Neil deGrasse Tyson: George Bush and Star Names

[Dweltpanic]

Bush was misunderestimated.

[HugoBossUnzipped]

gw never let a fact get in the way of his false ideology.

[illusionistik]

this guy just acts really goofy occasionally idk its just weird to me seen this in most of his videos.

[TheHatim1111]

I like this man

[tpstrat14]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson seems more like a comedian than an educator. He does the same bits over and over again, always expressing his opinion in a comedic way. I wonder if he knows anything about physics or astronomy that he would like the share with us....

[anessone]

@tpstrat14 go to his radio show

[pnickel000]

He is brilliant.

[JCmultiverse]

something worries me when a physicist gets into politics and religion...

[ieatwiteoutforfun]

@JCmultiverse Fuck you retard.

[JCmultiverse]

@ieatwiteoutforfun ...well.. that's far too cryptic... please expand on the clause.. thanks..

[jursle]

@JCmultiverse Why? Physics is the study of how the universe works. Knowledge about the universe is fundamental to all political policy, and to all religious dogma.

Of cuorse, religion frequently dismisses physics, and tries to keep its story consistent, regardless of the evidence, but it shouldn't.

Science is the best way we have yet devised to gain knowledge about things, and knowledge is fundamental to all things we do. Therefore, scientists should surely have a say in what goes on.

[JCmultiverse]

@jursle thanks.. I'm not so sure if anybody can answer a "WHY" question.. but that's an aside.. here goes .. Tyson goes on quite a bit about GOD , our GOD their GOD and Arabic names.. all meaningless trivia for a physicist who presumably dedicates his life to deep theoretical analysis .. I suppose we can slightly forgive Tyson because he's into macro-astro physics which has more to do with empiricism.. ... I was uncomfortable because Tyson was attempting to entertain rather than enlighten..jc

[szeeck]

@JCmultiverse It's fair to be be uncomfortable, but as an atheist I have probably read more of the bible than most Christians. Working my way to the Quran. Tyson is probably similar, sure we may be incredibly scientific people (I'm an Engineer), but I find religion fascinating and thus try to be informed on the subject. I am sure Tyson is the same. And to your "theoretical analysis" bit, to us, we treat religion as a theoretical analysis on reality. Food for thought :)

[lewisner]

@szeeck If you could tap into the part of human brain which makes people believe religion you could probably be the richest man on Earth. They'd buy anything from you.

[4LackOfaBetterNam3]

@lewisner fear.

[twilitprince]

@lewisner

:see scientology

[Th3Champ95]

It's so depressing seeing this and thinking we may have been so much more advanced right now if religion didn't plunge us into the dark ages.

[Anon12356]

Europe was in the dark ages for many reasons, including Christianity. It also had to fight off constant invasions from Muslims though, and if we didn't have Christianity we would have had Islam. And then we would have never come out of the Dark Ages. Islam has still not reformed.

[gosillygirl]

christians were killing and burning women alive.

[Katalyzt]

★★★★★

[ttopperr]

Are Brides and Venereal diseases the exception to the old adage of, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas"?

[miankd]

This stand up comic would make a great scientist.

[Mrjameslat]

Yes this is true, however what God named the stars isn't what man would of named them. Did he consider that?

[jStevieO]

....have watched all of his wonderfully enlightening ,amuseing ,intelligent videos ....and this is the first one with image and sound problems !!! ??? MMMMmmmnn???

[miankd]

Did I mention Tyson is my personal hero?

[MrRasnarok]

Is he a scientist or stand up comic?!

[samusssbm85]

@MrRasnarok I just had the same thought

[GreatExterminator]

@MrRasnarok He's both!

[DarkSilver19]

where can i watch the full vid of this???

[visceralgristle]

You can't possibly be that stupid.

Wait, what am I saying? Of course you are.

[2logical]

Dude, he is. He posted a video on his youtube page about dogs he considers "horny". He is truly that stupid. Proof is on his page.

[Zay151]

George W. Bush = ,,|,,

[ssahmad]

Where is the rest home slice?

[TheMadD0G]

I also heard that different religions worship the same god, and there was just a different prophet for each. Of course I dont know for a fact if this is true or not, and neither do you. There is no way to know until possibly when we are dead. And maybe not even then.

[smaakjeks]

@TheMadD0G

Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship their own version of the god of Abraham. Not that the deplorable story of Abraham is a great way to kick off the new religions or anything. But, of course, there are more religions than those three, and they are not rooted in the god of Abraham.

[ssahmad]

Allah is just the arabic word for G-d. Thats all. Arab Christians have been envoking Allah before english was even a language.

[princeofdrit]

where the heck is the full version

[smaakjeks]

@princeofdrit

I think you have to buy the DVD. I'm pretty sure this is from TAM6. Just google "TAM6 DVD" and click on the first link. That'll take you to Randi's site where you can buy the DVD.

[hellomate639]

Wow! I think I found the missing link between man and ape! Its you!

[hameyez]

that is an insult both to man and ape.

[hellomate639]

Wait, yeah you're right. I think that comment was actually made by a steaming pile of shit that decided it could walk, talk and type.

[John23476489]

he needs his own talk show.

[keeperkai999]

@John23476489 he should be a fking comedian....

I'm just saying... he could be a very good one...

[StandingRedPanda]

@John23476489 Actually he already has his own radio show. Google/yahoo "startalk radio neil degrasse tyson" and you should get something. There are 2 seasons in the Archive :D

[anessone]

@John23476489 he does its called startalk radio or something its pretty cool

[torontoBluejays87]

@John23476489 He is hosting the updated cosmos series in 2012....provided the world doesn't end! :)

[isizinyo]

@John23476489 He has. It's called Startalk radio. You can get the podcast from iTunes

[chemalurgy1]

He said that he heard it while visiting the White House. Why would that be on the internet?

[kazns]

what happened with the millenium hotel? (dunno)

[ShwaNerd]

Its still there, I don't think it was damaged (maybe some broken windows or something). But now, with the world trade centers gone, the hotel IS the tallest building you can see on that southern tip of the island. Its like only half the height that the WTC were, or less.

[micahbrown18360]

I did a yahoo and a google search for the george bush quote "Our god is the god who named the stars" The only thing I found were references to this video.

I don't believe that it is a legitimate quote.

[SoNickPick]

micahbrown18360, I have no idea why anyone would mark your comment down, because you seem to be correct. I did the same search, using different wordings of the phrase and found no reference to George W Bush using it after 9-11. That quote ("He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names") is taken from psalm 147. Bush did quote extensively from psalm 23 on that day though("Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me")

[ProgHead777]

And if George W. Bush had quoted Psalm 147 it must be on the internet somewhere. Right? I mean, there's just no conceivable way that something could occur in the physical universe and NOT be recorded faithfully on the internet and indexed precisely by Google for your instant, convenient perusal via simple keyword search. Right?

When you start to think the internet is the actual WORLD, it's time to unplug for a little while.

[MagnusIan]

Neil deGrasse Tyson actually meant to say East Room, not East Wing, but whatever. Great video. :)

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

5 stars & favorited.

[PlayT0E]

While the Christians gave up science and plunged Europe into the dark ages, Muslims pursued science and named the stars (and the Arabic numbers).

Then after 300 years of success, they ended their pursuit of science and became backward religious fundamentalists.

Now the USA has had 300 years of science study and became great. But the religious fundamentalists want to toss out science and replace it with bible stories.

[JezeroCraterDweller]

Sir. Why are you not in Office. I am dead serious, if we had more people like you in office, we'd have a better country. Thank you so much for saying exactly what needs to be said.

[JezeroCraterDweller]

Lol.

[AustralianAstronomer]

A more historically accurate statement would be, "named the Hindu-Arabic numbers." The glyphs in use today (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) are derived from Brahmi numerals that were lated adapted by Arab and Persian mathematicians. These were introduced into Europe by Leonardo of Pisa (Fibonacci) in the 12th century, which eventually replaced the Roman numeral system. Also, the Europeans established The Scientific Revolution, The Renaissance, The Enlightenment and founded many world renowned Universities.

[PlayT0E]

We should also recognize that the Brahmi numerals (and some of their math) were derived from the earlier Chinese numeral system that used 1to9 and a very strict digit placement rather than a 0 placeholder.

[lemonrind]

@PlayT0E I hope we can prevent a second dark age. I'd like to think that our advanced technology will inspire enough people to stand against superstition, but the Romans were technologically advanced too, and it didn't help them.

[jojoinhere]

@PlayT0E well, have to go back to europe again i guess. maybe asia..

[Ricky156]

@PlayT0E You mean Western Europe. Eastern Europe still had the Eastern Roman Empire. Also the Christians as a whole did not give up science as least not in the Church. The only institution at the time that supported natural philosophy was the church and many popes supported education. It was seen that to understand nature was to understand God. This idea was no different among the Arabs then among Christians.

Also what is Arabic numbers is Indian numerals also. Among Greek and Latin too.

[PlayT0E]

@Ricky156 The Christians decided to CONTROL science and knowledge permitting only the scientific learning that would not conflict with their teachings.

As soon as new science began proving them wrong it was suppressed (Galileo Galilei).

The dark ages were caused by the Christians.

[Ricky156]

@PlayT0E The Dark Ages was caused by numerous events. The fall of the Western Roman Empire, among the civil wars that broke out between the fraction of Germanic tribes, that where Pagan's among Averian Christian later on. Hyperinflation plagued the Empire that to a caste system. Not till the crowning by Pope Leo the III of Charles the Great that actual conversion's start in Europe. Also you will have to explain which Christians and stop looking at Western Europe. Part 1

[Ricky156]

@PlayT0E Byzantine Empire was Christian run and they sure where doing fine outside of the 4th century and 12th century onward. Seeing as they where the Roman Empire in the "Dark Ages" that lasted till 1453.

This reminds me of the same argument by Edward Gibbon who wrote, "Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire". Mainly on the issue that Christians caused the Dark Ages and the Fall of the Roman Empire, which like Gibson as good of book as it is lacks citation of proof. Back it up.

[Ricky156]

@PlayT0E It's sorta obvious that a religion or accurately a sect of a religion that crowns rulers to give sovereignty and legitimacy of rule would have a monopoly on information.

I know , because what always was is and static and does not change with time. Polices for education was largely influenced by Charles the Great and ordered much of the Church's resources to scribe Greek to Latin text among stabilization's of text that was preserved and started the Carolingian Renaissance.

[keeperkai999]

@Ricky156 yeah and where do you get your history facts? in the bible?

christians DID suppress knowledge and science, END OF STORY.

AND THEY STILL TRY TO, JUST LOOK AT EVERY STUPID RELIGIOUS COMMENT ON YOUTUBE IN ANY ASTRONOMY RELATED VIDEO.

AND THERE ARE STILL STUPID FKS WHO THINK BAD THINGS HAPPENED TO HAITI BECAUSE OF SOME RELIGIOUS REASON, WHO MIGHT THAT BE?

there's a site called wikipedia you know?

[Ricky156]

@keeperkai999 You could stop committing fallacies when your ready to debate.

You're no better then the next person when it comes to other religions; and have no right to group everyone into the same group decreeing that they all think and act the same. Also, no. It it's not end of story because if you even bothered to read your source as you cited Wikipedia and not flaunt it off as the typical, "I'm right you're wrong" you would have read the history of science page.

Part 1

[Ricky156]

@keeperkai999

I also don't see how I could get my sources from the Holy Bible or any version that you wish for. Seeing how it makes no accounts of any story telling outside of the fiery wrath of God of a given time. The Bible makes no statements in regards to of how the Christian religion would setup teaching for nobles and monks. All these where from decrees from Charles the Great, Constantine's Edict of Malian to Pope Benedict. This and among the various people who studied in their fields.

[miankd]

@Ricky156 That's pretty incorrect. Many many Greek philosophers writings were banned (by the church) from being read or translated in the middle ages. Muslims translated and improved on them however, because back then (and before all of the fundamentalism crap surfaces), Science and religion were considered as parallel domains as they should be,and that's very different from the concurrent christian view of science.

[keeperkai999]

@PlayT0E hahahahha yeah, in seems that it's a cycle... after pursuing science for a while people go back to being stupid...

How do we explain that?

[philhunter2005]

@PlayT0E Funny how history repeats itself. When will we ever learn.

[Schutzstaffel23]

@PlayT0E it was one man and i forget his name, but he said. Mathmatics is the work of the devil. or something similar. after that point the middle east region as you said made backwords progress.

[miankd]

@Schutzstaffel23 You are probably thinking of "alghazali" and that is true. It is however not the full story.

[Schutzstaffel23]

@miankd yes thank you. It did help influence a lot though. either way, it was very dumb lol.

[miankd]

@Schutzstaffel23 I just noticed that you subscribed to Husky's channel. I am hooked too.

[HyperColours]

@PlayT0E The Muslims did not end the Golden Age. The Christians Crusaders did that in 1095. If the Nights Templar had not start a Holy War against the Muslims Baghdad would have become the center of the world as it was then.

[Anon12356]

@PlayT0E

You are wrong about Muslims. Muslims did NOT come up with "Arabic" numerals. Hindus did, Arabs got them from the Hindus and started using them. When the Europeans came into contact with the Arabs they learnt them from the Arabs and ASSUMED that the Arabs had discovered them. They were wrong. Look it up.

Yes, some stars were named by people who happened to be Arabs. And there was an Iranian guy who translated Greek and Hindu information into Arabic. That was it.

[IoEstasCedonta]

@Anon12356 Well, there was that Muslim "Algoritmi" guy, but what did HE ever give us?

...wait.

[Anon12356]

@IoEstasCedonta

I did actually reference him (not by name though) in my comment. He did good translations and built upon mathematics from greeks and hindus. Most of the claims attributed to him are false though, he didn't "invent" algorithms or algebra, and the modern numerical system certainly was not discovered by Muslims (it was hindus).

As I did reference him I think your comment is irrelevant and I doubt you fully read mine.

[IoEstasCedonta]

@Anon12356 He wrote two major books - one was essentially just a textbook on Indian developments, but the second was his own contribution (indeed, many Indian advances are ignored in it for accessibility). Due to this book we came to the word "algorithm" and its cognates, its methods being more broadly applicable than the Indian.

Of course "Arabic" numerals are Indian. I never suggested otherwise. And as to building on the Greeks and Hindus - what, should he have started from scratch?

[LeKryon]

So, how did it come to be that 2/3 of named stars have arabic names?

[khoavuong]

Neil explains it in this video (copy and paste)

/watch?v=5wROgKV_ULg

[Hellooo20]

where I could download whole video of this meeting??

[lehman]

I'm sure it will be for sale.

[AmazingMeetingVideos]

You can purchase the full length DVD of this on the foundations website. Email me for details at this channel.

Rich Montalvo

Media Manager

[copyvio]

Is the sound this crappy on the DVD?