I think this I think Ken is going to be a much richer man for it, but really people calling this a beating ...when you get up and walk away its just a fight... a beating requires a stretcher
You're a fucking idiot. Just because you think someone doesn't have healthcare then they deserved to get assaulted? What kind of fascist shitbasket are you? Don't pretend like you care for the 47 million people without HC. Or should they get beaten up too?
You're a Liberal Fascist.
And he does have healthcare, you're just too stupid and indoctrinated to know that.
Ironically, this guy who claims to have been beaten up has no health care coverage ... I don't see thugs here - rather just a gaggle of middle-aged, rather overweight ideologues falling over themselves, tripping all around each other after falling. It's kinda comical, really. Fox news reports this crap, yet won't mention the "thugs" bused in by Dick Armey's wingnut organization with the sole purpose of disrupting Democratic town halls.
@dalmatian847 It won't happen, because that's not what happened at all. Of course, Obama cowardly took back his comment about the cop acting stupidly, even though he DID, and when a guy is being harrassed by cops IN HIS OWN LIVING ROOM and the president buys him a damn beer, we see that black president or not, we're going to get VERY little forward progress on racial justice with Barack Obama. See also, throwing Van Jones under the bus.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh no? What did you see out of this video and the subsequent criminal charges filed against these two SEIU scumbags that I missed? I'll tell you what would happen to me(a white man) if I smarted off in Chicago to a cop who recieved a call of an attempted break-in. I'd have gotten tuned up and deserved it. The cops don't have time to deal with the bullshit of some guy with a chip on his shoulder refusing to produce I.D. Maybe Professor Gates "acted stupidly" How about that?.
@dalmatian847 I saw the ENTIRE video, not just this conveniently edited version, and talked with several eye-witnesses. This LIE that the union people attacked him has ZERO truth. Filing of criminal charges was a joke, the charges will be dropped if they haven't already.
The vomitous LIE that you "deserve" to get "tuned up" (meaning tortured) for not kissing up to the cops is as unAmerican as it gets. What part of "Free speech" is confusing to you? A pig who does that belongs in a cage.
@PrisonerNumber9653 " I'm guessing by your moniker that you've spent some time in the American Penal system and like everyone else, you were completely not guilty. Here's the deal, when a cop asks you for I.D, and you get beligerent, you get put in cuffs until such time as they can verify who you are. It's not freedom of speech to disobey a police officer asking for i.d while finding you at a 911 call reporting a break-in. What part of that isn't registering?
@dalmatian847 You'd guess wrong, you must have slept through history class. When you have ALREADY PROVEN YOU ARE IN YOUR OWN HOUSE and the cop STILL harasses you, one has every RIGHT to be angry about it. You've obviously lived in a happy little white fantasy world where cops NEVER harass anyone unfairly, and your little horseshit of "just do exactly as the officer tells you and nothing could go wrong" seems true.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I must have slept through history class? Really? Why don't you enlighten me as to where I'm wrong? DUMBASS, HE DID NOT PROVE HE WAS IN HIS OWN HOUSE. That was the whole point. The cops asked for I.D, he refused to provide it and acted in a "stupid" manner. You'd be wrong in guessing what sort of life I have lived. So tell me about black on black crime, homey. Or is that considered too"racist" to bring up?
@dalmatian847 Gates did NOT "act stupidly". Nor did the pig. He acted criminally. Racist harassment of someone after they've PROVEN they are in their own house is despicable, a violation of his civil rights, and the idea that GATES did something wrong is fascism. you belong in the Taliban, not the US. "Do what authorities tell you, no matter if it's right or wrong, even in your own house". That is NOT America.
@PrisonerNumber9653 ZZZZZZZ, really, you got anything better than that. Shoulding you be attending a "Free Mumia" rally or something? One more time for Obama's bowling partner, A COP RESPONDING TO A 911 CALL ABOUT A POSSIBLE B&E HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND I.D WITHOUT GETTING A BELIGERENT RESPONSE FROM AN "INTELLECTUAL" with a chip on his shoulder about a cop having the unmitigated gall to verify that he in fact, lived there. Get your facts straight. Obama is an idiot for commentiing on it at all.
@dalmatian847 Hilarious. You aren't happy enough with cops harassing someone in his own living room for being black, when a racist court can put someone on death row in a fraudulent trial, MUCH better.
No, asshole, a cop does NOT have the right to harass someone AFTER HE'S ALREADY PROVEN HE IS IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
"Intellectual"? You're saying a Harvard professor can't be intellectual if he's black? Obama wasn't an idiot for telling the truth, he was a coward for not demanding justice.
@PrisonerNumber9653 No what's hilarious is you continuing to have an issue with cops doing their job when even Obama admitted there was nothing racial about his pompous ass friend getting arrested for being beligerent towards police. Remember Obama's idiotic "beer summit"? He made himself out to be a bigger foll that Gates on that one.. You really should be more concerned about the rise in black unemployment since Obama took over. His policies are keeping the black man down!
@dalmatian847 This cop was NOT doing his job. Gates has ALREADY PROVEN HE WAS IN HIS OWN HOUSE and still the harassment continued. That's NOT the job of the police, and if you think white people are treated like that in anywhere CLOSE to the same numbers, you're off your rocker. Obama didn't "admit" there was nothing racial, it was a LIE he barfed for his own cowardly political gamesmanship. The cop should have been FIRED, but chickenshit Obama cares more about his future than racial justice.
@dalmatian847 you bet I remember the "beer summit", and yes, it was idiotic, he rewarded a cop who should have at least been reprimanded if not fired.
Gates a "fool"? For standing up for his own rights in his own house? What a racist dick you are. Again, this idea that people should just do whatever Officer Friendly says no matter what doesn't exist in black America, where police brutality and injustice is a fact of life.
Black unemployment is up because of GOP cuts to public service programs.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Clearly reading is a skill you lack,. Gates was acting like a clown, followed a cop OUTSIDE his house into the public and continued to cause a scene. That's called disorderly conduct. He obviously had a chip on his shoulder. He's lucky they ddn't tase his stupid ass.
@dalmatian847 Bullshit. Gates was acting like an AMERICAN. A pig was harassing him after he'd PROVEN HE WAS IN HIS OWN HOME. What part of "freedom" don't you get? Are we now a fascist nation, where if authority figure comes into your home you say "yes, sir, whatever you want"?
The COP caused the scene with his inexcusable behavior.
Shove "chip on your shoulder" up your ass, blacks in America have been given REASON to defend their freedom with centuries of racism and oppression.
@dalmatian847 That you think tasing someone for being outraged at this injustice is appropriate shows that, indeed, you wish it WERE a fascist nation. Incredible. Those fucking things should be banned, for one thing. For another, this is AMERICA and the first amendment says you don't get attacked with a deadly weapon by a cop for SPEAKING.
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, I think being Gates not being tased for acting like a belligerent jerkoff after being warned by the cop to back off shows me we are NOT a fascist nation. The first amendment has limitations, and acting belligerent towards a peace officer is one of those. He's lucky he didn't get tased. It took incredible restraint on the part of the officer, or "pig" as you referred to him as you lecture me about "common decency". Spare me your bullshit and rank hypocrisy.
@dalmatian847 So, you think blacks should just give cops a "Yessuh, massah" and not talk back? You truly ARE KKK. The cop telling him to "back off" can go FUCK himself, this is NOT a fascist nation, people have freedom of speech, racist shit ALWAYS calls blacks "beligerent" for standing up for their rights, surprised you didn't call him "Uppity".
He's lucky he wasn't attacked with a deadly weapon for SPEAKING? There was no "restraint" from this cop, just racist harassment, that's indecent.
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, I think blacks like EVERYONE else shouldn't act beligerently towards law enforcement. When they do, they should be prepared to suffer the consequences of their own stupidity , rather than blame it on racism. So just STFU and deal with the fact that when you act like an idiot towards law enforcement, you should expected to be treated as such.
@dalmatian847 And you may go fuck yourself. I will Goddamn well act beligerently towards pigs if they're harassing me in my own home without cause. This is NOT a fascist nation where you just bend over for anyone with a uniform. Cops can and often do MAKE MISTAKES, and to say you just say "Yessuh massah" whenever a cop says jump is as unamerican and anti-freedom as it gets. Gates is a Harvard professor and you call him "stupid" for not kissing the cops' asses?
@dalmatian847 Obama's programs aren't "keeping the black man down", you lying racist hypocrite. You'd LOVE it if they were, but it's the RIGHT causing the employment problems. Employment has INCREASED in the private sector since Obama took office in spite of the lingering affects of the Bush recession. But GOP-led governments are making massive cuts to state and local programs, not only increasing suffering of the needy, but sending THOUSANDS of good public servants to the unemployment line.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh no? So tell me why BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT has skyrocketed during the Obama regime at a much higfher rate that for whites? Wait, don't tell me. It's those racist employers trying to make Obama look bad, right "Racist hypocrite"? Spoken by someone whose every card is the "race card" in the entire 52 card deck. Do you have a intelligent point to make anywhere in that mush called your brain? You are fucking boring me to death. What a joke.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh no? Not only does it exist, it's all street hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson can play with. It doesn't imply racism doesn't exist, what it implies is a weak ass argument. The reason blacks are worse offf under Obama's policies must mean it's because Obama';s racist. Is that about right? Because while the black unemployment rate was LOWER under Bush than under Obama and even Clinton. It was because Bush "didn't care about black folks". How's "The One" working out?
@dalmatian847 The sickest, most racist of lies. Civil rights leaders following in the footsteps of King and Farmer are NOT "street hustlers." It God damn well DOES imply racism doesn't exist, that civil rights leaders just make it up. Obama has NOT made blacks worse off, Republicans HAVE. You CONTINUE to babble about the unemployment rate, IGNORING that it's the REPUBLICANS who've caused it to drop.
President Obama's working out far better than McCain would have, but leaves a lot to be desired.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Tell me what footsteps of Dr. King's is Al and Jesse following exactly? I don't recall Dr. King being a big advocate for abortion. Something that affects the black community disproportionately to the point of self-genocide. I don't recall one speech of Dr. King's asking for handouts or reparations. Dr. King was about self discipline and self control, neither of which is espoused by those clowns. BTW, as I write this, the U.S has been downgraded by S&P first time in history.
@dalmatian847 There's NOTHING today's civil rights leadership supports that was NOT supported by King. NOBODY is an advocate for abortion, King was strongly Pro-Choice, and the hard right is now attacking King's friend Margaret Sanger as a "racist" to try to defund Planned Parenthood. It's a vile LIE to call CHOICE "genocide".
King asked for reparations OVER AND OVER, and in spite of your horseshit calling it "handouts" he called for a GREAT increase in spending to help the poor.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Margeret Sanger was a vile human being and a strong proponent of eugenics. Now being the public school success you have demonstrated yourself to be, you know nothing about the term.
Let me educate you. "Eugenicists strongly espoused racial supremacy and “purity,” particularly of the “Aryan” race.. They sought to contain the “inferior” races through segregation, sterilization, birth control and abortion." You were saying?
@dalmatian847 Flat out sick LIES. Sanger was an outstanding person who was NOT a proponent of eugenics AT ALL. I know very well about the term, and about the anti-choice radicals now FALSELY accusing Sanger of eugenics, in order to justify their despicable attacks on Planned Parenthood and reproductive choice.
That quote is NOT from Margaret Sanger, and does NOT describe her in the SLIGHTEST. She supported choice to HELP black families, not "control" them. WEB DuBois and MLK AGREED with her.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh it's not? Then she must have been misqouted in her own book then. In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to:
Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race...
Yeah, that's REAL outstanding. No wonder you think Jackson and Sharpton are worthy successor's to Dr. King's leagacy.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Clearly you have a reading disability. She includes certain RACES in her comment. I suggest you get yourself a Hooked on Phonics program instead of the latest Air Jordan's like Dr. Bill Cosby suggested. There is no evidence King and Sanger were "good friends", however there is plenty of evidence Sanger and Hitler were chummy and both were followers of eugenics. That you managed to omit in your praise of Sanger, didn't you? Guess you know Sanger as much as King did
@dalmatian847 I read just fine, moron. There is NOTHING remotely racist or supportive of eugenics in her writings. There damn well IS evidence she was a friend of, and her work supported by, Dr. King. But, you've already proven you don't know jack shit about MLK.
There is ZERO evidence she was "chummy" with Hitler. You're obviously taking the LIES of hate groups and pretending that's "evidence". I "omitted" it because it's a despicable lie.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You might "read" just fine, but you clearlt have a problem with comprehension. I'm sure you could"Read" what's in a basic medical textbook, yet fail to understand anything that you have read. See, comprehension is really the most important part of reading. Of course, being the "public school success" I wouldn't expect otherwise. Otherwise, you wouldn't make a statement that Sanger didn't believe in eugenics despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I qoute HER OWN WRITINGS directly, you provide nothing to the contrary. You lose and you suck. May God have mercy on your soul because he's not done your brain any favors lately.
@dalmatian847 Liar, you did NOT quote her own writings directly, you quoted LIES about her directly, claiming she said things SHE DID NOT SAY.
And the blasphemy of saying God should "have mercy on my soul" because I blow up your sick lies is truly vile. It doesn't require brains for you to quote hate groups, any moron can do it. What takes brains is reading the books themselves, and learning that indeed she did NOT say what hate groups claim she did.
@PrisonerNumber9653 More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
@dalmatian847 The first quote is a lie. It was published in a REVIEW of an article by Sanger. She never said it.
The second quote is a lie. It was said by Dr. Edward Kampf, and is taken entirely out of context, an intentional perversion of its meaning. She referred to the quote, meaning in "thoroughbreds" people who were loved and had economic opportunity. It had ZERO to do with race.
The final quote is a bald-faced lie, published first in an ANONYMOUS flyer from a rabid anti-choice group.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Influenced strongly by both the eugenics movement and the progressive welfare programs of the New Deal era, the Negro Project was, from the start, largely indifferent to the needs of the black community and constructed in terms and with perceptions that today smack of racism..The Sanger Papers Project , NYU . Is NYU a "hate group" in your opinion?
She met Hitler as many times as "good friend"(your words, not mine) MLK. That would be ZERO.
@dalmatian847 Of course she was influenced by the New Deal, as every decent human being of the era would be, with the exception of the MILLIONS who thought it was far too little. She wasn't influenced in the SLIGHTEST by the eugenics "movement". The claim that the "Negro project" which was FULLY SUPPORTED by WEB DuBois was "indifferent to the needs of the black community" is horseshit.
What is your source for your LIES about Hitler? Where are you getting this, ahem, "information"?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Except Hitler wasn't much into the New Deal, but they really clicked with eugenics. This information was from the Marger Sanger Project website from NYU. You can takre it up with those "right-wing haters" in Greenwich Village. Then WEB is a MORON. It's as simple as that! There used to be a term for communist sympathizers in the West. Lenin coined then "useful idiots". DuBois was a useful idiot for a clandestine movement that wiped out more blacks that the KKK could dream of.
@dalmatian847 Liar. Sanger was NOT in league with Hitler.
"Communist sympathizers" is the radical right's term for anyone who gave...for that matter, gives...a shit about the needy. Lenin didn't coin the phrase, and to think you're more intelligent and know more about what's best for African-Americans than WEB DuBois shows YOU to be the useful idiot, a tool of hate groups without the foggiest notion what the fuck you're talking about.
All so you bigots can put women back into the kitchen.
@PrisonerNumber9653 What LIES about Hitler are you refering to? That he was influenced by eugenics? Try the Simon Weisenthal Center for Holocaust studies, or is that too "right-wing" for you?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Of course they were. Nothing but lies. Eugenics supported by Sanger had NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. It's just coincidence that her abortion clinics were put in poor black neighborhoods and black babies have been disproportionarely aborted, Pure coincidence.
@dalmatian847 Sanger didn't support eugenics AT ALL. It's a lie.
There is no such thing as an abortion clinic. Women's health clinics which provide comprehensive health services including abortion are in the neighborhoods where they're most needed. NO baby has been aborted, the hard right uses improper language like calling an embryo a "baby" because the anti-choice movement rests on hysterics and emotion, not fact, and this new racist twist is just part of that.
@PrisonerNumber9653 .Do yourself a favor and actually research Sanger . She published such articles as "Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics" (June 1920), "The Eugenic Conscience" (February 1921), "The purpose of Eugenics" (December 1924), "Birth Control and Positive Eugenics" (July 1925), "Birth Control: The True Eugenics" (August 1928), and many others.
See you have an opinion, I have an opinion. However I back up my opinions with FACTs. You, Mr "public education success" do not.
@dalmatian847 I have, a great deal. I've known of her for years, have read her books and writings. She did not EVER advocate eugenics. A journal she helped PUBLISH ran those articles, written by OTHER PEOPLE. It was dedicated to discussion of important issues, providing a VARIETY of views on them.
I do not have an opinion, I have facts. You have cut and paste from hate groups.
And shove your final line right up your ass. The right's attacks on education are your single most immoral act.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Then I can only guess you're either an idiot or a liar. A simple Google search will verify she was not only a follow of eugenics but also much closer of a friend to Adolph Hitler than M.L King. Tell me would "Feminists For Choice" be one of those "hate groups"? From Choice Chat, a discussion with feminist Gloria Feldt"Feldt herself recognizes Sanger’s involvement with eugenics as “the most difficult stain” to remove from Sanger’s legacy". You were saying?
@dalmatian847 It's insane the number of ignorant fools who tell me "Just Google this!"
Yes, just google it, and you will find plenty of hate groups CLAIMING she supported eugenics. I've actually read her writings, and those of people who really knew her.
She LOATHED Hitler, hated him.
What Feldt SHOULD have said was "the rumors are a difficult stain", sadly these LIES are so widespread even people like her aren't aware they're untrue, spread by the sort of liar who claims she liked Hitler.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes, it's insane to actually ask you to LEARN about something before posting nonsense as fact. How stupid to even suggest you look up the meaning of a word before writing a rant that demonstrates you haven't the slightest clue about it's meaning. I provided you a pro-choice website that ACKNOWLEDGES the eugencist claims are legitimate, but you being the "public school success" don't feel any need to further educate yourself on facts. Yet, I'm the "ignorant fool". Gotcha.
@dalmatian847 I have never posted "nonsense as fact".
You provided a site that CLAIMS it is legitimate, and I explained it. This lie is very widespread, ONE PERSON in the pro-choice movement who hasn't yet learned it's a fraud doesn't magically make it true.
I am VERY well educated on this topic, both in Sangers writings, AND in the sinister attempts by racist anti-choice thugs to MAKE UP these lies in order to try to steal the right to choose from black and other women.
@PrisonerNumber9653 She shared a common philosophy with Hitler. That of a master race that could be created by eugenics . She only disagreed that his tactivs went too far. She had no problems with institionalizing "undesirables" , or killing them BEFORE birth, Like the coward she was, didn't have the stomach for murdering them afterwards. They might be able to fight back then, like Jews did in the Warsaw ghetto uprising .
@dalmatian847 Still the sickest, most vile and abusive of lies. She shared NO common philosophy AT ALL with Hitler. She LOATHED the Nazis. She did NOT think their methods "went too far," she hated everything they stood for.
Calling her a coward, while you promote vicious lies, is the ultimate in hypocrisy. Slurring the name of an American hero, dead so she cannot correct your falsehoods, all in the name of stripping women of equality is as cowardly as can be.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Hahahaha! You are too predictable. They both supported eugenics as a means of getting rid of the undesirables, the mentally ill, the morons. Little did Sanger know that had she succeeded, she'd have deprived the Democratic Party of it's largest voting bloc.
@dalmatian847 Absolute bald-faced lies. Sanger did NOT support eugenics, did NOT support "getting rid of undesirables" NOR did she view black people in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER as "undesirable." Her support of reproductive choice for women HELPED those women and those families tremendously, it had NOTHING to do with "getting rid of undesirables."
Blacks are not a "voting bloc", they're human beings, Democrats support equality because it's the right thing to do, not to get votes.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You really need to see someone about that reading disability you have. Read the post S L O W L Y and C A R E F U L L Y. I didn;t say abortion was murder. You must have been a whiz on your SAT, or is that one of them there racist exams that don't take into account proficiency in ebonics?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Sanger DID support eugenics. There is no denial of this even from her suppoters,. Only that it was a sort of "kinder,gentler" eugenics, “The great irony is that abortion has done what the Klan only dreamed of.” Dr Alveda King, neice of Martin Luther King Jr. Where is she wrong in her thinking?
See added, “15 million black people have been denied their most basic civil right, the right to life. Roughly one quarter of the black population is now missing.” Is she a racist?
@dalmatian847 Actually there is, you're just not seeing it. It's a sad fact that this falsehood's been around so widely that even supporters think it's true.
Alveda King has her right to her own opinion. Unfortunately, she has sullied Martin Luther King's name by taking his reputation and running it through the mud, using his name to spread bigotry and lies. Her thinking is the most vile of trash, the right to choose has been a Godsend for millions of black women. The Klan never helped anyone.
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, it's been a Godsend for the Klan who couldn't kill anywhere near as many blacks as are voluntarily aborted. Is there any reason why the Democratic party is abandoning you for hispanics? The tend not to abort their babies,. They can grow up to campaign and vote for them. How about those aborted black children? So if you tow the "masser's" line, even when that includes justifying aborting 15 million black babies., you're a sell-out? How pathetic must your life be?
@dalmatian847 Despicable racist lies. There's nothing REMOTELY racist or "Klan" about reproductive choice. The Democratic Party is not "abandoning" anyone, they've supported equality for African-Americans AND Latinos for a long time (not nearly as strongly as they should)
My life's not remotely "pathetic," a life lived in service to others instead of just money-grubbing or even worse fighting AGAINST justice and equality has achieved the purpose for which God gave us life in the first place.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Of course, you are much more brighter than Sanger's supporters, biographer, and archivists. You should tell them all to STFU because you're a "public school success" and have your GED to prove it.
@dalmatian847 No, moron, I do not claim to be so. I AM one of Sanger's supporters, have read her biography, and her papers and archives. You obviously have not. I don't need to tell them to shut up, because they KNOW she was not racist, nor did she support eugenics.
@dalmatian847 No, she's not racist, but she IS playing into a sick, racist meme, trying to pretend that the right to choose is somehow "racist" or bad for black people. She has every right to tell them that it's bad for blacks and to discourage blacks from having abortions. That is NOT what she's doing, she's trying to rob from black women, from ALL women the right to CHOOSE for themselves. The idea that blacks, or anyone, would be better off with millions more unwanted children is vomit.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Let's see. Blacks excercising the right to choose to stay a permanent minority in this country is to who's benefit again? Mull that one over.
@dalmatian847 Their being a "minority" or not has NOTHING to do with this at all. There's a lot that morally repugnant about trying to rob women, especially black women, of the right to choose and this vile stunt of saying "have lots more children you cannot afford to care for, and for whom we will not provide decent living conditions or educational opportunity, so there will be more black votes" is among the sleaziest of them all.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You've known her for years? She died in 1966. Are you doing seances? Put thast on your resume, you might have a shot at the Secretary of State gig, if Hillary resigns. Those are direct qoutes from HER writings,. Let me guess, she was mis-qouted in her autobiography? Oh right, it's the "right" who deny poor black kids the ability to leave dangerous unperforming schools by denying them vouchers. Got it. No wonder you're such a "public school success". Go fuck yourself.
@dalmatian847 NO, asshole, they are NOT direct quotes from her writings. Do you REALLY have her autobiography there in front of you?
We both know you don't. You have the website of a hate group CLAIMING it says this in the books. IT DOES NOT.
I didn't say I knew her, moron. I said I knew OF her.
Vouchers are a scheme to give tax breaks to the rich and public funding to right wing academies, they do NOT benefit the poor, black or white. Schools are underperforming because they're underfunded.
@PrisonerNumber9653 "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people. The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
@dalmatian847 Absolute lies. Those words are NOT found in any of Sanger's writings. Now you see why I ask for your source for these quotes, it's obviously a hate group, and you have NOT found them in a reading of Sanger's books and papers.
I have read her books, and her papers, and she was NOT a racist, nor did she support eugenics.
It would be foul to attack someone in this way for any reason, that it's being done to strip not just women but specifically black women of their rights is immoral
@dalmatian847 King was a strong proponent of reparations.
You've yet to provide ONE WORD that I've said that was a "lie". You just pretend the FACTS I'm bringing are "lies" because the radical right hate groups whose bilge you swallow told you to.
This is Limbaugh's America. The hard right's told people for so long not to believe credible sources, that the mainstream media is "biased," that education and history and science are "biased," that ONLY right wing hate radio tells the truth.
@PrisonerNumber9653 King never mentioned reparations ONCE. Odd for someone you claim was a strong proponent to never publicly mention reparations by name. I guess you know more about King and Sanger than even King and Sanger did. Once again,. is the Library of Congress "biased", or just not credible? Tell me, did you ever experience a day when you said to yourself, "obviously this isn't working out for me" and try a different approach like , thinking critically for a change? You might like it.
@dalmatian847 Well, you just proved you never read King. He mentioned them several times, he did so in the book "Why we can't wait" and in the "I have a dream" speech.
I have always thought critically...including seeing through the lies of bigots like you, who think the ability to parrot the lies of hate groups, even those who SEEM to have factual accuracy.
To claim King opposed reparations and affirmative action is a bald-faced lie, as is the claim that Sanger was "racist" in any way at all
@dalmatian847 in King's day, he harshly criticized this despicable bullshit that poverty was about lack of "self-discipline" or "self-control", that has NOTHING to do with it. Poverty is about greed and inequality, which exist today. King was a socialist, and you want to pretend he was one of these selfish right wing assholes shouting "Get a job!" at the victims of poverty? You really have never read one word he said. This "respect" for King from the right is vomit, we he alive you'd HATE him.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Really? Then why don't you demonstate the "public education success story" you are by posting those qoutes where Dr. King thought it was a good idea to have as many children as possible with as many woman as possible so you can collect welfare. I'm giuessing that speech wasn't as well known as "I had a dream".King voted Republican his entire life. He hated the Democrat Party and it's terrorist wing, the KKK. This is the party you blindly are obedient to today. Your "massah".
Dr King wanted EQUAL TREATMENT, not special treatment for blacks. He'd be horrified at where scumbags like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have taken his people. Tell my why is it 50 years after The Great Society, that life is worse for blacks in America despite affirmative action and all the freebies of governent?
BTW, LBJ famously said of welfare "this will give us the n....r vote for the next 200 years". Was he wrong in that assessment? I think not.
@PrisonerNumber9653 The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education Dr. M.L King. Does public education do this? You've proven an uncanny inability to think critically . Instead you just rehash the same old bullshit that's been spoon-fed to you. Tell me, if public education is so successful, why are there so many poor black kids trying to get into private schools via the voucher program?
See that's where your wrong. If King we alive today, there is no doubt the plight of blacks would have been different and far more towards his vision for America. "Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable... Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals." MLK Hmmm, sacrifice? How does that jibe with the "it's all the fault of racism" garbage his "successors" spew?
@dalmatian847 Actually there's massive doubt. There are civil rights leaders asking for the exact same things and getting beaten down, just as King was.
They are not "successors" they are successors, and the LIE that the steps towards justice call for the "sacrifice" of BLAMING POVERTY ON THE VICTIMS.
He meant the sacrifice, to fight for a more just and equal society for ALL PEOPLE, not make yourself rich and ignore the plight of others.
You're trying to paint a socialist as a conservative.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Massive doubt about what? Obama's policies? He's got a 91% approval rating in the b;ack community who has suffered the most disproprtionately out of all the groups. Dr King got his doctorate in what again? His occopation was what again? Is the Bible liberal or conservative? Think about that for a second.
@dalmatian847 Because blacks KNOW they are NOT worse off under Obama, no matter how much you try to cherry pick a couple of stats and cook up this lie.
King got a doctorate in theology from Boston University. He was a minister of the Lord Jesus Christ.
EVERY SINGLE THING that makes me liberal comes from following Jesus Christ. EVERY SINGLE THING.
The blasphemy of pretending it's someone "Christian" to support the greed and bigotry of extremist conservatism is an insult to God.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Really? So I guess all those Christian groups protesting the ending of innocent life in Sanger's "clinics" got it all wrong then? Why don't you provide some of those "Christian beliefs" in relation to abortion? Blacks do know they are worse off. However, they don't have the courage to express this. This is why scholars such as Bill Cosby or Thomas Sowell are looked down upon in that community. However, keeping the dirty laundry in- house doesn't change the stench one bit!
@dalmatian847 These anti-choice radicals are NOT just "Christians", plenty of Christians are pro-choice. And YES, harassing and intimidating women facing an incredibly difficult decision is absolutely wrong. I DO provide Christian beliefs in relation to abortion, which is "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you", I would NOT want these puritans OR the government telling me what I could or could not do with my own body.
@PrisonerNumber9653 So tell me what part of the Gospels do these "pro-choice Christians" turn to to support there beleifs that abortion is totally justified within Christian faith? So how does "do unto others " relate to abortion exactly? Whether you'd care to admit or not, they are doing just that. They are hoping to stop someone from committing a mortal sin and those people would sincerely hope that someone would care enough about them to do the same.
@dalmatian847 "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." Were you pregnant, about to enter college, totally unable to afford a child and would lose a scholarship and never be able to attend college without an abortion, I have no right to tell you not to.
NO, the anti-choice radicals are NOT following "do unto others," they are violating it. NOBODY wants their rights taken away. It is not a "mortal sin", and if you think it is, YOU MAY CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE ONE.
@dalmatian847 Cosby is NOT "looked down on", he made really rotten comments and has been criticized for them (I do so right to his face)
Thomas Sowell is looked down on by ALL decent human beings. That he's black is merely an accident of birth, mostly he's rich and putting his own greed ahead of either racial justice or economic justice. His Darwinian economics would kill millions, all in the name of gred.
Keeping dirty laundry in? NONE of this was discussed in the media?
@PrisonerNumber9653 " Keeping dirty laundry in? NONE of this was discussed in the media?" You mean the same media who refuses to mention the race of a crime suspect that they encourge people to help find? That media? Tell me what was stupid about Cosby's comments, or for that matter his book "Wake Up People"!
Dr Sowell is looked down upon by ALL decent human beings? And you of course are the arbiter of what's considered decent, aren't you? Tell me what's "indecent" about him? Do you read him?
@dalmatian847 Dear God your racism is vile. The race of suspects is CONSTANTLY mentioned. Every single day.
Cosby's comments were idiotic because there was ZERO mention of racism, it was entirely about blaming the victim. And I told him so to his face.
YES, Sowell is looked down on by decent human beings. Putting greed ahead of human life is not decent. Saying it's great that people die by the tens of thousands so corporations can profit is not decent. I read him every single week.
@PrisonerNumber9653 EVERY SINGLE THING ? Tell me where Jesus Christ thought human life was a "choice"? Was it John,Luke, Mark, or Matthew where he makes this revelation? I can't wait to hear this one!
@dalmatian847 Jesus Christ never said a word about abortion. He DID tell us NOT to do unto others what we would NOT want done to us. Nobody wants their constitutional rights taken away. NOBODY wants government forcing them into medical decisions they do not want.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Name ONE thing that makes you "liberal" that comes from the New Testament.
Is it your compassion for the unborn? Your hatred of the police? (blessed are the peacemakers) What is it that's distinctly liberal that comes from Jesus Christ. ONE THING is all I ask for.
Then tell me again why it is that conservatives, and not liberals are more giving of their time and money to charity?
@dalmatian847 EVERY SINGLE THING that makes me a liberal comes from Jesus Christ, from support for programs to help the poor, fighting for equality and justice, anti-war, protecting the environment.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice, for they will be filled.
Your phony "compassion for the unborn" disappears the minute a child is actually BORN, this is about inequality for women, not "compassion". This same "compassion for the unborn" had many opposing birth control.
@dalmatian847 This claim that conservatives "give more to charity" couldn't be more meaningless. To give to "charity" while opposing what's REALLY needed, which is societal change so that we do NOT just give the poor our leftovers but make them truly equal is not an act of true charity at all. There are congressmen giving a few thousand bucks to charity, then fighting to take MILLIONS out of programs for needy children.
There's no policy that is liberal that's NOT supported by Christ.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Who's getting beaten down and their civil rights denied? Other than white victims of black "flash mobs" that is? Or the Black Panther's intimidating white voters in Philly in 2008. King would have been good with the thuggery, the drug abuse, the black children aborted or being raised by their granny? This is what he took a bullet for? You actually beleive this narrative?
@dalmatian847 Every black person in America. Blacks are unemployed more and get paid less for doing the same jobs. They are discriminated against in educational opportunity, and our so-called "justice" system and law enforcement are horribly racist.
The KKK bullshit about black mobs "intimidating" voters is pure lies. They were NOT black panthers, they are a tiny fringe group calling themselves "New Black Panthers" who have NOTHING to do with anyone. more
@PrisonerNumber9653 Why is that? Especially in Obama's America with all theose "public school success stories" running around? Tell me if lack of education, prison record, or inability to hold a job should be criteria used by employers?
Once again, reading is a skill. I didn't say black mobs were intimidating voters. I said black mobs of "youths" were mugging people. You ought to look up dyslexia. There is therapy for that.
@dalmatian847 The insane racism of Fox in showing that clip NONSTOP even though not a SINGLE white voter was kept from voting, after the massive disenfranchisement of black voters from Florida 2000 and Ohio 4 years later to intimidation of Hispanic voters in the southwest, the lynching of ACORN, and Jim Crow laws of banning PAST felons from voting FOR LIFE are all part of that.
King would have been against the poverty and desperation that leads to drug abuse, and was strongly pro choice.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I see, so now you are also the final arbiter of whether or not white voters were kept from voting? Interesting. Here I thought it was only Obama that had the God complex. Here's some FACTS. Those jack-booted clowns were found GUILTY of voter intimidation. Eric Holder's so-called "justice" department then drops the charges AFTER the verdict! Now, imagine if those clowns were wearing white sheets instead of black berets . You amuse me to no end.
@dalmatian847 No, shit for brains, I am NOT the "arbiter", it's DOCUMENTED FACT. Not a SINGLE ONE of those people was prevented from voting.
NO, shit for brains, Obama does NOT have a "God complex."
Holder's department dropped the charges because there was nowhere NEAR the evidence for federal conviction. They were convicted on LOCAL charges, it was a LOCAL story blown up by racist Fox "News".
Racist whites don't have to wear sheets to keep blacks from voting, they're office holders now.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Sorry shit for brains. They were CONVICTED of voter intimidation. Of course. It was "racist" fox news. They weren't trying to intimidate anyone. Just like those boys with the sheets working for the good old Democratic patrty weren't trying to scare black folks off polling places since Reconstruction. No doubt O.J was framed by those racist cops too, wasn't he?
@dalmatian847 And, AGAIN, not a SINGLE person was prevented from voting by the "New Black Panthers." They were convicted, probably rightfully, of LOCAL charges. This was never a national story, and federal charges were not appropriate, that's the only reason Holder threw it out.
That you think blacks are so stupid that these perverted stories about long past history is more important than current policy really is insulting.
I've never mentioned OJ, though LA cops racism is well-documented.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Where was this massive disenfranchisement of blacks in 2000? Please share this shocking reveleation that only apperently you know about. Do you have any idea how many states, both blue and red have gotten convictions for voter registration fraud tied to ACORN? Please, save the bullshit for someone who doesn't follow current events, i.e a fellow liberal. Tell me how it's possible that during the Mn Senate recount that MORE votes were counted than voters registered?
@dalmatian847 Florida. And it's not a "shocking revelation", it's very widely known in spite of the conservative media ignoring it. It was a major part of Bush's theft of the 2000 election. THOUSANDS of blacks were removed from voter roles by a racist secretary of state Katherine Harris.
Yes, I know how many votes were cast fraudulently tied to ACORN. The number is ZERO. Not a SINGLE vote was cast that shouldn't have been. NOBODY was prevented from voting who SHOULD have. ACORN was lynched.
@PrisonerNumber9653 What conservative media was ignoring it. The New York Times? Washington Post? CNN? MSNBC? AirAmerica? NPR? Tell me which of these racist conservative outfits I just mentioned covered this facisnating story? Yeah, I guess all those voter registrations under false names couldn't have possibly voted? It must have been pure coincidence that the Mn Senate recount came up with more votes cast than actiual people who could cast them. I'm sure Eric Holder is hot on the trail.
@dalmatian847 Air America isn't the media, and has no place in that list, and YES, the others DID ignore it.
The registrations under false names were NOT done by ACORN, but by independent, part-time temp workers who were paid by the number of cards filled out, so they filled out phony ones TO RIP OFF ACORN. There is not a SINGLE INSTANCE of someone being shown to have voted who should not have because of this. Do you really think Mickey Mouse voted, idiot?
@PrisonerNumber9653 In King's day he wanted blacks to be judged equally with whites, on their merits , not the color of their skin. So tell me what could possible be a more RACIST policy that providing a program such as affirmative action that does not judge someone on merits, but ertirely on the color of their skin? Affirmative action basically says blacks cannot compete with the other races and therefore have to be given special dispensation. KIng would have been good with this? I doubt it.
@dalmatian847 The racist vomit that King wasn't them "judged on merit not the color of their skin" meant OPPOSITION to affirmative action shows how the racists try to lie about King. In the EXACT SAME SPEECH that line is from, King lined out, as he did many times, his support for AGGRESSIVE affirmative action to equalize opportunity. It's the most VILE of lies to call affirmative action racist, the opposite is true. It does NOT say they cannot compete, it says they should be allowed to.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You still haven't explained how affirmative action, which in it's theory accepts the notion that blacks are inferior and therefore incapable of competing with whites on an even playing field is not a racist notion at it's very core. See liberal racism is more destructive that even the KKK. It keeps blacks down for generations . It doesn't have to SAY they can't, in theory that is what it does.. It says blacks CAN'T compete due to DNA,. End of story.
@dalmatian847 NO, you KKK son of a bitch, AA does NOT accept the notion that blacks are inferior, AT ALL.
"Liberal racism" is a rancid right wing lie to cover their own hate. Liberal policies do NOT "keep blacks down". AA does NOT say blacks can't compete, it says our racist society doesn't ALLOW them to equally.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are the son of the bitch. Or shall I say crack whore, One more time for the gifted "public school success" that you demonstate you are. AA, (not alcoholics anonymous, or American airlines) in practice says, blacks are stupid and have no way of competing with whites. Therefore we have to save them a place at the table, otherwise they will starve to death. Of course, it must be all those "racist" requirements like reading for context and critical thinking.
It's the most racist of LIES to claim AA says blacks are "stupid". A racist LIE. Blacks are every bit as intelligent and capable of competing, AA overcomes DISCRIMINATION in the hiring process.
It is of course deeply racist to claim that blacks were held back by "critical thinking" or "reading for context". You continue to vomit deep racism, while your other face claims racism doesn't exist at all.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You're supposedly all about "fairness" as a liberal. So tell me what's "fair" about a group that as of the 2010 Census accounts for 19% of the total population being an overwhelming majority of federal, state and county workers? If it was about "fairness" only one in five would be black. How is this not discrimination? Where's Al and Jesse demonstrating on the behalf of the 81% being discriminated against?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Calling you a "puiblic school success" is insulting to public schools. But I digress. I should have said, the overwhelming majority of non managerial federal, state, and muni workers are black.
@dalmatian847 Hardly. You've yet to show one word I've said to be untrue.
And you're claim that the majority of federal workers were black is insanity, not remotely close to truth. NOW, you change it to "non-managerial"...and it's STILL a load of shit.
I'll ask, AGAIN, for a source for this preposterous lie.
@dalmatian847 You've obviously never read ONE WORD King said. In his speeches, his writings, his books, his private conversations, he supported strong affirmative action and reparations for slavery. He supported union labor and strong control of economic justice. It wasn't an overstatement to call him a socialist.
It's a disgrace that right wing racists like you try to steal King, try to pretend he stood for the exact OPPOSITE of what he really stood for.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'll bet you I've read more of King's writings than you have of Margeret Sanger's. It's a VAST overstastement to call King a socialist and demonstrates a complete ignorance of the term. Seeing your too lazy to google, I'll do it for you .. SOCIALISM
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods . King trusted to government to run everything, did he?
@dalmatian847 You've obviously NOT read King's writings (and I have read Sanger's...directly, not quotes from hate groups) it is NOT an overstatement to call King a socialist, and I know very well what the term means, BEING a socialist.
It is NOT "the government running everything", it is the PEOPLE running everything, you forget THIS IS AMERICA. I know hate radio's conditioned you to think of "the government" as bad in Timothy McVeigh style, but WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.
@PrisonerNumber9653 One more time for the intellectually lazy cretins who think they're smart. I provided you with the defintion of socialism. It's the goverment controlling the means of production. There is no such defintion that relates to "people controlling everything". Clearly you don't know what it means.
That's not socialism, learn the term before repeating it to be something it is not. Or is Webster's Dictionary "racist" too for contradicting your "superior intellect?
@dalmatian847 You didn't provide me with shit, I've been well aware of what Socialism means since before you ever heard the word. The people ARE the government, socialism is NOT a distant "government" controlling things, it is the WORKERS controlling the means of production. I am a socialist, jackass, I know perfectly well what it means, I suspect you'd rather burn the works of Marx than to have actually READ them.
@PrisonerNumber9653 "Public school success stories" need to brush up on the meanings of words and not make shit up to justify their narrow world view. Socialism entails the government owning the means of production. Given the fact that King was leery of the government in it's current capacity, I doubt he wanted to give the government even more power. That same government was leery of him as both Kennedy and Johnson had the FBI spying on him until his death. Liberal fascism at it's finest.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Seeing both Kennedy's and LBJ through the passing of The Great Society are LIBERAL icons, if the shoe fits, wear it. Let me guess, the weren't Democrats? Again, reading is fundamental, except when you're a troll. I didn't say Hoover was a liberal. His bosses however were and they gave the orders. I know, those damn "racist" facts making you look foolish again. Maybe one day , under Obama we can wipe out the scourge of facts for good! It worked for Lenin after all.
@dalmatian847 Neither Kennedy nor LBJ were truly liberal, and damn well were NOT liberal icons. Yes, they were Democrats, and at a time when the Party was more liberal than it is now. One need only look at 1968 to see how preposterous the idea that Johnson was a liberal is.
Troll? Yeah, you can cram that one up your ass, too. Trolls say things they do not believe in order to elicit a response. I've never done this, and never well. Hoover's "bosses" weren't liberal, and he didn't follow them.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Go check out the black unemployment numbers in Detroit, Chicago, or L.A where "the hard right" hasn't been in power in nearly 100 years. How's the unemployment rate among blacks in those Chicago neighborhood's that Obama "organized"? You are a cartoon character, Is this really Huey from "Boondocks?" Honestly, you can't be serious with posting tripe like this that is SO easily proven wrong by cold hard facts. But do keep trying.
@dalmatian847 The idea that liberals caused unemployment in the cities is preposterous, of course. It's CONSERVATIVE policies that have caused that. White flight, corporate greed, are those liberal policies?
The racist attacks on Obama's community organizing experience are truly nauseating. It was not only relevant experience (far more than President Bush II had) but was admirable work.
It says a lot that you think anyone who supports racial justice and equality is from the cartoons.
@PrisonerNumber9653. I'll tell you what, why don't you pick a liberal success story. Tell me what municipality under one party Democratic control for a large amount of time is prospering? It's not Chicago. I can vouch for that personally. Explain what conservative policies have caused unemployment and poverty in the cities? There is nothing racist about facts. The communities Obama "organized" are in as worse a shape if not more worse after being touched by "The One".
@dalmatian847 Public education is a success story. Public health and research. Scientific research. There are PLENTY of others. NO municipality is "under one party control," the budgets come from STATE legislatures, full of racist Republicans who won't spend a PENNY on those "urbans". I've watched it first hand in Oklahoma and Missouri legislatures. They'd not spend a dime on KC or St. Louis if they could get away with it. Your "facts" (bullshit) are racist. And what's this "The One" shit?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh course it is. I see the the "success" of that public education in every ill-informed rant you post on here. Too stupid to be believed. The majority of the money to pay for those "successful public schools" come from local property taxes, NOT the state elegislature, which btw , in IL is also controlled by the Democratic Party. I can't speak for Oklahoma or Missouri, but I'm pretty sure that in nationwie. Oh, and my comments are about as racist as yours are intelligent.
@PrisonerNumber9653 We're the ones we've been waiting for" Barack Obama 2008. You can address your complaints to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington D.C. Oprah Winfrey : "For the very first time in my life, I feel compelled to stand up and to speak out for the man who I believe has a new vision for America," and told the audience of 15,000 said, "I am here to tell you, Iowa, he is the one. He is the one!"
I'm not sure where Ms Winfrey is now, google her failing network OWN to get that address.
And she said he is the one for whom she is excited.
Oh, fuck it, you have no interest in honesty whatsoever, sleazy gutter politics is all you can manage, and if you dropped that idiotic "the one" shit, you'd just replace it with some other equally mindless attack.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You asked me a question. I answered it for you. There is nothing either sleazy, nor gutter about facts. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson's character, Col. Nathan Jessup in "A Few Good Men", YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
@PrisonerNumber9653 I call bullshit. Show me what I've said that was untrue or racist in nature? You should have no problems, as I have handed you your ass on silver plateer during many a discussion on this thread.
@dalmatian847 It's been shown, over and over, both untrue and racist. Repeatedly. You've not "handed me my ass", you've repeated ridiculous lies. And I've revealed them to be just that, lies.
@PrisonerNumber9653 One more time for the fact challenged eugenicist's dream. What did I say that was either a)untrue and b) racist? Examples? Oh right, you don't need to provide any because you are intellectually superior. I'm the dolt who actually cites my sources. You went to public school, where that kind of stuff was frowned upon in favor of learning how to tie your shoelaces which put you on the honor roll in 12 th grade.
@dalmatian847 You've had MANY lies pointed out and MUCH racism pointed out. I'll look through the most recent posts to see if you've started citing sources, they've been asked for before, to no response.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Excessive taxation and unionization is what caused the jobs to leave Detroit and Chicago. Are those generally Conservative policies? Poor public schools are what mainly caused"white flight" to the suburbs, Chicago's public schools are a disgrace with nearly 70 years of uninterrupted Democratic Party control of the levers of power. . Are conservatives generally big supporters of teachers unions who balk at any attempt at reform?
@dalmatian847 Horseshit. Do you even ATTEMPT to learn truth? Or do you just parrot Rush Limbaugh lies? The jobs left because of GREED, taxes on corporations are pathetically LOW, unions prevent unsafe conditions and slave wages.
White flight had ZERO to do about "poor public schools", it was about RACISM. 100%. NOTHING else.
Chicago's schools are a "disgrace" because of underfunding and poverty. The Democratics don't "control" that, and it's the vilest of LIES to say teachers oppose reform.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not the one parroting here, genius. Every assinnie comment of yours is straight out of a Moveon.org talking point booklet. Blah, blah, evil whites, Blah blah, greedy corporations, blah blah, Bush's fault. Here's a tip a for you ,"Mr. public school success". People don't open up businesses so your lame ass can have a job. If you can't make money, there is no point to it. We are not a nation built by non-profit organizations. And yeah, schools do make a difference.
@dalmatian847 Horseshit. I've never read moveon in my life. You think corporate greed is "blah blah"?
It's hysterical hypocrisy, you say give the rich tax cuts, then there'll be more jobs, then you say "you think they open businesses to give you a job??"
No, they open businesses to make profit, that's their only interest. And that we support this, think it's GOOD, is disgusting.
We ARE a nation built on non-profit organizations. Without our schools, we crumble.
@PrisonerNumber9653 It's called making as PROFIT. It's the reason you put your ass on the line to start a business. What you don't start a business for is to provide assclowns like yourself a job. Without PROFITS, you don't have a job, chief. Unless of course you work for the government, then you just run up massive debt and blame it on the Tea Party.
@dalmatian847 And, AGAIN, we heard this bilge that we should give every break imaginable to the wealthy because they "create jobs", NOW you turn around and say the only reason for business is "profit." That's true, and it's why we should STOP sucking up to business, and start realizing it is the cause of much of our problems.
The tea party isn't the cause of the debt, they're just refusing to responsibly deal with it. We have debt because taxes are far, far too low on the wealthy (and the wars)
@PrisonerNumber9653 You haven't said one word that is true. What "common decency" have you exhibited? What have you said that was true. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Try backing up your opinion with even a shred of FACT and then maybe we can talk. You have exhibited yourself to be a one -legged man in an ass-kicking contest. Here's some common decency of yours..."You're an idiot. We're not even vaguely CLOSE to broke." We just got downgraded by S&P for the first time EVER!!!
@dalmatian847 Nothing I've said is untrue. Fighting against racism and greed is decency. I don't give "opinions" I give facts.
We are NOT close to broke, we are the wealthiest nation in WORLD HISTORY' We were downgraded because of the irresponsible flighty maniacs the GOP has sent to Congress.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I don't need to. REALITY proves your words to be hollow (much like your head). L/A Times :Reporting from Washington— Standard & Poor's downgraded the U.S. government's credit rating Friday for the first time in history, saying the recent plan worked out to raise the federal debt ceiling "falls short" of what's needed to stabilize the nation's longer-term finances.
But we're "not broke", right? We didn't get downgraded in 8 yrs of Bush, but not even 3 under Obama.
I think this has been blown way out of proportion....
rrr223 1 month ago
I think this I think Ken is going to be a much richer man for it, but really people calling this a beating ...when you get up and walk away its just a fight... a beating requires a stretcher
rrr223 1 month ago
Ah If a African American strays from the liberal democrat plantation he gets beaten that's pretty fucked up
CrazyBB36 2 months ago
SEIU=Barack Obama's thugs!
CubsFanJohn 3 months ago
hahaha teabaggers
viktorius89 1 year ago
i missed the action I guess
missjigglypuff5 2 years ago
Haha there was no attack, and that black guy didnt even have a health care,
what a moron...
zacky89 2 years ago
You're a fucking idiot. Just because you think someone doesn't have healthcare then they deserved to get assaulted? What kind of fascist shitbasket are you? Don't pretend like you care for the 47 million people without HC. Or should they get beaten up too?
You're a Liberal Fascist.
And he does have healthcare, you're just too stupid and indoctrinated to know that.
thomaserossi 2 years ago
Ironically, this guy who claims to have been beaten up has no health care coverage ... I don't see thugs here - rather just a gaggle of middle-aged, rather overweight ideologues falling over themselves, tripping all around each other after falling. It's kinda comical, really. Fox news reports this crap, yet won't mention the "thugs" bused in by Dick Armey's wingnut organization with the sole purpose of disrupting Democratic town halls.
gbr1960 2 years ago
Still waiting for Obama to say his jack booted union thugs "acted stupidly" by attacking that black man exercising his
1st amendment right.
Then again, seeing the thugs were there at Obama's request, there won't be a likely beer summit in the near future.
dalmatian847 2 years ago 3
@dalmatian847 It won't happen, because that's not what happened at all. Of course, Obama cowardly took back his comment about the cop acting stupidly, even though he DID, and when a guy is being harrassed by cops IN HIS OWN LIVING ROOM and the president buys him a damn beer, we see that black president or not, we're going to get VERY little forward progress on racial justice with Barack Obama. See also, throwing Van Jones under the bus.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh no? What did you see out of this video and the subsequent criminal charges filed against these two SEIU scumbags that I missed? I'll tell you what would happen to me(a white man) if I smarted off in Chicago to a cop who recieved a call of an attempted break-in. I'd have gotten tuned up and deserved it. The cops don't have time to deal with the bullshit of some guy with a chip on his shoulder refusing to produce I.D. Maybe Professor Gates "acted stupidly" How about that?.
dalmatian847 7 months ago
@dalmatian847 I saw the ENTIRE video, not just this conveniently edited version, and talked with several eye-witnesses. This LIE that the union people attacked him has ZERO truth. Filing of criminal charges was a joke, the charges will be dropped if they haven't already.
The vomitous LIE that you "deserve" to get "tuned up" (meaning tortured) for not kissing up to the cops is as unAmerican as it gets. What part of "Free speech" is confusing to you? A pig who does that belongs in a cage.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 " I'm guessing by your moniker that you've spent some time in the American Penal system and like everyone else, you were completely not guilty. Here's the deal, when a cop asks you for I.D, and you get beligerent, you get put in cuffs until such time as they can verify who you are. It's not freedom of speech to disobey a police officer asking for i.d while finding you at a 911 call reporting a break-in. What part of that isn't registering?
dalmatian847 6 months ago
@dalmatian847 You'd guess wrong, you must have slept through history class. When you have ALREADY PROVEN YOU ARE IN YOUR OWN HOUSE and the cop STILL harasses you, one has every RIGHT to be angry about it. You've obviously lived in a happy little white fantasy world where cops NEVER harass anyone unfairly, and your little horseshit of "just do exactly as the officer tells you and nothing could go wrong" seems true.
It isn't.
What IS registering is your racism and ignorance.
PrisonerNumber9653 6 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I must have slept through history class? Really? Why don't you enlighten me as to where I'm wrong? DUMBASS, HE DID NOT PROVE HE WAS IN HIS OWN HOUSE. That was the whole point. The cops asked for I.D, he refused to provide it and acted in a "stupid" manner. You'd be wrong in guessing what sort of life I have lived. So tell me about black on black crime, homey. Or is that considered too"racist" to bring up?
dalmatian847 6 months ago
@dalmatian847 Gates did NOT "act stupidly". Nor did the pig. He acted criminally. Racist harassment of someone after they've PROVEN they are in their own house is despicable, a violation of his civil rights, and the idea that GATES did something wrong is fascism. you belong in the Taliban, not the US. "Do what authorities tell you, no matter if it's right or wrong, even in your own house". That is NOT America.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 ZZZZZZZ, really, you got anything better than that. Shoulding you be attending a "Free Mumia" rally or something? One more time for Obama's bowling partner, A COP RESPONDING TO A 911 CALL ABOUT A POSSIBLE B&E HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND I.D WITHOUT GETTING A BELIGERENT RESPONSE FROM AN "INTELLECTUAL" with a chip on his shoulder about a cop having the unmitigated gall to verify that he in fact, lived there. Get your facts straight. Obama is an idiot for commentiing on it at all.
dalmatian847 6 months ago
@dalmatian847 Hilarious. You aren't happy enough with cops harassing someone in his own living room for being black, when a racist court can put someone on death row in a fraudulent trial, MUCH better.
No, asshole, a cop does NOT have the right to harass someone AFTER HE'S ALREADY PROVEN HE IS IN HIS OWN HOUSE.
"Intellectual"? You're saying a Harvard professor can't be intellectual if he's black? Obama wasn't an idiot for telling the truth, he was a coward for not demanding justice.
PrisonerNumber9653 6 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 No what's hilarious is you continuing to have an issue with cops doing their job when even Obama admitted there was nothing racial about his pompous ass friend getting arrested for being beligerent towards police. Remember Obama's idiotic "beer summit"? He made himself out to be a bigger foll that Gates on that one.. You really should be more concerned about the rise in black unemployment since Obama took over. His policies are keeping the black man down!
dalmatian847 6 months ago
@dalmatian847 This cop was NOT doing his job. Gates has ALREADY PROVEN HE WAS IN HIS OWN HOUSE and still the harassment continued. That's NOT the job of the police, and if you think white people are treated like that in anywhere CLOSE to the same numbers, you're off your rocker. Obama didn't "admit" there was nothing racial, it was a LIE he barfed for his own cowardly political gamesmanship. The cop should have been FIRED, but chickenshit Obama cares more about his future than racial justice.
PrisonerNumber9653 6 months ago
@dalmatian847 you bet I remember the "beer summit", and yes, it was idiotic, he rewarded a cop who should have at least been reprimanded if not fired.
Gates a "fool"? For standing up for his own rights in his own house? What a racist dick you are. Again, this idea that people should just do whatever Officer Friendly says no matter what doesn't exist in black America, where police brutality and injustice is a fact of life.
Black unemployment is up because of GOP cuts to public service programs.
PrisonerNumber9653 6 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Clearly reading is a skill you lack,. Gates was acting like a clown, followed a cop OUTSIDE his house into the public and continued to cause a scene. That's called disorderly conduct. He obviously had a chip on his shoulder. He's lucky they ddn't tase his stupid ass.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Bullshit. Gates was acting like an AMERICAN. A pig was harassing him after he'd PROVEN HE WAS IN HIS OWN HOME. What part of "freedom" don't you get? Are we now a fascist nation, where if authority figure comes into your home you say "yes, sir, whatever you want"?
The COP caused the scene with his inexcusable behavior.
Shove "chip on your shoulder" up your ass, blacks in America have been given REASON to defend their freedom with centuries of racism and oppression.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 That you think tasing someone for being outraged at this injustice is appropriate shows that, indeed, you wish it WERE a fascist nation. Incredible. Those fucking things should be banned, for one thing. For another, this is AMERICA and the first amendment says you don't get attacked with a deadly weapon by a cop for SPEAKING.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, I think being Gates not being tased for acting like a belligerent jerkoff after being warned by the cop to back off shows me we are NOT a fascist nation. The first amendment has limitations, and acting belligerent towards a peace officer is one of those. He's lucky he didn't get tased. It took incredible restraint on the part of the officer, or "pig" as you referred to him as you lecture me about "common decency". Spare me your bullshit and rank hypocrisy.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 So, you think blacks should just give cops a "Yessuh, massah" and not talk back? You truly ARE KKK. The cop telling him to "back off" can go FUCK himself, this is NOT a fascist nation, people have freedom of speech, racist shit ALWAYS calls blacks "beligerent" for standing up for their rights, surprised you didn't call him "Uppity".
He's lucky he wasn't attacked with a deadly weapon for SPEAKING? There was no "restraint" from this cop, just racist harassment, that's indecent.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, I think blacks like EVERYONE else shouldn't act beligerently towards law enforcement. When they do, they should be prepared to suffer the consequences of their own stupidity , rather than blame it on racism. So just STFU and deal with the fact that when you act like an idiot towards law enforcement, you should expected to be treated as such.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 And you may go fuck yourself. I will Goddamn well act beligerently towards pigs if they're harassing me in my own home without cause. This is NOT a fascist nation where you just bend over for anyone with a uniform. Cops can and often do MAKE MISTAKES, and to say you just say "Yessuh massah" whenever a cop says jump is as unamerican and anti-freedom as it gets. Gates is a Harvard professor and you call him "stupid" for not kissing the cops' asses?
The COP (and Obama) were the idiot
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Obama's programs aren't "keeping the black man down", you lying racist hypocrite. You'd LOVE it if they were, but it's the RIGHT causing the employment problems. Employment has INCREASED in the private sector since Obama took office in spite of the lingering affects of the Bush recession. But GOP-led governments are making massive cuts to state and local programs, not only increasing suffering of the needy, but sending THOUSANDS of good public servants to the unemployment line.
PrisonerNumber9653 6 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh no? So tell me why BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT has skyrocketed during the Obama regime at a much higfher rate that for whites? Wait, don't tell me. It's those racist employers trying to make Obama look bad, right "Racist hypocrite"? Spoken by someone whose every card is the "race card" in the entire 52 card deck. Do you have a intelligent point to make anywhere in that mush called your brain? You are fucking boring me to death. What a joke.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 There is no such thing as a "race card", it's a vile and racist term implying racism doesn't exist.
Yes, I'm sure human decency "bores" racist scumbags. When the hard right no longer controls state and local governments, you'll see unemployment drop.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh no? Not only does it exist, it's all street hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson can play with. It doesn't imply racism doesn't exist, what it implies is a weak ass argument. The reason blacks are worse offf under Obama's policies must mean it's because Obama';s racist. Is that about right? Because while the black unemployment rate was LOWER under Bush than under Obama and even Clinton. It was because Bush "didn't care about black folks". How's "The One" working out?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 The sickest, most racist of lies. Civil rights leaders following in the footsteps of King and Farmer are NOT "street hustlers." It God damn well DOES imply racism doesn't exist, that civil rights leaders just make it up. Obama has NOT made blacks worse off, Republicans HAVE. You CONTINUE to babble about the unemployment rate, IGNORING that it's the REPUBLICANS who've caused it to drop.
President Obama's working out far better than McCain would have, but leaves a lot to be desired.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
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dalmatian847 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Tell me what footsteps of Dr. King's is Al and Jesse following exactly? I don't recall Dr. King being a big advocate for abortion. Something that affects the black community disproportionately to the point of self-genocide. I don't recall one speech of Dr. King's asking for handouts or reparations. Dr. King was about self discipline and self control, neither of which is espoused by those clowns. BTW, as I write this, the U.S has been downgraded by S&P first time in history.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 There's NOTHING today's civil rights leadership supports that was NOT supported by King. NOBODY is an advocate for abortion, King was strongly Pro-Choice, and the hard right is now attacking King's friend Margaret Sanger as a "racist" to try to defund Planned Parenthood. It's a vile LIE to call CHOICE "genocide".
King asked for reparations OVER AND OVER, and in spite of your horseshit calling it "handouts" he called for a GREAT increase in spending to help the poor.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Margeret Sanger was a vile human being and a strong proponent of eugenics. Now being the public school success you have demonstrated yourself to be, you know nothing about the term.
Let me educate you. "Eugenicists strongly espoused racial supremacy and “purity,” particularly of the “Aryan” race.. They sought to contain the “inferior” races through segregation, sterilization, birth control and abortion." You were saying?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Flat out sick LIES. Sanger was an outstanding person who was NOT a proponent of eugenics AT ALL. I know very well about the term, and about the anti-choice radicals now FALSELY accusing Sanger of eugenics, in order to justify their despicable attacks on Planned Parenthood and reproductive choice.
That quote is NOT from Margaret Sanger, and does NOT describe her in the SLIGHTEST. She supported choice to HELP black families, not "control" them. WEB DuBois and MLK AGREED with her.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh it's not? Then she must have been misqouted in her own book then. In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to:
Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race...
Yeah, that's REAL outstanding. No wonder you think Jackson and Sharpton are worthy successor's to Dr. King's leagacy.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 She was saying people with DISEASES shouldn't immigrate, NOT that people of certain RACES shouldn't.
Please explain why WEB DuBois and Martin Luther King befriended and supported the work of this supposed "racist".
I don't think Jesse Jackson is a worthy successor to King's legacy, KING did. Jesse was standing right next to him when he died.
It's a sleazy stunt saying "Jackson and Sharpton" as if they were one person, trying to smear Jackson with some of Sharpton's weirdness.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Clearly you have a reading disability. She includes certain RACES in her comment. I suggest you get yourself a Hooked on Phonics program instead of the latest Air Jordan's like Dr. Bill Cosby suggested. There is no evidence King and Sanger were "good friends", however there is plenty of evidence Sanger and Hitler were chummy and both were followers of eugenics. That you managed to omit in your praise of Sanger, didn't you? Guess you know Sanger as much as King did
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 I read just fine, moron. There is NOTHING remotely racist or supportive of eugenics in her writings. There damn well IS evidence she was a friend of, and her work supported by, Dr. King. But, you've already proven you don't know jack shit about MLK.
There is ZERO evidence she was "chummy" with Hitler. You're obviously taking the LIES of hate groups and pretending that's "evidence". I "omitted" it because it's a despicable lie.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You might "read" just fine, but you clearlt have a problem with comprehension. I'm sure you could"Read" what's in a basic medical textbook, yet fail to understand anything that you have read. See, comprehension is really the most important part of reading. Of course, being the "public school success" I wouldn't expect otherwise. Otherwise, you wouldn't make a statement that Sanger didn't believe in eugenics despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 There is not "evidence to the contrary" there are a great number of CLAIMS to the contrary.
The actual EVIDENCE, her own writings, prove YOU are lying.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I qoute HER OWN WRITINGS directly, you provide nothing to the contrary. You lose and you suck. May God have mercy on your soul because he's not done your brain any favors lately.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Liar, you did NOT quote her own writings directly, you quoted LIES about her directly, claiming she said things SHE DID NOT SAY.
And the blasphemy of saying God should "have mercy on my soul" because I blow up your sick lies is truly vile. It doesn't require brains for you to quote hate groups, any moron can do it. What takes brains is reading the books themselves, and learning that indeed she did NOT say what hate groups claim she did.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 The first quote is a lie. It was published in a REVIEW of an article by Sanger. She never said it.
The second quote is a lie. It was said by Dr. Edward Kampf, and is taken entirely out of context, an intentional perversion of its meaning. She referred to the quote, meaning in "thoroughbreds" people who were loved and had economic opportunity. It had ZERO to do with race.
The final quote is a bald-faced lie, published first in an ANONYMOUS flyer from a rabid anti-choice group.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Influenced strongly by both the eugenics movement and the progressive welfare programs of the New Deal era, the Negro Project was, from the start, largely indifferent to the needs of the black community and constructed in terms and with perceptions that today smack of racism..The Sanger Papers Project , NYU . Is NYU a "hate group" in your opinion?
She met Hitler as many times as "good friend"(your words, not mine) MLK. That would be ZERO.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Of course she was influenced by the New Deal, as every decent human being of the era would be, with the exception of the MILLIONS who thought it was far too little. She wasn't influenced in the SLIGHTEST by the eugenics "movement". The claim that the "Negro project" which was FULLY SUPPORTED by WEB DuBois was "indifferent to the needs of the black community" is horseshit.
What is your source for your LIES about Hitler? Where are you getting this, ahem, "information"?
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Except Hitler wasn't much into the New Deal, but they really clicked with eugenics. This information was from the Marger Sanger Project website from NYU. You can takre it up with those "right-wing haters" in Greenwich Village. Then WEB is a MORON. It's as simple as that! There used to be a term for communist sympathizers in the West. Lenin coined then "useful idiots". DuBois was a useful idiot for a clandestine movement that wiped out more blacks that the KKK could dream of.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Liar. Sanger was NOT in league with Hitler.
"Communist sympathizers" is the radical right's term for anyone who gave...for that matter, gives...a shit about the needy. Lenin didn't coin the phrase, and to think you're more intelligent and know more about what's best for African-Americans than WEB DuBois shows YOU to be the useful idiot, a tool of hate groups without the foggiest notion what the fuck you're talking about.
All so you bigots can put women back into the kitchen.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 What LIES about Hitler are you refering to? That he was influenced by eugenics? Try the Simon Weisenthal Center for Holocaust studies, or is that too "right-wing" for you?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 I didn't say that, of course, but you never will stop lying.
It was, and is a LIE to claim Sanger supported Hitler in any way whatsoever.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Of course they were. Nothing but lies. Eugenics supported by Sanger had NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. It's just coincidence that her abortion clinics were put in poor black neighborhoods and black babies have been disproportionarely aborted, Pure coincidence.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Sanger didn't support eugenics AT ALL. It's a lie.
There is no such thing as an abortion clinic. Women's health clinics which provide comprehensive health services including abortion are in the neighborhoods where they're most needed. NO baby has been aborted, the hard right uses improper language like calling an embryo a "baby" because the anti-choice movement rests on hysterics and emotion, not fact, and this new racist twist is just part of that.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 .Do yourself a favor and actually research Sanger . She published such articles as "Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics" (June 1920), "The Eugenic Conscience" (February 1921), "The purpose of Eugenics" (December 1924), "Birth Control and Positive Eugenics" (July 1925), "Birth Control: The True Eugenics" (August 1928), and many others.
See you have an opinion, I have an opinion. However I back up my opinions with FACTs. You, Mr "public education success" do not.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 I have, a great deal. I've known of her for years, have read her books and writings. She did not EVER advocate eugenics. A journal she helped PUBLISH ran those articles, written by OTHER PEOPLE. It was dedicated to discussion of important issues, providing a VARIETY of views on them.
I do not have an opinion, I have facts. You have cut and paste from hate groups.
And shove your final line right up your ass. The right's attacks on education are your single most immoral act.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Then I can only guess you're either an idiot or a liar. A simple Google search will verify she was not only a follow of eugenics but also much closer of a friend to Adolph Hitler than M.L King. Tell me would "Feminists For Choice" be one of those "hate groups"? From Choice Chat, a discussion with feminist Gloria Feldt"Feldt herself recognizes Sanger’s involvement with eugenics as “the most difficult stain” to remove from Sanger’s legacy". You were saying?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 It's insane the number of ignorant fools who tell me "Just Google this!"
Yes, just google it, and you will find plenty of hate groups CLAIMING she supported eugenics. I've actually read her writings, and those of people who really knew her.
She LOATHED Hitler, hated him.
What Feldt SHOULD have said was "the rumors are a difficult stain", sadly these LIES are so widespread even people like her aren't aware they're untrue, spread by the sort of liar who claims she liked Hitler.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes, it's insane to actually ask you to LEARN about something before posting nonsense as fact. How stupid to even suggest you look up the meaning of a word before writing a rant that demonstrates you haven't the slightest clue about it's meaning. I provided you a pro-choice website that ACKNOWLEDGES the eugencist claims are legitimate, but you being the "public school success" don't feel any need to further educate yourself on facts. Yet, I'm the "ignorant fool". Gotcha.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 I have never posted "nonsense as fact".
You provided a site that CLAIMS it is legitimate, and I explained it. This lie is very widespread, ONE PERSON in the pro-choice movement who hasn't yet learned it's a fraud doesn't magically make it true.
I am VERY well educated on this topic, both in Sangers writings, AND in the sinister attempts by racist anti-choice thugs to MAKE UP these lies in order to try to steal the right to choose from black and other women.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 She shared a common philosophy with Hitler. That of a master race that could be created by eugenics . She only disagreed that his tactivs went too far. She had no problems with institionalizing "undesirables" , or killing them BEFORE birth, Like the coward she was, didn't have the stomach for murdering them afterwards. They might be able to fight back then, like Jews did in the Warsaw ghetto uprising .
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Still the sickest, most vile and abusive of lies. She shared NO common philosophy AT ALL with Hitler. She LOATHED the Nazis. She did NOT think their methods "went too far," she hated everything they stood for.
Calling her a coward, while you promote vicious lies, is the ultimate in hypocrisy. Slurring the name of an American hero, dead so she cannot correct your falsehoods, all in the name of stripping women of equality is as cowardly as can be.
Abortion is NOT "murder".
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Hahahaha! You are too predictable. They both supported eugenics as a means of getting rid of the undesirables, the mentally ill, the morons. Little did Sanger know that had she succeeded, she'd have deprived the Democratic Party of it's largest voting bloc.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Absolute bald-faced lies. Sanger did NOT support eugenics, did NOT support "getting rid of undesirables" NOR did she view black people in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER as "undesirable." Her support of reproductive choice for women HELPED those women and those families tremendously, it had NOTHING to do with "getting rid of undesirables."
Blacks are not a "voting bloc", they're human beings, Democrats support equality because it's the right thing to do, not to get votes.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You really need to see someone about that reading disability you have. Read the post S L O W L Y and C A R E F U L L Y. I didn;t say abortion was murder. You must have been a whiz on your SAT, or is that one of them there racist exams that don't take into account proficiency in ebonics?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Sanger DID support eugenics. There is no denial of this even from her suppoters,. Only that it was a sort of "kinder,gentler" eugenics, “The great irony is that abortion has done what the Klan only dreamed of.” Dr Alveda King, neice of Martin Luther King Jr. Where is she wrong in her thinking?
See added, “15 million black people have been denied their most basic civil right, the right to life. Roughly one quarter of the black population is now missing.” Is she a racist?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Actually there is, you're just not seeing it. It's a sad fact that this falsehood's been around so widely that even supporters think it's true.
Alveda King has her right to her own opinion. Unfortunately, she has sullied Martin Luther King's name by taking his reputation and running it through the mud, using his name to spread bigotry and lies. Her thinking is the most vile of trash, the right to choose has been a Godsend for millions of black women. The Klan never helped anyone.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, it's been a Godsend for the Klan who couldn't kill anywhere near as many blacks as are voluntarily aborted. Is there any reason why the Democratic party is abandoning you for hispanics? The tend not to abort their babies,. They can grow up to campaign and vote for them. How about those aborted black children? So if you tow the "masser's" line, even when that includes justifying aborting 15 million black babies., you're a sell-out? How pathetic must your life be?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Despicable racist lies. There's nothing REMOTELY racist or "Klan" about reproductive choice. The Democratic Party is not "abandoning" anyone, they've supported equality for African-Americans AND Latinos for a long time (not nearly as strongly as they should)
My life's not remotely "pathetic," a life lived in service to others instead of just money-grubbing or even worse fighting AGAINST justice and equality has achieved the purpose for which God gave us life in the first place.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Of course, you are much more brighter than Sanger's supporters, biographer, and archivists. You should tell them all to STFU because you're a "public school success" and have your GED to prove it.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 No, moron, I do not claim to be so. I AM one of Sanger's supporters, have read her biography, and her papers and archives. You obviously have not. I don't need to tell them to shut up, because they KNOW she was not racist, nor did she support eugenics.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 No, she's not racist, but she IS playing into a sick, racist meme, trying to pretend that the right to choose is somehow "racist" or bad for black people. She has every right to tell them that it's bad for blacks and to discourage blacks from having abortions. That is NOT what she's doing, she's trying to rob from black women, from ALL women the right to CHOOSE for themselves. The idea that blacks, or anyone, would be better off with millions more unwanted children is vomit.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Let's see. Blacks excercising the right to choose to stay a permanent minority in this country is to who's benefit again? Mull that one over.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Their being a "minority" or not has NOTHING to do with this at all. There's a lot that morally repugnant about trying to rob women, especially black women, of the right to choose and this vile stunt of saying "have lots more children you cannot afford to care for, and for whom we will not provide decent living conditions or educational opportunity, so there will be more black votes" is among the sleaziest of them all.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You've known her for years? She died in 1966. Are you doing seances? Put thast on your resume, you might have a shot at the Secretary of State gig, if Hillary resigns. Those are direct qoutes from HER writings,. Let me guess, she was mis-qouted in her autobiography? Oh right, it's the "right" who deny poor black kids the ability to leave dangerous unperforming schools by denying them vouchers. Got it. No wonder you're such a "public school success". Go fuck yourself.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 NO, asshole, they are NOT direct quotes from her writings. Do you REALLY have her autobiography there in front of you?
We both know you don't. You have the website of a hate group CLAIMING it says this in the books. IT DOES NOT.
I didn't say I knew her, moron. I said I knew OF her.
Vouchers are a scheme to give tax breaks to the rich and public funding to right wing academies, they do NOT benefit the poor, black or white. Schools are underperforming because they're underfunded.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people. The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race
(Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Absolute lies. Those words are NOT found in any of Sanger's writings. Now you see why I ask for your source for these quotes, it's obviously a hate group, and you have NOT found them in a reading of Sanger's books and papers.
I have read her books, and her papers, and she was NOT a racist, nor did she support eugenics.
It would be foul to attack someone in this way for any reason, that it's being done to strip not just women but specifically black women of their rights is immoral
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 King did not ask for reparations OVER AND OVER. You however have shown a propensity to lie OVER AND OVER though.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 King was a strong proponent of reparations.
You've yet to provide ONE WORD that I've said that was a "lie". You just pretend the FACTS I'm bringing are "lies" because the radical right hate groups whose bilge you swallow told you to.
This is Limbaugh's America. The hard right's told people for so long not to believe credible sources, that the mainstream media is "biased," that education and history and science are "biased," that ONLY right wing hate radio tells the truth.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 King never mentioned reparations ONCE. Odd for someone you claim was a strong proponent to never publicly mention reparations by name. I guess you know more about King and Sanger than even King and Sanger did. Once again,. is the Library of Congress "biased", or just not credible? Tell me, did you ever experience a day when you said to yourself, "obviously this isn't working out for me" and try a different approach like , thinking critically for a change? You might like it.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Well, you just proved you never read King. He mentioned them several times, he did so in the book "Why we can't wait" and in the "I have a dream" speech.
I have always thought critically...including seeing through the lies of bigots like you, who think the ability to parrot the lies of hate groups, even those who SEEM to have factual accuracy.
To claim King opposed reparations and affirmative action is a bald-faced lie, as is the claim that Sanger was "racist" in any way at all
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 in King's day, he harshly criticized this despicable bullshit that poverty was about lack of "self-discipline" or "self-control", that has NOTHING to do with it. Poverty is about greed and inequality, which exist today. King was a socialist, and you want to pretend he was one of these selfish right wing assholes shouting "Get a job!" at the victims of poverty? You really have never read one word he said. This "respect" for King from the right is vomit, we he alive you'd HATE him.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Really? Then why don't you demonstate the "public education success story" you are by posting those qoutes where Dr. King thought it was a good idea to have as many children as possible with as many woman as possible so you can collect welfare. I'm giuessing that speech wasn't as well known as "I had a dream".King voted Republican his entire life. He hated the Democrat Party and it's terrorist wing, the KKK. This is the party you blindly are obedient to today. Your "massah".
dalmatian847 5 months ago
Dr King wanted EQUAL TREATMENT, not special treatment for blacks. He'd be horrified at where scumbags like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have taken his people. Tell my why is it 50 years after The Great Society, that life is worse for blacks in America despite affirmative action and all the freebies of governent?
BTW, LBJ famously said of welfare "this will give us the n....r vote for the next 200 years". Was he wrong in that assessment? I think not.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education Dr. M.L King. Does public education do this? You've proven an uncanny inability to think critically . Instead you just rehash the same old bullshit that's been spoon-fed to you. Tell me, if public education is so successful, why are there so many poor black kids trying to get into private schools via the voucher program?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
See that's where your wrong. If King we alive today, there is no doubt the plight of blacks would have been different and far more towards his vision for America. "Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable... Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals." MLK Hmmm, sacrifice? How does that jibe with the "it's all the fault of racism" garbage his "successors" spew?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Actually there's massive doubt. There are civil rights leaders asking for the exact same things and getting beaten down, just as King was.
They are not "successors" they are successors, and the LIE that the steps towards justice call for the "sacrifice" of BLAMING POVERTY ON THE VICTIMS.
He meant the sacrifice, to fight for a more just and equal society for ALL PEOPLE, not make yourself rich and ignore the plight of others.
You're trying to paint a socialist as a conservative.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Massive doubt about what? Obama's policies? He's got a 91% approval rating in the b;ack community who has suffered the most disproprtionately out of all the groups. Dr King got his doctorate in what again? His occopation was what again? Is the Bible liberal or conservative? Think about that for a second.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Because blacks KNOW they are NOT worse off under Obama, no matter how much you try to cherry pick a couple of stats and cook up this lie.
King got a doctorate in theology from Boston University. He was a minister of the Lord Jesus Christ.
EVERY SINGLE THING that makes me liberal comes from following Jesus Christ. EVERY SINGLE THING.
The blasphemy of pretending it's someone "Christian" to support the greed and bigotry of extremist conservatism is an insult to God.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Really? So I guess all those Christian groups protesting the ending of innocent life in Sanger's "clinics" got it all wrong then? Why don't you provide some of those "Christian beliefs" in relation to abortion? Blacks do know they are worse off. However, they don't have the courage to express this. This is why scholars such as Bill Cosby or Thomas Sowell are looked down upon in that community. However, keeping the dirty laundry in- house doesn't change the stench one bit!
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 These anti-choice radicals are NOT just "Christians", plenty of Christians are pro-choice. And YES, harassing and intimidating women facing an incredibly difficult decision is absolutely wrong. I DO provide Christian beliefs in relation to abortion, which is "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you", I would NOT want these puritans OR the government telling me what I could or could not do with my own body.
Blacks are NOT worse off, that's shit.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 So tell me what part of the Gospels do these "pro-choice Christians" turn to to support there beleifs that abortion is totally justified within Christian faith? So how does "do unto others " relate to abortion exactly? Whether you'd care to admit or not, they are doing just that. They are hoping to stop someone from committing a mortal sin and those people would sincerely hope that someone would care enough about them to do the same.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." Were you pregnant, about to enter college, totally unable to afford a child and would lose a scholarship and never be able to attend college without an abortion, I have no right to tell you not to.
NO, the anti-choice radicals are NOT following "do unto others," they are violating it. NOBODY wants their rights taken away. It is not a "mortal sin", and if you think it is, YOU MAY CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE ONE.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Cosby is NOT "looked down on", he made really rotten comments and has been criticized for them (I do so right to his face)
Thomas Sowell is looked down on by ALL decent human beings. That he's black is merely an accident of birth, mostly he's rich and putting his own greed ahead of either racial justice or economic justice. His Darwinian economics would kill millions, all in the name of gred.
Keeping dirty laundry in? NONE of this was discussed in the media?
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 " Keeping dirty laundry in? NONE of this was discussed in the media?" You mean the same media who refuses to mention the race of a crime suspect that they encourge people to help find? That media? Tell me what was stupid about Cosby's comments, or for that matter his book "Wake Up People"!
Dr Sowell is looked down upon by ALL decent human beings? And you of course are the arbiter of what's considered decent, aren't you? Tell me what's "indecent" about him? Do you read him?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Dear God your racism is vile. The race of suspects is CONSTANTLY mentioned. Every single day.
Cosby's comments were idiotic because there was ZERO mention of racism, it was entirely about blaming the victim. And I told him so to his face.
YES, Sowell is looked down on by decent human beings. Putting greed ahead of human life is not decent. Saying it's great that people die by the tens of thousands so corporations can profit is not decent. I read him every single week.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 EVERY SINGLE THING ? Tell me where Jesus Christ thought human life was a "choice"? Was it John,Luke, Mark, or Matthew where he makes this revelation? I can't wait to hear this one!
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Jesus Christ never said a word about abortion. He DID tell us NOT to do unto others what we would NOT want done to us. Nobody wants their constitutional rights taken away. NOBODY wants government forcing them into medical decisions they do not want.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Name ONE thing that makes you "liberal" that comes from the New Testament.
Is it your compassion for the unborn? Your hatred of the police? (blessed are the peacemakers) What is it that's distinctly liberal that comes from Jesus Christ. ONE THING is all I ask for.
Then tell me again why it is that conservatives, and not liberals are more giving of their time and money to charity?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 EVERY SINGLE THING that makes me a liberal comes from Jesus Christ, from support for programs to help the poor, fighting for equality and justice, anti-war, protecting the environment.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice, for they will be filled.
Your phony "compassion for the unborn" disappears the minute a child is actually BORN, this is about inequality for women, not "compassion". This same "compassion for the unborn" had many opposing birth control.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 This claim that conservatives "give more to charity" couldn't be more meaningless. To give to "charity" while opposing what's REALLY needed, which is societal change so that we do NOT just give the poor our leftovers but make them truly equal is not an act of true charity at all. There are congressmen giving a few thousand bucks to charity, then fighting to take MILLIONS out of programs for needy children.
There's no policy that is liberal that's NOT supported by Christ.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Who's getting beaten down and their civil rights denied? Other than white victims of black "flash mobs" that is? Or the Black Panther's intimidating white voters in Philly in 2008. King would have been good with the thuggery, the drug abuse, the black children aborted or being raised by their granny? This is what he took a bullet for? You actually beleive this narrative?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Every black person in America. Blacks are unemployed more and get paid less for doing the same jobs. They are discriminated against in educational opportunity, and our so-called "justice" system and law enforcement are horribly racist.
The KKK bullshit about black mobs "intimidating" voters is pure lies. They were NOT black panthers, they are a tiny fringe group calling themselves "New Black Panthers" who have NOTHING to do with anyone. more
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Why is that? Especially in Obama's America with all theose "public school success stories" running around? Tell me if lack of education, prison record, or inability to hold a job should be criteria used by employers?
Once again, reading is a skill. I didn't say black mobs were intimidating voters. I said black mobs of "youths" were mugging people. You ought to look up dyslexia. There is therapy for that.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 The insane racism of Fox in showing that clip NONSTOP even though not a SINGLE white voter was kept from voting, after the massive disenfranchisement of black voters from Florida 2000 and Ohio 4 years later to intimidation of Hispanic voters in the southwest, the lynching of ACORN, and Jim Crow laws of banning PAST felons from voting FOR LIFE are all part of that.
King would have been against the poverty and desperation that leads to drug abuse, and was strongly pro choice.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I see, so now you are also the final arbiter of whether or not white voters were kept from voting? Interesting. Here I thought it was only Obama that had the God complex. Here's some FACTS. Those jack-booted clowns were found GUILTY of voter intimidation. Eric Holder's so-called "justice" department then drops the charges AFTER the verdict! Now, imagine if those clowns were wearing white sheets instead of black berets . You amuse me to no end.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 No, shit for brains, I am NOT the "arbiter", it's DOCUMENTED FACT. Not a SINGLE ONE of those people was prevented from voting.
NO, shit for brains, Obama does NOT have a "God complex."
Holder's department dropped the charges because there was nowhere NEAR the evidence for federal conviction. They were convicted on LOCAL charges, it was a LOCAL story blown up by racist Fox "News".
Racist whites don't have to wear sheets to keep blacks from voting, they're office holders now.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Sorry shit for brains. They were CONVICTED of voter intimidation. Of course. It was "racist" fox news. They weren't trying to intimidate anyone. Just like those boys with the sheets working for the good old Democratic patrty weren't trying to scare black folks off polling places since Reconstruction. No doubt O.J was framed by those racist cops too, wasn't he?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 And, AGAIN, not a SINGLE person was prevented from voting by the "New Black Panthers." They were convicted, probably rightfully, of LOCAL charges. This was never a national story, and federal charges were not appropriate, that's the only reason Holder threw it out.
That you think blacks are so stupid that these perverted stories about long past history is more important than current policy really is insulting.
I've never mentioned OJ, though LA cops racism is well-documented.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Where was this massive disenfranchisement of blacks in 2000? Please share this shocking reveleation that only apperently you know about. Do you have any idea how many states, both blue and red have gotten convictions for voter registration fraud tied to ACORN? Please, save the bullshit for someone who doesn't follow current events, i.e a fellow liberal. Tell me how it's possible that during the Mn Senate recount that MORE votes were counted than voters registered?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Florida. And it's not a "shocking revelation", it's very widely known in spite of the conservative media ignoring it. It was a major part of Bush's theft of the 2000 election. THOUSANDS of blacks were removed from voter roles by a racist secretary of state Katherine Harris.
Yes, I know how many votes were cast fraudulently tied to ACORN. The number is ZERO. Not a SINGLE vote was cast that shouldn't have been. NOBODY was prevented from voting who SHOULD have. ACORN was lynched.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 What conservative media was ignoring it. The New York Times? Washington Post? CNN? MSNBC? AirAmerica? NPR? Tell me which of these racist conservative outfits I just mentioned covered this facisnating story? Yeah, I guess all those voter registrations under false names couldn't have possibly voted? It must have been pure coincidence that the Mn Senate recount came up with more votes cast than actiual people who could cast them. I'm sure Eric Holder is hot on the trail.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Air America isn't the media, and has no place in that list, and YES, the others DID ignore it.
The registrations under false names were NOT done by ACORN, but by independent, part-time temp workers who were paid by the number of cards filled out, so they filled out phony ones TO RIP OFF ACORN. There is not a SINGLE INSTANCE of someone being shown to have voted who should not have because of this. Do you really think Mickey Mouse voted, idiot?
And you're STILL lying about MN.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 You don't "follow current events" you swallow the right's lies.
Minnesota did NOT have more votes than registered voters.
And Florida DID prevent thousands of LEGAL VOTERS from voting, nearly all of them black.
And the same thing happened in Ohio four years later.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 In King's day he wanted blacks to be judged equally with whites, on their merits , not the color of their skin. So tell me what could possible be a more RACIST policy that providing a program such as affirmative action that does not judge someone on merits, but ertirely on the color of their skin? Affirmative action basically says blacks cannot compete with the other races and therefore have to be given special dispensation. KIng would have been good with this? I doubt it.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 The racist vomit that King wasn't them "judged on merit not the color of their skin" meant OPPOSITION to affirmative action shows how the racists try to lie about King. In the EXACT SAME SPEECH that line is from, King lined out, as he did many times, his support for AGGRESSIVE affirmative action to equalize opportunity. It's the most VILE of lies to call affirmative action racist, the opposite is true. It does NOT say they cannot compete, it says they should be allowed to.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You still haven't explained how affirmative action, which in it's theory accepts the notion that blacks are inferior and therefore incapable of competing with whites on an even playing field is not a racist notion at it's very core. See liberal racism is more destructive that even the KKK. It keeps blacks down for generations . It doesn't have to SAY they can't, in theory that is what it does.. It says blacks CAN'T compete due to DNA,. End of story.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 NO, you KKK son of a bitch, AA does NOT accept the notion that blacks are inferior, AT ALL.
"Liberal racism" is a rancid right wing lie to cover their own hate. Liberal policies do NOT "keep blacks down". AA does NOT say blacks can't compete, it says our racist society doesn't ALLOW them to equally.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are the son of the bitch. Or shall I say crack whore, One more time for the gifted "public school success" that you demonstate you are. AA, (not alcoholics anonymous, or American airlines) in practice says, blacks are stupid and have no way of competing with whites. Therefore we have to save them a place at the table, otherwise they will starve to death. Of course, it must be all those "racist" requirements like reading for context and critical thinking.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Ah, crack whore, more racism.
It's the most racist of LIES to claim AA says blacks are "stupid". A racist LIE. Blacks are every bit as intelligent and capable of competing, AA overcomes DISCRIMINATION in the hiring process.
It is of course deeply racist to claim that blacks were held back by "critical thinking" or "reading for context". You continue to vomit deep racism, while your other face claims racism doesn't exist at all.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You're supposedly all about "fairness" as a liberal. So tell me what's "fair" about a group that as of the 2010 Census accounts for 19% of the total population being an overwhelming majority of federal, state and county workers? If it was about "fairness" only one in five would be black. How is this not discrimination? Where's Al and Jesse demonstrating on the behalf of the 81% being discriminated against?
Affirmative action is RACISM in it's purest form.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 I'm sorry did you just say that the overwhelming majority of federal, state, and county workers are African-American?
You're on drugs. It's a flat-out, bald faced lie, and a truly idiotic lie.
Calling affirmative action "racism" is racist.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Calling you a "puiblic school success" is insulting to public schools. But I digress. I should have said, the overwhelming majority of non managerial federal, state, and muni workers are black.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Hardly. You've yet to show one word I've said to be untrue.
And you're claim that the majority of federal workers were black is insanity, not remotely close to truth. NOW, you change it to "non-managerial"...and it's STILL a load of shit.
I'll ask, AGAIN, for a source for this preposterous lie.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 You've obviously never read ONE WORD King said. In his speeches, his writings, his books, his private conversations, he supported strong affirmative action and reparations for slavery. He supported union labor and strong control of economic justice. It wasn't an overstatement to call him a socialist.
It's a disgrace that right wing racists like you try to steal King, try to pretend he stood for the exact OPPOSITE of what he really stood for.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'll bet you I've read more of King's writings than you have of Margeret Sanger's. It's a VAST overstastement to call King a socialist and demonstrates a complete ignorance of the term. Seeing your too lazy to google, I'll do it for you .. SOCIALISM
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods . King trusted to government to run everything, did he?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 You've obviously NOT read King's writings (and I have read Sanger's...directly, not quotes from hate groups) it is NOT an overstatement to call King a socialist, and I know very well what the term means, BEING a socialist.
It is NOT "the government running everything", it is the PEOPLE running everything, you forget THIS IS AMERICA. I know hate radio's conditioned you to think of "the government" as bad in Timothy McVeigh style, but WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 One more time for the intellectually lazy cretins who think they're smart. I provided you with the defintion of socialism. It's the goverment controlling the means of production. There is no such defintion that relates to "people controlling everything". Clearly you don't know what it means.
That's not socialism, learn the term before repeating it to be something it is not. Or is Webster's Dictionary "racist" too for contradicting your "superior intellect?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 You didn't provide me with shit, I've been well aware of what Socialism means since before you ever heard the word. The people ARE the government, socialism is NOT a distant "government" controlling things, it is the WORKERS controlling the means of production. I am a socialist, jackass, I know perfectly well what it means, I suspect you'd rather burn the works of Marx than to have actually READ them.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "Public school success stories" need to brush up on the meanings of words and not make shit up to justify their narrow world view. Socialism entails the government owning the means of production. Given the fact that King was leery of the government in it's current capacity, I doubt he wanted to give the government even more power. That same government was leery of him as both Kennedy and Johnson had the FBI spying on him until his death. Liberal fascism at it's finest.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 I haven't made up one word. Not one.
Socialism isn't giving "the government" power, it's giving the PEOPLE power, and King WAS a socialist.
Wait a fucking minute, you're saying the government's fascist "investigations", harassment, and murder of the left was LIBERAL???
If you think Hoover was a liberal, you're off your fucking rocker.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Seeing both Kennedy's and LBJ through the passing of The Great Society are LIBERAL icons, if the shoe fits, wear it. Let me guess, the weren't Democrats? Again, reading is fundamental, except when you're a troll. I didn't say Hoover was a liberal. His bosses however were and they gave the orders. I know, those damn "racist" facts making you look foolish again. Maybe one day , under Obama we can wipe out the scourge of facts for good! It worked for Lenin after all.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Neither Kennedy nor LBJ were truly liberal, and damn well were NOT liberal icons. Yes, they were Democrats, and at a time when the Party was more liberal than it is now. One need only look at 1968 to see how preposterous the idea that Johnson was a liberal is.
Troll? Yeah, you can cram that one up your ass, too. Trolls say things they do not believe in order to elicit a response. I've never done this, and never well. Hoover's "bosses" weren't liberal, and he didn't follow them.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Go check out the black unemployment numbers in Detroit, Chicago, or L.A where "the hard right" hasn't been in power in nearly 100 years. How's the unemployment rate among blacks in those Chicago neighborhood's that Obama "organized"? You are a cartoon character, Is this really Huey from "Boondocks?" Honestly, you can't be serious with posting tripe like this that is SO easily proven wrong by cold hard facts. But do keep trying.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 The idea that liberals caused unemployment in the cities is preposterous, of course. It's CONSERVATIVE policies that have caused that. White flight, corporate greed, are those liberal policies?
The racist attacks on Obama's community organizing experience are truly nauseating. It was not only relevant experience (far more than President Bush II had) but was admirable work.
It says a lot that you think anyone who supports racial justice and equality is from the cartoons.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653. I'll tell you what, why don't you pick a liberal success story. Tell me what municipality under one party Democratic control for a large amount of time is prospering? It's not Chicago. I can vouch for that personally. Explain what conservative policies have caused unemployment and poverty in the cities? There is nothing racist about facts. The communities Obama "organized" are in as worse a shape if not more worse after being touched by "The One".
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Public education is a success story. Public health and research. Scientific research. There are PLENTY of others. NO municipality is "under one party control," the budgets come from STATE legislatures, full of racist Republicans who won't spend a PENNY on those "urbans". I've watched it first hand in Oklahoma and Missouri legislatures. They'd not spend a dime on KC or St. Louis if they could get away with it. Your "facts" (bullshit) are racist. And what's this "The One" shit?
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh course it is. I see the the "success" of that public education in every ill-informed rant you post on here. Too stupid to be believed. The majority of the money to pay for those "successful public schools" come from local property taxes, NOT the state elegislature, which btw , in IL is also controlled by the Democratic Party. I can't speak for Oklahoma or Missouri, but I'm pretty sure that in nationwie. Oh, and my comments are about as racist as yours are intelligent.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 We're the ones we've been waiting for" Barack Obama 2008. You can address your complaints to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington D.C. Oprah Winfrey : "For the very first time in my life, I feel compelled to stand up and to speak out for the man who I believe has a new vision for America," and told the audience of 15,000 said, "I am here to tell you, Iowa, he is the one. He is the one!"
I'm not sure where Ms Winfrey is now, google her failing network OWN to get that address.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 WE, not I.
And she said he is the one for whom she is excited.
Oh, fuck it, you have no interest in honesty whatsoever, sleazy gutter politics is all you can manage, and if you dropped that idiotic "the one" shit, you'd just replace it with some other equally mindless attack.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You asked me a question. I answered it for you. There is nothing either sleazy, nor gutter about facts. To paraphrase Jack Nicholson's character, Col. Nathan Jessup in "A Few Good Men", YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Yeah, you answered, and showed how idiotic the term is. You're not giving "facts", it's sleazy gutter politics and vile racism.
There is NO truth I cannot handle...and it's very telling that you quote a character who was a corrupt liar and fraud..
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I call bullshit. Show me what I've said that was untrue or racist in nature? You should have no problems, as I have handed you your ass on silver plateer during many a discussion on this thread.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 It's been shown, over and over, both untrue and racist. Repeatedly. You've not "handed me my ass", you've repeated ridiculous lies. And I've revealed them to be just that, lies.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 One more time for the fact challenged eugenicist's dream. What did I say that was either a)untrue and b) racist? Examples? Oh right, you don't need to provide any because you are intellectually superior. I'm the dolt who actually cites my sources. You went to public school, where that kind of stuff was frowned upon in favor of learning how to tie your shoelaces which put you on the honor roll in 12 th grade.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 You've had MANY lies pointed out and MUCH racism pointed out. I'll look through the most recent posts to see if you've started citing sources, they've been asked for before, to no response.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Excessive taxation and unionization is what caused the jobs to leave Detroit and Chicago. Are those generally Conservative policies? Poor public schools are what mainly caused"white flight" to the suburbs, Chicago's public schools are a disgrace with nearly 70 years of uninterrupted Democratic Party control of the levers of power. . Are conservatives generally big supporters of teachers unions who balk at any attempt at reform?
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Horseshit. Do you even ATTEMPT to learn truth? Or do you just parrot Rush Limbaugh lies? The jobs left because of GREED, taxes on corporations are pathetically LOW, unions prevent unsafe conditions and slave wages.
White flight had ZERO to do about "poor public schools", it was about RACISM. 100%. NOTHING else.
Chicago's schools are a "disgrace" because of underfunding and poverty. The Democratics don't "control" that, and it's the vilest of LIES to say teachers oppose reform.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm not the one parroting here, genius. Every assinnie comment of yours is straight out of a Moveon.org talking point booklet. Blah, blah, evil whites, Blah blah, greedy corporations, blah blah, Bush's fault. Here's a tip a for you ,"Mr. public school success". People don't open up businesses so your lame ass can have a job. If you can't make money, there is no point to it. We are not a nation built by non-profit organizations. And yeah, schools do make a difference.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Horseshit. I've never read moveon in my life. You think corporate greed is "blah blah"?
It's hysterical hypocrisy, you say give the rich tax cuts, then there'll be more jobs, then you say "you think they open businesses to give you a job??"
No, they open businesses to make profit, that's their only interest. And that we support this, think it's GOOD, is disgusting.
We ARE a nation built on non-profit organizations. Without our schools, we crumble.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 It's called making as PROFIT. It's the reason you put your ass on the line to start a business. What you don't start a business for is to provide assclowns like yourself a job. Without PROFITS, you don't have a job, chief. Unless of course you work for the government, then you just run up massive debt and blame it on the Tea Party.
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 And, AGAIN, we heard this bilge that we should give every break imaginable to the wealthy because they "create jobs", NOW you turn around and say the only reason for business is "profit." That's true, and it's why we should STOP sucking up to business, and start realizing it is the cause of much of our problems.
The tea party isn't the cause of the debt, they're just refusing to responsibly deal with it. We have debt because taxes are far, far too low on the wealthy (and the wars)
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 And you've yet to prove ONE WORD I've said to be untrue. If common decency is "tripe" to you, that speaks to your lack of character.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You haven't said one word that is true. What "common decency" have you exhibited? What have you said that was true. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Try backing up your opinion with even a shred of FACT and then maybe we can talk. You have exhibited yourself to be a one -legged man in an ass-kicking contest. Here's some common decency of yours..."You're an idiot. We're not even vaguely CLOSE to broke." We just got downgraded by S&P for the first time EVER!!!
dalmatian847 5 months ago
@dalmatian847 Nothing I've said is untrue. Fighting against racism and greed is decency. I don't give "opinions" I give facts.
We are NOT close to broke, we are the wealthiest nation in WORLD HISTORY' We were downgraded because of the irresponsible flighty maniacs the GOP has sent to Congress.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I don't need to. REALITY proves your words to be hollow (much like your head). L/A Times :Reporting from Washington— Standard & Poor's downgraded the U.S. government's credit rating Friday for the first time in history, saying the recent plan worked out to raise the federal debt ceiling "falls short" of what's needed to stabilize the nation's longer-term finances.
But we're "not broke", right? We didn't get downgraded in 8 yrs of Bush, but not even 3 under Obama.
dalmatian847 5 months ago