Republican Presidential Debate Rochester Michigan November 9, 2011 (6/11)

[SMILEY7414]

hey leave ron paul alone, rick ferry!

[Rhofactor]

Wow, Newt needs to shut the fuck up

[fifthgear93]

Ron Paul FTW!

[VoiceOfModeration]

More politicians have to have the guts to say SS is a ponzi scheme

[montezoma]

fucking 9-9-9

[stuff822]

@montezoma 9-9-9 raises taxes and adds taxes where there weren't any. Cain is a great business man and would maybe make a great financial adviser, or v.p., but he lacks political skills and isn't very knowledgeable on foreign policy.

[2729383]

@montezoma Lol

[kqaafe]

I liked Newts "college in the ozark"...

[kqaafe]

I'm an Independent & Newt and Ron Paul are on point. I'm learning a lot..

[fadinweed]

Bad Cards: Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, Jon Huntsman

Good Cards: Mitt Romney, Hermann Cain

[druids84]

Cain: 999, 999, 999, 999, 999, 999, 999, 999, 999, 999, 999, 999

Backman: Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama....

Perry: Emmm... hmm.. Oooops!

The only three candidates to even sticking to the point (random order) are Gingrich, Huntsman and Paul.

[mennyus]

holy shit!! china is in the win if any if these mummies get elected. you thought education in the u.s. was bad now? follow any of these idiots' policies, that seemingly can't even recall going to university, and the consequences will be disastrous

[JohnMirov]

When I look at the eyes of Roomney, Perry, and Backman, all I see is emptiness. It seems that Ron Paul is the only one who is honest, and I can hear it in his voice.

[JohnJancar]

You know, the more I listen to these guys, and study things..the more one thing becomes clear.....what we need is an ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM. The system we have now is unsustainable, because the way the monetary system is set up is fundamentally FLAWED. And all this patchwork these guys are talking about simply will not work in the long run. I hope Greece and Italy collapse, so the EU can collapse, and trigger a worldwide collapse, so we can just START FRESH with something entirely new and better.

[Tanarus20]

9:02 he's right people... The welfare state is coming to a close weather we care to admit it or not. There simply wont be any money to fund it anymore in the coming years...get a skill

[rwilhoit]

Bachmann has no understanding of the ecomony... She says that "baby boomers" are in their peak spending years... tell her to look at H.S. Dent's report and the spending habits through a typical life span, and at the age of 50+ you are at your lowest spending for the rest of your life... And that is why she fails...

[daibar]

I was surprised to see Bachmann come on the other side of the tax cuts in favour of more fiscally responsible behaviour.

[cinematicist]

These moderators are awesome!

Nothing like the ratings-hunting CNN guys.

[gottenjet]

By having students loans, we are better educated then thoes who don't because we have more time to focus on our classes, we aquire skills that make us more competitive in the market today. That house of speaker is just speaking jiberish, I think the man is undergoing the itis. He needs to do some p90x, brother is lose in the cage.

[ASKSAMMY101]

what college is he talking about... i want to go!!!

[enjoiwrx]

Damn that Maria is such a bitch! Who would marry that? How dare she cough/laugh at Congressman Paul when he speaks the truth and has the most logic. She needs to be burned at the stake with all the MSM bozos who munipulate the masses.

[MrLaxbro1996]

@enjoiwrx hey chickita you got some anger management issues you should probably go get that checked out get some prozac or some shit

[needstoregister]

I'd love to see a lincoln-douglas debates as Gingrich suggests. These Republican "debates" aren't really debates at all... more like Q&A sessions.

[eamonearly]

• Romney is a puppet for the 1% terrorists in state of Israel and goldman sachs central bankers

Israel attacked AMERICA during LAVON AFFAIR, USS LIBERTY (34 soliders DEAD, 174 WOUNDED for LIFE), King David Hotel, Rachel Corrie, 9/11 (vans of mossad agents arrested!). WAKE UP.

Iran has attacked America - ZERO TIMES. Iranian Jews don’t even take money from Israel to emmigrate!!

How many times has corporate owned CIA attacked IRAN? hmm...remember Operation Ajax?! Wake up.

WAKE UP!RON PAUL 2012

[Chiscringle]

So, Mr. Cain, you believe that the free market knows best but you also want to enact legislation to effectively ban them from buying from people you don't want them to? At least Dr. Paul is consistent in his economics.

[Scuderiaferre]

ever notice that the other candidates don't have the eccentric supporters that write on youtube or really support them at all?

[tzvishlmn1]

@Scuderiaferre Nope...they are just well adjusted people who have lives

[tzvishlmn1]

ever notice that the people who always write comments are ron paul supporters because generally ron paul supporters are generally eccentric to the point of being borderline mentally ill and have very little to do with their lives but write blogs and comment on youtube videos

[ca1cifer]

@tzvishlmn1 you do realize that you just put yourself in that catagory of youtube commenters too right?

[denoinwa]

At these Republicans recognize what has been an unmitigated disaster, unlike many clueless Americans. 

[thelovenkitten]

I can't stand Rick Perry

[MrLaxbro1996]

@thelovenkitten i can't stand any of them

[FactChecking101]

Why don't liberals get that easy money like easy student loans causes the prices to skyrocket? If you have to spend your own money you are far more cautious then when you spend debt dollars. Schools often set their rate at the maximum the students can borrow instead of at what they actually need to operate or what the students can actually afford.

[madnero12]

Idiots: wanna be smart then support Newt Gingrich. He is wise, bold and knows how to fix things, since he has done it in the past.

[Herbaver]

I'm starting college next year. Does that mean if one of these assholes throws out the department of education then i won't be able to get government grants to pay for college?? if so, then fuck that shit, Obama 2012!

[gatorman1067]

@Herbaver Colleges today are absoloutely flooded with a bunch of clueless, pants on the ground, hip hop listening, wanna be gang bangers and marginally litterate clowns...a college degree is a dime a dozen these days...Thats' why you're seeing hundreds of thousands of "college graduates" unable to find jobs, and Obamatards like you will be included in those numbers....Grants or no grants.........

[Herbaver]

@gatorman1067 Are you saying I should just not go to college? I'm trying to be a pilot

[LordKaisen]

@gatorman1067 My guess is your a clueless, jobless, degreeless fool. Are there people who don't deserve to go to college with their attitude? you bet. Are ALL of them like that? No you incompetent moron.

[Fsaulinsky]

@Herbaver

"I'm starting college next year. Does that mean if one of these assholes throws out the department of education then i won't be able to get government grants to pay for college?? if so, then fuck that shit, Obama 2012!"

Sure, vote Obama and get your free college, free health insurance and subsidized housing but don't complain when you're still jobless and camping out at Zuccotti park a year after you graduate.

Asking for Spain and you'll get Spanish employment levels.

[maniswil2]

Rick Perry is seriously going out of his way to imitate Bush, the man is on a mission to be a mental midget. The same hand gestures even...

[pogularocky]

Mr. Hermanator... The tax code does not send jobs overseas... It is the stupid Unions and Wage regulations that drive manufacturing costs up and push companies overseas for cheaper labor... Dumbass can't think beyond his simcity tax plan on any question... He probably shouts 999 when his wife asks him for the time... Absolute dumbass!

[MrLaxbro1996]

@pogularocky did you here how he came up with the plan he was sexually harassing a german chick and she was going NEIN NEIN NEIN (NO NO NO in german)

[pogularocky]

@MrLaxbro1996 LOL

[natrllifter]

Cain says that the Tax Code is why business go over seas? No it is the regs in regard to EPA and all that crap. A smart business man I knew that owned the company I work for always said that he does not pay taxes. The consumer pays taxes. Taxes are just passed down with just raising prices. Manufacturers do not pay taxes. So he said if a politician talks raising or lower them don't vote for him as he is just playing us.

[natrllifter]

Bachmann Says we are in real trouble. This is why Ron Paul wants to cut so much because we have to do this now. Europe is failing and we are worse shape but the Fed just prints more paper to slow the demise. We are looking at massive inflation!!!

[NilouRocks]

Perry looks like he just came off of a serious coke binge.

[MrScoopclarkify]

So Brian Mccarthy i am niave for thinking that Ron Paul is the best man for the job, So what would should I say about anyone who thinks that these other clowns, and snakes in the grass would do a better job, do your research and stop repeating stuff you heard someone else say. Not one of these guys is for a small government, not one of these guys is willing to end the war, not one of these guys holds our government accountable for the failed banks, failed housing, failed medical.

[UbErIriSh]

If Youtube decided, Ron Paul would already be president, where are these people on election day?

[funk7000]

Gingrich's answer about student loan debt was the best

[pitgirl13]

cutting the workforce by 10% is not the answer. They'll do that then complain about a lack of jobs. Everyone thinks that govt jobs are just office jobs with overpaid employees. In MA they are cutting nursing and direct care for developmental disabilities.

[1badmonster]

@pitgirl13

1) In 1946 there was a big outcry about cutting the federal government by 30%. The Keynesian types were predicting ruin, but what happened was an economic boom, and the actual recovery from the Great Depression.

2) In regard to nursing and developmental disabilities, if there is an actual market demand, then there will be jobs, but subsidizing anything only leads to less wealth, and thus more people being hurt by misallocation.

[mrbrianmccarthy]

Ron Paul made a great point about College debt being out of control. IMO,College is a huge scam.The tuition costs are WAY out of control,and many people who get a college degree still end up either with no jobs or working at a job where they didnt need the degree in the first place---and they have a gigantic debt that takes them decades in many cases to repay. College today is a joke..

[onomuknub]

Herman Cain and fellow GOPers, if the top marginal tax rate has gone down consistently under Dems and Republicans since the 1980s and in that same time we've seen a mass exodus of jobs to China and other 3rd world countries, how do you account for that? Also, regulations have been removed by Reagan, Bush I and II and yet jobs continued to leave the US. Unless US corporations pay US workers cents a day, you can't compete with slave labor overseas

[onomuknub]

plenty of people take a long time to get through school not because they're relying on student loans and are therefor lazy, but because they don't want to take out loans, they try to pelgrants or scholarships but school is still expensive and they have jobs and kids to deal with. Others are lazy because they're not paying for school, their parents are. Stop blaming the government for everything and praising the private sector.

[motox3rider13]

Liberal media does it again; interrupts cold hard facts because it attacks their political parties failures. People can say Fox news is right wing but that is only because they're not left wing. They're the most center media group out there and would never treat anyone as rudely and/or maliciously in a debate as CNBC has.

[WailmerHater]

Lol Gingrich would reference a liberal arts christian college.

[tayeule124]

Paul/Gingrich ticket ftw!

[OceanTheViking]

What is with all the Ron Paul cocksucking going on?

[bellison89]

Gingrich's comment about paying for college while at college is bullshit. I did exactly what he said, working part time during the year and fulltime during the summers AND winter break, and the most I ever made was 8,500 a year. I took an average of 6 classes a semester, which averages 65-70 work hours a week, on top of 20 hours (if I could get that many shifts) at a local Subway. I worked 90 hour weeks and still couldnt pay for school. Tuition at the private college I went to was 50,000 a year.

[motox3rider13]

@bellison89 You need to look into his statement a little further and not jump to conclusions. He knows the hours obviously wouldn't pay every penny of tuition and boarding. What he's saying is rather than the school worry about giving out loans, they put the students to work at the school which is more cost effective and profitable for the school because the risk of not getting paid for the loans doesn't exist and they've created a labor/tuition trade-off.

[motox3rider13]

@bellison89 Continued...under that schools policy, you would have worked the same hours there as you have while at your current school yet you would have ZERO student loan debt after graduating. Now tell Newt that his comment is BS; it would be a way better plan for you.

[bellison89]

@motox3rider13 the school he is referencing is some shitty liberal arts school. They probably only charge about 8k a year for tuition and board in the first place. The real issue is that good education is becoming prohibitively expensive, and you arnt going to force or convince any private institutions to accept a couple thousand dollars worth of work study in the school bookstore as payment for what normally costs 200k. In that scenario you are expecting the schools to pickup the debt.

[bellison89]

@motox3rider13 in your previous post you mention it is risky for schools because they might not get paid back. Most student loans are taken out with the government or with a bank. The school gets paid up front, there is no risk. Newts plan, as you see it, is essentially forcing schools to lower their tuition to 8k a year and suggesting students work that off while they are there.

[SuperTopReviews]

CNBC is SOOO F#%@ING RUDE!!!!!

[LeviDanielBarnes]

4:25 Yeah. President Obama has two whole years to turn around the worst economy since 1931. Talk about failed leadership! We definitely need some tax breaks for rich folks, and fast.

[ianlang7]

"What would you do to fix the education system?"

"I know what I wouldn't do, and that's what Obama did."

"How would you fix the housing market?"

"I wouldn't do what Obama did!"

"What car do you drive?"

"I'll tell you what car I wouldn't drive, and that's Obama's car!"

"What did you have for breakfast this morning?"

"I didn't have what Obama had, that's for sure!"

[drethegreat64]

@ianlang7 LOL

[Ken1Nickels1]

@ianlang7 Well, if you are a liberal, then you always frame the role of government as a body that has to DO something. And the something, as we should all know by now, is more of the same - the one trick pony of liberalism. Spend spend spend. This is pathology. Insanity. Conservatives, trying hard to counter this, frame it in the negative, as in the Hippocratic Oath, 'First, do no harm.' They don't want government to DO things. They want them to STOP doing things. Get it?

[ca1cifer]

@Ken1Nickels1 ianlang7 didn't say anything for or against what you said. All ianlang7 said is that a lot of these candidates sound like broken records and not hard to see why.

[ianlang7]

@Ken1Nickels1

Look up Hoover's response to the Great Depression. You'll find that his largely hands off approach was a disaster. He expected volunteers to rise up, for businesses to act on their own, with no reins. It wasn't till he started being active that things turned around, to be continued by FDR. The conservatives view to do nothing does exactly that. Nothing.

Now, can gov't get out of control? Sure. Gov't should always know they work for us and they should be reminded constantly.

[Fsaulinsky]

@ianlang7

No Ian check the history after his election FDR piled on huge amount of government which caused the 2nd big slide into the great depression, causing it to last last until the war pulled us out, saving his reputation. I realize that this isn't what they taught you in school but keep an open mind and examine the facts.

[ianlang7]

@Fsaulinsky

I am not incorrect. Gov't plans that helped infuse businesses with capitol and helped Americans with housing started moving things in the right direction. This began towards the late part of Hoover, leaving economists to state it was "little, too late". FDR followed through with the rest of the plan, continuing on with the New Deal. You are right about the War being the final part that pushed us into recovery. It was the gov't paying for the war that helped, not sitting idly by.

[ianlang7]

@Fsaulinsky (second part due to the limit on characters)

It was the rollback of the "reflation" (to steal the term) of gov't to America that caused the slide back into another recession. Not the fact that he spent money.

Again, we can ask "How much is too much? And how is our gov't spending it?" What we cannot say is that doing nothing will give us pleasant results.

[LordKaisen]

@ianlang7 lol

[JohnMirov]

@ianlang7

Genius :)

[sophis0611]

aliens could be invading and somehow that'd tie into obamacare.

[stinkyflea]

ok lets say that happens. government pulls out of edu. realistically, how much will the price of a top 1-500 university go down? how about a state? would it be safe to say 50%? so you have a student 2012 that is 40k in debt from 4 years at cal state uni vs the 2014 student in debt 20k. same university/degree. you have this gap. how do you motivate the 2012 student to pay off their loan when its only worth half? wouldnt it resemble a bubble? how do you ensure it doesnt reverse in 8 years?

[MrScoopclarkify]

All these clowns are just coping what Ron Paul is saying because he makes sense and the people see it, but not one but Ron Paul is actually planning on going through with it. Cause once in power there not held accountable.

[mrbrianmccarthy]

@MrScoopclarkify No offense,but do you really think Ron Paul is going to be able to follow thru on all of his promises? End the FED? Really? By himself?the Fed is ENTRENCHED in our government and society,and Its going to take more than a change of presidents to remove the tentacles of the FED from our govt and financial system.Dont get me wrong,I'm all for getting rid of the FED,but if you think electing Ron Paul will solve the problem,youre just as naive as the Obambots were in 2008.

[brenglea]

Cain is totally right. I am going to start putting my investments into foreign bonds and gold..things that hold value, because at the level I am being taxed now, what happens to me when inflation really hits the fan and I have a bunch of useless dollar bills.. now, i don't know about his 999 deal, but when it comes to money overseas...it is definitely because taxes are too high here.

[danz177]

Perry just speaks and words come out of his mouth. They don't make any sense but he says them.

[diamondthree]

I pulled a Rick Perry - my last post should have "they're" not "their"

[Perle3456]

I don't want to offend anyone, but as the debate continues Rick Perry tends to slur his speech, sort of mumbling like he's getting tired....perhaps it's due to his Texan accent.

[Perle3456]

@ slaphap23 Newt Gingrich is impressiv.

[slaphap23]

WOW finally some one says it.....Newt from 9:00 to 10:32 the change that is on the way, along with what students today have NEVER learned from GOVERNMENT run, public teacher unionised, everionmental/scocialst activits schools! Get in, get it done, pay as you go. Most every student DREAMS of being debt free upon graduating from college. I have been a Cain supporter, Newt Genrich just WON my VOTE and support! 

[pmdy44]

taxpayers aren't responsible for student loans.. students are you can not wipe away student loans under any circumstance. Focus on the trillion in other sectors instead of making a stupid young generation of Americans

[pmdy44]

People are clapping at him wanting to withdraw loans from students...? Our future? how are people going to go to college then?

[diamondthree]

@pmdy44 they will pay for it with money. Is this a difficult concept?

Removing federal student loans will (re)create a competitive market for student loans, and pressure colleges to lower prices to keep the hallways populated. This will create competition between colleges, and when prices balance out the competition will spill over into quality competition instead.

Not to mention that federal student loans have lower interest rates and deferred schedules (sometimes interest free!) cont'd

[pmdy44]

@diamondthree but in the meantime before colleges are 'pressured' to lower prices millions of students will be out of college...unemployed and now uneducated

[diamondthree]

@pmdy44 don't blame Ron Paul for trying to fix what someone else broke. It won't be Ron Paul's fault that a rough, difficult transition period is necessary (and it is necessary). Blame the guy who hatched the whole failed idea to begin with.

[diamondthree]

@diamondthree re-read my post. that's not what i said.

Taxpayers aren't responsible for student loans. their responsible for the loan profits for the bank.

[danz177]

@diamondthree I'm with you, everyone's looking for an easy way out and there isn't any. It's going to be a rough year or two with Ron Paul, with the other Candidates you'll see the end of the Republic the destruction of the middle class, a lowering of the living standards of all Americans, an increase in poverty levels & pain & suffering whilst the Banksters laugh and plot their Global oppressive government.

[pmdy44]

@diamondthree Not just Ron Paul I like what Ron Paul is doing HOWEVER, education department is not that simple because it would be a devastating affect... And whoever started it, has family without federal loans, pointing fingers isn't going to help the middle class get a higher education

[diamondthree]

@pmdy44 these lower rates and deferments aren't banks being generous - it's the American taxpayer paying the difference between what a normal competitive loan would generate in revenue for the bank, and what the federally mandated loan terms generate in revenue.

[usmc2ndtanks]

There Education plans stink with out those loans the majority of students would not be able to afford college. Them all having money would not understand how it is for someone like me who came from a single parent home who lived on 15,000 dollars a year. Federal student loans are the only way I can afford to go to college No one will loan someone who makes 15k a year a loan for 13,000 dollars a year to cover college cost even with good credit.

[olmoscd]

My god its frustrating hearing so many non-answer. Side-stepping, back-peddling and political rhetoric in their purest form. Why can no candidate provide intelligible, technical answers?

[MrChrisdube]

Ron Paul and Newt are the only ones who seem to have a clue.

[MrChrisdube]

Rick Perry, please get out already!

[MrChrisdube]

What are any of them saying about the upcoming stock market bubble?

[Yogue7]

Cain should sell pizza. Every time he says 9-9-9; I get hungry.

[stinkyflea]

so true. My 40$ a month phone plan with sprint will be paid exactly the same way my $30,000 a year tuition at USC.

[joshuabreen]

@stinkyflea you could of chosen a cheaper school or a career field that will pay off 120k in college debt..

[stinkyflea]

@joshuabreen considering that I was accepted to Cornell (which would have cost me 80,000 per year -w/ room &board), I did take the cheaper route. secondly, I did change my career field from cinema to diplomacy in multi lateral relations. hopefully, my work study program at the UN summer 2012 will give me the connections I need to make it all worth it. I guess this is the price I pay for working hard in school.

[joshuabreen]

@stinkyflea Why work hard for something that won't payoff...those schools are great if you want to be a neuro surgeon but CINEMA??!!!! My wife's dad went to Cornell Law and she was accepted there for undergrad....unless it costs you 40k a year in spending habits...its not 80k a year...and a little heads up working for any diplomacy major isn't the road to riches....I have a high school diploma and make high 6 figures...college was a waste of time and money

[stinkyflea]

@joshuabreen like I said, I didnt go for cinema. so relax. yes, it is 40k a year. then you have to pay rent, transportation, books, visiting home, food and everything else that comes along with living in upstate new york. did your wife go or did she just do what you did and rely on her high school diploma. thats great that you make a high 6 figs but you have to accept that you are an exception to what happens to most people with only high school diplomas. otherwise, my parents would be like you.

[quarks2galaxies]

@stinkyflea I think you're misunderstanding what Congressman Paul is saying here. He's saying that if you remove the government from education and allow market competition, the price of education will go down and we will no longer need things like government student loan programs. It is competition that allows things like cell phones and computers to be sold at relatively low rates.

[stinkyflea]

@quarks2galaxies he may be right. it could work. but I think there would have to be a lot more of an explanation to get neutral voters and young voters to support that idea. if that doesnt happen, he can come off as out of touch and just preaching to the choir. Id like to hear more on how he intends to execute that plan and how far would we see tuition go down and how long it would take.

[Origin305]

@stinkyflea

Price goes down when you get the government out of the way.

[stinkyflea]

@Origin305 then government shouldn't give access to public schools. pull out of funding that and let parents just pay for their own kids school.

[Mackberserk]

@stinkyflea Ron's point, which you clearly missed, was that tuition wouldn't be so damn expensive if the government wasn't continuously driving up the costs over the years. That said, I don't in any way support Ron Paul...

[stinkyflea]

@Mackberserk I get the point. its just as a student paying my USC tuition with no help from parents (they believe that if they help me even co-sign a loan theyre giving me some sort of hand out so I work for everything by myself with no help aside from some scholarships), I have questions relating to Ron's point and instead of those questions being answered, I get the main point being repeated to me.

[jsbethke]

Gingrich is right, but too harsh on the students. We can't blame the kids doing what the situation let's them do.  When you're young, you're stupid. What's the excuse of the adults in charge?

[bigdman07]

One of the main reason company took these business over sea is because the federal government pay them to take business there thinking that if they make more money with cheaper prices that they would bring it back home to the U.S. but they did not instead they saw how good it was looking and took money out the U.S. and that a nice way not to pay taxes just ask G.E they know

[bigdman07]

PAYROLL Tax and Bush tax cut  left in place who pays for that

[childofthemarshalsea]

Herman Cain is completely clueless. The main reason why US companies have relocated overseas is not because of high taxes or too much regulation in the US, it is because China and these other nations have much lower wages. His response to that question was absolutely stupid. If wages are not the problem, then why don't US companies pay Chinese workers US wages? Yes, we should vote for someone who talks down to us.

[polishclark]

Haha you gotta love just how dumb Perry is. "115 trillion in unfunded liabilities". Who would have guessed that social security, medicare, and medicaid are almost twice as large as the entire world's GDP?

[nemirn]

@polishclark

When does he say that?  I want to LOL, too!

[polishclark]

@nemirn start at like 11:04 and watch to 11:25.

[nemirn]

@polishclark

Thanks man. Holy shit, how could someone have such a terrible concept of numbers....?!

[UsmanHIbrahim]

Shut up with special on pizza prices ...9-9-9

[scepticsteve]

Inflation is not the problem why tuition cost got up that much. Inflation will get bad eventually, but education has a seperate problem of government policies. You can't just use one cause for everything.

[greenerspark]

Dr Ron Paul is the only canidate that answers the question that are asked. Listen to what he says. Not any other canidate can even think for themselves.

Cain 999- Romney- all about Obama care(which he co-wrote)Perry-He's just lost

[xinecallaw]

I know, thats why its hard to watch these things, its as if there is a language barrier. It would be nice if they would put forth some effort in answering the question and not choosing the 'rehearsed talking point' that best fits the subject of the question. Its humiliating to see this lack of english comprehension by our political leaders. Ron Paul is the only one who gives actual answers.