Guys , I can't view this video due to a slow net :| I have my assembly in the next week and out topic is SUFISM and I'm supposed to insert a documentary on sufi , please HONESTLY tell me whether I can use this video or nott. Thankkkyouuu :)
Oh my god ! Seriously, you didn't even get Mevlana's name right and you call this a documentary ? Mevlana's ethnic identity is a matter of dispute but there's no doubt that this sect of Islam has aTurkish background.
@bnmanas Some people just focus on being negative and destructive and also, trying to show of a miserable amount of their culture. My friend, with that attitude i can't understand why you are interested in sufism. I thank the guy who made this beautiful documentary and i give a shit if he can speak or not properly cause any neurological problem.
@bnmanas Sufi Sufi...whats problem people have with it. its not a sect...if you talk like that iam sorry i need to say you are ignorant, not even sure if you know what this word means..its part of Islam...and the Selafist can get lost it will be always part of islam......
One thing I wanna make clear to everyone: Islam strongly opposes the idea of praying to anyone and anything other than God. Islam's monotheistic belief is very important for all Muslims. So those who go invoking other objects and beings besides God, are committing the worst sin in Islam, which is known as Shirk (associating partners with God). That is why in Islam, if one wants to pray, he/she must pray to God directly, without any intermediary. God is One, he has no need of partners.
Sufis, the general practitioners, apply it to their Madthab. It's not a sect. Sufis still follow a Sunni-Islamic jurisdiction.
No Sufis (except maybe those in small, obscure orders in Turkey, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka- whom Muslims reject even as Muslims) pray to anyone but God.
I need to make a correction. This vid is a bit biased! The Christian saints adopted this repetitive Zikr from Sufis, while discoursing in the Ottoman court! Digging in history would reveal this with a little research! :)
tasawwuf is a branch of islam, aka the science of purification... ilm tasawwuf, ilm hadith, ilm tajweed and the other are all the sciences of islam... one cannot be called "sufi" so easily... just as one cannot be called muhaddith as easily (expert in this ilm)... so sufi is mostly used unproperly...
It's not a sect it is part of Islam. Sufis can be Sunni or Shitte. They fufill all the dutys of Islam (Zakat,Salah,Raamadhan), but they also focus on dhikr and expand on it by writing poetry and singing. It's not more "peaceful or tolerant" than "Islamist"( not even word) b/c it is not seperate from islam, it is Islam.Sufis in Somalia, Afghanistan etc participate in warfare like any other Muslim.
And what would an Atheist like about music and poetry focusing on Allah, lol?
Then they're probably Zaydi Shi'ites, right? I can't possibly imagine a Sufi from the 12er sect of Shi'ism. They have completely contradictory standing points. Sufis base a lot of their teachings on narrations from the Sahabah (Abu bakr, specifically). 12ers HATE Abu Bakr. Zaydi Shi'ites (in Yemen) on the other hand are essentially just Sunnis who politically supported Ali)
Sufi'ism is as you said, applied to an existing ideology.
sufiissm is brigging to shirk with allah , sufiism is not the right way fo islam , islam is not sufisim , islam is to follow quran and sunnah , .....o people of suufiism fear allah , dnt change the religion of allah , know that one day we alla going to meet allah , and he SWT will asks his about our deeds , so do not misinterpret islam by means of sufiism , ,,,, alll other religion is under the feet of islam , the only way salvation from hell fire . is islam , not sufisim .think deeply
@hakimzada100 Remove 18th century away from Islam, and see what Islam is like! Its Sufism! Research about the the greatest scholars of Islam, and see what were they?? Imam Ghazali(ra), Waqee bin Al Jarah(ra)?... Forget the rest, just compare Al Tammayah and Abudul Wahab with Imam Ghazali(ra) in both Zaahir and Baatin! :) They don't come ANYWHERE close to Imam Ghazali(ra), who is a giant of both Zaahir and Baatin! Think deeply! :) Sufism is the way of Ahle Sunnah(classical/Orthodox Islam)
Tired of these puritan Wahabbi's spreading their violent condemnation and guilt tripping and scaremongering. Leave those who want to love to love, whether you agree with them or not. God will judge us all. How will be able to face him knowing you called his brother kuffar and called his dhikr sin?
An excellent & balanced documentary giving mankind reasons to celebrate & venerate Islam; a welcome alternative to the fundamentalist reactionary ravings of the mass media.
First, YOU should accept the rules, and one of the biggest is don't judge others. If some said: La illaha illa Allah - you don't have any right to judge his faith. Allah knows best, you have only one duty, to perfect yourself and your religion for afterlife. There was 124 or 224 thousand prophets, so if you can't accept anything from the religions around the world, you deny fractures of the truth. Stop looking for what is wrong, and begin to search what's okay.
@Samonitari it is forbidden to let a muslim do wrong and dont tell anything if he does wrong you should tell him that it is harraaam ! what are you talking actually??!! MUSIC IS FROBIDDEN!! WORSHIPPING GRAVES IS FORBIDDEN !! if sombody sais la ilaha ila laah you still have ALL RIGHT to judge !!! man suffis are worse then i thought you are acting like christians and mohamed pbuh said if you act like a nation you are part of that nation.!!!
i'm sorry mr filastine to burst your bubble but the prophet(saw) made du'a that the ummah would never aggree on anything wrong and the du'a was accepted. if you don't aggree with ahlul sunnah wal jamaa you are not apart of ahlul sunnah wal jamaa. ahlul sunnah wal jamaa has stated clearly that tawassul is halal. there are hadiths and daleel to these things. It is not shirk to ask someone to make du'a for you
@Samonitari I agree! Why is it that religious people are often the most hateful? Jews, Christians, Muslims--the second there is a video uploaded which spreads a message of love, the religious zealots come to spread their unhappiness and venomous condemnation to others. Apparently to them, love is against the Torah, Bible, or Quran...fear fear fear, non-stop.
One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing : `There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`
Wow! This was a great documentary! Thanks for enlightening us. Sufi Islam have renewed my hope in the possibility that Jews and Muslims can one day finally come together in peace. Shalom
@RabinoBoricuaVirtual actually if you read about Jews in the Ottoman reign you'll see muslims and jews actually lived together in peace for a very long time.
As a sunni muslim this is SHIRK to pray to anyone but Allah...IF WE HAVE ONE QURAN WE SHOULD ONLY PRAY TO ONE GOD, FOR IT IS HIM WHO WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR THANK TO AND IT IS HIM WHO ANSWERS OUR PRAYERS.
To the proud golden Wahabi people - i hope your Time of Lie and Falsehood is over very soon!! And also we, all united, free holy Mecca and Medina from your Ignorance!!!
There is nothing pre-Islamic . The first human beings Adam & Eve, and all the prophets [peace be upon them all] were Muslims. The Messenger Muhammad salle allahu alaihi wa selam.was the seal of the prophets.
That is such a joke, to say the middle east is so pluralistic. That moment of two religions sharing in one shrine is incredibly rare. Where non Sunni or Shia religions, including other muslim sects exist, they usually exist in relative isolation and in far smaller numbers. This is a good documentary but it's a load of propaganda as well.
Sufism started in Iran. and the word Sufi means people in line. line is saf and sufi is the people stand in line before their love, God. And Sufism is the mixture of Islam and Zoroastian.
This guy leaves in a bubble, in an imaginery world which he himself created. The type of sufism he is describing is nothing but what traditional scholars of Islam (true sufis) have called "folkore islam".
I have to say this video is frankly misleading. Ramadan is directly from Islam the Quran and Sunnah not adopted from Christianity and why this obsession with trying to link Sufism with something pre Islamic? It tries to imply that Muslims never contemplated God, never reflected, never recited the name of God etc.....
This is true divinity. The only sect of Islam which knows what God really means. If you read Sufism and their texts its what Jesus said, what Buddha said, what Krishna said.
@Anime - Sufism is Islam and nothing else! It is what Kabbalah is to Judaism, however unlike Kabbalah Sufism is followed by vast vast number of Muslims around the world
Sufis are from Ahlul Bidah...period. And it does state in the Quran that musical intruments are haram and calling upon any1 other than Allah is SHIRK!!!! Even though alot of sufis are very nice people, they are kaafirs by many forms. Rumi is in Jahanam...Insha'Allah. May Allah guide all those who committ such atrocities..ameen
I saw this documentary when it was first aired on tv and what I took from it was the absolute devotion humans have to connect with God through music. We can all get academic about the details of it but the truth remains that music is a unifier and no words can describe anyone's relationship with God especially if they feel a connection with God through hearing, playing or singing music.
Sufism is an Islamic mysticism!! It believes in purification of heart n intentions n love for 4 all!! It has its rules n regulations through which one can be among da blessed of the Prophet(SAW) and God. :)
this is complete garbage i listen to all kinds of mucis like hip hop rap trance rock etc but i dont claim its related to God even though sum freaks say its a sin that i listen to music at least i dont claim its religous this shit is outragous
The intro is a bit misleading. Not all Sufis claim to use music as an expression of mysticism. Zikr of the names of Allah, along with other spiritual connections with God (including music for some) is what sets Sufis apart. Also, orthodoxy and Sufism go hand in hand. An orthodox Muslim can be a Sufi, since the definition of Sufism is a little open. Sufism is not a seperate strand of Islam, but it is Islam, it is the spiritual aspect of Islam. You'll hear this from almost every Islamic scholar.
Many were also Qadis (Sharia law judges) in courts. They held that Sufism was never distinct from Islam and to fully comprehend and practice Sufism one must be an observant Muslim.
Therefore, the Sharia (traditional Islamic law) and the Sunnah (customs of the Prophet) are seen as crucial for any Sufi aspirant. One proof traditional orders assert is that almost all the famous Sufi masters of the past Caliphates were experts in Sharia and were renowned as people with great Iman (faith) and excellent practice.
The Sufi movement has spanned several continents and cultures over a millennium, at first expressed through Arabic, then through Persian, Turkish, and a dozen other languages. Sufi orders, which are either Shi'a or Sunni in doctrine, trace their origins from the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad, through his cousin Ali, or from Abu Bakr.
ibncab you are wrong is generally understood to be the inner, mystical dimension of Islam. A practitioner of this tradition is generally known as a Sūfī (صُوفِيّ), though some adherents of the tradition reserve this term only for those practitioners who have attained the goals of the Sufi tradition. Another name used for the Sufi seeker is dervish.
defined Sufism as "a science whose objective is the reparation of the heart and turning it away from all else but God."
sufism or tasawwuf is a great prcatise of islam,but we are still orthodox muslims,if not stricter on islamic law,we dont listen to music, mix with women,and try to engage in as much worship as possible.sufism is about love,as islam is
"Without my lover, love is absent from my chapter,
Without my lover, I count the lonely nights of Love."
It doesn't rhyme in English but, it does sound bloody heart moving in Punjabi. Also the way he sings it with that sorrow in his voice just carries and strikes his message harder and deeper (I hope that made sense at some level)
oh dont worry i do listen to music in other lanuages and when i get the meaning in english it may not rhyme but it is beautiful so i know what u mean:-) thanks for sharing
im a sufi and it based on strictly adhering to the quran and sunnah, the murids of my shaykh dress according to the sunnah, have sunnah beards, and are very strict,and the women generally wear niqab. sufism is about the quran and sunnah.
imam malik, said who studies sufism without islamic law (fiqh) destroys his life, and this is what many sufis seem to be doing. he also said those who study fiqh without sufism destroy their deen! it may have been the other way round i forget!
I would have to actually see that statement from Imam Malik because I cannot believe that he would say such a thing, in the context that the Sufi's take the meaning to be.
Anyway, having studied Sufism for years when I first accepted Islaam, I would advice you against it because certain practices are not from Islaam. For example, every Sufi Tariqah believes in the 'unity of God' (wahdatul wujud) and this is not the concept of Allaah that was taught by the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
And there are many other things. Mainly Sufism is just another form of extremism, in that they take certain aspects of Islaam to an extreme that is opposite of the violent extreme.
You say that Sufism is about the Qur'an and Sunnah, if that is so then why do you call yourself a Sufi, and why do you need something other than just the Qur'an and Sunnah?
"whoever studies Jurisprudence [tafaqaha] and didn't study Sufism [tasawwaf] will be corrupted; and whoever studied Sufism and didn't study Jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will reach the Truth."
We don't know the context of what he was talking about there. For example, you can read it as if he was talking about Sufism and meaning that if you studied both together, then you find the Truth, which is that Sufism has nothing to do with Islam.
"We were with Malik and his companions around him. A man from the people of Naseebeen said, "We have a people called Sufi's who eat a lot then they mention lines of poetry and then they stand up to dance?"
The man said, "rather they eat then they stand and dance. Some of them hitting their heads and some their faces." So Malik (rahimahullaah) laughed and then stood up and went to his house. The companions of Malik (rahimahullaah) said to the man you were fortunate with our companion since we sat with him for thirty odd years, we never saw him laugh except on this day."
Imam Tartoushi al-Maliki (451H-520H) was asked about the Sufi's so he said,
"The Madhab of the Sufi's is futile, ignorance, misguidance and it is not allowed for anyone who believes in Allaah and the last day to be present with them, nor to help them upon their baseless ways and this is the way of Malik, Abu Haneefah, ash-Shaf'ee and other than them from the scholars of the Muslims and to Allaah belongs success."
My point is not to debate or argue with you. Rather it is to show you that you are claiming that Imam Malik said one thing, while Imam Malik's actual followers, those upon the Maliki Madhab say the opposite.
all the great imams of the past,even the four imams practiced tasawwuf.some say they didnt.
In the time of the Prophet, Tasawwuf was a reality without a name, today Tasawwuf is a name, but few know its Reality.
the concept of tasawwuf comes from ihsaan, mentioned the hadith jibrael a.s.
i dont think there is any benefit in this discussion,we have different views&i dont want to turn this into a debate.we may have different views,but were brothers,and brothers love 1 another.
Thank you for posting and sharing this documentary!It's very interesting!
dearmalika 2 days ago
So that's where my flower pots went.
haha just kidding :)
ThaKidFrankiee 2 weeks ago
@DHOOMER7777 yes u can
firelight7 2 months ago
Guys , I can't view this video due to a slow net :| I have my assembly in the next week and out topic is SUFISM and I'm supposed to insert a documentary on sufi , please HONESTLY tell me whether I can use this video or nott. Thankkkyouuu :)
DHOOMER7777 2 months ago
Oh my god ! Seriously, you didn't even get Mevlana's name right and you call this a documentary ? Mevlana's ethnic identity is a matter of dispute but there's no doubt that this sect of Islam has aTurkish background.
bnmanas 2 months ago
@bnmanas Some people just focus on being negative and destructive and also, trying to show of a miserable amount of their culture. My friend, with that attitude i can't understand why you are interested in sufism. I thank the guy who made this beautiful documentary and i give a shit if he can speak or not properly cause any neurological problem.
auresius88 1 month ago
@bnmanas Sufi Sufi...whats problem people have with it. its not a sect...if you talk like that iam sorry i need to say you are ignorant, not even sure if you know what this word means..its part of Islam...and the Selafist can get lost it will be always part of islam......
Maysoun2009 6 days ago
2 Samuel 6:14 And David was dancing before the LORD. This says it all.
therogerseses 2 months ago 2
Islam is peace, some time some muslims are not
razzanarts 3 months ago
One thing I wanna make clear to everyone: Islam strongly opposes the idea of praying to anyone and anything other than God. Islam's monotheistic belief is very important for all Muslims. So those who go invoking other objects and beings besides God, are committing the worst sin in Islam, which is known as Shirk (associating partners with God). That is why in Islam, if one wants to pray, he/she must pray to God directly, without any intermediary. God is One, he has no need of partners.
HCEveningWalk 4 months ago
@HCEveningWalk
Sufis, the general practitioners, apply it to their Madthab. It's not a sect. Sufis still follow a Sunni-Islamic jurisdiction.
No Sufis (except maybe those in small, obscure orders in Turkey, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka- whom Muslims reject even as Muslims) pray to anyone but God.
LuckyDukeSeven 4 months ago
Christianity is NOT the same as Catholicism, go to a church.
lockout07 4 months ago
I need to make a correction. This vid is a bit biased! The Christian saints adopted this repetitive Zikr from Sufis, while discoursing in the Ottoman court! Digging in history would reveal this with a little research! :)
artistdigital 5 months ago
tasawwuf is a branch of islam, aka the science of purification... ilm tasawwuf, ilm hadith, ilm tajweed and the other are all the sciences of islam... one cannot be called "sufi" so easily... just as one cannot be called muhaddith as easily (expert in this ilm)... so sufi is mostly used unproperly...
KaliPuppies 5 months ago
well ...... i am atheist ( ex-Muslim ) but i think Sufism is the most tolerant and peace loving Islamist sect . !
i actually love their music and listen to it all the time
mideastatheist 6 months ago
@mideastatheist
It's not a sect it is part of Islam. Sufis can be Sunni or Shitte. They fufill all the dutys of Islam (Zakat,Salah,Raamadhan), but they also focus on dhikr and expand on it by writing poetry and singing. It's not more "peaceful or tolerant" than "Islamist"( not even word) b/c it is not seperate from islam, it is Islam.Sufis in Somalia, Afghanistan etc participate in warfare like any other Muslim.
And what would an Atheist like about music and poetry focusing on Allah, lol?
cbluver22 5 months ago
@cbluver22
A Sufi Shi'ite?
Then they're probably Zaydi Shi'ites, right? I can't possibly imagine a Sufi from the 12er sect of Shi'ism. They have completely contradictory standing points. Sufis base a lot of their teachings on narrations from the Sahabah (Abu bakr, specifically). 12ers HATE Abu Bakr. Zaydi Shi'ites (in Yemen) on the other hand are essentially just Sunnis who politically supported Ali)
Sufi'ism is as you said, applied to an existing ideology.
LuckyDukeSeven 4 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven ...i think most dont know what sufi means and the arabic word for it is Tawwasuf.....
Maysoun2009 6 days ago
@mideastatheist
where are you originally from?
0warrior4life 5 months ago
sufiissm is brigging to shirk with allah , sufiism is not the right way fo islam , islam is not sufisim , islam is to follow quran and sunnah , .....o people of suufiism fear allah , dnt change the religion of allah , know that one day we alla going to meet allah , and he SWT will asks his about our deeds , so do not misinterpret islam by means of sufiism , ,,,, alll other religion is under the feet of islam , the only way salvation from hell fire . is islam , not sufisim .think deeply
hakimzada100 7 months ago
@hakimzada100 Remove 18th century away from Islam, and see what Islam is like! Its Sufism! Research about the the greatest scholars of Islam, and see what were they?? Imam Ghazali(ra), Waqee bin Al Jarah(ra)?... Forget the rest, just compare Al Tammayah and Abudul Wahab with Imam Ghazali(ra) in both Zaahir and Baatin! :) They don't come ANYWHERE close to Imam Ghazali(ra), who is a giant of both Zaahir and Baatin! Think deeply! :) Sufism is the way of Ahle Sunnah(classical/Orthodox Islam)
artistdigital 5 months ago
Tired of these puritan Wahabbi's spreading their violent condemnation and guilt tripping and scaremongering. Leave those who want to love to love, whether you agree with them or not. God will judge us all. How will be able to face him knowing you called his brother kuffar and called his dhikr sin?
azyeennekun 8 months ago 2
An excellent & balanced documentary giving mankind reasons to celebrate & venerate Islam; a welcome alternative to the fundamentalist reactionary ravings of the mass media.
Psikonort 9 months ago
if you think heart purification love for Allah and love for the prophet isn't apart of islam then you need to retake the shahadah
yusufulhas 10 months ago
This is mind boggling! People are using music to worship Allah when the Prophet s.a.w. clearly told us that its not permissible
`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).` Bukhare.
And they believe in "the God within"? It sounds alot like the trinity christians believe.
Wake up people.... the media is trying to show more "cool" Islam that accepts music etc. THEIR TRYING TO LEAD YOU ASTRAY!
sweetmali123 11 months ago
@sweetmali123
First, YOU should accept the rules, and one of the biggest is don't judge others. If some said: La illaha illa Allah - you don't have any right to judge his faith. Allah knows best, you have only one duty, to perfect yourself and your religion for afterlife. There was 124 or 224 thousand prophets, so if you can't accept anything from the religions around the world, you deny fractures of the truth. Stop looking for what is wrong, and begin to search what's okay.
Samonitari 11 months ago
@Samonitari it is forbidden to let a muslim do wrong and dont tell anything if he does wrong you should tell him that it is harraaam ! what are you talking actually??!! MUSIC IS FROBIDDEN!! WORSHIPPING GRAVES IS FORBIDDEN !! if sombody sais la ilaha ila laah you still have ALL RIGHT to judge !!! man suffis are worse then i thought you are acting like christians and mohamed pbuh said if you act like a nation you are part of that nation.!!!
Filistin43ver 10 months ago
@Filistin43ver
i'm sorry mr filastine to burst your bubble but the prophet(saw) made du'a that the ummah would never aggree on anything wrong and the du'a was accepted. if you don't aggree with ahlul sunnah wal jamaa you are not apart of ahlul sunnah wal jamaa. ahlul sunnah wal jamaa has stated clearly that tawassul is halal. there are hadiths and daleel to these things. It is not shirk to ask someone to make du'a for you
yusufulhas 10 months ago
@Samonitari I agree! Why is it that religious people are often the most hateful? Jews, Christians, Muslims--the second there is a video uploaded which spreads a message of love, the religious zealots come to spread their unhappiness and venomous condemnation to others. Apparently to them, love is against the Torah, Bible, or Quran...fear fear fear, non-stop.
tvswnet 10 months ago
INSIDE RELIGION SHOULD CONSISTS THIS :
1.IMAN
2.ISLAM
3.TAWHEED
4.MAKRIFATULLAH
hellvillains 1 year ago
@hellvillains ISLAM -> IMAN -> IHSAN ;)
KaliPuppies 5 months ago
One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing : `There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`
Lionheart7100 1 year ago
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Samonitari 11 months ago
most of these instruments come from islam within the caliphs
RAGSTAluvsDA90z 1 year ago
@cypriot1965 probably the best comment on you-tube
nick281972 1 year ago
Wow! This was a great documentary! Thanks for enlightening us. Sufi Islam have renewed my hope in the possibility that Jews and Muslims can one day finally come together in peace. Shalom
RabinoBoricuaVirtual 1 year ago 7
@RabinoBoricuaVirtual
Indeed, all believers will re-unite insha'Allah.
ShazzMinni 10 months ago
@RabinoBoricuaVirtual actually if you read about Jews in the Ottoman reign you'll see muslims and jews actually lived together in peace for a very long time.
bnmanas 2 months ago
As a sunni muslim this is SHIRK to pray to anyone but Allah...IF WE HAVE ONE QURAN WE SHOULD ONLY PRAY TO ONE GOD, FOR IT IS HIM WHO WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR THANK TO AND IT IS HIM WHO ANSWERS OUR PRAYERS.
anaaa1 1 year ago 4
Music is universal language if our soul......scientific fact sounds is more powerful than vision, sounds can see what our eyes cant see
luwiz 1 year ago
very good documentary thanks for uploading
myusernameisusername 1 year ago
does anyone know what that 3 string tumbi is called that sain zahoor plays? im tryna buy one!!!
herndonboy13 1 year ago
Sufi- or not following the true path of Islam.
crazypawns 1 year ago
Wahabis are SCUM!
b'stards killed 42 in the Datta Darbar.
The ones who insult this spiritual dimension of Islam are nothing but MURDERERS and associated with vile murderous Wahabi Salafi FILTH!
ibbz 1 year ago 3
@ibbz LAH IENA3aLAK
MrTheYoussef 1 year ago
To the proud golden Wahabi people - i hope your Time of Lie and Falsehood is over very soon!! And also we, all united, free holy Mecca and Medina from your Ignorance!!!
carismanroots 1 year ago
There is nothing pre-Islamic . The first human beings Adam & Eve, and all the prophets [peace be upon them all] were Muslims. The Messenger Muhammad salle allahu alaihi wa selam.was the seal of the prophets.
nassermashadi 1 year ago
That is such a joke, to say the middle east is so pluralistic. That moment of two religions sharing in one shrine is incredibly rare. Where non Sunni or Shia religions, including other muslim sects exist, they usually exist in relative isolation and in far smaller numbers. This is a good documentary but it's a load of propaganda as well.
BlueWaveOfLight 1 year ago
Sufism started in Iran. and the word Sufi means people in line. line is saf and sufi is the people stand in line before their love, God. And Sufism is the mixture of Islam and Zoroastian.
19tango64 2 years ago
It's a theory, silly
BlueWaveOfLight 1 year ago
This guy leaves in a bubble, in an imaginery world which he himself created. The type of sufism he is describing is nothing but what traditional scholars of Islam (true sufis) have called "folkore islam".
libexzz 2 years ago
I have to say this video is frankly misleading. Ramadan is directly from Islam the Quran and Sunnah not adopted from Christianity and why this obsession with trying to link Sufism with something pre Islamic? It tries to imply that Muslims never contemplated God, never reflected, never recited the name of God etc.....
7jem331 2 years ago
well said!
fardoon 2 years ago
This is true divinity. The only sect of Islam which knows what God really means. If you read Sufism and their texts its what Jesus said, what Buddha said, what Krishna said.
buramabull 2 years ago
Sufism is quite similar to Islam. Although they're not the same, they're similar enough to be compared.
AnimefreakDacapo 2 years ago
Sufism is Islam. Its not 'similar' its like saying catholicism is similar to Christianity.
bebedebore 2 years ago 21
bebedebore.
Very true. Its frankly boring to constantly hear this "Sufism similar to Islam" or "It has its roots in this place or that"
Also this nonsense about "Orthodoxy opposed to Islam" Er since when? What like Suyuti, Nawawi, Qadi Iyad..........
7jem331 2 years ago
@bebedebore well put
knjohnsonel 1 year ago
@bebedebore its a school of thought i like sufism
timetochilli 10 months ago
@Anime - Sufism is Islam and nothing else! It is what Kabbalah is to Judaism, however unlike Kabbalah Sufism is followed by vast vast number of Muslims around the world
kikusdream 2 years ago
Sufis are from Ahlul Bidah...period. And it does state in the Quran that musical intruments are haram and calling upon any1 other than Allah is SHIRK!!!! Even though alot of sufis are very nice people, they are kaafirs by many forms. Rumi is in Jahanam...Insha'Allah. May Allah guide all those who committ such atrocities..ameen
StudentofKnowledge99 2 years ago
Why are you so concerned about who is in hell? Why not worry about yourself?
7jem331 2 years ago 2
@StudentofKnowledge99 It does not state in the Quran that music is haram. Go get educated, honestly.
mizzLebanese 2 years ago 3
plural culture compost of the middle east!! haha!! I like the Sufis but stop lying about the plural culture compost of the middle east!!
bowezo 2 years ago
there is some "truth" to the assertion of music ...
know the String Theory ?
qshaarani 2 years ago
as much as i like sufism it has little to do with islam
varaioun 2 years ago
Sufism has a lot to do with Islam actually.
theemceemurdah 2 years ago 3
it is another fiqu. Anything our Prophet(saws) and his sahabah(ra) never did anad we do in the name of Islam is termed as a bidah'
AfgP0lice 2 years ago
@theemceemurdah "Sure it does" skeikh
MrTheYoussef 1 year ago
how can you say that when all the 4 madhab scholars imam abu hanifa ,shafie, malki,humbli they all studdied sufisim.
suffi11 2 years ago
Oh, and Wahhabism does? Please....
Portubella12458 2 years ago
Being a Sufi Muslim I ponder how and why you made such a statement?!
kikusdream 2 years ago
I saw this documentary when it was first aired on tv and what I took from it was the absolute devotion humans have to connect with God through music. We can all get academic about the details of it but the truth remains that music is a unifier and no words can describe anyone's relationship with God especially if they feel a connection with God through hearing, playing or singing music.
CantanteAnnie 2 years ago 4
Sufism is pre-Islamic, it was given an Islamic label for the sake of survival.
NimaSun 2 years ago 4
Can you please elaborate because I think you have no idea what Sufism is.
califab 2 years ago
Sufism is an Islamic mysticism!! It believes in purification of heart n intentions n love for 4 all!! It has its rules n regulations through which one can be among da blessed of the Prophet(SAW) and God. :)
artistdigital 2 years ago
this is complete garbage i listen to all kinds of mucis like hip hop rap trance rock etc but i dont claim its related to God even though sum freaks say its a sin that i listen to music at least i dont claim its religous this shit is outragous
mahagetit 2 years ago
their are also sects. The Kharijites are a sect that dates back to the early days of Islam. The only surviving branch of the Kharijites is Ibadism.
WALI504 3 years ago
i try to study islam in its entirety. it is in no way anybody position to judge a person way of life only Allah.
WALI504 3 years ago 2
The intro is a bit misleading. Not all Sufis claim to use music as an expression of mysticism. Zikr of the names of Allah, along with other spiritual connections with God (including music for some) is what sets Sufis apart. Also, orthodoxy and Sufism go hand in hand. An orthodox Muslim can be a Sufi, since the definition of Sufism is a little open. Sufism is not a seperate strand of Islam, but it is Islam, it is the spiritual aspect of Islam. You'll hear this from almost every Islamic scholar.
AhmedM85 3 years ago
"You'll hear this from almost every Islamic scholar."
Don't make me laugh!!!
What scholars?! Sufis?!
BlueGene1402 2 years ago
he is right. an nawawi, ghazali, abdul qadir jilani, hasan basri, ibn atallah askandari....all sufis.
most sufis (if not all) prohibit strings and winds and are extremely submitted to sharia
sshoaib786 2 years ago 2
What is the name of the instrument that the man is playing in the intro?
afkhajiit 3 years ago
tumbi
AhmedM85 3 years ago
I agree with the Sufi who uses music and dance to expression to the mystical ecstacy of living in the heart of God.
Great vid!
alchemistra 3 years ago
Many were also Qadis (Sharia law judges) in courts. They held that Sufism was never distinct from Islam and to fully comprehend and practice Sufism one must be an observant Muslim.
WALI504 3 years ago
Therefore, the Sharia (traditional Islamic law) and the Sunnah (customs of the Prophet) are seen as crucial for any Sufi aspirant. One proof traditional orders assert is that almost all the famous Sufi masters of the past Caliphates were experts in Sharia and were renowned as people with great Iman (faith) and excellent practice.
WALI504 3 years ago
I completely agree, along with mysticism. Sufi orders uphold the Qur'an and the Sunnah as the central aspect of Sufism.
AhmedM85 3 years ago 2
The traditional Sufi orders, which are in majority, emphasize the role of Sufism as a spiritual discipline within Islam.
WALI504 3 years ago 2
The Sufi movement has spanned several continents and cultures over a millennium, at first expressed through Arabic, then through Persian, Turkish, and a dozen other languages. Sufi orders, which are either Shi'a or Sunni in doctrine, trace their origins from the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad, through his cousin Ali, or from Abu Bakr.
WALI504 3 years ago
ibncab you are wrong is generally understood to be the inner, mystical dimension of Islam. A practitioner of this tradition is generally known as a Sūfī (صُوفِيّ), though some adherents of the tradition reserve this term only for those practitioners who have attained the goals of the Sufi tradition. Another name used for the Sufi seeker is dervish.
defined Sufism as "a science whose objective is the reparation of the heart and turning it away from all else but God."
WALI504 3 years ago
Is Imran Hosein a Sufi?
Should we listen to him and believe him?
I'm confused.
106419WTF 3 years ago
sufism or tasawwuf is a great prcatise of islam,but we are still orthodox muslims,if not stricter on islamic law,we dont listen to music, mix with women,and try to engage in as much worship as possible.sufism is about love,as islam is
chachaguji 3 years ago
I understand exactly what he is singing.......oh and its wonderfull
gurminder2005 3 years ago
care to share the meaning?:-)
xtraordinarymachine6 3 years ago
"Sajna bajon Zaat safa hun Isk dian,
Wakhri kundli ginke raatan Iski dian."
"Without my lover, love is absent from my chapter,
Without my lover, I count the lonely nights of Love."
It doesn't rhyme in English but, it does sound bloody heart moving in Punjabi. Also the way he sings it with that sorrow in his voice just carries and strikes his message harder and deeper (I hope that made sense at some level)
Cheers.
gurminder2005 3 years ago 2
oh dont worry i do listen to music in other lanuages and when i get the meaning in english it may not rhyme but it is beautiful so i know what u mean:-) thanks for sharing
xtraordinarymachine6 3 years ago
What a wonderfully interesting series- this Sufi Soul.Made more so by the brilliant narrative of William Dalrymple.
lulululu00 3 years ago
None of this is from Islaam!!!!!!
They are praying to Mary!!! They are dancing around in the mosque!!! Uncovered woman are dancing an singing!!! They are praying at Rumi's grave!!!
None of this is from the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Furthermore, he forbade doing what is shown in this video.
May Allaah guide these people.
ibncab 3 years ago
ameen.
im a sufi and it based on strictly adhering to the quran and sunnah, the murids of my shaykh dress according to the sunnah, have sunnah beards, and are very strict,and the women generally wear niqab. sufism is about the quran and sunnah.
imam malik, said who studies sufism without islamic law (fiqh) destroys his life, and this is what many sufis seem to be doing. he also said those who study fiqh without sufism destroy their deen! it may have been the other way round i forget!
chachaguji 3 years ago
I would have to actually see that statement from Imam Malik because I cannot believe that he would say such a thing, in the context that the Sufi's take the meaning to be.
Anyway, having studied Sufism for years when I first accepted Islaam, I would advice you against it because certain practices are not from Islaam. For example, every Sufi Tariqah believes in the 'unity of God' (wahdatul wujud) and this is not the concept of Allaah that was taught by the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
ibncab 3 years ago
And there are many other things. Mainly Sufism is just another form of extremism, in that they take certain aspects of Islaam to an extreme that is opposite of the violent extreme.
You say that Sufism is about the Qur'an and Sunnah, if that is so then why do you call yourself a Sufi, and why do you need something other than just the Qur'an and Sunnah?
ibncab 3 years ago
"whoever studies Jurisprudence [tafaqaha] and didn't study Sufism [tasawwaf] will be corrupted; and whoever studied Sufism and didn't study Jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will reach the Truth."
['Ali al-Adawi , vol. 2, p 195.]
chachaguji 3 years ago
We don't know the context of what he was talking about there. For example, you can read it as if he was talking about Sufism and meaning that if you studied both together, then you find the Truth, which is that Sufism has nothing to do with Islam.
ibncab 3 years ago
(comment 1)
"We were with Malik and his companions around him. A man from the people of Naseebeen said, "We have a people called Sufi's who eat a lot then they mention lines of poetry and then they stand up to dance?"
Malik (rahimahullaah) said, "Are they children?"
He said, "no."
ibncab 3 years ago
(comment 2)
Malik (rahimahullaah) said, "Are they possessed?"
He said, "no, they are elderly and usually sane (when they are not doing that)."
Malik (rahimahullaah) said, "I never heard anyone from the people of Islam doing this!!"
ibncab 3 years ago
(comment 3)
The man said, "rather they eat then they stand and dance. Some of them hitting their heads and some their faces." So Malik (rahimahullaah) laughed and then stood up and went to his house. The companions of Malik (rahimahullaah) said to the man you were fortunate with our companion since we sat with him for thirty odd years, we never saw him laugh except on this day."
ibncab 3 years ago
(comment 4)
Imam Tartoushi al-Maliki (451H-520H) was asked about the Sufi's so he said,
"The Madhab of the Sufi's is futile, ignorance, misguidance and it is not allowed for anyone who believes in Allaah and the last day to be present with them, nor to help them upon their baseless ways and this is the way of Malik, Abu Haneefah, ash-Shaf'ee and other than them from the scholars of the Muslims and to Allaah belongs success."
ibncab 3 years ago
(comment 5)
My point is not to debate or argue with you. Rather it is to show you that you are claiming that Imam Malik said one thing, while Imam Malik's actual followers, those upon the Maliki Madhab say the opposite.
ibncab 3 years ago
all the great imams of the past,even the four imams practiced tasawwuf.some say they didnt.
In the time of the Prophet, Tasawwuf was a reality without a name, today Tasawwuf is a name, but few know its Reality.
the concept of tasawwuf comes from ihsaan, mentioned the hadith jibrael a.s.
i dont think there is any benefit in this discussion,we have different views&i dont want to turn this into a debate.we may have different views,but were brothers,and brothers love 1 another.
salaam
chachaguji 3 years ago
I am angostic but so far I like this video.
DarkLordOfTheUnknown 3 years ago