Hey, believe what you want. People who know them better than you do are the ones saying they are cultic.They changed the wording of the song. Why?Remnant is not just a name, its a mindset. Every group I've heard of that uses remnant has been cultic.Disregard as you wish.
@ConfederateGypsy The Bible itself uses the term. But in any case about Baptism: I questioned my fiance's family more on it and found that Charity will use sprinkling on rare occasions for people who have come out of churches that enforce it. But the vast majority of the baptisms done in the Remnant churches are by immersion (and his family anyway are immersion-only in belief.) Their church uses a hymnbook put out by the Church of God in Christ, or Holdeman Mennonites.
@Phoenix51200 The Bible uses the term but not in the cultic buzz word fashion Charity does.Only immersion is baptism. Sprinkling is not baptism period. The Holdemans are as nutty as Charity. They put out a tract which I used to have ranting against immersion. According to them NOBODY else has it together at all, just them.
I don't know about the Holdemans but I am leery of Charity. I saw a number from my colony (Elmendorf) follow charity and one who takes a cue from Charity (Peter Hoover) only to be excommunicated right out of the Hutterian Brethren Church.
Are these young people singing in this video Charity or are they Beachy Amish Mennonites?
Certainly I agree with you about "remnant". I tend to be leery of "remnant churches". I have seen what these shysters have done to my home colony (Elmendorf near Mountain Lake, MN).
Singing song like this should be motivated by faith in Christ--even the faith OF! Christ.
I have found out that the hymn book used is put out by the Charity Christian Fellowship people. Now I understand why it is in error. it just reflects their deviant ideas.Perhaps "plunged" sounded too much like baptism by immersion in some sense so they felt they had to change it.
Don't the Charity people support baptism by immersion? How are they deviant?
There are lots of small variations of words depending on which hymnbook you use. It's only to be expected with such old and well-loved songs as hymns. For example, in Rock of Ages is the line "Save from wrath and make me pure," or "Cleanse me from its guilt and power"? Does it matter? I don't think accusing people of changing words to suit their agenda does any good.
@Phoenix51200 Charity does not hold to immersion alone. Baptism in their view can be by immersion, sprinkling or pouring. This position isn't so much deviant as just plain wrong.Their cult like mindset is the deviant thing.Check them out and see.
@ConfederateGypsy I'm an Evangelical engaged to a member of a Remnant church. They are much more conservative than I'm used to, but hardly cult-like. From my experience of the Charityites they vary widely from fellowship to fellowship in terms of standards, but all of them hold to the basic Anabaptist beliefs of the Kingdom, believers' baptism (through immersion only, the ones I know anyway) nonresistance, holiness etc. I've seen nothing from them that would be a warning sign of a cult.
@Phoenix51200 First off, do a little searching on line about these people. Read the testimonies of those who have left them. See what they say.Plus, I would be careful of anybody calling themselves Remnant. The 7th Day Adventists call themselves that.
@ConfederateGypsy I've read the stories of Rick Friedrich and others but honestly they only read like the stories of any bitter former church member. Could you call Charity a cult for not believing in wedding rings or eternal security or encouraging women not to cut their hair and men not to wear suits? Hardly but that's all I've found.
@ConfederateGypsy The "Remnant" name is interesting, but if you have a chance to talk to one of them you'll see that it's not a title for the movement but is wider than that. They embrace all Remnant Christians from any church or denomination. The Remnant idea comes from the balance of heart Christianity and holiness that few scattered Christians and even fewer churches as a whole strive for.
Anyway I've come to love and admire the Charityites I know and their heartfelt faith.
@ConfederateGypsy The Hymn Book was "The Christian Hymnary" I guess the compiler Changed that Phrase. And you are right the original was the way you said. "sinners plunged beneath..."
@ConfederateGypsy Not a significant difference, I think. There's a lot of little variations in the lyrics of some of the old hymns, like "Rock of Ages."
NOBODY DOES IT LIKE THE CHURCH! cant stand the brittney spears version
mystrol3 11 months ago
What a beautiful song! The Lord Jesus Christ is all sufficient and worthy of our praise!
bigbeing 1 year ago
Hey, believe what you want. People who know them better than you do are the ones saying they are cultic.They changed the wording of the song. Why?Remnant is not just a name, its a mindset. Every group I've heard of that uses remnant has been cultic.Disregard as you wish.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy The Bible itself uses the term. But in any case about Baptism: I questioned my fiance's family more on it and found that Charity will use sprinkling on rare occasions for people who have come out of churches that enforce it. But the vast majority of the baptisms done in the Remnant churches are by immersion (and his family anyway are immersion-only in belief.) Their church uses a hymnbook put out by the Church of God in Christ, or Holdeman Mennonites.
Phoenix51200 1 year ago
@Phoenix51200 The Bible uses the term but not in the cultic buzz word fashion Charity does.Only immersion is baptism. Sprinkling is not baptism period. The Holdemans are as nutty as Charity. They put out a tract which I used to have ranting against immersion. According to them NOBODY else has it together at all, just them.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy
I don't know about the Holdemans but I am leery of Charity. I saw a number from my colony (Elmendorf) follow charity and one who takes a cue from Charity (Peter Hoover) only to be excommunicated right out of the Hutterian Brethren Church.
Are these young people singing in this video Charity or are they Beachy Amish Mennonites?
dakotagerman1 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy
Certainly I agree with you about "remnant". I tend to be leery of "remnant churches". I have seen what these shysters have done to my home colony (Elmendorf near Mountain Lake, MN).
Singing song like this should be motivated by faith in Christ--even the faith OF! Christ.
dakotagerman1 1 year ago
I have found out that the hymn book used is put out by the Charity Christian Fellowship people. Now I understand why it is in error. it just reflects their deviant ideas.Perhaps "plunged" sounded too much like baptism by immersion in some sense so they felt they had to change it.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy
Don't the Charity people support baptism by immersion? How are they deviant?
There are lots of small variations of words depending on which hymnbook you use. It's only to be expected with such old and well-loved songs as hymns. For example, in Rock of Ages is the line "Save from wrath and make me pure," or "Cleanse me from its guilt and power"? Does it matter? I don't think accusing people of changing words to suit their agenda does any good.
Phoenix51200 1 year ago
@Phoenix51200 Charity does not hold to immersion alone. Baptism in their view can be by immersion, sprinkling or pouring. This position isn't so much deviant as just plain wrong.Their cult like mindset is the deviant thing.Check them out and see.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy I'm an Evangelical engaged to a member of a Remnant church. They are much more conservative than I'm used to, but hardly cult-like. From my experience of the Charityites they vary widely from fellowship to fellowship in terms of standards, but all of them hold to the basic Anabaptist beliefs of the Kingdom, believers' baptism (through immersion only, the ones I know anyway) nonresistance, holiness etc. I've seen nothing from them that would be a warning sign of a cult.
Phoenix51200 1 year ago
@Phoenix51200 First off, do a little searching on line about these people. Read the testimonies of those who have left them. See what they say.Plus, I would be careful of anybody calling themselves Remnant. The 7th Day Adventists call themselves that.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy I've read the stories of Rick Friedrich and others but honestly they only read like the stories of any bitter former church member. Could you call Charity a cult for not believing in wedding rings or eternal security or encouraging women not to cut their hair and men not to wear suits? Hardly but that's all I've found.
Phoenix51200 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy The "Remnant" name is interesting, but if you have a chance to talk to one of them you'll see that it's not a title for the movement but is wider than that. They embrace all Remnant Christians from any church or denomination. The Remnant idea comes from the balance of heart Christianity and holiness that few scattered Christians and even fewer churches as a whole strive for.
Anyway I've come to love and admire the Charityites I know and their heartfelt faith.
Phoenix51200 1 year ago
It would seem their hymn book is wrong.Cowper didn't write it that way. The question is: Is it a mennonite or methodist hymn book?
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy The Hymn Book was "The Christian Hymnary" I guess the compiler Changed that Phrase. And you are right the original was the way you said. "sinners plunged beneath..."
mowerseller 1 year ago
Why do they say "sinners washing in..." when the hymn actually reads," sinners plunged beneath..."? Are they afraid to sing it correctly ?
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
The Hymn Book that they used reads it this way.
mowerseller 1 year ago
@ConfederateGypsy Not a significant difference, I think. There's a lot of little variations in the lyrics of some of the old hymns, like "Rock of Ages."
cft353 10 months ago
Praise God for that Fountain. I too have washed in that Fountain. Hallalujah to the Lamb of God that was slain upon the tree.
dlrandel 2 years ago
Great song, sung by modest women. Amen.
seanpaynedotnet 2 years ago
Good hymn, it is always good to lift Gods name and his unfailing love in a group. I pray the God should bless and use you people for his glory.
augushat 2 years ago 2
The dying theif rejoiced to see that fountain in his day. And there may I though vile as he wash all my sins away.
Thanks for the hymn.
ForGodsGlory1 2 years ago 6