kill? Don't take my words then twist them.... I am simply telling you that you can't sugar coat war... you keep taking this isolated incident & harping on it & about these innocent people IRAQI civilians if you will getting killed... How do you know whether it was a random indiscriminate killing or an accident do you know all the facts... & if if so why do you act as if this is something new or that it's not supposed to happen? War is war.
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 You keep saying "war is war" but that's not a valid argument. Yeah, I get mistaking a civilian for an enemy and shooting him, that happens. I get accidentally hitting some bystanders during a firefight. I get dropping a bomb on the enemy and inadvertently killing some civies. That shit happens all the time. But when your convoy is stopped in traffic in a market and you just start shooting people without a shot being fired at you, that's no accident, and that's not "just war".
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Listen war is war... in the end there is no getting around it... innocent people will die it's that simple... World War I - World War II - Vietnam you want to talk about innocent people dying.... Come on... what is your point here...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 I agree that innocent people do die in war time on either side. It happens and I accept that. But Blackwater is not being held accountable for the crimes they committed like they should be. Even if you kill someone innocent by accident, that's still a crime, it's called manslaughter. That doesn't really apply here, because the Baghdad Shooting was no accident, that was murder in the first-degree. These guys cannot operate lawlessly, like they've been doing. It's just wrong.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Ok I do understand that there are reckless guys within the ranks that are not being held accountable but tell me how do you charge a guy with murder in a war zone...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Talking about actual Military guys, not Blackwater as they're never held accountable seeing as the Iraqi government can't prosecute them, they're commanding officers won't court marshall them, and the US government refuses to prosecute them: Soldiers get court marshalled all the time for menial things. Soldiers get sent to military prison pretty often too. There are ways of pursuing justice even in war time. The question should not be how, but rather will they?
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Listen it would be ignorant & stupid on my part to sit here & tell you that these guys don't operate out of control because I know they do but it doesn't take away from the fact that war is war... it's a difficult thing to handle & deal with properly when trying to hold a soldier or a mercenary accountable for a killing... it's not the same as street justice with cops apprehending somebody... if you understand what I'm trying to say...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 It may be difficult to hold them accountable but you've basically just been defending their actions by saying "war is war". That doesn't mean anything. You can't defend Blackwater's crimes by saying "shit happens". When shit happens, someone takes the fall, and Blackwater hasn't been held accountable for any of the crimes they've committed because people like you defend them because you can't see that what they've done is wrong.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 War is war that's not defending them that's the reality of it... what you're doing is taking what I'm saying & twisting it... War is war that's right... this isn't street corner crimes where the justice system takes over & throws you in jail my friend that's not how it's done... & you keep using the phrase THEM stop generalizing by making it sound as if all of Blackwater are guilty of mass murder - this is what I mean about people who take an isolated incident & milk the shit out of it.
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 You know man I don't get you... you cry about seeking justice & holding Blackwater Operatives who kill innocent civilians whether by accident or randomly accountable & harp on THEM committing war crimes yet not once have I heard you talk about the atrocities that these suicide bombers & cowards who plant IED'S to blow up our troops commit & how about holding them accountable no your response to that is WE need to treat them with civility & handle them in a caring kind manner...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 You're right, I'm not talking about holding terrorists accountable for their actions because we do that every day when we find and kill them. You talk about me twisting your words yet you basically just accused me of defending terrorists. No, terrorists deserve death, but we can't just go into someone's country declaring war on terrorists and then kill innocent people in that country. We fight a war against the terrorists in these countries, not their people.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Wrong didn't accuse you of defending terrorists my point is you keep harping on what we're doing in BlackWater Ops as a horrible thing & you keep generalizing as if all of them are killers & yet you don't amke an issue of what these psycho's do on daily basis over there killing & blowing up their own people why aren't you making an issue of that the way you are with this particular incident with Blackwater?
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 I didn't mean to generalize. I stated that I don't think that all Blackwater contractors are murderous criminals. I know that isn't true. But it is true that certain Blackwater contractors did commit this and several other crimes in Iraq, and only a few have been held accountable for them. I believe that these terrorists should be found and killed or brought to justice, but we can't invade someone's country saying that we'll do that and then murder civilians.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 There you go again with this killing innocent people thing.. you say you understand & realize that in war innocent people get killed & you accept that & yet you keep rambling on about this incident that happened & talking about going into someone's country & killing innocent people either you accept it or you don't but you can't have it both ways... which is it? Why the constant harping on Blackwater these insurgents & terrorists make Blackwater look like saints.......
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 "Shit happens" and "intentional murder of non-combatants" are two separate things. I understand that accidents happen in war and sometimes the wrong people get hurt. This wasn't an accident. This was murder in the first-degree. These contractors were not under enemy fire, they were never once shot upon, and yet they found reason to murder 17 civilians. Terrorists may make Blackwater look like saints, but that is an apple and orange comparison and has no weight in the argument
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 I don't get you I really don't you act as if these things can't or shouldn't happen in war... War is an ugly thing my man the faster you understand that the better you'll understand & accept that things like this are in FACT UNAVOIDABLE no matter how you look at it no matter what you try to do to prevent it..
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 And that justifies what Blackwater contractors have done?
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 ITS WAR......AND LIFE....get over it innocents die....non-innocents die. u cant escape this happening and u cant stop this happening birrch
Fassassino 1 month ago
@Fassassino Cool story bro. Perhaps read the whole argument before you make an uneducated, grammatically incorrect and plain stupid post.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Listen if throwing guys in jail will make you happy then good for you...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Well if letting murderers get away with murder than good for you... you're all for hunting down terrorists but you couldn't care less when US contractors or soldiers terrorize innocent people. Backwards logic, that's all it is. This argument seems to be going nowhere and I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to reason with you. Goodbye.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 I'm not all for anything pal never said anything about allowing murderers to get away with anything & I do care nobody wants to see innocent people die so if thats what you think I think then whatever you calling me backwards? You seem to want to live in a illusionary world my friend where WAR is supposed to have rules it's called war for a reason or maybe that term just seems to have some sort of different meaning to you but all the same it's a reality you want to sugar coat obviously
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 Fact is you think crying about innocent people getting killed in war is going to change things - harping on 17 innocent iraqi's geting killed won't change a thing... You do alot of screaming for justice but yet unless people agree with your train of thought they are bacjwards fuck off I'm done here... Cry me a river...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Boohoo, you mad? I never said their should be rules in war (I only stated that the Geneva Convention exists) and I definitely accept that innocent people die in war. Collateral damage is bound to happen in war, and to be honest that doesn't bother me too much. The wrong people always get hurt, that's a fact of life. But, like I've fucking said, and like you've seemed to ignore, there's a difference between accidents and murder. THAT is what gets me.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Who cares, if they aint american then their are americans inside them wishing to get out. And a simple bullet to their brain does the job.
CaptKennedyUSMC 1 month ago
@CaptKennedyUSMC What are you talking about?
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Like I fucking said cry me a river, & enough with your stupid shit already... The next time you want to accuse these guys of murder you might want to think about the fucking shit that they deal with on a daily basis over there, accidents are more inclined to happen & innocent civilians are more likely to be killed by accident because the enemy hides within the population making it that much harder for these guys to differentiate between who is the enemy & who isn't, but you don't care
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 "OH SHIT EVERYONE OVER HERE WEARS SIMILAR CLOTHING! OPEN FIRE!" And bite me with that "what they deal with" bullshit. Blackwater contractors pretty much only got VIP protection duties and were making $1000+ individually every day. I doubt these guys were too concerned when they realized they were making 6 figure salaries every year to essentially operate free of any kind of laws or restrictions in Iraq.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Bleeding heart... my aching breaking heart... yes this one incident means they do it all the time don't you know that... WE WANT JUSTICE throw em in jail all of them LOLOLOLOL...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Never said they did, in fact I clearly stated numerous times that I did not and do not think that all these contractors are bad people or criminals. That doesn't change the fact that there've been a few investigations into the owner of Blackwater having fucking been involved in a murder case a little while back, and a few Blackwater contractors using child prostitutes, but whatever, they're really stressed out, we shouldn't bother them with justice or anything.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 We owe it to the enemy to be civil yes of course.... it's not that hard of a job what these guys do there - they put their lives in jeopardy but that's ok - owe now its all about the money.... I see... if it's not one angle here it's another... right so let's see because they are offered big money to do this type of job lets belittle them & make it look as if what they do isn't really that big a deal or not really that hard a job at all... lololololololol...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Never said we owe it to the enemy to be civil. Wanna twist my words a bit more? And I never said they don't have hard jobs over there. Any combat role is fucking tough you jackass. But it's a lot tougher when you're being payed minimum wage plus some measly danger pay compared to when you're pushing $1000 a day to do the same or similar job.
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ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
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@fear432 You have more crying sob stories then a criminal going to jail yourself... If you're not crying about one fucking thing your completely crying about something else... trying to work on multiple angles at once.... SHIIIIIITTTT... YOU'RE SO FULL OF IT.... LOLOL...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 Are you a dairy farmer? Because you're milking this one incident on all four TITS & those fucking cow tits are all all dried up pal...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 Anyway enough of the crying already...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Could you use the word "crying" a bit more? I don't think you've used it enough in all your arguments (I use the term lightly, "bullshit" is more accurate). And, I believe I brought up three incidents where Blackwater contractors have been involved or been suspected of being involved in illegal activities (two of which have been murder). You, on the other hand, seem to be recycling the defences of "war is war", "don't sugar coat this, man" and "they have tough jobs".
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Whatever scream bloody murder write a fucking book about it... write a letter to the president.... better yet why don't you write a book about the rules & regulations of war... lolololol... maybe they just might rewrite the whole Geneva Convention code of conduct in war just for you...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 There already was a book written on it. It's called "Blackwater: The Rise of The World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army", although I doubt that'll do you much good as I don't think you get much external media outside of FOX news...
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 WHO CARES!!!!!!!! your not helping sitting behind a keyboard typing away if u dont like it fix...
Fassassino 1 month ago
@Fassassino I can tell English isn't your strongest suit so I'm just going to go ahead and ignore you.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Let's string em all up on murder charges.... why not... after all we have an obligation to be CIVIL to the enemy... The Geneva Convention says so... lolololololol... who cares how tough & hard it is for these guys... who cares it could happen to any one of us if we were there but who cares... string up all up.... we need to be sensible & civil we owe it to them...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 So you don't think murderers should be tried? You think that if there's a good excuse, if they went through enough stress than they should be let go? That we should be lenient to them? But I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone killed your family and then wasn't put in jail because he had a lot of stress in his life, right? How "tough and hard it is for these guys" doesn't change the fact that some of them have murdered people, and should be tried for it.
fear432 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 And fuck you twisting my words. I never meant we should be civil to the enemy and I never said that. We should be trying to be civil and improve relations with the people of these countries we invade in the "war on terror". Invading someone's country, bombing the shit out of it's capital city and then on top of that letting private contractors get away with murder in this country isn't going to give us a good name and isn't going to make the job any easier.
fear432 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Are you saying that because terrorists kill our soldiers and use IEDs and suicide bombers that we should be allowed to kill innocent civilians? That makes no sense. Blackwater contractors went into Iraq and killed unarmed non-combatants for no reason, and you're defending this by saying that terrorists kill our soldiers? These civilians never tried to harm the Blackwater guys and yet those contractors still murdered 17 of those civilians. How can you defend that?
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 You can't sugar coat this man... you can't sugar coat war.... I don't know what you expect war to be like over there....
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 How about the fact that Blackwater recruits and uses former members of many South American Death Squads and essentially give these criminals free reign in a country that cannot persecute them for their crimes for a government that refuses to persecute them. They are essentially lawless and can do as they please. How can you possibly defend that? I'm all for the military and I fully support them but I do not support these men who fight only for the pay and not for the ideal.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Thats a fucking out right lie your trying to spread lies.... & propaganda.. you are a liar...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 South American death squads? Where the hell are you getting your info from buddy? I have no problem carrying on with a conversation with you even if we disagree but one thing I won't engage in is propaganda & lies....
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 The problem is you believe everything that you read... or are told about Blackwater Operatives,,,
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 Killing for the hell of it? Murdering innocent people for the hell of it? So you're accusing BlackWater Ops of killing indiscriminately for the hell of it & that there is no way that this could have been a mistake on their part.... Again innocent people get killed in war it happens... it's unfortunately a cold reality of war but it happens... but to label some of these guys killers or murderers is messed up...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 Go read "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army". I realize you're just going to immediately discredit it and say it's "propaganda" but you defending Blackwater the way you are is the same thing. I'm sure there are MANY (if not most) Blackwater contractors that are honest men. I'm sure that for the most part, they aren't taking advantage of what is essentially their free reign in Iraq and Afghanistan. That doesn't hide the fact that many of...
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Your missing my point & you keep misunderstanding the fact that war is an ugly thing.... there will always be innocent people CIVILIANS & others who are going to die whether accidently or otherwise it's a fact & a reality of war thats just the way it is you can point fingers & exaggerate the facts & talk about Blackwater Operatives or Military Special Ops but in the end you can't expect there to be some sort of special code of conduct in war it doesn't work that way...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@fear432 Do you want to start comparing what went on in Vietnam or World War II as far as atrocties go... I mean I don't understand what you think war is my man I really don't... You can't sugar coat it no matter how hard you try...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 ... these people have committed crimes and have not been tried for them. The Blackwater Baghdad Shooting was But a random act of terrible violence that subsequently cost 17 Iraqi citizens their lives and injured many others. These people were not a threat, they did not pose a threat, and there was no reason to shoot at them but these contractors still did. These organizations should not be employed if they cannot be held accountable for their crimes.
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 Oh really The United States Military can afford to be civil to suicide bombers & cold blooded murderers? Where is your mind & logic at my friend... we have learned what being civil has gotten us NOTHING.... absolutely nothing... civility is what gives scumbags like this hope to carry out their twisted crusade against us or don't you get that... Civility is what makes them think we're soft... 9/11 should have ended all that & showed everyone in the world that civility does not work...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
Fucking Stoner machine gun I'd know that drum anywhere.... That guy giving em lead looks like Russell Crowe... lmao... Get some...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
@ogrebattle22763 The FN MINIMI has the same type of drum.
IdidRaysMother 1 month ago
@IdidRaysMother Does it.... The first thing that came to mind was The Stoner...
ogrebattle22763 1 month ago
I don't get if they actually just killed someone or not? Idk about u ppl but if I was that driver I wouldn't have a exposed with waiting to catch a round to the face, and old man passenger has 0 protection on. Idk fill me in....
Haze5moke 1 month ago
Is it me or BW dudes look VERY unprofessional? I mean, I know you guys put your life on the line (always from a safe distance, oddly), but then you laughs like it's a fucking joke... I respect the U.S. military so bad, but you guys look like a bunch of kiddos with weapons playing call of duty.
VaguelyErected 1 month ago
@VaguelyErected Uh they're mercenaries, and they think they're badass and have "i don't give a shit" attitude.
RichKilla86ers 1 month ago
@VaguelyErected Theyre all ex soldiers,so lol.
AlfonsoTheGod 1 month ago
@AlfonsoTheGod Not all mercenaries are ex-soldiers. Some can be in law enforcement or in Anti-Terrorist units like S.W.A.T or E.T.R.U or E.T.U. and join the PMC. Try again with your little facts.
IdidRaysMother 1 month ago
@IdidRaysMother A mercenary is a PROFESIONAL soldier that uses his skills for personal wealth instead of serving his country. He can only be a professional soldier if he was trained to be a soldier by a nations military. Of course theres poser mercenaries but theyre absolute shit in combat, blackwater does not hire mercenaries unless theyve been trained by an army and have previous combat experience. Try again with your little facts.
AlfonsoTheGod 1 month ago
the last real Cowboys
WargasmPegasus 1 month ago
yeah what the fuck was he shooting at? No-one else in the car seems that bothered about anything coming back at them? The car was doing about 10-15mph - surely if they were getting shot at they'd be hauling ass.
getyaboogieon 1 month ago
@getyaboogieon It's training.
whoismrpib 1 month ago
dude on the gun cant stop moving afterwards, such adrenaline
daltinitm 1 month ago
aww how boring, he let go of the trigger. :P
xthewallhitmex 1 month ago
American insurgents.
altgeldrarities 1 month ago
@altgeldrarities America soldiers aren't rebels
Fassassino 1 month ago
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@Fassassino Nope, they aren't there to stand for anything in particular. Their orders are to act on the whims of the corrupt politicians who chose not to lead in battle themselves, but to order others to bear the misery while they furiously borrow and enforce the corporate agenda.
altgeldrarities 1 month ago
@Fassassino
These aren't American Soldiers, they're mercenaries. And "insurgent" and "rebel" are two different words with different meanings...
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 look up the def of insurgents then birrcch
Fassassino 1 month ago
@Fassassino Yeah, it's a synonym of rebel but it doesn't mean the same thing... what's your point?
fear432 1 month ago
@fear432 i dunno :)
Fassassino 1 month ago
what ppl dont know mercs can do shit that U.S. soldiers want to do but cant do.. THEIR R RULES to war. and the mercs dont have to follow them all tho u hate them u gatta respect them they to have family and kids that wait for them at home..
aztecboxer69 1 month ago
do they always wear ear plugs in combat?
benpg 1 month ago
@benpg not everyone. its a choice
AAproductionguns 1 month ago
@benpg ive read its becoming more common since when shit goes down your yelling cammands anyway. hearing some through ear plugs is not hard and on top of that they have plugs now that block loud noises like bombs and guns but allow audable sounds to pass through.
fatdan172501 1 month ago
@fatdan172501 I think you are taking about Surefires earplugs right? The ones with a little hole in the middle that is plugged for highest protection and opened for hearing? DONT BUY THEM, THEY SUCK.
ELITEHAMSTER123 1 month ago
@benpg You are supposed to. It is SOP, but most people don't. Sometimes you just don't have the time to put them in.
Lestat3721 1 month ago
@benpg I think a lot of it is electronic headsets now, but as far as I know, different branches have different requirements.
ELITEHAMSTER123 1 month ago
Aaaaw yeah! Hot boxin the ride.
superdonkeyballs 1 month ago
@poorandimmature I am well aware that they did. They sent over CIA operatives with the newly developed stinger missile system so that they could topple the Russian air superiority and retake their country. I was referring to the wmds that they had under their control. I am not ignorant of history. I am well versed in history and know what I am talking about. I do completely agree with your username because only someone who is immature is would resort to calling someone a "fag".
TheHkFreak 1 month ago
Mujahideen and Taliban. Different. Not the same. Get it right.
Floafffy 1 month ago
@Floafffy There are Muj within the Taliban, and who fight for the Taliban. So for the purpose of Afg, they are typically one and the same.
silvermediastudio 1 month ago
What pieces of shit. I'm surprised these blackwater guys are able to swallow their morals and kill women and children for such a cheap price!
If I decided I wanted to spend eternity in hell I would have asked for at least an annual hundred million dollar salary. Wait, no I wouldn't. I would never kill innocent people because I am not a subhuman piece of shit.
wowmage666 1 month ago
I'm embarrassed to be an American.
UMadUJelly 1 month ago
Most likely a training video exercising firing from a moving vehicle. I did a few of these drills in Israel firing out of the passenger and rear passenger windows on several different targets. He does seem to waste a lot of ammo though, his bursts should be a lot shorter.
Impulset0 1 month ago
FAKE!!! NO OPPOSING GUNFIRE, NO VEHICLE PROJECTILE IMPACT SOUNDS AND FOREMOST NO TACTICAL RELOAD! FAKE!! NO REAL ENGAGEMENT!! JUST SOME GUNG HO REDNECK IDIOT WANNABES SHOWING OFF!!B PATHETIC!!
aburgheim 1 month ago
fun fun fun fun
mememojo 1 month ago